LLP #115: What If... You Can Only Have 5 Guns?

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What if you could only have five guns? It's the ultimate thought experiment for firearm enthusiasts that forces us to prioritize function over collection. In this deep-dive episode, Eric and Matt tackle this challenging scenario with practical wisdom gained from years of shooting experience.

The AR-15 quickly emerges as the unanimous first choice, praised for its versatility, parts availability, and sheer practicality in almost any scenario. "I would never want to be caught dead without a rifle," Matt explains, highlighting why this platform forms the foundation of any essential collection.

The hosts engage in passionate debate about the merits of various handguns for the second slot, with the Glock 19X receiving high praise for reliability while custom options from Zev and Sig offer enhanced performance features. Their show-and-tell segments bring these discussions to life as they handle and compare their personal favorites.

When the conversation shifts to shotguns, both agree on their devastating effectiveness. "You don't have to be a surgeon to use it," Matt notes about the Benelli platforms they favor. Their discussion reveals fascinating insights about different shotgun configurations, ammunition types, and tactical applications that even experienced shooters will find valuable.

The episode balances practical considerations with philosophical discussions about firearms rights. "The Second Amendment is about options," Eric reminds listeners, pushing back against those who question the need for certain types of firearms in private collections. Throughout the conversation, their expertise shines through whether discussing the subtle differences between hunting rifles and battle rifles or debating the merits of suppressed rimfire options versus pistol caliber carbines.

What would make your top five list? Join the conversation and share your essential firearms choices with Eric and Matt!

YouTube Video Links:
How to Choose Your First Handgun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgm9Izl6u98

Perfect Pairs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO1H9oKgjL4

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt here withLLP, and I hope you've all had
a great week.
You're home for everythingnormal in a world of craziness,
debauchery, ugliness anddownright sin Guns.
Welcome back, heck.
Yeah, llp is back, baby, and weare rolling Today we are going

(00:36):
to be discussing All right, whenyou're thinking about this
subject, this is a really coolone for us to just dive into the
weeds on.
We got a whole hour to discussthis Kind of a long form Five
Gun guns video, if you will.
However, not quite so much.
But what if you could only havefive guns?
You are limited to five.
You can only have five.

(00:56):
What would you choose?
Why?
What would be the thoughtprocess for why you chose those
five?
I've done some similar videosto this in the past, like maybe
um, you know, in more short form, but this is really more of a
just a long form discussion andlike we'll really dive in the
weeds about these choices whyyou would choose these five.

(01:16):
What you?
What would you need five for?
I know there's probably a lotof Europeans and people around
the world that might be, youknow, listening to this podcast
or watching me and thinking, wow, why would you even need five
to begin.
Some people may think that fiveis a lot, but most Americans
own a scary statistic.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
If you're European, but it's like a seven to one
ratio of guns to people inAmerica.
So for every one person thereare seven guns right, something
like that.

(01:55):
But then there's the outliersCause there's people that own a
lot more than others Right, andthere's some that own none
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
You know, from the standpoint of this being a
talking point, if you could onlyown five, I mean, how would you
begin to decide what that fivewould be?
Well, I think the first obviousthing to think about is a
purpose.
You know, a firearm.
If you're only going to have asmall amount of firearms, they
need to be purpose driven.

(02:22):
So purpose is definitelysomething to consider.
Well, what kind of purposeswould we be talking about?
Well, everyone's purposes aregoing to be a little bit
different.
Obviously, there might besomeone that all they like to do
is shoot small bore 22s, andthat's all they want to do is
maybe shoot air rifles.
So maybe they want five airguns or 522s.

(02:43):
But for the purposes of thispodcast today and today's
presentation, I'm going toreally just approach this from
my own personal view.
You can choose to agree with meor not, all the people listening
, but I'm going to really justlook at this under the light of
my personal needs.
But I'll acknowledge thateveryone's needs are going to be
a little bit different in termsof what they want, and that

(03:05):
might depend on where you live,maybe the laws and the state you
live in, or maybe limitationsof where you can and can't shoot
the type of things you do.
Maybe you hunt, maybe you don't, maybe you have more of a worry
of being robbed or looted oryou know broken into, et cetera,
so on and so forth, and we'lltalk about some of those factors
that would you know broken into, et cetera, so on and so forth.
And we'll talk about some ofthose factors that would you

(03:28):
know kind of decide, like whattype of gun that you would want
to get.
And I think maybe it's justimportant to kind of Matt break
it down in terms of you knowwhat the most basic intrinsic
needs for a firearm would be forthe widest group of people,
what would apply to everyone themost, and you know I have an
idea, but I want to know whatyou think what?

(03:50):
what do you think most people?
Okay, your opinion, just we'rejust floating this opinion here.
What do you think most people?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
100.
No, you know, there is no doubtan ar-15 okay 100 because it's
so versatile.
That would be my number onechoice if you said hey, matt,
what is the most importantweapon out of your five?
An ar-15.
And I say that because it'sextremely versatile.

(04:24):
You can go I mean, if it was me, up to me, 10 and a half inch
barrel, um, you have.
It's long enough to get workingout to about 300, 400.
I'm confident that I can hitsomething at 300, 400 with a 10
and a half inch barrel umcapacity round.
It's easy to shoot.
I mean five, five, six, two orslash two, two, three.

(04:44):
It's easy to shoot.
I mean five, five, six, two orslash two, two, three.
Super easy to shoot Like men,women, children, not a problem.
Um, you know, light recoilimpulse ammo is plentiful.
It's, you know, in the U S, soNATO based um inexpensive.
You can get a really good AR 15for not too much money and I

(05:07):
know, understand that you knownot a lot of money.
That term is relative to eachperson, but you can get a good
AR 15 for not a lot of money.
Um, and that's just a fact thatthey're very versatile in how
you can assemble them.
Lots of parts available, lots ofupgrades available.

(05:27):
They're very modular.
Let's say you want to change itout, you have lots of options
on uppers and lowers, and if youwant to reach out to a little
bit longer distance, you can geta longer barrel, longer upper.
If you, for some odd reason,want to go shorter, those
options are available as well.
But that's why I chose that asmy number one and that and I'm

(05:49):
extremely comfortable shootingit.
We were like we grew up like inthe military.
I guess you put an ar in myhands and it's like an extension
of my body, like just the waythat you move with it.
You understand like the balanceof it, where it needs to go
when you're moving.
But yeah, that's my.
That would be my choice.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I think that's a fantastic choice and I would say
that, you know, if I had to say, well, what if someone let's
just let's dumb this down tobeing that, what if it could
just be one gun, what would beyour first choice?
That would be my first choice.
I would never want to be caughtdead without a rifle.
That's right, and and definitely, uh, you know, I'd want an auto
loading rifle.
Uh, you know, like an AR,something you know holds a

(06:32):
decent amount of shots and Ihave quick magazine uh, change
capacity, you know, and um, goodparts support and parts
availability and ammoavailability All of those things
are definitely achievable withAR and that's why it is such a
popular gun, because of its costand modularity and ease of use,

(06:53):
and it is definitely a gun thatis very easy to use for a wide
set of people.
It may have some limitations inhow it can be used in personal
defense in the home, you know,okay, are you going to carry an
AR on your used in personaldefense in the home?
You know, okay, are you goingto carry an ar on your hip to
walk around in the grocery store?
Probably not.
So there are some limitations.
There's no such thing as a freelunch anywhere in this equation

(07:15):
, but I think that ar isdefinitely I think logically
must be on that list, if not thetop of the list.
Now, when I do five guns videos,these guns are not necessarily
always in order per se.
In the situation of what we'rediscussing here, let's just say
maybe they are.
Let's say that the first choiceis going to be our most

(07:35):
important choice and then wewill go down the rabbit hole to
the least important.
So we're going to go slightlyoff the standard protocol for
five guns video and we are goingto put these in order of
importance.
Okay, so I think that, uh, incelebration of of what he

(07:56):
mentioned, yes, I think the ARis definitely something you
don't want to get caught without, and the prices on them have
been very reasonable.
Um, you know companies likepalmetto state armory uh, you
know they've done a pretty goodjob of of making a very
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So we're going to go on to thenext gun and I'll sort of take
over on this one.
So, matt, you know he wascompletely correct when he

(11:20):
mentioned the AR-15, becausegosh who doesn't love a good AR?
And it's just crazy Like the ARis so useful and so universally
useful that it is logicallyalways going to be the first
thing that most people mention.
You know, I would say, allright, in terms of the purpose

(11:41):
of what you're looking to use agun for or anything like that, I
think I'm kind of torn betweentwo and I, and this is going to
be hard.
This is a hard decision becausewe are going in order of
importance.
Okay, so you've gotten your.
AR.
What should be the next thingthat you get?
I mean, I would argue probablysome sort of a handgun.
Uh would be in the number twoslot.

(12:02):
It may not necessarily be whatI would want.
I would prefer, probably, tohave a shotgun in number two.
That's just me, but I'm kind ofa homebody, you know, I'm home
more often, I'm kind of a hermit, I don't really leave the house
that much.
So it's like, yeah, I wouldprefer another tool to defend
the home with versus, you know,and I and I would find a shotgun
more useful than a handgun.

(12:23):
But if you're going out inpublic and you're going about
your business and you're goingabout your daily life and you
want to carry concealed or open,most people choose to carry
concealed.
But let's just say, howeveryou're going to carry, if you're
wanting to carry a gun on yourperson wherever you go,
obviously a handgun is going tobe very important.
For the number two slot.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Now there's a lot of different choices, of course.
I've done entire 30 minute, 40minute episodes where I'll talk
nothing more than about, likehandgun selection, like what
type of handgun you shouldchoose and some of the different
action types and things.
So there is a myriad ofdifferent options I mean
hundreds, if not thousands, ofdifferent options for you to
choose from when it comes to apotential carry gun.

(13:07):
So I'm not going to try tonecessarily dial those down and
give you all the specifics herein this particular podcast, but
I'll tell you what my choicewould be.
If I could only have onehandgun, it'd probably be the
Glock 19X.
Just because you know Iactually have one right here, I
can grab it, the Glock 19X.
Just because you know Iactually have one right here, I
can grab it.
The Glock 19X, because thisparticular gun is.

(13:32):
It's fantastic, I love thispistol and I think that if I
could only have one handgun, myvote would definitely go to the
Glock 19X.
And again, are there guns thatI'd like to shoot more than this
?
There are, there definitely are.
Is this the my favorite gun toshoot?
Like in terms of just astrictly shooting pleasure, like

(13:55):
going out and just enjoying the, the, the, the act of going out
and shooting.
No, I'd rather have a singleaction.
You know 1911, or you knowmaybe a nice Smith and Wesson
revolver, like there's a lot ofthings.
I'd rather just go out andshoot for the pure pleasure of
going out to shoot, maybe even anice rimfire pistol with a
suppressor, which we'll get intothat in a moment.

(14:15):
But if I could only have onepistol, it would be this pistol.
Um, it's accurate, it'sreliable, it's got a great
trigger, it holds a decentamount of ammo you can take.
You know all of your 33 roundmags.
So if you have a PCC and ninemillimeter that takes clock
magazines, now you have a hostgun that can take the same
magazines.
Of course, I've done a videocalled perfect pairs where I

(14:39):
talk about combinations ofpistol and PCC that go well
together.
If you haven't seen that video,you should definitely check it
out.
It's very informative.
Okay, but that would be my vote.
Sorry about that.
I probably popped the mic there, but that would be my vote.
Would be for the Glock 19X.
I think this is one of Glock'sbest pistols.
They really have done afantastic job with this gun and,

(15:04):
basically, if it looks a littledifferent than what you
normally see in a Glock.
It's because it is it's kind ofthe mullet gun right.
It's big in the rear and it'stiny up front.
So you've got essentially a 19slide on a 17 frame, so you get
a full-size grip.
You know full-size capacity.
You know the grip is all thesame, but just with a shorter

(15:26):
slide.
And there's something aboutthis combination, especially
that this 19X has night sightsfrom the factory.
For what this gun costs, Ithink it's a good value.
And this is a non-cut modelthey do have.
I believe they're making a 19Xnow that has RMR cut on it.
I personally am not real big onred dots on handguns.
However, it is a fantasticpistol.

(15:47):
So the number two slot for mewould be occupied by the Glock
19X, and that's a big vote forGlock on me.
Now I do have a SIG M17.
It's actually right here.
Right here, I do have an m17.
This one's in my battle belt soit might actually be hot.

(16:10):
Yeah, it is okay.
And uh, look, I like the m17.
This is a fantastic gun.
This one has the wilson combatgrip module that's a good
looking gun right there.
It's a fantastic pistol and andlook, this is the one that's on
my battle belt.
So I have my my 17 uh m17 sigon my battle belt.
I could just as easily have my19x on the battle belt.

(16:32):
I love both these pistols, soI'd be happy with either one,
but I would say if I could onlychoose one, I would still
probably still prefer the 19x.
I shoot this gun better thanthe glock, but anyway I mean it.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
It stands for something, for reliability, and
I'm not saying sig is not, is anon-reliable gun.
But glock does have areputation for just eating
everything.
You know.
Like it'll, it'll eat, it'll go.
Uh, you don't have anything toworry about there.
Um, I think that's a very wisechoice.
I think it's a great choice.
It makes a lot of sense ifyou're just looking at it from a

(17:09):
common sense standpoint.
Um, you know, I would agreewith you.
I, yeah, let's do some show andtell and I, all right, glock
based, so it's, it's a zev oc,oz9c compact.
Unlike eric, I am a huge fan ofred dots on firearms.

(17:34):
Um, I love it.
Um, this particular gun uh,again, glock based, it's just
modified.
Uh comes with the fiber opticsights.
It was cut from the factory sowe just dropped the.
The hollow sun on there.
Flared magwell.
So when you start getting intothis gun these types of guns

(17:54):
like it just makes it morecomfortable, you get a much
better grip on the firearm.
That flared magwell is twofoldone, it makes it easier to put
the mag in, but two, it givesyou a much better grip on that
handle when you get a goodpurchase on it boom, slide, cut
serrations, lightning cuts we'regoing to use that term, you

(18:17):
know, in quotes.
I don't know how much lighterit actually makes it, but that's
what they're referred to.
Makes it, but that's whatthey're referred to.
But most importantly is ittakes Glock mags so they're
interchangeable, but also it'sGlock based, so the grip is
going to be very similar.
Now the main difference is whatI like about this, as my second
choice, along with you, is thechassis system, very similar to

(18:41):
SIG.
If you don't, you can go up anddown in sizes.
They have different sizes ofthe frame.
The firearm is actually inside.
You take it out, drop it in.
You can get different sizedframes.
If you want a longer frame, ifyou want a larger frame, a
larger handle, you can do allthat good stuff.
So it's very versatile.

(19:03):
It is the AR of handguns.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
You know what's really interesting about that
pistol.
In my opinion, one of thecoolest features about the
pistols that's kind of uniqueYep Is that the barrel has a
left-hand twist.
The bullets rotate in theopposite direction of what they
normally would, so it has aleft-hand twist.
It is so it has a left-handtwist.
It is interesting.
It's a left-hand twist.

(19:27):
It is interesting.
The rifling moves to the left,not the right.
Yep Weirdest thing.
But it shoots great.
I love that gun.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
I love it.
It shoots very well.
Never had any issues out of it.
Never had any stoppages.
It's great.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
It's stoppages, it's, it's great, it's a great gun.
Since we're doing show and tell, all right, I've got another
piece to show off, all right.
Now, this is one I set asidejust for the purposes of having
a show and tell moment.
Uh, this is a smith and wessonmodel 29 dx.
I did some horse trading withchad and, uh, I wound up.
That's a beautiful gun, butthis is a 44 magnum, uh, with an
eight inch barrel.
Okay, so, uh, everything onthis is good to go.
We got a nice blued finish.
And this is a 44 magnum, uh,with an eight inch barrel.
Okay.

(20:05):
So, uh, everything on this isgood to go.
We got a nice blued finish.
And this is pre-performancecenter smith and wesson.
So this is before smith andwesson had a performance center.
Uh, this is when they wouldtake a 29 off the line and go
wow, this one shot really good,like this one, grouped, way
better than a standard model,and they started to kind of put
two and two together like wait aminute, some of these guns are
coming together really fantastic.

(20:27):
So they would mark them dx,deluxe, whatever you want to
call it.
Uh, but the 29 dx is reallycool.
That's a nice 44 magnum with afull under lug.
This one has a lewapol vx2 onhere.
This one is a 4 to 28 uh, youknow, extended eye relief pistol
scope and boy, this one pitsthe ace.

(20:48):
It is a fantastic pistol.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
You know what I appreciate about that is the
full underlug.
It really and I understandthere's some vanity in this, but
it really makes the gun lookgood.
Man Like I know that thePerformance Center .44 mag 44
mag that we use, the hunter,it's a great gun, shoots the
daylight side of it, but itdoesn't have a full length

(21:12):
underlug so it just doesn'tquite do it.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
I was like god, I want it to look good, but that
gun I think that full, fullunderlug is cool too, because it
also kind of offsets some ofthe recoil.
Yep, the gun is a littleheavier, but with that underlug
I think it has an effect on theharmonics of the barrel.
So I think the barrel vibratesless.
So for one it helps with barrelharmonics, but two adds a

(21:36):
little weight up front whichkind of keeps the gun from
kicking so hard.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
And I understand why they did it on that .44 Mag
Hunter because they're assumingthat you were trying to reduce
weight.
I mean, I understand your huntdid.
Their purpose of that was like,if you're hiking through the
backcountry you usually have achest holster, which I do, but
you're trying to be as light aspossible, so they put a really
great brake on the front of it.
You got lots of extra stuff toreduce that recoil and muzzle

(22:04):
flip so they just reduced theunderlug but at the same time
it's just lipstick on a pig man.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, it can be.
It can be.
So, first, we had our AR as areally good, first logical
choice.
Second, we had a pistol, which,of course, we went off the
rails and talked about Fourdifferent handguns, but I
narrowed mine down to the Glock.
And of course course, he hasthe zev, which is a fantastic

(22:33):
glock ish type of gun, which isbasically the same thing, just
fancier kind of a bougie.
Uh, yeah, gucci glock, nothingwrong with a gucci glock.
Okay, so number three.
Uh, I'll turn it back over toyou.
So what do you think numberthree should be?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
We know, we know what number three is.
Do we Almighty shotgun?
Gotta have it.
I am a huge fan.
I am with you If I would haveprobably put a shotgun at number
two.
But I understand the importanceof the handgun at number two

(23:02):
because you're absolutely right,if I'm out walking around town,
I want're absolutely right, ifI'm out walking around town, I
want, I want a handgun.
Like I'm going it, I have it onme, it's with me, 24 seven.
I need it.
So it's almost not out ofimportance, out of necessity,
right?
Number three necessity I haveto have a shotgun in the house,
like absolutely.
You know, you don't have to bea surgeon to use it.

(23:24):
Like you just point blast dunzo, all right, whatever is left is
left, but there ain't gonna bemuch.
So you know, I would you knowand you know where I'm going
with this.
My personal favorite benelli m4.
I own it.
Uh, I like, uh the field stock.
If you guys aren't familiarwith the differences, you have

(23:45):
the pistol grip variation andyou have the field stock
variation.
Um, in the military thateverybody used pistol grips, um,
the downside to the pistol gripis that you can't, in the event
that you have to reload in anexpedited manner.
It is a little bit moredifficult to load quick.

(24:06):
You can't double load, youcan't quad load with a pistol
grip.
So that's why I like the fieldstock.
It really opens up thatworkspace so you can slide your
rounds in, get back to work.
And the Benelli M4, the gassystem in it, it's great.
I forgot what they called it Ithink it's the Argo.4, the gas
system in it, it's great.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
I forgot what they called it.
I think it's the Argo.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
The Argo gas system I mean it's a super smooth.
You can't get the capacity thatyou want with a three-inch
shell.
So you're kind of, if youreally want that full capacity,
you have to use the two andthree quarter, but other than
that you can.
I mean, it's just, it'sabsolutely devastating,

(24:48):
absolutely devastating.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
So Matt was talking about pistol grips.
This is an M3.
Okay, this is a Benelli M3.
I too am a big fan of Benellishotguns.
Now we're going to talk aboutthat in a little bit of detail
here in a moment, aboutdifferent shotguns.
So don't think that you know,this is just the first choice
because it's the best.
Well, it is the best.
I love Vanellis.
I'm being vain here, but thisis an M3, which means it's a

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convertible.
It can go from semi-automaticokay to pump.
I love it.
So this will allow you to run awide variety of different
shells.
You can run beanbag rounds lessthan lethal, low powered bird

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shot and just run it as a pump.
Or you can put it in semi modeand run whatever you want to run
slugs, buckshot, high powerbird.
This one will take three inchshells.
This is a law enforcement modelwith the full size tube and the
collapsible stock.
And the reason that stock getsso short a lot of people ask
that's because if you're wearingbody armor, okay, so for the
body armor thickness, itaccounts for that and that
allows you to still have a sightpicture wearing body armor.

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So that's why the benelli's getso short like that is to
account for the body armor.
But of course, if you're notwearing body armor, just bring
the stock out.
And now you've got a nice shortconfiguration.
You can still just shoulder onyour normal shoulder and of
course it does have multiplepositions so you can bring it
out even further.
Bring it out all the way if youwant and then have the length
of a normal field stock.

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I mainly prefer the collapsiblestock on the Benelli, primarily
because it allows me to stowthe gun and transport it a lot
easier, having a shorterconfiguration to travel around
with.
But when I deploy it I'm goingto pull the stock out.
The nice thing about a fieldstock is you don't have to worry
about that.
The gun's always ready, it'sthere and it's really not that
much longer than a collapsiblestock.

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The pistol grip does have sometactical advantage, but will I
say that it has so much tacticaladvantage that you would need
it over a standard field stock?
I would say no.
I think you know.
Even anyone with a reasonableamount of upper body strength
and a skill with a shotgun canrun any shotgun just fine.
One would argue that the pistolgrip allows you to push the gun

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forward better.
So maybe if you're shooting alock off a door, shooting off
door hinges with breachingrounds and things like that, you
know if the gun's going to buckback and kick a little bit.
It does allow you to push alittle harder if you need to.
Also, it does allow you to havea little bit better maintain,
better control over the shotgun,like if someone's trying to
take it from you or pull it awayfrom you.

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Having the pistol grip doesgive you something extra to kind
of hold on to to keep someonefrom snatching the gun out of
your hand.
Those are all minor points, butpoints that are worth talking
about.
Shotguns are useful because theydeliver a good, honest payload.
When it comes to stoppingthings in their tracks, payload
is king.

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A big, giant slug like a 1, 3,8 bernicke black magic, which is
my go-to slug.
I like it because it's big andheavy and fast.
It's got all of the uh thingsin the equation that equal a
deadly slug.
It's got heavy weight, highspeed and a hard construction.
Uh, that slug is made out of ahigh antimony, uh treated tin.

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So what they do is they takelead antimony tin and they also
they add some tin and they alsoadd linotype and what happens is
the slug because of thecombination of the alloy.
This alloy that they use itmakes the Brunel hardness of the
slug considerably hard.
So it's definitely not jacketedin terms of the hardness.

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But you're talking a slug thatcan obliterate car doors.
It can shoot through automotiveglass like it's not there.
It can shoot through multiplelayers of drywall.
It can knock out weak walls andcinder blocks.
It's a very powerful slug.
It's made for bears.
You know defending yourselfagainst bears, which of course I

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can't imagine something scarierto have to deal with.
So I do like that slug.
Now, in terms of buckshot loads, I do like the Federal Flight
Control load.
I think it's LE-132 is the partnumber on that round.
Um, I think it's a nine pelletbuckshot that's buffered, it's
lower recoil and it has theflight control wad it does.

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That's what we, that's what wewere shooting last time, and it
was very good buckshot loadreally, really, and it grouped
so tight man it does even atlike 25 yards, it was like, yeah
, golly shotguns are versatileand I think that that's what you
, you know people need to keepin the back of their minds.
With a shotgun you can runeverything from a beanbag round
to less than lethal, tobreaching rounds and powdered

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slugs that use powdered metal,compressed powdered metal.
The way that a breaching slugworks is it has compressed
powdered metal.
When it comes out, it hits hardlike a slug up close on a door
lock or a hinge or somethinglike that, or a lock, but when
it actually loses its energy anddisperses it against the
material you're shooting, itbecomes sort of a powder and it

(29:59):
just throws it everywhere and itkeeps anything from bouncing
back and hitting you.
So you can shoot a you know abreaching slug way up close.
You know a breaching slug wayup close and still knock a door
hinge off or a lock and it nothurt you, whereby if you shot it
with a you know, a bear slug,you might have some pieces of
that freaking thing coming backat you.

(30:20):
I mean, and not to say thatwould it be moving fast enough
to hurt you?
Do you want to find out?
Yeah, I don't.
So the nice thing about the m3is I could have a breacher in
the chamber and then have slugsor buckshot loaded up in the
tube and I can shoot mybreaching round, cock it, uh, in
pump mode, put it back in semiand now the round that's in the

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chamber is going to shoot themautomatically when I squeeze the
trigger.
So the m3 is a very versatilegun and, um, you guys might
remember some of you uh that maybe old enough to remember the
franchise past 12.
Uh, this past 12 has been in alot of uh movies and it's a very
famous shotgun.
Of course you know it if you'veseen it, like in jurassic park.
Um, moldering, I think, is theguy's name, the hunter Hunter,

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the Australian-talking Hunterguy that goes after the
Velociraptors.
Everyone knows that shotgunthat he grabs is a Frenchie
SPAS-12.
And it's a convertible shotgun.
It goes from pump to semi andit was not a very successful gun
.
It really was prone to breakage.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I was going to say there was some reliability, some
reliability issues with theSPAS-12.
But it's iconic and everybodyknows that.
The line clever girl like yeah,I think that jurassic park is
really what put that particulargun on the map, of course, for
at least the the our age, uh,you know, viewers, um, how can a

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spas?

Speaker 2 (31:43):
12, not look.
Oh yeah, so the m3 is kind ofthe spas 12 that works now, like
if you want something that hasthe functionality of spas 12 but
you want a modern shotgun, thenthe benelli m3 look no further.
Here it is, I think the, the.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
The preconceived notion that people have of a
shotgun rounds having such awide spread, um, is really what
deters people.
They think that you know, Ican't use this in the house it's
going to, you're going to getlike this huge, like 24 inch
pattern going down a hallwaywhen, in actuality, I think we
patterned that flight control onthe D28 and it was like at 25

(32:23):
yards it was like four inches,it was like it was a really
tight pattern and we were likewe did it specifically because
every shotgun is different.
Every shotgun's got a patterndifferently.
You, if you have a shotgun, goout there and see what that
spread is like.
And we there was my personalbenelli m4 we patterned it 25
yards.
You're talking like four or fiveinch spread, super tight and

(32:47):
the.
You can see the wadding, hitthe, hit, the, hit the plate and
we're like all right, cool man,now we know what we're working
with.
I know that I can shoot down ahallway or I can shoot down a
set of stairs and it's going tohold a four inch pattern out to
a 25.
And once you have thatconfidence, you know what you
can and can't do with a shotgun.
Now, obviously, with a slug,you don't have to worry about it

(33:09):
Now, you just have tocompensate for drop.
So you're like, all right, I'mjust going to compensate, I'm
going to angle up a little bitdepending on how far you're
shooting, and there you go.
But shotguns, man, they aresomething else.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
So we've been talking about Benelli shotguns, okay,
and look, the reality here isthat with benelli's I mean, yeah
, benelli's do represent aconsiderable investment they are
expensive.
There are a lot of shotguns outthere that you can get for less
money that are, they're verycapable.
Uh, you don't have to have anauto loading shotgun, you can
get a pump shotgun, you know,like a mossberg 500 or even

(33:47):
maverick 88 or 1301.
Yeah, 1301 are great, butthey're all solid units for the
money and very capable units.
So first we had our ar.
Second we had our pistol um,you know good handgun.
Third, we had our shotguns.
What would the number four slotbe if you could only have five?
This one's going to bedifficult Again, like I kind of

(34:09):
keep getting the swing ones thatmake it a little bit more
difficult to kind of figure out.
It's always a hard choice, butI think it's going to depend on
your individual needs.
I mean, obviously your needsare going to come into play.
If I had to associate animportance for myself, I would
say some sort of suppressedrimfire, whether it's an

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integral suppressed CZ, boltaction 22 or a suppressed 22
pistol, that would be useful.
Or even a Ruger 10-22 with asuppressor.
I've got a charger over thereon the wall.
That is a nice cute littlepackage.
You know it's got a five inchbarrel um with a suppressor.
It's a carbon fiber wrap barrel, folding brace, pistol grip,

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red dot 25 round mags.
A 22 semi automatic.
Fast you can pull the triggersuppressed, really quiet.
Use some 45 grain solids,you're off to the races.
I think a gun like that is veryuseful because 22 is cheaper to
train with.
It's cheaper to shoot.
Um, it's a much better optionfor just overall plinking and

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things like that, plinkingapplications.
Um, it can be used to takesmall game.
It can be used to take largergame if you're really a good
shot and you're close enough.
Okay.
So 22s have a lot of tacticalapplications as well as
practical applications, and youknow whereby.
I've considered making my numberfour slot like a hunting rifle

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or maybe a 308 autoloader orsomething or six five Creedmoor
autoloader, something like that.
I feel like if I needed toshoot a deer or a hog or some
type of game to survive, I coulddo that with my AR.
You know I've already got theAR, so that can double as a
hunting rifle for me.
Now would 5.56 be my firstchoice for going hunting for the

(36:00):
most ethical kill that I couldget?
Probably not, especially ondeer and hog.
But the thing is, if you'retalking survival, you don't have
to have a specialized huntingrifle, you can just use your AR.
I mean, an AR is going to killa hog, it's going to kill a deer
, it's going to kill you know awide variety of different game.
If that's something you need todo and if you use the right

(36:20):
bullet, you might even be ableto get away with some small game
.
But again, if it's a small gameyou need.
That's what you have the 22 for.
So I think that the 22 isprobably a more important stop
gap for the would-be preppersurvivalist you know someone who
has that kind of mindset thatmight be a more useful tool than
even a hunting rifle,especially a loud hunting rifle

(36:43):
that you know doesn't have asuppressor.
Sure, you could have anunsuppressed .308, which I'm
about to show you, a nice one ina minute.
Have a suppressor.
Sure you could have anunsuppressed 308, which I'm
about to show you a nice one ina minute.
Um, but the point is, I feellike really a suppressed 22 is
probably more useful tool than a, than a full-size battle rifle,
I would say I would.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
I would agree I would .
Uh, a 22 rimfire wouldn't be myfourth choice, but I can see
why it would be somebody'sfourth choice.
They're very versatile,especially if they're suppressed
.
You can take some medium-sizedgame with a .22.
With proper shot placement,ammo is plentiful.

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Most importantly, you canstockpile and carry a lot of 22
ammo.
It doesn't like, can youimagine trying to cart, um, you
know, 556 or 308 ammo around,like it's extremely heavy, as as
two guys that carried, as twoguys that carried you know,

(37:42):
multiple cases of 556 around aforeign country.
It's definitely hard if youdon't have motorized vehicles
that do it for you.
Um, great, 22 is a great option.
It's fun to shoot if you justwant to go out and plink, of
course, um, but again, not myfourth choice what's your fourth

(38:04):
?
choice.
My fourth choice,unconventional as it may be,
would probably be like a Henrylever action in 9mm.
Just because it kind of works,with that perfect pair option I
can extend the range of my sameammo.

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I can say hey, I have a handgunthat shoots nine mil.
I can use a henry if I need togo and shoot some small,
medium-sized game.
I know with confidence thatwith that 16 inch barrel with
nine mil, I can put somethingout at a farther distance you
mean the homesteader, the semauto, correct with the.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
well, yeah, they make a gun called the homesteader,
the Sim Auto, correct, yeah,they make a gun called the
Homesteader.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yes, yes, with a magazine, it is magazine fed,
correct.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I was trying to think .
I don't know if they make a 9mmlever action, that might be
something they need to do though.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
I know they make a .44 and a .357 as well.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, pof makes a 9mm lever action.
Yes, yes, they do yeah, andthat might be the one we were
thinking of, because I think,what is it called the patriot?

Speaker 3 (39:10):
well, there's also like a bighorn, a bighorn that
does nine mil as well, bighornmakes a 500 smith and wesson
lever action.
It's a beast man and it looksreally good too, but in general
maybe it wasn't a henry, maybeit was a lever action 9mm.
But I like the lever actionsjust because the simplicity they

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work.
I mean, the action itself isactually kind of complicated if
you have to take it apart, butthey don't really fail that
often and I like the fact that Ican share ammo Okay.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, so I actually had not even really even
considered a PCC, which,honestly, I think if I'm running
an AR with a 10 and a half inchbarrel, I'm not sure I have a
lot of use for a nine millimeterPCC at that point, cause unless
I were just to replace thehandgun altogether with a PCC,
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So number five slot that's yourturn.
What would be the last one?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
So I know that you mentioned that you wouldn't take
a hunting rifle, but I would.
I want something with somestopping power, and when I say
stopping power I mean some majorstopping power.
So I would probably go with anM 77 mark two, just cause I'm

(41:39):
familiar with it.
Great hunting rifle, 30 yachtsix.
I've taken many a deer withthat you have.
Yeah, man, it was absolutelyridiculous, but I like the fact
that you know it's.
It's larger caliber, 30 yachtsix.
You can find ammo.
It's plent.
Ammo is plentiful.
Um, it puts deer down.

(42:02):
It'll put anything down innorth america, I'll tell you
that right now.
Extremely accurate for what itis Understanding.
It's not a freaking six arc ora six five Creedmoor.
It's not designed for that, butfor the distances that you're
shooting and the game thatyou're shooting it at.
Man, it gets the job done.
It's light, like you're not,you don't have to worry about

(42:25):
this and I know everybody likeslike these wood stocks.
They look amazing, but this isa synthetic boat tail.
It probably weighs like threepounds man, super light.
But like you said, eric,there's no free lunch in physics
.
With that lightness does comethe drawback of it.
It has a pretty hefty recoilimpulse.
So if you're not holding on toit it's going to get you.

(42:48):
But overall that's what Iwouldn't want.
I want something that you knowcan take any size game that I
want, up to an includingtwo-legged game, you're good oh
yeah, that's a great gun.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I I love the m77 mark ii and I I'm always gonna have
my name in the hat for an M77Mark II all-weather.
That's my favorite Ruger rifle.
I had a large collection ofthem.
I did part with some of them.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
One of them was to me .

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, I did part with some of them.
I only have one left.
The one that I have now is a9.3x62.
See it right there?
The blued finish is right therebeside you.
You can grab it if you want.
It's right there.
It's a 9.3 by 62.
So that's one that I decided tokeep.
So Matt has the one in 30 altsix and I kept the one in 9.3 by
62.
All right, so that's what?

(43:38):
So this one has a blued finishon it and everything.
So, and that's fine, it's not astainless model, but it's great
.
I love that gun and it's got aridiculous amount of power.
Oh yeah, it's extremely,extremely light.
Yeah, here in my hands I have aRemington Mohawk Model 600.

(44:00):
This is actually the gun thatcame before the Remington 700.
So this one, if you look, lookat it, actually looks like a
miniature p17 action in a waylike maybe not the bridge, but
the bolt has that forward sweepkind of like a p17.
Um sorry, which is cool.
This one has a boyd's laminate,um, replacement stock and, uh,

(44:24):
this is a very useful gun.
Um, you know, it's a 308, soit's a bolt-action .308 with,
you know, no suppressor, no bullcrap, which there is enough
meat on this barrel I couldthread it.
I thought about throwing a canon it.
But this is a fantastic littlegun, like kind of a nice little
scout rifle.
This particular one has a 1.5to 4 VX Freedom, just a basic

(44:46):
Leupold on it, and it'sgreat.
This gun is a perfectly capablefood plot rifle, hunting rifle,
stalking rifle.
It's light enough to be able tokind of carry around real easy,
nice light little rifle.
Still fires a reasonable, youknow, power round in .308 with a
16-inch barrel.
It's short and handy, easy tohandle.

(45:06):
08 with a 16 inch barrel it'sshort and handy, easy to handle.
Um, now, what would my numberfive be.
I think that something thatcould maybe double as a more
powerful hunting rifle, but alsoas a battle rifle, would
probably be more of my firstchoice.
I mean, is that to say that ifI were going, uh, specifically
just to hunt, right, I'm goingout to go hunting and do my

(45:27):
thing and go engage in the funof hunting?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I'd rather have a nice hunting rifle.
I mean because why would I needto carry around a SCAR heavy or
an AR-10 just to go hunt deerwhen I can have something like
this?
It's just handier, you know,easier to carry around.
So I can appreciate thehandling characteristics of a
hunting rifle like this and Icertainly do like that.
But I think that my number fiveslot would have to be something

(45:55):
like a scar heavy um or sometype of a 308 or 65 Creedmoor
auto loader Um.
But again, that that can be adetriment.
It's a heavier gun to carryaround, it's it's it's more
cumbersome to carry.
Um, you know you have to keepup with extra mags, maybe a few
extra parts.
So that may not be practical tosome people.

(46:16):
Maybe they don't want to haveto draw attention to themselves
or something like that.
If you're just going about yourbusiness on your property with
a hunting rifle and someonecomes upon you and let's just
say it's a crap situation orsomething like that, you know
people are probably going tofeel more.
It's going to be more normalfor someone to see someone
walking around with a huntingrifle than it is, you know, a
battle rifle.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah somebody pops out of a, side by side with a
with a scar you're like, and youknow they mean business.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
So if you, if you kind of want to be ready, but
but not necessarily look likeyou mean business, sometimes a
hunting rifle can just be lessthreatening, it's true, and that
might be a more useful tactic,depending on the situation that
you might find yourself in.
And you know you, if you gostepping out of a quad or, uh,
out of your home with a scarheavy, someone's going to think,

(47:02):
well, this person's looking fortrouble versus you know, hey, I
just heard a bump in the nightand I'm coming to investigate my
trusty hunting rifle.
Those are two different looks,the optics of those two things
are different.
I personally would rather justbe ready for any situation that
might arise, no matter what.
So for me, you know, I'm justgoing to treat my SCAR heavy
like a rifle.

(47:23):
It's a rifle.
So if I'm hunting with it,guess what it's a hunting rifle.
If I'm going to investigate abump in the night or patrol,
whatever I'm going to do, well,guess what it's a patrol rifle.
If I'm shooting 500 yards andhitting 10 inch plates at 500
yards, guess what it's a dmr.
So it's going to fulfillwhatever purpose I need it to
fulfill.
And it's going to fulfill awider range of purposes than a

(47:46):
simple hunting rifle would do.
That's right Now, jeff Cooper,colonel Cooper, who's no longer
with us.
He used to, you know, actuallyit's oddly enough.
It's funny that I'm holding aModel 600 Mohawk because Colonel
Cooper would tell his studentsthat the Model 600 was the Model

(48:10):
600 was for his at the time.
He recommended a lot of theseto his students when it came to
like, you know, a, you know likea scout rifle.
You know, what he envisioned asa scout rifle was Colonel
Cooper, I believe.
With that, though, what'sinteresting is that it's oddly
enough that I'm holding thisrifle because this is a gun that
he recommended, not only thistype of gun, but this exact
rifle.

(48:31):
So not to say that if I went toinvestigate a bump in the night
with this, that I wouldn't feelarmed and capable of something.
But you know, a SCAR, heavy,with a nice flashlight and red
dot and a suppressor, and youknow, sort of decked out and a
little more good to go.
You know maybe even a D-ball ora PEC-4 or some type of laser
illuminator.

(48:51):
Yeah, I mean at that point.
Yeah, if you're running nodsnow, you're talking.
It just may be a completelydifferent scenario that you're
prepared for.
And of course, all of thosethings depend on what you want
to spend, how far down therabbit hole you want to go, how
much support gear you want tobuy.
The nice thing about a huntingrifle to Matt's credit is that

(49:14):
anybody can just throw a box ofammo or some loose rounds in
their pocket, load the gun andjust go have a look, go take a
walk on a property or something,and you'd have to have far less
support gear to just carry thisaround right, there are
pictures of Fidel Castro backwhen you know they they
overthrew the government in Cubaand you know when Fidel Castro

(49:35):
came into power.
There's pictures of FidelCastro fighting and he had
hunting rifle.
He's carrying around a huntingrifle.
He doesn't have an AK or FAL ora G3 or whatever.
Right, he didn't have a AK orFAL or a G3 or whatever right,
he didn't have a semi-auto.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
He had a hunting rifle.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
It'll get the job done.
Man, you know he understood thevalue of sometimes just moving
light and fast and not beingweighed down by a bunch of crap
is more useful.
So whereby, yeah, having abattle rifle is cool, you also
have to have gear to support theextra magazines.
You know that's usually goingto come with some form of a
carrier.
Maybe you're going to have somearmor.
So now you're weighing yourselfdown with armor and you're

(50:16):
weighing yourself down withextra magazines and water and
equipment.
And whereby, yeah, I mean,obviously, if that's what you're
, what you need to be preparedfor, that's important to be
prepared for.
You need to be capable.
But that's not to say that everysituation you find yourself in
is going to require you to beall decked out to the, to the
four winds just to goinvestigate a little issue on

(50:38):
the property or something.
So correct.
Those two things are not alwaysthe same.
Again, it's all about purposeand what your needs are as a, as
a and you know there's thesepeople out there that you know
they would only buy a huntingrifle, right, like a bolt action
hunting rifle, and they go well.
I don't support people buyingsome autos because I don't
understand why you need it.
Just because they don'tunderstand why it is necessary

(51:00):
to you doesn't mean it's notnecessary Because they have a
failure of their logic doesn'tmean that it should be all of a
sudden an emergency on my partto have to worry about.
You know a bunch of people whoclaim to be pro-gun coming after
me and saying, oh well, youshouldn't have that AR-15.
You shouldn't have that SCARheavy, you should just have a
bolt action hunting rifle.
Why can't you just use a boltaction?

(51:21):
That's not the point.
There's completely failing tomiss.
The point is that the secondamendment is about options and
if I had, if I'm well-armed, Ihave options and my option might
be different.
The options I need to have atmy disposal might be
considerably different than whatyour needs are, as, just simply
, someone who only hunts,someone who's a FUD, that's fine

(51:44):
, I got no problem Someone beinga FUD.
But but guess what, if allyou're into is hunting, I don't
feel like it really gives you,you know, any agency to be able
to scrutinize what I do with myguns when all you do is hunt.
Very well put.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Very well put.
Have I done my number five, orwas that number four?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
No, that was my number five was I was basically
talking about as a semi-auto, Um.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I was going to use a 308 as well.
Um, and I and that's justbecause you know I want
something like you saidsomething, just in case, right,
so we have well, you mentionedthe 30 alt six, so I think you
did do your number five.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I think you did Okay, cause you talked about the M77
Mark II.
I was wrong.
Yes, yes, okay, cool.
So yeah, I rebutted my numberfive and that was the auto
loader.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
So we had a vote for auto loader, a vote for a bolt
action, and then the only otherarea that we had some
discrepancy in was on the 22.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yep, whereby I opted for the nine mil.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
And you opted for the nine mil and all of those tools
are useful.
Your list would be useful, mylist would be useful.
So it's not like we're very faroff and I think most people,
their mentality, that's kind ofhow they think.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
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On the show there's always umsort of a wild card that we talk
about when we do five guns.
So let's say that you choseyour five and you could pick one

(55:05):
last one.
Say you could actually get sixa wild card.
What would be like the icing onthe cake if you could have one
more and this is one that I've.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
This is could be whatever you want.
Yeah, no, no, and I Ianticipated the wild card,
because we know that there'salways a wild card and, uh, this
is a gun that I will own oneday.
It might be a while, but it'sthe Negev, and I know I've
talked to you about this like awhile back.
I was like, oh man, I'm goingto get one, I'm going to get one

(55:35):
, and I think that the Negev and762.
So they make two.
They have the 556 version andthey have the 7.
And it's basically thecounterpart to the 240 Bravo, a
little bit more modernized, um,but just the rate of fire is a
little bit faster, um, and itjust to me honestly looks better
.
Better looking gun packs a tonof firepower.

(55:59):
That 762 round will absolutelyjust rip someone to shreds and
material as well.
So it doesn't have to be justbe like it'll get the job done.
I like it, that would be my,that would be my, my wild card,
because I want something thatprovides suppressive power but
at the same time can get the jobdone.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Okay, I've shot the five, five, six and a gift.
It's very nice.
The one, the one feature aboutthat gun that I think is the
most fascinating is that theoptic is not attached to the top
cover Like on the 240, the topcover pivots and your optic's
attached to that, and it can'tbe as good for your optic to
move like that.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
It shouldn't right, and you're slamming it down a
little yeah and you're slammingit down.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
It's just not good for it.
But on the nagev your opticstays put and it's just this
tiny little feed tray that popsup.
That's like small, it's likethis big.
That makes it a lot easier andalso, I believe that's going to
make the you know the gun lowerprofile too.
If you're in the prone and youhave to reload, you don't have
some giant feed tray popping upthat could potentially give your

(57:04):
position away as well.
So, and the Negev is a realsmooth gun with a very high rate
of fire, I do find it to be avery good machine gun.
All right, so what would my wildcard be?
I would have to say probablythe Barrett M107.
Now, because the wild card iskind of a fantasy gun like that,
you can just choose whatever.
Yeah, is the 107 practical tocarry around and field?

(57:26):
Probably not.
There might be some limitedsituations you could use it in,
but it is nice to know that ifyou do need 50 cal power, that
you do have a big bore autoloader that can be there to save
your bacon.
And I tell you, I still have my107.
You know, I kicked around theidea of maybe selling my 107,
but just every time I thinkabout it I'm like you know, it's

(57:47):
so perfect.
It is set up so right, itshoots so good.
And I tell you my 107, itabsolutely delivers the goods
and it's been a good one and Ilove it.
I've never had a single issueout of it.
It's always worked 110%reliably.
It always shoots great.
It eats anything I can throw init.
Don't try to shoot spottertracer rounds out of it.

(58:07):
Uh, those, the spotter tracersthat they use in the mortise
tubes for, uh the uh recoillessrifles.
Yeah, don't don't shoot those.
I learned the hard way on that.
It didn't hurt the gun but itcould have.
Um, yeah, so watch out forspotter tracer.
But other than that, it'llgenerally eat just about
whatever you can throw in it.
It loves the 750 grain AMAXFantastic round.

(58:35):
Depending on how far out yousee the AMAX, it may not fit the
magazine, that's just one thingto think about.
But factory AMAX seems to fitthe magazine just fine.
But overall it may not be themost accurate 50, but damn it,
it is the most firepower.
And I tell you it is nice tohave that fast follow-up shot
and the semi-auto capability.
And you know, the bark of theBarrett is something to respect
and I do like it.

(58:56):
I think it's a fantastic gunand could be a game changer.
They're being used in the world, the wars.
Right now they're being used inUkraine.
There's plenty of snipers thatare using 107s and they're using
them to pretty good effect.
You know, anti-material,anti-vehicle, anti-personnel, I
mean pretty much.
Whatever a .50 cal will destroy, it'll do it.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
I mean for the engagement distances that you're
seeing in the modernbattlefield.
I mean that 107 will doanything within those striking
distances.
I mean stevie wonder could puta dude down with that thing.
It's like one to one to 500meters it shoots flat.

(59:39):
Oh yeah, it's a freaking laserbeam dude it's a very flat
shooting gun.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Um, at longer range it does begin to fall out a bit.
I I mean 50 cal was neverreally intended to be a long
range shooting cartridge.
It was a machine gun cartridge,you know.
And John Browning took the30-06, which is 30 cal, and he
just said all right, we're goingto scale up the 30-06 to 50 cal
, and that's all it is.
If you look at the angle of theshoulder, all of the

(01:00:07):
measurements they're justliterally extrapolated from a
30-06 up to 50.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
They just blew the, the 30-06 up and made a bigger
scale it up, identical, likelike everything's good yep, they
just literally took 30 and madeit 50 and and it worked and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
But it was never really intended to be a sniping
cartridge or a precision riflecartridge.
It was always meant to be avolume machineing cartridge or a
precision rifle cartridge.
It was always meant to be avolume machine gun cartridge,
you know and I truly believethat was the case with the 107.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
I don't think they ever intended that 107 to be a
long, extremely long rangesniper rifle, like it can get
the job done, like they wereusing it to good effect.
But they have to have realizedthat the round isn't, it's not a
super high performance,accurate round.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Well, that Hornady A-Max does help a lot.
The Hornady A-Max projectiledoes help with the accuracy in
the 107.
I've also experimented withsome turned pure copper
projectiles from Lehigh.
They do pretty well Overall.
I would say just to give you anidea of accuracy potential.
So Mike guns and gear, he and Iuh, we have a video where we
took some 50 cal, some 107s out.

(01:01:14):
He has one and I have one.
We both took them out and wewere hitting three liter soda
bottles at 500 yards yepwhatever, if you consider that
accurate or not, that's up toyou.
I think for combat accuracy andfor the type of accuracy you
need that gun for, I thinkthat's more than adequate.
Um, you know, we might have gota 50 connection rate on a three

(01:01:37):
liter soda, 500 yards with ballammo, and that's what?
just m33 which is what you'regoing to find standard, like you
know, pulling off the links ina box the gun was designed to be
able to take an unlink M33 andshoot it, and it worked great,
you know.
And and the gun it was built ina way that it'll allow it to
eat just about whatever you canthrow in it.
So that's my wild card is the50.

(01:02:00):
His is going to give bothexcellent choices.
So, um, that concludes today'sshow.
I hope everybody enjoyed it.
Let me know what you thoughtabout this long form five guns.
I think it's going to be agreat show.
And let me know what your topfive.
If you could only own five,what would it be?
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So let me know if you have anyquestions and Matt anything else
before we go.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
No, I think it was a great conversation.
We had some great choices, man,and hopefully the viewers and
the listeners chime in and giveus your choices so that we can
kind of compare notes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Heck, yeah Well, thank you guys so much.
We will see you next Mondayhere on LOP.
We are out.
Bye everybody.