October 29, 2024 • 57 mins
Have you ever wondered if life's challenges are a divine test or simply part of our human journey? Embark with us on an introspective journey as we examine the spiritual notion of "thorns" as challenges influenced by sin and the devil. Inspired by a thought-provoking TikTok, we explore the idea that God might leave these struggles in our lives to foster reliance on Him, sparking a lively debate about humility versus spiritual strength. Dive into personal reflections and listener stories shared via email and Instagram, as we all learn to embrace the power that comes from acknowledging our need for our Creator.
Revisit the haunting nostalgia of Halloween traditions, as we reminisce about the vibrant trick-or-treating adventures of yesteryears. Jacksonville's modern celebration seems limited and stretched, sparking our hope for a revival of community spirit. Remember the thrill of picking the best neighborhood for candy hauls? We long for those days and wish to see them return, creating a festive spirit that brings friends and families together once more. Share in our memories and aspirations for a future where Halloween's joy is preserved for generations to come.
Through the lens of Paul Harvey's 1965 radio clip, "If I Were the Devil," we take a reflective look at societal shifts and their striking relevance to today's world. As we navigate through Harvey's eerie predictions, we draw connections to contemporary cultural challenges and the urgent need for spiritual awareness, especially with an election approaching. Join us as we unpack the profound stories from Matthew 8, discussing the cost of following Jesus and the unwavering faith of the centurion. Finally, get ready for an engaging Q&A session where your questions shape our discussions. Whether you're curious about theological debates or just want to weigh in on the best condiments for hot dogs, your voice matters.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Carter's gonna bring us in today yeah, right what do
you?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
mean, you go ahead, you do it so good so good
welcome back everybody.
There you go.
No, I'm all right, you dowelcome back there you go
podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Um, it's just not the same.
It's just not the same.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
No, it's like we're missing somebody.
It's weird, like if we had athird guy, like a third best
friend, maybe they could do that.
Wow, wouldn't that be fun.
Maybe they could do that.
Yeah, they'd be so good at it.
I bet good at it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I bet it's like I can hear their voice right now.
Yeah, oh well, yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
One can dream right.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah Well, welcome back.
I always forget this, but ifyou want to email us, you can
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(01:13):
guys to share the podcast.
Share it with a friend, leave arating, send us feedback.
We appreciate it, but we'll getinto it.
Carter, you got anything to getus going?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Shoot.
I've been praying a lot more.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, I think, just struggling with it, you know,
you kind of just get closer toGod.
Yeah.
And I saw a TikTok.
I got back on tiktok.
I was on a two or three year uh, absence, abstinence, you know
the word.
(01:55):
Yeah, um break and I'm back,but mainly christian stuff on
there, so that's good stuff,yeah.
But I saw this thing.
I wanted to get your thoughtson it.
My thoughts, yep, your thoughts, okay, and our crowd I mean, we
got a lot of fans out there.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh yeah, if you want to say something about it, go
ahead Also if you don't evenhave feedback for us and you
just want to say hi and whereyou're from, we can kind of see
states and countries people arelistening from, but it'd be cool
to interact with some of you.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So if any of you want to just reach out and say, hey,
listening from wherever, that'dbe sweet.
I love that idea.
No, you're good, okay.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So the thing was pretty much that everyone has
this thing in their life thatthey're struggling with and he
put it as a thorn in your body,okay, and the thought was God's
not going to take that out,because without that thorn you
(02:57):
don't need God in your life.
You think you got through thatstruggle and all this stuff and
I wanted to know your thoughtson that, if that was a goofy
thought or if it was, if he wason to something.
Run that by me one more time.
So you have a thorn a problem,something you're struggling with
(03:20):
an addiction, whatever you prayabout it, or an illness or
whatever, and god isn't going tojust heal that instantly,
because then you'll just I don'tgo on with everything.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I don't know if I love the wording of that well,
it's probably my wording is theproblem, the way, that it sounds
to me right now is saying thatGod's giving us these bad things
so that we do keep that we feellike we have to stay attached
to him.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, take that part out of it.
Just, you have problems in life.
It's not God that's settingthese problems on you.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, I mean that's human's fault, right, adam and
Eve caused that to be ourreality, with bringing sin into
the world, and the devil Forsure.
So I mean in that sense, yeah,obviously we need God, we want
to spend eternity with him.
(04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I don't know.
Ask me, you want me to show youthe tiktok?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
take a little break, we can cut this up, sure, okay,
yeah, okay, we'll plug it inright here why is that thorn in
my life?
Speaker 5 (04:37):
because god is trying to make you dependent upon him.
Man, would you hear me on this?
On this, this side of eternity,god is far more concerned with
your dependence than he is withyour deliverance.
I know there's a lot of us likeGod, deliver me and God's like
no, no, no, I'm not, I'm notgoing to leave that thing right
there to keep you dependent andto keep you desperate, and I'm
(04:59):
going to use that to wear youdown and I'm going to use that
to weaken you as a man.
And here's why this is the truth, right?
Because if he removed that onething from your life today, you
wouldn't need him like you needhim right now.
If he took that thorn out ofyour flesh and you know what it
is for you if he took that oneout, you would not seek God like
(05:19):
you seek him right now.
If the temptation to look atporn went away, oh man, there
would be no weakness, there'djust be pride.
If all the anxiety magicallydisappeared which would be great
, praise God for that youwouldn't find yourself in the
presence of God each day.
God, would you show up?
God, I need you to do a work inme, if God took away that
(05:42):
temptation to go to the bottleand to ease the pain with
alcohol, there would be nodesperation for God and you
would just be another mancoasting through life, having no
idea what life is all about,believing the lie that you have
no need of God.
And men, look at me, you needhim more than you could ever
comprehend.
Strong men understand this.
(06:04):
Strong men don't buy into thelie that I got it and I can do
it and I'm fine on my own.
No strong men understand I needmy creator and I need my father
and I need him to show up in mylife each and every day in ways
that I cannot show up formyself.
And God is leaving that thornin you to remind you of that so
(06:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think I'm still a little bit hung up on the
wording of it.
I understand the message he'ssaying.
It starts off weird, I think.
I think the way I see it anyway, so maybe I'm wrong.
God is our father.
A good father wants you to grow, and if that growing is through
(06:58):
pain, then I think he's goingto let you work through it, I
guess with him recognizing it, Iguess.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Obviously, he can see it With you being able to lean
on him through it.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I don't know.
I think maybe the wording isjust throwing me off.
It seems like he's almostsaying that he's giving it to us
, that he's giving us the painso that we can.
Yeah.
I don't know, maybe I'm gettinghung up on that, but I
understand the message.
I don't think God, I don'tthink he wants us to suffer.
(07:43):
God doesn't want us to suffer.
It's human's fault for and likeI said, and devil's fault for
sin coming into this world whichgives us that pain and
struggles.
I don't know, I don't know whatmy thoughts are on that.
I guess I'd be curious.
(08:03):
Did you show your dad that I'dbe curious to you ask did you
show your dad that I'd becurious to see what he said?
Just because I think it's justthe way, I think it's just for
me, it's just the wording of it.
Like I said, I understand and Idon't think parts of it.
I think parts of it aredefinitely right where, like, we
need to lean on him, we needGod.
(08:23):
But to me it sounds like he'ssaying God's giving us this pain
.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I understood it, as he isn't taking away temptation,
yeah, where we just are finewith everything and don't
struggle to sin.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I guess, yeah, I get it yeah.
And that's kind of how I tookit.
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's why I liked it .
I was just curious.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, I guess in that thought he's not just going to
remove it without us.
So I guess if we got that thorn, it's our fault anyways.
So I guess maybe I just need tothink that we walked through
that thorn bush, so now we'vegot thorns.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So that's our own fault, but God's not going to
come by and pluck them out forus and make it not hurt, I guess
.
So I guess I can kind of get onboard with that.
It's sin that we need toovercome with God and instead of
God just removing it for uswithout, I guess, learning from
(09:44):
it, understanding that sin, ifwe stay in that sin it does
separate us from him a bit, butyeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, it's a good thinking question.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, you guys can let us know what your thoughts
are too thinking question.
You guys can let us know whatyour thoughts are, too Um.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I don't have anything really to jump onto after that.
That's that related.
I have a bunch of random things.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I have a quick rant.
This is not I love your rants.
This is not a Christian relatedrant.
Um, and I think I talked aboutit last year around halloween
those daggum kids it's not that.
Oh, it is jacksonvillehalloween.
This is.
This might be coming off alittle strong, but especially
(10:39):
from a macedonian outsider.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Where's your roots?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
where's your yeah all right, go ahead, go ahead, go
ahead no, you go I've.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I've lived a handful of places, right like I've.
I've been different placesthroughout different years, so
I've experienced halloween as akid in different places.
I don't remember it being likeit is now and I understand the
way some communities set up theway they have it because of
(11:15):
safety and all the crazy peopleout there now.
But Jacksonville Halloween ismaybe one of the dumbest things.
It's so strong, but one of thedumbest ways to do
trick-or-treating.
I think there's two streets inall of Jacksonville that people
(11:36):
basically trick-or-treat on Twostreets.
If you don't live on those twostreets, there will be no
trick-or-treaters.
I had two last year likewhatever I don't.
I'm not saying that like, butlike I remember going
neighborhood to neighborhood asa kid yeah going trick.
Yeah, what are you saying, yeahfor?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
well.
So we had spots, we had hotspots yeah like just down the
road from here, okay, so whendid this change?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I don't know, yeah, and it's two nights now I have a
problem with that?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
and it's two nights now.
I have a problem with that.
You trick-or-treated on twonights, Yep Get out of here this
year.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Maybe I'm wrong.
They're not even doing it overHalloween because Halloween
falls on a Thursday, or maybethey talked about it.
Maybe they're not doing it thisway, I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong a couple times.
No, you're good, I'll just gowith it.
But I think there was talkswhere they are doing
trick-or-treating on the weekendfollowing Halloween, like the
weekend that's closest toHalloween.
(12:31):
So if it was a Monday orTuesday, they'd do it the
weekend before or the weekendafter.
If it's later in the week,that's not even
trick-or-treating then.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's.
November or yeah, that's I uhyeah, on the weekend they're
gonna, or whatever you're saying.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I don't know if they are this year.
I heard that they were talkingabout doing okay as I say
already listening to MariahCarey no kidding.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I mean we're on to Christmas music at that point
yeah, it's, it's, I don't know,it drives me nuts.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I understand it, maybe a little bit in
Jacksonville, if you want tosplit it up with South
Jacksonville.
If you're going to do that, isthat how they do it?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I don't know All I remember I quit going pretty
young, but what?
I do remember is jump out ofthat van.
It was freaking cold.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Let's go get some candy.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That was part of trick-or-treating as a kid, yeah
and we weren't city people.
Yeah, so we'd kind of just like, oh, that's a big old house
right there.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
They give out the full-size candy bars.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
The best trick-or-treating I remember was
up in Duluth in Minnesota,because you'd pick out your
neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Duluth is a fairly we't go like crazy far around
the city, I guess, or likeoutside of it, but the loot's
fairly large.
But you'd have yourneighborhoods and you knew where
to go yeah you knew where thedoctors lived.
And oh yeah, you go get thoselarge candy bars yeah, there was
a house just down the way.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I don't know whose house it was, but we went there
two years in a row.
I think I got like 16, 17 centsTwo years ago.
Huh.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Two years ago.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, I just.
I mean, you know, whenever Iwas a little tyke I got like 16,
17 cents one time.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
What?
Yeah, it was sick.
Did you get some change?
Oh?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
yeah, Didn't have no candy Like dude.
We're coming back here nextyear.
This is fire.
That's funny.
I can get a piece of boat gum.
Phew, it was awesome.
Start jingling your bag alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, I was fired up, I just think I don't know.
To go down one road, one streetand then down another and then
be done for the night.
Yeah, like lazy parents shoutout parents.
And the two night thing I agreewith.
I think I don't understand that.
That's like like, what's thepoint?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
yeah so like I was like trying to understand it and
maybe they do do it this way,if they do south, south
Jacksonville and Jacksonvilleand like, but I don't remember
handing out candy as a kid, Ifeel like, yeah, the younger
kids went out earlier, like dusk, you know.
Yeah, and then the older kidswere out until like nine or 10
(15:17):
or whatever maybe not 10, butlike after when it was dark.
It was clearly dark and you'd go.
So if you were handing outcandy, then sure you'd hand out
a little earlier, and then ifyou're trick-or-treating, you go
after.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But I don't know that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I just think it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, I agree, it's not the same.
We need to get back to thebasics, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Like, get with your group of friends, you guys go
neighborhood to neighborhood.
Get some candy.
Get some candy and you take itback to your house.
You compare who got the most orwhat.
Who got the best candy?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
and if someone gets in trouble then you trade
Jacksonville.
Don't ruin it for everybody.
Let's still have fun the nextyear to come.
You know we'll forget it.
It's okay, sure.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't know what you mean by that, some vandalism or
something I don't know.
Some troublemakers out there,that wasn't even talked about.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, I know.
I'm just saying there'sprobably some rules on that.
That's why they're shuttingdown late and going two nights
in South Jackson and all that.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And also Jackson and all that.
All I've heard is people sayingit's so that people can hand
out candy to trick-or-treaterstoo.
That's stupid.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Nobody wants to hand out candy anyway, and Let the
parents do that.
You don't need to go two nights.
You don't need that much candyLike come on.
You don't liketrick-or-treating, that much.
You want one day a year.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And also I know we talked about this last year if
you're gonna trick or treat, saytrick or treat, yeah, don't
open the door, or don't let meopen the door and you just stare
at me, yeah that I'll close.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I'll close the door right in your face.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I don't care like you say trick or treat, hold your
bucket out or your pillowcase orbag, whatever you got there and
then what you say trick ortreat.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
what do you say after you get your little candy?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Thanks, you say thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And parents shout out , parents out there, make them
say thank you.
Make them say trick or treatone time.
Just do it one time at my house, that's all I care about.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
If I had a house, a little cabin in the woods,
seriously figure it out.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, come on, all right, Also, we love
Jacksonville Shout out.
Jacksonville.
Sure, huge, huge Jacksonvilleguys Lived here all my life, so
that was one of my things,halloween.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That was one of my topics.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, but I wrote it down.
I gotta scribble it out righthere.
Whatever, second Okay, campingwhat?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
about it.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Beauty of weather.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Beauty of a weather, oh the weather is a beauty, I'll
tell you what Good English.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I get it.
Love what I'm hearing.
Freaking beauty Today.
High of what?
68?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
About yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Some are saying 67.
Beauty Perfect, get that firelit up, let's go make some
steaks in the woods.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
What's been driving me nuts is like the 41 in the
morning but 85 in the afternoon.
85 is crazy, so dumb.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
How am I supposed to live, laugh, love in these type
of conditions?
You know what I mean.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I can't get behind that one.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I mean, I get what you're saying, but I can't
follow that train, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Do you live?
Yeah, you're laughing right now.
Come on, spread some love,brother, come on.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Camping, can I?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
go.
Maybe we need to take this to asolo podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, some are saying , Some are saying I mean come on
.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
No, no, I'm just kidding, we going this weekend.
No, I'm hunting this weekendSaturday evening, probably all
weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Shoe.
So no, I'll go Sunday night.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I got school Monday.
I am not getting up at 5 amfrom a campsite to get home and
get to school.
What if I?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
make you breakfast or something in the morning.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
We'll see, yeah but I wouldn't be able to go.
I wouldn't get to the standSunday morning.
We could both hunt.
I don't know.
We can talk about it, I guess.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Where I'm at.
I don't have permission there,but I know a guy.
You know a guy.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I know a guy, maybe know a guy.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, I know a guy.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, maybe we can talk In the works, in the works.
It'll be in the works, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I'd love to camp, though I do want to camp.
Oh, I want to go.
So bad, I love it, freakinglove it.
Whatever happened to our tripout west?
Oh, I became unemployed.
That's what happened.
That's pretty big, yeah, yeah,so money.
But I am going westward in, notthis weekend.
(20:14):
Well, by the time this comesout, it'll be that weekend.
You going to Okie, okie from.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Muskogee, you going to a game?
Yeah, oklahoma State versus whoI don't know.
I just show up, I going to agame.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, oklahoma State versus who, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I just show up.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I already bought a ticket.
I don't know who they'replaying.
It's an away game, yeah, yeah.
I've actually got to drive 10more hours somewhere.
It's all right.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You're the only one showing up at the stadium.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, I got to get some orange, though, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, gotta get some orange, though, you know, yeah,
or something you know don't,yeah, I won't.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Where are the other teams?
Colors, whatever?
They are kind of funny.
I should.
I don't know who.
Yeah, I don't know who they'replaying.
I gotta do some research, um,but yeah, that'll be, that'll be
fun.
I'm very excited.
Yeah, I haven't seen my ball inforever, um, like four months
probably really probably huhfourth of july.
(21:09):
How many months ago was that I?
Don't know, do the math we'llsave that for another time.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, a couple minutes yep all right, you get
us on track here no, I don'tknow if I have anything else
random to talk about here oh, isthe pub peddler coming up?
Oh, I forgot about that oh, Ilove it yeah, brady, probably
won't do that though no, I meanI mean that the other dude?
Yeah that probably won't dothat this year guy.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, that'd be fun, I love it.
I love biking around town withthe boys, with the boys.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Oh, I was going to ask you any update on your
go-kart.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
No, frame still broke .
I haven't touched it since.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
No, looking for a new one.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No, I just actually right before we did this, I was
looking on Facebook Marketplace.
I found one for $650.
Oh, already got engine together, already ready to rock.
And roll.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I thought you were just looking for a frame, though
yeah, but the frames arefreaking like just as much.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Why?
I don't know.
That's crazy, it's bull crap,because if I found a frame, it'd
be pretty easy.
I'd just have to do the samething.
I just did to that one, right,but now I know how to do it.
So, um oh, I just did to thatone, right, but now I know how
to do it.
So, oh, um, oh, I got a newheadlamp, okay, so that was
(22:37):
exciting.
So next time we're searchingfor some oh Deer.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, our flashlights .
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, maybe we can see Longer than like an hour.
We can actually follow theblood, yeah our flashlights died
.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Maybe we can see longer than an hour.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, instead of using our phones because our
flashlights died and ourheadlamps died, so I got a new
one.
There you go and I got a newhat, and I got new jeans.
That hat's goofy, though, dude.
No dude, it's so warm.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, you got it.
You look like a freaking dweeb.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You can't even spell dweeb Dweeb, you freaking nerd,
spell it.
No, you can't spell it.
W what?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Bro started with a W.
What is going?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
on.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
D-W-E-E-B.
Dweeb.
All right, I was getting aheadof myself, right?
That's a pretty bad one there.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
So that leads into my point.
Right there, I'm spending toomuch money.
As an unemployed feller I'vebeen struggling with it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I'm employed and I still spend way too much money.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Oh man, I love it and I should quit it, but I can't.
No, oh man, I I love it and Ishould quit it, but I can't.
Yeah, no, I do, I think I doreally good, and then I don't
buy a couple things and then Ijust go and buy.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, it's like once a month for me.
Oh, I'm doing good, let me getsome of that.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, and I spend too much yeah two day span so I
gotta wear the hat date yourmoney's worth, yeah, there you.
There you go.
It was like $10.
Oh boy, If I wear it 10 times Adollar a day.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
A dollar a day, a hundred times.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Shoot.
You know the math on that.
Anyways.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
All right, all right To get us kind of going into the
right direction.
I came across this Well shootwas a a reel of someone they
were asking chat gpt um, aquestion along the lines of like
if you were satan, how wouldyou kind of work against god?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
in this world.
But it made that, but it mademe think of.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I heard this video a long time ago, not a long time
ago, a couple years ago maybe.
This is a radio clip from 1965.
I'm going to play it for us tolisten, okay.
And it's titled If I Were theDevil.
Yes, okay, I love this one.
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It's crazy, I love it so much.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah it's titled.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
If I Were the Devil?
Yes, okay, I love this one.
It's crazy.
I love it so much.
Yeah, it's so good so listen tothis, and then I don't know if
I have anything to say about it.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Get ready guys.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
It just reminded me of it and I'm like holy crap.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I remember getting chills the first time I heard
this Buckle in, lock in andlisten to this bad boy.
Three minutes here, let's go,here we go.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
It is a little grainy .
If I were the devil?
If I were the devil, If I werethe prince of darkness, I'd want
to engulf the whole world indarkness and I'd have a third of
its real estate and four-fifthsof its population.
But I wouldn't be happy until Ihad seized the ripest apple on
the tree, the.
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So I'd set about, howevernecessary, to take over the
United States.
I'd subvert the churches.
First, I'd begin with a campaignof whispers.
With the wisdom of a serpent, Iwould whisper to you as I
whispered to Eve Do as youplease.
To the young I would whisperthat the Bible is a myth.
I would convince them that mancreated God instead of the other
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way around.
I would confide that what's badis good and what's good is
square.
And the old I would teach topray.
After me our father which artin Washington.
And then I'd get organized.
I'd educate authors in how tomake lurid literature exciting
so that anything else wouldappear dull and uninteresting.
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I'd threaten TV with dirtiermovies and vice versa.
I'd peddle narcotics to whom Icould.
I'd sell alcohol to ladies andgentlemen of distinction.
I'd tranquilize the rest withpills.
If I were the devil, I'd soonhave families at war with
themselves, churches at war withthemselves and nations at war
with themselves, until each inits turn was consumed and with
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promises of higher ratings, I'dhave mesmerizing media fanning
the flames, fanning the flames.
If I were the devil, I wouldencourage schools to refine
young intellects, but neglect todiscipline emotions.
Just let those run wild.
Until, before you knew it,you'd have to have drug-sniffing
dogs and metal detectors atevery schoolhouse door.
Within a decade I'd haveprisons overflowing.
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I'd have judges promotingpornography.
Soon I could evict God from thecourthouse, then from the
schoolhouse, and then from thehouses of Congress and in his
own churches.
I would substitute psychologyfor religion and deify science.
I would lure priests andpastors into misusing boys and
girls and church money.
If I were the devil, I'd makethe symbol of Easter an egg and
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the symbol of Christmas a bottle.
If I were the devil, I'd takefrom those who have and give to
those who wanted, until I hadkilled the incentive of the
ambitious and what'll you bet.
I couldn't get whole states topromote gambling as the way to
get rich.
I would caution againstextremes in hard work, in
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patriotism, in moral conduct.
I would convince the young thatmarriage is old-fashioned, that
swinging is more fun that whatyou see on TV is the way to be,
and thus I could undress you inpublic, and I could lure you
into bed with diseases for whichthere is no cure.
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In other words, if I were thedevil, I'd just keep right on
doing what he's doing, PaulHarvey.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
That's from 1965.
Mm-hmm, that's from 1965.
And I know we have somelisteners that I'm not going to
say that's an old video becauseI don't want to offend anybody
but, you can hear it a littlebit, yeah, but it is pretty
crazy.
(28:58):
It's crazy to see.
I'm sure we could maybe inyears try to kind of see where,
not just our country but theworld is going to.
But it's crazy to think shoot,that's what 60 years ago about
(29:20):
now, 60 years ago, that they canpretty accurately yeah describe
what's going on how true thatvideo is now, um which I wonder
how true it was exactly 70s80s, and now it's just like even
worse, even further yeah, itwas crazy and the parts that
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like stuck out to me with itmade me think of you know, with
the election coming up andeverything soon.
It reminded me of that.
Your dad talked about it aroundthe last election during the
Bible study, I think it waswhoever we vote for, we should
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be praying that whoever getselected and whoever else is
making decisions in our countryis doing it for the right
reasons, and all that andputting god first.
Still, I'm not the government,I guess, um, I don't know.
It just was like it is crazythe way things seem right now
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and it's like yeah, I just needto focus on God.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Especially like recent stuff I've seen kind of
crazy, which kind of makes itmore obvious to me that we can't
trust in society and we justhave to put all our faith and
(31:05):
trust in God.
Yeah.
And to not do that is a weirdgamble, I think, but I look at
it probably differently thanmost people.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, I don't know it's.
It's just it was kind of likeand that the video I was talking
about before, where they askedAI to say if you were adult, if
you were Satan, and what wouldyou do to kind of destroy the
church.
In a sense it was the reason itmade me think of this, because,
like ai was giving like thesame answers, I'm like, well,
(31:45):
there's a video of someone from65 talking about the same things
.
And here we are, but a littlebit, just a little extra
thinking, yeah, before we getinto matthew, chapter 8, um
that's how sneaky that littlefreaking snake is.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Dude, sneaky little snake.
We gotta look out for him, he'severywhere.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Do you want to start or do you want me?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It doesn't matter.
I believe I'm further in thanyou.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I'll kind of start then.
Okay, kind of following alongwith how we've done it so far is
we're not going to read throughall of chapter 8 or each
chapter, but we're past theSermon on the Mount.
So this is after that.
But, like we've said, evengoing through the Sermon on the
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Mount, each chapter, there'sjust there's always way more in
it than you think about before.
you, like, are really trying topick stuff apart I guess You're
like, oh my gosh, like you couldspend two hours talking about
that, and that's not even whatcaught my eye initially.
Yeah, so definitely go read therest of chapter 8, whatever we
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don't talk about today and whatwe do, yeah, check us too.
But the part that stuck out tome was Matthew 8, 5 through 13.
It's the faith of the centurion, I guess I'll.
It's a little long, but I'llread it real quick, in case
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someone's driving whilelistening or something like that
and wants to know what I'mtalking about.
So it says when Jesus hadentered Capernaum, a centurion
came to him asking for help.
Lord, he said.
My servant lies at home,paralyzed, suffering terribly.
Jesus said to him shall I comeand heal him?
The centurion replied Lord, Ido not deserve to have you come
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under my roof, but just say theword and my servant will be
healed.
For I myself am a man underauthority, with soldiers under
me.
I tell this one go, and he goes, and that one to come and he
comes.
I say to my servant do this,and he does it.
When Jesus heard this, he wasamazed and said to those
following him truly, I tell you,I have not found anyone in
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Israel with such great faith.
I say to you that many willcome from the east and the west
and will take their place at thefeast with Abraham, isaac and
Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,but the subjects of the kingdom
will be thrown outside into thedarkness, where there will be
weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Then Jesus said to thecenturion Go, let it be done
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just as you had believed itwould.
And his servant was healed atthat moment.
So the first thing that stuckout to me was so this centurion
did not have a jewish background.
He was just another roman wholikely believed, growing up
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anyways believed in the Romangods.
That was the first thing,because for someone, a Roman, to
go out of their way and he hadto have obviously believed at
this point to go to Jesus andsay, lord, he's not saying, hey,
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you, who you're, you seem to bedoing these things.
Would you mind helping me out?
He's going to him and, lord,like I know, I know that you can
do this.
Yeah.
Can you please help my servant?
And that part was like I didn'treally think about it that way
before.
It's like this guy, he isputting himself in harm's way If
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other Romans see himinteracting with a Jewish person
and this Jesus that's gettingall this buzz around this area.
He's not putting himself in agood spot and so his job is a
military officer, so he's incharge of people.
Like he said and like I said,the one of the parts that just
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it just stuck out to me so muchwas that he went there with such
a great faith as Jesus said it.
No one else up until this point, or maybe even ever, showed
this amount of faith to Jesusabout what he knew he could do.
So he knew that Jesus had theauthority to just say it, which
was the next part that stuck outto me.
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I didn't really catch it.
It goes into the same thing,but it's just like adding to it.
I was reading it and it says Itell this one to go and he goes,
and that one to come and hecomes.
I say to my servant do this,and he does it.
I didn't really understand whyhe was putting that in there,
like why he was saying that atfirst, the first time I read
through that.
But he's saying I haveauthority over people.
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I know what authority feelslike and what happens when I say
something.
And he's saying Jesus, in someway he's seen, he's probably
seen Jesus, whether it'steaching, maybe he's seen him
heal.
We don't know much about thisguy outside of this, but he's
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been in the area.
He knows who Jesus is, so he'sprobably seen Jesus perform a
miracle, heal people, at leastteach, or at the very least he's
heard all this from the Jewsthat he's kind of patrolling
around during all this time.
So he's saying I know whatauthority is and I know that you
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have the authority.
Just say it.
You don't need to even come seehim, just say it.
And I know that you have theauthority, just say it.
You don't need to even come seehim, just say it.
And I know it will be done,because I know what that feels
like.
I say to do that it happens andI know that you have that
authority to heal and to do allthis stuff for anyone in this
world.
And that was like that was justmore proof to his faith.
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It's not just him going out ona whim saying I don't want my
servant or whoever this personis, to just die in my house or
wherever and just say, well,everyone's saying he can do this
stuff.
Let me just go say, hey, go dothis for me.
He's going to him begging.
(38:22):
Basically, I like I need youand I know you can heal this guy
.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
And he believed in jesus and that he was what he
was hearing, that he was um yeah, he came in very humbly and not
in a way where he was like hey,I've heard these things, come
prove it to me.
Yeah, it was.
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I believe this.
I believe you are who you sayyou are.
You've got more importantthings to do.
So if you just say it, I knowit can happen, which is amazing.
Obviously, jesus took note andmade a short lesson out of it to
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his disciples.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, so pretty cool story, the other part too.
You kind of made me like whenyou said, you know, humbling
himself.
I guess in that is again likehe's Lord.
Lord, I need you, Like I.
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, he says, I do not deserve to have you come
under my roof.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
It's not.
Hey, lord guy like I don't wantyou to come to my house because
I don't want other romans tosee you it's yeah, I don't
deserve you to come to my house.
I want you to like, I wouldn'tstop you if you did kind of
thing, but I don't deserve tohave you under my roof, not like
uh, okay, you're a jew, I'm aroman, you can't come into my
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house, but if you can dosomething, do it for me or come
when it's dark.
Don't let anyone see you.
I don't deserve to have you inmy house and I know that you can
do this for me, but I thoughtthat was a pretty cool little
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pretty neat yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I feel like there's which we say this every time.
Reading over this the lastcouple days, there's been a lot
of ways I could have went withmine, yeah, and I don't know if
me choosing one or the other isany more important.
But, like we've said before,just get in and read a little
(40:48):
bit.
Yeah, that's once a day, orwhatever.
Just look at it.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Maybe if there's something we don't cover and you
just want to share yourthoughts with someone over a
certain, write in to us and letus know.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, I like that idea Because I mean we're
definitely skipping over somestuff right that stuff that
people would definitely be like.
Oh yeah, that's, we know thatstory kind of thing they might
connect with it more, but thisis just what we've um, well,
keith has researched, is I kindof just looked over and be like
(41:24):
I'll just take that one, I guess?
Um, but just what catches oureye, Don't be shy to dig into
your Bible, I guess is what I'msaying.
So the one that I went afterwas the Cost of Following Jesus.
It is Matthew 8, 18 through 22.
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So it's the cost of followingJesus.
When Jesus saw the crowd aroundhim, he gave orders to cross to
the other side of the lake.
Then a teacher of the law cameto him and said Teacher, I will
follow you wherever you go.
Jesus replied Foxes have holesand birds in the air have nests,
(42:11):
but son of man has no place tolay his head.
Another disciple said to himLord, first let me go and bury
my father.
But Jesus told him follow meand let the dead bury their own
dead.
And let the dead bury their owndead.
So that last one is kind ofconfusing to me Follow me and
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let the dead bury their own dead.
And well, I guess I'll let youexplain your thought on it.
What we had talked about beforeon what you took that as.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, so it was it kind of.
It kind of relates to a partthat I I kind of skipped over in
the in the part that I read inthe way that I connected, I
guess.
So, real quick, I'm going tojump back to um, verse 12.
Verse 12 in chapter 8.
He says but the subjects, sorry, I'll go 13.
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Sorry, so sorry.
I'm going to jump back to verse11 and 12 of Matthew 8.
He says I say to you that manywill come from the east and the
west and will take the places atthe feast with Abraham, isaac
and Jacob in the kingdom ofheaven.
That was a weird little catchfor me.
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It says Jesus is saying thatthe subjects of the kingdom are
going to be thrown outside intothe darkness, separated from God
, where they will be weeping andgnashing of teeth.
The subjects of the kingdom aregoing to be thrown outside into
the darkness, separated fromGod, where there will be weeping
and gnashing of teeth.
And I didn't understand thatone at all, and maybe I still
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don't.
But my other Bible that I lookat has the footnotes and I was
looking at that like, okay, whatis this saying?
Well, it's saying that whenJesus is talking about the
kingdom here, when he's sayingthe subjects of the kingdom are
the Jews of this time that justexpect to because they grew up a
Jew to be in heaven.
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Like, oh, I'm from a Jewishfamily, I go to the synagogue
and I'm just going to be kind ofgiven my right it's my
birthright to be in heaven withGod, kind of thing, and that's
not who God wants to spendeternity with.
If you think you're justgetting like, well, I deserve
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this because we don't.
So with that, when Carter wastalking about that in my head I
was like, well, is he talkingabout where he says let the dead
bury their own dead, where he'srepeating himself, kind of.
I was like, well, is he talkingabout the non-believers or the
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non-devout Jews?
I guess at that time.
So the people that, what did Isay?
Non-devout Jews?
I guess at that time.
So the people that, what did Isay?
What was the phrase?
I can't remember, but that's howI took it and maybe I'm wrong.
There's a great chance that I'mwrong in that part where it
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says let the dead bury their owndead.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm sure there's somebody outthere listening that probably
has a better spin on it.
But before just kind ofthinking, I kind of thought the
same thing as you like.
Well, that's probably peoplethat aren't following Jesus, or.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Trying to follow the law at that time.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Think they're doing Following God but not actually
doing the actions, I guess, andfollowing him.
But in this and I don't knowhow much we should trust chat
GPT, I don't know.
(46:20):
I don't know about that, but Idid look it up just to get a
kind of opinion or what theinternet thought um, and it says
it emphasizes the urgency andpriority of following him over
traditional obligations thisreflects the radical commitment
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required to be a disciple,prioritizing spiritual matters
over social and familialexpectations.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Familial that makes sense, though, that Jesus is
saying hey, I'm not going to behere forever.
Follow me, learn from this timethat I have physically on this
earth, and let that part takecare of itself.
(47:17):
Yeah.
Because time's a little bit ofthe essence here.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, and I wonder like I'm sure this disciple had
family or a wife or friends thatcould have buried him.
I think we're reading into ittoo much.
Maybe, but I think for thatdisciple to go right now is more
important than worrying aboutwhat's going to happen there and
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then push it off.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Well, it's like the other, the other time, where
someone says like well, whatshould I do?
And jesus is like follow me,don't like follow me, be a
disciple.
And he's like well, let me goback and finish my affairs.
Like I gotta get things inorder before I leave and he's
like no, I think that's not how.
This isn't the time for thatyeah just follow me.
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And he doesn't follow, hedoesn't go with Jesus.
He goes back and wants to gethis stuff in order and think of
it like a house fire Like youcan't grab your stuff and put it
around.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
You got to go, brother.
Yeah, that's the importance ofit.
Kind of weird, it's been on it,but just something popped in my
head.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Kind of weird to bet on it, but just something popped
in my head, but we talked aboutit last episode and it's like
we know that anything Jesus said, like he didn't waste a breath
yeah, he meant everything hesaid and there was meaning to
what he said.
Yeah, so maybe we're nothitting it on the spot there In
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Matthew 8, verse 22.
The dead bury their own yeah.
Someone reach out and tell us.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I don't know.
I assume we're close.
I think we're kind of gettingthe message there.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
I think the main thing is follow me, yeah, yeah,
the urgency of it, the cost offollowing Jesus.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
That's literally the title of that little paragraph
there.
Um, and the other one that Ipicked up on was jesus replied
and said foxes have holes, birdsof the air have nests and the
Son of man has no place to layhis head, meaning these animals
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have their homes that they go to.
We're going to be on the move.
There's going to be somestruggle on this journey.
It's not going to be easy.
I mean it's not.
It's gonna be tough, but followme and we're gonna change lives
and all this good stuff.
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Yeah, spread the word.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I kind of take that as Jesus saying too is like hey,
I'm for everyone yeah.
I'm for everyone, like I'm notjust gonna be in this spot, I'm
not just going to be in thisspot, I'm not going to be in
this area.
I'm on the move and I'm tryingto reach as many people as
possible, kind of thing, butyeah.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yep, that's what I got from those four sentences.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Yeah, and then, like I said, there's some pretty good
other passages in this chapter.
Yeah, jesus called him thestorm.
Oh brother, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
We all fall for that right there oh yeah.
Like trust.
Yeah, it's so tough.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
I guess, to quickly talk about it, it's one of those
things, though any one of us,any other person that was on
that boat with Jesus, would havereacted the exact same way.
Oh yeah, we all would have yeah.
And I actually saw someonetalking about this recently.
It's like most of the disciplesa handful of them at the very
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least were fishermen for theirjob, so they had been on the
boat and on the sea a lot andprobably through some bad storms
and it this one's so bad thatthey're like hey yeah jesus
we're gonna die if you do what'sgoing on here, like are we
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gonna die on this boat?
like do something, yeah, jesus.
Like you have no faith, like,yeah, you think I'm gonna die on
a boat.
Like do something, yeah, jesusis like you have no faith, like,
yeah, you think I'm gonna dieon a boat.
You think me of all people yeahno, but like it's like.
What are you, what are yougetting all worried about?
Speaker 2 (51:37):
kind of gangster play by jesus.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
There you have little just be sleeping and the boats
getting crashed on by waves andstuff Got up and rebuked the
winds and the waves and it wascompletely calm.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
It was back to that authority.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah Said hey.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Pipe down out there.
Yeah, the wind and the people,brother, true, true, yeah, it is
crazy because those people too.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
They've spent so much time with Jesus, yeah.
And then they're like who isthis man?
Yeah, the waves and the windobey him.
Yeah, I've seen all this otherstuff, but that's some crazy
stuff right there and to stillbe surprised by it is.
Like I said, anyone else likely, I guess would probably have
reacted the exact same way.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, and that's my judgmental heart is like at some
point.
I would know like yeah, I couldbe better than these people
Like, come on, he's done allthis stuff and you still ain't.
No, I'd be not.
I wouldn't be any of thesepeople, I'd be worse, probably.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
But just before that, like Jesus heals many, and he's
healed hundreds of people.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
And they've seen all that.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, he just told a dude hey, I just healed that guy
, you're good.
Good, just go home, he's good.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
And then healing more after that, and they've seen
all that.
But to see him tell the windand the waves to chill out and
they're like, I still like tostill just be perplexed.
Yeah, yeah, it's wild, that'sJesus, yeah, that's our guy
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right there, here we go, gottalove him, yo, um, oh Okay, gotta
love them Yo, um, oh, random,not with the Little lesson we
had there.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Do you have a Favorite?
Or Just a Christian song forthe podcast?
For this little podcast, itcould be your favorite song, or
(54:00):
just one that you've thought ofthis week.
And then all them fans outthere, maybe they could say
something, a little something,something.
Give us a little music everynow and then, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, no kidding, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
That one about Honey.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Honey and a Rock.
That's always a good one whenthey're singing it at church.
Make me cry, bro, cry I likethe way that the church sings it
more than I do too, I think thechurch should.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
It's a little bit more rocky.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
No pun intended.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
They should do an album, I'd buy it.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
I don't know that one comes to mind.
What was that one that theyplayed?
Was it last week or the weekbefore I'd buy it Shoot Shoot?
I don't know that one comes tomind.
What was that one that theyplayed Was?
Speaker 2 (54:53):
it last week or the week before, where you were like
, ooh, I don't know, it was abanger though.
Yeah.
Boy.
I remember that moment.
I don't remember the song,though.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, I think you were a little bit more jazzed up
about it than I was.
Yeah, it was decent.
I get pretty fired up.
Maybe I need to start comingprepared with the song.
I can't think of one off thetop of my head right now,
anything else.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I got a banger for y'all.
It is Pray for the Fish.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Pray for the Fish.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
By Randy Travis.
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
I don't know.
I feel like I've probably heardit before if it's Randy Travis
but I don't know if I couldrecall it.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
It's upbeat, it's fire.
Huh.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
All right, all right.
Well, recently I posted on ourInstagram some general feedback
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Speaker 2 (56:31):
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Speaker 1 (56:33):
Literally anything.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
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Oh dude, this is actually pretty good.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
No, it ain't bad.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
That's what you said.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Don't come at me like that.
It ain't bad.
It's probably third on the list, though.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Fourth on the list though.
Fourth on the list, whateverdude.
Anyways, yeah, it can beanything.
Yeah, but we appreciate anyonewho has um answered any
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Speaker 2 (57:02):
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Double platinum, there you go.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
All right, we'll let y'all go all right, thank you
guys, see ya you.
Carter's gonna bring us in today yeah, right what do
you?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
mean, you go ahead, you do it so good so good
welcome back everybody.
There you go.
No, I'm all right, you dowelcome back there you go
podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Um, it's just not the same.
It's just not the same.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
No, it's like we're missing somebody.
It's weird, like if we had athird guy, like a third best
friend, maybe they could do that.
Wow, wouldn't that be fun.
Maybe they could do that.
Yeah, they'd be so good at it.
I bet good at it.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I bet it's like I can hear their voice right now.
Yeah, oh well, yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
One can dream right.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah Well, welcome back.
I always forget this, but ifyou want to email us, you can
email us atlifebesidechristpodcast at
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And one other thing I kind ofalways forget to do is ask you
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Share it with a friend, leave arating, send us feedback.
We appreciate it, but we'll getinto it.
Carter, you got anything to getus going?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Shoot.
I've been praying a lot more.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, I think, just struggling with it, you know,
you kind of just get closer toGod.
Yeah.
And I saw a TikTok.
I got back on tiktok.
I was on a two or three year uh, absence, abstinence, you know
the word.
(01:55):
Yeah, um break and I'm back,but mainly christian stuff on
there, so that's good stuff,yeah.
But I saw this thing.
I wanted to get your thoughtson it.
My thoughts, yep, your thoughts, okay, and our crowd I mean, we
got a lot of fans out there.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh yeah, if you want to say something about it, go
ahead Also if you don't evenhave feedback for us and you
just want to say hi and whereyou're from, we can kind of see
states and countries people arelistening from, but it'd be cool
to interact with some of you.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So if any of you want to just reach out and say, hey,
listening from wherever, that'dbe sweet.
I love that idea.
No, you're good, okay.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So the thing was pretty much that everyone has
this thing in their life thatthey're struggling with and he
put it as a thorn in your body,okay, and the thought was God's
not going to take that out,because without that thorn you
(02:57):
don't need God in your life.
You think you got through thatstruggle and all this stuff and
I wanted to know your thoughtson that, if that was a goofy
thought or if it was, if he wason to something.
Run that by me one more time.
So you have a thorn a problem,something you're struggling with
(03:20):
an addiction, whatever you prayabout it, or an illness or
whatever, and god isn't going tojust heal that instantly,
because then you'll just I don'tgo on with everything.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I don't know if I love the wording of that well,
it's probably my wording is theproblem, the way, that it sounds
to me right now is saying thatGod's giving us these bad things
so that we do keep that we feellike we have to stay attached
to him.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Well, take that part out of it.
Just, you have problems in life.
It's not God that's settingthese problems on you.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, I mean that's human's fault, right, adam and
Eve caused that to be ourreality, with bringing sin into
the world, and the devil Forsure.
So I mean in that sense, yeah,obviously we need God, we want
to spend eternity with him.
(04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I don't know.
Ask me, you want me to show youthe tiktok?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
take a little break, we can cut this up, sure, okay,
yeah, okay, we'll plug it inright here why is that thorn in
my life?
Speaker 5 (04:37):
because god is trying to make you dependent upon him.
Man, would you hear me on this?
On this, this side of eternity,god is far more concerned with
your dependence than he is withyour deliverance.
I know there's a lot of us likeGod, deliver me and God's like
no, no, no, I'm not, I'm notgoing to leave that thing right
there to keep you dependent andto keep you desperate, and I'm
(04:59):
going to use that to wear youdown and I'm going to use that
to weaken you as a man.
And here's why this is the truth, right?
Because if he removed that onething from your life today, you
wouldn't need him like you needhim right now.
If he took that thorn out ofyour flesh and you know what it
is for you if he took that oneout, you would not seek God like
(05:19):
you seek him right now.
If the temptation to look atporn went away, oh man, there
would be no weakness, there'djust be pride.
If all the anxiety magicallydisappeared which would be great
, praise God for that youwouldn't find yourself in the
presence of God each day.
God, would you show up?
God, I need you to do a work inme, if God took away that
(05:42):
temptation to go to the bottleand to ease the pain with
alcohol, there would be nodesperation for God and you
would just be another mancoasting through life, having no
idea what life is all about,believing the lie that you have
no need of God.
And men, look at me, you needhim more than you could ever
comprehend.
Strong men understand this.
(06:04):
Strong men don't buy into thelie that I got it and I can do
it and I'm fine on my own.
No strong men understand I needmy creator and I need my father
and I need him to show up in mylife each and every day in ways
that I cannot show up formyself.
And God is leaving that thornin you to remind you of that so
(06:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think I'm still a little bit hung up on the
wording of it.
I understand the message he'ssaying.
It starts off weird, I think.
I think the way I see it anyway, so maybe I'm wrong.
God is our father.
A good father wants you to grow, and if that growing is through
(06:58):
pain, then I think he's goingto let you work through it, I
guess with him recognizing it, Iguess.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Obviously, he can see it With you being able to lean
on him through it.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I don't know.
I think maybe the wording isjust throwing me off.
It seems like he's almostsaying that he's giving it to us
, that he's giving us the painso that we can.
Yeah.
I don't know, maybe I'm gettinghung up on that, but I
understand the message.
I don't think God, I don'tthink he wants us to suffer.
(07:43):
God doesn't want us to suffer.
It's human's fault for and likeI said, and devil's fault for
sin coming into this world whichgives us that pain and
struggles.
I don't know, I don't know whatmy thoughts are on that.
I guess I'd be curious.
(08:03):
Did you show your dad that I'dbe curious to you ask did you
show your dad that I'd becurious to see what he said?
Just because I think it's justthe way, I think it's just for
me, it's just the wording of it.
Like I said, I understand and Idon't think parts of it.
I think parts of it aredefinitely right where, like, we
need to lean on him, we needGod.
(08:23):
But to me it sounds like he'ssaying God's giving us this pain
.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I understood it, as he isn't taking away temptation,
yeah, where we just are finewith everything and don't
struggle to sin.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I guess, yeah, I get it yeah.
And that's kind of how I tookit.
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's why I liked it .
I was just curious.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, I guess in that thought he's not just going to
remove it without us.
So I guess if we got that thorn, it's our fault anyways.
So I guess maybe I just need tothink that we walked through
that thorn bush, so now we'vegot thorns.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So that's our own fault, but God's not going to
come by and pluck them out forus and make it not hurt, I guess
.
So I guess I can kind of get onboard with that.
It's sin that we need toovercome with God and instead of
God just removing it for uswithout, I guess, learning from
(09:44):
it, understanding that sin, ifwe stay in that sin it does
separate us from him a bit, butyeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, it's a good thinking question.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, you guys can let us know what your thoughts
are too thinking question.
You guys can let us know whatyour thoughts are, too Um.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I don't have anything really to jump onto after that.
That's that related.
I have a bunch of random things.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I have a quick rant.
This is not I love your rants.
This is not a Christian relatedrant.
Um, and I think I talked aboutit last year around halloween
those daggum kids it's not that.
Oh, it is jacksonvillehalloween.
This is.
This might be coming off alittle strong, but especially
(10:39):
from a macedonian outsider.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Where's your roots?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
where's your yeah all right, go ahead, go ahead, go
ahead no, you go I've.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I've lived a handful of places, right like I've.
I've been different placesthroughout different years, so
I've experienced halloween as akid in different places.
I don't remember it being likeit is now and I understand the
way some communities set up theway they have it because of
(11:15):
safety and all the crazy peopleout there now.
But Jacksonville Halloween ismaybe one of the dumbest things.
It's so strong, but one of thedumbest ways to do
trick-or-treating.
I think there's two streets inall of Jacksonville that people
(11:36):
basically trick-or-treat on Twostreets.
If you don't live on those twostreets, there will be no
trick-or-treaters.
I had two last year likewhatever I don't.
I'm not saying that like, butlike I remember going
neighborhood to neighborhood asa kid yeah going trick.
Yeah, what are you saying, yeahfor?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
well.
So we had spots, we had hotspots yeah like just down the
road from here, okay, so whendid this change?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I don't know, yeah, and it's two nights now I have a
problem with that?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
and it's two nights now.
I have a problem with that.
You trick-or-treated on twonights, Yep Get out of here this
year.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Maybe I'm wrong.
They're not even doing it overHalloween because Halloween
falls on a Thursday, or maybethey talked about it.
Maybe they're not doing it thisway, I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong a couple times.
No, you're good, I'll just gowith it.
But I think there was talkswhere they are doing
trick-or-treating on the weekendfollowing Halloween, like the
weekend that's closest toHalloween.
(12:31):
So if it was a Monday orTuesday, they'd do it the
weekend before or the weekendafter.
If it's later in the week,that's not even
trick-or-treating then.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's.
November or yeah, that's I uhyeah, on the weekend they're
gonna, or whatever you're saying.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I don't know if they are this year.
I heard that they were talkingabout doing okay as I say
already listening to MariahCarey no kidding.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I mean we're on to Christmas music at that point
yeah, it's, it's, I don't know,it drives me nuts.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I understand it, maybe a little bit in
Jacksonville, if you want tosplit it up with South
Jacksonville.
If you're going to do that, isthat how they do it?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I don't know All I remember I quit going pretty
young, but what?
I do remember is jump out ofthat van.
It was freaking cold.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Let's go get some candy.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That was part of trick-or-treating as a kid, yeah
and we weren't city people.
Yeah, so we'd kind of just like, oh, that's a big old house
right there.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
They give out the full-size candy bars.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
The best trick-or-treating I remember was
up in Duluth in Minnesota,because you'd pick out your
neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Duluth is a fairly we't go like crazy far around
the city, I guess, or likeoutside of it, but the loot's
fairly large.
But you'd have yourneighborhoods and you knew where
to go yeah you knew where thedoctors lived.
And oh yeah, you go get thoselarge candy bars yeah, there was
a house just down the way.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I don't know whose house it was, but we went there
two years in a row.
I think I got like 16, 17 centsTwo years ago.
Huh.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Two years ago.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, I just.
I mean, you know, whenever Iwas a little tyke I got like 16,
17 cents one time.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
What?
Yeah, it was sick.
Did you get some change?
Oh?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
yeah, Didn't have no candy Like dude.
We're coming back here nextyear.
This is fire.
That's funny.
I can get a piece of boat gum.
Phew, it was awesome.
Start jingling your bag alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, I was fired up, I just think I don't know.
To go down one road, one streetand then down another and then
be done for the night.
Yeah, like lazy parents shoutout parents.
And the two night thing I agreewith.
I think I don't understand that.
That's like like, what's thepoint?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
yeah so like I was like trying to understand it and
maybe they do do it this way,if they do south, south
Jacksonville and Jacksonvilleand like, but I don't remember
handing out candy as a kid, Ifeel like, yeah, the younger
kids went out earlier, like dusk, you know.
Yeah, and then the older kidswere out until like nine or 10
(15:17):
or whatever maybe not 10, butlike after when it was dark.
It was clearly dark and you'd go.
So if you were handing outcandy, then sure you'd hand out
a little earlier, and then ifyou're trick-or-treating, you go
after.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But I don't know that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I just think it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, I agree, it's not the same.
We need to get back to thebasics, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Like, get with your group of friends, you guys go
neighborhood to neighborhood.
Get some candy.
Get some candy and you take itback to your house.
You compare who got the most orwhat.
Who got the best candy?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
and if someone gets in trouble then you trade
Jacksonville.
Don't ruin it for everybody.
Let's still have fun the nextyear to come.
You know we'll forget it.
It's okay, sure.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't know what you mean by that, some vandalism or
something I don't know.
Some troublemakers out there,that wasn't even talked about.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, I know.
I'm just saying there'sprobably some rules on that.
That's why they're shuttingdown late and going two nights
in South Jackson and all that.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And also Jackson and all that.
All I've heard is people sayingit's so that people can hand
out candy to trick-or-treaterstoo.
That's stupid.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Nobody wants to hand out candy anyway, and Let the
parents do that.
You don't need to go two nights.
You don't need that much candyLike come on.
You don't liketrick-or-treating, that much.
You want one day a year.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And also I know we talked about this last year if
you're gonna trick or treat, saytrick or treat, yeah, don't
open the door, or don't let meopen the door and you just stare
at me, yeah that I'll close.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I'll close the door right in your face.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I don't care like you say trick or treat, hold your
bucket out or your pillowcase orbag, whatever you got there and
then what you say trick ortreat.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
what do you say after you get your little candy?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Thanks, you say thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And parents shout out , parents out there, make them
say thank you.
Make them say trick or treatone time.
Just do it one time at my house, that's all I care about.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
If I had a house, a little cabin in the woods,
seriously figure it out.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, come on, all right, Also, we love
Jacksonville Shout out.
Jacksonville.
Sure, huge, huge Jacksonvilleguys Lived here all my life, so
that was one of my things,halloween.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That was one of my topics.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, but I wrote it down.
I gotta scribble it out righthere.
Whatever, second Okay, campingwhat?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
about it.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Beauty of weather.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Beauty of a weather, oh the weather is a beauty, I'll
tell you what Good English.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I get it.
Love what I'm hearing.
Freaking beauty Today.
High of what?
68?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
About yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Some are saying 67.
Beauty Perfect, get that firelit up, let's go make some
steaks in the woods.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
What's been driving me nuts is like the 41 in the
morning but 85 in the afternoon.
85 is crazy, so dumb.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
How am I supposed to live, laugh, love in these type
of conditions?
You know what I mean.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I can't get behind that one.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I mean, I get what you're saying, but I can't
follow that train, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Do you live?
Yeah, you're laughing right now.
Come on, spread some love,brother, come on.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Camping, can I?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
go.
Maybe we need to take this to asolo podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, some are saying , Some are saying I mean come on
.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
No, no, I'm just kidding, we going this weekend.
No, I'm hunting this weekendSaturday evening, probably all
weekend.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Shoe.
So no, I'll go Sunday night.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I got school Monday.
I am not getting up at 5 amfrom a campsite to get home and
get to school.
What if I?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
make you breakfast or something in the morning.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
We'll see, yeah but I wouldn't be able to go.
I wouldn't get to the standSunday morning.
We could both hunt.
I don't know.
We can talk about it, I guess.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Where I'm at.
I don't have permission there,but I know a guy.
You know a guy.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I know a guy, maybe know a guy.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, I know a guy.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, maybe we can talk In the works, in the works.
It'll be in the works, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I'd love to camp, though I do want to camp.
Oh, I want to go.
So bad, I love it, freakinglove it.
Whatever happened to our tripout west?
Oh, I became unemployed.
That's what happened.
That's pretty big, yeah, yeah,so money.
But I am going westward in, notthis weekend.
(20:14):
Well, by the time this comesout, it'll be that weekend.
You going to Okie, okie from.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Muskogee, you going to a game?
Yeah, oklahoma State versus whoI don't know.
I just show up, I going to agame.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, oklahoma State versus who, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I just show up.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I already bought a ticket.
I don't know who they'replaying.
It's an away game, yeah, yeah.
I've actually got to drive 10more hours somewhere.
It's all right.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You're the only one showing up at the stadium.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, I got to get some orange, though, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, gotta get some orange, though, you know, yeah,
or something you know don't,yeah, I won't.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Where are the other teams?
Colors, whatever?
They are kind of funny.
I should.
I don't know who.
Yeah, I don't know who they'replaying.
I gotta do some research, um,but yeah, that'll be, that'll be
fun.
I'm very excited.
Yeah, I haven't seen my ball inforever, um, like four months
probably really probably huhfourth of july.
(21:09):
How many months ago was that I?
Don't know, do the math we'llsave that for another time.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, a couple minutes yep all right, you get
us on track here no, I don'tknow if I have anything else
random to talk about here oh, isthe pub peddler coming up?
Oh, I forgot about that oh, Ilove it yeah, brady, probably
won't do that though no, I meanI mean that the other dude?
Yeah that probably won't dothat this year guy.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, that'd be fun, I love it.
I love biking around town withthe boys, with the boys.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Oh, I was going to ask you any update on your
go-kart.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
No, frame still broke .
I haven't touched it since.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
No, looking for a new one.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No, I just actually right before we did this, I was
looking on Facebook Marketplace.
I found one for $650.
Oh, already got engine together, already ready to rock.
And roll.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I thought you were just looking for a frame, though
yeah, but the frames arefreaking like just as much.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Why?
I don't know.
That's crazy, it's bull crap,because if I found a frame, it'd
be pretty easy.
I'd just have to do the samething.
I just did to that one, right,but now I know how to do it.
So, um oh, I just did to thatone, right, but now I know how
to do it.
So, oh, um, oh, I got a newheadlamp, okay, so that was
(22:37):
exciting.
So next time we're searchingfor some oh Deer.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, our flashlights .
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, maybe we can see Longer than like an hour.
We can actually follow theblood, yeah our flashlights died
.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Maybe we can see longer than an hour.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, instead of using our phones because our
flashlights died and ourheadlamps died, so I got a new
one.
There you go and I got a newhat, and I got new jeans.
That hat's goofy, though, dude.
No dude, it's so warm.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, you got it.
You look like a freaking dweeb.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
You can't even spell dweeb Dweeb, you freaking nerd,
spell it.
No, you can't spell it.
W what?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Bro started with a W.
What is going?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
on.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
D-W-E-E-B.
Dweeb.
All right, I was getting aheadof myself, right?
That's a pretty bad one there.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
So that leads into my point.
Right there, I'm spending toomuch money.
As an unemployed feller I'vebeen struggling with it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I'm employed and I still spend way too much money.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Oh man, I love it and I should quit it, but I can't.
No, oh man, I I love it and Ishould quit it, but I can't.
Yeah, no, I do, I think I doreally good, and then I don't
buy a couple things and then Ijust go and buy.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, it's like once a month for me.
Oh, I'm doing good, let me getsome of that.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, and I spend too much yeah two day span so I
gotta wear the hat date yourmoney's worth, yeah, there you.
There you go.
It was like $10.
Oh boy, If I wear it 10 times Adollar a day.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
A dollar a day, a hundred times.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Shoot.
You know the math on that.
Anyways.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
All right, all right To get us kind of going into the
right direction.
I came across this Well shootwas a a reel of someone they
were asking chat gpt um, aquestion along the lines of like
if you were satan, how wouldyou kind of work against god?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
in this world.
But it made that, but it mademe think of.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I heard this video a long time ago, not a long time
ago, a couple years ago maybe.
This is a radio clip from 1965.
I'm going to play it for us tolisten, okay.
And it's titled If I Were theDevil.
Yes, okay, I love this one.
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It's crazy, I love it so much.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah it's titled.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
If I Were the Devil?
Yes, okay, I love this one.
It's crazy.
I love it so much.
Yeah, it's so good so listen tothis, and then I don't know if
I have anything to say about it.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Get ready guys.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
It just reminded me of it and I'm like holy crap.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I remember getting chills the first time I heard
this Buckle in, lock in andlisten to this bad boy.
Three minutes here, let's go,here we go.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
It is a little grainy .
If I were the devil?
If I were the devil, If I werethe prince of darkness, I'd want
to engulf the whole world indarkness and I'd have a third of
its real estate and four-fifthsof its population.
But I wouldn't be happy until Ihad seized the ripest apple on
the tree, the.
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So I'd set about, howevernecessary, to take over the
United States.
I'd subvert the churches.
First, I'd begin with a campaignof whispers.
With the wisdom of a serpent, Iwould whisper to you as I
whispered to Eve Do as youplease.
To the young I would whisperthat the Bible is a myth.
I would convince them that mancreated God instead of the other
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way around.
I would confide that what's badis good and what's good is
square.
And the old I would teach topray.
After me our father which artin Washington.
And then I'd get organized.
I'd educate authors in how tomake lurid literature exciting
so that anything else wouldappear dull and uninteresting.
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I'd threaten TV with dirtiermovies and vice versa.
I'd peddle narcotics to whom Icould.
I'd sell alcohol to ladies andgentlemen of distinction.
I'd tranquilize the rest withpills.
If I were the devil, I'd soonhave families at war with
themselves, churches at war withthemselves and nations at war
with themselves, until each inits turn was consumed and with
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promises of higher ratings, I'dhave mesmerizing media fanning
the flames, fanning the flames.
If I were the devil, I wouldencourage schools to refine
young intellects, but neglect todiscipline emotions.
Just let those run wild.
Until, before you knew it,you'd have to have drug-sniffing
dogs and metal detectors atevery schoolhouse door.
Within a decade I'd haveprisons overflowing.
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I'd have judges promotingpornography.
Soon I could evict God from thecourthouse, then from the
schoolhouse, and then from thehouses of Congress and in his
own churches.
I would substitute psychologyfor religion and deify science.
I would lure priests andpastors into misusing boys and
girls and church money.
If I were the devil, I'd makethe symbol of Easter an egg and
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the symbol of Christmas a bottle.
If I were the devil, I'd takefrom those who have and give to
those who wanted, until I hadkilled the incentive of the
ambitious and what'll you bet.
I couldn't get whole states topromote gambling as the way to
get rich.
I would caution againstextremes in hard work, in
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patriotism, in moral conduct.
I would convince the young thatmarriage is old-fashioned, that
swinging is more fun that whatyou see on TV is the way to be,
and thus I could undress you inpublic, and I could lure you
into bed with diseases for whichthere is no cure.
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In other words, if I were thedevil, I'd just keep right on
doing what he's doing, PaulHarvey.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
That's from 1965.
Mm-hmm, that's from 1965.
And I know we have somelisteners that I'm not going to
say that's an old video becauseI don't want to offend anybody
but, you can hear it a littlebit, yeah, but it is pretty
crazy.
(28:58):
It's crazy to see.
I'm sure we could maybe inyears try to kind of see where,
not just our country but theworld is going to.
But it's crazy to think shoot,that's what 60 years ago about
(29:20):
now, 60 years ago, that they canpretty accurately yeah describe
what's going on how true thatvideo is now, um which I wonder
how true it was exactly 70s80s, and now it's just like even
worse, even further yeah, itwas crazy and the parts that
(29:44):
like stuck out to me with itmade me think of you know, with
the election coming up andeverything soon.
It reminded me of that.
Your dad talked about it aroundthe last election during the
Bible study, I think it waswhoever we vote for, we should
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be praying that whoever getselected and whoever else is
making decisions in our countryis doing it for the right
reasons, and all that andputting god first.
Still, I'm not the government,I guess, um, I don't know.
It just was like it is crazythe way things seem right now
(30:36):
and it's like yeah, I just needto focus on God.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Especially like recent stuff I've seen kind of
crazy, which kind of makes itmore obvious to me that we can't
trust in society and we justhave to put all our faith and
(31:05):
trust in God.
Yeah.
And to not do that is a weirdgamble, I think, but I look at
it probably differently thanmost people.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, I don't know it's.
It's just it was kind of likeand that the video I was talking
about before, where they askedAI to say if you were adult, if
you were Satan, and what wouldyou do to kind of destroy the
church.
In a sense it was the reason itmade me think of this, because,
like ai was giving like thesame answers, I'm like, well,
(31:45):
there's a video of someone from65 talking about the same things
.
And here we are, but a littlebit, just a little extra
thinking, yeah, before we getinto matthew, chapter 8, um
that's how sneaky that littlefreaking snake is.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Dude, sneaky little snake.
We gotta look out for him, he'severywhere.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Do you want to start or do you want me?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It doesn't matter.
I believe I'm further in thanyou.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I'll kind of start then.
Okay, kind of following alongwith how we've done it so far is
we're not going to read throughall of chapter 8 or each
chapter, but we're past theSermon on the Mount.
So this is after that.
But, like we've said, evengoing through the Sermon on the
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Mount, each chapter, there'sjust there's always way more in
it than you think about before.
you, like, are really trying topick stuff apart I guess You're
like, oh my gosh, like you couldspend two hours talking about
that, and that's not even whatcaught my eye initially.
Yeah, so definitely go read therest of chapter 8, whatever we
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don't talk about today and whatwe do, yeah, check us too.
But the part that stuck out tome was Matthew 8, 5 through 13.
It's the faith of the centurion, I guess I'll.
It's a little long, but I'llread it real quick, in case
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someone's driving whilelistening or something like that
and wants to know what I'mtalking about.
So it says when Jesus hadentered Capernaum, a centurion
came to him asking for help.
Lord, he said.
My servant lies at home,paralyzed, suffering terribly.
Jesus said to him shall I comeand heal him?
The centurion replied Lord, Ido not deserve to have you come
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under my roof, but just say theword and my servant will be
healed.
For I myself am a man underauthority, with soldiers under
me.
I tell this one go, and he goes, and that one to come and he
comes.
I say to my servant do this,and he does it.
When Jesus heard this, he wasamazed and said to those
following him truly, I tell you,I have not found anyone in
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Israel with such great faith.
I say to you that many willcome from the east and the west
and will take their place at thefeast with Abraham, isaac and
Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,but the subjects of the kingdom
will be thrown outside into thedarkness, where there will be
weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Then Jesus said to thecenturion Go, let it be done
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just as you had believed itwould.
And his servant was healed atthat moment.
So the first thing that stuckout to me was so this centurion
did not have a jewish background.
He was just another roman wholikely believed, growing up
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anyways believed in the Romangods.
That was the first thing,because for someone, a Roman, to
go out of their way and he hadto have obviously believed at
this point to go to Jesus andsay, lord, he's not saying, hey,
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you, who you're, you seem to bedoing these things.
Would you mind helping me out?
He's going to him and, lord,like I know, I know that you can
do this.
Yeah.
Can you please help my servant?
And that part was like I didn'treally think about it that way
before.
It's like this guy, he isputting himself in harm's way If
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other Romans see himinteracting with a Jewish person
and this Jesus that's gettingall this buzz around this area.
He's not putting himself in agood spot and so his job is a
military officer, so he's incharge of people.
Like he said and like I said,the one of the parts that just
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it just stuck out to me so muchwas that he went there with such
a great faith as Jesus said it.
No one else up until this point, or maybe even ever, showed
this amount of faith to Jesusabout what he knew he could do.
So he knew that Jesus had theauthority to just say it, which
was the next part that stuck outto me.
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I didn't really catch it.
It goes into the same thing,but it's just like adding to it.
I was reading it and it says Itell this one to go and he goes,
and that one to come and hecomes.
I say to my servant do this,and he does it.
I didn't really understand whyhe was putting that in there,
like why he was saying that atfirst, the first time I read
through that.
But he's saying I haveauthority over people.
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I know what authority feelslike and what happens when I say
something.
And he's saying Jesus, in someway he's seen, he's probably
seen Jesus, whether it'steaching, maybe he's seen him
heal.
We don't know much about thisguy outside of this, but he's
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been in the area.
He knows who Jesus is, so he'sprobably seen Jesus perform a
miracle, heal people, at leastteach, or at the very least he's
heard all this from the Jewsthat he's kind of patrolling
around during all this time.
So he's saying I know whatauthority is and I know that you
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have the authority.
Just say it.
You don't need to even come seehim, just say it.
And I know that you have theauthority, just say it.
You don't need to even come seehim, just say it.
And I know it will be done,because I know what that feels
like.
I say to do that it happens andI know that you have that
authority to heal and to do allthis stuff for anyone in this
world.
And that was like that was justmore proof to his faith.
(38:02):
It's not just him going out ona whim saying I don't want my
servant or whoever this personis, to just die in my house or
wherever and just say, well,everyone's saying he can do this
stuff.
Let me just go say, hey, go dothis for me.
He's going to him begging.
(38:22):
Basically, I like I need youand I know you can heal this guy
.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
And he believed in jesus and that he was what he
was hearing, that he was um yeah, he came in very humbly and not
in a way where he was like hey,I've heard these things, come
prove it to me.
Yeah, it was.
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I believe this.
I believe you are who you sayyou are.
You've got more importantthings to do.
So if you just say it, I knowit can happen, which is amazing.
Obviously, jesus took note andmade a short lesson out of it to
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his disciples.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, so pretty cool story, the other part too.
You kind of made me like whenyou said, you know, humbling
himself.
I guess in that is again likehe's Lord.
Lord, I need you, Like I.
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, he says, I do not deserve to have you come
under my roof.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
It's not.
Hey, lord guy like I don't wantyou to come to my house because
I don't want other romans tosee you it's yeah, I don't
deserve you to come to my house.
I want you to like, I wouldn'tstop you if you did kind of
thing, but I don't deserve tohave you under my roof, not like
uh, okay, you're a jew, I'm aroman, you can't come into my
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house, but if you can dosomething, do it for me or come
when it's dark.
Don't let anyone see you.
I don't deserve to have you inmy house and I know that you can
do this for me, but I thoughtthat was a pretty cool little
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pretty neat yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I feel like there's which we say this every time.
Reading over this the lastcouple days, there's been a lot
of ways I could have went withmine, yeah, and I don't know if
me choosing one or the other isany more important.
But, like we've said before,just get in and read a little
(40:48):
bit.
Yeah, that's once a day, orwhatever.
Just look at it.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Maybe if there's something we don't cover and you
just want to share yourthoughts with someone over a
certain, write in to us and letus know.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, I like that idea Because I mean we're
definitely skipping over somestuff right that stuff that
people would definitely be like.
Oh yeah, that's, we know thatstory kind of thing they might
connect with it more, but thisis just what we've um, well,
keith has researched, is I kindof just looked over and be like
(41:24):
I'll just take that one, I guess?
Um, but just what catches oureye, Don't be shy to dig into
your Bible, I guess is what I'msaying.
So the one that I went afterwas the Cost of Following Jesus.
It is Matthew 8, 18 through 22.
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So it's the cost of followingJesus.
When Jesus saw the crowd aroundhim, he gave orders to cross to
the other side of the lake.
Then a teacher of the law cameto him and said Teacher, I will
follow you wherever you go.
Jesus replied Foxes have holesand birds in the air have nests,
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but son of man has no place tolay his head.
Another disciple said to himLord, first let me go and bury
my father.
But Jesus told him follow meand let the dead bury their own
dead.
And let the dead bury their owndead.
So that last one is kind ofconfusing to me Follow me and
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let the dead bury their own dead.
And well, I guess I'll let youexplain your thought on it.
What we had talked about beforeon what you took that as.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, so it was it kind of.
It kind of relates to a partthat I I kind of skipped over in
the in the part that I read inthe way that I connected, I
guess.
So, real quick, I'm going tojump back to um, verse 12.
Verse 12 in chapter 8.
He says but the subjects, sorry, I'll go 13.
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Sorry, so sorry.
I'm going to jump back to verse11 and 12 of Matthew 8.
He says I say to you that manywill come from the east and the
west and will take the places atthe feast with Abraham, isaac
and Jacob in the kingdom ofheaven.
That was a weird little catchfor me.
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It says Jesus is saying thatthe subjects of the kingdom are
going to be thrown outside intothe darkness, separated from God
, where they will be weeping andgnashing of teeth.
The subjects of the kingdom aregoing to be thrown outside into
the darkness, separated fromGod, where there will be weeping
and gnashing of teeth.
And I didn't understand thatone at all, and maybe I still
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don't.
But my other Bible that I lookat has the footnotes and I was
looking at that like, okay, whatis this saying?
Well, it's saying that whenJesus is talking about the
kingdom here, when he's sayingthe subjects of the kingdom are
the Jews of this time that justexpect to because they grew up a
Jew to be in heaven.
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Like, oh, I'm from a Jewishfamily, I go to the synagogue
and I'm just going to be kind ofgiven my right it's my
birthright to be in heaven withGod, kind of thing, and that's
not who God wants to spendeternity with.
If you think you're justgetting like, well, I deserve
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this because we don't.
So with that, when Carter wastalking about that in my head I
was like, well, is he talkingabout where he says let the dead
bury their own dead, where he'srepeating himself, kind of.
I was like, well, is he talkingabout the non-believers or the
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non-devout Jews?
I guess at that time.
So the people that, what did Isay?
Non-devout Jews?
I guess at that time.
So the people that, what did Isay?
What was the phrase?
I can't remember, but that's howI took it and maybe I'm wrong.
There's a great chance that I'mwrong in that part where it
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says let the dead bury their owndead.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm sure there's somebody outthere listening that probably
has a better spin on it.
But before just kind ofthinking, I kind of thought the
same thing as you like.
Well, that's probably peoplethat aren't following Jesus, or.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Trying to follow the law at that time.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Think they're doing Following God but not actually
doing the actions, I guess, andfollowing him.
But in this and I don't knowhow much we should trust chat
GPT, I don't know.
(46:20):
I don't know about that, but Idid look it up just to get a
kind of opinion or what theinternet thought um, and it says
it emphasizes the urgency andpriority of following him over
traditional obligations thisreflects the radical commitment
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required to be a disciple,prioritizing spiritual matters
over social and familialexpectations.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Familial that makes sense, though, that Jesus is
saying hey, I'm not going to behere forever.
Follow me, learn from this timethat I have physically on this
earth, and let that part takecare of itself.
(47:17):
Yeah.
Because time's a little bit ofthe essence here.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, and I wonder like I'm sure this disciple had
family or a wife or friends thatcould have buried him.
I think we're reading into ittoo much.
Maybe, but I think for thatdisciple to go right now is more
important than worrying aboutwhat's going to happen there and
(47:46):
then push it off.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Well, it's like the other, the other time, where
someone says like well, whatshould I do?
And jesus is like follow me,don't like follow me, be a
disciple.
And he's like well, let me goback and finish my affairs.
Like I gotta get things inorder before I leave and he's
like no, I think that's not how.
This isn't the time for thatyeah just follow me.
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And he doesn't follow, hedoesn't go with Jesus.
He goes back and wants to gethis stuff in order and think of
it like a house fire Like youcan't grab your stuff and put it
around.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
You got to go, brother.
Yeah, that's the importance ofit.
Kind of weird, it's been on it,but just something popped in my
head.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Kind of weird to bet on it, but just something popped
in my head, but we talked aboutit last episode and it's like
we know that anything Jesus said, like he didn't waste a breath
yeah, he meant everything hesaid and there was meaning to
what he said.
Yeah, so maybe we're nothitting it on the spot there In
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Matthew 8, verse 22.
The dead bury their own yeah.
Someone reach out and tell us.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I don't know.
I assume we're close.
I think we're kind of gettingthe message there.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
I think the main thing is follow me, yeah, yeah,
the urgency of it, the cost offollowing Jesus.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
That's literally the title of that little paragraph
there.
Um, and the other one that Ipicked up on was jesus replied
and said foxes have holes, birdsof the air have nests and the
Son of man has no place to layhis head, meaning these animals
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have their homes that they go to.
We're going to be on the move.
There's going to be somestruggle on this journey.
It's not going to be easy.
I mean it's not.
It's gonna be tough, but followme and we're gonna change lives
and all this good stuff.
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Yeah, spread the word.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I kind of take that as Jesus saying too is like hey,
I'm for everyone yeah.
I'm for everyone, like I'm notjust gonna be in this spot, I'm
not just going to be in thisspot, I'm not going to be in
this area.
I'm on the move and I'm tryingto reach as many people as
possible, kind of thing, butyeah.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yep, that's what I got from those four sentences.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Yeah, and then, like I said, there's some pretty good
other passages in this chapter.
Yeah, jesus called him thestorm.
Oh brother, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
We all fall for that right there oh yeah.
Like trust.
Yeah, it's so tough.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
I guess, to quickly talk about it, it's one of those
things, though any one of us,any other person that was on
that boat with Jesus, would havereacted the exact same way.
Oh yeah, we all would have yeah.
And I actually saw someonetalking about this recently.
It's like most of the disciplesa handful of them at the very
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least were fishermen for theirjob, so they had been on the
boat and on the sea a lot andprobably through some bad storms
and it this one's so bad thatthey're like hey yeah jesus
we're gonna die if you do what'sgoing on here, like are we
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gonna die on this boat?
like do something, yeah, jesus.
Like you have no faith, like,yeah, you think I'm gonna die on
a boat.
Like do something, yeah, jesusis like you have no faith, like,
yeah, you think I'm gonna dieon a boat.
You think me of all people yeahno, but like it's like.
What are you, what are yougetting all worried about?
Speaker 2 (51:37):
kind of gangster play by jesus.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
There you have little just be sleeping and the boats
getting crashed on by waves andstuff Got up and rebuked the
winds and the waves and it wascompletely calm.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
It was back to that authority.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah Said hey.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Pipe down out there.
Yeah, the wind and the people,brother, true, true, yeah, it is
crazy because those people too.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
They've spent so much time with Jesus, yeah.
And then they're like who isthis man?
Yeah, the waves and the windobey him.
Yeah, I've seen all this otherstuff, but that's some crazy
stuff right there and to stillbe surprised by it is.
Like I said, anyone else likely, I guess would probably have
reacted the exact same way.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, and that's my judgmental heart is like at some
point.
I would know like yeah, I couldbe better than these people
Like, come on, he's done allthis stuff and you still ain't.
No, I'd be not.
I wouldn't be any of thesepeople, I'd be worse, probably.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
But just before that, like Jesus heals many, and he's
healed hundreds of people.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
And they've seen all that.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, he just told a dude hey, I just healed that guy
, you're good.
Good, just go home, he's good.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
And then healing more after that, and they've seen
all that.
But to see him tell the windand the waves to chill out and
they're like, I still like tostill just be perplexed.
Yeah, yeah, it's wild, that'sJesus, yeah, that's our guy
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right there, here we go, gottalove him, yo, um, oh Okay, gotta
love them Yo, um, oh, random,not with the Little lesson we
had there.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Do you have a Favorite?
Or Just a Christian song forthe podcast?
For this little podcast, itcould be your favorite song, or
(54:00):
just one that you've thought ofthis week.
And then all them fans outthere, maybe they could say
something, a little something,something.
Give us a little music everynow and then, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, no kidding, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
That one about Honey.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Honey and a Rock.
That's always a good one whenthey're singing it at church.
Make me cry, bro, cry I likethe way that the church sings it
more than I do too, I think thechurch should.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
It's a little bit more rocky.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
No pun intended.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
They should do an album, I'd buy it.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
I don't know that one comes to mind.
What was that one that theyplayed?
Was it last week or the weekbefore I'd buy it Shoot Shoot?
I don't know that one comes tomind.
What was that one that theyplayed Was?
Speaker 2 (54:53):
it last week or the week before, where you were like
, ooh, I don't know, it was abanger though.
Yeah.
Boy.
I remember that moment.
I don't remember the song,though.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, I think you were a little bit more jazzed up
about it than I was.
Yeah, it was decent.
I get pretty fired up.
Maybe I need to start comingprepared with the song.
I can't think of one off thetop of my head right now,
anything else.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I got a banger for y'all.
It is Pray for the Fish.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Pray for the Fish.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
By Randy Travis.
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
I don't know.
I feel like I've probably heardit before if it's Randy Travis
but I don't know if I couldrecall it.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
It's upbeat, it's fire.
Huh.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
All right, all right.
Well, recently I posted on ourInstagram some general feedback
questions and got some hits backon that, and one of them was
that you guys would like to havea little bit more Q&A from us.
I guess Q&A from us.
(56:06):
So if you want to send in somequestions, it can be email, it
can be Instagram Like I said,lifebesidechristpod on Instagram
.
If you want to just shoot us aquestion that maybe you just
want us to answer, it could be ashort answer or maybe we could.
If it's a longer answer, we cantake a look at it and try to
(56:29):
answer a question or two in anepisode.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
And it could be about anything.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Literally anything.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Like why this dude likes barbecue sauce on his hot
dogs or something.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Oh dude, this is actually pretty good.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
No, it ain't bad.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
That's what you said.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Don't come at me like that.
It ain't bad.
It's probably third on the list, though.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Fourth on the list though.
Fourth on the list, whateverdude.
Anyways, yeah, it can beanything.
Yeah, but we appreciate anyonewho has um answered any
questions and given us anyfeedback.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
If you've made it this far in the podcast
congratulations you are now oneof our elite employees there you
go.
Yeah, not employees, no one ofour uh yeah, platinum, platinum
supporters there you go.
Double platinum, there you go.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
All right, we'll let y'all go all right, thank you
guys, see ya you.
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