March 2, 2025 • 27 mins
In this episode, Joanne takes us back to the late '90s and early 2000s, sharing the unforgettable moments from when she first met Toni at the start of her recording career. From a memorable dinner at Toni’s house to the unexpected way she came to record Jackie, a song that wasn’t originally meant for her. Joanne reflects on the lasting impact of those early days.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Every day brings a new story. Life isn't perfect, but
it's perfectly ours, with raw conversations, inspiring stories and laugh
until you cry moments we hit them. I'm pack it
all and figure it out together, one episode at a time.
This is Life as we know It Unfiltered with Tony
Tanalia and Lisa Cameron.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello and welcome. We are very excited about the guest
that we have coming up for you over the next
few episodes. This is a lady I met twenty six
years ago and I haven't seen her since, Australian nineties
pop sensation Joanne, who had a hit with the song Jackie,
Remember jack jack Jackie.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It was great catching up with her and why do
you hear some of the amazing stuff that she's going
to share with us in the next few episodes. Enjoy, Like,
I just cannot believe that it's taken us six years.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I've been trying to figure out it's a little bit
of a blur, but I've been trying to figure out
if it was ninety nine or two thousand. I know
it was one of those years. So for everyone listening,
I'll explain this story. So I was in the first
it would have been early in my releasing career, We'll
say so, I think Jackie had been released, and I
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was on my very first promo tour of South Australia
and I've gone to Adelaide and Tony was with a
major radio network and was interviewing myself and also my
labelmates who were on tour with me.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
And who were known as.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Past to present and then they became Islander's right, that's right.
So we were under the same management, we were touring together,
and Tony left such an imprint. So for context, I
was really young. It was early on in my career.
Everything is excything is cool, but also you're away from
home a lot, you're away from family a lot, and
(02:07):
your days in those days, especially with promo, every minute
of your day was accounted for with an itinerary of
things to do and people to see in performances and
all that sort of stuff. And in amongst all of this,
we do this amazing interview with Tony and then she
proceeds to invite us for dinner at her home and
we were just like, oh my gosh, We've been invited
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to this person's home and welcomed like family.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
And I expect you to say yes.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh, I will never turn down a meal. But it
was the fact that someone was so hospitable and personable
and so tony invited us into her home. We had
this beautiful, beautiful time and I never forgot it. And
for so many years I remember, oh my gosh, that
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kind woman who was just so welcoming, and it just
for someone like me. Don't get me wrong, I was
around people all the time. I mean when I was
cheering with the guys. Back then, I was the baby
of the bunch. I was very protected.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's not like you know, but it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Was that family feeling of someone welcoming me into their home,
making me feel so welcome away from my family, and
I never forgot it. And everyone else who interviewed me
after you all did me wrong because you never invited
me for dinner, you know. But it was just a
really beautiful thing, and I've never forgotten it, and I
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always every now and then it would come up in conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I would tell random people.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I remember back in the day I wri into Adelaide,
because it was actually a really beautiful thing that you did,
and it was at a time where everything was just
so crazy and so new and beautiful in the most
chaotic and unsettling way at the same time. So it
was just a really beautiful thing and I had never
(03:58):
forgotten it. So it's really nice to reconnect with twenty
six twenty something odd something crazy like that so many
years on and be able to say I never forgot it. Yeah,
and thank you, because it was a really beautiful memory that.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I had wanted.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The fact that you remembered it.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Oh, it was if I could talk.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
To somebody three weeks ago and then forget if.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Someone said to me memories of Adelaide or memories, beautiful memories,
it's it's in my musical beautiful memories. Because it was
just such a beautiful thing that you did it was.
It meant a lot to me at the time.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, And I was like, yay, these guys coming over
to my place for dinner.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
That is it isn't such a beautiful story, Joe, What
did it mean to you?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Like?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Why did it mean so much?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I think it meant so much because firstly, it was
a beautiful connection. There was a genuine care for conversation
and it was all very personable and we spoke me
I remember we spoke about music for ages. So I
was just a music nerd, so I was very content
with the conversation.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But like I said, it was I was quite.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Young and was away from my family and my friends.
And even though I was surrounded with amazing people and
the energy was always good, it was just really nice
to have been in someone's home rather than a hotel
or rather than you know, in a restaurant or in
a cafe, and to be in someone's home and also
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just to be treated normally, you know it It was.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
A very chill It was very normal. It was very relaxed.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That was actually really cool, rather than you know, a
schmooze vest.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
It was really really nice.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
See, I can still remember us being in my lander,
the back part of the house because the back part
of the house had all glass and you looked out.
We had a swing pool on your time my life
had a swiming pool, but you could see out into
the swing pool and it was that.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
The house that we were.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Living in was in glen Osmond and it was just
a real nice leafy place. And I can still picture
it right now. We're in that back part of the
of the house and we're sitting there a lounge in
front of me, and there's one on the side, and
we'll sit sing around the lounge and there's a coffee
table and just boxes of pizza all over the places.
(06:07):
Like I still have that memory as clear as anything
in my mind.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, and I never forgot your surname either, because I
remember educating everyone on the silent G.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
It's a silent G. It's Italian, it's a silent G.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Thank you, because how many people still get it wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I felt the responsibility it really is.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
It's just so beautiful to hear how much that means
to you, because you know, talking about the wellbeing of
in particular upcoming artists, and you know from hearing this
story from you, it's it's like just how important that
is as a new artist to feel that you have connection,
that you have family, that you know that you have
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people around you that care, because I imagine in the
industry it can get a little bit who's really looking
after you and who wants me just for money?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And it's it's a strange reality.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And I think I was quite naive and young, so
I was quite I was interesting because I was really
disciplined and I was a hard worker always, so from
a professional sense. When I went into this industry, it
was all guns blazing and I really did take it
really seriously.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So I never really had.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
To get taught or educated on how to have work
ethic because I always had that drive. But the one
thing where I was very young and very naive was
you know, I'd literally gone from high school into one
year of you know, recording and working with people, and
then six months after that, my first single dropped, and
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there was really no education about, you know, again, the
work ethic. I knew what to expect, but what I
was really getting into and the business end of it
was all brand new. And I think a lot of us,
it wasn't just me. There was a ton of us
that released music at that time. And you know, we're
all from quite nice families, good upbringings, a lot most
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of us. You know that I'm talking about the people
that I knew when we grew up together, and because
we had that closeness. When managers and labels and all
these people come along and they're treating you like an
extension of their business family, it's easy when you're young
to think, oh, they care and they love me, and
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you seek that comfort.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You seek that approval a lot of.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
The time, and I think even especially back then, you know,
a lot of us, you know, you wanted that validation
from the people that you're working for and working with.
You want to do well, and so I think that
was where for me, I had no idea really that
I was a product and that in the one sense,
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I knew it from a business perspective, but emotionally I
was quite naive in the sense that I really thought
and I'm not saying that people didn't care.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
They weren't people that genuinely cared about me, but I
think that the reality of it's a churn burn industry.
You know, someone moves in and someone moves out, and
that really we're a product. I think that was one
of the realizations, and it took me a few years
to sort of figure it out.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I think for a while there, I was just like.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You know, everyone loves me and everyone cares, you know.
I was just in this happy little place. And then
I think I came to piece things together and realize, oh,
you know what, they care, but it's a different kind
of care. And then I came to I guess, smarten up.
And realize, Okay, I've got a tough enough a bit
because your family or your family your friends are your friends.
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And then there's a business component to this where sometimes
you're genuinely going to connect with people and you're going
to have that bond and it's going to be real,
and then the rest of the time, it's like, you
know what, Okay, this is business, this is business chats,
this is a business relationship, and that's what it is.
And I think that was where I almost wish that
(10:10):
and I say this all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I say it even back then.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
You know, I had an ex boyfriend at the time
who played rugby and even the young rugby players, and
I wish that there was and I think it's better today.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
But back then, there was really no.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Education in how to handle certain things, how to handle media,
how to handle money. You know, so many people that
come into money early and don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
What to do with it because no one ever taught them.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And it's the same with sportsmen, it's the same with
you know, all sorts of people in different industries. And
when you're young and there's no one really guiding you,
and you can have people you know guiding you along
the way, but it's very easy to make mistakes or
just make poor decisions when you really don't understand and
don't know. And thankfully, you know, like I said, you know,
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thankfully for me, you know, there were some ticks in boxes.
The media part of it. I was actually quite good
at it. I naturally loved people and loved talking and
loved engaging. So it wasn't like I had to get
sat down and this is how you do an interview
or this is how you talk to people. I already
kind of had that, so that was a tick in
the box. There were a lot of things that I
naturally had which worked in my favor. But yeah, definitely,
(11:22):
I think a ton of us from you know, nineties,
two thousands, we can probably all say the same thing.
Where it was the business end, where nowadays people are
more clued in and educate themselves.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Back then, it's just like you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Trust people's happened to other artists of the yeah, and
you've just gone, hang on, I'm not going to let
that happen to.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Me exactly exactly, but you know, but saying that, I
wouldn't change anything because I had the best time and
I had the best journey and even with all those
you know, unknowns, I can the positives and the experiences
and the story and the legacy that for myself and
(12:03):
still doing what I love today, it's just like, oh,
you know what, you weigh it up, It's like okay,
And to be fair, it's in every industry and it's
everyone's lives where there's that lack of experience, it happens
to all of us.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So I just love too that with twenty six, twenty
seven years down the track, and I saw you at
nineties Mania and you were up there like it was
your first time and you having an absolute ball, and
it was like, yes, we're just we're going to party.
And I know that was part of the vibe anyway,
but to see you on stage and enjoying as you
(12:36):
could see it how much you enjoyed what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I love what I do.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I have from day dots of me realizing how much
I love performing, which is I'm talking when I'm a toddler.
You know, from day one it was I just want
to bring joy to people and I want to move people.
And there's that feeling of I've got this parent, it's
the palm of my hand and I'm going to wrinkle
it on everyone and just sing from my heart and
(13:05):
lose myself in music and sweat and I don't care
and look a mess and I don't care. And it's
just always been that thing that just drives me. And
it should feel great every time you do it, singing
or performing, anything that you do in life should feel
good every time. And if it doesn't feel good anymore,
you have to sort of look at it and go okay.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And I think that's the thing for me.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Whether it's ten people, a thousand people, forty thousand people,
there's that fire and you can feel it. And I
never want to be slacked and I'm always want to
be my best version of myself. So I think with
nineties Mania, and that was only a month ago, you know,
my attitude was awesome. I'm going to bring the party,
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I'm going to produce the show and create. You know,
I spend so much time creating my shows. It's just
a bit of an addiction the stage.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Because there were other artists that are on after you.
I'm not going to talk the nger Boys, cause the
younger boys were just nuts. Seriously, it was just but
the energy you brought on stage. The other artists that
were on after you didn't have that same energy. They
sang their songs and you can see that they were
enjoying it, but you had that energy in that presence
on stage, and I was just watching you, going, she's
(14:21):
fucking awesome, you know, like it was just awesome to watch.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
You've just got to You've got to treat it, like
you said, like it's almost like you have to treat
it like it's the first and the last time, like
this is my one moment. I don't want to get
all like eminem and be like one shut but it's like,
you know it.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Literally because that might be the first time someone life
and it could be the last time that they see
your lives.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yea, and life is too short.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
So it's just like you've got to get up there
and bring it and move people and you can feel it.
There is nothing more amazing than being up there and
there's that connection with you and the crowd and you're
filling it together. And that's the beautiful thing about performing.
It's not about yourself, it's about the engagement and what's happening,
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and that energy is like nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Else, and so that's I think that's what I do.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Every time I sing and every time I perform, it's like,
this is the moment, and there's something exciting about opening.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I've spoken to a lot of artists about it, about
when you're the opening act.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Some people don't like it.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I love it because there's that part of me that's like,
I'm going to bring so much energy and have so
much fun and bring so much power that I want
to walk away knowing I open the show strongly for
whoever follows, but also I'm going to make it hard
for the next person and now you have to.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Get direct together. But it's a great challenge to have.
So yeah, yeah, it's not a problem. It's a challenge.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
But you can totally hear. I mean, I can hear
that you're this. You know, you're a pragmatic person, but
you're so spiritual as well. You know, you're you're really
you're like, Okay, this is why I'm doing these things
and data day, you know, the sort of like the
logistics and the reality of it. But then underneath is
I'm going to move people. I'm going to bring joy.
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There is a message, there is a purpose here in me,
and I am going to share that with the world
and you can hear that in your vocals, Like, I mean,
Jackie is such an iconic song because of your vocals exactly.
Like I've listened to Lisa Stansfield's version and we're doing
this last night original version of it, and you sort
(16:34):
of go, oh, yeah, I've got the vibe of it,
but it's your vocals. It is Joe, that.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Is Like, what was the other version? You said to me,
have you heard this?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Was Lisa?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Elisa?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I think she did the original was.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
To you versions and it was. It's really funny because
when I think back to when the song was being
worked on, so it wasn't like there was this plan
of Jackie being my first single.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I was working on a different shot.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I was doing R and B and soul, and I
was young, and you know, it was writing cute little
songs and all that kind of thing, and the producers
were working on Jackie so that it was already in
the motion and I was working with the same guys
and I remember saying, you know, how's it going, and
they were like, oh, you know, we're trialing different vocalists.
(17:26):
And I think they've been working on it for quite
some time and then there was just this I remembered.
There was just this knowledge or this sense of I
know what the song needs, and I remember saying to
them it needs to be sung like this, and I
sang it.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Now like can you just hop in the booth?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And long story short it I guess they liked what
I had to offer, and then we had the conversation,
and the conversation was, we want you to be the
voice on this record. And it was only intended to
be a vinyl release, twelve inch to release underground for
the clubs, for dance clubs, and then the song leaked
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to radio and then clubs what people were asking where
to buy it, and then from there there was a
demand and so we released it. So it was this
crazy situation where it was never really intended to be
my first single. Wow, but something about I guess my
belief in what I felt the song needed vocally and
(18:24):
the match between my energy and the song ended up
being this perfect marriage, I guess you could say. But
we still never expected it to be what it was
and what it is today. That's the trippest like it
trips me out.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And I feel like it's just had this resurgence as
well that all of a sudden, it's come out.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Of nowhere again and it's everywhere.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I always joke around saying it's the gift that keeps
on giving.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Jackie, that keeps on giving, because it's it's seriously, it's like,
you know, and it's one of those things I think
when I was in my twenties and even probably my
early thirties, you know, you're you're so keen to show
people that's not all I can do. That's not the
only song I can sing. That's not the only song
I can perform. I can write songs. Did you know
I can do the like you know, there's that need
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to want to show people there's more to me than
just this one song. Now that I'm forty plus, I
am so chill about it, and I'm so like, you know,
what I did, A cool thing you did.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
And it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Bother me that there are people in this country that
only remember me for one song. It doesn't bother me
that the song is going to haunt me until the
day I die, you know, because I know the joy
that it's brought. And I think that that's the thing
that happens with age in general, is that you get
this perspective. You get perspective and a sense of self
(19:44):
and an understanding of purpose and to hear the stories
like it's like this archive of stories that of people
every year, every week, sometimes whether it's a DM, whether
it's bumping into someone, whether it's performing the song, and
you hear what the song meant to them or the
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funny stories, like, you know, I hear things like someone
DMed me once and said my first kiss was to Jackie,
and then I was like, was it a good one?
I really hope? So you know, you know, you hear
all the stories of what the song means and people
can remember where they were, and it trips you out
because I'm such a music lover and so I sit
there and go, I thought that about this artist, or
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I thought that about this song. People are thinking that
about something that I've done.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
This is crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So when you have all of that going on, it's
very You just sit there and you go, how can
I not be grateful? How can I not be thankful
for this vehicle that has just kept me going for
so many years that I still get to perform in
front of amazing crowds and do what I love.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
How can I be annoyed, you.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Know, whereas other people like don't you wish people you
knew you from? When, I'm like no, because when they
see the show, they get it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So I'm fine because almost it's not a goin to
sit there for half an now and sing Jackie for
half an hour.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
No, although there are some people that probably wouldn't mind at.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Five times do it again.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
No, I don't reckon that's a bad thing though, because
it shows you how much passion and how much people
love that song. If they're happy for you to sing
it three times in a row.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And I think that was the funny thing about you know.
A couple of years ago I released a twenty fifth
anniversary remix and I was like, you know, do I
do it? Because for many years people had been saying
to me, are you going to drop it again?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Are you going to do a remix? And I was
like no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Because to be fair, I honestly felt, don't touch it,
leave it alone. People love it as it is. And
then when I got to that twenty fifty year I
was like, I think it's time. And so you know,
we created something new, something fresh, and I wanted to
do something that complimented the original but wasn't taking away
(21:53):
from what the original was. And it was such a
beautiful fun process to like re sing it all. And
as an adult, I say because I always say to people,
because I listened to my nineties, two thousands recordings and
I can't help it. I just got And it's just
because it's like listening to my baby's self, so I
just know I'm going to pick it apart, of course,
(22:14):
But yeah, it was really great to record everything fresh
as a grown up and put a new spin on
it and again see how much love was out there
for this song. And it's a testament when you can
see I mean, we were speaking about how many versions
of Jackie there have been in the past. If the
song can get recorded that many times and so many
(22:34):
remixes are done and people still love it, it's.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Like, yeah, that's a good song. It is exactly right.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
It is. It's an ear whorm, isn't. It's one of
those ones.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And I never know whether to say sorry to people,
like when their name's Jackie, I never know, you know,
Like I sometimes you get the person where they're like,
oh my gosh, my name's jack and they're so excited,
and other times you're like, they're gonna punch me out.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I was actually gonna ask you, I reckon.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You could have retired probably three times over for the
amount of times I reckon people have actually called you Jackie.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Oh my gosh, I remember every time you would have
retired one hundred percent. I think it was.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It was I can't remember what TV show it was.
Oh no, but they said, and here is Jackie with
her song Joanne. They'd mixed they'd mixed it up and
it would happen.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I think luckily it wasn't live to air and then
they're like, her name's Joanne and the song is Jackie.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But yeah, it happens all the time. It still happens today.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I'm so immune to it that, you know, like I
just laugh. I think it's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
But but the truth is is that you know the song.
You know it's the truth.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
The song is bigger than me, that the song has
a legacy bigger than.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Me because you because that's someone else had sung that song.
I don't think it would have the same impact on people.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
That I challenge you, Tony get in the booth and
record a see what happens.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
It's because hearing your what your message or intention is
behind it. I think that's what we can all feel like.
You like you've got diva vocals right like they're just
like they're just powerhouse vocals, but there is a message
that is coming through that energy that you're sending out
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with this song.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
A ceiling into you here. I don't know how to
explain it. Look, I'm I am not a technical vocalist,
and what I mean by that is that I have
worked on my craft for many years to be the
best vocalist I can possibly be. But I'm a raw
emotion singer and one that's one thing that I've always
I've always had a tone. Some people will say it's
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a great tone. I've always had this power. When I
was younger, I didn't really know what to do with it,
and I didn't have the best control when I was younger,
But there was one thing where it was every time
I sing, I'm going to sing from here and just
put it out there and have that raw emotion come through.
And I think that's something that I always stand by.
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You know, Sometimes I go off stage and I'm like, oh,
that was an interesting ad lib because I literally will
lose myself in the moment. Every time I sing it's
different to the last. And so sometimes I'll in my
heart it feels like I meant to do this thing,
and then I do it, and I'm like, in my head,
I'm like, oh that was interesting.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
That was interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
We'll just let me just do a boutis shake and
hopefully people will forget what just happened, you know. But
the truth is is that I just lose myself in it.
I don't beat myself up over it. You know. I
could watch things ten times over, and I do sometimes
watch things and go.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Oh, that was I shouldn't have done that. But at
the same time, I'm like, but it was. It was real,
that's where you were at the time.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
And people really aren't fixating on it. It's usually me, yea,
let's be honest.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
And vocal, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
We do get fixated on stuff and we're like, I
don't even think that person's thinking about what, no thinking
about They.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Just I'm thinking about half the things we think about,
you know, Like you know the amount of times I'm like, oh,
I shouldn't have done this.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I shouldn't have looked like that, and.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well that's why hands want to stand here with pretty
much no makeup but of the mascara looking like just
fell out of bed.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Because Tony toenails. That's easier way to say.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
So, Tony toenails. Maybe that could be my only fans
page name instead of onion bitch, we reckon.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
We've got more coming up over the next few episodes
with our special guests Australi and singer Joeanne.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
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This is Life as we know It Unfiltered with Tony
Tanalia and Lisa Cameron.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello and welcome. We are very excited about the guest
that we have coming up for you over the next
few episodes. This is a lady I met twenty six
years ago and I haven't seen her since, Australian nineties
pop sensation Joanne, who had a hit with the song Jackie,
Remember jack jack Jackie.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It was great catching up with her and why do
you hear some of the amazing stuff that she's going
to share with us in the next few episodes. Enjoy, Like,
I just cannot believe that it's taken us six years.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I've been trying to figure out it's a little bit
of a blur, but I've been trying to figure out
if it was ninety nine or two thousand. I know
it was one of those years. So for everyone listening,
I'll explain this story. So I was in the first
it would have been early in my releasing career, We'll
say so, I think Jackie had been released, and I
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was on my very first promo tour of South Australia
and I've gone to Adelaide and Tony was with a
major radio network and was interviewing myself and also my
labelmates who were on tour with me.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
And who were known as.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Past to present and then they became Islander's right, that's right.
So we were under the same management, we were touring together,
and Tony left such an imprint. So for context, I
was really young. It was early on in my career.
Everything is excything is cool, but also you're away from
home a lot, you're away from family a lot, and
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your days in those days, especially with promo, every minute
of your day was accounted for with an itinerary of
things to do and people to see in performances and
all that sort of stuff. And in amongst all of this,
we do this amazing interview with Tony and then she
proceeds to invite us for dinner at her home and
we were just like, oh my gosh, We've been invited
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to this person's home and welcomed like family.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
And I expect you to say yes.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh, I will never turn down a meal. But it
was the fact that someone was so hospitable and personable
and so tony invited us into her home. We had
this beautiful, beautiful time and I never forgot it. And
for so many years I remember, oh my gosh, that
(02:58):
kind woman who was just so welcoming, and it just
for someone like me. Don't get me wrong, I was
around people all the time. I mean when I was
cheering with the guys. Back then, I was the baby
of the bunch. I was very protected.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's not like you know, but it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Was that family feeling of someone welcoming me into their home,
making me feel so welcome away from my family, and
I never forgot it. And everyone else who interviewed me
after you all did me wrong because you never invited
me for dinner, you know. But it was just a
really beautiful thing, and I've never forgotten it, and I
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always every now and then it would come up in conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I would tell random people.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I remember back in the day I wri into Adelaide,
because it was actually a really beautiful thing that you did,
and it was at a time where everything was just
so crazy and so new and beautiful in the most
chaotic and unsettling way at the same time. So it
was just a really beautiful thing and I had never
(03:58):
forgotten it. So it's really nice to reconnect with twenty
six twenty something odd something crazy like that so many
years on and be able to say I never forgot it. Yeah,
and thank you, because it was a really beautiful memory that.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I had wanted.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The fact that you remembered it.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Oh, it was if I could talk.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
To somebody three weeks ago and then forget if.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Someone said to me memories of Adelaide or memories, beautiful memories,
it's it's in my musical beautiful memories. Because it was
just such a beautiful thing that you did it was.
It meant a lot to me at the time.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, And I was like, yay, these guys coming over
to my place for dinner.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
That is it isn't such a beautiful story, Joe, What
did it mean to you?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Like?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Why did it mean so much?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I think it meant so much because firstly, it was
a beautiful connection. There was a genuine care for conversation
and it was all very personable and we spoke me
I remember we spoke about music for ages. So I
was just a music nerd, so I was very content
with the conversation.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But like I said, it was I was quite.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Young and was away from my family and my friends.
And even though I was surrounded with amazing people and
the energy was always good, it was just really nice
to have been in someone's home rather than a hotel
or rather than you know, in a restaurant or in
a cafe, and to be in someone's home and also
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just to be treated normally, you know it It was.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
A very chill It was very normal. It was very relaxed.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That was actually really cool, rather than you know, a
schmooze vest.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
It was really really nice.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
See, I can still remember us being in my lander,
the back part of the house because the back part
of the house had all glass and you looked out.
We had a swing pool on your time my life
had a swiming pool, but you could see out into
the swing pool and it was that.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
The house that we were.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Living in was in glen Osmond and it was just
a real nice leafy place. And I can still picture
it right now. We're in that back part of the
of the house and we're sitting there a lounge in
front of me, and there's one on the side, and
we'll sit sing around the lounge and there's a coffee
table and just boxes of pizza all over the places.
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Like I still have that memory as clear as anything
in my mind.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, and I never forgot your surname either, because I
remember educating everyone on the silent G.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
It's a silent G. It's Italian, it's a silent G.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Thank you, because how many people still get it wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I felt the responsibility it really is.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
It's just so beautiful to hear how much that means
to you, because you know, talking about the wellbeing of
in particular upcoming artists, and you know from hearing this
story from you, it's it's like just how important that
is as a new artist to feel that you have connection,
that you have family, that you know that you have
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people around you that care, because I imagine in the
industry it can get a little bit who's really looking
after you and who wants me just for money?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And it's it's a strange reality.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And I think I was quite naive and young, so
I was quite I was interesting because I was really
disciplined and I was a hard worker always, so from
a professional sense. When I went into this industry, it
was all guns blazing and I really did take it
really seriously.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So I never really had.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
To get taught or educated on how to have work
ethic because I always had that drive. But the one
thing where I was very young and very naive was
you know, I'd literally gone from high school into one
year of you know, recording and working with people, and
then six months after that, my first single dropped, and
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there was really no education about, you know, again, the
work ethic. I knew what to expect, but what I
was really getting into and the business end of it
was all brand new. And I think a lot of us,
it wasn't just me. There was a ton of us
that released music at that time. And you know, we're
all from quite nice families, good upbringings, a lot most
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of us. You know that I'm talking about the people
that I knew when we grew up together, and because
we had that closeness. When managers and labels and all
these people come along and they're treating you like an
extension of their business family, it's easy when you're young
to think, oh, they care and they love me, and
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you seek that comfort.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You seek that approval a lot of.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
The time, and I think even especially back then, you know,
a lot of us, you know, you wanted that validation
from the people that you're working for and working with.
You want to do well, and so I think that
was where for me, I had no idea really that
I was a product and that in the one sense,
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I knew it from a business perspective, but emotionally I
was quite naive in the sense that I really thought
and I'm not saying that people didn't care.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
They weren't people that genuinely cared about me, but I
think that the reality of it's a churn burn industry.
You know, someone moves in and someone moves out, and
that really we're a product. I think that was one
of the realizations, and it took me a few years
to sort of figure it out.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I think for a while there, I was just like.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
You know, everyone loves me and everyone cares, you know.
I was just in this happy little place. And then
I think I came to piece things together and realize, oh,
you know what, they care, but it's a different kind
of care. And then I came to I guess, smarten up.
And realize, Okay, I've got a tough enough a bit
because your family or your family your friends are your friends.
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And then there's a business component to this where sometimes
you're genuinely going to connect with people and you're going
to have that bond and it's going to be real,
and then the rest of the time, it's like, you
know what, Okay, this is business, this is business chats,
this is a business relationship, and that's what it is.
And I think that was where I almost wish that
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and I say this all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
I say it even back then.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
You know, I had an ex boyfriend at the time
who played rugby and even the young rugby players, and
I wish that there was and I think it's better today.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
But back then, there was really no.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Education in how to handle certain things, how to handle media,
how to handle money. You know, so many people that
come into money early and don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
What to do with it because no one ever taught them.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And it's the same with sportsmen, it's the same with
you know, all sorts of people in different industries. And
when you're young and there's no one really guiding you,
and you can have people you know guiding you along
the way, but it's very easy to make mistakes or
just make poor decisions when you really don't understand and
don't know. And thankfully, you know, like I said, you know,
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thankfully for me, you know, there were some ticks in boxes.
The media part of it. I was actually quite good
at it. I naturally loved people and loved talking and
loved engaging. So it wasn't like I had to get
sat down and this is how you do an interview
or this is how you talk to people. I already
kind of had that, so that was a tick in
the box. There were a lot of things that I
naturally had which worked in my favor. But yeah, definitely,
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I think a ton of us from you know, nineties,
two thousands, we can probably all say the same thing.
Where it was the business end, where nowadays people are
more clued in and educate themselves.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Back then, it's just like you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Trust people's happened to other artists of the yeah, and
you've just gone, hang on, I'm not going to let
that happen to.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Me exactly exactly, but you know, but saying that, I
wouldn't change anything because I had the best time and
I had the best journey and even with all those
you know, unknowns, I can the positives and the experiences
and the story and the legacy that for myself and
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still doing what I love today, it's just like, oh,
you know what, you weigh it up, It's like okay,
And to be fair, it's in every industry and it's
everyone's lives where there's that lack of experience, it happens
to all of us.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So I just love too that with twenty six, twenty
seven years down the track, and I saw you at
nineties Mania and you were up there like it was
your first time and you having an absolute ball, and
it was like, yes, we're just we're going to party.
And I know that was part of the vibe anyway,
but to see you on stage and enjoying as you
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could see it how much you enjoyed what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I love what I do.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I have from day dots of me realizing how much
I love performing, which is I'm talking when I'm a toddler.
You know, from day one it was I just want
to bring joy to people and I want to move people.
And there's that feeling of I've got this parent, it's
the palm of my hand and I'm going to wrinkle
it on everyone and just sing from my heart and
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lose myself in music and sweat and I don't care
and look a mess and I don't care. And it's
just always been that thing that just drives me. And
it should feel great every time you do it, singing
or performing, anything that you do in life should feel
good every time. And if it doesn't feel good anymore,
you have to sort of look at it and go okay.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And I think that's the thing for me.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Whether it's ten people, a thousand people, forty thousand people,
there's that fire and you can feel it. And I
never want to be slacked and I'm always want to
be my best version of myself. So I think with
nineties Mania, and that was only a month ago, you know,
my attitude was awesome. I'm going to bring the party,
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I'm going to produce the show and create. You know,
I spend so much time creating my shows. It's just
a bit of an addiction the stage.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Because there were other artists that are on after you.
I'm not going to talk the nger Boys, cause the
younger boys were just nuts. Seriously, it was just but
the energy you brought on stage. The other artists that
were on after you didn't have that same energy. They
sang their songs and you can see that they were
enjoying it, but you had that energy in that presence
on stage, and I was just watching you, going, she's
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fucking awesome, you know, like it was just awesome to watch.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
You've just got to You've got to treat it, like
you said, like it's almost like you have to treat
it like it's the first and the last time, like
this is my one moment. I don't want to get
all like eminem and be like one shut but it's like,
you know it.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Literally because that might be the first time someone life
and it could be the last time that they see
your lives.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yea, and life is too short.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
So it's just like you've got to get up there
and bring it and move people and you can feel it.
There is nothing more amazing than being up there and
there's that connection with you and the crowd and you're
filling it together. And that's the beautiful thing about performing.
It's not about yourself, it's about the engagement and what's happening,
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and that energy is like nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Else, and so that's I think that's what I do.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Every time I sing and every time I perform, it's like,
this is the moment, and there's something exciting about opening.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I've spoken to a lot of artists about it, about
when you're the opening act.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Some people don't like it.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I love it because there's that part of me that's like,
I'm going to bring so much energy and have so
much fun and bring so much power that I want
to walk away knowing I open the show strongly for
whoever follows, but also I'm going to make it hard
for the next person and now you have to.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Get direct together. But it's a great challenge to have.
So yeah, yeah, it's not a problem. It's a challenge.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
But you can totally hear. I mean, I can hear
that you're this. You know, you're a pragmatic person, but
you're so spiritual as well. You know, you're you're really
you're like, Okay, this is why I'm doing these things
and data day, you know, the sort of like the
logistics and the reality of it. But then underneath is
I'm going to move people. I'm going to bring joy.
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There is a message, there is a purpose here in me,
and I am going to share that with the world
and you can hear that in your vocals, Like, I mean,
Jackie is such an iconic song because of your vocals exactly.
Like I've listened to Lisa Stansfield's version and we're doing
this last night original version of it, and you sort
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of go, oh, yeah, I've got the vibe of it,
but it's your vocals. It is Joe, that.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Is Like, what was the other version? You said to me,
have you heard this?
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Was Lisa?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Elisa?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I think she did the original was.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
To you versions and it was. It's really funny because
when I think back to when the song was being
worked on, so it wasn't like there was this plan
of Jackie being my first single.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I was working on a different shot.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I was doing R and B and soul, and I
was young, and you know, it was writing cute little
songs and all that kind of thing, and the producers
were working on Jackie so that it was already in
the motion and I was working with the same guys
and I remember saying, you know, how's it going, and
they were like, oh, you know, we're trialing different vocalists.
(17:26):
And I think they've been working on it for quite
some time and then there was just this I remembered.
There was just this knowledge or this sense of I
know what the song needs, and I remember saying to
them it needs to be sung like this, and I
sang it.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Now like can you just hop in the booth?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And long story short it I guess they liked what
I had to offer, and then we had the conversation,
and the conversation was, we want you to be the
voice on this record. And it was only intended to
be a vinyl release, twelve inch to release underground for
the clubs, for dance clubs, and then the song leaked
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to radio and then clubs what people were asking where
to buy it, and then from there there was a
demand and so we released it. So it was this
crazy situation where it was never really intended to be
my first single. Wow, but something about I guess my
belief in what I felt the song needed vocally and
(18:24):
the match between my energy and the song ended up
being this perfect marriage, I guess you could say. But
we still never expected it to be what it was
and what it is today. That's the trippest like it
trips me out.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And I feel like it's just had this resurgence as
well that all of a sudden, it's come out.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Of nowhere again and it's everywhere.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I always joke around saying it's the gift that keeps
on giving.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Jackie, that keeps on giving, because it's it's seriously, it's like,
you know, and it's one of those things I think
when I was in my twenties and even probably my
early thirties, you know, you're you're so keen to show
people that's not all I can do. That's not the
only song I can sing. That's not the only song
I can perform. I can write songs. Did you know
I can do the like you know, there's that need
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to want to show people there's more to me than
just this one song. Now that I'm forty plus, I
am so chill about it, and I'm so like, you know,
what I did, A cool thing you did.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
And it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Bother me that there are people in this country that
only remember me for one song. It doesn't bother me
that the song is going to haunt me until the
day I die, you know, because I know the joy
that it's brought. And I think that that's the thing
that happens with age in general, is that you get
this perspective. You get perspective and a sense of self
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and an understanding of purpose and to hear the stories
like it's like this archive of stories that of people
every year, every week, sometimes whether it's a DM, whether
it's bumping into someone, whether it's performing the song, and
you hear what the song meant to them or the
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funny stories, like, you know, I hear things like someone
DMed me once and said my first kiss was to Jackie,
and then I was like, was it a good one?
I really hope? So you know, you know, you hear
all the stories of what the song means and people
can remember where they were, and it trips you out
because I'm such a music lover and so I sit
there and go, I thought that about this artist, or
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I thought that about this song. People are thinking that
about something that I've done.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
This is crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So when you have all of that going on, it's
very You just sit there and you go, how can
I not be grateful? How can I not be thankful
for this vehicle that has just kept me going for
so many years that I still get to perform in
front of amazing crowds and do what I love.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
How can I be annoyed, you.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Know, whereas other people like don't you wish people you
knew you from? When, I'm like no, because when they
see the show, they get it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So I'm fine because almost it's not a goin to
sit there for half an now and sing Jackie for
half an hour.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
No, although there are some people that probably wouldn't mind at.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Five times do it again.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
No, I don't reckon that's a bad thing though, because
it shows you how much passion and how much people
love that song. If they're happy for you to sing
it three times in a row.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And I think that was the funny thing about you know.
A couple of years ago I released a twenty fifth
anniversary remix and I was like, you know, do I
do it? Because for many years people had been saying
to me, are you going to drop it again?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Are you going to do a remix? And I was
like no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Because to be fair, I honestly felt, don't touch it,
leave it alone. People love it as it is. And
then when I got to that twenty fifty year I
was like, I think it's time. And so you know,
we created something new, something fresh, and I wanted to
do something that complimented the original but wasn't taking away
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from what the original was. And it was such a
beautiful fun process to like re sing it all. And
as an adult, I say because I always say to people,
because I listened to my nineties, two thousands recordings and
I can't help it. I just got And it's just
because it's like listening to my baby's self, so I
just know I'm going to pick it apart, of course,
(22:14):
But yeah, it was really great to record everything fresh
as a grown up and put a new spin on
it and again see how much love was out there
for this song. And it's a testament when you can
see I mean, we were speaking about how many versions
of Jackie there have been in the past. If the
song can get recorded that many times and so many
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remixes are done and people still love it, it's.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Like, yeah, that's a good song. It is exactly right.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
It is. It's an ear whorm, isn't. It's one of
those ones.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
And I never know whether to say sorry to people,
like when their name's Jackie, I never know, you know,
Like I sometimes you get the person where they're like,
oh my gosh, my name's jack and they're so excited,
and other times you're like, they're gonna punch me out.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I was actually gonna ask you, I reckon.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You could have retired probably three times over for the
amount of times I reckon people have actually called you Jackie.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Oh my gosh, I remember every time you would have
retired one hundred percent. I think it was.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It was I can't remember what TV show it was.
Oh no, but they said, and here is Jackie with
her song Joanne. They'd mixed they'd mixed it up and
it would happen.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I think luckily it wasn't live to air and then
they're like, her name's Joanne and the song is Jackie.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But yeah, it happens all the time. It still happens today.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I'm so immune to it that, you know, like I
just laugh. I think it's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
But but the truth is is that you know the song.
You know it's the truth.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
The song is bigger than me, that the song has
a legacy bigger than.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Me because you because that's someone else had sung that song.
I don't think it would have the same impact on people.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
That I challenge you, Tony get in the booth and
record a see what happens.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
It's because hearing your what your message or intention is
behind it. I think that's what we can all feel like.
You like you've got diva vocals right like they're just
like they're just powerhouse vocals, but there is a message
that is coming through that energy that you're sending out
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with this song.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
A ceiling into you here. I don't know how to
explain it. Look, I'm I am not a technical vocalist,
and what I mean by that is that I have
worked on my craft for many years to be the
best vocalist I can possibly be. But I'm a raw
emotion singer and one that's one thing that I've always
I've always had a tone. Some people will say it's
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a great tone. I've always had this power. When I
was younger, I didn't really know what to do with it,
and I didn't have the best control when I was younger,
But there was one thing where it was every time
I sing, I'm going to sing from here and just
put it out there and have that raw emotion come through.
And I think that's something that I always stand by.
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You know, Sometimes I go off stage and I'm like, oh,
that was an interesting ad lib because I literally will
lose myself in the moment. Every time I sing it's
different to the last. And so sometimes I'll in my
heart it feels like I meant to do this thing,
and then I do it, and I'm like, in my head,
I'm like, oh that was interesting.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
That was interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
We'll just let me just do a boutis shake and
hopefully people will forget what just happened, you know. But
the truth is is that I just lose myself in it.
I don't beat myself up over it. You know. I
could watch things ten times over, and I do sometimes
watch things and go.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Oh, that was I shouldn't have done that. But at
the same time, I'm like, but it was. It was real,
that's where you were at the time.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
And people really aren't fixating on it. It's usually me, yea,
let's be honest.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
And vocal, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
We do get fixated on stuff and we're like, I
don't even think that person's thinking about what, no thinking
about They.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Just I'm thinking about half the things we think about,
you know, Like you know the amount of times I'm like, oh,
I shouldn't have done this.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I shouldn't have looked like that, and.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well that's why hands want to stand here with pretty
much no makeup but of the mascara looking like just
fell out of bed.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Because Tony toenails. That's easier way to say.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
So, Tony toenails. Maybe that could be my only fans
page name instead of onion bitch, we reckon.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
We've got more coming up over the next few episodes
with our special guests Australi and singer Joeanne.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
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