LLP #113: Armed and Ready: A First-Time Gun Buyer's Guide

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Stepping into a gun store for the first time can feel like entering a foreign country—unfamiliar terminology, unspoken etiquette, and the weight of making the right choice. Eric and Matt break through this intimidation barrier with straight talk about what really matters when purchasing your first firearm.

Drawing from years of experience, they dismantle the Hollywood-created stigma around gun buying, replacing fear with practical knowledge. The conversation flows naturally from handling nervousness at the counter to understanding the difference between budget-friendly options and high-end firearms—comparing them to daily driver cars versus weekend luxury vehicles. Just as you wouldn't buy a Ferrari for grocery runs, they explain why that exotic $2,000 pistol might not be your best first purchase.

The hosts share invaluable tips that gun store employees might not tell you: try before you buy at rental ranges, be upfront about your budget, consider quality used firearms (especially police trade-ins), and focus on purpose rather than prestige. They expertly navigate the shotgun versus handgun versus PCC debate for home defense, offering insights on capacity, stopping power, and usability under stress.

What sets this episode apart is the authentic perspective from both sides of the counter—Eric's experience as a former gun salesman combines with Matt's practical approach to create a blueprint for confident first-time buying. Their genuine enthusiasm for helping new gun owners make informed decisions shines through every recommendation.

Whether you're contemplating your first firearm purchase or looking to expand your collection, this episode delivers knowledge that would typically take years of experience to acquire. Ready to explore the world of firearms without the intimidation factor? This is your roadmap to becoming an informed, responsible gun owner.

YouTube Video Link:
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Shotgun Load Video
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Episode Transcript

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(02:15):
regards to shopping for yourfirst gun, and I thought that
this would be a great episode todiscuss the gun buying process.
You know what it's likeshopping for your first gun.
I mean, there's a lot of people, matt, that are new to buying
firearms and for some it can bethis sort of daunting situation
where maybe they're not you know, maybe they watch too many like
Hollywood movies and things andthey have this sort of strange

(02:38):
jaded, preconceived notationabout what shopping for a gun is
like.
You know, they watchTerminatorinator and they see
the Terminator go in and I don'tknow.
For some reason there's thisHollywood stigma about buying a
gun.
That is just kind of odd.
It's almost like they want youto feel like you're in the

(02:58):
process of committing a crimejust for buying a gun.
There's a whole psychologicalthing behind it when you think
about it.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, and I can totally see that.
I would say the most dauntingpart of your first purchase is
getting comfortable withhandling the firearm.
How many people decide go fromI need to buy a firearm,
regardless of what it's for,whether it's for self-defense,
personal protection, justbecause you want one, whatever

(03:28):
it may be, they go from I need afirearm to.
I'm standing at a counter witha guy handing me a firearm and I
have no idea what to do with it.
I've never held it, I don'tknow, I'm not comfortable with
it.
And I would say most people canalleviate that just by going to
the shooting range and shootingit.

(03:49):
Like renting the firearm, first, getting comfortable with the
firearm Not to say that if youreally want to purchase one you
can, there's your, you can.
But to alleviate that pressureand that stress and that fear,
that pressure and that stressand that fear, rent the firearm,
fire it, get used to it, loadit, whatever you need to do.

(04:14):
And I guarantee you, after youdo that once, twice or thrice,
you'll feel way more comfortable.
When that gun shop owner or, youknow, counter attendant
whoever's helping you hands thatgun to you, puts it in your
hands, you're like all right,this is familiar.
I know where to put my fingers.
I know where to put my fingers,I know where to put my hands, I
know not to like point it atpeople and and I talk to them,
um, because I'll tell you, I'vebeen in a gun store.
I'm sure, eric, you've been ina gun store as well.

(04:34):
You just see people that looknervous.
They look very nervous.
They don't know what to do withit once it's in their hands, um
, and that's scary man.
That could be a scary thing.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
When I was still working at Moss, we had a young
lady walk in the door and youknow, look, I'm not throwing
shade on this young lady, butshe definitely did something
unsafe and you know I dealt withit in the best way that I could
at the time.
But she comes in and she's gotthis big, gaudy purse and she's
like, hey, I want to pawn thispistol.

(05:06):
And before I can even thinkabout what, before I could even
process what she said Pulls thatbad boy out.
Here she is pulling it out ofthe purse hey, I want to pawn
this pistol.
And she pulls out an FN57.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
A 20-round mag and she has her finger on the
trigger, points it at my bellyand I look down and what do I
see?
The safety isn't on, and youknow the FN-57 has a relatively
light trigger.
Oh yeah, so I'm thinking thislady is carrying around a loaded
5.7.
Well, I have to assume it'sloaded.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
We're getting there and I'm thinking, oh my God,
like I'm about to get shot inthe stomach with an fn57 from
point blank range by someone whowas just being dumb.
I didn't want to frighten her,I was just like, all right, let
me have that.
And of course I first thing Idid, I sort of grabbed the
muzzle.
I said, let go, and I like, andI pulled the mag out, full ammo

(05:58):
.
Oh boy, pulled the slide back,cleared it round in the chamber,
safety off, like that's thekind of stuff, boys and girls,
you want to avoid that.
Okay, always treat every firearmas if it's loaded.
Treat it.
You know you follow those basictenets of gun safety.
You know, don't ever point afirearm at anything that you
don't want to destroy or thatyou can't destroy.

(06:20):
Look, you know, alwaysunderstand what's beyond your
target, right, understand thecapabilities of the firearm.
You know, treat that, treat themuzzle as an invisible laser
beam, that if you muzzle someonewith that laser beam, you're
gonna I don't know like whenyou're a kid and you go, you get
to step in lava, like that kindof thing.
I always think, okay, there'san invisible death laser in

(06:41):
front of the muzzle of this gunand if I muzzle with it.
It's the same thing as likecutting them with a lightsaber.
Like if you just get it in yourmind that the muzzle is deadly,
then you'll never have themindset of accidentally sweeping
someone.
Like, for instance, if I pickthis revolver up, all right, I'm
not going to sweep.
If I have to move this revolverfrom here to here, I'm not

(07:10):
going to sweep Matt, who'ssitting across from me.
I'm going to bring it acrosswith the muzzle up and then show
it to him.
This way You're not going tomuzzle someone.
So, yeah, all right, if I haveto rotate or move a firearm in
my vicinity, I'm going to liftit up or point the floor.
But you know, either way,either up, up or down, and I'm
going to make sure there's noone that's going to get muzzled.
Easy, it doesn't matter if it'sa shotgun rifle, et cetera.

(07:32):
So, um, matt brings up a reallygood point about training and
about capabilities.
Um, I think that people go intofirearm uh, you know, purchase
and for one they don't know whatoptions are out there.
They don't know, you know, whatis available for them and and
sometimes that can be a dauntingtask as well I mean, we are
very lucky in America,especially in that we have more

(07:54):
access to so many cool firearmsyou could ever ask for.
So the beauty of capitalism isthat there are endless options.
Everyone can compete.
And there are so many greatoptions out there, priced from
very inexpensive all the way upto super bougie.
I mean you can call up Cabotand order a gun made out of a
meteorite if you want to.

(08:15):
So look, cabot's a greatcompany too.
Of them, yeah, you could ordera pair, you know, hey, so there
are opulent all the way down tobasic and functional, Okay.
So understanding those, you knowthose options, is important.
You know, just because youspend a lot of money on a
firearm doesn't mean you can getsomething that might really be

(08:36):
that great.
There is a threshold, as I'vediscussed in some previous
YouTube videos that I've made.
I'll try to remember to link afew of those videos down below.
I've done a first-time buyer'sguide.
If you want to just digest thatinformation separately, you can
do so.
But there is a threshold ofvalue versus what you're
actually getting for the money.

(08:57):
And you know there are firearmscompanies that we kind of hold
into certain categories where wesay, hey, this is a great value
for the money.
You may not be getting like thefancy super, I don't know
well-known established brand,but you're going to get a good
product that's going to protectyou.
I digress, let's go back to whatMatt was talking about, because

(09:17):
he brought up a really goodpoint.
Okay, what about going into agun shop that, let's say, they
have a range attached to themand then they do gun rentals,
where you can go to the rentalcounter and usually you pay like
, I think, 15 or 20 bucks andyou buy their ammo and you can
rent a certain gun and try itout.
So what if you've never shot aI don't know Beretta M9, or
you've never shot a Glock 19,?
Or you've never shot a SmithWesson J-frame revolver or

(09:40):
something like that?
And what if you?
I mean, why would you buy it ifyou didn't know if you like it
or not?
Maybe the recoil impulse isweird, maybe you don't like the
trigger, maybe you don't likethe way it fits your hand, et
cetera.
There might be a number ofthings that you either like or
don't like about a given firearm, but it's also important to
remember that you may not knowwhat you like.
Okay, so that's another thingabout it too.

(10:03):
If you are new to guns andyou're going into a gun purchase
, don't get so obsessed withhaving a preconceived notation
about what you like or don'tlike.
Be open-minded.
Go in there and just look, letthe salesman show you some stuff
.
Let them spend their timeshowing you stuff.
That's what their job is is to.
I mean, yeah, they're trying toconvince you to buy a gun, but

(10:25):
at the same time, most of themthat are good are going to want
you to really know your options.
Okay, by all means, get theoptions.
You wouldn't go into the firstyou know dealer, dealership for
a car and just buy the first caryou see.
Would you know you?
Would you know?
Oh, I know what I want to spendon a car.
I know kind of a basic ideawhat I want the car to do now.

(10:45):
Ok, that's to say, are webuying a dump truck?
Are we buying a truck to pull atrailer?
Are we buying a sports car?
Are we buying a Polarisslingshot?
What are we buying?
You know when you're going tobuy a vehicle, whether it's for
pleasure or for work or forcommuting, right, you got to
think about firearms in the samelight that you know there are

(11:08):
your daily driver firearms.
There are your kind of bougiefancy ones.
Those are your Ferraris, youknow, and everything in between.
Could you drive a Ferrari towork every day?
Hey, I mean more power to youif you can.
But for most of us we'reprobably getting in our Honda
Civic and commuting 25 miles towork or whatever.
And hey, we want to save on gas, we want cheaper insurance, we
want cheaper tires.

(11:29):
Guys, girls, guns are the sameway.
Okay, yes, you know, somethinglike a Glock 19 is like the
Honda Civic of guns.
If there's a problem, okay,something fails on the gun, a
part breaks, dirt, cheap to fix,easy to take apart.
Okay, if we compare working onguns to being a mechanic in a
car, I can pull a Glock 19 apartto the smallest piece in less

(11:55):
than two minutes.
I'm talking.
I can have that gun in everypiece that it is in probably a
couple of minutes.
With just one basic tool I cankeep on my key chain.
Not every gun is like that.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
You take a Browning A5 shotgun that has timed screws
and all sorts of random stuff.
Now the A5 is that's anotherstory.
Now you ain't taking that gunapart in two minutes Very, very
different animal, okay.
So it's just all aboutunderstanding what you're
getting into.
And you know, do you wantsomething that's easy to care
for, a good, easy daily driverthat gets good gas mileage?

(12:29):
That's the way to think aboutguns.
Why do people choose somethinglike a Smith and Wesson MMP or
Glock 19 is their first gun?
Because it's a good dailydriver, because it's reliable,
because it's cheap and easy towork on and because it
represents a value and a namethat people can trust.
You know, it's true.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
And the.
I love using cars as examples,as a comparisons to firearms,
because people have the samefeelings towards both.
There there's that vanityfeeling it's like.
So people get so heavilyinvested in, in the vanity
aspect of firearms.
You saw watches yes, so you know.
So you know you want like.

(13:08):
They're like oh, I want thatgucci gun.
Well, guess what?
That gucci gun comes with gucciproblems and you said, hey, you
don't want to drive a ferrarievery day.
Ask a ferrari owner how much anoil change cost, or ask how
much a brake job costs on aPorsche GT3.
You're talking like tens ofthousands of dollars on a brake

(13:30):
job that you have to do everyquarter per Porsche's guidelines
, otherwise they won't doanything to the car.
You have to upkeep thosevehicles.
Guns are the same way.
If you think you're going to goand purchase a $10,000 AR and
it's going to run flawlessly, no, they all have their own quirks
that you, as the firearm owner,have to learn.

(13:52):
I mean, it's just little thingsthat like when you customize a
gun that much like there's goingto be quirks, there's going to
be issues that you're going tohave to to work around and only
you as the owner will know that.
It's like if so, if you letsomebody borrow your car, like,
oh man, you got to jiggle thekey just a certain way and you
have to have the steering wheelturned at this angle and then

(14:14):
it'll start, I mean it could bea very nice car but it just
happens to have that littlequirk that you, that you have to
, did you have to, that you haveto work around um, as far as,
like, you know the whole vanitything a lot of people get caught
up in that.
They go in there and they'relike everybody has a glock, I
want something else.
So then you start getting intoguys that want that, that very

(14:34):
niche firearm that quite franklydoesn't have a lot of support.
So you might run into likeparts issues.
You might run into like supportissues, um, or they get into
this weird caliber FOMO wherelike, oh, I want so, for example
, five, seven.
You know people like, oh, Iwant to carry a five seven
bottleneck.
You know pistol cartridge.

(14:55):
Like bro, it's like two orthree bucks around.
Man, you're going to go andsling that stuff at the range
all day, like no, it's anexpensive gun to feed it is at
the range all day, like no, it'san expensive gun to feed it is.
And you know you're just notgonna, when you run into those
issues, you're not gonna spendas much time practicing and and
putting rounds down rangebecause it's so expensive.
It's the reason I don't shoot300 blackout man like.

(15:16):
Sure I love it, but I don'tlove feeding it like it's.
You know the way it is.
It's very true.
Um, so we have the vanity Iexpect.
But what can you expect whenyou go to a gun store and you're
making that first purchase?
The same thing you would dowhen you go to buy a car be
informed before you get there.
The, the sales people there areno different than sales people

(15:39):
at any place.
Their job is to sell yousomething and they're going to
sell you what they want to sellyou.
And we've seen it time and timeagain.
You've experienced it as as gunpurchasers guys, you and girls.
You've seen it.
You go in there.
Oh, it's atypical of of womenpurchasers.
Oh, you want this littlej-frame, hammerless.

(16:01):
It's not going to get caught inyour purse when you like.
They're assuming you're in anoff-body carry.
I was gonna to fit in yourlittle purse, just right.
It's a small little package,you know, don't, don't get
caught up in that.
I'll just go there, rent thefirearms, try it out.
You'd be extremely surprised athow many people can shoot three

(16:21):
, eighties, nine mils.
You know, I'm not a fan of thewhat is it?
30 super carrier, whatever, nota big fan of that one.
But don't fall into the trap ofthe salesperson recommending
you something that they want toget off the shelf.
That gun could probably besitting there for like three
years and they're just waitingfor that person to come in.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
You know.
It's interesting, matt, thatyou mentioned vanity, because it
is true in any other industry,whether you're buying cars, or
watches, or clothing or shoes oranything any consumer good,
especially when there are tiersof goods.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I mean, there's a difference between a $1,200 pair
of shoes and a hundred dollarpair of shoes, right, which is
quality of workmanship, qualityof materials, name, brand
recognition, whatever it may be.
Salesmen have a really greatway of figuring out what you
really want to spend.
In fact, some will just ask youespecially and I know this now.
Look, I was a gun salesman foryears I know, okay, and

(17:16):
sometimes you just say, justcome right out and say, well,
what are you looking to spend?
That helps me narrow it down.
That way I'm not showing youthings that maybe you don't want
, maybe you like it, but you'renot going to buy it because you
don't want to spend that muchmoney.
So tell me, what is the number?
What did you think you weregoing to spend today?
That's not me being tooobtrusive or insensitive to the

(17:39):
situation, but if I go to aFerrari dealership that sells,
let's say, I don't know, maybeit's a dealership that has some
luxury cars, but maybe some moreentry level cars too that are
still in a luxury brand, like aPorsche Taycan versus a Porsche
911, which they're both greatcars, but they're two very
different cars, ok, with twovery different price points.
So if I go to a Porschedealership and they go.

(18:02):
Well, what are you looking tospend?
And I say well, I want to spend$75,000 on a Porsche.
They're going.
Well, we know we're not lookingat 911s, we know we're not
looking at XYZ GT, blah, blah,blah, whatever.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Caymans over here.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Right, you might look at a Cayman.
Or hey, you want to spend$75,000.
I might have a used 911 for youthat's three or four years old.
Anyway, the point I digress.
The point is sometimes knowingthe number can help a salesman
narrow it down.
So don't be afraid, if you'regoing into shop for a gun, don't

(18:31):
be afraid to say look, you know, just in the interest of us
being clear with each other,I've got a set budget today and
with holster, ammo andeverything I want to spend about
I don't know, $750.
That's a good.
That's that's a good.
Okay, cool, yeah, you can get aGlock with a holster, a few

(18:52):
boxes of ammo.
You know you probably get setup pretty well for 750, you know
, especially if you buy a usedGlock, you might even be able to
afford to buy you a gun coursewith that money too.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
That's something that a lot of people they overlook
is the pre-owned firearms guysPre.
They overlook is the pre-ownedfirearms guys pre.
There is absolutely nothingwrong with that matter of fact.
I would make that, now thatyou've watched the episode and
you're fully educated onpurchasing your first firearm,
walk right over to the usedfirearms counter, talk to him

(19:20):
first and then make yourdecision, because there's
absolutely no difference betweena pre-owned Glock 19 and a
brand new Glock 19.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
So I have a full video series, I think, that Chad
and I did some years ago aboutshopping for used firearms.
That's here on YouTube.
If you want to check it out, ifyou're listening y'all out
there in the podcast world ifyou're listening to audio, only
go to iWriteVeter 8888 onyoutube and I've got a whole
library of different videos I'vemade over the years and if you
just look up, you know, go intomy search bar, search my channel

(19:52):
and just search used guns.
It'll pull it up.
I've got all kind of stuffabout shopping for used guns.
There are some things you wantto look at for used guns.
Um, there's nothing wrongbuying a used gun.
In fact, buying used is, um, agreat way to go.
We did have some show and tellplan.
Maybe this is a great way forme to break into the first show
and tell.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
This, okay, is a great example of what I'm
talking about.
This is a Mossberg 500AB.
This gun is probably from thelate 80s, so it's a little bit
older.
You can see it's just got the.
You know wood furniture, youknow the five shot tube, 18 and
a half inch barrel, but this isa police shotgun.
This actually came out of apolice department in New York.

(20:30):
Okay, so this is a New Yorkpolice trade in it's got a butt
number and everything.
This is a crown grade gun witha jewel bolt 200 bucks used.
Yeah, absolutely so.
That actually does bring us toour first sponsor of the show,
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Speaker 3 (21:50):
That's a great sponsor.
Yeah, great, great timing onthat spot.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
And maybe they have some used stuff too.
So you never know.
Never shy away from used or new.
Um, I would say, if I had tonarrow it down to buying new or
used, you can save money buyingused.
Nothing wrong with that.
In fact there's a lot of greatpolice trade-ins out there that
can be had, just like thatshotgun I just showed you.

(22:15):
But buying new is good too, soit just depends.
Think this If I was going tobuy a 1990s Ford 250 Recon
four-wheeler, okay, it's goingto come with 1990s Ford Recon
four-wheeler problems.
Yeah, it might come with theFord Recon price.

(22:36):
Or I'm sorry, ford, listen tome.
Honda, honda Recon.
Ford does not make that.
By the way, that is a Hondaproduct.
Boys and girls, I have not hadenough coffee today.
A Honda Recon is a 250ccfour-wheeler I can buy used on
Craigslist for a grand orsomething.
Is it going to be a functionalfour-wheeler?
Yeah, if you don't mind turningsome wrenches, if you don't

(22:57):
mind doing a carburetor rebuildfrom time to time, checking
wiring, there's no telling it'sgoing to come with its problems,
right, yeah, you can buy acheaper option.
But you know, you may just haveto be handy at fixing things
and working on things or atleast take it to a gunsmith and
have it vetted.
This old shotgun here I mean,yeah, this one's probably from
the late 80s, mid 90s, somewherein that ballpark.

(23:19):
You know this is an oldershotgun.
Does that mean that the springsin it are still as strong as
they were when it was first made?
Probably not now, because it'sa police trade-in.
Okay, it's probably beencarried a lot in a patrol car or
something and probably not shota lot, and if you look at it
it's mechanically in really goodshape.
Okay, in this situation, yeah,we take it out, shoot it, test

(23:41):
it.
Probably okay, right.
But you know, just understandthat if you buy a used firearm
you might need to go through andreplace springs and maybe give
it some fresh magazines.
You know, have it checked out.
It's just like buying a usedcar y'all.
If you buy a used gun,especially if it's the only gun
you're going to own, you mightwant to go through the process
of making dang sure that thatthing is trustworthy, and that

(24:04):
means testing it, vetting it,having it checked out.
So you need to factor that intowhat you're spending.
You may have to pay a gunsmith50 bucks to go through and just
do a check over for you.
Have them go through and cleanit and check it for you and
check the springs, and there'ssome things that gunsmiths can
do.
They can check the headspaceand there's all sorts of action
proving dummies.
They can even test fire the gunfor you if that's something you

(24:26):
want them to do.
So don't be afraid to spend alittle bit of extra money on a
used gun and have it vetted.
Have a gunsmith look it over,especially if it's the only gun
you're going to have.
Now.
Going back to used versus new,that's where buying new might be
a good idea.
When you buy new, you knowyou're starting clean slate.
Buying new might be a good idea.
Like, when you buy new, youknow you're starting clean slate

(24:48):
.
You know that you are thecaretaker of that gun from day
one and that it's been in yourcare and your employ the whole
time and that, okay, whatever'sgoing on with that gun, it's how
it left the factory.
You ain't got to worry ifsomeone dropped it and messed
the sites up or if the springsare wore out or if the mags are
bad or any number of otherissues that could be out there.
That is true.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
So, based on that, we do have a couple of pieces of
fan mail that we'll read.
One of them pertains to theconversation.
The first piece is from LaGrande, oregon, and, guys, if
you want to send us in questionsto answer, there's a link that
says you know, ask us a question, we'll answer it on the podcast

(25:31):
.
Literally it's a link, youclick it it's going to come up
as a text message.
It's an anonymous text, sothat's why we don't have the
names here, unless you want togive it to us and then you can
send the question in, we'llanswer it.
So this is from LeGrand Organ.
It says on an older episode youguys were talking about PCCs,

(25:51):
so I picked up Smith Wesson'sFPC side folder, chambered in
9mm.
I mounted a Holosun 2 MOA reddot and a combo white light with
green laser Familiar with that,probably talking about the
Balder too, it has a littlesling on it Self-contained
firepower of 64 rounds with twofactory mags stored in the stock

(26:14):
slots.
It is five pounds.
Over the past year I have usedthe FPC to kill a skunk, a
marmot and a bear.
Jeez, what?
Yeah, man, okay, eight-inchgroups at 100 yards with a
16-inch barrel.
It is fairly quite plain butwildly quiet with a can, very
effective and reliable.

(26:34):
One point of interest is muzzlevelocity.
With a 16-inch barrel, a135-grain or 147-grain velocity
is basically going the samespeed as a handgun.
A 124 is 100 feet per secondfaster in a carbine.
A 115 is 200 feet per secondfaster Got it All right.
And if you use a lightmonolithic bullets you can get

(26:57):
300 feet per second.
Got it.
It doesn't make it a rifleround, but it can be an
advantage.
It rests in my gentle, baby,harmless, unsuspecting backpack.
Question have you tested an FPC?
I believe he has.
I think this could beat a sub2000, which you have quite a bit

(27:20):
of experience with, eric.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
There's one right behind you.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
What do you think Can it beat sub-2000?
Affordability, reliability ormore capable?
Keep up the good work, guys.
Okay, and he actually gave ushis name, Jake.
Hey, Jake.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Okay, that's a great question.
So I'll just kind of quicklymention that we do have a
YouTube video, a full YouTubevideo, comparing the FPC to the
sub 2000.
And I discussed many points ofcontention between the two in
that video.
If you want to check it out,we'll put a link to that.
Hopefully, remember to put alink to that in the description

(28:02):
below.
You can check that video out ifyou want to get the full detail
.
Hopefully, remember to put alink to that in the description
below.
You can check that video out ifyou want to get the full detail
.
I will just say briefly okay, Iwon't spend a ton of time on
this, since we do have a videoaddressing your question, but I
will talk about it for just amoment.
The FPC is a little moreexpensive than the Sub 2000.
I do think the build quality onthe FPC is considerably better.
Smith Wesson makes a very finegun.

(28:22):
I do like the folding carbines.
I think they're very useful.
I do like the fact that the FPCfolds to the side and you can
leave your optic on there andeverything's good.
The FPC doesn't fold up quiteas compact as the Sub 2000 and
the new Gen 3 Sub 2000 has arotating handguard that allows
you to keep the optic on.

(28:46):
That was always a complaintwith the early sub 2000s is that
you could not leave an optic onthe gun when you folded it.
Kel-tec has addressed that witha new Gen 3 sub 2000.
So if you compare the Gen 3 sub2000 to the, you know, gen 1
FPCs which Smith Wesson justreleased a 10 millimeter version
, by the way that just came out,I noticed so that's pretty cool

(29:08):
.
I haven't shot one of those,but I do have a nine millimeter
version.
Um, you know they they'rehitting in the same area in
terms of features.
Once you consider the gen 3 sub2000, I personally am a fan of
the OG sub 2000.
I like it.
I remember when the sub ninecame out it was an alloy frame
sub 2000.

(29:28):
It was a lot heavier because itwas made out of alloy.
But I tell you, those early subnines were a lot of fun and I
really regret getting rid of myOG one, although I do have
serial number E4000, which, ifyou know anything, and it's so
weird, I remember that serialnumber which, if you know
anything, and it's so weird, Iremember that serial number.
I have sub 2000 model, I havethe sub 2000 with serial number
E4000, which, after talking toKel-Tec, was, I think like the

(29:51):
first year or two that they madethe sub 2000.
Wow, the one behind you, meanGreeny, back there.
Oh yeah, I painted it dirt,coated it green.
I remember when you did thatepisode.
But anyway, that's a great gun.
I like the Sub 2000,.
But I can appreciate the SmithWesson as well.
I would say the build qualityon the Smith Wesson is probably
a little better.
Although I like how compact theOG Sub 2000 is.

(30:13):
I like to run it with ironsights.
Just have it compact, you know,folded up nice and small Fits
in just about any backpack.
Much smaller footprint.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's just my opinion.
Anyway, thanks Jake for thequestion.
Do we have another?
Uh, another question.
We have one, we have one more.
Um, and guys, just to prefacethis, you guys are more than
welcome to ask us any questionyou want, but we don't have to
answer them.
If they're, if they're toopersonal or we just don't feel
like answering them, we won'tbut this was a series of
questions yeah, yeah, there's afew.
I'm probably not gonna.
Yeah, so just to preface this,guys, we do like our privacy.

(30:49):
Don't.
Don't send us, hey, what's yourphone number?
What's your?
Where do you live?
Like none of that?
All right, don't do that.
Um, so, guys, this is from, uh,hensdale, illinois, okay, uh,
no name associated with this, soanonymity is okay with us.
Hey guys, been a listener andviewer of the channel for years
now.
Just wanted to ask a fewquestions.
One, I know this may be asensitive subject, but I really

(31:12):
enjoyed hearing the limitedstories of your guy's time in
Iraq.
I'd love to hear all of it, notjust the watered down family
friendly version.
Two, I'd like to hear aboutwhat happened with Eric and his
ex-wife.
We all know they divorced, butI don't know any of the
backstory.
When are we going to get achance to watch Chad or Matt get

(31:36):
behind a gun and in the heatsuit and do a meltdown?
Or Eric, we just want to seemore meltdowns.
How often do you guys getrecognized in public?
Do you enjoy being in thepublic eye?
Have either of you had a badexperience meeting a fan in
public before?
Okay, and final question in theseries of questions gosh, yeah

(32:02):
I mean, they only have to chargetheir money for this.
This is like what calling cleohey my good to read your fortune
and final, final question haveyou ever had or thought you were
going to have to draw your ccwon somebody?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
that's a very that's a valid question.
That's some loaded questions.
Yeah, I'm probably going tostay away from the personal ones
because I mean, you know my, mypersonal life is my personal
life.
As would I?
I'll just say that I'm veryhappy and things are going
wonderful.
My life, I could not be happier.
I love my girlfriend and she'sgreat and I'll just leave it at

(32:37):
that Perfect.
Now on Iraq, you know you got tobe careful talking about stuff
too much when it comes to thatsort of thing, because you know
and we've discussed this inprevious podcasts before is that
everyone's war is different.
Like, if you talk to you know,100 different Vietnam vets.
They all experience the VietnamWar in a different way.

(32:58):
And I think Iraq andAfghanistan, it's the same way.
Like, some guys saw some trulyheinous stuff, some people it
might have been a little more.
Just, you know vanilla, yeah,kind of not a lot going on.
So it depends on where you were, what time you were there, what
your job is, what you, what youdo, where you went.
So me, looking back on um, thetotality of of the iraq war, you

(33:24):
, it's just like you have to putyourself in the mentality of
being this young guy and youknow you're wet behind the ears
still you don't know a lot aboutthe world yet you think you do.
It's like when you're in your20s, you feel like you're a man,
you feel like you're an adult.
It's like when you get 40 or 50, you realize like, wow, I

(33:47):
really didn't know anything.
And sometimes it's important toto remember that when you're
talking about something that'sbeen filtered through the minds
of a 20 year old, you know, 20year old you is going to think a
lot different than 40, 50 yearold you.
And that's weird to think aboutit in retrospect, to look back
on it, matt, after all, thistime it's like a lifetime ago,
as old as you were at the time,like it was half your life ago,
easily, yeah.
So it's like the way yourecollect things and the way you

(34:10):
process those things thathappen is going to be very
different for every person.
And I almost feel like now Ilook back on some of the
situations I was in and Ithought, you know, at the time
it seemed pretty dangerous, butthen now I think it really
wasn't that dangerous.
But when you're a kid it'sdangerous because this is the
most scariest thing you've everseen in your life.
But after you've lived another20, 30 years on this planet and

(34:32):
realize, well, there's a lot ofscary things in the world, you
kind of go well, maybe what Iwent through wasn't as bad as I
thought, but at the time it'sscary as hell.
Yeah, you have something blowup near you or you see someone
dead.
I mean, those are all unnaturalthings that are not normal.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, I would agree and I think it's just like you
said.
Everybody processes itdifferently and again, it
depends on what rotation you'reon.
If you were on those early GWATrotations, yeah, it was bad.
If you start getting higher upin that number, you know, seven,
eight, nine, ten, eleven,twelve, maybe not, but again, I
was on those rotations.
But you know, I think it justdepends on you know how early on

(35:14):
in that g watt you were in.
We were number three.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yes, we were number three, it was still kind of
early and they had the electionsthat year yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
So I mean it was, it was the best of times and it was
the worst of times, and it wasthe worst of times.
I mean you look back, it wasliterally how I look at it.
It's like, hey, you know itsucked, it was like 500 days of
just suck, but I, I would nottrade it for anything in the
world because that, theexperiences you gain, the
camaraderie you gain, yeah, um,the things that you went through

(35:42):
, it was amazing, like it.
It literally shapes you to whoyou are and allows you to to get
through your life without youknow feeling sorry for yourself.
Yeah, I agree.
So yeah, and then you have,let's say, we don't have time to
answer all of them.
I wish we did, but let's, wecan probably do two more, um, if

(36:03):
you wanted I mean that this isa conversation, could almost be
a whole video.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
You know so and you know what maybe, maybe we will.
Yeah, maybe we'll revisit.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Um, so I guess we'll hit on two things.
Sure, have you, uh, had a badexperience meeting a fan in
public?
And two have you ever had todraw your ccw?
So that's what we'll end thisQ&A on.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Have I ever had a bad experience meeting a fan?
No, never.
Y'all have always been great.
Every person who has ever comeup and I tell you I can say that
I'm not bullshitting y'allEvery fan that has ever come up
to me has been nothing buthumble and cool and always, you
know, never made me feel weirdedout or anything like that, and

(36:45):
I've always accepted that.
It is just part of theterritory that comes along with.
You know, if you're someone onYouTube who puts themselves out
there in the way that you do andyou have to accept that someone
is going to come up and sayhello to you.
Quick story, not even related tome, but related to another
famous person, and I'm not evengoing to look, I'm not going to

(37:07):
throw shade on this person.
I've never met this person, buta good friend of mine was
waiting tables at a realhigh-end restaurant one time and
in comes and again, notthrowing shade on this person.
Never met him.
This is being filtered throughthe mind of a friend of mine.
Okay, yes, but this can showyou like, like.
Sometimes you should never meetyour heroes, right?
And uh m walks.
Uh, yungve malmsteen.

(37:27):
You know the swedish shredguitar guy.
You know he plays the big,large head strap with the
scalloped got it yep,neoclassical, real fast shredder
.
You know great guitarist.
He comes pulling in in a redferrari.
Got a real hot girl with himyou know, I mean, dude, he's a
rock star.
It's like's what you do.
You live like a rock star.
You have leather pants onsnakeskin boots, hair all 80s, I

(37:50):
mean just like he came out ofthe 80s, you know.
But boy, I tell you, was he ajerk to my friend?
And again, I've never met theman.
I'm not going to.
I don't think he's a jerk.
I I've never met the man.
I'm not going to, I will.
I don't think he's a jerk.
I just want to make that clear.
I've never met Yungve Malmsteen.
I don't know if he's a jerk ornot, I'm just saying that.
My friend told me that he was areal jerk to him and he was

(38:12):
like man.
You know, I really looked up tohim as a musician and sometimes
you should never meet yourheroes.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
That's what they can.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Someone.
Can you know a famous person orwhatever.
It could be anyone, a famousmusician or a ball player or
whatever Anyone movie star, youknow?
Can someone have a bad day andmaybe they've just talked to

(38:39):
their 50th fan for the day andmaybe you're just the one that,
when they met, they're like, ohmy God, like I just can't handle
anymore.
They can't, can't take it.
Maybe, but that's not an excuse.
I just wanted to reiterate thatI feel like if you put yourself
out there in public, you have toaccept a certain amount of
people coming up to you andwanting your time, because you

(39:01):
know they um, relate to you, you, they see you as someone that
they can approach.
If they even have the courageto walk up to you and talk to
you, you should give them a fewminutes of your time, and that's
the way I've always looked atit.
Sometimes it drives people thatI'm with crazy because they're
like, hey, we have to go, wehave things to do and I've had a
fan stop me before and I'lltalk to him for, you know, 10 or

(39:23):
15 or 15 minutes If you're in ahurry or going somewhere,
especially SHOT Show.
Yeah, shot Show's rough man,I've got to go do a booth plug
or something and then I've gotsomeone stopping me.
I'm going to give that personmy time, because how many hours
of their time have they given mewatching my content?
That's a great way to look atit.
That's the way I look at it.
I try to be humble about it.

(39:44):
That's just me.
So to answer the question heck,no, I've never met a fan where
I felt weirded out.
I love you guys.
And what was the other question?

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Have you ever had to draw your CCW?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Are any lawyers watching?
What's the statute oflimitation?
Yeah, statute plausible tonight.
What's the statute oflimitation?
Yeah, that's you plausibletonight.
Seven years, well, okay, look,um, one time I had to pull my
gun on somebody and, uh, itwasn't necessarily that I was
trying to.
You know, I wasn't trying tofreak him out or overreact to

(40:19):
the situation, but the way thatit went down and the the, the
speed in which the situationwent down, it was just a
conditioned response.
You know, one minute someone'sgot their head in your window of
your car.
You're sitting at anintersection.
And the next minute it's justyou don't know how it happened,
but you have a gun pointed atthem and, like you don't know
how you got from them havingtheir head in your window to

(40:42):
them having a gun in their face.
But it happened to me.
I was sitting at anintersection and this guy just
comes and pokes his head in mywindow.
He, I guess, appeared fromtraffic behind me.
I guess he had stopped and gotout of his car and came up to my
window, put his head in mywindow and before I could even
think, I had a gun pointed rightin his face.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
That's a bad idea for him.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Well, I wasn could even think I had a gun pointed
right in his face.
That's a bad idea for him.
Well, I wasn't trying to bemean, but it's just like I kind
of gave him.
I remember like kind of givingthat.
Look like, where are you tryingto put your head, like what are
you doing?
And I think I might even saidwhat are you doing?
Oh man, whoa.
He saw the gun.
He freaked out.
He got oh man, I was justasking directions.
Like you know, you have a voiceright.
Like you could approachsomeone's car.

(41:26):
I had my window down.
You can approach someone's carand go hey man, can you tell me
how to get to yada yada or askdirections?
You got freaking google.
What the hell are you talkingabout?
You got google maps.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Like you don't need to ask directions in 2024 and
there might be a certain youknow aspect that it might not
have been entirely true untiluntil he looked down that might
have been his cover to justifywhy he had his head in my
vehicle.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I mean, you don't stick your head in someone's
vehicle.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
You know like, just because I have the windows open
to my house doesn't mean you'regonna stick your head in my
house and ask me a question.
You know, it's just I wasdumbfounded.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
In that moment I was dumbfounded and I it was just a
conditioned response.
I just, it just happened, Ijust did it.
I looked down.
There's a glock 19.
You know, it's far from theguy's face, like finger on the
trigger.
It's like I was, I guess in mymind.
I was prepared that if he wasgonna I don't know, I didn't
know what he was gonna do, Ididn't know what his intentions
were, but I, I wasn't about tofind out.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
No, and that's the thing you can't find out,
especially like I drive with mydaughter in the car all the time
, my response is whatever I haveto do to make sure that I'm
able to take her home, right,you know?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Well, after he realized he had a gun trained on
him, you know, the demeanor ofthe situation changed.
We diffused the situation.
I quickly was like, oh, I mean,how do you respond to someone
who says, oh, just ask indirections?
I mean, and the guy was kind ofdumb and I kind of thought
maybe he's a little off or slow.
So I thought, okay, I put thegun down.

(42:57):
I'm like where are you tryingto go?
And he told me, oh yeah, well,you go blah blah blah.
I gave me.
I was like, oh yeah, will yougo blah blah?
I gave him the directions but Iwas just thinking like that's
not how you ask.
It was a misunderstanding,essentially.
But uh, anyway, yeah, he got aglock 19 pointed at him this
this day and age I treat walkingup on.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
If I have to walk up on someone's vehicle, I treat it
like I'm having to walk upbehind a horse, and if you ever
walked up behind a horse, youhave to definitely let them know
you are there, like usually.
Like as soon as you walk up,you're talking, you're touching
them, making sure theyunderstand where you are in in

(43:33):
their space, because either thator they're going to cave your
face in or your chest in with akick.
Same thing with the car.
I'm making sure you see me inyour side mirror.
I'm, I'm giving you the handand arm signals.
I'm letting you know I'm notwalking with my hands up, but
I'm letting you know like, hey,I'm not a threat.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
I just need to talk.
I need to something, but that'show I treat that.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, let someone know you're not a threat.
I mean, there are universalsigns that you can give a person
to know you're not a threat.
You know, hey, my hands, if I'mshowing you my, I'm walking up,
hey, man, it's cool, I'm nothiding nothing, especially in
this day.
Or hey, if you're waving, heywaving.
And they go, oh, this personneeds something.
That's a universal sign.

(44:14):
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I have a theory about that.
It's kind of yeah, and not toget my tinfoil hat.
I know we have about 15 minutesleft on the show.
I don't want to get too fardown this rabbit hole.
However, you know it's funny.
I was talking to my girlfriendthe other day and you know she's
such a cool chick.
Like she and I, we talk aboutconspiracies and stuff all the
time and sometimes we even justmake some conspiracies of our

(46:27):
own, because why not?
I mean anyone can just be aconspiracy theory, because
really all that means is youjust have a theory.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Exactly that's all it is.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
There's a negative connotation with it, I think
that there are many things thatgive gold value.
But think about it.
What really gives gold value?
Think about gold.
What does gold do?
Right, imagine you're in atimes of antiquity.
Okay, and I swear this is goingsomewhere, matt.
Okay, you have this gold thatis very malleable, that doesn't

(46:59):
rust or harm your skin, right,and it can't corrode, right.
So that, alone in nature, is areally odd thing to think about.
So people began oh, we're goingto put this on our body, we're
going to make jewelry with it,we're going to wear it.
And then eventually, goldbecame a sign of wealth, because
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(47:22):
just automatically associatewealth with gold.
But I think it goes a stepfurther than that and it's crazy
.
Bruno and I were talking about.
It is like I think that gold isso important as an industrial
metal.
It's true.
I think that gold is, is goingto be super essential for space
travel.
We will not be able to travelthrough space without gold and

(47:44):
eventually, once that, once thatship leaves, imagine that you
have to send so many things outin space, and they have to.
You know these circuitry andthings that the stuff operates
off of.
All of these circuits have tobe gilded Because copper will

(48:04):
corrode.
You know there's so many metalsthat while they are conductive
for electricity, they willcorrode.
You know there's so many metalsthat while they are conductive
for electricity, they willcorrode.
And gold is an excellentconductor and it doesn't corrode
.
A piece of gold could floataround in space forever and
never corrode.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Well, that that's the main point and that's why they
use it in semiconductors, cellphones, microprocessors, um,
they use it in spaceships, likethe, the foil for, like the
solar stuff, I mean it's becauseit's non-corrosive, it's, it's
a decent conductor, not the bestconductor, decent enough to be

(48:41):
used.
Um, it doesn't hold heat, itdissipates heat gold is an
amazing material for industrialapplication.
Have you seen those videoswhere they're farming the gold
out of old electronics?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
People are making gold bars out of all this stuff,
man.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Did you know that there's only enough gold on the
entire planet discovered andundiscovered to fill up one
Olympic-sized swimming pool?
I believe it.
And we're talking about all thegold that exists on earth
that's been found and not found.
We're talking even the stuffthat's still buried, that's
still out there.
Okay, sure, could there be somenatural gold nugget in the

(49:17):
earth somewhere.
That's huge maybe, but it ain't.
It's in the ground right, so wehave to factor that in too.
We're talking about sunkenspanish gold, you name it, gold
that's out in space.
All the gold that's beenharvested off earth that exists
will only fill up an olympicsize swimming pool.
So gold is a precious materialthat is finite and will be

(49:39):
required for space travel.
I agree, ask musk, he'll tellyou this.
I would agree with.
I'm not a scientist, but youknow, I mean I dabble.
I love talking about that kindof stuff because it's
interesting.
It's an interesting thoughtexperiment to discuss these
things matt and bruno and I weretalking about and she's.
She was like okay, okay youknow she's always skeptical.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
You're starting to change the mind she's always
skeptical.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I'm corrupting her like one wicked conspiracy at a
time.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
All right, all right, so cool.
So, before we got went down therabbit hole of conspiracy, we
need to finish up the show withwhat the listeners came to
listen to, which was buying yourfirst gun.
You've decided to purchase yourfirst gun.
We're going to assume that youhave done your due diligence.
You've made, you've decided onwhich caliber you'd like.

(50:34):
Now we have to figure out whatthe purpose of the firearm.
What are you going to be doingwith it?
Is it for personal self-defense?
Is it going to be for carry?
Is it going to stay at yourhouse?
Is it going to be in the drawernightstand?
Is it a handgun?
Is it going to stay at yourhouse?
Is it going to be in the drawernightstand?
Is it a handgun?
Is it a rifle?
What are you going to be doingwith it?
That's probably the second mostimportant thing is, like the

(50:54):
purpose.
Like what are we going to useit for?
Most people, you know, very fewpeople carry, even though we
have a very large amount offirearms out in the world.
In the US, the majority ofpeople don't carry.
So you have to.
We're going to assume that it'sfor home home defense, right,
yeah?
So what would you recommend?

(51:16):
What would?
If eric was sitting behind thecounter and somebody came in and
said, hey, I'm looking topurchase a gun for home defense,
somebody breaks into my house.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
This is what I want okay well, you know it's funny
with the show and tell we showedoff the police trade-in shotgun
.
I bought that shot.
I mean, look, I don't need anymore shotguns.
Okay, I didn't buy the shotgunbecause I needed it.
I bought it because I wanted touse it as a driving force of
discussing exactly what we'rediscussing.
So it's interesting that itfound its way into this episode.

(51:49):
Shotguns are indispensablyuseful, but there are and again,
I've made some videos on thissubject before.
If you want to check out, justgo to my YouTube channel, irac
Veteran 8888, and type inshotgun and pull up all kinds of
shotgun videos.
We love shotguns on the channel.
So I've gone into a lot ofdetail and a big long expose on
this and some other videos.
But I'll just quickly elaborate.

(52:10):
Shotguns deliver a verygenerous payload, so they are
very multifunctional tools.
Slug is like basically just abig chunk of lead Okay, big lead
projectile.
Buckshot is slightly smallerchunks of lead, but still quite

(52:30):
a bit of it.
And then birdshot is like ittybitty little BBs, like a bunch
of tiny little chunks of lead.
That's the most basic way toput it.
Birdshot is for shooting birdsand fowl out of the sky.
Buckshot is for shootingslightly larger animals, but
still animals.
And then slugs are for when youjust need to put a giant

(52:51):
freaking hole in something.
Yep, there you go.
But shotguns are a very usefultool.
They even have beanbag rounds.
They have less than lethalrounds, that's an option.
Uh, now those.
I've been shot with one ofthose beanbags before and I'll
tell you it hurts.
It is not pleasant.
Uh, it's a world of pain.
It is a world of pain.
I promise you're going to bevery dissuaded, whatever you are

(53:12):
doing.
You're not going to do itanymore, I promise you.
So shotguns offer a lot, butthey do have limitations.
One reason I would recommend ashotgun is because if you're
only going to have a gun in thehouse and you're only worried
about a home intruder orsomething, and you're not going
to carry a gun out in public,you're not going to carry your
gun in your vehicle.
You don't need a compact gunthat you're going to carry
everywhere.

(53:32):
Maybe you don't want a riflebecause you're worried about
overpenetration.
You don't need something that'sgoing to shoot a long way or
have a, let's just say, agreater risk of collateral
damage if you miss the target,like a rifle might, compared to
a shotgun, whereby a shotgun isgoing to stop in a few walls
versus some rifle rounds can.
It could over penetrate,depending on the design of the

(53:53):
round, the caliber etc.
That sort of thing.
A shotgun, while it does have agenerous payload and a lot of
power shot for shot matt, thething that that is one slight
detriment to a shotgun is thatyou have limited shots.
Okay, so it holds less roundsthan something like a pistol,
which most modern handguns hold.
15 to 18 shots is about thenormal uh capacity.

(54:17):
You're going to see.
It's just a average magazinecapacity anywhere from well,
these days, anywhere from.
You know 15 to 21 shots.
I think the new berettas nowhold 20 shots yeah, it's crazy
man, yeah you get three morerounds in the m9 now, which is
great, uh, so you're gonna havean instant one third, two thirds
reduction in capacity goingfrom a handgun to a shotgun.

(54:38):
But for every round you fire inthe shotgun, the payload and
destructive power is that muchgreater.
Okay, lots of power.
Uh, and there are a lot ofdifferent defensive shotgun
loads which we won't get intothat.
I have a whole video on shotgunloads.
Check it out if you want tolearn.
I got you.
Okay, I'm your teacher, I'myour sensei.
I got you.

(54:58):
Check that video out.
I'll put a link in thedescription box below.
You're going to school?
Okay, take the time, digest theinformation, you'll understand
exactly what I'm talking about.
I think shotguns are veryuseful.
Um, I'd recommend a shotgun.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
You know, as a great home defense tool, good buckshot
round.
I think shotguns are a greatchoice for home defense.
You don't get the based off of.
I've seen that uh shotgun.
I've seen all your shotgunvideos.
You did some extensive tests onpenetration, over penetration,
under penetration.
There's a lot of stuff, somegreat content and I would agree

(55:37):
shotguns are great.
Listen to this.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Gives you goosebumps.
That's a trope that getsoverused.
Oh, if you just rack theshotgun, they'll run away.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
No, don't do that and don't stand at the top of the
stairs when you do it.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
But there is something universally cruel
about the sound of a shotgunracking.
It gives you goosebumps, man.
I mean if you hear that sound,you know if there's something
that says 12 on it, no matterwhat's coming out of that barrel
, it's not going to be pleasant.
You don't want to be in frontof that and you can't hide

(56:13):
behind anything like it's gonnaget you.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
I like the bernieke black magic slug, of course you
do.
That's my jam.
I will go and for myrecommendation.
You know, and the and theviewers and listeners know, my
stance on pccs.
I don't like pCs.
I think they are.
There's not really a place forthem, except for in this
particular instance.
Pccs make a great home defenseoption.

(56:35):
One you're working in hallways,you're working in very tight
quarters, so you're taking thatsame compactness, giving it to,
whether they're a small framedperson, whether a man or female,
you're getting some goodcapacity.
You can go.
Many pccs are running 30 roundsof nine mil, so you're not

(56:56):
getting that over penetration.
You can get that if you run, um, you know, frag, uh, hollow
points, or frangibles,frangibles.
You know it's a great option aswell.
You don't have to worry aboutyour neighbors.
Well, you do remember rulewhat's beyond your target like
remember that stuff, but alittle bit less of an issue, um.

(57:17):
So to me a pcc is a greatoption, um, they are easy to
shoot, but it takes somethinglike people don't understand.
Shooting a handgun is somewhatdifficult if you don't train.
It is very hard to, especiallyunder duress, under stress, to
line those sights up, even withthe red dot, to get that same

(57:38):
presentation if you're shootingdown the hallway, if you're
shooting downstairs, upstairs,whatever it may be.
Having a stock or a bracereally makes it easier.
You get a longer sight pictureand I've never seen someone
shoot worse with a pcc than ahandgun.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
I've never seen it, never seen, and I tell you one
thing about shotguns as well isI promise you that with a
shotgun there are not going tobe any clean riches in your
house.
Okay, someone is going toabsolutely crap their pants if
you produce a shotgun.
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That's okay, damn, uh.
So anything to add before weleave for today?

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
no man, I think we, I think it was some great
information.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
If, if the listeners and viewers haven't figured out
you know what the best way topurchase a firearm is, after
that, we can't help you guysLike again y'all check out all
the reference material that Imentioned in today's video,
everything from the shotguncolor codes and shotgun rounds
to, you know, different homedefense options that I've

(01:02:29):
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I've got a bunch of content.
We'll try to compile thosevideos, put them in one
convenient place for you.
You want to check them out?
Go further down the rabbit hole.
Go check out those videos andlearn more, if you need to.
Thank y'all so much.
Look, there are so many morevideos that we have to make.
The studio is coming alongy'all and we're about to set up

(01:02:50):
some different sets, like sothere's kind of the little set
I'm in, the little set that mattis in, but we have a bigger
room here and we're gonna beexpanding.
We're gonna, you know, havesome different sets, maybe a
nice comfy couch, a few otherareas where we can have some
guests in and uh I really likewhere this is going.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Who knows, maybe we'll start running some like
we'll make some little episodic,little skits and stuff man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
We might have to.
We get enough people.
We may have to get crazy, butwe are looking for some guests
to bring into the fold soon.
So let us know, send us anemail or comment.
If you're on here on YouTube,go ahead and just comment if you
want.
Let me know what kind of guestsyou'd like to see and I'll do
my best to get some awesomeguests.
I know I think we're going toend up having Kyle Zeperman come

(01:03:34):
in and hang out with us.
He's one of the defendableswhat am I trying to say?
One of the FBI whistleblowers.
He's one of the guys that blewthe whistle.
Some of the FBI whistleblowers?
Okay, uh, he's one of the guysthat blew the whistles and the
stuff going on with the FBI, buthe's a really good guy and, uh,
they, they did a lot to reallysupport each other.

(01:03:55):
So we probably ended up havingKyle on the show and, uh, I know
we've got access to a lot ofcool people and we know a lot of
folks, but let me know ifthere's somebody you'd like to
see, we'll invite him down andwe'll try to make it happen in
the future.
So, thank you all so much.
Many more episodes on the way.
Look, have yourselves a greatweek, and we will see y'all next
Monday, matt, bye everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
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