March 31, 2025 • 39 mins
In this episode, we dive into the world of cosmetic treatments, why men are getting dragged in by their partners but keep coming back for more.
We explore the pressure on celebrities to always look flawless, how it’s literally their job to do so, and why figures like Pamela Anderson are pushing back and embracing authenticity.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Every day brings a new story. The life isn't perfect,
but it's perfectly ours, with raw conversations, inspiring stories and
laugh until you cry moments we hit them. I'm pack
it all and figure it out together, one episode at
a time. This is Life as we know It, unfiltered
with Tony Tanalia and Lisa Cameron.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Our special guest is doctor Sabrina Campbell. Now she is
a general practitioner, but she also specializes in cosmetic procedures.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
So, Sabrina, do you just look at everyone and go,
oh my god, they've had that done, they've had this done?
Can you just tell straight away?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Usually I don't try and kind of like dissect everybody,
otherwise my brain will be busy all the time. Usually,
if I have somebody like in my room, you know,
I'd really kind of step down and say that let's
really look at the faces, look at everything, what the
things that kind of bother you the most, and let's
talk about all the different therapies and treatments that we
can't offer that can really make those improvements. And often
I rely on a lot of before and after pictures
(01:07):
because a lot of people can't visualize what things will
look like and they may not be able to pipe
to themselves, and especially for somebody doing it for the
first time, the impression may not be a good one.
That may be like, oh my gosh, I see terrible
cheeks and I see terrible lips. I don't want to
look like that. And it's really just kind of exposing
them to positive experiences and positive before and afters, and
that's what can be quite encouraging. So so I want
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ever really jump in and be like, oh, I can
fix this, and you should do X, Y and Z.
It really comes down to is kind of concerning for
the person, and that's how we kind of move forward.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So I was going to say, so, if you look
at my face, can you say I have protection anyway?
Doesn't look like I've done.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I mean, it looks like you take care of your skin,
which is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Good looking at my face? What would you say done?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Should I get done? If you want me to, let
me know and we can talk about it, ETW. She'd
be like, let me tell you we should do this
and then do this and do that, and that's wine.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
No, she doesn't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That's just if I'm going to have something very well,
I'll just put this strips, So what about my skin, Like,
what would you recommend?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I mean, I I always love the things that I
recommend for Tony, So it's good for all individuals. So
kind of micro needling is great because it's a way
of it's also known as collagen induction therapy, and it's collagen.
That's what it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Is.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It's collagen. It's collagen what we're stimulating exactly, that's it.
So so usually collagen is great. So collagen is what
kind of gives if you look at like a beautiful
baby skin, it's like nice and bouncy. Yeah, And so
that that's kind of high level of collagen in the
skin and high levels of blesting. This is what makes
the skin tight. If you kind of pinched cheek of
a little baby, it just bounces back what we like.
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And as we get older, we lose these levels of
collagen and lesting. So really what we're trying to do
is preserve that. So so things like Mike needling and
PROFILEO aim at kind of reversing those kind of depleted stores.
So we want to try and stimulate your your natural
collagen and elastin so that improved skin quality. And then
if we get any type of lines. The lines, you know,
expression line tells us where you know, we're happy, we're
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doing everything, or the frowns people are making us a
matter too much. But yeah, essentially, if we have lines
when we're not expressing, that tells us that this muscle
is working over time. Now, you were still using those
muscles twenty thirty years ago, but the skin was more
robust that when you did round, it didn't leave behind
kind of acrease, and so that tells us It's all
about skin quality. So when people are thinking about botos,
(03:36):
they think, oh, yeah, botox eraises the line. It gives
us a little bit of respite, so you're not creasing
the skin, but the skin is creasing now before than
it did when we were in our twenties. So really,
skin quality is the problem. The reason why we have
lines is because our skin quality has depleted, it has
been compromised. So by improving the skin quality, then you
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don't necessarily need to be using botox as much because
when you do frown, even if the muscle contracts and
it creases, the skin bounces back. So that's why you
got you know, rather than kind of chasing and doing boatocks,
every three months. It's like we're just chasing actually to
the we're looking after the skin. There you go, and
the skin means that you can go longer and look
over your boto. So so yr skin quality is really important.
(04:18):
That might be need link good skin care, so doing
it at home as well, like all these things are
really important.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Micro needling Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I honestly I love the micro and Lamb does it hurt? No,
It's like little needles.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And it comes with vibrations overalls. Very I want to.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Say it's like getting a tattoo, but I've never had one,
so I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Oh I think I haven't never had a tattoo either,
but yeah, I've heard his tattoo is a bit more intense.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, a bit more painful. Like Lamb has had micro needling, Yeah,
my son, because Lamb's issues are lines on his face.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Now, Lamb's only nineteen and Sabrina has actually prescribed like
a night cream for in yeah, metal grade cream, yeah,
topical treatment yeah yeah yeah, but for him, he's got
this thing about the lines on his face, and so
we had a micro edity. Yeah, I probably need to
book them back down Sunday.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You're sted in doing that the micro needle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
But here's the thing. Okay, so we're talking about, you know,
botox and all these treatments that you would just automatically
assume for women in their forties and fifties. But he's
my nineteen year old son getting a skin treatment done.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's not getting.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Botox and fillers exactly, but he's.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Looking at, you know, something else for someone who you
know is a little conscious of what his skin is
doing right now.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Okay, so you did say there's a lot of young
people coming in. Are there a lot of men coming in?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yes? Usually they're they're kind of dragged in by their partners.
Oh really absolutely, I'll have you know. Wives and girlfriends
been like, oh I hate this line, and he just
won't do anything about it, and she would just keep
working on him for a while, like I booked him
an appointment, and they come in a little bit sheepishly
just like oh yeah, she dragged me in. They love it.
They love it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Oh okay, so yeah, so that they're giving you the
impression they don't.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Get next, how I.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Feel if a partner said to me, you know, just
that little wrinkle there. If you just got that done,
it would be better. I'd be like, I'm the misstep
would have.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
A way of kind of like subtly like dropping hands,
just like doing that. You're still happy with that, and
they're just like slowly slowly picking it. And then they'll
be like, you know that you can do something about
like do you want to just give it a try?
Just give it a try, just give it And.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I just think it's their idea, but it's.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Not absolutely and just like, do you know what, let's
just try it, but they are curious and then yeah,
they they'll be like, oh, yeah, I'm here now. Yeah,
and they get it done. They see the results and
they're just like.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So do they they want to come back and get
more done like in other areas or just still the
same thing.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I would say for men mainly it depends so so
men when they do start to kind of engage in
this world, it tends to be just kind of like
antiprinkle things. So very rarely will say do my lips
and get my nose done in my jaws. Like men
age a little bit differently than women as well, So
you know, men age like fine wine, Okay, when you're finished,
I'm gonna make Okay, Yeah, absolutely, but it's definitely more
(07:05):
acceptable for sure. But I would say so, for example,
because women's face is a little bit more delicate and
their skin is thinner than men's. Those lines and kind
of like the sagging everything is a lot more obvious
in women at a younger age than men, So you
won't really see kind of a fifty year old man
they're sorttly sagging. You know. Yes, they may start to
have like four headlines and brown lines, but because their
skin is thicker, you know, they don't tend to have
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kind of those obvious aging signs very late on in life.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, right, okay, so on that Okay, So maybe the
women are aging better because they're getting work done. But
I'm forty seven single. I've been on you know, the
dating apps, and I'm not on there anymore. I had
enough after a week. That was too much. But most
of them, it does, it does my head, But most
(07:53):
of the men they look I look like potatoes.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Top with their face or their body. It's a whole thing,
very one big thinking like this.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Right in Ireland, I said to Lisa, there's two types
of men. They either look at potatoes or they're like
the gods right and in between. This is an So
we were not long ago. We were a couple of
years ago. Now we were at was it the cheese Lobberry.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
The Cheesel Festival? You've about the potatoes.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, And I said to Lisa, said, I gave her
that theory sore. There ere the potatoes or they look
great and we're looking around. She just couldn't stop laughing
because they were good ones.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Just two categories.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So there's lots of potatoes on there.
And it just starts from the head because they've lost
all their hair, and then it just goes all around
and I'm like, what is this all? They look like alcoholics.
Their skins really red and you know you can see that.
So anyway, my sister, I said to her, look, this
is doing my heading. Can you get on and help me.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Look through this?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And she's like, yeah, no, where is And she's scrawling
through and she's like, oh, oh looking good, slim pickings here?
What's going on? And I said, the peak age for
hotness in men is thirty seven. All the thirty seven
year olds, Oh my god, the thirty seven year olds peak.
You see them and you're like, oh my god, sit.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Just change the age now to just say thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I had to stop because I'm like, it's not going
to happen.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I need to let this guy.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
At least, there's only ten years for you. For me,
we're talking to twenty. I haven't had kids.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I can't be with someone who hasn't had kids and
then they think they might want to have them.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Okay, Okay, So then I changed it to all right,
let's just go with forty to fifty five, and we're
back to potatoes.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
It's rough, it's hard. I think it depends on the
pool of individuals that you have. I mean, if you
were to say, go to Sydney and if you were
like in the hip area of Sydney, there are these
kind of like late forty fifty year olds who are
still kind of like beach bum and they're trying to
live their best lives and kind of meeting along stage.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I mean, Sydney this tomorrow, I'm going up tomorrow night.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
It definitely comes down to demographic for sure. I mean,
if you were to say go to Monaco and kind
of you know, see what the co call look like
there that may be a little bit different. So we're
in the long Country neighborhood beasts as well.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So Melbourne needs to lift, Melbourne men need to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Maybe I think I think that's that that should be
the campaign to be like Melbourne men step up, up,
do something.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I do feel for them because I imagine the women that
are on there, you know, gorgeous and you know, we
can do things. We can fix our hair and we've
got hair, we do make up as well, and we're
a little bit better at taking photos. And I look
at the men and I'm like, you know, like they've
(10:57):
got their fishing rod and.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
The gosh, yeah, it's like, oh yeah, dining pool is
not good.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Slimp slim pickings. I think that comes down to really
the entitlement of men. Like the most average five out
of ten man thinks that he deserves a ten out
of ten women. Yeah, so women know that they're competing
in a pool of like other women, so that's you know,
they'll do their best to try and present themselves the
best they can. Men of every caliber just assume that
(11:29):
they should be with the ten.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Oh my god, that just gave me goosebumps in because
that's that's exactly what I think is going on.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Why am I trying? I'm the man, so like, yeah,
I assume it if I approach a ten to ten
is interested in me. Okay, I think.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You're spot on because I look at the photos and
I'm thinking, why are you not trying at all? Yeah,
but it's the girls working so they can be chased
by the men.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
And then that's what's I think. I mean, I don't
know much about kind of like the social world of dating,
but I think really the men who match, like the
top fivele ten percent of men who match, like most
women pick the top five ten percent, they're not interested
in anything lower than that, cause it's like potato. It's actually,
you know, every if if you think one hundred women
are looking after looking at for that one good looking
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thirty seven year old, you know, and then if he's
getting all that attentions like yeah, you know, I'm the alphas,
you know, I'm getting all the matches, and then kind
of like the potatoes just kind of like just see
what they can get. They're like, okay, I'll take the
second strings.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Right. I've talked to men and they'll be like, you know,
how you going on bumble and it's like it's overwhelming
and they're, Okay, how are you going there? I've had
one person flicking my finger and I'm like, yeah, because
your photos like you're not trying.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
They need women in their lacking like step up. This
is not how you present yourself. If they had sisters
and mothers who cared, then you know they'll say kind
of do more, do more.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Sobrina, I want to talk to you about the celebrity
world and the image that is being poor trade that
leave the rest of us think what the hell is
wrong with me? And we had this discussion as well,
because I think when I brought this up with you,
I was just so over my weight and it was
doing my head in. And Jennifer Aniston had just done
(13:12):
this magazine shot. Jennifer Aniston is my age, give or
take a year, and she'd done this photo shoot on
this magazine and I looked at that and went, how
is it you look like that? And I look like this, yeah,
and like, IK, the problem we have is that that
you know, that image is what we're seeing and it
doesn't help how we feel about ourselves.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, it can have a massive, massive impact. I think currently,
I think that's getting better. Jennifer Aniston is you know,
she she's not had children, and you know it's her
job to look good. So you know she will pay
for you know, someone who does her nutrition, and she
has a trainer and she may train, you know, twice
twice a day. Her job is look good. She doesn't
look good, she doesn't get paid, and she becomes irrelevant.
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And so when that's if that's your income and that's
your relevance, then you know you will suffer for it.
You know, I don't think she's having a good time
eating pizzas and having a beer and just living life.
You know, she cares about what she looks like. And
that's a different type of kind of prison and the
world to be in where you know, if she just
has an off day, everyone will jump on top of it.
They're just like, well, why do you look like that?
Did you see Jennifer Aniston? She had gray hairs, her
(14:17):
roots were gray, and you know, they would jump on
top of that. And that's that's a hard world to
keep up with where you just can't be yourself. And
so a lot of celebrities, you know, although we may
look at awe in them and say that they're amazing,
like look how good they are. And she's got you know,
Jlo has kind of like six you know, six pack
and she's got abs and yeah, it's like great, but
at what cost, you know? And so now we're starting
(14:38):
to see her once once upon a time, they're there.
They're still there. We still have absay under all the
roles of like it's a age push, it's fine the
X ray vision. So yeah, so we're seeing a lot
more celebrity women actually just being themselves where they're not
kind of falling down that rabbit hole. And I think
people like Pamela Anderson is a great example that goes
(15:00):
out not wearing makeup. She's decided to step away from
the one and to say, look, this is who I am.
And that's the type of freedom. And so unfortunately women
whether they've been models or they've been actors, actresses, whatever,
they make the choice to either stay confined into that
and they will just be miserable forever. Well they just say,
look this is who I am. Now guess what. You'll
see my gray hairs, you'll see my jowls, you'll see
(15:22):
my lines. But that's who I want to be. I
don't want to keep chasing something that I'm not, so
I think it's becoming more acceptable, and so you know,
we will see more realistic fifty sixty seventy year olds,
but really, more than anything, you'll just see them looking
after themselves. Even if you look at Courtney Cox, you
know she's I'm not saying that she's never had treatment,
but I think she's not one who's tried to kind
(15:45):
of just completely reverse aging and go too far. You
know a good example of someone who did that was
Demi Moore, Like she went too far at some point,
She's found a middle ground. She said, She's had a
lot of work done, but you know she found her
middle gram. You know, this is what happens when you
go down that rabbit hole and you just do too much.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Nicole Kidman at the moment too, Like I saw on
the Cole Kidman like a picture of something not long ago,
and I went, oh my god, that's that's not the
col And I mean she's a beautiful woman, she is, yeah,
but it was almost like just with that little bit
too far, yeah, with her treatments. Interesting you brought up, though,
Courtney Cox because I used to watch Cougartown. When she
was on that it was almost like someone had grabbed
the you know, the outskirts of her face and pulled
(16:21):
it right back.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah, and she looks very unnatural and it just looks
really odd yeh. And it's funny balanced. So you know,
it's mainly because they get completely within their own heads
of just like, Okay, guess what I'm competing with, you know,
someone fifteen twenty years younger than me, and yeah, and
that's a hard industry to be in. Yeah, and always
being critiqued, and women kind of being critiqued, you know,
at every stage in their life, and at some point,
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you know, women will be like, guess what, I don't care,
like I want to be free. And I think now
that's what we're seeing, you know, a women going to
feel like it's okay to be critiqued in it as
a teenager in your twenties and your thirties and your forties,
when can you just be yourself? When?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, I mean, do you know the actress Millie Bobby Brown, Yes, yeah,
so she going through this at the moment, and she
put up a post on her Instagram page and she's
only in her twenties, but she is being harassed about
the way that she looks and that she's not aging well.
And she called out all these journalists who have written
articles about her, and she just said, you just need
(17:17):
to stop. She said, you need to let women age
in the way that they want to age. I'm only
in my twenties and to be called out about it
now that it's not good enough. And she said, I'm
pretty sure that all you journalists would be also the
ones that's speaking up for women's rights and letting them
be free and letting them live how they want.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yet you're actually it's a clickbeat. People will kick it.
They're just like yeah, yeah, okay, who are we tearing
apart now? So, you know, on one side they'll be like, yeah,
women's rights, freedom, don't tell women what to do, autonomy,
And the other time they'll be like, guess what did
you see how someone so looked. Yeah, you know, they'll
be quick to jump on a celebrity that's gained weight
or you know, they don't go out presenting themselves a
(17:58):
certain way, and it's just you know, that's going to
be really hard to break because it's just entertainment for
a lot of people, and it sells magazines in it
and it gets clickbait on Instagram and all these other
different social media posts. So yeah, you know, we're not
close enough to kind of just letting people be who
they are and let women be women and not comment
(18:19):
on their bodies. But you know, but now that is
what entertainment is. Yeah, yeah, critiquing.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I read on your page, Sabrina that you're appreciative of
natural beauty and you really strive to and you've just
talked about this as well, you know, just enhance that
natural beauty. But I'm really curious to know what does
beauty mean to you or what does being beautiful mean
to you.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I really do think it comes from inside first, absolutely,
and I think when you see somebody who is truly
confident in who they are and what they see, almost
that radiates from them. You know, you can have the
most beautiful person and if there's a lot of insecurity
and doubt or just kind of negativity, there's always just
like this aura attached to them. So I think beauty,
and especially when we attach it to the medical side
(19:02):
of aesthetics, it's kind of helping bring that out or
doing the things that will help bring us to that
point of acceptance and feeling good, you know, being able
to step out head held high, you know, knowing that
we've done everything we can to take care of ourselfs.
So I think, you know, really, especially when I talk
about kind of like bringing out the natural sthetic, it
really it goes a little bit deeper about self care
because I do find a lot of particularly women will
(19:25):
burn themselves out, you know, they will give everything to
everybody else, and then there's this guilt that attaches to Okay,
do I make time for myself? And I do that,
and so so women are more prone to kind of
let themselves go and not even thinking about what they want.
And really it's just saying it's okay to prioritize yourself
because guess what, when you're feeling the best in your
the best version of yourself, everyone else benefits from as well.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Like you've you've sort of gone through this process with
me with my menopause, because every time I came in
to say, I've got a new story to tell, interesting
to know, and I don't think that I've seen you
since this has happened. No longer taking anything for menopause.
I'm not getting the hot flushes, like I'm back to normal.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Now the weight is something obviously I now need to
work on, you know, because obviously my hormones are still
nuts or whatever's going on with them. But I'm not
going through that stage anymore. But when I was sort
of going through that process and we're just just talking
about you know, self care, self love, you know, accepting
where you're at in your life and that sort of stuff.
For me, it took me ages to accept the fact
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that I was no longer a size ten, you know,
and then my weight creeped up a little bit and
I was a twelve. But when I started to get
to a fourteen and in some cases depending on the
clothes of sixteen, I was like no, and I would
refuse to buy clothes in that size because I'm like, no,
that's not me, and I would still buy the size
that I wasn't and simplic way is not fitting me.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Is literally took.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Me years to finally get to that point of acceptance
and go, well, this is where I am. Yeah, and
do you know what, I want to feel comfortable in
what I'm wearing. I don't want to be sitting there going,
oh my God, this is so tired.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I like I'm about to explode out of it.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, so it's like a twofold thing. It's not just
you know, I suppose feeling good within how you look
wait wise, but that stemmed also with you know, what
I was doing with my face, how I was feeling
about it.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah, it does come hand in hand. Absolutely. I think
that acceptance is really difficult because it's you know, it's
okay to reminisce about who we once were and yeah,
kind of it's nice to look at pictures like, gosh,
that was me at eighteen and I thought I was
fat and actually know USI is eight and you know,
it's just because of like how the magazines were and
everything else like that. But it's okay to appreciate, you know,
(21:43):
beauty in every stage. So you know, especially when women
kind of have their kids and kind of their body changes.
There's all these things that happen, and rather than kind
of grasping and holding onto the past, that actually embraced
with where you're at now. It doesn't mean that that's
your final destination, but enjoy where you're at now. You
may be somewhere different in six months in a year's
time in five years time, and it comes down to
(22:05):
appreciation as well, you know, being a doctor as well.
In medicine, I see some really unfortunate issues. So you know,
I see people sadly diagnosed with cancer, and people have
really horrible accidents or you know, unfortunate diagnoses that can
be life changing. And it's only when you lose something
you realize actually, did I take it for granted? And
so we should just be happy is what we have.
(22:26):
You know, if you're able to kind of you know,
lift weights and walk and go to the gym, you know,
rather than be like, oh I've got to go to
the gym, I get to go to the gym. I
can different weights, I can do what I want to do.
I can do plats and yoga. Well, you know I
can do these things because there's a time that you
know that may not happen for everybody. And so once
we appreciate those small things, then you know, we start
we start just not beating ourselves up about it and like,
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actually be happy with where you're at because life can change,
you know, the flip of a coin.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
So do you find them being on both sides of
the scale. Being a JP and then working on the
cross medic side, like do you have people who come
in for the cosmetic work to be done and I
don't want to say they're ungrateful, but they've got some
sort of attitude. And do you do you sometimes walk
by going, man, you don't know how lucky you have it.
(23:13):
Like I've just had a patient today who I've had
to say, this is going on in your life, and
all you're worried about is that maybe I haven't put
enough in your lips or or you know, I've got
too much in your you know.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, it's interesting because usually I will dig a little
bit deeper. So even if someone presents that way, it's
coming from a certain place. So often even doing aesthetic
medicine is not about the surface. So I often do
a lot more work than just injecting. So that's why
I will invest in really talking to patients. It's like, okay,
where are we at because kind of understanding either a
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certain phase in their life or a transition, you see
where the root cause of it's like, actually, there's a
lot of other stuff going on. So by getting to
know your patients and kind of like connecting with them,
and it's kind of like therapy. Sometimes it's like what's
going on? Like how's it all going? And you can
really kind of like set and just be like, look,
this is actually what needs addressing a bit more support.
So so for most people, you know, it may be
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for sarden if they're focusing just like I want bigger
cheeks and want bigger lips, and I don't like this.
It's like, well, where is this coming from? Like have
you just gone through a breakup or are you feeling
insecure about something or you're wanting to make a transition
in your life and you think this is the way
to do it. So it's getting to the underlying root
cause really because you get that every time with me,
everyone who sits my chair gets the therapy.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You must feel like a therapy.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
It is like that, And i'd whyther if somebody feels
like that, like it's not there. Just you know, when
you go to the dentist, yes they're in your mouth,
but they go in to get a job done. They're
not really like how's your weak bit, Like they're not
really kind of engaging with that. And so this is
a space where you can get the best of both worlds,
where can say, look, how are we feeling? Like, what's
bothering you? Kind of what's what's on the rise, and
do you have a big birthday coming up or you're
worried about this, Like, oh, I've got to go to
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a friend's wedding and I'm feel a bit anxious about
that and I want to look my best. It's like
this is a way to kind of just air a
lot other stuff as well. Yeah, just so it is
kind of flake therapy as well.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Wow, I remember I used to work as a makeup
artist for Benefit Cosmetics, and yes I did.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Since the funny thing is, since Steph left the podcast,
we'll sit here and have a conversation and go, I
didn't know that about you?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That about you.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
That's the funniest thing I did.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I worked up Maya on the Benefit Cosmetics counter and
it was so much fun. And women would come in
and sit down and they want to try lipstick on,
and you know, you start helping them put their makeup
on and you're like, oh, you know it's for a
special occasion or whatever, and oh, yeah, this happened all
my boyfriend broke up with me and then.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
The tears were just blood.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, and you know, you're doing their makeup and they're
crying telling you the story, and I'm like, this is
so beautiful, like getting to know someone on this deep
level and they're doing their makeup so they feel better
about themselves and.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
To the same we have the same it's a different,
different path, And I think, to be honest, what's interesting
having done this for a while and what I see
out of it is, I guess it may be a
lack of sisterhoods. Like if we go back, maybe like
you know, seventy years, one hundred years, there was kind
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of more of a I guess a female community, you know,
not saying everyone was like lovey dovey and everything, but
sometimes when you have like a type of sisterhood, whether
that's with friendship or just community, there's that sharing and
that support. So, you know, if we go way back
in ancient times, it's like a grooming ritual where you know,
women may kind of brush each other's hair and kind
(26:37):
of do that type of maintenance, and there's a way
of connecting with that, and I think that's what's kind
of blacking, you know, And so it may be presenting
in a different way now, But actually this is what
people are craving, you know, they just want something that
kind of is unifying and you have that kind of
safe space and that connection and things like that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah. So the Consult Clinic is where I heard about
you from and again through a friend of mine, and
I follow the Consult Clinic on Instagram. Yeah, and what
I love the examples that get put up and it's
like it might be a story about a particular person
who's just gone way over the top with treatments that
(27:17):
they've had done and then what would have worked better
for them then? So the Consult Clinic is obviously your baby.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
You're I'm a part of it, which I'm very grateful
to be part of.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, so tell us a little bit about that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
So it was started by the CEO, wonderful, wonderful woman
named Fiona Bikiting, and she has quite an interesting story
and she's very transparent. She's you know, one of the
reasons why she's so successful on the platform like Instagram
is that she's very transparent and she uses her platform
not only for education but for support and also transparency.
(27:51):
So you know, she's very upfront about kind of her
personal journey both from kind of like how she put
about her looks and different surgeries and procedures that she's had,
and she cares about, you know, other individuals being safe
and kind of like you know, she you know, I
don't want to say she's a celebrity, but she's she's
well known in certain circles. But she's not trying to
be like, oh, yeah, this is how I look at
fifty one. She'd be like, I've had a lot of
(28:12):
work done done, I've had this done. She's the first
person to be upfront about it, and she will be
the first person to say, like, this is the journey
that I had. I had good experiences, I had difficult experiences,
And I guess that's what kind of spawned her to
start a company like the Consulting Clinic, where she wanted
kind of like an ethical and positive space in the
aesthetic industry to kind of not only educate people but
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also kind of provide kind of good quality and safe
treatments as well. So so you know, she's really not
kind of financially your money driven, you know, and she
spends most of her time on the social media just
kind of talking about real things, you know, whether it's
kind of how people are critiquing celebrities, whether it's her
own personal journey. And you know, recently she's gone through
a lot of personal issues with kind of suffering with
Bell's palsy, which significantly changed her face and that's a
(28:56):
massive thing. So she has paralysis on one side of
her face now, which is getting better, but you know,
her being the face of a massive aesthetic brand, she's like,
my gosh, what does that mean? Like now I have
half a face that's melted. And she felt very insecure
and she's been very transparent about walking that journey, but
she felt it really important to share that because she's like, yes,
I hold a lot of identity into how I look
(29:17):
and overnight something happened and this is how I'm processing it.
So she's really built like a really fantastic community and
a place to you know, have good conversations on his conversations,
difficult conversations, and you know, she's she's created kind of
an international brand of clinics, which you know they're based
in the US and Europe, Australia and the UAE, Dubai
(29:41):
and yeah, it's great and it's been growing. So yeah,
it's an absolute privilege to be able to kind of
help seed you know, her vision in Australia.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
And so the consulting clinic is that right, A consultant clinic.
Consultant clinic, right, because for some reason I can think
it's consult clinic. So there's only the one clinic in Australia,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yes, I mean technically we're like, we're like a satellite clinic.
So we're not fully fully established because we opened up
in the middle of COVID. That was smart, but we
did that and especially in Melbourne when we had all
these restrictions. So you know, Fiona, I'm thought, she hasn't
had the opportunity to come to Australia, so so she's
you know, often she's the one who will come and say,
look we're going to have permanent premises and we're kind
(30:21):
of building up. So so it's it came out of demand.
So she had a massive waiting list of you know,
people from Australian New Zealand like we aren't you going
to open here? And we had patients who were flying
to the UK to get their treatments and so when
you know this we decided to open up the satellite clinic.
There was a. There was a kind of like a
nice breath of fresh air. People just like, goodness, I
don't have to make that twenty four hour trip to
(30:41):
to to London to go get my treatments out months
that people who are committed and they'll be like, I'll
fly across the while to get it done if they
want to feel safe and know that they're getting good
quality work done. So so yeah, that was worn out
of you know, high demand. You know, if you understand
(31:02):
we've been out here, you know. I met Fiona a
few years back. I mentioned to her that I'd moved
to Australia and gosh, you know there's a massive market
there and I'd seen some of the work that was
out here and I was like, yes, unfortunate. They really
could be kind of a strong presence and like making
sure that we can at least serve Australians and New
Zealanders with good quality work. And so she was like,
(31:22):
well do you want to open up? I'm like, okay,
I'll make myself available, you know, and that's how we
kind of had Consultant Clinic Melbourne, Australia born. So so
it's great, you know, even now we have people flying
into state. Most weekends I'll have someone flying in from
Sydney or Brisbane and you know, Perth and everything. I
think one of the firthst places was last month lady
(31:42):
flew in from Bali and she like she was in
just overnight. She was like, I'm flying in from Bali
and I'm flying back out Like okay, we appreciate you,
but yeah, that was her. That was her journey and
most of us, who we're not a big team, but
we're solid team and you know, we share vision in
kind of really trying to educate and do what's best
(32:03):
for the people who come to us. You know, we
want to make a good impression in.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
The industry and everybody your doctors.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, I mean doctors, lens. It's very different. So cosmetics
is like the wild wild West in the UK, thank you.
It's actually very safe here in Australia. We're very lucky.
You have to be a doctor or a nurse to
be able to practice cosmetics, and there's a lot of
regulation there with the TGA. In the UK, you could
be you know, a mechanic and be like I just
(32:29):
want inject faces. Now you can buy the product of mine.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
That was the case in Australia as well.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Technically nice, so all products are prescription only, so doctors
can kind of purchase those products, or nurses have to
have a doctor that supervises them in order to gain
access to those products. I mean, there maybe some people
who buy off the black market, but perhaps, but there's strong,
strong regulation. Even now, me saying certain product names, I
don't know if I'm allowed to say it, but OPRAA
(32:55):
have very strong restrictions with regards to advertising.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And is that a recent thing.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Or I mean it became harsher in the last maybe
eighteen months, where you know, you're not even allowed to
put before and after pictures on websites, You're not allowed
to say the brand name of products, and so you know,
there's a bit of a clash in the industry where
kind of practitioners like, well, if we can't advertise, how
do we educate and make sure people are safe? That's it.
But at the same time, you know, APPRA and the
(33:20):
TJA say, well, you shouldn't be pushing these type of products.
You know, you can't be in the medical space and
pushing like, oh you should get this and this done.
So it's a balance because in the UK, there's a
lot of I don't see complications there, thankfully because you
know trained people and I teach is why I teach
nurses and doctors cosmetic treatments and how to do it safely.
(33:40):
But in the UK, you know, the person who does
your lashes will do your bootox and injections in and
they don't do it safely.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So that was scared me, and that's why I came
to you because I know you're a doctor. I'd be
too scared to go to someone who isn't.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
And there's people who will go to the last lady
like oh it, like you'll get your money's web. And
so that's why you get these complications where black pass
get blocked and people lose the eyesight and their noses,
the falling off and lives the falling off, and you're like,
guess what, people are just pointing and shooting if you
look at something that we try and expose those kinds
of horror story.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And that's what's on Instagram. That's the sort of stuff
that I say. And you know that for me, that
just sells why it's important to see a doctor to
get it done.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
It's not about scaring people, but it's just saying, look,
this is how you do really.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yes, So what is the future of boatox is it?
Do you say that it'll be around for the next
few years? Is there another product on its way?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I mean it's an ever growing industry. It's a massive,
multi multipellion dollar industry. Is massive, and I think when
we get a medical direction, let's go in, let's get
into it that redirect. It's massive, it's not slowing down,
it's getting bigger. So it's it's the trajectory for the
next kind of twenty years is insane. If you look
at kind of like how the industry standards are looking
(34:54):
right now, the projection is this is only going to
get bigger. I think what we've known just in the
last I say, fifteen to twenty years is kind of
rather than just kind of going with this very extreme aesthetic,
is actually trying to focus on anti aging. I think
people are pulling back on these very extremely massive lips,
massive cheeks and just looking gooulish and ridiculous. I think
(35:17):
the point is, now, Okay, what is anti aging? How
do we kind of use natural remedies to kind of
find this fountain of view that everyone's looking for so Yeah,
but it's growing exponentially. Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Okay, thank you so much popping in and spending some
time with this. So interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah. I usually I've got questions. I think I asked
you too, So interesting what you're talking about? Yeah, so
thank you.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
The one thing that we do ask all our guests
to come in celebrity death, is there a celebrity who
has passed away that has impacted you or made you
go oh wow.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I think as I've gotten older, like more celebrities have passed,
but I would I'd probably say the one that impacted
me the most was the most impressionable one when I
was younger, and that was in aging myself. This was
in ninety seven and it was with Princess Diana. That
was probably the one that was very unusual. We'd had
passings in the family, so I knew what grief was
(36:15):
in bereavement, but I'd never seen grief on that scale,
like it was a massive thing that happened like that.
I remember vividly kind of hearing the news that morning
that this accident had happened in Paris, and you know,
they weren't too sure if something happened if she was
going to make it or not. And then the announcement
that she'd passed, there was this massive wave of national
(36:36):
and international grieving that I'd never really seen before, and
at that time, I couldn't quite comprehend kind of how
a lot of people couldn't know this person was so
personally touched, you know, the people who kind of really
grieved as an age everyone just grieved together. And I
think that it made a big deal because I think
she was the same age as my mum was at
(36:56):
the time, and I'm in the same age group as
Harry and William, and so it kind of like puts
you in that same position. She's just like, gosh, imagine
losing your mom at that age. So that's the one
that you know. There's many very unfortunately celebrity bit dess,
but I would say that's someone that really impacted me
the most because I'd never seen mass grief to that
extent ever before. It was very touching then, but now
(37:18):
as an adult, to see somebody who's had who didn't
necessarily meet every single person, but kind of their actions
had that impact. It just realized. It makes you realize
that as an individual, you can kind of have this
ripple effect kind of just doing something so small can
actually positively kind of impact other people. So you know,
what she did touch the world and a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, do you remember if the news of her being
in a car accident and then the news of her
death were they within a short time frame.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
They were I'm just thinking back. I think it was
within the same day they shared the news. I think
early morning, because it was the early hours of the
morning that the accident happened. They announced that an accident
had happened, and they may have known, but they didn't
announce that that she was declared deceased. So I think
later on that day, maybe in the afternoon, they made look,
(38:07):
she hasn't survived. So I don't think it was dragging
out for days. I think within a twenty four hour
period we knew an accident had happened, and there was
this question did she survive? No, she was pronounced dead,
So yeah, I think that will happened, but there was
like a lot of it was tied to.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It, because I feel like in Australia, we heard she
was in an accident, and then within fifteen twenty minutes
we were told that she had died. That's why I
feel like it happened in Astralia.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I was a long Geelong accident game and Geelong and
they put up on the screen Princess Diana has been
in a crash and everyone was like, oh my god,
and then about twenty minutes later she's passed away and
the whole place was silent. I think they actually stopped
the game as well. It was the reserves game.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, thank you so much for coming in. This has
we've been I mean, like, obviously I talked to you
a lot about this stuff, but I just feel like
I've learned a whole lot more.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, and I just love that you know, this is
about people's physical appearance, but from you, I just feel
it so much deeper. And there's real soul in you,
and that's you're really caring for that in people. And
it's just made me look at cosmetic surgery in a
different way.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
So thank you. Yeah, help thank having.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Good shock you.
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Our special guest is doctor Sabrina Campbell. Now she is
a general practitioner, but she also specializes in cosmetic procedures.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
So, Sabrina, do you just look at everyone and go,
oh my god, they've had that done, they've had this done?
Can you just tell straight away?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Usually I don't try and kind of like dissect everybody,
otherwise my brain will be busy all the time. Usually,
if I have somebody like in my room, you know,
I'd really kind of step down and say that let's
really look at the faces, look at everything, what the
things that kind of bother you the most, and let's
talk about all the different therapies and treatments that we
can't offer that can really make those improvements. And often
I rely on a lot of before and after pictures
(01:07):
because a lot of people can't visualize what things will
look like and they may not be able to pipe
to themselves, and especially for somebody doing it for the
first time, the impression may not be a good one.
That may be like, oh my gosh, I see terrible
cheeks and I see terrible lips. I don't want to
look like that. And it's really just kind of exposing
them to positive experiences and positive before and afters, and
that's what can be quite encouraging. So so I want
(01:28):
ever really jump in and be like, oh, I can
fix this, and you should do X, Y and Z.
It really comes down to is kind of concerning for
the person, and that's how we kind of move forward.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So I was going to say, so, if you look
at my face, can you say I have protection anyway?
Doesn't look like I've done.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I mean, it looks like you take care of your skin,
which is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Good looking at my face? What would you say done?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Should I get done? If you want me to, let
me know and we can talk about it, ETW. She'd
be like, let me tell you we should do this
and then do this and do that, and that's wine.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
No, she doesn't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
That's just if I'm going to have something very well,
I'll just put this strips, So what about my skin, Like,
what would you recommend?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I mean, I I always love the things that I
recommend for Tony, So it's good for all individuals. So
kind of micro needling is great because it's a way
of it's also known as collagen induction therapy, and it's collagen.
That's what it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Is.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It's collagen. It's collagen what we're stimulating exactly, that's it.
So so usually collagen is great. So collagen is what
kind of gives if you look at like a beautiful
baby skin, it's like nice and bouncy. Yeah, And so
that that's kind of high level of collagen in the
skin and high levels of blesting. This is what makes
the skin tight. If you kind of pinched cheek of
a little baby, it just bounces back what we like.
(02:54):
And as we get older, we lose these levels of
collagen and lesting. So really what we're trying to do
is preserve that. So so things like Mike needling and
PROFILEO aim at kind of reversing those kind of depleted stores.
So we want to try and stimulate your your natural
collagen and elastin so that improved skin quality. And then
if we get any type of lines. The lines, you know,
expression line tells us where you know, we're happy, we're
(03:15):
doing everything, or the frowns people are making us a
matter too much. But yeah, essentially, if we have lines
when we're not expressing, that tells us that this muscle
is working over time. Now, you were still using those
muscles twenty thirty years ago, but the skin was more
robust that when you did round, it didn't leave behind
kind of acrease, and so that tells us It's all
about skin quality. So when people are thinking about botos,
(03:36):
they think, oh, yeah, botox eraises the line. It gives
us a little bit of respite, so you're not creasing
the skin, but the skin is creasing now before than
it did when we were in our twenties. So really,
skin quality is the problem. The reason why we have
lines is because our skin quality has depleted, it has
been compromised. So by improving the skin quality, then you
(03:57):
don't necessarily need to be using botox as much because
when you do frown, even if the muscle contracts and
it creases, the skin bounces back. So that's why you
got you know, rather than kind of chasing and doing boatocks,
every three months. It's like we're just chasing actually to
the we're looking after the skin. There you go, and
the skin means that you can go longer and look
over your boto. So so yr skin quality is really important.
(04:18):
That might be need link good skin care, so doing
it at home as well, like all these things are
really important.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Micro needling Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I honestly I love the micro and Lamb does it hurt? No,
It's like little needles.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And it comes with vibrations overalls. Very I want to.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Say it's like getting a tattoo, but I've never had one,
so I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Oh I think I haven't never had a tattoo either,
but yeah, I've heard his tattoo is a bit more intense.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, a bit more painful. Like Lamb has had micro needling, Yeah,
my son, because Lamb's issues are lines on his face.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Now, Lamb's only nineteen and Sabrina has actually prescribed like
a night cream for in yeah, metal grade cream, yeah,
topical treatment yeah yeah yeah, but for him, he's got
this thing about the lines on his face, and so
we had a micro edity. Yeah, I probably need to
book them back down Sunday.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You're sted in doing that the micro needle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
But here's the thing. Okay, so we're talking about, you know,
botox and all these treatments that you would just automatically
assume for women in their forties and fifties. But he's
my nineteen year old son getting a skin treatment done.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's not getting.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Botox and fillers exactly, but he's.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Looking at, you know, something else for someone who you
know is a little conscious of what his skin is
doing right now.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Okay, so you did say there's a lot of young
people coming in. Are there a lot of men coming in?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yes? Usually they're they're kind of dragged in by their partners.
Oh really absolutely, I'll have you know. Wives and girlfriends
been like, oh I hate this line, and he just
won't do anything about it, and she would just keep
working on him for a while, like I booked him
an appointment, and they come in a little bit sheepishly
just like oh yeah, she dragged me in. They love it.
They love it.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Oh okay, so yeah, so that they're giving you the
impression they don't.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Get next, how I.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Feel if a partner said to me, you know, just
that little wrinkle there. If you just got that done,
it would be better. I'd be like, I'm the misstep
would have.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
A way of kind of like subtly like dropping hands,
just like doing that. You're still happy with that, and
they're just like slowly slowly picking it. And then they'll
be like, you know that you can do something about
like do you want to just give it a try?
Just give it a try, just give it And.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I just think it's their idea, but it's.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Not absolutely and just like, do you know what, let's
just try it, but they are curious and then yeah,
they they'll be like, oh, yeah, I'm here now. Yeah,
and they get it done. They see the results and
they're just like.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
So do they they want to come back and get
more done like in other areas or just still the
same thing.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I would say for men mainly it depends so so
men when they do start to kind of engage in
this world, it tends to be just kind of like
antiprinkle things. So very rarely will say do my lips
and get my nose done in my jaws. Like men
age a little bit differently than women as well, So
you know, men age like fine wine, Okay, when you're finished,
I'm gonna make Okay, Yeah, absolutely, but it's definitely more
(07:05):
acceptable for sure. But I would say so, for example,
because women's face is a little bit more delicate and
their skin is thinner than men's. Those lines and kind
of like the sagging everything is a lot more obvious
in women at a younger age than men, So you
won't really see kind of a fifty year old man
they're sorttly sagging. You know. Yes, they may start to
have like four headlines and brown lines, but because their
skin is thicker, you know, they don't tend to have
(07:28):
kind of those obvious aging signs very late on in life.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, right, okay, so on that Okay, So maybe the
women are aging better because they're getting work done. But
I'm forty seven single. I've been on you know, the
dating apps, and I'm not on there anymore. I had
enough after a week. That was too much. But most
of them, it does, it does my head, But most
(07:53):
of the men they look I look like potatoes.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Top with their face or their body. It's a whole thing,
very one big thinking like this.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Right in Ireland, I said to Lisa, there's two types
of men. They either look at potatoes or they're like
the gods right and in between. This is an So
we were not long ago. We were a couple of
years ago. Now we were at was it the cheese Lobberry.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
The Cheesel Festival? You've about the potatoes.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, And I said to Lisa, said, I gave her
that theory sore. There ere the potatoes or they look
great and we're looking around. She just couldn't stop laughing
because they were good ones.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Just two categories.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So there's lots of potatoes on there.
And it just starts from the head because they've lost
all their hair, and then it just goes all around
and I'm like, what is this all? They look like alcoholics.
Their skins really red and you know you can see that.
So anyway, my sister, I said to her, look, this
is doing my heading. Can you get on and help me.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Look through this?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And she's like, yeah, no, where is And she's scrawling
through and she's like, oh, oh looking good, slim pickings here?
What's going on? And I said, the peak age for
hotness in men is thirty seven. All the thirty seven
year olds, Oh my god, the thirty seven year olds peak.
You see them and you're like, oh my god, sit.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Just change the age now to just say thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I had to stop because I'm like, it's not going
to happen.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
I need to let this guy.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
At least, there's only ten years for you. For me,
we're talking to twenty. I haven't had kids.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I can't be with someone who hasn't had kids and
then they think they might want to have them.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Okay, Okay, So then I changed it to all right,
let's just go with forty to fifty five, and we're
back to potatoes.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
It's rough, it's hard. I think it depends on the
pool of individuals that you have. I mean, if you
were to say, go to Sydney and if you were
like in the hip area of Sydney, there are these
kind of like late forty fifty year olds who are
still kind of like beach bum and they're trying to
live their best lives and kind of meeting along stage.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I mean, Sydney this tomorrow, I'm going up tomorrow night.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
It definitely comes down to demographic for sure. I mean,
if you were to say go to Monaco and kind
of you know, see what the co call look like
there that may be a little bit different. So we're
in the long Country neighborhood beasts as well.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So Melbourne needs to lift, Melbourne men need to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Maybe I think I think that's that that should be
the campaign to be like Melbourne men step up, up,
do something.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I do feel for them because I imagine the women that
are on there, you know, gorgeous and you know, we
can do things. We can fix our hair and we've
got hair, we do make up as well, and we're
a little bit better at taking photos. And I look
at the men and I'm like, you know, like they've
(10:57):
got their fishing rod and.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
The gosh, yeah, it's like, oh yeah, dining pool is
not good.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Slimp slim pickings. I think that comes down to really
the entitlement of men. Like the most average five out
of ten man thinks that he deserves a ten out
of ten women. Yeah, so women know that they're competing
in a pool of like other women, so that's you know,
they'll do their best to try and present themselves the
best they can. Men of every caliber just assume that
(11:29):
they should be with the ten.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Oh my god, that just gave me goosebumps in because
that's that's exactly what I think is going on.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Why am I trying? I'm the man, so like, yeah,
I assume it if I approach a ten to ten
is interested in me. Okay, I think.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You're spot on because I look at the photos and
I'm thinking, why are you not trying at all? Yeah,
but it's the girls working so they can be chased
by the men.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
And then that's what's I think. I mean, I don't
know much about kind of like the social world of dating,
but I think really the men who match, like the
top fivele ten percent of men who match, like most
women pick the top five ten percent, they're not interested
in anything lower than that, cause it's like potato. It's actually,
you know, every if if you think one hundred women
are looking after looking at for that one good looking
(12:14):
thirty seven year old, you know, and then if he's
getting all that attentions like yeah, you know, I'm the alphas,
you know, I'm getting all the matches, and then kind
of like the potatoes just kind of like just see
what they can get. They're like, okay, I'll take the
second strings.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Right. I've talked to men and they'll be like, you know,
how you going on bumble and it's like it's overwhelming
and they're, Okay, how are you going there? I've had
one person flicking my finger and I'm like, yeah, because
your photos like you're not trying.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
They need women in their lacking like step up. This
is not how you present yourself. If they had sisters
and mothers who cared, then you know they'll say kind
of do more, do more.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Sobrina, I want to talk to you about the celebrity
world and the image that is being poor trade that
leave the rest of us think what the hell is
wrong with me? And we had this discussion as well,
because I think when I brought this up with you,
I was just so over my weight and it was
doing my head in. And Jennifer Aniston had just done
(13:12):
this magazine shot. Jennifer Aniston is my age, give or
take a year, and she'd done this photo shoot on
this magazine and I looked at that and went, how
is it you look like that? And I look like this, yeah,
and like, IK, the problem we have is that that
you know, that image is what we're seeing and it
doesn't help how we feel about ourselves.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, it can have a massive, massive impact. I think currently,
I think that's getting better. Jennifer Aniston is you know,
she she's not had children, and you know it's her
job to look good. So you know she will pay
for you know, someone who does her nutrition, and she
has a trainer and she may train, you know, twice
twice a day. Her job is look good. She doesn't
look good, she doesn't get paid, and she becomes irrelevant.
(13:55):
And so when that's if that's your income and that's
your relevance, then you know you will suffer for it.
You know, I don't think she's having a good time
eating pizzas and having a beer and just living life.
You know, she cares about what she looks like. And
that's a different type of kind of prison and the
world to be in where you know, if she just
has an off day, everyone will jump on top of it.
They're just like, well, why do you look like that?
Did you see Jennifer Aniston? She had gray hairs, her
(14:17):
roots were gray, and you know, they would jump on
top of that. And that's that's a hard world to
keep up with where you just can't be yourself. And
so a lot of celebrities, you know, although we may
look at awe in them and say that they're amazing,
like look how good they are. And she's got you know,
Jlo has kind of like six you know, six pack
and she's got abs and yeah, it's like great, but
at what cost, you know? And so now we're starting
(14:38):
to see her once once upon a time, they're there.
They're still there. We still have absay under all the
roles of like it's a age push, it's fine the
X ray vision. So yeah, so we're seeing a lot
more celebrity women actually just being themselves where they're not
kind of falling down that rabbit hole. And I think
people like Pamela Anderson is a great example that goes
(15:00):
out not wearing makeup. She's decided to step away from
the one and to say, look, this is who I am.
And that's the type of freedom. And so unfortunately women
whether they've been models or they've been actors, actresses, whatever,
they make the choice to either stay confined into that
and they will just be miserable forever. Well they just say,
look this is who I am. Now guess what. You'll
see my gray hairs, you'll see my jowls, you'll see
(15:22):
my lines. But that's who I want to be. I
don't want to keep chasing something that I'm not, so
I think it's becoming more acceptable, and so you know,
we will see more realistic fifty sixty seventy year olds,
but really, more than anything, you'll just see them looking
after themselves. Even if you look at Courtney Cox, you
know she's I'm not saying that she's never had treatment,
but I think she's not one who's tried to kind
(15:45):
of just completely reverse aging and go too far. You
know a good example of someone who did that was
Demi Moore, Like she went too far at some point,
She's found a middle ground. She said, She's had a
lot of work done, but you know she found her
middle gram. You know, this is what happens when you
go down that rabbit hole and you just do too much.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Nicole Kidman at the moment too, Like I saw on
the Cole Kidman like a picture of something not long ago,
and I went, oh my god, that's that's not the
col And I mean she's a beautiful woman, she is, yeah,
but it was almost like just with that little bit
too far, yeah, with her treatments. Interesting you brought up, though,
Courtney Cox because I used to watch Cougartown. When she
was on that it was almost like someone had grabbed
the you know, the outskirts of her face and pulled
(16:21):
it right back.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah, and she looks very unnatural and it just looks
really odd yeh. And it's funny balanced. So you know,
it's mainly because they get completely within their own heads
of just like, Okay, guess what I'm competing with, you know,
someone fifteen twenty years younger than me, and yeah, and
that's a hard industry to be in. Yeah, and always
being critiqued, and women kind of being critiqued, you know,
at every stage in their life, and at some point,
(16:43):
you know, women will be like, guess what, I don't care,
like I want to be free. And I think now
that's what we're seeing, you know, a women going to
feel like it's okay to be critiqued in it as
a teenager in your twenties and your thirties and your forties,
when can you just be yourself? When?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, I mean, do you know the actress Millie Bobby Brown, Yes, yeah,
so she going through this at the moment, and she
put up a post on her Instagram page and she's
only in her twenties, but she is being harassed about
the way that she looks and that she's not aging well.
And she called out all these journalists who have written
articles about her, and she just said, you just need
(17:17):
to stop. She said, you need to let women age
in the way that they want to age. I'm only
in my twenties and to be called out about it
now that it's not good enough. And she said, I'm
pretty sure that all you journalists would be also the
ones that's speaking up for women's rights and letting them
be free and letting them live how they want.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yet you're actually it's a clickbeat. People will kick it.
They're just like yeah, yeah, okay, who are we tearing
apart now? So, you know, on one side they'll be like, yeah,
women's rights, freedom, don't tell women what to do, autonomy,
And the other time they'll be like, guess what did
you see how someone so looked. Yeah, you know, they'll
be quick to jump on a celebrity that's gained weight
or you know, they don't go out presenting themselves a
(17:58):
certain way, and it's just you know, that's going to
be really hard to break because it's just entertainment for
a lot of people, and it sells magazines in it
and it gets clickbait on Instagram and all these other
different social media posts. So yeah, you know, we're not
close enough to kind of just letting people be who
they are and let women be women and not comment
(18:19):
on their bodies. But you know, but now that is
what entertainment is. Yeah, yeah, critiquing.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I read on your page, Sabrina that you're appreciative of
natural beauty and you really strive to and you've just
talked about this as well, you know, just enhance that
natural beauty. But I'm really curious to know what does
beauty mean to you or what does being beautiful mean
to you.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I really do think it comes from inside first, absolutely,
and I think when you see somebody who is truly
confident in who they are and what they see, almost
that radiates from them. You know, you can have the
most beautiful person and if there's a lot of insecurity
and doubt or just kind of negativity, there's always just
like this aura attached to them. So I think beauty,
and especially when we attach it to the medical side
(19:02):
of aesthetics, it's kind of helping bring that out or
doing the things that will help bring us to that
point of acceptance and feeling good, you know, being able
to step out head held high, you know, knowing that
we've done everything we can to take care of ourselfs.
So I think, you know, really, especially when I talk
about kind of like bringing out the natural sthetic, it
really it goes a little bit deeper about self care
because I do find a lot of particularly women will
(19:25):
burn themselves out, you know, they will give everything to
everybody else, and then there's this guilt that attaches to Okay,
do I make time for myself? And I do that,
and so so women are more prone to kind of
let themselves go and not even thinking about what they want.
And really it's just saying it's okay to prioritize yourself
because guess what, when you're feeling the best in your
the best version of yourself, everyone else benefits from as well.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Like you've you've sort of gone through this process with
me with my menopause, because every time I came in
to say, I've got a new story to tell, interesting
to know, and I don't think that I've seen you
since this has happened. No longer taking anything for menopause.
I'm not getting the hot flushes, like I'm back to normal.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Now the weight is something obviously I now need to
work on, you know, because obviously my hormones are still
nuts or whatever's going on with them. But I'm not
going through that stage anymore. But when I was sort
of going through that process and we're just just talking
about you know, self care, self love, you know, accepting
where you're at in your life and that sort of stuff.
For me, it took me ages to accept the fact
(20:30):
that I was no longer a size ten, you know,
and then my weight creeped up a little bit and
I was a twelve. But when I started to get
to a fourteen and in some cases depending on the
clothes of sixteen, I was like no, and I would
refuse to buy clothes in that size because I'm like, no,
that's not me, and I would still buy the size
that I wasn't and simplic way is not fitting me.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Is literally took.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Me years to finally get to that point of acceptance
and go, well, this is where I am. Yeah, and
do you know what, I want to feel comfortable in
what I'm wearing. I don't want to be sitting there going,
oh my God, this is so tired.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I like I'm about to explode out of it.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, so it's like a twofold thing. It's not just
you know, I suppose feeling good within how you look
wait wise, but that stemmed also with you know, what
I was doing with my face, how I was feeling
about it.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah, it does come hand in hand. Absolutely. I think
that acceptance is really difficult because it's you know, it's
okay to reminisce about who we once were and yeah,
kind of it's nice to look at pictures like, gosh,
that was me at eighteen and I thought I was
fat and actually know USI is eight and you know,
it's just because of like how the magazines were and
everything else like that. But it's okay to appreciate, you know,
(21:43):
beauty in every stage. So you know, especially when women
kind of have their kids and kind of their body changes.
There's all these things that happen, and rather than kind
of grasping and holding onto the past, that actually embraced
with where you're at now. It doesn't mean that that's
your final destination, but enjoy where you're at now. You
may be somewhere different in six months in a year's
time in five years time, and it comes down to
(22:05):
appreciation as well, you know, being a doctor as well.
In medicine, I see some really unfortunate issues. So you know,
I see people sadly diagnosed with cancer, and people have
really horrible accidents or you know, unfortunate diagnoses that can
be life changing. And it's only when you lose something
you realize actually, did I take it for granted? And
so we should just be happy is what we have.
(22:26):
You know, if you're able to kind of you know,
lift weights and walk and go to the gym, you know,
rather than be like, oh I've got to go to
the gym, I get to go to the gym. I
can different weights, I can do what I want to do.
I can do plats and yoga. Well, you know I
can do these things because there's a time that you
know that may not happen for everybody. And so once
we appreciate those small things, then you know, we start
we start just not beating ourselves up about it and like,
(22:48):
actually be happy with where you're at because life can change,
you know, the flip of a coin.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
So do you find them being on both sides of
the scale. Being a JP and then working on the
cross medic side, like do you have people who come
in for the cosmetic work to be done and I
don't want to say they're ungrateful, but they've got some
sort of attitude. And do you do you sometimes walk
by going, man, you don't know how lucky you have it.
(23:13):
Like I've just had a patient today who I've had
to say, this is going on in your life, and
all you're worried about is that maybe I haven't put
enough in your lips or or you know, I've got
too much in your you know.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, it's interesting because usually I will dig a little
bit deeper. So even if someone presents that way, it's
coming from a certain place. So often even doing aesthetic
medicine is not about the surface. So I often do
a lot more work than just injecting. So that's why
I will invest in really talking to patients. It's like, okay,
where are we at because kind of understanding either a
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certain phase in their life or a transition, you see
where the root cause of it's like, actually, there's a
lot of other stuff going on. So by getting to
know your patients and kind of like connecting with them,
and it's kind of like therapy. Sometimes it's like what's
going on? Like how's it all going? And you can
really kind of like set and just be like, look,
this is actually what needs addressing a bit more support.
So so for most people, you know, it may be
(24:10):
for sarden if they're focusing just like I want bigger
cheeks and want bigger lips, and I don't like this.
It's like, well, where is this coming from? Like have
you just gone through a breakup or are you feeling
insecure about something or you're wanting to make a transition
in your life and you think this is the way
to do it. So it's getting to the underlying root
cause really because you get that every time with me,
everyone who sits my chair gets the therapy.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You must feel like a therapy.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
It is like that, And i'd whyther if somebody feels
like that, like it's not there. Just you know, when
you go to the dentist, yes they're in your mouth,
but they go in to get a job done. They're
not really like how's your weak bit, Like they're not
really kind of engaging with that. And so this is
a space where you can get the best of both worlds,
where can say, look, how are we feeling? Like, what's
bothering you? Kind of what's what's on the rise, and
do you have a big birthday coming up or you're
worried about this, Like, oh, I've got to go to
(24:55):
a friend's wedding and I'm feel a bit anxious about
that and I want to look my best. It's like
this is a way to kind of just air a
lot other stuff as well. Yeah, just so it is
kind of flake therapy as well.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Wow, I remember I used to work as a makeup
artist for Benefit Cosmetics, and yes I did.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Since the funny thing is, since Steph left the podcast,
we'll sit here and have a conversation and go, I
didn't know that about you?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That about you.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
That's the funniest thing I did.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I worked up Maya on the Benefit Cosmetics counter and
it was so much fun. And women would come in
and sit down and they want to try lipstick on,
and you know, you start helping them put their makeup
on and you're like, oh, you know it's for a
special occasion or whatever, and oh, yeah, this happened all
my boyfriend broke up with me and then.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
The tears were just blood.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, and you know, you're doing their makeup and they're
crying telling you the story, and I'm like, this is
so beautiful, like getting to know someone on this deep
level and they're doing their makeup so they feel better
about themselves and.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
To the same we have the same it's a different,
different path, And I think, to be honest, what's interesting
having done this for a while and what I see
out of it is, I guess it may be a
lack of sisterhoods. Like if we go back, maybe like
you know, seventy years, one hundred years, there was kind
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of more of a I guess a female community, you know,
not saying everyone was like lovey dovey and everything, but
sometimes when you have like a type of sisterhood, whether
that's with friendship or just community, there's that sharing and
that support. So, you know, if we go way back
in ancient times, it's like a grooming ritual where you know,
women may kind of brush each other's hair and kind
(26:37):
of do that type of maintenance, and there's a way
of connecting with that, and I think that's what's kind
of blacking, you know, And so it may be presenting
in a different way now, But actually this is what
people are craving, you know, they just want something that
kind of is unifying and you have that kind of
safe space and that connection and things like that.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah. So the Consult Clinic is where I heard about
you from and again through a friend of mine, and
I follow the Consult Clinic on Instagram. Yeah, and what
I love the examples that get put up and it's
like it might be a story about a particular person
who's just gone way over the top with treatments that
(27:17):
they've had done and then what would have worked better
for them then? So the Consult Clinic is obviously your baby.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
You're I'm a part of it, which I'm very grateful
to be part of.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, so tell us a little bit about that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
So it was started by the CEO, wonderful, wonderful woman
named Fiona Bikiting, and she has quite an interesting story
and she's very transparent. She's you know, one of the
reasons why she's so successful on the platform like Instagram
is that she's very transparent and she uses her platform
not only for education but for support and also transparency.
(27:51):
So you know, she's very upfront about kind of her
personal journey both from kind of like how she put
about her looks and different surgeries and procedures that she's had,
and she cares about, you know, other individuals being safe
and kind of like you know, she you know, I
don't want to say she's a celebrity, but she's she's
well known in certain circles. But she's not trying to
be like, oh, yeah, this is how I look at
fifty one. She'd be like, I've had a lot of
(28:12):
work done done, I've had this done. She's the first
person to be upfront about it, and she will be
the first person to say, like, this is the journey
that I had. I had good experiences, I had difficult experiences,
And I guess that's what kind of spawned her to
start a company like the Consulting Clinic, where she wanted
kind of like an ethical and positive space in the
aesthetic industry to kind of not only educate people but
(28:34):
also kind of provide kind of good quality and safe
treatments as well. So so you know, she's really not
kind of financially your money driven, you know, and she
spends most of her time on the social media just
kind of talking about real things, you know, whether it's
kind of how people are critiquing celebrities, whether it's her
own personal journey. And you know, recently she's gone through
a lot of personal issues with kind of suffering with
Bell's palsy, which significantly changed her face and that's a
(28:56):
massive thing. So she has paralysis on one side of
her face now, which is getting better, but you know,
her being the face of a massive aesthetic brand, she's like,
my gosh, what does that mean? Like now I have
half a face that's melted. And she felt very insecure
and she's been very transparent about walking that journey, but
she felt it really important to share that because she's like, yes,
I hold a lot of identity into how I look
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and overnight something happened and this is how I'm processing it.
So she's really built like a really fantastic community and
a place to you know, have good conversations on his conversations,
difficult conversations, and you know, she's she's created kind of
an international brand of clinics, which you know they're based
in the US and Europe, Australia and the UAE, Dubai
(29:41):
and yeah, it's great and it's been growing. So yeah,
it's an absolute privilege to be able to kind of
help seed you know, her vision in Australia.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
And so the consulting clinic is that right, A consultant clinic.
Consultant clinic, right, because for some reason I can think
it's consult clinic. So there's only the one clinic in Australia,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yes, I mean technically we're like, we're like a satellite clinic.
So we're not fully fully established because we opened up
in the middle of COVID. That was smart, but we
did that and especially in Melbourne when we had all
these restrictions. So you know, Fiona, I'm thought, she hasn't
had the opportunity to come to Australia, so so she's
you know, often she's the one who will come and say,
look we're going to have permanent premises and we're kind
(30:21):
of building up. So so it's it came out of demand.
So she had a massive waiting list of you know,
people from Australian New Zealand like we aren't you going
to open here? And we had patients who were flying
to the UK to get their treatments and so when
you know this we decided to open up the satellite clinic.
There was a. There was a kind of like a
nice breath of fresh air. People just like, goodness, I
don't have to make that twenty four hour trip to
(30:41):
to to London to go get my treatments out months
that people who are committed and they'll be like, I'll
fly across the while to get it done if they
want to feel safe and know that they're getting good
quality work done. So so yeah, that was worn out
of you know, high demand. You know, if you understand
(31:02):
we've been out here, you know. I met Fiona a
few years back. I mentioned to her that I'd moved
to Australia and gosh, you know there's a massive market
there and I'd seen some of the work that was
out here and I was like, yes, unfortunate. They really
could be kind of a strong presence and like making
sure that we can at least serve Australians and New
Zealanders with good quality work. And so she was like,
(31:22):
well do you want to open up? I'm like, okay,
I'll make myself available, you know, and that's how we
kind of had Consultant Clinic Melbourne, Australia born. So so
it's great, you know, even now we have people flying
into state. Most weekends I'll have someone flying in from
Sydney or Brisbane and you know, Perth and everything. I
think one of the firthst places was last month lady
(31:42):
flew in from Bali and she like she was in
just overnight. She was like, I'm flying in from Bali
and I'm flying back out Like okay, we appreciate you,
but yeah, that was her. That was her journey and
most of us, who we're not a big team, but
we're solid team and you know, we share vision in
kind of really trying to educate and do what's best
(32:03):
for the people who come to us. You know, we
want to make a good impression in.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
The industry and everybody your doctors.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, I mean doctors, lens. It's very different. So cosmetics
is like the wild wild West in the UK, thank you.
It's actually very safe here in Australia. We're very lucky.
You have to be a doctor or a nurse to
be able to practice cosmetics, and there's a lot of
regulation there with the TGA. In the UK, you could
be you know, a mechanic and be like I just
(32:29):
want inject faces. Now you can buy the product of mine.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
That was the case in Australia as well.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Technically nice, so all products are prescription only, so doctors
can kind of purchase those products, or nurses have to
have a doctor that supervises them in order to gain
access to those products. I mean, there maybe some people
who buy off the black market, but perhaps, but there's strong,
strong regulation. Even now, me saying certain product names, I
don't know if I'm allowed to say it, but OPRAA
(32:55):
have very strong restrictions with regards to advertising.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And is that a recent thing.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Or I mean it became harsher in the last maybe
eighteen months, where you know, you're not even allowed to
put before and after pictures on websites, You're not allowed
to say the brand name of products, and so you know,
there's a bit of a clash in the industry where
kind of practitioners like, well, if we can't advertise, how
do we educate and make sure people are safe? That's it.
But at the same time, you know, APPRA and the
(33:20):
TJA say, well, you shouldn't be pushing these type of products.
You know, you can't be in the medical space and
pushing like, oh you should get this and this done.
So it's a balance because in the UK, there's a
lot of I don't see complications there, thankfully because you
know trained people and I teach is why I teach
nurses and doctors cosmetic treatments and how to do it safely.
(33:40):
But in the UK, you know, the person who does
your lashes will do your bootox and injections in and
they don't do it safely.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So that was scared me, and that's why I came
to you because I know you're a doctor. I'd be
too scared to go to someone who isn't.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
And there's people who will go to the last lady
like oh it, like you'll get your money's web. And
so that's why you get these complications where black pass
get blocked and people lose the eyesight and their noses,
the falling off and lives the falling off, and you're like,
guess what, people are just pointing and shooting if you
look at something that we try and expose those kinds
of horror story.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And that's what's on Instagram. That's the sort of stuff
that I say. And you know that for me, that
just sells why it's important to see a doctor to
get it done.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
It's not about scaring people, but it's just saying, look,
this is how you do really.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yes, So what is the future of boatox is it?
Do you say that it'll be around for the next
few years? Is there another product on its way?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I mean it's an ever growing industry. It's a massive,
multi multipellion dollar industry. Is massive, and I think when
we get a medical direction, let's go in, let's get
into it that redirect. It's massive, it's not slowing down,
it's getting bigger. So it's it's the trajectory for the
next kind of twenty years is insane. If you look
at kind of like how the industry standards are looking
(34:54):
right now, the projection is this is only going to
get bigger. I think what we've known just in the
last I say, fifteen to twenty years is kind of
rather than just kind of going with this very extreme aesthetic,
is actually trying to focus on anti aging. I think
people are pulling back on these very extremely massive lips,
massive cheeks and just looking gooulish and ridiculous. I think
(35:17):
the point is, now, Okay, what is anti aging? How
do we kind of use natural remedies to kind of
find this fountain of view that everyone's looking for so Yeah,
but it's growing exponentially. Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Okay, thank you so much popping in and spending some
time with this. So interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah. I usually I've got questions. I think I asked
you too, So interesting what you're talking about? Yeah, so
thank you.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
The one thing that we do ask all our guests
to come in celebrity death, is there a celebrity who
has passed away that has impacted you or made you
go oh wow.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I think as I've gotten older, like more celebrities have passed,
but I would I'd probably say the one that impacted
me the most was the most impressionable one when I
was younger, and that was in aging myself. This was
in ninety seven and it was with Princess Diana. That
was probably the one that was very unusual. We'd had
passings in the family, so I knew what grief was
(36:15):
in bereavement, but I'd never seen grief on that scale,
like it was a massive thing that happened like that.
I remember vividly kind of hearing the news that morning
that this accident had happened in Paris, and you know,
they weren't too sure if something happened if she was
going to make it or not. And then the announcement
that she'd passed, there was this massive wave of national
(36:36):
and international grieving that I'd never really seen before, and
at that time, I couldn't quite comprehend kind of how
a lot of people couldn't know this person was so
personally touched, you know, the people who kind of really
grieved as an age everyone just grieved together. And I
think that it made a big deal because I think
she was the same age as my mum was at
(36:56):
the time, and I'm in the same age group as
Harry and William, and so it kind of like puts
you in that same position. She's just like, gosh, imagine
losing your mom at that age. So that's the one
that you know. There's many very unfortunately celebrity bit dess,
but I would say that's someone that really impacted me
the most because I'd never seen mass grief to that
extent ever before. It was very touching then, but now
(37:18):
as an adult, to see somebody who's had who didn't
necessarily meet every single person, but kind of their actions
had that impact. It just realized. It makes you realize
that as an individual, you can kind of have this
ripple effect kind of just doing something so small can
actually positively kind of impact other people. So you know,
what she did touch the world and a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, do you remember if the news of her being
in a car accident and then the news of her
death were they within a short time frame.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
They were I'm just thinking back. I think it was
within the same day they shared the news. I think
early morning, because it was the early hours of the
morning that the accident happened. They announced that an accident
had happened, and they may have known, but they didn't
announce that that she was declared deceased. So I think
later on that day, maybe in the afternoon, they made look,
(38:07):
she hasn't survived. So I don't think it was dragging
out for days. I think within a twenty four hour
period we knew an accident had happened, and there was
this question did she survive? No, she was pronounced dead,
So yeah, I think that will happened, but there was
like a lot of it was tied to.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It, because I feel like in Australia, we heard she
was in an accident, and then within fifteen twenty minutes
we were told that she had died. That's why I
feel like it happened in Astralia.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I was a long Geelong accident game and Geelong and
they put up on the screen Princess Diana has been
in a crash and everyone was like, oh my god,
and then about twenty minutes later she's passed away and
the whole place was silent. I think they actually stopped
the game as well. It was the reserves game.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, thank you so much for coming in. This has
we've been I mean, like, obviously I talked to you
a lot about this stuff, but I just feel like
I've learned a whole lot more.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, and I just love that you know, this is
about people's physical appearance, but from you, I just feel
it so much deeper. And there's real soul in you,
and that's you're really caring for that in people. And
it's just made me look at cosmetic surgery in a
different way.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
So thank you. Yeah, help thank having.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Good shock you.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
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