May 6, 2025 • 32 mins
Woody Whitelaw is one half of the KIIS Network Drive Time Show Will and Woody.
He speaks openly about how in his early days he was a bit on the flakey side but how marriage and fatherhood has changed him. What it's like raising 2 year daughter, Remi, who is very head strong and the love and admiration he has for his wife Mim.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Every day brings a new story. The life isn't perfect,
but it's perfectly ours, with raw conversations, inspiring stories and
laugh until you cry moments we hit them. I unpack
it all and figure it out together, one episode at
a time. This is Life as we know It, unfiltered,
with Tony Tanalia and Lisa Cameron.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Joining us in this episode. Woody whitelaw one half of
the Kiss Network Drive show, Will and Woody. We hope
you enjoy our chat with him. So one thing that
we do with all our guests, I should actually rephrase it,
with all our guests, we give them a little gift.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Oh kiss them.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We don't do anything specific. Lisa might kiss them, but
if you know so, we've got a little gift for you.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh thank you so much. That is so incredibly With a.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Sticky tape, is going to be easier to open.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
It there, Yeah, just kept so everyone gets a gift.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You're not that special.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
They spoke spoke, well, well, this one is.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
A limited edition. He opens the box, gets the sticky tape.
Bit no, he just rips. So this one's actually a
limited edition because there's no longer three of us.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Right, Okay, So that's that's more special to have.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
This is vintage and because we haven't we haven't ordered
all the new ones yet, right, Okay, so we get
rid of the old ones first.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I very much appreciate that you so much. What did
happen to Steph? We do we talk about that?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh? Yeah, we talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, she has moved on.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Things got pretty hectic for Steph. So Steph in the
last few years, got married, had a baby. Beautiful Jim
Demi's now one, and you know how old.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Is your little girl too?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
She was two in October, right, so you know what
it's like to have a little toddler.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Absolutely, it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
STEP's going through all that at the moment they're setting
up a new business.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, she's just she's just got a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
In conscious uncoupling from the podcast to the point.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yeah, but I mean she messages this morning just say
she'd been listening to the episodes and she's so happy
with how things going for us, and yeah, she's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
She'll love this head. This will be her favorite. Expect
bolk text messages from Steff after this, after this magic between.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Guest of guests.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
That's the text you'll receive. Absolutely. I mean, it's a
team effort. It's all three of us just on fire together.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
This is it. Thank you for joining.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Us, of course, thank you for inviting me on.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Apparently, according to Lisa, we invited you on a few
years ago and you never turned up. I don't remember that, and.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
So it's interesting to say that because I feel like
it was broad have me going on the podcast and
I reckon. I was probably knowing what kind of headspace
I was in at that stage a couple of years
ago when I joined the Drive Show and first joined aarn,
I was quite flippant, no really single, and I wouldn't
know what was happening in the next hour of my life,
let alone the next day of my life. And it
(03:12):
felt I was probably a pretty flaky guy. And so
with my best intentions, I would have been like, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
I'll do a podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
But then like didn't have a calendar. I didn't like.
I just don't like.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I didn't like booking anything in This is going to
sound really weird, but I used to live my life
not liking booking anything in advance because I didn't know
how I would be feeling at that time in the future. Now,
that's a shocking way to live because you just end
up doing nothing.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
You're just quite an annoying person to be around.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
But I'm sure I would have said, like, yeah, absolutely,
But did I actually do we locking a time?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I don't remember a time is convinced we did.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I hope we didn't, because I think if we locked
in the time, I would have showed up.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I forgot I remember, and I'm pretty sure Steph will
back me up on.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
See, I thought Steph was with me that she didn't
remember locking him in.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I thought she did say that she did.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And we're in the studio.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You have his vendetta against me.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Just making up stories about everything.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Really well, if we did lock any time, I am sorry.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
If I do make a commitment to something, I do
like that I stick to those commitments. But anyway, it's
been four years since the potential me stating you guys,
up here we are and here we are, and I
want to build up that.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
The question now is is the waight worth it?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well, I'll tell you at the end of maybe Oh sorry,
you guys tell me.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
You know, yeah, but that's you know, just speaking about
you feeling flaky and not wanting to book things in
and everything like that. I definitely noticed a shift in you,
and I feel like it since you've been with Mim.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Would you, yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I was very unhappy, like as in like, I've always
been a very up and a bad kind of guy.
But during those single years, it's not for me personally,
it wasn't. I was chasing the wrong things to get
my happiness from. I think, and I think, until you
find the things in life that you actually satisfy you
(05:15):
and make you feel good, which has been a loving
relationship with Mim. It's been the birth of my daughter, Remy,
and like this, like, ah, this is what like being
happy feels like, and this is what you know, feeling
fulfilled feels like. Whereas during those more flaky years single
in my twenties, just chasing the wrong things, and.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, it's when you're in it.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I don't think I realized that I was unhappy, But
it's only looking back at it that you're like, oh
you would You were not very happy and you were
quite sad, and you were chasing these little dopamine hits
whichever way you could. And I think that all kind
of links in with the whole I don't want to
lock anything in, yeah kind of thing, because I was
(05:59):
a bit up and down as well, where I'm like,
I'm up and about and I'll go do this, But
the idea of oh, let's look lock in this next week,
I'll be like, I might be having a bit of
a downer next week. So I'm not sure if I
want to engage in that. But Bim comes into my
life and it's just it's it's it's such a wholesome
life with her now as well, Like she just makes
(06:20):
me laugh so much, and like hanging out you feel
totally complete, and hanging out with my daughter is just
just brings me so much joy and like it's so
it's so difficult at times as well, difficult in what
way having having a two year old girl, like the
tantrums and the time that.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It takes till she hit sixteen.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
People keep saying that it's all.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You wait, and it's only one at this point as well,
so you.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Know, if we're lucky enough to have more kids, then
obviously it just gets harder and harder.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
But again, like the difficulty of it.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Is kind of white me so happy, though as well,
because I forget who said this to me, but I
think it was actually Hamish Blake said to me. He said,
if you were describing a mate as someone who just
decided to wake you up in the middle of the
night every now and then would ship in their pants
and then expect you to clean up that ship and
then would just yell at you to feed you, like
(07:19):
you're literally describing the worst companion possible. But this is
how you describe your child like a toddler, and you
love them so much.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Bring it on? Do it again to you? To keep
doing this?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, I do some pretty strange stuff to get me actually,
Like I I'll suck boogers out of her nose. I'm
totally fine with it.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah I never did that, but I have heard of
friends that did do that.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
That's totally comfortable with it.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
But remember long boogers that would come out.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, yeah, long boogers.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
If I don't have a tissue on hand, but I'm
straight in my mouth, I've ricked up.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I've looked up a little bit of it. Oh yeah,
because Remy was a big vomit. But you know, you
know the baby bombs. It's just like it's milky. You know,
it's pretty much brest milk.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
You can lick that up.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
It's just if you're in the situation where you don't
have a paper tail, you deposed just like I just
look it up.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I always, I've always It's like it's like she's just
an extension of me. I've always viewed her.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
There's a limit my body.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Stop.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, I just haven't found that point.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So what's it like being a dad of a little girl?
What's the phrase a girl daddy?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
What's afraid girl daddy? Ye daddy, I'll take girl daddy,
So I reckon. I think before having.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Remy, I had this idea in my head of what
it was going to be like to have a boy
compared to what it was going to be like to
have a girl.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
And you know, I was playing into gender stereotypes there.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And you know, I had thoughts in my head of like, oh,
you know, going to a game of footie with my
son and it was my son there, you know, kicking
the footy with my son. And then it was going, oh,
seeing my daughter in a beautiful dress, and isn't that
gorgeous and beautiful? But it's funny now that I've actually
got to know Remi in her two years.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
That's just it's just not the case.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
It's you know, I'll kick the footy with her, I
will wrestle with her, like we'll cover each other in
mud and look for dinosaurs together, which I think originally
I was like, oh, I thought.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
That was what i'd do with a with a boy.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
But that's just and it's beautiful that moving forward. It's like,
I think there's less expectation on males and females to
be a certain way. So so for me now and
also knowing having been through pregnancy and birth and knowing
that that can go badly, and you know, any child
that you have is an absolute gift now for meat,
gender is just like a I don't care boy or girl.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
If they're healthy, happy, that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And and that's a lot of parents. That's a lot
of parents are like that. After baby number one comes along, yeah,
you know, as long as this child is healthy, and
especially when you're going through issues with pregnancy or whatever else,
not even just the pregnant, like you know, giving birth,
it's it's the whole, you know, conceiving and the morning
sickness and then you know all the other little issues
that come along as well. You forget all about that
(10:18):
when the baby's born.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Oh yeah, everything just fades away.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, but even like even like away from childbirth stuff,
it's just like the small things that I used to
stress about or worry about, just yes, so insignificant.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And do you wonder now what you used to do
with your time? You're always so busy And now it's like,
what the hell was I doing with my time before?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Right? How was I yelling? In days?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Like?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
What actually was I doing? Even before work? Because I
get into work at like twelve thirty, I was like,
what did I used to do?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Everyone?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I wasn't achieving anything though. That's the other things you'd
think looking back, like it's so much time to achieve
all this stuff, But.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You didn't know you did. I don't know what you did.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
No, but you become you become more more efficient with
a You've.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Got too efficient and grateful for time as well.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
So I find now that if I know, if I
do have time to go out and see a friend
or something, have dinner with a friend, I think previously
it which is like I didning with a friend whatever, it's.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Just another night.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Whereas now it's like you're also it's funny with the
birth of your child, you can't help but think about
your impending mortality as well as something about like the
circle of life there where it's like you coming into
the world as all of a sudden made me think
about the fact that I'm going to die one day
and so so now not only with the limited time
and being more grateful for like seeing their friend for dinner,
you're also like, this isn't going to happen forever. This
(11:38):
is really this is really special now when you do
things outside.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Of that, and you may have been a bit of
a rebel before and maybe taken more risks with things
that you would do. Now you think twice, you.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Know, yeah, because there's people who are relying on you.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, this is it. Do I ride a motorbike? Do
I get a license and ride a motorbike? Maybe not? Now,
you know, kids to think about.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
It's fine when when when hurting yourself only hurts you totally,
If I like whatever, when hurting yourself lets down other people.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Yeah you feel guilty?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
O bad? Right?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
What have you learned about mim since she became a mum?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Probably like stronger than I ever could have imagined. I reckon,
It's like I knew she was.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Strong and amazing. Obviously, that's why you know I wanted
to be with her. I knew within three two weeks
have been.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
With her that I wanted to be with her forever.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I've never met anyone like her made me laugh so much.
I think she's the most special person in the world.
But watching her become a mum, like, you guys really
do get the raw end of the stick with like,
let's i mean, the pregnancy itself right, like you know,
here if you need like classic wing defense on netball.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Like I'm trying to help, but you can't do anything
rub my feet.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
That's all you can do childbirth itself.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
So I so, without going into the full childbirth story,
the mims labor came about like quite fast, and she
was pretty calm about it at home, and then we
ended up rushing into hospital and again we went from
like we didn't go straight to the birthing suite.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We went to go and CVOB.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
But then it became pretty apparent that like things are
moving here and let's get you up here pretty quick.
And it was in it was in the OB's office
where he did.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I forget the name of the check, but he did
some sort of check as to see how everything was going.
And this really was very painful for him.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Like and I probably had never seen her in pain
like that before, and that was really difficult for me,
just watching her in pain and also knowing that not
only can I not do anything right now for your pain,
I can't help your pain right now, but also we're
about to go through more pain and I'm going.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
To be sitting here watching you do that.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Thankfully, I was able to at that point go to
the car, go back to the car and get some
bags because we didn't We actually thought we was going
to go in for a check up, but then things
just started moving really quickly. So I entered the car
to get bags, and at the car, I was able
to have a big cry. It was just like, it's
funny standing there watching her in pain. I didn't want
to show any emotion there because you kind of.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Just like I want to be. You have to be
the rock for her, and I don't want to break down.
We haven't even started yet if I'm already breaking down
with so I'm trying to stay strong.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Thankfully, I was able to go to the car and
I bored my eyes out because it's just watching the
person you love in pain.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
It's just the worst thing. Coss we do.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
But got the bags kind of like wipe the tears
away and was like, all right, let's do this kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And went in there and watching her through label was
it's just extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
How long was her labor?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Not long? So three hoursh wow, that's.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
For the first.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
That's the first.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Second, first attraction, get there. My first. My first was well,
technically it was going to be five hours, it ended
up going out to eight because the doctor was delivering
babies in other hospitals to hold, so that was fun.
And then my second one, Josh, I think it was
(15:05):
about six hours. But then with Liam, we had to
induce him. Yeah, three hours and the pain so I
get it. The pain just came on and was so
excruciating that my body was shaking. That's how bad the
pain was.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, it's like you guys were able to dissociate during
the child, but during labor where it's like because I'd
be talking to him and then a contraction would come
and I don't know where she went, but she went.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
You had to go to this other place.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
To deal with this extreme pain and extreme stress that
you're going through.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But we're the same thing. So that was only two
and a half hours, three hours, but it could have
come a lot quicker.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
But the ob actually said, legs down, hold, don't push,
because this is happening all too fast and the baby's
going to come out in shock, yes, which still happened to.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
An extent, like Remy came out and wasn't breathing.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Which that must have been the scariest thing though to experience.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
That absolutely horrific because she came out and she wasn't crying,
wasn't making any noise, and funny me, proud dad.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I was like, look at my girl, not even crying,
not blaming, not realizing something like an idea.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And the ob was scratching her foot, really aggresively, scratching
her foot, and I didn't realize what he was doing,
but what he was trying to do was to evoke
a cry or evoke some sort of noise.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, nothing.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
So again I'm watching the ob scratch my daughter's foot
and I'm like, I don't hit you, bro, Like why
are you scratching scratchy? Anyway, But they're also that the
I mean the OB's and the midwives and the nurses
that were amazing there stayed so calm and they took
her over and gave her oxygen. But it would have
been yeah, three or four minutes without her the mim
(16:43):
was mims out of it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, so she would have known exactly what's going on.
It was more you because you were you know, you
could see everything.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
That's it and saying and so she was kind of
asking me what was going on. I had to kind
of comfort her and be like totally fine. I think
that was helping her just getting going breathing kind of thing.
But at the same time, I'm kind of looking over going,
holy shit, I'm seeing them like pull over the oxygen
mask and stuff now, so I'm kind of freaking out.
But same thing, right, you just kind of like trying
to stay strong for him, and yeah, but yeah, she
started breathing.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Obviously, it felt like a lifetime.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, it's a funny memory to try and recapture actually,
like just talking about it now, like I can obviously
remember it.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, but it's this.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Weird there's a weird haze over it, yeah, because it's
it's almost like it's like.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You don't want to remember it because of how traumatic
it was.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Totally, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I had the same experience. I had a home birth
in London with my younger son. Oh wow, and he
came out not breathing. Yeah, and I just went mute.
I was like, I don't want to talk until he
starts crying, and they called the ambulance. The ambulance took
four minutes, so in that four minutes, he still hadn't
made a sound and then they took him. Yeah, and
I had to stay in birth the placenta, which I
(17:50):
was like what.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, that trucks me as well. I was sure we're
done here, was like, what is this alien? Vainly alien? Yeah,
so my sister help you back.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Did you guys eat year percent?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
No, no, I donated actually no, no.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
No, we got it. We got to put in an ice
bucket and then.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
This guy's the guy's eating snot and bloody vomits, so
it doesn't surprise he doesn't want a cupcake.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But we we got ours dehydrated and then turn into
a powder and put into capsules and then what do
you do?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Friend of mine needs to do that as a business.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, who knows potentially.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So what does it having the placenta?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Do people have different thoughts? I not, Like a lot
of people think it's a bit airy fairy and a
bit nothing. But at the end of the day, there's
I mean, my idea of the placenter is this thing
has kept a human alive with the nutrients that's provided.
It seems weird for me to just check that thing out,
like that thing is like a mecha for vitamins and meals,
and so it was more it wasn't necessarily for me
(18:56):
because it hasn't. It's more like, because mim has birth,
this thing get those things back into you.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
H It's kind of the idea, I guess.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
So think I even had that option.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
There was nothing said to me about anyone talked about
that stuff, Like the cord.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So the cord between the placenta and the baby, Like
that's the blood cord we donated that. Oh but that
blood then because of the purity of that blood, they
use that for I don't know, surgeries or transfusions or
whatever it is. I'm not exactly sure, but a good
thing to donate it.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah, right, it can be used for zone nutrient dense.
It's funny because the hospital obviously doesn't provide this service.
But it's like they say to you, I'm not sure
if there's a new thing that they say, are you
wanting to keep them for center?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And I think the way that our obe.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Artist was almost like a bit of an offhanded like
and do you want to keep the presenter expecting to know?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
We were like, yes, so you've done your research, then had.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
You mim had ye mim had not necessarily made, but
I did. I popped a couple of those tablets.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I'm not sure if I did an anything yeah or not,
but yes.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
A cuppa alloy. Are they supposed to do something? Though?
Was it something that you would physically notice that I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
One thing I would say is I think it's good
to acknowledge the placenta. So I think it might be.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I think it's a Chinese custom, which is that you
always look at it when it comes out, lift it
up and look at.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It, acknowledge it.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Don't just like shun this thing and let it like
acknowledge it was it was almost like a living thing
inside you, keeping your child alive. And it's a bit
strange to just like dispose of it straight away.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
So we went with the mim, you've got to get
your eyes.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
On this thing, obviously, on this thing, and then I
had to, yeah, put it on eyes and then go
meet this meet this woman downstairs at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And go and crush this thing. And we're getting capsules,
saw me dry it out.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And while we're talking to weird stuff, I then put
so obviously you get the umbilical cord and it and it.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Stays attached for a while. A little bit of the
umbilical cord.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Isn't that that's the one with the blood in it?
What is it the umbilical cord that had the blood?
Blood you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
That's right, okay, So but like a little bit of
the umbilical cord stays on your chilt for a while
and then eventually it gets all hard and it stings
and it drops off, right okay, so just by coming,
but I put I put the little thing that dropped
off with that in a necklace. Really and I've got
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I've got that necklace at home. Yeah, and that's for me.
That Mim thought that was weird. Mim was like, that's
super strange, but I've got that.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I kept the clip but you know the clip, yeah, kept.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
The clip a real stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I'm laughing.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Like, my kids went to a stein of school, so
all of this is totally normal.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
All this.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Like my friend that did this pleasant business, she was
in that community as well, So it's just funny just
picturing you.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah looking at the center.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
You know, some people be really serious, but I just
imagine you like maybe jokes about it.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Become some sort of relations selfie, just like thanks for
giving my daughter alive.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
But it's a bloods and ugly bustard though, isn't it
the present?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I don't think I even saw them, and I had
three kids.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And you never saw it.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I don't think I did.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's alien said that.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Another two no, like having said that. Jess when she
was born, like I said, I got left there for
three hours until the doctor arrived. So by the time
she was ready to come out, we were all done.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
We were just exhausted.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
She was four cups delivered, like they had to pull
out with the four SIPs. With Josh, he was posterior,
so they had to turn him around. And then Yanke
came out, which later I found out his collar bone broke.
But again babies at that age, the bones are mush,
there's not you know, obviously something snapped, but not like
a normal bone. And then with Liam, because it was
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so intense and so quick and I was in so
much pain at the time, Like I don't even remember
birthing the placenta for three of my kids. Yeah, I mean,
I know I've had to.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
It doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Because I was talking to him about childbirth and labor
and stuff, and it became very clear that like she
had forgotten just huge, huge parts of the labor, Like
if you want to know about how the labor went,
it's better to ask me, because I can actually.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Recall what happened.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
But someone told me ones that that might be a
bit of an evolutionary hang up of you guys need
to forget something child labor, otherwise you'll never.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Do it again. I agree with that, because after having
you know, each child, like for those I don't know
first few weeks, I'm like, never doing this again. At
some point, you know, we forget about the pain. I
went back for another two times.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
They're so bloody cute as toddlers, and then you're like, yeah,
I'll go back for it, and I remember when my
third one was born and just up all night feeding
and I was I was literally, what the fuck do
you remember this?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Right? Yeah? Because that's what am I doing? Every two hours?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah, that's so true because they've been talking to my
sister as well, because my sister had a baby a
year later or a year later, and she was asking
all these questions about like, oh, what were you doing
during this time, and you're right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I was like, I can't remember that. This is a
year ago from me.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
And I was like, I can't remember how many naps
we were having. I can't remember how we started solids.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I was like, that's just that's just so.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Do you remember then when Remy was born, Like, what
do you know? Do you remember her routine at all?
Because this is again, I have a theory with girls
and boys. My first one was a girl, second two boys.
The boys were an absolute fucking nightmare for three months.
I'm not joking every place that you said every three hours, right,
I was up every three hours day and night feeding
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these little buggers.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, Remy has been pretty good, and Jess was.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Jess was like that. So in the first few weeks
she she was on clockwork four hours. Yeah, and I thought, oh,
this is easy. I can do this again, no problem.
And then and then after I think it was six
weeks she was sleeping through the night.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yeah, wow, wow, Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
And that boys arrive.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Hell, you definitely do get this faux confidence or faux arrogance.
I reckon in that first it's definitely harder for you.
Got you guys are breastfeeding, Like that's.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I don't know, I'm involved.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
You didn't breastfeed, so Mim breastfed for the first I
think ten months she breastfed, which is which I know
was a stress on her. It is just like always
the mental load of always when did I last feed?
Should I be feeding? There, should not be feeding? I
think she got a little bit more liberal with just
like if Emmy's unsettled, put her on the boom.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I don't think it's so much about like this isn't
the right time to breastfeed, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
But it's funny for me during that time, like obviously
there were some sleepless nights, but it's the novelty.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
You're just like, oh, we're right and attending to the baby. Wow,
we've got a baby.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
How cales this, but also we were just taking her
everywhere as well, Like you can go to.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Cafes and it's just like you're just sitting there kind
of lying there.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I think you're half asleep or whatever, and like still
going out for long walk for dinner, going like go
to a wedding, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
It's just like this is great? How many kid is great?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
My daughter was three months old, took her to a
Greek wedding. Ever been to a Greek wedding? Greek weddings
are just loud, loud, and it's just party, party, party, constantly.
She was in the capsule under the table.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Perfect, did not stir? Yeah? Perfect?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And that was anger smiled yeah yeah perfect.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And then also for me personally, it's like socially, a
you could just have them there and they'd be asleep
and then be you had.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
This perfect excuse to leave when you wanted to leave. Yah,
well I better get home, and looks.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I do that with my kids now, Time to go home? Yeah, no,
lands getting tired for right now?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
And maybe that gets home exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Hey, would you what would remy say? Is the best
thing about you as a dad?
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Probably probably my sense of fun, I reckon I think
at this point. Yeah, because we just we just play
all the time.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Yeah, It's just.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And it's it's been an excuse for me to engage
with that very silly, imaginative world again, which hasn't necessarily
been hard for me to dip back into.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
If it probably doesn't surprise you.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
It's just like, finally I've got someone who's as stupid
as me wants to play this. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So I just I mean, I.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Would like to think, you know what I mean that
she would she would love the fact that, you know,
it's it's so nice now that she can actually say, dada, dada,
play with me, you know. And that's and she always
comes to me and says, dad to play with me,
because she knows it's always a yes. And then we're
able to go and look for dinosaurs in the back gyage,
or there's a big snake out there, or a snake
out the dinosaurs. Let's go and extract the snake from
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the dinosaur. I also like, I've got these hand puppets
at home now as well, so I've got the lime,
got the dinosaur. It's just it's and just that sense
of like there's no rules here as well. And I
think as adults, we can all of a sudden start
thinking like what's the point of this game, or like
what are the rules or what's the structure here, or
like it doesn't make sense to us. But with her,
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it's this this beautiful license to go. There's no there's
there's nothing planned here. You're just like seeing things and
reacting to it, and that is so beautifully like mindful,
you know, and to like get into that world, oh
just the best.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And that actually would be a bit of a breather
for men as well.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, oh totally, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And
I guess the other part of that would be that
I hope that she would like that. I'm very protective
of time with her, so I really make sure to
like not get too busy or not look into me things,
and I'm very protective of no, no, that's your podcast.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
To leave, but he's getting out of bedtime, I'll go
home and jo an angry wife but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But yeah, I hope that she would having a like that.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I'm always I'm very present when I'm with her as well,
so it's like if I have the hour two hours
with her in the morning. It's like, this is quality
you and me time. And so it's not checking my phone,
it's not doing something else. It's like and also like
letting her choose.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
So it's just like, yeah, you tell me what we're doing.
I don't have an agenda here.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
See, I think a lot of parents can learn this.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
What I would say, though, is I'm in a very
very fortunate position where I don't I don't get into
work until midday or twelve thirty.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So there are a lot of people who they just can't.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I don't have that.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I don't have that time to be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
But given that I'm in the very lucky position to
have that, I want to make sure I make the
most of it.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Do you know what.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
My mum and dad both very playful people, and that's
how I remember them as kids. They're not together now,
but growing up, my dad used to do shift work,
so you know, you go on the afternoons or go
through the right but when he was with us, like yourself,
like just so present and playful, and I always remember that,
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and you know, I feel that, you know, I've got
this real silly side to me, and I feel, you know,
that's very much from my parents. But my dad would work,
you know, just say, you go to work at eight
o'clock and he get home at three in the morning.
At three in the morning, he would come into our
room with a gift.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Wow every day.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Whenever he was doing night shift, So he would wake
us up at three in the morning and he'd go, hey.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Love, how are you.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Going, Oh, and you have like a little bar of
chocolate for us, or even silly things like he'd bring
home like a box of like screws or nuts and bots.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Because it was an electrician no it sometimes you remember
that as well.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I just loved it, and we would just you know,
we'd know if it was night shift, it was like
Dad's going to come home with a surprise. Nice. So
even like what you're saying, Tony, like and you know,
hoping that all parents sort of know this to become
present and you know, you're in a fortunate position with
your work. But even if you do do crazy hours
like what my dad was, you can still find those
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little moments to engage with your kids and make it
memorable and special for them.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Yeah, totally, yeah, because that's the other thing. It doesn't
need to be quantity so much as quality. I find
as well, Like on those days where I do have
something on I am busy, I might only have the
fifteen minutes with her or ten minutes. Yeah, but there's
such a big difference between ten minutes of just like, yeah,
I kind of got you out of bed and then
like I was dealing with breakfast stuff, I was just
kind of around you to like, you know, when you
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sink up and kids know when you fully you're eating
and they're like, oh wow, you're locked into me, and
like we've got this synergy. And then that's when I
understand you understand it, like she kind of she talks,
but it's.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
A lot of gibberish.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It's funny when you're like when I'm locked in, I'm like,
I know, I think I know what you mean. I'm
on your path right, and you can tell what They
get frustrated when it's like, I know you're talking about
other shit, Yeah you're thinking about We.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Got more to come with Woody. Stay tuned around next episode.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Joining us in this episode. Woody whitelaw one half of
the Kiss Network Drive show, Will and Woody. We hope
you enjoy our chat with him. So one thing that
we do with all our guests, I should actually rephrase it,
with all our guests, we give them a little gift.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Oh kiss them.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We don't do anything specific. Lisa might kiss them, but
if you know so, we've got a little gift for you.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh thank you so much. That is so incredibly With a.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Sticky tape, is going to be easier to open.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
It there, Yeah, just kept so everyone gets a gift.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You're not that special.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
They spoke spoke, well, well, this one is.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
A limited edition. He opens the box, gets the sticky tape.
Bit no, he just rips. So this one's actually a
limited edition because there's no longer three of us.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Right, Okay, So that's that's more special to have.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
This is vintage and because we haven't we haven't ordered
all the new ones yet, right, Okay, so we get
rid of the old ones first.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I very much appreciate that you so much. What did
happen to Steph? We do we talk about that?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh? Yeah, we talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, she has moved on.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Things got pretty hectic for Steph. So Steph in the
last few years, got married, had a baby. Beautiful Jim
Demi's now one, and you know how old.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Is your little girl too?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
She was two in October, right, so you know what
it's like to have a little toddler.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Absolutely, it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
STEP's going through all that at the moment they're setting
up a new business.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, she's just she's just got a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
In conscious uncoupling from the podcast to the point.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yeah, but I mean she messages this morning just say
she'd been listening to the episodes and she's so happy
with how things going for us, and yeah, she's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
She'll love this head. This will be her favorite. Expect
bolk text messages from Steff after this, after this magic between.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Guest of guests.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
That's the text you'll receive. Absolutely. I mean, it's a
team effort. It's all three of us just on fire together.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
This is it. Thank you for joining.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Us, of course, thank you for inviting me on.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Apparently, according to Lisa, we invited you on a few
years ago and you never turned up. I don't remember that, and.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
So it's interesting to say that because I feel like
it was broad have me going on the podcast and
I reckon. I was probably knowing what kind of headspace
I was in at that stage a couple of years
ago when I joined the Drive Show and first joined aarn,
I was quite flippant, no really single, and I wouldn't
know what was happening in the next hour of my life,
let alone the next day of my life. And it
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felt I was probably a pretty flaky guy. And so
with my best intentions, I would have been like, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
I'll do a podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
But then like didn't have a calendar. I didn't like.
I just don't like.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I didn't like booking anything in This is going to
sound really weird, but I used to live my life
not liking booking anything in advance because I didn't know
how I would be feeling at that time in the future. Now,
that's a shocking way to live because you just end
up doing nothing.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
You're just quite an annoying person to be around.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
But I'm sure I would have said, like, yeah, absolutely,
But did I actually do we locking a time?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I don't remember a time is convinced we did.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I hope we didn't, because I think if we locked
in the time, I would have showed up.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I forgot I remember, and I'm pretty sure Steph will
back me up on.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
See, I thought Steph was with me that she didn't
remember locking him in.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I thought she did say that she did.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And we're in the studio.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You have his vendetta against me.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Just making up stories about everything.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Really well, if we did lock any time, I am sorry.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
If I do make a commitment to something, I do
like that I stick to those commitments. But anyway, it's
been four years since the potential me stating you guys,
up here we are and here we are, and I
want to build up that.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
The question now is is the waight worth it?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well, I'll tell you at the end of maybe Oh sorry,
you guys tell me.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
You know, yeah, but that's you know, just speaking about
you feeling flaky and not wanting to book things in
and everything like that. I definitely noticed a shift in you,
and I feel like it since you've been with Mim.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Would you, yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I was very unhappy, like as in like, I've always
been a very up and a bad kind of guy.
But during those single years, it's not for me personally,
it wasn't. I was chasing the wrong things to get
my happiness from. I think, and I think, until you
find the things in life that you actually satisfy you
(05:15):
and make you feel good, which has been a loving
relationship with Mim. It's been the birth of my daughter, Remy,
and like this, like, ah, this is what like being
happy feels like, and this is what you know, feeling
fulfilled feels like. Whereas during those more flaky years single
in my twenties, just chasing the wrong things, and.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, it's when you're in it.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I don't think I realized that I was unhappy, But
it's only looking back at it that you're like, oh
you would You were not very happy and you were
quite sad, and you were chasing these little dopamine hits
whichever way you could. And I think that all kind
of links in with the whole I don't want to
lock anything in, yeah kind of thing, because I was
(05:59):
a bit up and down as well, where I'm like,
I'm up and about and I'll go do this, But
the idea of oh, let's look lock in this next week,
I'll be like, I might be having a bit of
a downer next week. So I'm not sure if I
want to engage in that. But Bim comes into my
life and it's just it's it's it's such a wholesome
life with her now as well, Like she just makes
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me laugh so much, and like hanging out you feel
totally complete, and hanging out with my daughter is just
just brings me so much joy and like it's so
it's so difficult at times as well, difficult in what
way having having a two year old girl, like the
tantrums and the time that.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It takes till she hit sixteen.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
People keep saying that it's all.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You wait, and it's only one at this point as well,
so you.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Know, if we're lucky enough to have more kids, then
obviously it just gets harder and harder.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
But again, like the difficulty of it.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Is kind of white me so happy, though as well,
because I forget who said this to me, but I
think it was actually Hamish Blake said to me. He said,
if you were describing a mate as someone who just
decided to wake you up in the middle of the
night every now and then would ship in their pants
and then expect you to clean up that ship and
then would just yell at you to feed you, like
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you're literally describing the worst companion possible. But this is
how you describe your child like a toddler, and you
love them so much.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Bring it on? Do it again to you? To keep
doing this?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, I do some pretty strange stuff to get me actually,
Like I I'll suck boogers out of her nose. I'm
totally fine with it.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah I never did that, but I have heard of
friends that did do that.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
That's totally comfortable with it.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
But remember long boogers that would come out.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, yeah, long boogers.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
If I don't have a tissue on hand, but I'm
straight in my mouth, I've ricked up.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I've looked up a little bit of it. Oh yeah,
because Remy was a big vomit. But you know, you
know the baby bombs. It's just like it's milky. You know,
it's pretty much brest milk.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
You can lick that up.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
It's just if you're in the situation where you don't
have a paper tail, you deposed just like I just
look it up.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I always, I've always It's like it's like she's just
an extension of me. I've always viewed her.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
There's a limit my body.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Stop.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, I just haven't found that point.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So what's it like being a dad of a little girl?
What's the phrase a girl daddy?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
What's afraid girl daddy? Ye daddy, I'll take girl daddy,
So I reckon. I think before having.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Remy, I had this idea in my head of what
it was going to be like to have a boy
compared to what it was going to be like to
have a girl.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
And you know, I was playing into gender stereotypes there.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And you know, I had thoughts in my head of like, oh,
you know, going to a game of footie with my
son and it was my son there, you know, kicking
the footy with my son. And then it was going, oh,
seeing my daughter in a beautiful dress, and isn't that
gorgeous and beautiful? But it's funny now that I've actually
got to know Remi in her two years.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
That's just it's just not the case.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
It's you know, I'll kick the footy with her, I
will wrestle with her, like we'll cover each other in
mud and look for dinosaurs together, which I think originally
I was like, oh, I thought.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
That was what i'd do with a with a boy.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
But that's just and it's beautiful that moving forward. It's like,
I think there's less expectation on males and females to
be a certain way. So so for me now and
also knowing having been through pregnancy and birth and knowing
that that can go badly, and you know, any child
that you have is an absolute gift now for meat,
gender is just like a I don't care boy or girl.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
If they're healthy, happy, that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And and that's a lot of parents. That's a lot
of parents are like that. After baby number one comes along, yeah,
you know, as long as this child is healthy, and
especially when you're going through issues with pregnancy or whatever else,
not even just the pregnant, like you know, giving birth,
it's it's the whole, you know, conceiving and the morning
sickness and then you know all the other little issues
that come along as well. You forget all about that
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when the baby's born.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Oh yeah, everything just fades away.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, but even like even like away from childbirth stuff,
it's just like the small things that I used to
stress about or worry about, just yes, so insignificant.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And do you wonder now what you used to do
with your time? You're always so busy And now it's like,
what the hell was I doing with my time before?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Right? How was I yelling? In days?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Like?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
What actually was I doing? Even before work? Because I
get into work at like twelve thirty, I was like,
what did I used to do?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Everyone?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I wasn't achieving anything though. That's the other things you'd
think looking back, like it's so much time to achieve
all this stuff, But.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You didn't know you did. I don't know what you did.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
No, but you become you become more more efficient with
a You've.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Got too efficient and grateful for time as well.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
So I find now that if I know, if I
do have time to go out and see a friend
or something, have dinner with a friend, I think previously
it which is like I didning with a friend whatever, it's.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Just another night.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Whereas now it's like you're also it's funny with the
birth of your child, you can't help but think about
your impending mortality as well as something about like the
circle of life there where it's like you coming into
the world as all of a sudden made me think
about the fact that I'm going to die one day
and so so now not only with the limited time
and being more grateful for like seeing their friend for dinner,
you're also like, this isn't going to happen forever. This
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is really this is really special now when you do
things outside.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Of that, and you may have been a bit of
a rebel before and maybe taken more risks with things
that you would do. Now you think twice, you.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Know, yeah, because there's people who are relying on you.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, this is it. Do I ride a motorbike? Do
I get a license and ride a motorbike? Maybe not? Now,
you know, kids to think about.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
It's fine when when when hurting yourself only hurts you totally,
If I like whatever, when hurting yourself lets down other people.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Yeah you feel guilty?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
O bad? Right?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
What have you learned about mim since she became a mum?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Probably like stronger than I ever could have imagined. I reckon,
It's like I knew she was.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Strong and amazing. Obviously, that's why you know I wanted
to be with her. I knew within three two weeks
have been.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
With her that I wanted to be with her forever.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I've never met anyone like her made me laugh so much.
I think she's the most special person in the world.
But watching her become a mum, like, you guys really
do get the raw end of the stick with like,
let's i mean, the pregnancy itself right, like you know,
here if you need like classic wing defense on netball.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Like I'm trying to help, but you can't do anything
rub my feet.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
That's all you can do childbirth itself.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
So I so, without going into the full childbirth story,
the mims labor came about like quite fast, and she
was pretty calm about it at home, and then we
ended up rushing into hospital and again we went from
like we didn't go straight to the birthing suite.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We went to go and CVOB.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
But then it became pretty apparent that like things are
moving here and let's get you up here pretty quick.
And it was in it was in the OB's office
where he did.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I forget the name of the check, but he did
some sort of check as to see how everything was going.
And this really was very painful for him.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Like and I probably had never seen her in pain
like that before, and that was really difficult for me,
just watching her in pain and also knowing that not
only can I not do anything right now for your pain,
I can't help your pain right now, but also we're
about to go through more pain and I'm going.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
To be sitting here watching you do that.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Thankfully, I was able to at that point go to
the car, go back to the car and get some
bags because we didn't We actually thought we was going
to go in for a check up, but then things
just started moving really quickly. So I entered the car
to get bags, and at the car, I was able
to have a big cry. It was just like, it's
funny standing there watching her in pain. I didn't want
to show any emotion there because you kind of.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Just like I want to be. You have to be
the rock for her, and I don't want to break down.
We haven't even started yet if I'm already breaking down
with so I'm trying to stay strong.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Thankfully, I was able to go to the car and
I bored my eyes out because it's just watching the
person you love in pain.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
It's just the worst thing. Coss we do.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
But got the bags kind of like wipe the tears
away and was like, all right, let's do this kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
And went in there and watching her through label was
it's just extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
How long was her labor?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Not long? So three hoursh wow, that's.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
For the first.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
That's the first.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Second, first attraction, get there. My first. My first was well,
technically it was going to be five hours, it ended
up going out to eight because the doctor was delivering
babies in other hospitals to hold, so that was fun.
And then my second one, Josh, I think it was
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about six hours. But then with Liam, we had to
induce him. Yeah, three hours and the pain so I
get it. The pain just came on and was so
excruciating that my body was shaking. That's how bad the
pain was.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, it's like you guys were able to dissociate during
the child, but during labor where it's like because I'd
be talking to him and then a contraction would come
and I don't know where she went, but she went.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
You had to go to this other place.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
To deal with this extreme pain and extreme stress that
you're going through.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
But we're the same thing. So that was only two
and a half hours, three hours, but it could have
come a lot quicker.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
But the ob actually said, legs down, hold, don't push,
because this is happening all too fast and the baby's
going to come out in shock, yes, which still happened to.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
An extent, like Remy came out and wasn't breathing.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Which that must have been the scariest thing though to experience.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
That absolutely horrific because she came out and she wasn't crying,
wasn't making any noise, and funny me, proud dad.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I was like, look at my girl, not even crying,
not blaming, not realizing something like an idea.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And the ob was scratching her foot, really aggresively, scratching
her foot, and I didn't realize what he was doing,
but what he was trying to do was to evoke
a cry or evoke some sort of noise.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, nothing.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
So again I'm watching the ob scratch my daughter's foot
and I'm like, I don't hit you, bro, Like why
are you scratching scratchy? Anyway, But they're also that the
I mean the OB's and the midwives and the nurses
that were amazing there stayed so calm and they took
her over and gave her oxygen. But it would have
been yeah, three or four minutes without her the mim
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was mims out of it.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, so she would have known exactly what's going on.
It was more you because you were you know, you
could see everything.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
That's it and saying and so she was kind of
asking me what was going on. I had to kind
of comfort her and be like totally fine. I think
that was helping her just getting going breathing kind of thing.
But at the same time, I'm kind of looking over going,
holy shit, I'm seeing them like pull over the oxygen
mask and stuff now, so I'm kind of freaking out.
But same thing, right, you just kind of like trying
to stay strong for him, and yeah, but yeah, she
started breathing.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Obviously, it felt like a lifetime.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, it's a funny memory to try and recapture actually,
like just talking about it now, like I can obviously
remember it.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, but it's this.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Weird there's a weird haze over it, yeah, because it's
it's almost like it's like.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You don't want to remember it because of how traumatic
it was.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Totally, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I had the same experience. I had a home birth
in London with my younger son. Oh wow, and he
came out not breathing. Yeah, and I just went mute.
I was like, I don't want to talk until he
starts crying, and they called the ambulance. The ambulance took
four minutes, so in that four minutes, he still hadn't
made a sound and then they took him. Yeah, and
I had to stay in birth the placenta, which I
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was like what.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, that trucks me as well. I was sure we're
done here, was like, what is this alien? Vainly alien? Yeah,
so my sister help you back.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Did you guys eat year percent?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
No, no, I donated actually no, no.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
No, we got it. We got to put in an ice
bucket and then.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
This guy's the guy's eating snot and bloody vomits, so
it doesn't surprise he doesn't want a cupcake.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But we we got ours dehydrated and then turn into
a powder and put into capsules and then what do
you do?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Friend of mine needs to do that as a business.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, who knows potentially.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So what does it having the placenta?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Do people have different thoughts? I not, Like a lot
of people think it's a bit airy fairy and a
bit nothing. But at the end of the day, there's
I mean, my idea of the placenter is this thing
has kept a human alive with the nutrients that's provided.
It seems weird for me to just check that thing out,
like that thing is like a mecha for vitamins and meals,
and so it was more it wasn't necessarily for me
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because it hasn't. It's more like, because mim has birth,
this thing get those things back into you.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
H It's kind of the idea, I guess.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
So think I even had that option.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
There was nothing said to me about anyone talked about
that stuff, Like the cord.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So the cord between the placenta and the baby, Like
that's the blood cord we donated that. Oh but that
blood then because of the purity of that blood, they
use that for I don't know, surgeries or transfusions or
whatever it is. I'm not exactly sure, but a good
thing to donate it.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah, right, it can be used for zone nutrient dense.
It's funny because the hospital obviously doesn't provide this service.
But it's like they say to you, I'm not sure
if there's a new thing that they say, are you
wanting to keep them for center?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And I think the way that our obe.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Artist was almost like a bit of an offhanded like
and do you want to keep the presenter expecting to know?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
We were like, yes, so you've done your research, then had.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
You mim had ye mim had not necessarily made, but
I did. I popped a couple of those tablets.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I'm not sure if I did an anything yeah or not,
but yes.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
A cuppa alloy. Are they supposed to do something? Though?
Was it something that you would physically notice that I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
One thing I would say is I think it's good
to acknowledge the placenta. So I think it might be.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I think it's a Chinese custom, which is that you
always look at it when it comes out, lift it
up and look at.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It, acknowledge it.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Don't just like shun this thing and let it like
acknowledge it was it was almost like a living thing
inside you, keeping your child alive. And it's a bit
strange to just like dispose of it straight away.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
So we went with the mim, you've got to get
your eyes.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
On this thing, obviously, on this thing, and then I
had to, yeah, put it on eyes and then go
meet this meet this woman downstairs at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And go and crush this thing. And we're getting capsules,
saw me dry it out.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And while we're talking to weird stuff, I then put
so obviously you get the umbilical cord and it and it.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Stays attached for a while. A little bit of the
umbilical cord.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Isn't that that's the one with the blood in it?
What is it the umbilical cord that had the blood?
Blood you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
That's right, okay, So but like a little bit of
the umbilical cord stays on your chilt for a while
and then eventually it gets all hard and it stings
and it drops off, right okay, so just by coming,
but I put I put the little thing that dropped
off with that in a necklace. Really and I've got
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I've got that necklace at home. Yeah, and that's for me.
That Mim thought that was weird. Mim was like, that's
super strange, but I've got that.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I kept the clip but you know the clip, yeah, kept.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
The clip a real stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I'm laughing.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Like, my kids went to a stein of school, so
all of this is totally normal.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
All this.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Like my friend that did this pleasant business, she was
in that community as well, So it's just funny just
picturing you.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah looking at the center.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
You know, some people be really serious, but I just
imagine you like maybe jokes about it.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Become some sort of relations selfie, just like thanks for
giving my daughter alive.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
But it's a bloods and ugly bustard though, isn't it
the present?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I don't think I even saw them, and I had
three kids.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
And you never saw it.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I don't think I did.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's alien said that.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Another two no, like having said that. Jess when she
was born, like I said, I got left there for
three hours until the doctor arrived. So by the time
she was ready to come out, we were all done.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
We were just exhausted.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
She was four cups delivered, like they had to pull
out with the four SIPs. With Josh, he was posterior,
so they had to turn him around. And then Yanke
came out, which later I found out his collar bone broke.
But again babies at that age, the bones are mush,
there's not you know, obviously something snapped, but not like
a normal bone. And then with Liam, because it was
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so intense and so quick and I was in so
much pain at the time, Like I don't even remember
birthing the placenta for three of my kids. Yeah, I mean,
I know I've had to.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
It doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Because I was talking to him about childbirth and labor
and stuff, and it became very clear that like she
had forgotten just huge, huge parts of the labor, Like
if you want to know about how the labor went,
it's better to ask me, because I can actually.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Recall what happened.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
But someone told me ones that that might be a
bit of an evolutionary hang up of you guys need
to forget something child labor, otherwise you'll never.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Do it again. I agree with that, because after having
you know, each child, like for those I don't know
first few weeks, I'm like, never doing this again. At
some point, you know, we forget about the pain. I
went back for another two times.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
They're so bloody cute as toddlers, and then you're like, yeah,
I'll go back for it, and I remember when my
third one was born and just up all night feeding
and I was I was literally, what the fuck do
you remember this?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Right? Yeah? Because that's what am I doing? Every two hours?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah, that's so true because they've been talking to my
sister as well, because my sister had a baby a
year later or a year later, and she was asking
all these questions about like, oh, what were you doing
during this time, and you're right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I was like, I can't remember that. This is a
year ago from me.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
And I was like, I can't remember how many naps
we were having. I can't remember how we started solids.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I was like, that's just that's just so.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Do you remember then when Remy was born, Like, what
do you know? Do you remember her routine at all?
Because this is again, I have a theory with girls
and boys. My first one was a girl, second two boys.
The boys were an absolute fucking nightmare for three months.
I'm not joking every place that you said every three hours, right,
I was up every three hours day and night feeding
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these little buggers.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, Remy has been pretty good, and Jess was.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Jess was like that. So in the first few weeks
she she was on clockwork four hours. Yeah, and I thought, oh,
this is easy. I can do this again, no problem.
And then and then after I think it was six
weeks she was sleeping through the night.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yeah, wow, wow, Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
And that boys arrive.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Hell, you definitely do get this faux confidence or faux arrogance.
I reckon in that first it's definitely harder for you.
Got you guys are breastfeeding, Like that's.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I don't know, I'm involved.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
You didn't breastfeed, so Mim breastfed for the first I
think ten months she breastfed, which is which I know
was a stress on her. It is just like always
the mental load of always when did I last feed?
Should I be feeding? There, should not be feeding? I
think she got a little bit more liberal with just
like if Emmy's unsettled, put her on the boom.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I don't think it's so much about like this isn't
the right time to breastfeed, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
But it's funny for me during that time, like obviously
there were some sleepless nights, but it's the novelty.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
You're just like, oh, we're right and attending to the baby. Wow,
we've got a baby.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
How cales this, but also we were just taking her
everywhere as well, Like you can go to.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Cafes and it's just like you're just sitting there kind
of lying there.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I think you're half asleep or whatever, and like still
going out for long walk for dinner, going like go
to a wedding, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
It's just like this is great? How many kid is great?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
My daughter was three months old, took her to a
Greek wedding. Ever been to a Greek wedding? Greek weddings
are just loud, loud, and it's just party, party, party, constantly.
She was in the capsule under the table.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Perfect, did not stir? Yeah? Perfect?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And that was anger smiled yeah yeah perfect.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And then also for me personally, it's like socially, a
you could just have them there and they'd be asleep
and then be you had.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
This perfect excuse to leave when you wanted to leave. Yah,
well I better get home, and looks.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I do that with my kids now, Time to go home? Yeah, no,
lands getting tired for right now?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
And maybe that gets home exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Hey, would you what would remy say? Is the best
thing about you as a dad?
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Probably probably my sense of fun, I reckon I think
at this point. Yeah, because we just we just play
all the time.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Yeah, It's just.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And it's it's been an excuse for me to engage
with that very silly, imaginative world again, which hasn't necessarily
been hard for me to dip back into.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
If it probably doesn't surprise you.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
It's just like, finally I've got someone who's as stupid
as me wants to play this. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So I just I mean, I.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Would like to think, you know what I mean that
she would she would love the fact that, you know,
it's it's so nice now that she can actually say, dada, dada,
play with me, you know. And that's and she always
comes to me and says, dad to play with me,
because she knows it's always a yes. And then we're
able to go and look for dinosaurs in the back gyage,
or there's a big snake out there, or a snake
out the dinosaurs. Let's go and extract the snake from
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the dinosaur. I also like, I've got these hand puppets
at home now as well, so I've got the lime,
got the dinosaur. It's just it's and just that sense
of like there's no rules here as well. And I
think as adults, we can all of a sudden start
thinking like what's the point of this game, or like
what are the rules or what's the structure here, or
like it doesn't make sense to us. But with her,
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it's this this beautiful license to go. There's no there's
there's nothing planned here. You're just like seeing things and
reacting to it, and that is so beautifully like mindful,
you know, and to like get into that world, oh
just the best.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And that actually would be a bit of a breather
for men as well.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Yeah, oh totally, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And
I guess the other part of that would be that
I hope that she would like that. I'm very protective
of time with her, so I really make sure to
like not get too busy or not look into me things,
and I'm very protective of no, no, that's your podcast.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
To leave, but he's getting out of bedtime, I'll go
home and jo an angry wife but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But yeah, I hope that she would having a like that.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I'm always I'm very present when I'm with her as well,
so it's like if I have the hour two hours
with her in the morning. It's like, this is quality
you and me time. And so it's not checking my phone,
it's not doing something else. It's like and also like
letting her choose.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
So it's just like, yeah, you tell me what we're doing.
I don't have an agenda here.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
See, I think a lot of parents can learn this.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
What I would say, though, is I'm in a very
very fortunate position where I don't I don't get into
work until midday or twelve thirty.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So there are a lot of people who they just can't.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I don't have that.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I don't have that time to be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
But given that I'm in the very lucky position to
have that, I want to make sure I make the
most of it.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Do you know what.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
My mum and dad both very playful people, and that's
how I remember them as kids. They're not together now,
but growing up, my dad used to do shift work,
so you know, you go on the afternoons or go
through the right but when he was with us, like yourself,
like just so present and playful, and I always remember that,
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and you know, I feel that, you know, I've got
this real silly side to me, and I feel, you know,
that's very much from my parents. But my dad would work,
you know, just say, you go to work at eight
o'clock and he get home at three in the morning.
At three in the morning, he would come into our
room with a gift.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Wow every day.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Whenever he was doing night shift, So he would wake
us up at three in the morning and he'd go, hey.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Love, how are you.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Going, Oh, and you have like a little bar of
chocolate for us, or even silly things like he'd bring
home like a box of like screws or nuts and bots.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Because it was an electrician no it sometimes you remember
that as well.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
I just loved it, and we would just you know,
we'd know if it was night shift, it was like
Dad's going to come home with a surprise. Nice. So
even like what you're saying, Tony, like and you know,
hoping that all parents sort of know this to become
present and you know, you're in a fortunate position with
your work. But even if you do do crazy hours
like what my dad was, you can still find those
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little moments to engage with your kids and make it
memorable and special for them.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Yeah, totally, yeah, because that's the other thing. It doesn't
need to be quantity so much as quality. I find
as well, Like on those days where I do have
something on I am busy, I might only have the
fifteen minutes with her or ten minutes. Yeah, but there's
such a big difference between ten minutes of just like, yeah,
I kind of got you out of bed and then
like I was dealing with breakfast stuff, I was just
kind of around you to like, you know, when you
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sink up and kids know when you fully you're eating
and they're like, oh wow, you're locked into me, and
like we've got this synergy. And then that's when I
understand you understand it, like she kind of she talks,
but it's.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
A lot of gibberish.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It's funny when you're like when I'm locked in, I'm like,
I know, I think I know what you mean. I'm
on your path right, and you can tell what They
get frustrated when it's like, I know you're talking about
other shit, Yeah you're thinking about We.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Got more to come with Woody. Stay tuned around next episode.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
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