April 13, 2025 • 31 mins
In this episode, Lisa drops a surprise we weren’t expecting, after sharing the news of her sister’s recent home birth, she reveals that she too had a home birth!
Lisa opens up about her experience, from the beauty and intimacy of giving birth at home to the terrifying moment when her son was born not breathing and had to be rushed to hospital by ambulance. She shares how what should have been one of the happiest moments of her life turned into emotional paralysis until she finally heard that her baby was okay.
While Toni didn’t have a home birth, she also shares her own birthing experiences, offering another perspective on the emotional highs and challenges of bringing life into the world.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Is your microphone a bit higher than mine?
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Okay, maybe you know what freaking marathon ever that was?
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Chanty, Oh my god.
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Speaker 4 (01:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
You have a bit of excitement going on in your
fan and I discovered something about you when we were
talking about this that I had no idea about what's up.
First of all, your sister had a baby. Yes, congratulations
on being an auntie again, thank you. It's so exciting.
And she had homebirth yep, which I first of all
didn't know. But secondly, you've had a home by I've had.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
A home birth. I didn't know that either.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yes, I'd see what happens when there's just two of
us talking. We find that more about I know, it's true.
Get a word in.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
It's true, so true.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
But yeah, yeah, my sister had recently had a baby,
her second boy, and I got to be there for
the birth, which was such an honor. And I didn't
expect it at all, you know, because I mean when
when I had my boys, I was quite private with it.
I just wanted to be with their dad and you know,
(02:37):
and that's it, and just keep it really small and yeah,
not low.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Key I don't have a bersloty, but you know what
I mean, not making it fascinout it exactly, but she
wanted She asked if I would film it and take photos,
and I was like, oh my god, I would I
would love that.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I would love it.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
So I just I felt, yeah, so honored to be
able to do that. And I remember when she was
because I'm twelve years older than her, so I remember
the day that she was born. I looked after her
as a baby, so she's always been like my baby,
ye you know, so it's really special, and you know,
with mum not being around. Not to say I'm my
(03:17):
sister's mum, but it's a mother figure.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
But she liked that, yeah, in some ways. So yeah,
it was.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
It was amazing.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
And she had her partner there who was incredible, and
she had one of her beautiful friends there. And then
the midwife, the main midwife, and then another midwife turned up,
so just as she was actually birthing, and the main
midwife in particular was absolutely incredible, so was.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
She that the whole time. At what point did the
midwife come in, because I mean you can be in
labor for like twelve hours, so was the midwife there
from the start.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
At what point did she was there?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
She said, when the contractions becoming tense and they go
for about sixty seconds, so to get to message her
and then she'll make her way over. So she did that,
so she started. Jazzy started having contractions about two days before,
just some white ones, and her mucus plug came out.
And their midwife was like, you know it's on. It
(04:19):
could be any day now, yeah, any.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Day by day, And we looked it up.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Sometimes when the mucus plug comes out it can be
any day or like a week away, and we're like, oh.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
My god, please not a week but the whole time though,
aren't you No.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
I don't think so I think it can just come out.
Jazzy started on the Sunday. She started having contractions about
five thirty in the morning. About seven point thirty. I
could hear.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Because she was having a water berth, So is this
in the bath or Jeff a swiming pool in the
middle of them.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
So I could hear a partner band like pumping it up,
and I'm like, that's not the vacuum, that's the polls.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
All this, Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
On So I got up about seven thirty and I'm like,
it's happening and she's like, yeah, I've been having contractions
since about five point thirty and she said, you know,
they feel a lot more intense and everything. So we
set up the room beautifully and it was really funny
because you know, we live with our dad and was
he there. No, So she didn't tell him that she
(05:27):
was having a homebirth.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He just came home went, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Eat?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
There's a pool in the laundry, spelling woman in the bedroom.
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
But she didn't because he was he would be concerned
because I had a homebirth in London with Manny and
he was concerned about that and a lot of people
are with home best, you know, and understandably it's it's
it's a big thing. So she just said to him, look,
when I start having contractions, would you mind going to
(05:56):
your partner's place?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And I was like, you got to have a few
drinks for a few.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
So on the SAT Day when she started having contractions,
I went and told him and I said, Dad, yeah,
she's having contractions.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
He goes, yeah, oh, we go on in five minutes.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Get out of here fast enough actually, So he went
on the SAT Day and then I messaged him a
little bit later to say, hey, look they've stopped and
you know, but it could be any day.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So he's just like, oh, stay it his partner's place.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
So anyway, we got the partner band, got the pool
set up on the Sunday and she just went through
the process.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And she had a Thames machine.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, attach them to yourself and they do
they monitor the contractions, is what they do.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
When you start to feel the contraction, you press a
button and it releases like an electrical current.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, I'm really sure.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I didn't use them.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
But when she actually came to, you know, wanting to
be in the pool, we had to take the tams
machines off.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
She was getting electric shocks.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I was pulling out Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, but she said it was amazing and she was amazing,
like she's, you know, obviously having these big contractions and
she was just breathing through them, and you know, she
was making noises every now and then, but she was
very focused. But it was just incredible to watch her.
I mean, have you been to a birth before, Well,
(07:31):
I've had three, Yes, but someone else's bron Oh my god,
it's you know, I mean, when you're going through it yourself,
you're in your world watching someone else, it's like, holy shit,
the things that women go through are totally amazing, and
you know what we can do with our bodies.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
So yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Anyway, so she got to the point where contacted her midwife.
Her midwife turned up and I just felt so relieved
when she was there because it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Would be because that's somebody that is of the medical
world who knows what they're doing sack as opposed to Yeah,
I've had three babies. I know how to spit them out,
but that's about it.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, and this woman knows what she's doing, Like she
totally believes in women in their bodies, in home births,
natural birth.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
She was just she's just such an empowering, inspiring woman.
But she doesn't make a big deal of it, but
you can feel her strength and belief with it. And
you know, she got there and it was so beautiful.
I took a photo of it, and she just grabbed
Jazzy's hands and I don't know what she said to her,
but I could just see that Jazzy was just like
you know yep, yeah, heah, this is good. And then
(08:43):
she did a check on the baby and she said, look,
the baby is engaged and ready to go, and that
brought a sense of relief to Jazzy as well. Yeah,
and then we just sort of sat there quietly at
the table, you know, just watching her.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And so let me picture this. Then you guys are
sitting around the dining table, yeah, and the pools over
in the corner. The pool's in the middle of the
lounge room, right, okay, and Jesse is like pushing away,
pushing out a baby. You guys are sitting there with
teeth no no.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
So at this stage, while we're sitting down on the table,
she's on the kitchen bench having these contractions.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
And then the midwife came over and.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Like massaged her hips and she did that a couple
of times, and then I don't know if it was
on the second or third go, Jesse said, my waters
are broke. And then the next set of contraction, she
was like, I feel like pushing. So we filled up
the pool with warm water. It's going to be about
thirty six or thirty seven degrees, so we did that,
and then she jumped in and just went, you know,
(09:45):
took the Thames machines. I've got their little electric shocks
left that on.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's exact thing in the water. Cute everybody, Hell.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Oh my god, god.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But she took I'm not aware of any other the
pain relief or anything that she took. So she got
in the pool and then her partner was just holding
her on the other side of the pool and she's
just going through these big wave of contractions and I'm like, oh, fuck,
you're amazing, like just just incredible. And then so that
went on for a little bit and then there was progress,
(10:20):
but you know, it wasn't sort of quite happening. So
then the midwife got her out of the pool and
tried some other moves with her. So she did that
and you could just feel the pain, you know, you
could feel the bigness of these contractions. But again she
just stayed so focused with them. And then that sort
of wasn't getting anywhere, and the midwife said, look, we
(10:42):
don't usually do this position, but we're going to get
you on your back and we're going to see.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
In the pool on the floor. Oh okay, we're going
to see.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
If so like, if you're normally giving birth in hospital,
you're on the bed.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
You're on the bed, but you can kind of sit up.
She was flat on her back and she said, look,
it's not usually a home birthing position, but I just
feel your baby might like this, yep, And and he
did like it actually started to bring him down, and
it was quite uncomfortable for her and she needed a
cushion under her back and everything anyway, so that happened
(11:14):
and then you could start to see the.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Head coming through.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
It was like, oh my god, how freak you are
that effs just you could see the head like it
was amazing.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, it was so amazing. And then she said.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
The midwife said, look, we're going to do a few
of these and we'll get we'll get you into a
position where then you can get back in the water.
And she just said to her, look, do you still
want to have a water birth? And you know, jas
was like, yeah, I do. So she had okay, cool,
so did that and then she said, okay, now we're
ready to get in the pool. So she got in
the pool, had a few more contractions, and there was
(11:48):
a point where she said, I can't do this, and
the midwife was like, yes, you can.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Like just so she was just exalid in so much pain. Yeah,
just the pain, and you know, and it was it
was for a while as well.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I think it was like seven or eight hours or something.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
But yeah, I mean, you know, for all those women listening,
you know exactly exactly know you anyway, so that was
that was going on, and you know, she has kept
going and then the midwife said to her, rather than
making noises outwards, I want you to direct that energy
(12:23):
downwards and bring it all down there.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
So you know, again, my sister was like so focused
and she was able to do that.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
And I'm like, oh my god, this is incredible because
all you want to do is.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Just go, yeah, scream it out exactly. Anyway, it got
to the stage where you know, she did a push
and this.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Little head pops out in the water. I'm like like, god,
this is amazing. Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
So anyway, she did a couple more pushes. So I'm
filming the whole thing, and then the midwife is she
sort of put her hands in the water and she's like,
can you do another push? And I don't know, it
didn't seem to be working. And you can hear the
other midwife say is at the shoulders and she goes yes,
and she grabs one system and she goes get out
(13:10):
and she just gets her out of the pool and
then goes in and pulls pulls the baby out.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Pulls the baby out.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
When he came out, he was blue. His heart was beating,
but he wasn't breathing, and it was just like this
moment of like, Oh, my fucking God, like, are we
gonna what the hell's gonna happen? I'd obviously filming. I
didn't even know I was filming. I mean, I was
there to film a birth, but I didn't even think
(13:39):
that I did, but I did, But I must have
just had the camera and then just looking looking down
and we were all around.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
So Jazzy was on the floor. The midwife got air, puts.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Air on him and started to massage him and sort
of move him around, and then we're all just talking
to him. We're here, we love you, we love you,
and it's just this moment of like, yeah, fucking God, like,
is he going to make this or what the hell.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
You'd be You'd go from this major elation to all
of a sudden major fear. Yeah, and it well, I
mean I can't tell you how you felt. You you know,
you were there, but I can just imagine it. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
So then we were we were just like all around him,
and then you could just see sort of his eyes
flickering around. It's like he's going to be okay, he's
going to come through on this. And his skin started
to change color yep. And then you hear the cry.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, you're like, oh my god, you're so relief after that, oh.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Absolutely, And then Jazzy picked him up and she said, well, everyone,
this is our son Reggie.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I was like, oh my god, little Reggie.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yeah, so it was, you know, it was the whole
experience was amazing. And then just that moment like it
was like all of our hearts just at the midwife
was just incredible, Like she's just.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So so fast, but it sounds of fast. It was
all over in like sixty seconds. It probably felt like
a lifetime.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, totally totally.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Even talking about it now, I can still go into
that feeling.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
But was incredible. I don't know if it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
But I had almost an identical experience to her.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
So I was watching her, oh.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
My god, and picturing you in the ament.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
That was me.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Oh, that was the midwife saying to me, I didn't
so my youngest one, Manny, I had a homebirth in London,
and in London it's so well supported homebirths. People don't
ask you what hospital are you going to? They ask
you who your home birth team is, so you just
feel like you can do it anyway. With Manny, I
had contractions all day and then got to about seven
(15:52):
o'clock at night and I did hypno birthing, so just
completely use my breath. So although there were some painful contractions,
I was able to breathe my way through it, and
I got to a point of actually being ecstatic, like
I was actually smiling, like I was elated, Yeah, agasm,
(16:13):
like it was just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
God.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
But anyway, so I'm like elated and going through this thing.
And then I can hear a say to the midwife,
we've got to move her, and she goes move and
she just grabs me and yeah, and puts me on
the floor, puts my legs and just goes in and
pulls him out.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So I'm watching Jazzy go through the same thing.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Oh my god, that's the same thing that happens. So
Jazzy's baby was ten pounds ten pound two. That's a
big baby, and Manny was like nine pound eleven so
he was so both of them, their shoulders dollars are
coming out and they go into shock. And then with
(16:58):
my birth, so what the protocol there is. So what
they did was when many come out, you know, they
quickly put him on me and then they put some
air on him as well, and their protocol is that
you then have to be transferred to hospital. There's been
that sort of intervention, whereas with jazz Is they didn't like,
if the baby's fine, that's okay, you can stay there.
(17:21):
So with my birth, I went into shock because you know,
so you or your body. My body did, but I
went you into shocking. I didn't want to talk and
tell you my baby had made a sound. The ambulance
turned up within four minutes and they took him away,
(17:44):
and I was like, I don't want to talk unless
I know my babies.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
They say they took him away, but they just took
him to the hospital without.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
They took him to the hospital without him because I
had to stay in birth. The placenta, oh, for God's sake.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And I go birth the what.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And she've got that thing out as well.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Birth because my first one, i'd had a cesarean ah
right and Sunny. I'd had a vaginal birth. But I
didn't even know what happened to the placenter. I'd had
an epidural. It was in Malta. There was all this commotion,
you know, they were all cheering me on down the baby.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh I know what.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Happened that they was they came out.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I didn't even hear them say anything about that.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
And then with this one, she says, you can't go
to the hospital, you got to stay in birth the placenta.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And I literally I said to her birth the what ye.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh my god, what do you mean I have to
go through this again? And she goes out, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
So Jazzy was there, but she was in her room,
so she didn't see the birth, but they'd asked her
to come and help me birth the PLUS center. And
my sister was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'm not there for the baby, but I'm there for
the placenter. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
So Mick Manny Sdad he went to the hospital with Mannie.
But in this time, I don't know if Manny's crying
or anything like that. I've got no communication, so I
just didn't want to say anything, and it was like
it didn't feel right to talk unless I knew that
my baby was okay. So anyway, Jazzy gets behind me
(19:19):
and the contractions start and I'm like, this is cruel,
Like this is enough before.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
We go through. I know.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Now I have to birth a Placentah my god, I'm like,
what the hell? So, you know, the contraction start again,
and my poor sister is behind me being like my
birthing palm.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Preparing her for it was a headverse, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
The placenta comes out, and the midwife says, that is
the biggest placenta I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well, Hans, what your baby was so bloody? My god,
I was speeding him so much god, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
But the midwife had actually, the other midwife had said
that in the twenty years that she'd been doing, but
she never had to transfer a baby to hospital.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, so that was the first one for her. So
she was a little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So she just room.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
A recording, you know, right, but she was still amazing,
Like she was incredible. They were both incredible midwives. They're
just you know, just super strong women, gentle loving but
just you can do this kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So anyway with Jazzi's.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Uh, you know, so they you know, Reggie's breathing and everything,
and then she's on the couch and the midwife's like, okay,
now we've got a birtha placenta, and I'm like, oh
my god, not this again, and she got was this
is payback?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Now you're having to sit by her.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Well, I actually sat on the other side of the
couch and I just held her hand while she's going
and I'm like, I'm reliving my birth, yes, sir through
this is incredible. But it actually gave me some closure
in some way because for such a long time Tea,
I just felt so much guilt that I had a
(21:13):
home birth, you know, and that's got all of the.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Weight around it. I mean, I wanted to have a
home birth. In Australia, you had you were guilty about
having the home birth I was.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I mean, when I got to London, I felt I
felt confident doing that. There's a lot of negativity around there.
So for my first one, I wanted to have a
home birth, and back then it was just like, you know,
was here in Australia, yeah, and no one wanted to
go there. And then my second one, we're in Malta
and I rang up the hospital in Malta and if
(21:48):
anyone that's malted, you'll get this, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
The nurse and answers the phone a guy.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
He's just like, what do you mean a homebirth?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
You're good, die, You're gonna kills so dramatic, aren't they bad?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And then he's like, I can't handle this. Josephine, get
on their phone.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
So he calls this other nurse and then she gets
on the phone and she goes, listen, why you want
a home birth?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You could die, you could kill the baby.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
And I'm like, just forget it, all right, forget I
even called. So there was all that, right, So so yeah,
when you know, when I was in London, there was
so much support. Like I said, like, no one asked
what hospital I was going to, people ask what homebirthing team.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Just a really natural thing.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
So I felt confident with that, but I still because
my son came out breathing and had to be taken
to hospital, it was like, fuck, have I done something wrong?
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Did I make the wrong decision?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
You know, I remember speaking to his start a couple
of months afterwards, and you know, when I talk about
the birth, it was an amazing experience, like to actually
do it paint, you know, with no medication or anything
like that. To be out of birth at home is
a completely different experience, and you know, and I said,
it was such an amazing experience, and he said that
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Maney came out not breathing, and I was like, I.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Know, and then that happened in the hospital as well.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Well one percent.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
So yes, there was that shock, but there was other
parts to the birth that were absolutely incredible, and you know,
and I don't want the whole experience to be taken
away from that. So seeing what Jazzy went through, what
the midwife said was as long as the heart's fine,
we know that they're going to be okay, but you've
still only got six or seven minutes to get them
(23:37):
out right. But once they're out, if the heart's it's
going to be okay. And I was just like, Manny
was always going to be okay, you know, because his
heart was okayp He just got shocked. He was just
too big to come out and you know, needed that assistance.
And if it was in hospital, it would have been
the same thing. Put oxygen or h and.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You could have been there. They wouldn't have taken him
away from you, like you know, I'll just take more
in an ambulance. That's right later.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
But you feel like because you're in the hospital, that's
the right thing to do, that's the way to do it.
You know, it's it's not as risky and dada, but
but having a home birth is just it's incomparable, Like
you're so much more relaxed and you haven't got bright
lights in your face. And you know, when I was
in hospital, I memor with angus. I was they were
giving me internals every like hour.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
It felt like all of that.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
With your kids, like with Jess, because Jess was the
first one. I mean all my kids were born in
the hospital, and with Jess being the first one, I
had no idea what was happening. But with her, she
got stuck right because she was tired. I couldn't push
her out. Yeah I was tired. Yes, she's still like
that in life now. Yes, bless you Jess. But you know,
(24:54):
but then my doctor was also delivering babies in other hospitals.
So we're there for three hours trying to push this
baby out. In the end, she was tired. I was tired,
and they've just gone. They gave me an epidural and
said just wait now, and so then the doctor came
and delivered her with the force ups. Josh, I was
actually interested when you were talking about the you know,
(25:16):
Manny and Reggie being so big and the shoulders getting stuck.
So Josh was eight pound eleven and his shoulders didn't
get stuck. However, and I didn't know this at the time.
As he came out, and he had to come out
through forceps as well, we couldn't because he was posteria.
Of course, he was my son who loves to show
his ass to everybody. Of course he was posteria brea
(25:39):
shorts pulled up so you can see the cheeks of
his ass. But he so he they had to pull
him out forceps. But what they had to do was
they took me down to theater in case they had
to do a cesarean. So they had me down in
theater and the doctor said, we're going to try and
pull him out with the forceps. If that doesn't work,
we're going to have to do the cesarean. Now. Luckily,
it worked. When they pulled him out, he broke his
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collar bone, but I didn't know that. I didn't know
that for twenty four hours. It wasn't until the pediatrician
came to check on him twenty four hours later. He
said to me, how's the collar bone and going fine?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Why?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He says, oh, we think he broke it on the
way aund Oh my god. That the bones are soft,
so it's not like it was a break break. I
mean it was a break, but not like if you
had a hard bone that you're breaking because their bones
are so soft.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Right, So he was fine. There was no issues with
him there. And then with Liam. Liam was induced and
I was in the hospital for a day and a half.
I reckon but once once the contractions kicked in, like
it was within three hours, it was bang bang bang,
and he was out. But I don't remember all the
prodding and the poking, like I just all I remember,
(26:47):
especially with Josh, is like going through the contractions and
Mark sitting in the chair and ME going can someone
just be with me? I just I felt like I
wanted the doctor me yeah. And then with Liam, because
I was in a public hospital, we were all in
like little cubicles, and I could hear mums in other
rooms moaning and groaning, and I'm thinking, oh, that's gonna
(27:09):
be fun. Oh my god. When mine kicked in, there
was no moaning and groaning. There was full on, like screaming.
Was so intense because it came so quickly. This is
why I asked you too about when you talked about
going into shock. Yeah. The reason I asked you was
it you or your body? Because my body went into
shock because the labor was so intense and so quick,
(27:31):
Like my body was shaking.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I'm like, I'm supposed to live a baby when my
whole body just keeps shaking like this. Yeah, Oh my god,
the things that we go through. Man.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah, look, the whole thing has just been just in
Like I mean, I just look at my sister and
I'm like, you did that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, fucking did that.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
It's just unreal.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
And because her first berth, she didn't have a good
experience and she was actually told that she wouldn't be
able to have a.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Natural birth such a home birth as well.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
No, it was in a hospital in the country, so
you know, it was limited services and everything there. Yeah,
but she really sought out medical advice and getting other
people's opinions, and you know, there was just that driving.
I was like, no, I'm not going to be told no, Yeah,
I'm going to find a way to do this.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
And she really did.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
She got informed on everything, and then you know, a
friend referred her to this amazing midwife and she just
really encouraged and supported and believed in her and.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah, you know, and she did it. I'm like, you
fucking did it.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's just oh, like I said when we were talking
about this, I had no idea that she was at home, Yeah,
because I remember you messaging me going it started, yeah,
and all like a picture was you guys all hopping
in the cargo.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
As you do exactly.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Yeah, And that's the thing she didn't want everyone to
know as well, because she didn't want people's opinions. Yes,
you know, and I think that's such an important thing
as well, you know, because sometimes you feel like I'm
telling people a lie, or you know, you feel guilty
for not sharing that information. But if you don't feel
supported by the other people, don't tell them no, exactly, dying,
You've got to stay within your power and do that.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
So you know, from my poor dad have no idea.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Did he finally come home and see the pool still
their so take that thing down, get the water out
of the towels. Like well, I can think it's just
chaos around you. It was a lot because there was
what was there five of us there.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
We just got things done quickly and gently and it
was all a very peaceful experience. And I have to
say too, you know, I said to my sister, how
did you feel in that moment, you know, when he
come out?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
And she goes, I was actually fine.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
And I knew that he would be because I'd watch
videos prior, right, and I knew that if his heart
was okay, and you know, I saw the videos where
they were talking to the baby and everything like that,
so I knew that he was going to make it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
YEP.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I spoke to her partner and I said, how did
you feel? And he goes, it was the scary sixty seconds.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Of my life, I can imagine. Yeah, And it was
funny too.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
The week before the birth, the midwife said to her
on a checkup, have you got any questions? And she said, yeah,
I just want to ask you what happens if their
shouldered dustocia And she was like Look, it doesn't happen
a lot. You know, I might have one or two
a year, but this is what happens. And then after
the birth, you know, the midwife was like you remember
(30:31):
you asked me that.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yes, it was like he knew, didn't you.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
You know, you just had this little wow intuity five yep,
that it might be something like that. So it's like
my sister went into it knowing that this is what
will happen, This will be okay, yeah, yeah, incredible.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
What an amazing experience. Huh. And doesn't let us know
if you've had a home birth. I'd love to hear
from you. You can hear someone our socials.
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You have a bit of excitement going on in your
fan and I discovered something about you when we were
talking about this that I had no idea about what's up.
First of all, your sister had a baby. Yes, congratulations
on being an auntie again, thank you. It's so exciting.
And she had homebirth yep, which I first of all
didn't know. But secondly, you've had a home by I've had.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
A home birth. I didn't know that either.
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Speaker 4 (02:14):
It's true, so true.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
But yeah, yeah, my sister had recently had a baby,
her second boy, and I got to be there for
the birth, which was such an honor. And I didn't
expect it at all, you know, because I mean when
when I had my boys, I was quite private with it.
I just wanted to be with their dad and you know,
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and that's it, and just keep it really small and yeah,
not low.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Key I don't have a bersloty, but you know what
I mean, not making it fascinout it exactly, but she
wanted She asked if I would film it and take photos,
and I was like, oh my god, I would I
would love that.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I would love it.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
So I just I felt, yeah, so honored to be
able to do that. And I remember when she was
because I'm twelve years older than her, so I remember
the day that she was born. I looked after her
as a baby, so she's always been like my baby,
ye you know, so it's really special, and you know,
with mum not being around. Not to say I'm my
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sister's mum, but it's a mother figure.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
But she liked that, yeah, in some ways. So yeah,
it was.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
It was amazing.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
And she had her partner there who was incredible, and
she had one of her beautiful friends there. And then
the midwife, the main midwife, and then another midwife turned up,
so just as she was actually birthing, and the main
midwife in particular was absolutely incredible, so was.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
She that the whole time. At what point did the
midwife come in, because I mean you can be in
labor for like twelve hours, so was the midwife there
from the start.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
At what point did she was there?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
She said, when the contractions becoming tense and they go
for about sixty seconds, so to get to message her
and then she'll make her way over. So she did that,
so she started. Jazzy started having contractions about two days before,
just some white ones, and her mucus plug came out.
And their midwife was like, you know it's on. It
(04:19):
could be any day now, yeah, any.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Day by day, And we looked it up.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Sometimes when the mucus plug comes out it can be
any day or like a week away, and we're like, oh.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
My god, please not a week but the whole time though,
aren't you No.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
I don't think so I think it can just come out.
Jazzy started on the Sunday. She started having contractions about
five thirty in the morning. About seven point thirty. I
could hear.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Because she was having a water berth, So is this
in the bath or Jeff a swiming pool in the
middle of them.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
So I could hear a partner band like pumping it up,
and I'm like, that's not the vacuum, that's the polls.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
All this, Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
On So I got up about seven thirty and I'm like,
it's happening and she's like, yeah, I've been having contractions
since about five point thirty and she said, you know,
they feel a lot more intense and everything. So we
set up the room beautifully and it was really funny
because you know, we live with our dad and was
he there. No, So she didn't tell him that she
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was having a homebirth.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He just came home went, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Eat?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
There's a pool in the laundry, spelling woman in the bedroom.
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
But she didn't because he was he would be concerned
because I had a homebirth in London with Manny and
he was concerned about that and a lot of people
are with home best, you know, and understandably it's it's
it's a big thing. So she just said to him, look,
when I start having contractions, would you mind going to
(05:56):
your partner's place?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
And I was like, you got to have a few
drinks for a few.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
So on the SAT Day when she started having contractions,
I went and told him and I said, Dad, yeah,
she's having contractions.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
He goes, yeah, oh, we go on in five minutes.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Get out of here fast enough actually, So he went
on the SAT Day and then I messaged him a
little bit later to say, hey, look they've stopped and
you know, but it could be any day.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So he's just like, oh, stay it his partner's place.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
So anyway, we got the partner band, got the pool
set up on the Sunday and she just went through
the process.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And she had a Thames machine.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, attach them to yourself and they do
they monitor the contractions, is what they do.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
When you start to feel the contraction, you press a
button and it releases like an electrical current.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, I'm really sure.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I didn't use them.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
But when she actually came to, you know, wanting to
be in the pool, we had to take the tams
machines off.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
She was getting electric shocks.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I was pulling out Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, but she said it was amazing and she was amazing,
like she's, you know, obviously having these big contractions and
she was just breathing through them, and you know, she
was making noises every now and then, but she was
very focused. But it was just incredible to watch her.
I mean, have you been to a birth before, Well,
(07:31):
I've had three, Yes, but someone else's bron Oh my god,
it's you know, I mean, when you're going through it yourself,
you're in your world watching someone else, it's like, holy shit,
the things that women go through are totally amazing, and
you know what we can do with our bodies.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
So yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Anyway, so she got to the point where contacted her midwife.
Her midwife turned up and I just felt so relieved
when she was there because it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Would be because that's somebody that is of the medical
world who knows what they're doing sack as opposed to Yeah,
I've had three babies. I know how to spit them out,
but that's about it.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, and this woman knows what she's doing, Like she
totally believes in women in their bodies, in home births,
natural birth.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
She was just she's just such an empowering, inspiring woman.
But she doesn't make a big deal of it, but
you can feel her strength and belief with it. And
you know, she got there and it was so beautiful.
I took a photo of it, and she just grabbed
Jazzy's hands and I don't know what she said to her,
but I could just see that Jazzy was just like
you know yep, yeah, heah, this is good. And then
(08:43):
she did a check on the baby and she said, look,
the baby is engaged and ready to go, and that
brought a sense of relief to Jazzy as well. Yeah,
and then we just sort of sat there quietly at
the table, you know, just watching her.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And so let me picture this. Then you guys are
sitting around the dining table, yeah, and the pools over
in the corner. The pool's in the middle of the
lounge room, right, okay, and Jesse is like pushing away,
pushing out a baby. You guys are sitting there with
teeth no no.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
So at this stage, while we're sitting down on the table,
she's on the kitchen bench having these contractions.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
And then the midwife came over and.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Like massaged her hips and she did that a couple
of times, and then I don't know if it was
on the second or third go, Jesse said, my waters
are broke. And then the next set of contraction, she
was like, I feel like pushing. So we filled up
the pool with warm water. It's going to be about
thirty six or thirty seven degrees, so we did that,
and then she jumped in and just went, you know,
(09:45):
took the Thames machines. I've got their little electric shocks
left that on.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's exact thing in the water. Cute everybody, Hell.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Oh my god, god.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But she took I'm not aware of any other the
pain relief or anything that she took. So she got
in the pool and then her partner was just holding
her on the other side of the pool and she's
just going through these big wave of contractions and I'm like, oh, fuck,
you're amazing, like just just incredible. And then so that
went on for a little bit and then there was progress,
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but you know, it wasn't sort of quite happening. So
then the midwife got her out of the pool and
tried some other moves with her. So she did that
and you could just feel the pain, you know, you
could feel the bigness of these contractions. But again she
just stayed so focused with them. And then that sort
of wasn't getting anywhere, and the midwife said, look, we
(10:42):
don't usually do this position, but we're going to get
you on your back and we're going to see.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
In the pool on the floor. Oh okay, we're going
to see.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
If so like, if you're normally giving birth in hospital,
you're on the bed.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
You're on the bed, but you can kind of sit up.
She was flat on her back and she said, look,
it's not usually a home birthing position, but I just
feel your baby might like this, yep, And and he
did like it actually started to bring him down, and
it was quite uncomfortable for her and she needed a
cushion under her back and everything anyway, so that happened
(11:14):
and then you could start to see the.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Head coming through.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
It was like, oh my god, how freak you are
that effs just you could see the head like it
was amazing.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, it was so amazing. And then she said.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
The midwife said, look, we're going to do a few
of these and we'll get we'll get you into a
position where then you can get back in the water.
And she just said to her, look, do you still
want to have a water birth? And you know, jas
was like, yeah, I do. So she had okay, cool,
so did that and then she said, okay, now we're
ready to get in the pool. So she got in
the pool, had a few more contractions, and there was
(11:48):
a point where she said, I can't do this, and
the midwife was like, yes, you can.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Like just so she was just exalid in so much pain. Yeah,
just the pain, and you know, and it was it
was for a while as well.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I think it was like seven or eight hours or something.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
But yeah, I mean, you know, for all those women listening,
you know exactly exactly know you anyway, so that was
that was going on, and you know, she has kept
going and then the midwife said to her, rather than
making noises outwards, I want you to direct that energy
(12:23):
downwards and bring it all down there.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
So you know, again, my sister was like so focused
and she was able to do that.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
And I'm like, oh my god, this is incredible because
all you want to do is.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Just go, yeah, scream it out exactly. Anyway, it got
to the stage where you know, she did a push
and this.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Little head pops out in the water. I'm like like, god,
this is amazing. Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
So anyway, she did a couple more pushes. So I'm
filming the whole thing, and then the midwife is she
sort of put her hands in the water and she's like,
can you do another push? And I don't know, it
didn't seem to be working. And you can hear the
other midwife say is at the shoulders and she goes yes,
and she grabs one system and she goes get out
(13:10):
and she just gets her out of the pool and
then goes in and pulls pulls the baby out.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Pulls the baby out.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
When he came out, he was blue. His heart was beating,
but he wasn't breathing, and it was just like this
moment of like, Oh, my fucking God, like, are we
gonna what the hell's gonna happen? I'd obviously filming. I
didn't even know I was filming. I mean, I was
there to film a birth, but I didn't even think
(13:39):
that I did, but I did, But I must have
just had the camera and then just looking looking down
and we were all around.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
So Jazzy was on the floor. The midwife got air, puts.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Air on him and started to massage him and sort
of move him around, and then we're all just talking
to him. We're here, we love you, we love you,
and it's just this moment of like, yeah, fucking God, like,
is he going to make this or what the hell.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
You'd be You'd go from this major elation to all
of a sudden major fear. Yeah, and it well, I
mean I can't tell you how you felt. You you know,
you were there, but I can just imagine it. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
So then we were we were just like all around him,
and then you could just see sort of his eyes
flickering around. It's like he's going to be okay, he's
going to come through on this. And his skin started
to change color yep. And then you hear the cry.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, you're like, oh my god, you're so relief after that, oh.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Absolutely, And then Jazzy picked him up and she said, well, everyone,
this is our son Reggie.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I was like, oh my god, little Reggie.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yeah, so it was, you know, it was the whole
experience was amazing. And then just that moment like it
was like all of our hearts just at the midwife
was just incredible, Like she's just.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So so fast, but it sounds of fast. It was
all over in like sixty seconds. It probably felt like
a lifetime.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, totally totally.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Even talking about it now, I can still go into
that feeling.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
But was incredible. I don't know if it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
But I had almost an identical experience to her.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
So I was watching her, oh.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
My god, and picturing you in the ament.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
That was me.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Oh, that was the midwife saying to me, I didn't
so my youngest one, Manny, I had a homebirth in London,
and in London it's so well supported homebirths. People don't
ask you what hospital are you going to? They ask
you who your home birth team is, so you just
feel like you can do it anyway. With Manny, I
had contractions all day and then got to about seven
(15:52):
o'clock at night and I did hypno birthing, so just
completely use my breath. So although there were some painful contractions,
I was able to breathe my way through it, and
I got to a point of actually being ecstatic, like
I was actually smiling, like I was elated, Yeah, agasm,
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like it was just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
God.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
But anyway, so I'm like elated and going through this thing.
And then I can hear a say to the midwife,
we've got to move her, and she goes move and
she just grabs me and yeah, and puts me on
the floor, puts my legs and just goes in and
pulls him out.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So I'm watching Jazzy go through the same thing.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Oh my god, that's the same thing that happens. So
Jazzy's baby was ten pounds ten pound two. That's a
big baby, and Manny was like nine pound eleven so
he was so both of them, their shoulders dollars are
coming out and they go into shock. And then with
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my birth, so what the protocol there is. So what
they did was when many come out, you know, they
quickly put him on me and then they put some
air on him as well, and their protocol is that
you then have to be transferred to hospital. There's been
that sort of intervention, whereas with jazz Is they didn't like,
if the baby's fine, that's okay, you can stay there.
(17:21):
So with my birth, I went into shock because you know,
so you or your body. My body did, but I
went you into shocking. I didn't want to talk and
tell you my baby had made a sound. The ambulance
turned up within four minutes and they took him away,
(17:44):
and I was like, I don't want to talk unless
I know my babies.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
They say they took him away, but they just took
him to the hospital without.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
They took him to the hospital without him because I
had to stay in birth. The placenta, oh, for God's sake.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And I go birth the what.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And she've got that thing out as well.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Birth because my first one, i'd had a cesarean ah
right and Sunny. I'd had a vaginal birth. But I
didn't even know what happened to the placenter. I'd had
an epidural. It was in Malta. There was all this commotion,
you know, they were all cheering me on down the baby.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh I know what.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Happened that they was they came out.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I didn't even hear them say anything about that.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
And then with this one, she says, you can't go
to the hospital, you got to stay in birth the placenta.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And I literally I said to her birth the what ye.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh my god, what do you mean I have to
go through this again? And she goes out, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
So Jazzy was there, but she was in her room,
so she didn't see the birth, but they'd asked her
to come and help me birth the PLUS center. And
my sister was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'm not there for the baby, but I'm there for
the placenter. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
So Mick Manny Sdad he went to the hospital with Mannie.
But in this time, I don't know if Manny's crying
or anything like that. I've got no communication, so I
just didn't want to say anything, and it was like
it didn't feel right to talk unless I knew that
my baby was okay. So anyway, Jazzy gets behind me
(19:19):
and the contractions start and I'm like, this is cruel,
Like this is enough before.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
We go through. I know.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Now I have to birth a Placentah my god, I'm like,
what the hell? So, you know, the contraction start again,
and my poor sister is behind me being like my
birthing palm.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Preparing her for it was a headverse, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
The placenta comes out, and the midwife says, that is
the biggest placenta I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Well, Hans, what your baby was so bloody? My god,
I was speeding him so much god, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
But the midwife had actually, the other midwife had said
that in the twenty years that she'd been doing, but
she never had to transfer a baby to hospital.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, so that was the first one for her. So
she was a little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So she just room.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
A recording, you know, right, but she was still amazing,
Like she was incredible. They were both incredible midwives. They're
just you know, just super strong women, gentle loving but
just you can do this kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So anyway with Jazzi's.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Uh, you know, so they you know, Reggie's breathing and everything,
and then she's on the couch and the midwife's like, okay,
now we've got a birtha placenta, and I'm like, oh
my god, not this again, and she got was this
is payback?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Now you're having to sit by her.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Well, I actually sat on the other side of the
couch and I just held her hand while she's going
and I'm like, I'm reliving my birth, yes, sir through
this is incredible. But it actually gave me some closure
in some way because for such a long time Tea,
I just felt so much guilt that I had a
(21:13):
home birth, you know, and that's got all of the.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Weight around it. I mean, I wanted to have a
home birth. In Australia, you had you were guilty about
having the home birth I was.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I mean, when I got to London, I felt I
felt confident doing that. There's a lot of negativity around there.
So for my first one, I wanted to have a
home birth, and back then it was just like, you know,
was here in Australia, yeah, and no one wanted to
go there. And then my second one, we're in Malta
and I rang up the hospital in Malta and if
(21:48):
anyone that's malted, you'll get this, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
The nurse and answers the phone a guy.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
He's just like, what do you mean a homebirth?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
You're good, die, You're gonna kills so dramatic, aren't they bad?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And then he's like, I can't handle this. Josephine, get
on their phone.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
So he calls this other nurse and then she gets
on the phone and she goes, listen, why you want
a home birth?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You could die, you could kill the baby.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
And I'm like, just forget it, all right, forget I
even called. So there was all that, right, So so yeah,
when you know, when I was in London, there was
so much support. Like I said, like, no one asked
what hospital I was going to, people ask what homebirthing team.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Just a really natural thing.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
So I felt confident with that, but I still because
my son came out breathing and had to be taken
to hospital, it was like, fuck, have I done something wrong?
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Did I make the wrong decision?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
You know, I remember speaking to his start a couple
of months afterwards, and you know, when I talk about
the birth, it was an amazing experience, like to actually
do it paint, you know, with no medication or anything
like that. To be out of birth at home is
a completely different experience, and you know, and I said,
it was such an amazing experience, and he said that
(23:09):
Maney came out not breathing, and I was like, I.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Know, and then that happened in the hospital as well.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Well one percent.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
So yes, there was that shock, but there was other
parts to the birth that were absolutely incredible, and you know,
and I don't want the whole experience to be taken
away from that. So seeing what Jazzy went through, what
the midwife said was as long as the heart's fine,
we know that they're going to be okay, but you've
still only got six or seven minutes to get them
(23:37):
out right. But once they're out, if the heart's it's
going to be okay. And I was just like, Manny
was always going to be okay, you know, because his
heart was okayp He just got shocked. He was just
too big to come out and you know, needed that assistance.
And if it was in hospital, it would have been
the same thing. Put oxygen or h and.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You could have been there. They wouldn't have taken him
away from you, like you know, I'll just take more
in an ambulance. That's right later.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
But you feel like because you're in the hospital, that's
the right thing to do, that's the way to do it.
You know, it's it's not as risky and dada, but
but having a home birth is just it's incomparable, Like
you're so much more relaxed and you haven't got bright
lights in your face. And you know, when I was
in hospital, I memor with angus. I was they were
giving me internals every like hour.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
It felt like all of that.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
With your kids, like with Jess, because Jess was the
first one. I mean all my kids were born in
the hospital, and with Jess being the first one, I
had no idea what was happening. But with her, she
got stuck right because she was tired. I couldn't push
her out. Yeah I was tired. Yes, she's still like
that in life now. Yes, bless you Jess. But you know,
(24:54):
but then my doctor was also delivering babies in other hospitals.
So we're there for three hours trying to push this
baby out. In the end, she was tired. I was tired,
and they've just gone. They gave me an epidural and
said just wait now, and so then the doctor came
and delivered her with the force ups. Josh, I was
actually interested when you were talking about the you know,
(25:16):
Manny and Reggie being so big and the shoulders getting stuck.
So Josh was eight pound eleven and his shoulders didn't
get stuck. However, and I didn't know this at the time.
As he came out, and he had to come out
through forceps as well, we couldn't because he was posteria.
Of course, he was my son who loves to show
his ass to everybody. Of course he was posteria brea
(25:39):
shorts pulled up so you can see the cheeks of
his ass. But he so he they had to pull
him out forceps. But what they had to do was
they took me down to theater in case they had
to do a cesarean. So they had me down in
theater and the doctor said, we're going to try and
pull him out with the forceps. If that doesn't work,
we're going to have to do the cesarean. Now. Luckily,
it worked. When they pulled him out, he broke his
(26:02):
collar bone, but I didn't know that. I didn't know
that for twenty four hours. It wasn't until the pediatrician
came to check on him twenty four hours later. He
said to me, how's the collar bone and going fine?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Why?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He says, oh, we think he broke it on the
way aund Oh my god. That the bones are soft,
so it's not like it was a break break. I
mean it was a break, but not like if you
had a hard bone that you're breaking because their bones
are so soft.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Right, So he was fine. There was no issues with
him there. And then with Liam. Liam was induced and
I was in the hospital for a day and a half.
I reckon but once once the contractions kicked in, like
it was within three hours, it was bang bang bang,
and he was out. But I don't remember all the
prodding and the poking, like I just all I remember,
(26:47):
especially with Josh, is like going through the contractions and
Mark sitting in the chair and ME going can someone
just be with me? I just I felt like I
wanted the doctor me yeah. And then with Liam, because
I was in a public hospital, we were all in
like little cubicles, and I could hear mums in other
rooms moaning and groaning, and I'm thinking, oh, that's gonna
(27:09):
be fun. Oh my god. When mine kicked in, there
was no moaning and groaning. There was full on, like screaming.
Was so intense because it came so quickly. This is
why I asked you too about when you talked about
going into shock. Yeah. The reason I asked you was
it you or your body? Because my body went into
shock because the labor was so intense and so quick,
(27:31):
Like my body was shaking.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I'm like, I'm supposed to live a baby when my
whole body just keeps shaking like this. Yeah, Oh my god,
the things that we go through. Man.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Yeah, look, the whole thing has just been just in
Like I mean, I just look at my sister and
I'm like, you did that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, fucking did that.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
It's just unreal.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
And because her first berth, she didn't have a good
experience and she was actually told that she wouldn't be
able to have a.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Natural birth such a home birth as well.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
No, it was in a hospital in the country, so
you know, it was limited services and everything there. Yeah,
but she really sought out medical advice and getting other
people's opinions, and you know, there was just that driving.
I was like, no, I'm not going to be told no, Yeah,
I'm going to find a way to do this.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
And she really did.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
She got informed on everything, and then you know, a
friend referred her to this amazing midwife and she just
really encouraged and supported and believed in her and.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah, you know, and she did it. I'm like, you
fucking did it.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's just oh, like I said when we were talking
about this, I had no idea that she was at home, Yeah,
because I remember you messaging me going it started, yeah,
and all like a picture was you guys all hopping
in the cargo.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
As you do exactly.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Yeah, And that's the thing she didn't want everyone to
know as well, because she didn't want people's opinions. Yes,
you know, and I think that's such an important thing
as well, you know, because sometimes you feel like I'm
telling people a lie, or you know, you feel guilty
for not sharing that information. But if you don't feel
supported by the other people, don't tell them no, exactly, dying,
You've got to stay within your power and do that.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
So you know, from my poor dad have no idea.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Did he finally come home and see the pool still
their so take that thing down, get the water out
of the towels. Like well, I can think it's just
chaos around you. It was a lot because there was
what was there five of us there.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
We just got things done quickly and gently and it
was all a very peaceful experience. And I have to
say too, you know, I said to my sister, how
did you feel in that moment, you know, when he
come out?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
And she goes, I was actually fine.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
And I knew that he would be because I'd watch
videos prior, right, and I knew that if his heart
was okay, and you know, I saw the videos where
they were talking to the baby and everything like that,
so I knew that he was going to make it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
YEP.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I spoke to her partner and I said, how did
you feel? And he goes, it was the scary sixty seconds.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Of my life, I can imagine. Yeah, And it was
funny too.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
The week before the birth, the midwife said to her
on a checkup, have you got any questions? And she said, yeah,
I just want to ask you what happens if their
shouldered dustocia And she was like Look, it doesn't happen
a lot. You know, I might have one or two
a year, but this is what happens. And then after
the birth, you know, the midwife was like you remember
(30:31):
you asked me that.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yes, it was like he knew, didn't you.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
You know, you just had this little wow intuity five yep,
that it might be something like that. So it's like
my sister went into it knowing that this is what
will happen, This will be okay, yeah, yeah, incredible.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
What an amazing experience. Huh. And doesn't let us know
if you've had a home birth. I'd love to hear
from you. You can hear someone our socials.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
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