April 20, 2025 • 69 mins
The resurrection of Jesus Christ stands as the most pivotal moment in human history—a supernatural event that transformed death into life and despair into hope. In this deeply reflective episode, we explore the full spiritual significance of Easter weekend, from the crucifixion through the empty tomb to the appearances of the risen Christ.
What exactly did Jesus mean when He declared "It is finished" on the cross? We unpack this powerful statement through the lens of ancient debt cancellation, revealing how Christ's sacrifice paid humanity's spiritual debt in full. The conversation takes us through Good Friday's darkness, the disciples' Saturday confusion, and the Sunday morning discovery that changed everything.
The empty tomb presents compelling evidence for Jesus's resurrection—Roman guards, linen grave clothes, and multiple eyewitness accounts combine to validate Christianity's most extraordinary claim. We consider how the disciples, particularly Peter, responded to news of the resurrection, and what their reactions teach us about authentic faith today.
Beyond theological concepts, we wrestle with practical faith questions: Why is patience so difficult in our relationship with God? How should we handle angry prayers during times of doubt? And perhaps most profoundly—why do we truly want to go to heaven? Is it simply to avoid hell, or is there something deeper in the Christian longing for eternity?
Join us for this heart-level conversation about Easter's meaning, and discover why the resurrection remains as relevant to your daily struggles, doubts and hopes today as it was two thousand years ago. Because when Jesus conquered the grave, He changed not just history, but your story too.
We love hearing from our listeners whether it's criticism, advice, or just thoughts on the conversation we had. Find us or reach out to us here:
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
welcome back to the life beside christ podcast.
We are man a little over amonth since the last release,
but it's been since december,since carter's been with us
right, we are back almost.
We are back, almost, almost,all the way.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah, when you been Carter.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh, been learning a little bit about the law.
There you go Police Academy forthe last, so not Jewish law.
No, no, no about what peopleshould be or shouldn't be doing,
I guess.
Okay, yeah, for the past I Iguess 15 weeks now I've been
(00:49):
down at belleville policeacademy.
Got one more week to go, onemore ready for it to be over
with um, got oc spray monday.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So that's something to look forward to, I guess you
asked them to record it and sendit to us like, so we can see it
well, I don't think we can.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We have, to like, lock up our phones so nobody
records it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That's unfortunate yeah, so I keep hearing oc spray
, what's I mean?
I referred to it as pepperspray or mace, but that's a
commoner.
What's oc?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't know what oc stands for something.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Control me look that up.
Sounds like a few more weeks oftraining needs to happen.
Yeah, come on, 15 weeks and youdon't even know what OC stands
for.
Something control me.
Sounds like a few more weeks oftraining needs to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, come on 15 weeks and you don't even know
what it means.
Oc spray.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I did have it suggested to me that if they
were to bid off, auction off theability to OC oc, spray your
own children that they mightactually be able to make some
money on.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, try and read that.
Have you found it?
Capsaicin, capsaicin um cool,sure, or?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
leeson.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So that's why they say oc, it makes sense, it hurts
.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I've heard we are also joined by David Hayes,
who's not been on for a goodwhile either, but we're always
happy to have him on.
I always feel like when you'rewith us, david, that it's kind
of your podcast because you'reso much more knowledgeable.
So it's just of your podcastbecause you are so much more
(02:26):
knowledgeable.
So it's just like another timewhere I just get to sit there
and listen to you share it.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, and for me, I like just asking you guys what
you think, because I'm not theworld's authority on all things.
Jesus, god didn't put me inthat position.
I'm old, older, and so I'vestudied a little more.
But it's interesting and I cangain perspective from you guys
(02:57):
and go man, yeah, that makessome sense.
Let's think about that.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, so the?
Did you have more to say?
Nope.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Okay, just trying to wake up.
Okay, woke up about 30 minutesago.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So on the docket today is to kind of just, I
guess, talk about theresurrection and Easter, what
the meaning of Easter is, andkind of break that down a little
bit more hopefully.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Heck yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's good news, brother.
Yeah, so this weekend is Easterweekend, and that's kind of the
plan for the discussion today.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, so we're actually meeting here on
saturday saturday 19th, soyesterday was good friday, so I
had to give us some context ofwhere we're at.
Yeah, what was going?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
on.
Yeah, I guess we can startthere with good friday.
Um, I didn't really, up untileven now, like this year I was
like this year is the mostthought I put into like the
meaning of good Friday or the itsounds bad Cause it's like
(04:21):
that's the day that Jesus wascrucified, but like as I didn't,
I haven't always been achristian, so like easter
weekend, never really was a dayfor chocolate, yeah and you
heard about stuff, but it wasn'tsomething that, um, I guess I
put a lot of my thought intountil yeah, unfortunately, uh, a
(04:46):
lot of people don't, and Iwould even say a lot of folks
who consider themselveschristians.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
In the christian faith don't you?
And the reason I say that isyou can see a whole lot more
going on at christmas, yeah,than you can at easter, and
while the birth of Jesus isobviously important, we need him
to be born if we need him todie.
But what he did, this what wecall Easter weekend Maundy
(05:21):
Thursday, good Friday, easterEve or Holy Saturday and then
Easter.
If that don't happen, you know,he's just another, another guy
right and, yeah, that's whatI've heard other people say.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's like other people were crucified.
There are two people that arecrucified next to him, but the
part that makes it as big as itis is the resurrection and, and
I guess, the reason he came.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I mean, it's kind of interesting to put yourself in
his apostles' place.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, what were they doing today?
Yeah, that's what I was justlooking at.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It was like what would you do?
A lot of them were hiding whatthey were doing.
They were scared and so we hadtalked about this a little bit
pre-podcast.
But Jesus was crucifiedyesterday, yeah, and he
proclaims that it's finished anddies and he's buried.
(06:31):
And they're like now what?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, he just said it's finished what's finished.
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And they go into hiding because they think well,
jesus has just been murdered andwe could be next.
And they could into hidingbecause, they think, well, jesus
has just been murdered and wecould be next.
And they could have been, and,frankly, they all were later.
All but one was martyred.
But you think we have GoodFriday, which I don't.
Know a lot of people that spenda lot of time celebrating Good
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Friday.
And then we kind of go okayback to our lives.
It's Saturday, but in Jesus'time they're like what just
happened, what's going on, andof course we know what happens
tomorrow morning the story, butfor the most part they went into
hiding and were confused it'slike this is our Savior, this is
(07:23):
the guy that came to save us.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I think of just the uncertainty in my day-to-day
life or future, I guess and Ican't put myself in their shoes
of them leaving for the mostpart their old life to follow
(07:47):
Jesus, and then he's crucifiedand killed and they're like,
yeah, I can't imagine theheadspace You've followed for
the last so many years, you'vegiven up everything because
that's what you believe in.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
What do you do now?
I feel like that's I don't know, it'd be a tough's what you
believe in, right.
What do you do now?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I feel like that's like I don't know, it'd be a
tough headspace to be in.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, I can't imagine losing your job and be like,
okay, what do I do now?
This is their whole life andthey've given up all this stuff.
Yeah, I don't know how they'dfeel.
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
But even beyond that and, like you said, they've
dedicated their lives tofollowing Jesus, even though
they sometimes don't do it verywell, just like we don't.
Prior to that, peter is told toget behind Jesus called Satan
and he denies Jesus, so he goesthrough the same struggles we do
.
But they've witnessed, they'veseen with their own eyes the
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miracles that Jesus hasperformed, all the good, all the
people who are coming to hearJesus speak and accepting Jesus.
And then he's gone, and so I'msure they were sitting around
just like this.
If they'd have had microphonesand headphones, they might have
been podcasting it, but theywere trying to figure out what's
(09:05):
next, yeah, what do we do?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
And it's one thing, I guess, to look back 2,000 years
later and you have the wholestory in this book.
But even Jesus is like I'vetold you all of this was going
to happen and then still besurprised by it and like, yeah,
I probably would be surprisedjust as much and not.
(09:31):
It's easier, I guess, maybefrom us to say like, well, yeah,
jesus said it and you guys justkind of ignored it, whatever,
but we all would have felt thesame.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, I think just more like denying, like same
thing with human, like we don'twant people to leave us for
probably selfish reasons, yeah,um, but just that uncertainty, I
think is just like scary, ohyeah.
So I think it's just the humanside coming out and I don't't
like just Jesus being human.
(10:06):
But doing these miracles islike what the heck Right That'd
be.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Well, and they perform miracles as well.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, in Jesus' name yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So they know the power of Jesus.
But there's this confusion,this fear that now he's been
killed.
And to your point, Levi, wehave the chance.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
We don't all take advantage of the opportunity,
but we have the chance to be themost enlightened people in
history because we're furtherdown the road in history.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
We can look back, we have the advantage of hindsight,
and so we can look back and seewhat happened, and see what
Jesus said prior and go geez howdid I get that?
Yet there's things going on inour very lives today that we
question.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We go.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Lord, I prayed for this and I didn't get it.
What's going on?
Are you there?
Hello, hello, are you there?
But once we get down there alittle farther, we can turn
around and look back and go oh,this, what I got was better it's
.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know, we just don't always see god's plan so I
those were a couple questions Ihad written down to talk about
later.
It was that kind of verythought and maybe we can come
back to that.
But that's a good point, um, soI guess to kind of give a
little bit more to what's goingon.
(11:33):
So the good friday, that day,well, it was leading up to the
passover, um, so there's a lotof people in jerusalem, a lot of
crowds, and then the sanhedrin,the jewish leaders, are kind of
going after jesus.
They're passing him back andforth after they arrest them,
(11:58):
they're passing back and forthbetween pilot and herod.
They're trying to get eitherone of them to basically kill
Jesus.
Um, and it eventually comes downto Pilate making the decision.
Um, after the Jewish leaderskind of convinced him and turned
(12:19):
, turned the story into well,you can't really be loyal to
Caesar if you're gonna let thisguy who calls himself a king to
just go free.
And it was eventually like,okay, pilate was not wanting to
do this, he didn't think thatJesus had any of these crimes
that were worth the punishmentthat the Sanhedrin or the Jewish
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leaders were asking for.
And then he comes to the pointwhere he says, okay, well, this
year Passover, I let you guysrelease one of our prisoners,
I'll let you pick and they allchose Barabbas over Jesus and
they said crucify him.
And that part still just blowsmy mind, that you have a guy who
(13:08):
is healing people, feedingpeople, doing all these other
miracles, and then you have aguy that's doing the opposite
killing people, leadinginsurrections, stuff like that
and you choose the guy that'sthe murderer to release and have
the the other killed.
(13:30):
Um, and I always think back andI'm sure people bring it up a
lot, but the thought of barabbasit's easy to be like, well,
barabbas was an awful humanbeing, but it's very like
symbolic.
I guess that jesus died forbarabbas but same time he died
(13:52):
for everyone.
It wasn't just in place ofbarabbas, it was for all of us,
like, like people have said,like we are essentially barabbas
, like barabbas was theplaceholder for all of us.
In that sense that's pretty.
It's pretty.
It just kind of hurts to thinkabout a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It certainly convicts you of the life you lead, even
though maybe you're not amurderer, maybe you're not an
insurrectionist, but we're allstill sinners.
Jesus was perfect, and sothat's what makes part of what
makes this so tragic, is thatwell, so I'd go back and think
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about those who were saying freeBarabbas and crucify Jesus.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I think about today.
Do we see anything in the newswhere there are people who are
picking the wrong people to backin a criminal situation?
We see it all the time.
We see GoFundMe pages for thecriminal raise just ridiculous
(15:06):
amounts of money.
And the victim it's like that'son you, that's your problem,
we've got to save this guy orthat guy.
We choose these causes.
We get blinded to good and evil, right and wrong, for whatever
reason, and they were too formany reasons one being that
(15:27):
Jesus was a threat to theirpower and their structure.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But also because it's human nature to want things the
way you want them.
And instead of hey, let's maybestep back and look at this and
go.
What would you know?
They didn't have the littlejelly bands back then.
That said, what would Jesus do?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah.
And you know, even though theyhad witnessed his miracles and
knew that he had done nothingwrong.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It didn't matter, because he was a threat.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And we can do that in our own lives.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's like you know, I can't speak for you two but in
my life there have been timeswhere it's like boy, I know
what's right, but it sure iseasier to do what's wrong, or I
want what I want.
You know, sin is an awful thing, but sin feels good, tastes
good, smells good for a reason.
(16:29):
If it didn't, we could all gono, no.
If sin tasted like hominy, Iwouldn't have any part of it,
but it doesn't.
And so they were falling intothe same thing sin it's the root
of all of this.
But you doesn't.
And so they were falling intothe same thing sin it's the root
of all of this.
But you're right, it is aconviction of us to think not
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only did Jesus die in Brava'splace, but he died for him so
that he could live if he chose.
If he chose to accept Jesus.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
He could do so.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah.
So then we get to thecrucifixion, and I'm going to
try not to butcher this too much, but I'm going to read out of
John, john 16 through 30.
So finally, pilate handed himover to them to be crucified.
So the soldiers took charge ofJesus Carrying his own cross.
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He went out to the place of theskull, which in Aramaic is
called Golgotha.
There they crucified him andwith two others, one on each
side and Jesus in the middle.
Pilate had a notice prepared andfastened to the cross.
It read Jesus of Nazareth, theking of the Jews.
Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was
crucified was near the city andthe sign was written in Aramaic,
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latin and Greek.
The chief priests of the Jewsprotested to Pilate Do not write
the King of the Jews, but thatthis man claimed to be the King
of the Jews.
Pilate answers what I havewritten.
I have written.
When the soldiers crucifiedJesus, they took his clothes,
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dividing them into four shares,one for each of them With the
undergarment remaining.
This garment was seamless,woven into one piece from top to
bottom.
Let's not tear it, they said.
Let's decide by lot who willget it.
This happened and the scripturemight be fulfilled.
That said, they divided myclothes among them and cast lots
for my garment.
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So this is what the soldiersdid.
Near the cross of Jesus stoodhis mother, his mother's sister,
mary, the wife of Lopez andMary Magdalene.
When Jesus saw his mother thereand the disciple whom he loved
standing nearby, he said to herwoman here's your son.
And to the disciple here's yourmother.
From that time on, his discipletook her into his home.
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Later, knowing that everythinghad now been finished and so
that scripture would befulfilled, jesus said I am
thirsty.
A jar of wine, vinegar wasthere, so they soaked a sponge
in it, and the sponge on a stalkof the high-sop plant was that
right High-sop plant, and liftedit up to Jesus' lips.
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When he had received the drink,jesus said it is finished With
that.
He bowed his head and gave upto his spirit.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, so Jesus says it is finished.
Yeah, so what's he talkingabout?
What's finished, so is it?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I'm dead I'm gone, it's over.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Uh, it was fun while it lasted yeah uh, this is the
end.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's the end of the world we know it's not the end
of the world right, we're heretwo thousand some odd years
later.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, we know it wasn't the end of jesus life,
because the easter story tellsus that he was resurrected.
So what was finished?
And the reason I pose that is Iactually played a couple songs
at a Good Friday serviceyesterday and the pastor was
speaking about this very thingand he put into context in that
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time, if you owed a debt, andyou couldn't pay it, you got
sent to debtor's prison untilyour debt was paid.
And the question becomes well,how do I pay my debt if I'm in
prison?
You, don't.
Someone else does.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And they would show up if they loved you or cared
about you or wanted to free you,and they would pay your debt
and then they would mark on thereceipt, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It is finished, it's done, the debt's been paid, and
that's what Jesus was saying.
It's not over the debt's beenpaid, and that's what Jesus was
saying.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
It's not over.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Your life's not over.
We know that we'll live byaccepting Jesus Christ.
We'll live for eternity, butyour debt's been paid.
This business is finished,which is pretty powerful to me.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
You're all indebted, every one of you, not just the
ones previous to Jesus or inJesus' time, but all those that
were going to come after Jesus,including the three around the
table, and Jesus' act in thattime paid the debt.
Yeah, we never have to serve aday in quote-unquote debtor's
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prison, which is pretty nice.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Pretty crazy yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It humbles you which all of Christianity humbles you,
but it humbles you to the pointthat you're like.
I sure wish I could be better.
You're right, I wish I'd neversinned because of what was paid
on my behalf.
I wish I had the ability tojust be perfect and go.
I'm showing you how much I loveyou by never sinning again, but
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that's not the case, and Godknew that.
That's why Jesus was sent.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, sometimes you've kind of check yourself
and you feel like you're takingadvantage of what jesus did for
you all of us and letting it notletting it go to waste but not
doing what you know you shouldbe or shouldn't be doing, and
(22:22):
feel like you're you should beor shouldn't be doing and feel
like you're, you know, takingadvantage of it and not living
up to what you're supposed to.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So your word choice is interesting, so we should
take advantage of it.
That's the point, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
That's why God did it so we could take advantage of
this gift yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
But to take it for granted is what I think we all
feel like once in a while.
It's like I love Jesus Christand I will say it and I will
tell anybody about him, but I'llalso do some things to go.
What am I doing?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Why did I do that?
Why did?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I say that and then you're like, okay, let's refocus
, try again.
And that's our life experience,that's what's going to happen
until we step over to the otherside.
We're going to fight that andthe doubt that we have.
That's Satan at work.
Jesus has paid it and that's, Ithink, for new Christians and
(23:23):
even older.
Christians or more matureChristians one of the biggest
challenges is to not dismiss oursin, to take responsibility for
it, but to know that it'scovered and live in joy, because
what can happen is you can livein sorrow or conviction.
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You know where.
You're just beating yourself upall the time Like I'm terrible,
I'm the worst person.
Jesus died for me on the cross,resurrected on the third day
and I just act like a fool.
Or you can say Jesus did thatso that my sins are covered.
And now I'm going to talk topeople about Jesus and tell them
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how wonderful he is and I'mgoing to enjoy my life.
I'm not going to sit aroundbeating myself over the head
because I told a white lie, or Igossiped, or whatever the case
may be.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, I think the thought is there to want to be
perfect.
Yeah, but I know how I and I'mjust speaking for just myself if
I hit a better golf shot thany'all, I'm like, hey, here's see
, I like to keep my elbow tuckedhere.
This is how you do it.
If I was perfect and doing it,I just want to have no sin and
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just be as good as I can forJesus, I think that would go
right in my head and be like whyare these people, why these
people are lower?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
than me.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
That's a human thing.
It might just be me, I don'tknow, but I think pride would
get to you.
So, not like sin keeps youwhere you're supposed to be, but
you know that you rely on Jesusto get to heaven, you can't do
(25:20):
it, it's Jesus that's gettingyou there.
Can't do it, it's it's jesusthat's getting you there.
Um, so yeah, I, I just thinksin is there for us, really, and
jesus is there to save us.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, I would.
It's when you can step back, Iguess, after going through
something or realizing okay, Imessed up there, it's just.
It's just a very humbling thingand it it always seems to come
when you are feeling not like.
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You're like oh I'm better thanthese people, but feeling like,
maybe even like about yourself,like okay I'm doing.
I've been pretty good lately.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I've kind of turned away from this sin that I've
turned to a lot or whatever andI've been good about it, and
then you get knocked down justwhen you think you're okay, I
don't have to worry about itanymore, and then, freaking,
knock down to your knees againthat's uh.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
So, carter, you said, maybe it's just you.
If it's just you, you're prettyspecial, because the bible
talks about that.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
So if it was written just for you, that's pretty
sweet.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, very useful.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
But, basically paraphrasing it says you can't
take pride in what you didn't doand that's why we can't earn it
.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
We don't deserve it.
We can't earn it.
We don't deserve it.
We can't earn it.
If we could earn it, if it wasall works and I could go out and
do more good works thaneverybody else well then I would
become prideful, just like yousaid.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I would go see.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I outworked all of you.
I'm a better Christian than you, so God being way smarter than
us, says no you can't earn it,it's a gift you know much like a
gift we give to each other andyou're like oh, you shouldn't
have.
You know, we didn't earn it,don't deserve it.
But here you go.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, thank God, and you can't take pride in that you
can't go see.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
see, God loves me more because it's for everybody,
Right.
Not everyone will takeadvantage of it.
Some will deny it, Some willturn away from it.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
But it's there.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's been given.
Now it's up to us.
So if you're new to thispodcast or new to Christianity,
the folks listening do they knowwhat we're talking about and
the reason that never would haveoccurred to me before.
But I had never interacted withanyone that had no idea about
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Jesus, what he did, untilrecently.
And you think, boy, you got tostart way back, yeah, and start,
you know, at the beginning andlay that groundwork.
And it's like if someone'slistening to this podcast and
they don't know anything, sowhat are we talking about?
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What happened here?
We know that Jesus Christ wasborn.
He was born on purpose toultimately die for our sins.
But he grew up, he had athree-year ministry, performed
lots of miracles, taught, hadapostles that he taught, that
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later went on to be greatleaders of churches and great
evangelists.
But he was arrested and, as wetalked about, tried and
eventually crucified.
And then, well, why was hecrucified?
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Because he needed to beresurrected.
So, easter, you know he wasresurrected on that day.
But why was he resurrected?
He's resurrected for us, youknow like we're talking about
for the forgiveness of our sins.
He dies on the cross for oursins and he's resurrected to
show that death has beenovercome, yeah.
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And so that we can all partakein that.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I not to backtrack on the resurrection, but I just
because we talked about itbefore and you asked if I had
seen the Passion of the Christand just imagining the
crucifixion and like even theirportray can even try to
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understand how painful all thatis and then to do it, to do it
willingly is, is just aspowerful, I guess too.
(30:21):
And it's like I, you know, howcan we not be thankful for that?
And it kind of goes like hey,how do I let myself not remember
that all the time?
And why do I only think aboutit more around this time of year
or on Christmas, and not in themiddle of July or whenever?
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Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
We can read about stories of men who have
sacrificed themselves for others, and the Bible says there's no
greater love than the one whoshould lay down his life for his
friends.
It happens with guys who won theCongressional Medal of Honor
and different things and evenmore than that, but that's a
common one that we see.
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So we know that love for otherscan be a powerful thing.
But the amazing thing aboutJesus is, first off, he is
perfect.
He had never sinned and he wasdoing it not just for the 12
people around him, but for allwho had come before and all who
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would ever come.
He'd never met them.
I've never met Jesus.
I hope to see his face someday.
I plan on seeing his facesomeday.
But he lays down his life fornot only for us, who will accept
it and appreciate it, but forthe ones who won't.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, it's the ones who put them on the cross, the
ones that, yeah, you know all ofit crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah it's.
It would be much easier and Iain ain't saying it would be
easy.
I'm saying it would be mucheasier to lay down your life for
your family, who love you andyou love, than it is to lay down
your life for completestrangers who may just go well,
that was stupid.
Why did he do that?
But that's what he did.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, yeah, I liked what you said earlier with the.
We needed him to be born and weneeded him to die.
I've never really thought aboutit like that.
I mean he came, showed us faith, hope and love and just leaving
us with that I mean with thegreatest of those being love but
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needed him to die for us.
That makes a lot of sense in myhead.
I've just never heard that, Iguess, put into words.
Um, a good little message there.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, I heard, uh, uh , I think it was on Instagram or
something where a young girlsaid have they ever found the
remains of Jesus?
Because they found the remainsof some biblical characters or
biblical figures, and it's kindof a funny thing.
It's like no, no, that's thepoint.
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Yeah, If they did this wholething's in vain.
Yeah, if Jesus' body is layingsomewhere in a grave, then we're
all doomed.
Yeah, if they did this wholething's in vain.
Yeah, if Jesus' body is layingsomewhere in a grave, then we're
all doomed.
Yeah, so you're not going tofind Jesus' remains here on
earth.
Because Jesus was resurrected,he came back to life.
He spent three days in hell,and that's another thing that
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people don't often think aboutis what was Jesus doing for
those three days?
Yeah, he was in hell.
It wasn't like just hanging outon vacation waiting for the
resurrection.
Yeah, he was going through hell.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I looked through that .
I guess 1 Peter 3.
It was one that came acrosswhile I was looking up.
It says 1 Peter 3 uh, I guessI'll start at 18 for christ also
suffered once for sins, therighteous for the unrighteous.
Bring you to god.
He was put to death in the bodybut made alive in the spirit.
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After being made alive, he wentand made proclamation to the
imprisoned spirits, to those whowere disobedient long ago and
when God waited patiently in thedays of Noah while the ark was
being built.
And I think I mean, unless I'mmisinterpreting that, is that
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one of the points where they'rewriting about what Jesus was
doing during those days?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, there's a lot in 1 Peter about Jesus and
living a godly life, livingsin-free, mm-hmm.
Well, so if you go, 1 Peter 2,beginning, let's see, let's
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begin in the 21st verse.
It says To this you were calledbecause Christ suffered for you,
leaving you an example that youshould follow in his steps.
He committed no sin and nodeceit was found in his mouth.
When they hurled their insultsat him, he did not retaliate.
When he suffered, he made nothreats.
Instead, he entrusted himselfto him who judges justly.
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He himself bore our sins in hisbody on the cross so that we
might die to sin and live forrighteousness.
By his wounds you have beenhealed, for you were like sheep
going astray, but now you havereturned to the shepherd and
overseer of your souls.
You know laying out this idea,reinforcing what we've been
(35:58):
talking about Completely sinless.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So when you watch a movie, it could be an action
movie or whatever, it doesn'tmatter but the hero.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
What makes the movie so intense and almost every
movie does this is the herostarts out and he's winning, and
he's winning, and he's winning,and then all of a sudden he's
losing and we all go, oh no, ohno, the bad guy's going to win,
win.
And then eventually the herobreaks out of there and and but.
(36:29):
But what makes that so tragicto us?
That the hero getting caught ishe's the good guy.
We don't like to see bad thingshappen to good people, and
that's the same way in real life.
We don't like to see bad thingshappen to good people.
Well, who's gooder?
Quote unquote than Jesus.
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There is no gooder, there is nogood, frankly.
But Jesus is perfect.
Jesus, not only is he good,he's great, and he's perfect and
blameless.
And so to see this happen tohim, our hero in this case, it's
like that's the ultimate denialof God is taking someone that's
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blameless.
It would be akin to when we seethe death of a child, for
instance.
It's like they did nothingwrong.
They were just born and whateverbe it an accident or a disease
or whatever it crushes usbecause they did nothing wrong.
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The same thing with Jesus.
As we get older you're 90 yearsold it's easier to take that.
It's like well, they lived agood life and we don't count
them as blameless.
They lived their life.
We're sinners.
It makes it easier if they'reChristians, if they accepted
Jesus, but that idea of someonewho is completely blameless, did
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nothing wrong, InnocentInnocence that's right.
It's hard on us if we're goodpeople, If we have a moral
compass.
We don't like to see that.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, yeah, I guess we get to.
Jesus was buried.
I saw, I'm pretty sure, let memake sure I have the right spot
here.
But, um, I saw someone talkingabout this and I was like, is
that true?
(38:37):
And it was kind of funny.
So I went to the book of John.
I guess I've been in the bookof John.
I'm going to read this wherethe tomb is empty.
So I'm starting, john, chapter20.
Early on the first day of theweek, while it was still dark,
mary Magdalene went to the tomband saw that the stone had been
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removed from the entrance.
So she came running to SimonPeter and the other disciple the
one who Jesus loved and saidthey have taken the Lord out of
the tomb and we don't know wherethey have put him.
So Peter and the other disciplestarted for the tomb.
Both were running, but theother disciple outran Peter and
reached the tomb first.
He bent over, looked at thestrips of linen laying there but
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did not go in.
Then Simon Peter came alongbehind him and went straight to
the tomb.
He saw the strips of linenlaying there, as well as the
cloth that had been wrappedaround jesus's head.
The cloth was still laying inits place separate from the
linen.
Finally, the other disciple whohad reached the tomb first, also
inside.
He saw and believed.
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They still did not understandfrom scripture that jesus had to
rise from the dead.
Then the disciples went back towhere they were staying and
that's all like part of thisimportant part that jesus had
risen.
But the person that I waslistening to pointed out that
john's gospel and writing of itis funny because he keeps I was
(40:07):
trying to like not to laughreading it he keeps saying the
other disciple and I was lookingup and I was trying to figure
out and I guess so we for themost part understand that when
john is writing and says theother disciple, he's talking
about himself.
So he keeps saying the otherdisciple who was faster or who
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got there first and all thislike stuff that he loved, that
Jesus loved and all that stuff.
But it's like it's a funny thingto throw in there but to say I
was faster than Peter, I gotthere first, that's funny.
It was.
I thought that was funny tojust keep throwing in there
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multiple times, but obviously animportant part of the whole
story of Jesus and his body notbeing there being the
resurrection.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
And when you go back and look at what?
So Jesus is buried in this tomband Roman guards are put in
place yeah, to guard it, becausethe decide, or the, the
sanhedrin and the, they, they,they have this idea that we need
to guard that because otherwisehis disciples will come, steal
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his body and then they'll swearthat he's alive.
It'll be an Elvis thing.
And by doing so, they give usthis great proof that he is
alive.
Because by putting those guardsin place, so the guards get
questioned.
What happened to his body?
It was great, nobody came andstole it, yeah, well, and so
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people say why do you?
How can you believe in theresurrection?
Why do you believe in that?
Well, that's one of the reasonsit was guarded.
The tomb was guarded, we know.
No one came in and stole hisbody.
He was raised from the dead.
When you put a body in a tomband roll a large stone in front
of it, seal it and guard it withsoldiers, and then you show up
on the third day and it's notthere, something happened.
(42:14):
Well, what happened, god?
God, happened Just like he saidhe raised him from the dead.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, and then we also know sorry you're good um,
that he appears to plenty ofpeople over.
I always get it mixed up.
Is it over the next 40 days or40 times?
I couldn't 40 days.
Okay, I always get that onemixed up.
Um, he appeared over to plentyof people and his disciples and
(42:46):
others um yeah, I love the part.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
So he appears to mary magdalene yeah, ask her why
she's crying and there's lots oftheories.
He appears to his discipleswalking on the road together and
they don't know him.
Yeah, and there's lots oftheories on that.
Well, the last time they sawhim, he was hanging on a cross,
bloodied and battered, and nowhe's a risen Savior, so he
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looked completely different.
That's one theory.
However, we know that the scarsand the holes in his hands and
in his side were still there,because when he appears to the
disciples and Thomas isn't therethe first time and they tell
him about it, he's like I'llhave to put my hands into the
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wounds before.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
I believe it.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
And so he appears again and Thomas is there and
Jesus invites him to do so.
So we know that the wounds werestill there.
So it's interesting.
It's one of those questionsthat again doesn't pertain to my
salvation.
I'm not going to miss out onsalvation because I don't know
the answer, but it's one ofthose that I feel like I'll be
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interested in is what was goingon?
Why did they not?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
know, him.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Because he appears.
You know they're behind alocked door and he just appears
in the room with him.
So we know that Jesus wasphysically present, but he was
also walking through walls.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Now we also know that Jesus was fully human and fully
God so he could have done thatprior to the resurrection as
well, if you can walk on water.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
you can probably walk through walls, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, that would be a good scary movie.
Uh-oh Gotcha, yeah, I guessjust the one.
Sorry, I was kind of off uhtopic.
But the one part that stuck outto me to this whole thing was
the angel, or sorry, matthew, 28, uh, it's b5 through 7, uh.
(44:58):
The angel said to the woman,like being mary, do not be
afraid, for I know that you arelooking for Jesus who is
crucified.
He is no longer here.
He has risen.
Just as he said, come and seethe place where he lay, then go
quickly and tell his discipleshe has risen from the dead and
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is going ahead of you intoGalilee.
There you will see him now.
I have told you like, can youimagine?
Like the holy crap.
And then, like I ran prettyquick, a mile and a half, like
pretty quick.
I think I could beat that timeso fast I'd be flying.
(45:39):
I'm like, oh my gosh he's back,let's go get him Okay, go see
what's up, holy crap, go get him.
Okay, go see what's up, holycrap.
I'd be so just flying off thewall, I'd be pumped, just to see
him again.
I mean, I can't imagine.
And an angel just like yeah,that would be what's going on?
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah, that's good to hear you say that that you would
run joyously looking for JesusBecause some people would go.
It's just fake, Do I?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
believe this.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, you know.
It's like I don't know aboutall this stuff.
Yeah, you have the correctreaction.
It's like look, I have thischance to see Jesus again and,
even though I witnessed hisbrutal death on the cross, I'm
gonna believe and I'm gonna runas fast as I can to to be
reunited with jesus.
And I think that's what we'reall doing in a way here today
(46:39):
and in our lives is running asfast as we can to be reunited
with Jesus.
Now it's a slow run.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
For some of us it's 100 years, for some of us it's a
couple months.
Unfortunately the baby's passedand things like that.
But that's the goal.
I mean, do you ever considerwhy this is so important to you?
Most people say, well, becauseI want to go to heaven.
Why, why?
What's the reason?
Why do you want to go to heaven?
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Some people would say well,because I want to avoid hell.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Hell's terrible.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
The alternative.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
But beyond that, why do you really want to go to
heaven?
Another answer would be well, Iwant to be reunited with loved
ones who have passed,grandparents and parents and,
whatever that case is, husbandsand wives and that kind of stuff
, but ultimately it's whatCarter just said I want to run
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to Jesus, I want to thank him, Iwant to worship him, I want to
adore him, I want him to knowhow much I love him because he
loved me, getting to spend timein the presence of God.
We almost can't even get ourmind around what that would be
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like, but it's different foreverybody.
Why do you want to go to heaven?
Is it just to avoid theconsequence of hell?
That's a good reason, but it'snot maybe the best reason.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, hmm, yeah, I don't think I've ever heard that
question before.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
It's one of those things that we just know we want
to go to heaven.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
We don't give a lot of thought of why, other than to
avoid hell.
But certainly you know yourloved ones.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
You know this chance to see them again, to be
reunited, but then ultimately tobe reunited with.
God to be in the presence ofGod.
We think of paradise.
That's appealing.
There's lots of thingsappealing about heaven,
obviously.
Everything about heaven isappealing.
But why do we fight?
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And when I say fight, I meanfight against our sinful nature,
fight our human condition, whatwe want, what would satisfy us
in the moment.
Why do we fight against that,our whole lives?
To get to heaven?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
I think I've talked about it before.
But especially since I've knownyou guys and started going to
church with you guys andobviously gotten to know you
guys more and become, I guess,deeper into my faith, the idea
(49:39):
around the word love has changedin my head a lot.
It was before it was like say itto people you care about, right
, they love you, like you, just,whatever.
But it's a completely differentthing than just saying it to
something and that's what likeas you were saying, that like as
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much as I love seeing my family, as much as I love seeing my
family, we have a father who hasseen our life before we even
were born and has helped usalong every step of it and has
never left us as much as we feltlike we've left him at times or
(50:25):
gone through things.
And it's like you feel all thatlove and to think about it and
it's just like you just want tobe surrounded by all of it
forever and and to be like in it, not trying to let yourself
(50:46):
convince yourself that maybethat you don't deserve it or
that someone else should getmore of it from God or something
like that, and it's just likethere's enough of God, enough of
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his love for all of us and tojust be like.
That's what I would love, tojust be in.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
You think about God the Father.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
He knows me better than my father, my earthly
father.
Right, there are things that myearthly father doesn't know
about me and never will knowabout me, but there's nothing
that God the Father doesn't knowabout me and he still loves me,
and it's a great idea that youpresent of this being surrounded
by love, being constantly lovedand knowing it, not having to
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question is there some otherreason that this person here on
earth is treating me the waythey are?
It's nothing but pure love.
I'm going to get off a littlebit, but it's the same thought.
(52:02):
So I was driving home a coupleof weeks ago.
I got to thinking about Bradyand Carter and Emma and
different things, and I got tothinking about how important I
used to be to them.
And this isn't a dig this is theway life works and the way we
raise our children.
For it to work, I got tothinking.
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I used to be.
I and their mother used to beeverything to them.
They completely relied on us forfood, for hygiene, for know
when to go to sleep, when to getup, everything, and so I was
immensely important to them.
As they grow up, I become lessand less important to them.
(52:46):
Now that sounds harsh.
It doesn't mean that they loveme less and less.
It means they rely on me lessand less, and that's a good
thing.
And it's the same with you andyour parents.
It's a good thing.
That's what I raised them to doas a parent.
It's kind of a sucky thing,because you want to be important
, you want to be.
It's like I need to be involved.
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They need me, don't?
They know they need me and theydon't call as much.
They got their own life goingon.
Carter's down at Belleville,brady's got two kids and a job
and Emma's finishing college andthinking about getting a job
and all these things.
So that's a natural progression.
We're not going to talk as muchas we once did and so again it
(53:31):
sounds harsh, but I'll becomeless and less important to them
as time goes on.
Not less and less loved, butless important.
They'll have more important ormore pressing things in their
life.
Maybe important is not theright word.
And so I came home I told them.
I said just know, you're alwaysgoing to be important to me.
Because it doesn't work thatway from parent to child.
The child always remainsimportant to the parent, because
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that's our life.
It's like you're our childrenand then grandchildren and
whatever.
And so I think about guys likesometimes we can, like you said,
turn away or make him lessimportant to us for a moment or
a day or a week or when we'regoing through something, or, but
we're never not important toGod.
(54:19):
Yeah, it doesn't mean we don'tlove God, doesn't mean that
don't love God, it doesn't meanthat the love's not there, but
it does mean that we can put Himon the back burner because we
got something else we need totake care of.
And that's unfortunate.
Now, in the human side, in myanalogy of me and my children,
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it makes sense.
They're going to have theirfamilies and they're going to
have that.
And the Bible tells us, youknow, that Carter will meet
someone someday and the two willbecome one flesh and she will
be more important than hisparents and he'll move away.
That's the way it's supposed tohappen in nature and in
biblical sense.
So I'm not mad about it, but itwas just kind of a yeah, that
(55:04):
makes sense.
I have put God on the backburner.
That don't mean that I've neverthat.
There's a point where God saidwell, david's not important
right now Right, and you guyswill see that when you have
children.
It's an interesting dynamic.
But one thing that was kind ofa sidebar, but one thing Carter
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talking about if he was told hey, go here and you'll see Jesus.
And he would break his mile anda half time easily.
The reason I say that you havethe right perspective is if you
go to John, chapter 21,beginning in the fourth verse,
it says early in the morning andthis is, jesus has been
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resurrected and he's starting toappear to his disciples.
It says early in the morningJesus stood on the shore, but
the disciples did not realizethat it was Jesus.
Now the disciples are outfishing and he called out to
them friends, haven't you anyfish?
No, they answered.
Now the disciples are outfishing.
It is the Lord.
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As soon as Simon Peter heardhim say it is the Lord, he
wrapped his outer garment aroundhim, for he had taken it off,
and jumped into the water.
The other disciples followed inthe boat.
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That's kind of a funny Peter'slike I'm going.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah, it's his boat.
Speaker 3 (56:39):
Yeah, jesus is there.
See you guys, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
He did.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
He pulled a Carter, I'm going to break my 50-meter
breaststroke time getting toJesus.
And the others were like dude,there's a boat, we'll just get
there dry.
But the point is this joy to seeJesus, the same joy that Carter
expressed, the same joy thatChristians have or should have,
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that Christians should cultivatethis want, this need, this
desire to be in the presence ofJesus and someday in the actual
presence.
You know, the physical presenceof Jesus in heaven, but even in
the presence of Jesus here onearth, if we can stay in Jesus'
presence, presence of Jesus hereon earth, if we can stay in
Jesus' presence, if we canremind ourselves that he's
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always present, it helps us toavoid those sin times.
It helps us to avoid, you know,now, it can also be
embarrassing to go.
I just did that and Jesus iswatching.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, but that's a good thing.
That's how we keep checkingourselves and it's a journey.
It's like weightlifting youdon't start out benching 315.
You start out with the bar andyou get better at it as time
goes on.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Some of us stay at the bar.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
You know we're trying yeah but I'm not talking about
where you get drinks.
I'm talking about where you getdrinks, yeah, yeah, but I'm not
talking about where you getdrinks.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
I'm talking well, we're getting a little long here
, but there's one thing that Iwanted to.
I don't know if I'm gonna beable to phrase it as a question,
but I guess it kind of is.
But it kind of goes back towhat you were saying before,
that last little bit about notnot turning from god, but like
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it's just god not leaving us.
And I've said some pretty angryprayers lately and then I'm
like dude, quit, but then I'llsit there.
I'm like, well, at least I'mtalking to god and it's just
like I don't know.
(58:52):
I I think I'm just having atough time trusting god, not Not
internally, but with actions.
It's like I trust God with myheart, but maybe to someone else
(59:14):
it doesn't appear that way.
I guess it's like if I'm tryingto be patient about whatever it
is in my life, but I'm doingthe opposite of being patient.
Am I actually trusting God?
Am I trying to do my own thing,or is God going to?
(59:35):
Let me just kind of keeplooking like a fool until I
decide all right, I'm back.
But then I go back and forth,decide, all right, I'm back.
But then, like I go back andforth, it's like, okay, where's
doesn't, isn't there some actionthat should follow trusting god
?
And like that's where I.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Just it's like I'm pretty scrambled about that
right now yeah, I mean, that'salways, I think, always a
question um, we love god, wetrust him, or we wouldn't pray
to him?
Yeah, you know, we know we needhim, but we have what we want
and we can often go.
(01:00:10):
But what I want God is in aline.
It's aligned with your word,it's I want what you want for me
.
Why ain't I getting it?
Well, god's timing is not ourtiming and it's an answer that
most people don't want to hear.
I didn't want to hear it when Iwas in my 20s, and there's
still times I don't want to hearit.
(01:00:33):
I tell the story.
This will show how big a dork Iwas am still, but I never dated
a girl until I was 19 years old.
But I prayed every night sinceI was probably in junior high,
for a girlfriend.
Didn't happen now, mainlybecause I was complete dork and
(01:00:55):
not gonna happen.
But I, in my world, I was like,like what you're talking about,
I'm a good kid, I'm trying todo what's right.
Why aren't you giving me thisgirlfriend?
Well, god's not that genie inthe bottle.
It's not rub the bottle and I'llgrant you a wish.
We have a relationship with God, and then we have a
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relationship with others, withhumans around us, and those
relationships we try to makesure they fit.
And then we have a relationshipwith others, with humans around
us, and those relationships wetry to make sure they fit.
So in my scenario it's like okay, I wanted a girlfriend and I'm
like I don't care, god, ifyou'll provide one, then I know
she'll be right.
But then when I found one, thefirst one wasn't right.
(01:01:42):
Second one wasn't right, thirdone wasn't right.
Second one wasn't right, thirdone wasn't right.
But the fourth, fifth, whatevershe is, I don't know anymore,
but she was right and it wasGod's time.
So I'm 24 years old before Imeet my now wife, and I've done
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it in other situations where wehave, we want what we want when
we want it.
That's a and so learning to becontent with what we have.
But then, like you said, butnot just sitting back and going
all right, god, I'm gonna sithere on my couch and again talk
about if I want a girlfriend.
He's probably not going tomanifest her on the couch next
to me.
I've got to go out and meetpeople and then trust what my
(01:02:34):
eyes and ears tell me.
If I'm asking God for agirlfriend and then I meet this
girl who's a Satanist, probablynot the one God sent me, yeah,
and so we still have these humanrelationships.
But I would have been betterserved to say hey, god, just you
(01:02:58):
and I have our relationship.
Guide me, help me to not falland to stumble.
Help me to be a good person.
Help me, you know.
Help me to not fall into youknow to stumble.
Help me to be a good person.
Help me, you know.
Help restore my faith.
Help you know me to keeptrusting, and then I'll go meet
people and if I'm thinking aboutgodly things, I will eventually
(01:03:18):
be attracted to the rightperson and the right person will
be attracted to me.
But I didn't go about it.
I was that genie in a bottle.
Give me a girlfriend.
Give me a girlfriend.
I'm in junior high.
It's like give me.
Everybody else's got agirlfriend.
Why don't I have a girlfriend?
Uh, and patience when you're 12is not, it's not not the
easiest 25.
It's not easy, yeah yeah, well,and at 55, sometimes patient.
(01:03:42):
But but that goes back to thetraining.
Yeah, I'm much better at it at55 than I was at 25.
I'm much better atunderstanding that everything I
desire isn't needed, it's justwanted.
I mean, we had this discussionat Bible study a couple weeks
(01:04:04):
ago.
What's the one thing we need,jesus?
People would say, well, youneed food, you need water.
Well, you only need them if youhave a desired outcome.
If you want to live for morethan three days or 30 days or
whatever the case is, you needthose.
But really your only need isJesus, because if you died 10
(01:04:32):
minutes from now and you haveJesus, you have all you need.
If you die 10 minutes from nowand you don't have a bottle of
water, you didn't need it.
It doesn't work that way.
And so, understanding that wehave what we want and we read
the Word and we go well, thistells me that I should go forth.
I'm going back to my girlfriendthing.
I should be finding a girl, Ishould be finding a mate and I'm
(01:04:56):
supposed to go forth andprosper.
I think did Spock say that howam I going to do that without a
girlfriend or without a wife?
Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Well, it was in Jesus' time, or it was in.
Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
God's time sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
But that's the hardest time it's like holy cow,
how do I do this?
And I'm so glad that I grew upin the 70s, so if I'd have been
in it now and I'm going to pickon Carter a little bit, I'm not
picking on him, I'm justpointing something out.
Carter's been struggling to geta girlfriend.
(01:05:32):
Anybody listening to thispodcast struggling to get and
keep a girlfriend.
But in today's world this is myopinion with social media,
everybody's looking forperfection.
When I grew up in the's worldthis is my opinion with social
media, everybody's looking forperfection.
When I grew up in the 70s, youknew girls within the
neighboring counties.
(01:05:52):
That was about it, and that'sonly if you went to the small
high schools around.
That was it.
And so you didn't getperfection.
You found somebody that youcould get along with and it went
on.
And nowadays I see and listento people talk.
I've got a coworker that youknow same kind of thing and
they're ghosting each other andit's like, oh wait, she's only
(01:06:14):
5'6" and I wanted 5'7" and hesaid that he makes six figures
but it's only 101,000.
Everybody wants this perfectionon earth and I think it's
harder to date somebody than itwas before.
So I'm glad I was just prayingto God, I wasn't praying to
(01:06:35):
TikTok or whatever the datingapp is.
But yeah, patience is a toughthing and so, if we tie that to
the Easter story, think aboutthe patience again.
What was happening today, 2025years ago.
The patience to go what, yeah,what just happened, and not be
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frustrated, not be mad, and theangry prayers I tell people all
the time I don't think youshould scream at God, yell at
God on a regular basis.
First off, you can't threatenGod.
What are you going to threatenhim with?
But God understands when you'reangry, upset, irritated,
(01:07:23):
whatever the emotion is, and Godhas big shoulders, he can take
it.
So don't beat yourself up.
When you're like why, why?
Why?
It's like?
He gets the emotion that you'regoing through and he
understands the question andwhere it's coming from more than
people do.
People will hear that and gowhat the heck's wrong with him
(01:07:45):
today.
Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
They don't know everything that's going on in a
person's life, in your life oryour life or my life or whatever
the case is, but God does so, Ithink it's okay, once in a
while, to I wouldn't cuss at Godnecessarily but to question the
why's?
Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
pretty natural thing, that's why why?
Can't I have what I see, thator I perceive somebody else has
pretty common yeah yeah, well, Iappreciate having you on and
sharing that knowledge umknowledge.
From one dork to another.
Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yeah, Well, thank you guys for listening.
If you want to email us, it'slifebesidechristpod at gmailcom
or find us on Instagram atlifebesidechristpodcast.
I think our next episode ishopefully with Davidid again and
(01:08:45):
also hopefully with, uh, adamfox.
So that's something to lookforward to and, if carter's
around, obviously hopefully hecan make it.
But yeah, thank you guys forlistening.
See you next time.
Thanks everybody, happy Easter.
welcome back to the life beside christ podcast.
We are man a little over amonth since the last release,
but it's been since december,since carter's been with us
right, we are back almost.
We are back, almost, almost,all the way.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah, when you been Carter.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh, been learning a little bit about the law.
There you go Police Academy forthe last, so not Jewish law.
No, no, no about what peopleshould be or shouldn't be doing,
I guess.
Okay, yeah, for the past I Iguess 15 weeks now I've been
(00:49):
down at belleville policeacademy.
Got one more week to go, onemore ready for it to be over
with um, got oc spray monday.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So that's something to look forward to, I guess you
asked them to record it and sendit to us like, so we can see it
well, I don't think we can.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We have, to like, lock up our phones so nobody
records it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That's unfortunate yeah, so I keep hearing oc spray
, what's I mean?
I referred to it as pepperspray or mace, but that's a
commoner.
What's oc?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't know what oc stands for something.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Control me look that up.
Sounds like a few more weeks oftraining needs to happen.
Yeah, come on, 15 weeks and youdon't even know what OC stands
for.
Something control me.
Sounds like a few more weeks oftraining needs to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, come on 15 weeks and you don't even know
what it means.
Oc spray.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I did have it suggested to me that if they
were to bid off, auction off theability to OC oc, spray your
own children that they mightactually be able to make some
money on.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, try and read that.
Have you found it?
Capsaicin, capsaicin um cool,sure, or?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
leeson.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So that's why they say oc, it makes sense, it hurts
.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I've heard we are also joined by David Hayes,
who's not been on for a goodwhile either, but we're always
happy to have him on.
I always feel like when you'rewith us, david, that it's kind
of your podcast because you'reso much more knowledgeable.
So it's just of your podcastbecause you are so much more
(02:26):
knowledgeable.
So it's just like another timewhere I just get to sit there
and listen to you share it.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, and for me, I like just asking you guys what
you think, because I'm not theworld's authority on all things.
Jesus, god didn't put me inthat position.
I'm old, older, and so I'vestudied a little more.
But it's interesting and I cangain perspective from you guys
(02:57):
and go man, yeah, that makessome sense.
Let's think about that.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, so the?
Did you have more to say?
Nope.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Okay, just trying to wake up.
Okay, woke up about 30 minutesago.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So on the docket today is to kind of just, I
guess, talk about theresurrection and Easter, what
the meaning of Easter is, andkind of break that down a little
bit more hopefully.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Heck yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's good news, brother.
Yeah, so this weekend is Easterweekend, and that's kind of the
plan for the discussion today.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, so we're actually meeting here on
saturday saturday 19th, soyesterday was good friday, so I
had to give us some context ofwhere we're at.
Yeah, what was going?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
on.
Yeah, I guess we can startthere with good friday.
Um, I didn't really, up untileven now, like this year I was
like this year is the mostthought I put into like the
meaning of good Friday or the itsounds bad Cause it's like
(04:21):
that's the day that Jesus wascrucified, but like as I didn't,
I haven't always been achristian, so like easter
weekend, never really was a dayfor chocolate, yeah and you
heard about stuff, but it wasn'tsomething that, um, I guess I
put a lot of my thought intountil yeah, unfortunately, uh, a
(04:46):
lot of people don't, and Iwould even say a lot of folks
who consider themselveschristians.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
In the christian faith don't you?
And the reason I say that isyou can see a whole lot more
going on at christmas, yeah,than you can at easter, and
while the birth of Jesus isobviously important, we need him
to be born if we need him todie.
But what he did, this what wecall Easter weekend Maundy
(05:21):
Thursday, good Friday, easterEve or Holy Saturday and then
Easter.
If that don't happen, you know,he's just another, another guy
right and, yeah, that's whatI've heard other people say.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's like other people were crucified.
There are two people that arecrucified next to him, but the
part that makes it as big as itis is the resurrection and, and
I guess, the reason he came.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I mean, it's kind of interesting to put yourself in
his apostles' place.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, what were they doing today?
Yeah, that's what I was justlooking at.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It was like what would you do?
A lot of them were hiding whatthey were doing.
They were scared and so we hadtalked about this a little bit
pre-podcast.
But Jesus was crucifiedyesterday, yeah, and he
proclaims that it's finished anddies and he's buried.
(06:31):
And they're like now what?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, he just said it's finished what's finished.
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And they go into hiding because they think well,
jesus has just been murdered andwe could be next.
And they could into hidingbecause, they think, well, jesus
has just been murdered and wecould be next.
And they could have been, and,frankly, they all were later.
All but one was martyred.
But you think we have GoodFriday, which I don't.
Know a lot of people that spenda lot of time celebrating Good
(07:01):
Friday.
And then we kind of go okayback to our lives.
It's Saturday, but in Jesus'time they're like what just
happened, what's going on, andof course we know what happens
tomorrow morning the story, butfor the most part they went into
hiding and were confused it'slike this is our Savior, this is
(07:23):
the guy that came to save us.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I think of just the uncertainty in my day-to-day
life or future, I guess and Ican't put myself in their shoes
of them leaving for the mostpart their old life to follow
(07:47):
Jesus, and then he's crucifiedand killed and they're like,
yeah, I can't imagine theheadspace You've followed for
the last so many years, you'vegiven up everything because
that's what you believe in.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
What do you do now?
I feel like that's I don't know, it'd be a tough's what you
believe in, right.
What do you do now?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I feel like that's like I don't know, it'd be a
tough headspace to be in.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, I can't imagine losing your job and be like,
okay, what do I do now?
This is their whole life andthey've given up all this stuff.
Yeah, I don't know how they'dfeel.
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
But even beyond that and, like you said, they've
dedicated their lives tofollowing Jesus, even though
they sometimes don't do it verywell, just like we don't.
Prior to that, peter is told toget behind Jesus called Satan
and he denies Jesus, so he goesthrough the same struggles we do
.
But they've witnessed, they'veseen with their own eyes the
(08:44):
miracles that Jesus hasperformed, all the good, all the
people who are coming to hearJesus speak and accepting Jesus.
And then he's gone, and so I'msure they were sitting around
just like this.
If they'd have had microphonesand headphones, they might have
been podcasting it, but theywere trying to figure out what's
(09:05):
next, yeah, what do we do?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
And it's one thing, I guess, to look back 2,000 years
later and you have the wholestory in this book.
But even Jesus is like I'vetold you all of this was going
to happen and then still besurprised by it and like, yeah,
I probably would be surprisedjust as much and not.
(09:31):
It's easier, I guess, maybefrom us to say like, well, yeah,
jesus said it and you guys justkind of ignored it, whatever,
but we all would have felt thesame.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, I think just more like denying, like same
thing with human, like we don'twant people to leave us for
probably selfish reasons, yeah,um, but just that uncertainty, I
think is just like scary, ohyeah.
So I think it's just the humanside coming out and I don't't
like just Jesus being human.
(10:06):
But doing these miracles islike what the heck Right That'd
be.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Well, and they perform miracles as well.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, in Jesus' name yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So they know the power of Jesus.
But there's this confusion,this fear that now he's been
killed.
And to your point, Levi, wehave the chance.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
We don't all take advantage of the opportunity,
but we have the chance to be themost enlightened people in
history because we're furtherdown the road in history.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
We can look back, we have the advantage of hindsight,
and so we can look back and seewhat happened, and see what
Jesus said prior and go geez howdid I get that?
Yet there's things going on inour very lives today that we
question.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We go.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Lord, I prayed for this and I didn't get it.
What's going on?
Are you there?
Hello, hello, are you there?
But once we get down there alittle farther, we can turn
around and look back and go oh,this, what I got was better it's
.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You know, we just don't always see god's plan so I
those were a couple questions Ihad written down to talk about
later.
It was that kind of verythought and maybe we can come
back to that.
But that's a good point, um, soI guess to kind of give a
little bit more to what's goingon.
(11:33):
So the good friday, that day,well, it was leading up to the
passover, um, so there's a lotof people in jerusalem, a lot of
crowds, and then the sanhedrin,the jewish leaders, are kind of
going after jesus.
They're passing him back andforth after they arrest them,
(11:58):
they're passing back and forthbetween pilot and herod.
They're trying to get eitherone of them to basically kill
Jesus.
Um, and it eventually comes downto Pilate making the decision.
Um, after the Jewish leaderskind of convinced him and turned
(12:19):
, turned the story into well,you can't really be loyal to
Caesar if you're gonna let thisguy who calls himself a king to
just go free.
And it was eventually like,okay, pilate was not wanting to
do this, he didn't think thatJesus had any of these crimes
that were worth the punishmentthat the Sanhedrin or the Jewish
(12:41):
leaders were asking for.
And then he comes to the pointwhere he says, okay, well, this
year Passover, I let you guysrelease one of our prisoners,
I'll let you pick and they allchose Barabbas over Jesus and
they said crucify him.
And that part still just blowsmy mind, that you have a guy who
(13:08):
is healing people, feedingpeople, doing all these other
miracles, and then you have aguy that's doing the opposite
killing people, leadinginsurrections, stuff like that
and you choose the guy that'sthe murderer to release and have
the the other killed.
(13:30):
Um, and I always think back andI'm sure people bring it up a
lot, but the thought of barabbasit's easy to be like, well,
barabbas was an awful humanbeing, but it's very like
symbolic.
I guess that jesus died forbarabbas but same time he died
(13:52):
for everyone.
It wasn't just in place ofbarabbas, it was for all of us,
like, like people have said,like we are essentially barabbas
, like barabbas was theplaceholder for all of us.
In that sense that's pretty.
It's pretty.
It just kind of hurts to thinkabout a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It certainly convicts you of the life you lead, even
though maybe you're not amurderer, maybe you're not an
insurrectionist, but we're allstill sinners.
Jesus was perfect, and sothat's what makes part of what
makes this so tragic, is thatwell, so I'd go back and think
(14:41):
about those who were saying freeBarabbas and crucify Jesus.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
And.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I think about today.
Do we see anything in the newswhere there are people who are
picking the wrong people to backin a criminal situation?
We see it all the time.
We see GoFundMe pages for thecriminal raise just ridiculous
(15:06):
amounts of money.
And the victim it's like that'son you, that's your problem,
we've got to save this guy orthat guy.
We choose these causes.
We get blinded to good and evil, right and wrong, for whatever
reason, and they were too formany reasons one being that
(15:27):
Jesus was a threat to theirpower and their structure.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But also because it's human nature to want things the
way you want them.
And instead of hey, let's maybestep back and look at this and
go.
What would you know?
They didn't have the littlejelly bands back then.
That said, what would Jesus do?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah.
And you know, even though theyhad witnessed his miracles and
knew that he had done nothingwrong.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It didn't matter, because he was a threat.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And we can do that in our own lives.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's like you know, I can't speak for you two but in
my life there have been timeswhere it's like boy, I know
what's right, but it sure iseasier to do what's wrong, or I
want what I want.
You know, sin is an awful thing, but sin feels good, tastes
good, smells good for a reason.
(16:29):
If it didn't, we could all gono, no.
If sin tasted like hominy, Iwouldn't have any part of it,
but it doesn't.
And so they were falling intothe same thing sin it's the root
of all of this.
But you doesn't.
And so they were falling intothe same thing sin it's the root
of all of this.
But you're right, it is aconviction of us to think not
(16:53):
only did Jesus die in Brava'splace, but he died for him so
that he could live if he chose.
If he chose to accept Jesus.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
He could do so.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah.
So then we get to thecrucifixion, and I'm going to
try not to butcher this too much, but I'm going to read out of
John, john 16 through 30.
So finally, pilate handed himover to them to be crucified.
So the soldiers took charge ofJesus Carrying his own cross.
(17:27):
He went out to the place of theskull, which in Aramaic is
called Golgotha.
There they crucified him andwith two others, one on each
side and Jesus in the middle.
Pilate had a notice prepared andfastened to the cross.
It read Jesus of Nazareth, theking of the Jews.
Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was
crucified was near the city andthe sign was written in Aramaic,
(17:51):
latin and Greek.
The chief priests of the Jewsprotested to Pilate Do not write
the King of the Jews, but thatthis man claimed to be the King
of the Jews.
Pilate answers what I havewritten.
I have written.
When the soldiers crucifiedJesus, they took his clothes,
(18:12):
dividing them into four shares,one for each of them With the
undergarment remaining.
This garment was seamless,woven into one piece from top to
bottom.
Let's not tear it, they said.
Let's decide by lot who willget it.
This happened and the scripturemight be fulfilled.
That said, they divided myclothes among them and cast lots
for my garment.
(18:32):
So this is what the soldiersdid.
Near the cross of Jesus stoodhis mother, his mother's sister,
mary, the wife of Lopez andMary Magdalene.
When Jesus saw his mother thereand the disciple whom he loved
standing nearby, he said to herwoman here's your son.
And to the disciple here's yourmother.
From that time on, his discipletook her into his home.
(18:54):
Later, knowing that everythinghad now been finished and so
that scripture would befulfilled, jesus said I am
thirsty.
A jar of wine, vinegar wasthere, so they soaked a sponge
in it, and the sponge on a stalkof the high-sop plant was that
right High-sop plant, and liftedit up to Jesus' lips.
(19:16):
When he had received the drink,jesus said it is finished With
that.
He bowed his head and gave upto his spirit.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, so Jesus says it is finished.
Yeah, so what's he talkingabout?
What's finished, so is it?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I'm dead I'm gone, it's over.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Uh, it was fun while it lasted yeah uh, this is the
end.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's the end of the world we know it's not the end
of the world right, we're heretwo thousand some odd years
later.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, we know it wasn't the end of jesus life,
because the easter story tellsus that he was resurrected.
So what was finished?
And the reason I pose that is Iactually played a couple songs
at a Good Friday serviceyesterday and the pastor was
speaking about this very thingand he put into context in that
(20:12):
time, if you owed a debt, andyou couldn't pay it, you got
sent to debtor's prison untilyour debt was paid.
And the question becomes well,how do I pay my debt if I'm in
prison?
You, don't.
Someone else does.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
And they would show up if they loved you or cared
about you or wanted to free you,and they would pay your debt
and then they would mark on thereceipt, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It is finished, it's done, the debt's been paid, and
that's what Jesus was saying.
It's not over the debt's beenpaid, and that's what Jesus was
saying.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
It's not over.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Your life's not over.
We know that we'll live byaccepting Jesus Christ.
We'll live for eternity, butyour debt's been paid.
This business is finished,which is pretty powerful to me.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
You're all indebted, every one of you, not just the
ones previous to Jesus or inJesus' time, but all those that
were going to come after Jesus,including the three around the
table, and Jesus' act in thattime paid the debt.
Yeah, we never have to serve aday in quote-unquote debtor's
(21:22):
prison, which is pretty nice.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Pretty crazy yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
It humbles you which all of Christianity humbles you,
but it humbles you to the pointthat you're like.
I sure wish I could be better.
You're right, I wish I'd neversinned because of what was paid
on my behalf.
I wish I had the ability tojust be perfect and go.
I'm showing you how much I loveyou by never sinning again, but
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that's not the case, and Godknew that.
That's why Jesus was sent.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, sometimes you've kind of check yourself
and you feel like you're takingadvantage of what jesus did for
you all of us and letting it notletting it go to waste but not
doing what you know you shouldbe or shouldn't be doing, and
(22:22):
feel like you're you should beor shouldn't be doing and feel
like you're, you know, takingadvantage of it and not living
up to what you're supposed to.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So your word choice is interesting, so we should
take advantage of it.
That's the point, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
That's why God did it so we could take advantage of
this gift yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
But to take it for granted is what I think we all
feel like once in a while.
It's like I love Jesus Christand I will say it and I will
tell anybody about him, but I'llalso do some things to go.
What am I doing?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Why did I do that?
Why did?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I say that and then you're like, okay, let's refocus
, try again.
And that's our life experience,that's what's going to happen
until we step over to the otherside.
We're going to fight that andthe doubt that we have.
That's Satan at work.
Jesus has paid it and that's, Ithink, for new Christians and
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even older.
Christians or more matureChristians one of the biggest
challenges is to not dismiss oursin, to take responsibility for
it, but to know that it'scovered and live in joy, because
what can happen is you can livein sorrow or conviction.
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You know where.
You're just beating yourself upall the time Like I'm terrible,
I'm the worst person.
Jesus died for me on the cross,resurrected on the third day
and I just act like a fool.
Or you can say Jesus did thatso that my sins are covered.
And now I'm going to talk topeople about Jesus and tell them
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how wonderful he is and I'mgoing to enjoy my life.
I'm not going to sit aroundbeating myself over the head
because I told a white lie, or Igossiped, or whatever the case
may be.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, I think the thought is there to want to be
perfect.
Yeah, but I know how I and I'mjust speaking for just myself if
I hit a better golf shot thany'all, I'm like, hey, here's see
, I like to keep my elbow tuckedhere.
This is how you do it.
If I was perfect and doing it,I just want to have no sin and
(24:47):
just be as good as I can forJesus, I think that would go
right in my head and be like whyare these people, why these
people are lower?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
than me.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
That's a human thing.
It might just be me, I don'tknow, but I think pride would
get to you.
So, not like sin keeps youwhere you're supposed to be, but
you know that you rely on Jesusto get to heaven, you can't do
(25:20):
it, it's Jesus that's gettingyou there.
Can't do it, it's it's jesusthat's getting you there.
Um, so yeah, I, I just thinksin is there for us, really, and
jesus is there to save us.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, I would.
It's when you can step back, Iguess, after going through
something or realizing okay, Imessed up there, it's just.
It's just a very humbling thingand it it always seems to come
when you are feeling not like.
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You're like oh I'm better thanthese people, but feeling like,
maybe even like about yourself,like okay I'm doing.
I've been pretty good lately.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I've kind of turned away from this sin that I've
turned to a lot or whatever andI've been good about it, and
then you get knocked down justwhen you think you're okay, I
don't have to worry about itanymore, and then, freaking,
knock down to your knees againthat's uh.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
So, carter, you said, maybe it's just you.
If it's just you, you're prettyspecial, because the bible
talks about that.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
So if it was written just for you, that's pretty
sweet.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, very useful.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
But, basically paraphrasing it says you can't
take pride in what you didn't doand that's why we can't earn it
.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
We don't deserve it.
We can't earn it.
We don't deserve it.
We can't earn it.
If we could earn it, if it wasall works and I could go out and
do more good works thaneverybody else well then I would
become prideful, just like yousaid.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I would go see.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I outworked all of you.
I'm a better Christian than you, so God being way smarter than
us, says no you can't earn it,it's a gift you know much like a
gift we give to each other andyou're like oh, you shouldn't
have.
You know, we didn't earn it,don't deserve it.
But here you go.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, thank God, and you can't take pride in that you
can't go see.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
see, God loves me more because it's for everybody,
Right.
Not everyone will takeadvantage of it.
Some will deny it, Some willturn away from it.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
But it's there.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's been given.
Now it's up to us.
So if you're new to thispodcast or new to Christianity,
the folks listening do they knowwhat we're talking about and
the reason that never would haveoccurred to me before.
But I had never interacted withanyone that had no idea about
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Jesus, what he did, untilrecently.
And you think, boy, you got tostart way back, yeah, and start,
you know, at the beginning andlay that groundwork.
And it's like if someone'slistening to this podcast and
they don't know anything, sowhat are we talking about?
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What happened here?
We know that Jesus Christ wasborn.
He was born on purpose toultimately die for our sins.
But he grew up, he had athree-year ministry, performed
lots of miracles, taught, hadapostles that he taught, that
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later went on to be greatleaders of churches and great
evangelists.
But he was arrested and, as wetalked about, tried and
eventually crucified.
And then, well, why was hecrucified?
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Because he needed to beresurrected.
So, easter, you know he wasresurrected on that day.
But why was he resurrected?
He's resurrected for us, youknow like we're talking about
for the forgiveness of our sins.
He dies on the cross for oursins and he's resurrected to
show that death has beenovercome, yeah.
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And so that we can all partakein that.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I not to backtrack on the resurrection, but I just
because we talked about itbefore and you asked if I had
seen the Passion of the Christand just imagining the
crucifixion and like even theirportray can even try to
(29:53):
understand how painful all thatis and then to do it, to do it
willingly is, is just aspowerful, I guess too.
(30:21):
And it's like I, you know, howcan we not be thankful for that?
And it kind of goes like hey,how do I let myself not remember
that all the time?
And why do I only think aboutit more around this time of year
or on Christmas, and not in themiddle of July or whenever?
(30:41):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
We can read about stories of men who have
sacrificed themselves for others, and the Bible says there's no
greater love than the one whoshould lay down his life for his
friends.
It happens with guys who won theCongressional Medal of Honor
and different things and evenmore than that, but that's a
common one that we see.
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So we know that love for otherscan be a powerful thing.
But the amazing thing aboutJesus is, first off, he is
perfect.
He had never sinned and he wasdoing it not just for the 12
people around him, but for allwho had come before and all who
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would ever come.
He'd never met them.
I've never met Jesus.
I hope to see his face someday.
I plan on seeing his facesomeday.
But he lays down his life fornot only for us, who will accept
it and appreciate it, but forthe ones who won't.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, it's the ones who put them on the cross, the
ones that, yeah, you know all ofit crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah it's.
It would be much easier and Iain ain't saying it would be
easy.
I'm saying it would be mucheasier to lay down your life for
your family, who love you andyou love, than it is to lay down
your life for completestrangers who may just go well,
that was stupid.
Why did he do that?
But that's what he did.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, yeah, I liked what you said earlier with the.
We needed him to be born and weneeded him to die.
I've never really thought aboutit like that.
I mean he came, showed us faith, hope and love and just leaving
us with that I mean with thegreatest of those being love but
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needed him to die for us.
That makes a lot of sense in myhead.
I've just never heard that, Iguess, put into words.
Um, a good little message there.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, I heard, uh, uh , I think it was on Instagram or
something where a young girlsaid have they ever found the
remains of Jesus?
Because they found the remainsof some biblical characters or
biblical figures, and it's kindof a funny thing.
It's like no, no, that's thepoint.
(33:20):
Yeah, If they did this wholething's in vain.
Yeah, if Jesus' body is layingsomewhere in a grave, then we're
all doomed.
Yeah, if they did this wholething's in vain.
Yeah, if Jesus' body is layingsomewhere in a grave, then we're
all doomed.
Yeah, so you're not going tofind Jesus' remains here on
earth.
Because Jesus was resurrected,he came back to life.
He spent three days in hell,and that's another thing that
(33:40):
people don't often think aboutis what was Jesus doing for
those three days?
Yeah, he was in hell.
It wasn't like just hanging outon vacation waiting for the
resurrection.
Yeah, he was going through hell.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I looked through that .
I guess 1 Peter 3.
It was one that came acrosswhile I was looking up.
It says 1 Peter 3 uh, I guessI'll start at 18 for christ also
suffered once for sins, therighteous for the unrighteous.
Bring you to god.
He was put to death in the bodybut made alive in the spirit.
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After being made alive, he wentand made proclamation to the
imprisoned spirits, to those whowere disobedient long ago and
when God waited patiently in thedays of Noah while the ark was
being built.
And I think I mean, unless I'mmisinterpreting that, is that
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one of the points where they'rewriting about what Jesus was
doing during those days?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, there's a lot in 1 Peter about Jesus and
living a godly life, livingsin-free, mm-hmm.
Well, so if you go, 1 Peter 2,beginning, let's see, let's
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begin in the 21st verse.
It says To this you were calledbecause Christ suffered for you,
leaving you an example that youshould follow in his steps.
He committed no sin and nodeceit was found in his mouth.
When they hurled their insultsat him, he did not retaliate.
When he suffered, he made nothreats.
Instead, he entrusted himselfto him who judges justly.
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He himself bore our sins in hisbody on the cross so that we
might die to sin and live forrighteousness.
By his wounds you have beenhealed, for you were like sheep
going astray, but now you havereturned to the shepherd and
overseer of your souls.
You know laying out this idea,reinforcing what we've been
(35:58):
talking about Completely sinless.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So when you watch a movie, it could be an action
movie or whatever, it doesn'tmatter but the hero.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
What makes the movie so intense and almost every
movie does this is the herostarts out and he's winning, and
he's winning, and he's winning,and then all of a sudden he's
losing and we all go, oh no, ohno, the bad guy's going to win,
win.
And then eventually the herobreaks out of there and and but.
(36:29):
But what makes that so tragicto us?
That the hero getting caught ishe's the good guy.
We don't like to see bad thingshappen to good people, and
that's the same way in real life.
We don't like to see bad thingshappen to good people.
Well, who's gooder?
Quote unquote than Jesus.
(36:49):
There is no gooder, there is nogood, frankly.
But Jesus is perfect.
Jesus, not only is he good,he's great, and he's perfect and
blameless.
And so to see this happen tohim, our hero in this case, it's
like that's the ultimate denialof God is taking someone that's
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blameless.
It would be akin to when we seethe death of a child, for
instance.
It's like they did nothingwrong.
They were just born and whateverbe it an accident or a disease
or whatever it crushes usbecause they did nothing wrong.
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The same thing with Jesus.
As we get older you're 90 yearsold it's easier to take that.
It's like well, they lived agood life and we don't count
them as blameless.
They lived their life.
We're sinners.
It makes it easier if they'reChristians, if they accepted
Jesus, but that idea of someonewho is completely blameless, did
(38:02):
nothing wrong, InnocentInnocence that's right.
It's hard on us if we're goodpeople, If we have a moral
compass.
We don't like to see that.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, yeah, I guess we get to.
Jesus was buried.
I saw, I'm pretty sure, let memake sure I have the right spot
here.
But, um, I saw someone talkingabout this and I was like, is
that true?
(38:37):
And it was kind of funny.
So I went to the book of John.
I guess I've been in the bookof John.
I'm going to read this wherethe tomb is empty.
So I'm starting, john, chapter20.
Early on the first day of theweek, while it was still dark,
mary Magdalene went to the tomband saw that the stone had been
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removed from the entrance.
So she came running to SimonPeter and the other disciple the
one who Jesus loved and saidthey have taken the Lord out of
the tomb and we don't know wherethey have put him.
So Peter and the other disciplestarted for the tomb.
Both were running, but theother disciple outran Peter and
reached the tomb first.
He bent over, looked at thestrips of linen laying there but
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did not go in.
Then Simon Peter came alongbehind him and went straight to
the tomb.
He saw the strips of linenlaying there, as well as the
cloth that had been wrappedaround jesus's head.
The cloth was still laying inits place separate from the
linen.
Finally, the other disciple whohad reached the tomb first, also
inside.
He saw and believed.
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They still did not understandfrom scripture that jesus had to
rise from the dead.
Then the disciples went back towhere they were staying and
that's all like part of thisimportant part that jesus had
risen.
But the person that I waslistening to pointed out that
john's gospel and writing of itis funny because he keeps I was
(40:07):
trying to like not to laughreading it he keeps saying the
other disciple and I was lookingup and I was trying to figure
out and I guess so we for themost part understand that when
john is writing and says theother disciple, he's talking
about himself.
So he keeps saying the otherdisciple who was faster or who
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got there first and all thislike stuff that he loved, that
Jesus loved and all that stuff.
But it's like it's a funny thingto throw in there but to say I
was faster than Peter, I gotthere first, that's funny.
It was.
I thought that was funny tojust keep throwing in there
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multiple times, but obviously animportant part of the whole
story of Jesus and his body notbeing there being the
resurrection.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
And when you go back and look at what?
So Jesus is buried in this tomband Roman guards are put in
place yeah, to guard it, becausethe decide, or the, the
sanhedrin and the, they, they,they have this idea that we need
to guard that because otherwisehis disciples will come, steal
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his body and then they'll swearthat he's alive.
It'll be an Elvis thing.
And by doing so, they give usthis great proof that he is
alive.
Because by putting those guardsin place, so the guards get
questioned.
What happened to his body?
It was great, nobody came andstole it, yeah, well, and so
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people say why do you?
How can you believe in theresurrection?
Why do you believe in that?
Well, that's one of the reasonsit was guarded.
The tomb was guarded, we know.
No one came in and stole hisbody.
He was raised from the dead.
When you put a body in a tomband roll a large stone in front
of it, seal it and guard it withsoldiers, and then you show up
on the third day and it's notthere, something happened.
(42:14):
Well, what happened, god?
God, happened Just like he saidhe raised him from the dead.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, and then we also know sorry you're good um,
that he appears to plenty ofpeople over.
I always get it mixed up.
Is it over the next 40 days or40 times?
I couldn't 40 days.
Okay, I always get that onemixed up.
Um, he appeared over to plentyof people and his disciples and
(42:46):
others um yeah, I love the part.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
So he appears to mary magdalene yeah, ask her why
she's crying and there's lots oftheories.
He appears to his discipleswalking on the road together and
they don't know him.
Yeah, and there's lots oftheories on that.
Well, the last time they sawhim, he was hanging on a cross,
bloodied and battered, and nowhe's a risen Savior, so he
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looked completely different.
That's one theory.
However, we know that the scarsand the holes in his hands and
in his side were still there,because when he appears to the
disciples and Thomas isn't therethe first time and they tell
him about it, he's like I'llhave to put my hands into the
(43:39):
wounds before.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
I believe it.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
And so he appears again and Thomas is there and
Jesus invites him to do so.
So we know that the wounds werestill there.
So it's interesting.
It's one of those questionsthat again doesn't pertain to my
salvation.
I'm not going to miss out onsalvation because I don't know
the answer, but it's one ofthose that I feel like I'll be
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interested in is what was goingon?
Why did they not?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
know, him.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Because he appears.
You know they're behind alocked door and he just appears
in the room with him.
So we know that Jesus wasphysically present, but he was
also walking through walls.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Now we also know that Jesus was fully human and fully
God so he could have done thatprior to the resurrection as
well, if you can walk on water.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
you can probably walk through walls, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, that would be a good scary movie.
Uh-oh Gotcha, yeah, I guessjust the one.
Sorry, I was kind of off uhtopic.
But the one part that stuck outto me to this whole thing was
the angel, or sorry, matthew, 28, uh, it's b5 through 7, uh.
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The angel said to the woman,like being mary, do not be
afraid, for I know that you arelooking for Jesus who is
crucified.
He is no longer here.
He has risen.
Just as he said, come and seethe place where he lay, then go
quickly and tell his discipleshe has risen from the dead and
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is going ahead of you intoGalilee.
There you will see him now.
I have told you like, can youimagine?
Like the holy crap.
And then, like I ran prettyquick, a mile and a half, like
pretty quick.
I think I could beat that timeso fast I'd be flying.
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I'm like, oh my gosh he's back,let's go get him Okay, go see
what's up, holy crap, go get him.
Okay, go see what's up, holycrap.
I'd be so just flying off thewall, I'd be pumped, just to see
him again.
I mean, I can't imagine.
And an angel just like yeah,that would be what's going on?
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah, that's good to hear you say that that you would
run joyously looking for JesusBecause some people would go.
It's just fake, Do I?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
believe this.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, you know.
It's like I don't know aboutall this stuff.
Yeah, you have the correctreaction.
It's like look, I have thischance to see Jesus again and,
even though I witnessed hisbrutal death on the cross, I'm
gonna believe and I'm gonna runas fast as I can to to be
reunited with jesus.
And I think that's what we'reall doing in a way here today
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and in our lives is running asfast as we can to be reunited
with Jesus.
Now it's a slow run.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah right.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
For some of us it's 100 years, for some of us it's a
couple months.
Unfortunately the baby's passedand things like that.
But that's the goal.
I mean, do you ever considerwhy this is so important to you?
Most people say, well, becauseI want to go to heaven.
Why, why?
What's the reason?
Why do you want to go to heaven?
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Some people would say well,because I want to avoid hell.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Hell's terrible.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
The alternative.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
But beyond that, why do you really want to go to
heaven?
Another answer would be well, Iwant to be reunited with loved
ones who have passed,grandparents and parents and,
whatever that case is, husbandsand wives and that kind of stuff
, but ultimately it's whatCarter just said I want to run
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to Jesus, I want to thank him, Iwant to worship him, I want to
adore him, I want him to knowhow much I love him because he
loved me, getting to spend timein the presence of God.
We almost can't even get ourmind around what that would be
(47:59):
like, but it's different foreverybody.
Why do you want to go to heaven?
Is it just to avoid theconsequence of hell?
That's a good reason, but it'snot maybe the best reason.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, hmm, yeah, I don't think I've ever heard that
question before.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
It's one of those things that we just know we want
to go to heaven.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
We don't give a lot of thought of why, other than to
avoid hell.
But certainly you know yourloved ones.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
You know this chance to see them again, to be
reunited, but then ultimately tobe reunited with.
God to be in the presence ofGod.
We think of paradise.
That's appealing.
There's lots of thingsappealing about heaven,
obviously.
Everything about heaven isappealing.
But why do we fight?
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And when I say fight, I meanfight against our sinful nature,
fight our human condition, whatwe want, what would satisfy us
in the moment.
Why do we fight against that,our whole lives?
To get to heaven?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
I think I've talked about it before.
But especially since I've knownyou guys and started going to
church with you guys andobviously gotten to know you
guys more and become, I guess,deeper into my faith, the idea
(49:39):
around the word love has changedin my head a lot.
It was before it was like say itto people you care about, right
, they love you, like you, just,whatever.
But it's a completely differentthing than just saying it to
something and that's what likeas you were saying, that like as
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much as I love seeing my family, as much as I love seeing my
family, we have a father who hasseen our life before we even
were born and has helped usalong every step of it and has
never left us as much as we feltlike we've left him at times or
(50:25):
gone through things.
And it's like you feel all thatlove and to think about it and
it's just like you just want tobe surrounded by all of it
forever and and to be like in it, not trying to let yourself
(50:46):
convince yourself that maybethat you don't deserve it or
that someone else should getmore of it from God or something
like that, and it's just likethere's enough of God, enough of
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his love for all of us and tojust be like.
That's what I would love, tojust be in.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
You think about God the Father.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
He knows me better than my father, my earthly
father.
Right, there are things that myearthly father doesn't know
about me and never will knowabout me, but there's nothing
that God the Father doesn't knowabout me and he still loves me,
and it's a great idea that youpresent of this being surrounded
by love, being constantly lovedand knowing it, not having to
(51:40):
question is there some otherreason that this person here on
earth is treating me the waythey are?
It's nothing but pure love.
I'm going to get off a littlebit, but it's the same thought.
(52:02):
So I was driving home a coupleof weeks ago.
I got to thinking about Bradyand Carter and Emma and
different things, and I got tothinking about how important I
used to be to them.
And this isn't a dig this is theway life works and the way we
raise our children.
For it to work, I got tothinking.
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I used to be.
I and their mother used to beeverything to them.
They completely relied on us forfood, for hygiene, for know
when to go to sleep, when to getup, everything, and so I was
immensely important to them.
As they grow up, I become lessand less important to them.
(52:46):
Now that sounds harsh.
It doesn't mean that they loveme less and less.
It means they rely on me lessand less, and that's a good
thing.
And it's the same with you andyour parents.
It's a good thing.
That's what I raised them to doas a parent.
It's kind of a sucky thing,because you want to be important
, you want to be.
It's like I need to be involved.
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They need me, don't?
They know they need me and theydon't call as much.
They got their own life goingon.
Carter's down at Belleville,brady's got two kids and a job
and Emma's finishing college andthinking about getting a job
and all these things.
So that's a natural progression.
We're not going to talk as muchas we once did and so again it
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sounds harsh, but I'll becomeless and less important to them
as time goes on.
Not less and less loved, butless important.
They'll have more important ormore pressing things in their
life.
Maybe important is not theright word.
And so I came home I told them.
I said just know, you're alwaysgoing to be important to me.
Because it doesn't work thatway from parent to child.
The child always remainsimportant to the parent, because
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that's our life.
It's like you're our childrenand then grandchildren and
whatever.
And so I think about guys likesometimes we can, like you said,
turn away or make him lessimportant to us for a moment or
a day or a week or when we'regoing through something, or, but
we're never not important toGod.
(54:19):
Yeah, it doesn't mean we don'tlove God, doesn't mean that
don't love God, it doesn't meanthat the love's not there, but
it does mean that we can put Himon the back burner because we
got something else we need totake care of.
And that's unfortunate.
Now, in the human side, in myanalogy of me and my children,
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it makes sense.
They're going to have theirfamilies and they're going to
have that.
And the Bible tells us, youknow, that Carter will meet
someone someday and the two willbecome one flesh and she will
be more important than hisparents and he'll move away.
That's the way it's supposed tohappen in nature and in
biblical sense.
So I'm not mad about it, but itwas just kind of a yeah, that
(55:04):
makes sense.
I have put God on the backburner.
That don't mean that I've neverthat.
There's a point where God saidwell, david's not important
right now Right, and you guyswill see that when you have
children.
It's an interesting dynamic.
But one thing that was kind ofa sidebar, but one thing Carter
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talking about if he was told hey, go here and you'll see Jesus.
And he would break his mile anda half time easily.
The reason I say that you havethe right perspective is if you
go to John, chapter 21,beginning in the fourth verse,
it says early in the morning andthis is, jesus has been
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resurrected and he's starting toappear to his disciples.
It says early in the morningJesus stood on the shore, but
the disciples did not realizethat it was Jesus.
Now the disciples are outfishing and he called out to
them friends, haven't you anyfish?
No, they answered.
Now the disciples are outfishing.
It is the Lord.
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As soon as Simon Peter heardhim say it is the Lord, he
wrapped his outer garment aroundhim, for he had taken it off,
and jumped into the water.
The other disciples followed inthe boat.
(56:30):
That's kind of a funny Peter'slike I'm going.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah, it's his boat.
Speaker 3 (56:39):
Yeah, jesus is there.
See you guys, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
He did.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
He pulled a Carter, I'm going to break my 50-meter
breaststroke time getting toJesus.
And the others were like dude,there's a boat, we'll just get
there dry.
But the point is this joy to seeJesus, the same joy that Carter
expressed, the same joy thatChristians have or should have,
(57:05):
that Christians should cultivatethis want, this need, this
desire to be in the presence ofJesus and someday in the actual
presence.
You know, the physical presenceof Jesus in heaven, but even in
the presence of Jesus here onearth, if we can stay in Jesus'
presence, presence of Jesus hereon earth, if we can stay in
Jesus' presence, if we canremind ourselves that he's
(57:26):
always present, it helps us toavoid those sin times.
It helps us to avoid, you know,now, it can also be
embarrassing to go.
I just did that and Jesus iswatching.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, but that's a good thing.
That's how we keep checkingourselves and it's a journey.
It's like weightlifting youdon't start out benching 315.
You start out with the bar andyou get better at it as time
goes on.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Some of us stay at the bar.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
You know we're trying yeah but I'm not talking about
where you get drinks.
I'm talking about where you getdrinks, yeah, yeah, but I'm not
talking about where you getdrinks.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
I'm talking well, we're getting a little long here
, but there's one thing that Iwanted to.
I don't know if I'm gonna beable to phrase it as a question,
but I guess it kind of is.
But it kind of goes back towhat you were saying before,
that last little bit about notnot turning from god, but like
(58:30):
it's just god not leaving us.
And I've said some pretty angryprayers lately and then I'm
like dude, quit, but then I'llsit there.
I'm like, well, at least I'mtalking to god and it's just
like I don't know.
(58:52):
I I think I'm just having atough time trusting god, not Not
internally, but with actions.
It's like I trust God with myheart, but maybe to someone else
(59:14):
it doesn't appear that way.
I guess it's like if I'm tryingto be patient about whatever it
is in my life, but I'm doingthe opposite of being patient.
Am I actually trusting God?
Am I trying to do my own thing,or is God going to?
(59:35):
Let me just kind of keeplooking like a fool until I
decide all right, I'm back.
But then I go back and forth,decide, all right, I'm back.
But then, like I go back andforth, it's like, okay, where's
doesn't, isn't there some actionthat should follow trusting god
?
And like that's where I.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Just it's like I'm pretty scrambled about that
right now yeah, I mean, that'salways, I think, always a
question um, we love god, wetrust him, or we wouldn't pray
to him?
Yeah, you know, we know we needhim, but we have what we want
and we can often go.
(01:00:10):
But what I want God is in aline.
It's aligned with your word,it's I want what you want for me
.
Why ain't I getting it?
Well, god's timing is not ourtiming and it's an answer that
most people don't want to hear.
I didn't want to hear it when Iwas in my 20s, and there's
still times I don't want to hearit.
(01:00:33):
I tell the story.
This will show how big a dork Iwas am still, but I never dated
a girl until I was 19 years old.
But I prayed every night sinceI was probably in junior high,
for a girlfriend.
Didn't happen now, mainlybecause I was complete dork and
(01:00:55):
not gonna happen.
But I, in my world, I was like,like what you're talking about,
I'm a good kid, I'm trying todo what's right.
Why aren't you giving me thisgirlfriend?
Well, god's not that genie inthe bottle.
It's not rub the bottle and I'llgrant you a wish.
We have a relationship with God, and then we have a
(01:01:19):
relationship with others, withhumans around us, and those
relationships we try to makesure they fit.
And then we have a relationshipwith others, with humans around
us, and those relationships wetry to make sure they fit.
So in my scenario it's like okay, I wanted a girlfriend and I'm
like I don't care, god, ifyou'll provide one, then I know
she'll be right.
But then when I found one, thefirst one wasn't right.
(01:01:42):
Second one wasn't right, thirdone wasn't right.
Second one wasn't right, thirdone wasn't right.
But the fourth, fifth, whatevershe is, I don't know anymore,
but she was right and it wasGod's time.
So I'm 24 years old before Imeet my now wife, and I've done
(01:02:09):
it in other situations where wehave, we want what we want when
we want it.
That's a and so learning to becontent with what we have.
But then, like you said, butnot just sitting back and going
all right, god, I'm gonna sithere on my couch and again talk
about if I want a girlfriend.
He's probably not going tomanifest her on the couch next
to me.
I've got to go out and meetpeople and then trust what my
(01:02:34):
eyes and ears tell me.
If I'm asking God for agirlfriend and then I meet this
girl who's a Satanist, probablynot the one God sent me, yeah,
and so we still have these humanrelationships.
But I would have been betterserved to say hey, god, just you
(01:02:58):
and I have our relationship.
Guide me, help me to not falland to stumble.
Help me to be a good person.
Help me, you know.
Help me to not fall into youknow to stumble.
Help me to be a good person.
Help me, you know.
Help restore my faith.
Help you know me to keeptrusting, and then I'll go meet
people and if I'm thinking aboutgodly things, I will eventually
(01:03:18):
be attracted to the rightperson and the right person will
be attracted to me.
But I didn't go about it.
I was that genie in a bottle.
Give me a girlfriend.
Give me a girlfriend.
I'm in junior high.
It's like give me.
Everybody else's got agirlfriend.
Why don't I have a girlfriend?
Uh, and patience when you're 12is not, it's not not the
easiest 25.
It's not easy, yeah yeah, well,and at 55, sometimes patient.
(01:03:42):
But but that goes back to thetraining.
Yeah, I'm much better at it at55 than I was at 25.
I'm much better atunderstanding that everything I
desire isn't needed, it's justwanted.
I mean, we had this discussionat Bible study a couple weeks
(01:04:04):
ago.
What's the one thing we need,jesus?
People would say, well, youneed food, you need water.
Well, you only need them if youhave a desired outcome.
If you want to live for morethan three days or 30 days or
whatever the case is, you needthose.
But really your only need isJesus, because if you died 10
(01:04:32):
minutes from now and you haveJesus, you have all you need.
If you die 10 minutes from nowand you don't have a bottle of
water, you didn't need it.
It doesn't work that way.
And so, understanding that wehave what we want and we read
the Word and we go well, thistells me that I should go forth.
I'm going back to my girlfriendthing.
I should be finding a girl, Ishould be finding a mate and I'm
(01:04:56):
supposed to go forth andprosper.
I think did Spock say that howam I going to do that without a
girlfriend or without a wife?
Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Well, it was in Jesus' time, or it was in.
Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
God's time sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
But that's the hardest time it's like holy cow,
how do I do this?
And I'm so glad that I grew upin the 70s, so if I'd have been
in it now and I'm going to pickon Carter a little bit, I'm not
picking on him, I'm justpointing something out.
Carter's been struggling to geta girlfriend.
(01:05:32):
Anybody listening to thispodcast struggling to get and
keep a girlfriend.
But in today's world this is myopinion with social media,
everybody's looking forperfection.
When I grew up in the's worldthis is my opinion with social
media, everybody's looking forperfection.
When I grew up in the 70s, youknew girls within the
neighboring counties.
(01:05:52):
That was about it, and that'sonly if you went to the small
high schools around.
That was it.
And so you didn't getperfection.
You found somebody that youcould get along with and it went
on.
And nowadays I see and listento people talk.
I've got a coworker that youknow same kind of thing and
they're ghosting each other andit's like, oh wait, she's only
(01:06:14):
5'6" and I wanted 5'7" and hesaid that he makes six figures
but it's only 101,000.
Everybody wants this perfectionon earth and I think it's
harder to date somebody than itwas before.
So I'm glad I was just prayingto God, I wasn't praying to
(01:06:35):
TikTok or whatever the datingapp is.
But yeah, patience is a toughthing and so, if we tie that to
the Easter story, think aboutthe patience again.
What was happening today, 2025years ago.
The patience to go what, yeah,what just happened, and not be
(01:06:59):
frustrated, not be mad, and theangry prayers I tell people all
the time I don't think youshould scream at God, yell at
God on a regular basis.
First off, you can't threatenGod.
What are you going to threatenhim with?
But God understands when you'reangry, upset, irritated,
(01:07:23):
whatever the emotion is, and Godhas big shoulders, he can take
it.
So don't beat yourself up.
When you're like why, why?
Why?
It's like?
He gets the emotion that you'regoing through and he
understands the question andwhere it's coming from more than
people do.
People will hear that and gowhat the heck's wrong with him
(01:07:45):
today.
Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
They don't know everything that's going on in a
person's life, in your life oryour life or my life or whatever
the case is, but God does so, Ithink it's okay, once in a
while, to I wouldn't cuss at Godnecessarily but to question the
why's?
Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
pretty natural thing, that's why why?
Can't I have what I see, thator I perceive somebody else has
pretty common yeah yeah, well, Iappreciate having you on and
sharing that knowledge umknowledge.
From one dork to another.
Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Yeah, Well, thank you guys for listening.
If you want to email us, it'slifebesidechristpod at gmailcom
or find us on Instagram atlifebesidechristpodcast.
I think our next episode ishopefully with Davidid again and
(01:08:45):
also hopefully with, uh, adamfox.
So that's something to lookforward to and, if carter's
around, obviously hopefully hecan make it.
But yeah, thank you guys forlistening.
See you next time.
Thanks everybody, happy Easter.
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