April 28, 2025 • 28 mins
In this episode, we sit down with Victoria Devine - powerhouse financial adviser, founder of Zella Wealth, and host of the She’s on the Money Podcast. Victoria opens up about her experience living with ADHD, how embracing her neurodivergence has shaped the way she runs her business, and why she proudly surrounds herself with a "neurospicy" team.
She also shares her honest strategies for managing time, staying organized, and making sure she’s fully present for her most important role yet; being a mum to her young son.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Every day brings a new story. Life isn't perfect, but
it's perfectly ours, with raw conversations, inspiring stories and laugh
until you cry moments we hit them. I unpack it
all and figure it out together, one episode at a time.
This is Life as We Know It, Unfiltered with Tony
Tanalia and Lisa Cameron.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Our guest in this episode is Victoria Divine. She's the
creator of a personal finance platform for millennial women and
host of the award winning podcast She's on the Money.
First of all, Victoria, we want to say welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thank you for having me have fun.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
We have a little gift. No, yes, we have a
gift for all.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I guess Oh, I love for you.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's just so cute.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
This is her. I've realized this is her love language.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I love giving, not so much. I'm happy to receive,
don't be wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just love to give.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I'm the same. I'm the same. To open it now, yeah,
they have done it? Okay, okay, So I've been given
a brown box. That's it's a nondescript brown boy.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
There's a bit of sticky tape there. If you rip
that story, does it not open? No? Yeah, Okay, it does,
it does, know, but you just gotta rip the box
now if you do it that way, but I don't
want to if you undo the sticky tape.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Gentle, our male guests were not this gentle.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
How easy that was.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I'm sorry for trying it other way. Now I'm scared
it's breakable. Hold on, hold, I've got a mug with
your faces on. I love this. This is my like,
this is going to be officially my studio mug because
we actually record in the same studio. That's what I'm
going to put it on display here.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Oh, we love that. We love that. Now that design
was by my son. My son designed that.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I love this.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I can't even tell which one is which.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I hope.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
One because it's got glasses.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
The other one does.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So there's the first give that was how did you know?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Hell? But the thing is the reason this one is
actually very special is that you are the first person
to get that mug. Everybody else before you get the
mud No, they did, but they received the old one
because we had to get rid of the they've got
the crack munks.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I got good mug.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well they got well, they're limited edition.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
We called them at a edition. We don't want to
call them crat mugs. We just told them they were
limited edition.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, you've got that. That's what I do all of
my old branding for sheees On the money, I was like,
this is a limited edition notebook. I will never again
print these, not because it has the old logo on
this limited that's limited edition. I pay a lot of
money for this, which I mean, how could you put
a value on this?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, true, we have in the past. We did for
like twenty bucks.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
That is, you know, if I'm selling merchrom more than
twenty bucks. Yeah, well, we get time, energy and effort
goes into creating.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Actually that's actually why I've never done.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It is actually an interview for you as our marketing manager.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So you've got the job, don't.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I don't do much, so I'm very actually not actually
able to talk about this, but I will. And if
you do something with confidence, people will believe it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That's true. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And that was actually a question that I wanted to
ask you about confidence because you just have incredible confidence
and do I yes, okay, did you say it's fine?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Absolutely? Oh yeah, yeah, like you not but on.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Your okay, on your Instagram. Now, I know that things can.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Be created on my Instagram, do you know I don't.
That's not a examples, just stories.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I find that you're very authentic and you're like, this
is my life and this is what I'm doing, and
you know you've obviously I can't be.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I love that. I feel good about doing stuff in
a box.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
About how much time, energy and ef it goes into
curating a beautiful feed. Yeah, we don't have time for
that in.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
House, no tell me, but that's what I can see
on your Insta stories. I feel it's very real. You know,
you do the Marley Spoon. I do the Marley I do.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I love a Marley Spoon moment. But even they don't
get creative control over my content.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
No, Like I say, so, you're Marley Spoon. I'm audible.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Oh I love that. I know you do, and I
love that.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I'm an audible person. I haven't had time to read books.
I listened to them in the car. You cook your book, Well,
hang on, I could do that to us, but I
listened to them in the car. I don't have time
to read them. So but I'm just thinking we've both
got a connection to Victoria on that level.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, I work with Audible, I work with Marley Spoon exactly.
I love it, Yeah, I do. But like I do
apologize for anyone who works with me because it's.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Rogue, but we love that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Like I don't think they, especially Marley Spoon, I don't
think they saw what was coming coming when I started
posting that my husband was going to do all the cooking.
I think they were probably like, that's not what we
signed up for. But I was like, you get what you.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Get, but there's one that's who's the lady that's in
with you Jess at the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, we cooked lunch together the other day in my kitchen,
which honestly was really impressive because the time we cooked
together prior to this recipe that we film, I actually
set the kitchen on file.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
She said that, what the hell I did?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I did do so it's just like not peak COVID,
but like coming out of COVID and you when you know,
when the vodka RIGATONI, like the Bella had did TONI
was going around social media. Everybody was making it. So
we decided Jess and I were going to do a
live Instagram together and we were going to cook the
vodka Rigatoni, and we were going to do that because
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our community wanted a cheap eat and like at the time,
we're doing this cheap eat series on our on our podcast,
and we had sent a recipe out to our community
and said, look, along with us, Jess and they are
going to go live at seven pm. They're going to
cook the same dinner. You guys can cook along. It'll
be like friends cooking in the kitchen together. Because during
COVID we were all a little bit dululu at the time,
(06:11):
that seemed like a good idea.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I can already picture it was about to happen. Vodka
in the kitchen cooking.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Bam, he's got it.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I've got it, You've got it, You've got it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
But to make it better, it's me telling look, you
really should turn off your cook top because we're dealing
with alcohol and alcohol and flames. Don't like it could
set up in flames. And so I'm like trying to
do the Instagram thing, trying to chop my onions, which
I should have pre prepared, like I should have done
a whole like I don't know, like a Marley Spoon
(06:41):
moment with all my pretty little containers.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Like Julle Sebastian. She has everything ready to go exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I could have been huey, but I was. And so
I'm there, I'm like friends looking chopping an onion, trying
to like do this, trying to do that, and I
just tell everybody be careful with the vodka. It could
set a light. So I tip the vod and I
turned back to the camera and behind me the stove
and Jess goes, you're on fire, and I go, thanks,
(07:10):
not what I mean? Yeah, And I had to turn
around and thankfully I was good under pressure.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Oh man, how did you bite it out?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I just took it off the heat.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Obviously, it was just no.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I just I took it off the heat and continued
to cook.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That deal.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
But yeah, it was like I would not look at
my Instagram content and be like, wow, she's so curated.
That's just not what you're going to get from me
if you've never met me before.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And that's how I felt looking at your thing. I'm like,
it looks beautiful your Instagram page, but then when you
actually click on the videos, there's actually this very that's playful.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
That's that's yeah, it's kind of like I've got to
deceive a little bit. First impression, you were like, oh,
this's got stuff together, and then you're going through my
story highlights and you're like, it's just slipping well.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And what I love what you do is that you
obviously talk about something that can be very serious and
quite dry, which is financing.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
It is very dry, but you bring.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Such a playful, fun thank you kind of silly, cheeky
sort of if.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You can't have it, But how did you?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Was that a decision that you made that if you
were going to talk about finances, that it had to
be fun.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
No, I think like my journey into the finance realm
a couple of different ways. So like, firstly, on a
personal note, I was in astronomical personal debt, like I
was so good at spending. Oh, like it was a game.
It was a game. It turns out the game, this
game you don't want to win.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm not going to win.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
No, No, I didn't actually win, which was kind of
bullshit because I was really good at it forty thousand
dollars worth of consudet and managed to get myself out
of that, and along that journey discovered financial advice and
the impact that had on people because it was having
it on me. But prior to that, I worked in psychology,
so I have two psych degrees, and then I went
(09:13):
on to do my MBA, and so I have I
would say in retrospect, not at the time, but in retrospect,
I would say that I had an ability or still
do hopefully to marry psychology and money, because money is
inherently emotional. And if I'm just talking to you about
the facts, no one cares about the facts like that,
why do they say that? Don't let the facts get
(09:33):
in the way of a good story, Like why would
you say that if facts were interesting? So for me,
it was really about helping people connect with their why
and doing that. But then I also have ADHD, so
I would say that that chaoticness and the playfulness that
you're talking about, that's just actually me as a human being.
And for a long time I was trying to be
(09:54):
perfectly curated and have these beautiful Instagram posts, and I
found that a lot of people would, you know, like
our content, that's fantastic, and they'd be like, oh my god,
Like I went to one of your workshops, you are
so brogue. I love you so much more now, and
so over time I learned that maybe people do want
to see more of me, even though that's not what
had been role modeled for me on social media. So
(10:18):
it's taken a long time to get to where I
am in terms of like just being very happy to share,
Like I'm on my Instagram stories with no makeup. I'm
on my Instagram stories walking my dog. Last night I
was making mashed potato for my son, Like, nothing is
polished or perfect, but it is authentic and I won't
lie and say, oh, just turn up as you're acthentic self.
It's well, ye see, that was hard to get to
(10:40):
and it did take a lot of Like if you
scroll far enough back in my thing, you'll be like, oh,
this is a very pretty feed. The mental hoops I
had to go through to be like, what do I post?
How do I make it aesthetic?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Well?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
What other people like? Nobody even cared? Now for some reason,
you guys want to see me mash sweet potato when
how much of it my baby ate?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, pop off, queens.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I don't get it, but I'm not going to argue.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Actually, you just mentioned that you have ADHD. How many
people have we spoken to so far.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I feel like nearly every guess that we really doesn't
have ADHD nowadays. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I'm starting to think I do because of my silliness.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
But yours is you're getting towards menopause. I've just come
out of menopause. Really, yeah, I don't feel like that
journey has just been ADHD plus ADHD.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I feel like it definitely has been normalized in like
the best possible way. I am kind of on the
flip side. I got diagnosed at eighteen and I'm now
thirty four nearly, so I've been diagnosed for a very
long time. Before it was cool, like I was getting
my medication, popping them out of all of the things
and putting them into the panadoll box so that nobody
(11:49):
knew I was taking Riddil, and I would lie through
my teeth because I found it so embarrassing, and like,
I just thought that if I told you I had ADHD,
you would assume that I was the annoying kid in
grade three who was leaning back on their chair and
being yelled at and going into detention. And that's just
not how it manifests in women. And I think that
I'm lucky I got diagnosed early, and I think that
(12:10):
I owe that that success that I've had to the
early diagnosis because I was able to kind of control
it and deal with it. But now because people are
talking about it, I remember being like, should like my
whole team knew, right because I am rogue. Like my
team before I even told them, I had ADHD who's
(12:32):
worked worked for me for like five years now. She's like,
I mean she was talking to somebody else, but I
was like present, yeah, like I would call her neurospicy
and I was like, thanks, Gabe, I do have ADHD,
so that makes sense, and she's like, do you have
You not picked this up anyway, So the team knew
(12:53):
before I had told them, But it did feel, even
you know, a couple of years ago, a little bit
taboo to talk about because I was like, are they
going to get it? They gonna think I'm crazy? Yeah,
And that's not the reality of it, because it definitely
manifests is very different in women. But I'm just I'm
so glad that so many people are being diagnosed because
I can't imagine what my life like, how hard life
(13:14):
would have been for me without medication, Like without diagnosed it, Like,
I don't think I would have been able to be
who I am and do what I do because yeah,
without it, it just wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, Okay, my daughter who's twenty seven, should between eight
this year, she's just been diagnosed on the spectrum. My
justest who drew that, Yeah, he's on the spectrum as well.
I've got three kids.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Diagnos talent you can tell, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, like
that's that's a compliment, but you don't get that talent.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
But my daughter is the same artistic, like you would
not believe I'm so good.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. I love it, and I
just yeah, I think it's just more prevalent, and like
the more people are talking about it, the more people
are resonating with it. Me, like, maybe I should talk
to my doctor.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
So what are the symptoms in women in particular for eighth.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Obviously it's very different for each person, but it's kind
of that for me, if I'm not medicated, I forget
everything out of sight, out of mind. If you tell
me something, I very gleefully agree that the past, like
we've forgotten that very bouncy between things. Can't make a
(14:25):
decision to save my life, decision analysis paralysis, Like if
you say, V, what's for dinner, You're gonna make me spiral.
Not able to concentrate for long periods of time, And
if I am able to concentrate, I haven't retained any
of that information, and that is obviously really hard prior
to being medicated. If you said, pick up a book
(14:47):
V and read it, you're joking, right, Like I can't.
Like I can read, but I can't read it, Like
the words would just go in one ear out the other,
and I couldn't comprehend any of it. And I mean,
obviously I am quish. I would say bubbly and bouncy,
and like that's just my personality. But like that can
(15:09):
come to a detriment as well, because I don't always
pick up on what other people are putting down. Like
sometimes I'm me and then I'm talking over you and
I'm not realizing that I'm doing that, and that's not
me being rude. Yeah, it's just I'm so excited to
tell you about this next thing that I was just
thinking about that I forgot that you needed to finish
your story.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I've got friends that I'm thinking about Yes, my friends,
I never get a word in with them.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yep. Sorry, they're probably a little bit neurospicy as.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Well, just on the neurospicy. It's so funny. I was
with my cousin on the weekend up in Sydney and
I said, to whom has a dating life going? And
he goes, oh, you know it's okay, And he said
the thing is, he goes, I just find that I'm
just really attracted to neurospicy women. And I'm like an icon.
Oh my god, tell me more, what is this?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Actually, this isn't one.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I'm just a phrase you've made.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's like a phrase. It's out there.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I think it's out there, Like I think it's out there,
but like it was specific to you. I thought Jess
made it up for a very long time, and then
I heard other people using it. I'm like, you're still
in Jestice language.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Okay, there we go.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I'll give it to Jess. She coined it five years ago.
But it's just not neurotypical.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, So like it's.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
A I don't know, is it nice? Like it's just
a more playful, fun wayring to be like on a
spectrum of some form because like we're not neurotypical. There's
something else going on, Like you will catch me in
this studio in between recordings with my feet up the wall,
laying on the floor, like I can't be trusted, like like,
and it's lucky I'm the boss of my own business,
(16:43):
because I would have already got fired. Victoria, what are
you doing. I'm just a bit touched out right now.
Please don't talk to me.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I reckon, though, that would be a great environment to
work in. I just reckon, if you could walk in
and there's your boss laying on the floor with their
feet on the wall.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It won't be surprising to find the just my team
are a little bit neurospicy, right we're in the in
the office because like and we're not just saying, oh,
we feel neurospicy, like they have official diagnosis and it's
like I have ADHD. A few of the team and
I'm obviously not going to name names, have autism, and
they call it having a little bit of the tism
(17:18):
like the then using that like you know, because like
some days, like you know, we've got girls in the
team that are dealing with, you know, having been really
high masking and now not having to do that because
I'm such a different I guess I won't say I'm
a different boss, but it's such a different environment. Like
I don't mind you're getting the work done. I don't
care how you're doing it. Yeah, yeah, like I could
(17:39):
not care less. That's that's fine by me. So them
learning how to manage themselves in this environment's a bit different.
So sometimes they come in and there having a great day.
Other days they're like feeling the tism today.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's just meaning they're.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Probably a little bit more touched out, a little bit
more sensitive. Good, I'm glad that you can come in
and tell me that and b are you great? Let
me know if you need anything.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Awesome to have a boss and understands.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's actually right up the wall, but.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Like that would be ideal for me in a work
situation to be. I mean, the other night, me and
T had a meeting with a friend of ours and
we're still doing like this little marketing meeting and I'm
shocking in meetings, like I'm like, what can we play?
What can we do? Can we start drawing? Can we
And you know, I'm putting it always been like that,
No I have Tony.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
You don't know she's she's been marking and hiding it
because it's been inappropriate to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Before the thing, right, So with the where was the
three of us?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
We talk a lot about personality types. Okay, So Lisa's
personality type is flegmatic. Steph was a high sanguine and
the sanguine is Lisa is now and I'm coleric. And
since Steph's left the mix.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Lisa's just adopted.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
She's become a seguine.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Someone else has been pushing her down and now I'm
out like putting me back.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
But I feel very phlegmatic by nature, Like my energy
is very calm, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Not a white.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
No, just like like not much bothers me, that kind
of thing. But then there's this other side, because when
we were looking at the personality types, I'm like, oh yeah,
the other part of me is definitely sang wine. So
I was always the person in class just mucking around, laughing,
getting kicked, just kicked out for laughing all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
In the hall.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, and when it.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Comes to meetings, I'm just like, can we just wear
crazy hats?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And so now you just bring in your crazy hats
and your crazy glass I just who mill hoops in last.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Week to say less, I've got them in the car.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I've been driving around with them and I'm like, the
who hoops, You're so shiny and sparkly, and they just
make me happy looking at them. I should actually drive
with my glasses on. But you know, this meeting that
we had the other night, and I'm like, this is
the best thing of it. This is the dream for me,
being able to sit in a meeting and put on
crazy glasses and then you know, we're talking, and then
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Tony's cat's on the table and we're playing with the cat,
and then we're talking.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
A body in me and I'm like, that's that's our
office is how to do like right now? And my
dog is under the table, yeah, and she's she's sleeping.
She's sleeping, sleeping. But she's got a ponytail and she
actually has a note tied to her collar because she's
been around the office today and people have put love
notes on her. So if that's a lot about our workplace,
(20:29):
I don't know what does.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
But I find, you know, we're seeing so many more
people with ADHD and autism, and for me, I just
think these people are authentic. These are the people that
are saying we're taking life too serious, we are covering
up the truth. You know, you often meet people with
autism and they just tell you how it is, and
you're like, oh god.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Such a spectrum though, right, And I think that for
a long time we had this stereotypical vision of what
that spectrum looked like. Yeah, we'd be like, oh that's
autistic and oh that's Asperger's and like you had these
ideas of what that is. But it's such a spectrum,
and now we're getting little inklings of that. You're like,
hold on, if I resonate with that, should I be
looking into that? And then you do, and it's like
(21:12):
a rabbit Warren. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I think so many people are doing that because you
might have somebody who tells you how it is, but
in every other aspect has learned what the quote social
norms are, so we'dhere to that. So you go, no,
they're not, and then you're like, hold on, deep down,
they definitely are. They've just learned what you expect of
them and have decided to adhere to that, which is exhausting.
For Yes, it's a journey, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, so you've got a son. How old your son?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
He's one, he's just turned one.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And mixing motherhood with work everything else, podcasting life would
be quite busy.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't know. Like a little bit you could say.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, so we've been there, done that. I've got three
lace it's got three kid.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
On three so bad, but like three pregnancies.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Now you have twin and then you get to everyone
googled it.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah. I also asked an IVF specialist that I did
a live with a little a few weeks ago, you
will add to IVF twins And she was like no,
And I was like, oh, I was just curious. I'd
never do that.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
If you're doing IVF, they will put more than two
eggs into you.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But I don't need IVF all right. I would like
the options apparently risk. I've just got stuff to do.
I'm a busy woman. You're telling me two outcomes, one pregnancy,
two birds. One stops say.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Less man, how do you find managing you know, being
a mom, having a young son, got a partner, business, everything.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I love it. And I think that I'm in this
phase of life where I am very lucky that the
work I do engages me and doesn't exhaust me. Like today,
I have been back to back podcasting and like I
only podcast on a Wednesday. That is it, Like I
don't do it for the rest of the week. And
I found this really great flow of being able to
switch on this personality. Dudes, yesterday I was in my
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mortgage broking office and I was doing admin all day.
You would have looked at me and been like, that
is a different human being, and that's okay. But I
think I found this flow of being like okay, on Mondays,
I'm mum and like I'm like, I'm not answering my phone.
It's not happening. And I found this flow and it's
working at the moment really well. There are ebbs and flows, though,
I mean, there are really busy periods. We've just gone
(23:30):
through International Women's Day and that's so exciting. But for me,
as a female who talks about empowerment all the time,
it's probably one of the busiest times of my year.
And that's great. But that did mean I was feeling
like I was putting my family on the back foot.
So I think when people are like, how do you
do it all, the reality is I don't it. Ebbs
and flows, and like I don't believe for me in
(23:52):
work life balance, it definitely exists, but at the end
of the day, I'm not a salaried employee where clock
on and clock off. I actually own the businesses and
have a lot more responsibilities than most people. And that's fine,
But that means sometimes I'm going to be selfish and
tell everybody in my business, sorry, my phone's off. If
you've got a problem, go and ask someone else and
organize this and only call me if it's an emergency.
(24:14):
And other times I'm like saying to my family, look,
I'm going to be home late. Sorry about that. So
it's all about just balancing how often those things happen
and make sure that we're all happy with it, as
opposed to going yeah, no, my work life balance is great.
I'm home by five, Like that's not necessarily going to
work for me.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah. My first thought was, Okay, you have your business. Yes,
sorry your talk's rubbing his face?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah ga way if you pat Lucy, I've shown her
that you are friends.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Right, Okay? Is that why she's going away? Stop paying?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
We're definitely getting a photo with her, for sure. I've
got glasses for her as well.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
She'll wear them too. She wears the podcasting help like
headphones sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So yeah, so I'm like, obviously, my first thought was
you have your business, so you would work that Monday
to Friday. But clearly that isn't the case because Wednesday's
like you said, your podcast all day. And then so
do you have a day that you say, I'm home
today with my son? This is my Mondays, which is Mondays?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, and then and then you have all these outside
engagements as well in between.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I have a very thoughtful and very generous with his
time husband, but I am usually pretty strict on outside
engagements to be honest, Like, if we are going to
do something, it needs to fall within the parameters that
I have because otherwise it's a you guys would know this.
You have kids, like it's right, mayh and you want
to do these things, but sometimes you just have to
(25:39):
say no. And does that mean a miss out? Sometimes
yes it does, but that is just the cost of
trying to do it all, Like you can't have everything
all at once. Yeah, and that's fine. And so I
think some things, especially this year, I've had to be like,
oh no, I can't go to that thing, or I
can't just fly up to Sydney to do that, and
that would be a great opportunity. But sorry, I just think, okay, cool,
(26:01):
But that's an opportunity that once you know, Harvey's of
an age where he's at school or what, I can
say yes to those things again like I'm not sorry, Yeah,
my cart don't mind.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So yeah, it's it's an ebb and flow kind of thing.
But it's all about working it out. But you know,
I think a lot of people would be and it's
not it's not a flex like this isn't a flex.
This isn't like a cool thing to brag about. But
I think a lot of people would be shocked at
the hours that I do work ultimately, and like how
online I chronically am Like I'm up at six, I'm
(26:34):
working from six till nine, and then I'm recording in
the podcast studio from nine till three. I don't stop
at three, like we've got this. So after three on
a Wednesday, I have the ability to do like guest
episodes or like other things. I might do a zoom
interview or whatever, try and pack any media into that day,
and then I will one hundred percent be out of
this office by five because it's my day to pick
(26:54):
up heart V from daycare. But the second I'm at daycare,
my phone's in my bag and I don't touch it
again because like that's his time. Yeah, and so I've
been quite I just really don't want to be that
mum that my son sees me with a phone in
my hand and sees that as a barrier of communication.
And I just I'm quite purposeful about that, and I'm
(27:15):
quite purposeful about how he shows up on social media
and I don't show him. I showed that I'm a mum, Yeah,
but like I don't show my kid on social media.
And that's fine, but I think you do have to
set your own boundaries and work out what you're comfortable
with and what you're not because if you're not comfortable,
and that goes back to what we're talking about, you know,
showing up authentically online. If you're not comfortable, you're going
to become burnt out so quickly and then you're not
(27:38):
going to be able to show up for anyone, not
even yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
So yeah, it's an EBB and flow and yeah, yeah,
like if you broke it down, it would be psychotic.
But I love it, so yeah, let me continue the place.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Yeah. Actually sounds like you put so much thought into
how you live your life and creating these boundaries, and
I think that's amazing. I mean, give him, how old
are you now?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I'm thirty for nearly thirty four? Yeah, free and keep
telling people I'm older than I actually am.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You do that now, trust me, when you're get in
your fifties, I'll take a few years off.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
When my mum turned fifty, she's like, I'm twenty five
for the second time. Okay, that's not how that works.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I'm going to remember that I've already hit the fifty mark,
but I'm going to remember sixty thirty for the second time.
This is That's exactly right. We've got more to come
with Victoria Devine. Stay tuned for our next episode.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Our guest in this episode is Victoria Divine. She's the
creator of a personal finance platform for millennial women and
host of the award winning podcast She's on the Money.
First of all, Victoria, we want to say welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thank you for having me have fun.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
We have a little gift. No, yes, we have a
gift for all.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I guess Oh, I love for you.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It's just so cute.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
This is her. I've realized this is her love language.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I love giving, not so much. I'm happy to receive,
don't be wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just love to give.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I'm the same. I'm the same. To open it now, yeah,
they have done it? Okay, okay, So I've been given
a brown box. That's it's a nondescript brown boy.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
There's a bit of sticky tape there. If you rip
that story, does it not open? No? Yeah, Okay, it does,
it does, know, but you just gotta rip the box
now if you do it that way, but I don't
want to if you undo the sticky tape.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Gentle, our male guests were not this gentle.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
How easy that was.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I'm sorry for trying it other way. Now I'm scared
it's breakable. Hold on, hold, I've got a mug with
your faces on. I love this. This is my like,
this is going to be officially my studio mug because
we actually record in the same studio. That's what I'm
going to put it on display here.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Oh, we love that. We love that. Now that design
was by my son. My son designed that.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I love this.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I can't even tell which one is which.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I hope.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
One because it's got glasses.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
The other one does.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So there's the first give that was how did you know?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Hell? But the thing is the reason this one is
actually very special is that you are the first person
to get that mug. Everybody else before you get the
mud No, they did, but they received the old one
because we had to get rid of the they've got
the crack munks.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I got good mug.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Well they got well, they're limited edition.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
We called them at a edition. We don't want to
call them crat mugs. We just told them they were
limited edition.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, you've got that. That's what I do all of
my old branding for sheees On the money, I was like,
this is a limited edition notebook. I will never again
print these, not because it has the old logo on
this limited that's limited edition. I pay a lot of
money for this, which I mean, how could you put
a value on this?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, true, we have in the past. We did for
like twenty bucks.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
That is, you know, if I'm selling merchrom more than
twenty bucks. Yeah, well, we get time, energy and effort
goes into creating.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Actually that's actually why I've never done.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It is actually an interview for you as our marketing manager.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So you've got the job, don't.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I don't do much, so I'm very actually not actually
able to talk about this, but I will. And if
you do something with confidence, people will believe it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That's true. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And that was actually a question that I wanted to
ask you about confidence because you just have incredible confidence
and do I yes, okay, did you say it's fine?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Absolutely? Oh yeah, yeah, like you not but on.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Your okay, on your Instagram. Now, I know that things can.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Be created on my Instagram, do you know I don't.
That's not a examples, just stories.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I find that you're very authentic and you're like, this
is my life and this is what I'm doing, and
you know you've obviously I can't be.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I love that. I feel good about doing stuff in
a box.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
About how much time, energy and ef it goes into
curating a beautiful feed. Yeah, we don't have time for
that in.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
House, no tell me, but that's what I can see
on your Insta stories. I feel it's very real. You know,
you do the Marley Spoon. I do the Marley I do.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I love a Marley Spoon moment. But even they don't
get creative control over my content.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
No, Like I say, so, you're Marley Spoon. I'm audible.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Oh I love that. I know you do, and I
love that.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I'm an audible person. I haven't had time to read books.
I listened to them in the car. You cook your book, Well,
hang on, I could do that to us, but I
listened to them in the car. I don't have time
to read them. So but I'm just thinking we've both
got a connection to Victoria on that level.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, I work with Audible, I work with Marley Spoon exactly.
I love it, Yeah, I do. But like I do
apologize for anyone who works with me because it's.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Rogue, but we love that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Like I don't think they, especially Marley Spoon, I don't
think they saw what was coming coming when I started
posting that my husband was going to do all the cooking.
I think they were probably like, that's not what we
signed up for. But I was like, you get what you.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Get, but there's one that's who's the lady that's in
with you Jess at the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, we cooked lunch together the other day in my kitchen,
which honestly was really impressive because the time we cooked
together prior to this recipe that we film, I actually
set the kitchen on file.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
She said that, what the hell I did?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I did do so it's just like not peak COVID,
but like coming out of COVID and you when you know,
when the vodka RIGATONI, like the Bella had did TONI
was going around social media. Everybody was making it. So
we decided Jess and I were going to do a
live Instagram together and we were going to cook the
vodka Rigatoni, and we were going to do that because
(05:50):
our community wanted a cheap eat and like at the time,
we're doing this cheap eat series on our on our podcast,
and we had sent a recipe out to our community
and said, look, along with us, Jess and they are
going to go live at seven pm. They're going to
cook the same dinner. You guys can cook along. It'll
be like friends cooking in the kitchen together. Because during
COVID we were all a little bit dululu at the time,
(06:11):
that seemed like a good idea.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I can already picture it was about to happen. Vodka
in the kitchen cooking.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Bam, he's got it.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I've got it, You've got it, You've got it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
But to make it better, it's me telling look, you
really should turn off your cook top because we're dealing
with alcohol and alcohol and flames. Don't like it could
set up in flames. And so I'm like trying to
do the Instagram thing, trying to chop my onions, which
I should have pre prepared, like I should have done
a whole like I don't know, like a Marley Spoon
(06:41):
moment with all my pretty little containers.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Like Julle Sebastian. She has everything ready to go exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I could have been huey, but I was. And so
I'm there, I'm like friends looking chopping an onion, trying
to like do this, trying to do that, and I
just tell everybody be careful with the vodka. It could
set a light. So I tip the vod and I
turned back to the camera and behind me the stove
and Jess goes, you're on fire, and I go, thanks,
(07:10):
not what I mean? Yeah, And I had to turn
around and thankfully I was good under pressure.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Oh man, how did you bite it out?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I just took it off the heat.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Obviously, it was just no.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I just I took it off the heat and continued
to cook.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That deal.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
But yeah, it was like I would not look at
my Instagram content and be like, wow, she's so curated.
That's just not what you're going to get from me
if you've never met me before.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And that's how I felt looking at your thing. I'm like,
it looks beautiful your Instagram page, but then when you
actually click on the videos, there's actually this very that's playful.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
That's that's yeah, it's kind of like I've got to
deceive a little bit. First impression, you were like, oh,
this's got stuff together, and then you're going through my
story highlights and you're like, it's just slipping well.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And what I love what you do is that you
obviously talk about something that can be very serious and
quite dry, which is financing.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
It is very dry, but you bring.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Such a playful, fun thank you kind of silly, cheeky
sort of if.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You can't have it, But how did you?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Was that a decision that you made that if you
were going to talk about finances, that it had to
be fun.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
No, I think like my journey into the finance realm
a couple of different ways. So like, firstly, on a
personal note, I was in astronomical personal debt, like I
was so good at spending. Oh, like it was a game.
It was a game. It turns out the game, this
game you don't want to win.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm not going to win.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
No, No, I didn't actually win, which was kind of
bullshit because I was really good at it forty thousand
dollars worth of consudet and managed to get myself out
of that, and along that journey discovered financial advice and
the impact that had on people because it was having
it on me. But prior to that, I worked in psychology,
so I have two psych degrees, and then I went
(09:13):
on to do my MBA, and so I have I
would say in retrospect, not at the time, but in retrospect,
I would say that I had an ability or still
do hopefully to marry psychology and money, because money is
inherently emotional. And if I'm just talking to you about
the facts, no one cares about the facts like that,
why do they say that? Don't let the facts get
(09:33):
in the way of a good story, Like why would
you say that if facts were interesting? So for me,
it was really about helping people connect with their why
and doing that. But then I also have ADHD, so
I would say that that chaoticness and the playfulness that
you're talking about, that's just actually me as a human being.
And for a long time I was trying to be
(09:54):
perfectly curated and have these beautiful Instagram posts, and I
found that a lot of people would, you know, like
our content, that's fantastic, and they'd be like, oh my god,
Like I went to one of your workshops, you are
so brogue. I love you so much more now, and
so over time I learned that maybe people do want
to see more of me, even though that's not what
had been role modeled for me on social media. So
(10:18):
it's taken a long time to get to where I
am in terms of like just being very happy to share,
Like I'm on my Instagram stories with no makeup. I'm
on my Instagram stories walking my dog. Last night I
was making mashed potato for my son, Like, nothing is
polished or perfect, but it is authentic and I won't
lie and say, oh, just turn up as you're acthentic self.
It's well, ye see, that was hard to get to
(10:40):
and it did take a lot of Like if you
scroll far enough back in my thing, you'll be like, oh,
this is a very pretty feed. The mental hoops I
had to go through to be like, what do I post?
How do I make it aesthetic?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Well?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
What other people like? Nobody even cared? Now for some reason,
you guys want to see me mash sweet potato when
how much of it my baby ate?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, pop off, queens.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I don't get it, but I'm not going to argue.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Actually, you just mentioned that you have ADHD. How many
people have we spoken to so far.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I feel like nearly every guess that we really doesn't
have ADHD nowadays. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I'm starting to think I do because of my silliness.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
But yours is you're getting towards menopause. I've just come
out of menopause. Really, yeah, I don't feel like that
journey has just been ADHD plus ADHD.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I feel like it definitely has been normalized in like
the best possible way. I am kind of on the
flip side. I got diagnosed at eighteen and I'm now
thirty four nearly, so I've been diagnosed for a very
long time. Before it was cool, like I was getting
my medication, popping them out of all of the things
and putting them into the panadoll box so that nobody
(11:49):
knew I was taking Riddil, and I would lie through
my teeth because I found it so embarrassing, and like,
I just thought that if I told you I had ADHD,
you would assume that I was the annoying kid in
grade three who was leaning back on their chair and
being yelled at and going into detention. And that's just
not how it manifests in women. And I think that
I'm lucky I got diagnosed early, and I think that
(12:10):
I owe that that success that I've had to the
early diagnosis because I was able to kind of control
it and deal with it. But now because people are
talking about it, I remember being like, should like my
whole team knew, right because I am rogue. Like my
team before I even told them, I had ADHD who's
(12:32):
worked worked for me for like five years now. She's like,
I mean she was talking to somebody else, but I
was like present, yeah, like I would call her neurospicy
and I was like, thanks, Gabe, I do have ADHD,
so that makes sense, and she's like, do you have
You not picked this up anyway, So the team knew
(12:53):
before I had told them, But it did feel, even
you know, a couple of years ago, a little bit
taboo to talk about because I was like, are they
going to get it? They gonna think I'm crazy? Yeah,
And that's not the reality of it, because it definitely
manifests is very different in women. But I'm just I'm
so glad that so many people are being diagnosed because
I can't imagine what my life like, how hard life
(13:14):
would have been for me without medication, Like without diagnosed it, Like,
I don't think I would have been able to be
who I am and do what I do because yeah,
without it, it just wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, Okay, my daughter who's twenty seven, should between eight
this year, she's just been diagnosed on the spectrum. My
justest who drew that, Yeah, he's on the spectrum as well.
I've got three kids.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Diagnos talent you can tell, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, like
that's that's a compliment, but you don't get that talent.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
But my daughter is the same artistic, like you would
not believe I'm so good.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. I love it, and I
just yeah, I think it's just more prevalent, and like
the more people are talking about it, the more people
are resonating with it. Me, like, maybe I should talk
to my doctor.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
So what are the symptoms in women in particular for eighth.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Obviously it's very different for each person, but it's kind
of that for me, if I'm not medicated, I forget
everything out of sight, out of mind. If you tell
me something, I very gleefully agree that the past, like
we've forgotten that very bouncy between things. Can't make a
(14:25):
decision to save my life, decision analysis paralysis, Like if
you say, V, what's for dinner, You're gonna make me spiral.
Not able to concentrate for long periods of time, And
if I am able to concentrate, I haven't retained any
of that information, and that is obviously really hard prior
to being medicated. If you said, pick up a book
(14:47):
V and read it, you're joking, right, Like I can't.
Like I can read, but I can't read it, Like
the words would just go in one ear out the other,
and I couldn't comprehend any of it. And I mean,
obviously I am quish. I would say bubbly and bouncy,
and like that's just my personality. But like that can
(15:09):
come to a detriment as well, because I don't always
pick up on what other people are putting down. Like
sometimes I'm me and then I'm talking over you and
I'm not realizing that I'm doing that, and that's not
me being rude. Yeah, it's just I'm so excited to
tell you about this next thing that I was just
thinking about that I forgot that you needed to finish
your story.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I've got friends that I'm thinking about Yes, my friends,
I never get a word in with them.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yep. Sorry, they're probably a little bit neurospicy as.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Well, just on the neurospicy. It's so funny. I was
with my cousin on the weekend up in Sydney and
I said, to whom has a dating life going? And
he goes, oh, you know it's okay, And he said
the thing is, he goes, I just find that I'm
just really attracted to neurospicy women. And I'm like an icon.
Oh my god, tell me more, what is this?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Actually, this isn't one.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I'm just a phrase you've made.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's like a phrase. It's out there.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I think it's out there, Like I think it's out there,
but like it was specific to you. I thought Jess
made it up for a very long time, and then
I heard other people using it. I'm like, you're still
in Jestice language.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Okay, there we go.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I'll give it to Jess. She coined it five years ago.
But it's just not neurotypical.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, So like it's.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
A I don't know, is it nice? Like it's just
a more playful, fun wayring to be like on a
spectrum of some form because like we're not neurotypical. There's
something else going on, Like you will catch me in
this studio in between recordings with my feet up the wall,
laying on the floor, like I can't be trusted, like like,
and it's lucky I'm the boss of my own business,
(16:43):
because I would have already got fired. Victoria, what are
you doing. I'm just a bit touched out right now.
Please don't talk to me.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I reckon, though, that would be a great environment to
work in. I just reckon, if you could walk in
and there's your boss laying on the floor with their
feet on the wall.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It won't be surprising to find the just my team
are a little bit neurospicy, right we're in the in
the office because like and we're not just saying, oh,
we feel neurospicy, like they have official diagnosis and it's
like I have ADHD. A few of the team and
I'm obviously not going to name names, have autism, and
they call it having a little bit of the tism
(17:18):
like the then using that like you know, because like
some days, like you know, we've got girls in the
team that are dealing with, you know, having been really
high masking and now not having to do that because
I'm such a different I guess I won't say I'm
a different boss, but it's such a different environment. Like
I don't mind you're getting the work done. I don't
care how you're doing it. Yeah, yeah, like I could
(17:39):
not care less. That's that's fine by me. So them
learning how to manage themselves in this environment's a bit different.
So sometimes they come in and there having a great day.
Other days they're like feeling the tism today.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's just meaning they're.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Probably a little bit more touched out, a little bit
more sensitive. Good, I'm glad that you can come in
and tell me that and b are you great? Let
me know if you need anything.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Awesome to have a boss and understands.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's actually right up the wall, but.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Like that would be ideal for me in a work
situation to be. I mean, the other night, me and
T had a meeting with a friend of ours and
we're still doing like this little marketing meeting and I'm
shocking in meetings, like I'm like, what can we play?
What can we do? Can we start drawing? Can we
And you know, I'm putting it always been like that,
No I have Tony.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
You don't know she's she's been marking and hiding it
because it's been inappropriate to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Before the thing, right, So with the where was the
three of us?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
We talk a lot about personality types. Okay, So Lisa's
personality type is flegmatic. Steph was a high sanguine and
the sanguine is Lisa is now and I'm coleric. And
since Steph's left the mix.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Lisa's just adopted.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
She's become a seguine.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Someone else has been pushing her down and now I'm
out like putting me back.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
But I feel very phlegmatic by nature, Like my energy
is very calm, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Not a white.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
No, just like like not much bothers me, that kind
of thing. But then there's this other side, because when
we were looking at the personality types, I'm like, oh yeah,
the other part of me is definitely sang wine. So
I was always the person in class just mucking around, laughing,
getting kicked, just kicked out for laughing all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
In the hall.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, and when it.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Comes to meetings, I'm just like, can we just wear
crazy hats?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And so now you just bring in your crazy hats
and your crazy glass I just who mill hoops in last.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Week to say less, I've got them in the car.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I've been driving around with them and I'm like, the
who hoops, You're so shiny and sparkly, and they just
make me happy looking at them. I should actually drive
with my glasses on. But you know, this meeting that
we had the other night, and I'm like, this is
the best thing of it. This is the dream for me,
being able to sit in a meeting and put on
crazy glasses and then you know, we're talking, and then
(20:03):
Tony's cat's on the table and we're playing with the cat,
and then we're talking.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
A body in me and I'm like, that's that's our
office is how to do like right now? And my
dog is under the table, yeah, and she's she's sleeping.
She's sleeping, sleeping. But she's got a ponytail and she
actually has a note tied to her collar because she's
been around the office today and people have put love
notes on her. So if that's a lot about our workplace,
(20:29):
I don't know what does.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
But I find, you know, we're seeing so many more
people with ADHD and autism, and for me, I just
think these people are authentic. These are the people that
are saying we're taking life too serious, we are covering
up the truth. You know, you often meet people with
autism and they just tell you how it is, and
you're like, oh god.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Such a spectrum though, right, And I think that for
a long time we had this stereotypical vision of what
that spectrum looked like. Yeah, we'd be like, oh that's
autistic and oh that's Asperger's and like you had these
ideas of what that is. But it's such a spectrum,
and now we're getting little inklings of that. You're like,
hold on, if I resonate with that, should I be
looking into that? And then you do, and it's like
(21:12):
a rabbit Warren. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I think so many people are doing that because you
might have somebody who tells you how it is, but
in every other aspect has learned what the quote social
norms are, so we'dhere to that. So you go, no,
they're not, and then you're like, hold on, deep down,
they definitely are. They've just learned what you expect of
them and have decided to adhere to that, which is exhausting.
For Yes, it's a journey, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, so you've got a son. How old your son?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
He's one, he's just turned one.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And mixing motherhood with work everything else, podcasting life would
be quite busy.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't know. Like a little bit you could say.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, so we've been there, done that. I've got three
lace it's got three kid.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
On three so bad, but like three pregnancies.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Now you have twin and then you get to everyone
googled it.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah. I also asked an IVF specialist that I did
a live with a little a few weeks ago, you
will add to IVF twins And she was like no,
And I was like, oh, I was just curious. I'd
never do that.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
If you're doing IVF, they will put more than two
eggs into you.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But I don't need IVF all right. I would like
the options apparently risk. I've just got stuff to do.
I'm a busy woman. You're telling me two outcomes, one pregnancy,
two birds. One stops say.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Less man, how do you find managing you know, being
a mom, having a young son, got a partner, business, everything.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I love it. And I think that I'm in this
phase of life where I am very lucky that the
work I do engages me and doesn't exhaust me. Like today,
I have been back to back podcasting and like I
only podcast on a Wednesday. That is it, Like I
don't do it for the rest of the week. And
I found this really great flow of being able to
switch on this personality. Dudes, yesterday I was in my
(23:09):
mortgage broking office and I was doing admin all day.
You would have looked at me and been like, that
is a different human being, and that's okay. But I
think I found this flow of being like okay, on Mondays,
I'm mum and like I'm like, I'm not answering my phone.
It's not happening. And I found this flow and it's
working at the moment really well. There are ebbs and flows, though,
I mean, there are really busy periods. We've just gone
(23:30):
through International Women's Day and that's so exciting. But for me,
as a female who talks about empowerment all the time,
it's probably one of the busiest times of my year.
And that's great. But that did mean I was feeling
like I was putting my family on the back foot.
So I think when people are like, how do you
do it all, the reality is I don't it. Ebbs
and flows, and like I don't believe for me in
(23:52):
work life balance, it definitely exists, but at the end
of the day, I'm not a salaried employee where clock
on and clock off. I actually own the businesses and
have a lot more responsibilities than most people. And that's fine,
But that means sometimes I'm going to be selfish and
tell everybody in my business, sorry, my phone's off. If
you've got a problem, go and ask someone else and
organize this and only call me if it's an emergency.
(24:14):
And other times I'm like saying to my family, look,
I'm going to be home late. Sorry about that. So
it's all about just balancing how often those things happen
and make sure that we're all happy with it, as
opposed to going yeah, no, my work life balance is great.
I'm home by five, Like that's not necessarily going to
work for me.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah. My first thought was, Okay, you have your business. Yes,
sorry your talk's rubbing his face?
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah ga way if you pat Lucy, I've shown her
that you are friends.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Right, Okay? Is that why she's going away? Stop paying?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
We're definitely getting a photo with her, for sure. I've
got glasses for her as well.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
She'll wear them too. She wears the podcasting help like
headphones sometimes.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So yeah, so I'm like, obviously, my first thought was
you have your business, so you would work that Monday
to Friday. But clearly that isn't the case because Wednesday's
like you said, your podcast all day. And then so
do you have a day that you say, I'm home
today with my son? This is my Mondays, which is Mondays?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, and then and then you have all these outside
engagements as well in between.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I have a very thoughtful and very generous with his
time husband, but I am usually pretty strict on outside
engagements to be honest, Like, if we are going to
do something, it needs to fall within the parameters that
I have because otherwise it's a you guys would know this.
You have kids, like it's right, mayh and you want
to do these things, but sometimes you just have to
(25:39):
say no. And does that mean a miss out? Sometimes
yes it does, but that is just the cost of
trying to do it all, Like you can't have everything
all at once. Yeah, and that's fine. And so I
think some things, especially this year, I've had to be like,
oh no, I can't go to that thing, or I
can't just fly up to Sydney to do that, and
that would be a great opportunity. But sorry, I just think, okay, cool,
(26:01):
But that's an opportunity that once you know, Harvey's of
an age where he's at school or what, I can
say yes to those things again like I'm not sorry, Yeah,
my cart don't mind.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So yeah, it's it's an ebb and flow kind of thing.
But it's all about working it out. But you know,
I think a lot of people would be and it's
not it's not a flex like this isn't a flex.
This isn't like a cool thing to brag about. But
I think a lot of people would be shocked at
the hours that I do work ultimately, and like how
online I chronically am Like I'm up at six, I'm
(26:34):
working from six till nine, and then I'm recording in
the podcast studio from nine till three. I don't stop
at three, like we've got this. So after three on
a Wednesday, I have the ability to do like guest
episodes or like other things. I might do a zoom
interview or whatever, try and pack any media into that day,
and then I will one hundred percent be out of
this office by five because it's my day to pick
(26:54):
up heart V from daycare. But the second I'm at daycare,
my phone's in my bag and I don't touch it
again because like that's his time. Yeah, and so I've
been quite I just really don't want to be that
mum that my son sees me with a phone in
my hand and sees that as a barrier of communication.
And I just I'm quite purposeful about that, and I'm
(27:15):
quite purposeful about how he shows up on social media
and I don't show him. I showed that I'm a mum, Yeah,
but like I don't show my kid on social media.
And that's fine, but I think you do have to
set your own boundaries and work out what you're comfortable
with and what you're not because if you're not comfortable,
and that goes back to what we're talking about, you know,
showing up authentically online. If you're not comfortable, you're going
to become burnt out so quickly and then you're not
(27:38):
going to be able to show up for anyone, not
even yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
So yeah, it's an EBB and flow and yeah, yeah,
like if you broke it down, it would be psychotic.
But I love it, so yeah, let me continue the place.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Yeah. Actually sounds like you put so much thought into
how you live your life and creating these boundaries, and
I think that's amazing. I mean, give him, how old
are you now?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I'm thirty for nearly thirty four? Yeah, free and keep
telling people I'm older than I actually am.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
You do that now, trust me, when you're get in
your fifties, I'll take a few years off.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
When my mum turned fifty, she's like, I'm twenty five
for the second time. Okay, that's not how that works.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I'm going to remember that I've already hit the fifty mark,
but I'm going to remember sixty thirty for the second time.
This is That's exactly right. We've got more to come
with Victoria Devine. Stay tuned for our next episode.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
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