LLP #124: Debunking Firearm Myths

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Ever wondered why movie suppressors make guns whisper-quiet while real ones just "take the edge off"? Eric and Matt dive deep into the misleading world of Hollywood gun myths and media distortions that shape public perception of firearms.

The duo tackles how suppressors became demonized despite being considered basic hearing protection in Europe, where shooting without one is considered rude. They expose how news outlets deliberately mislabel hunting rifles as "sniper rifles" and show footage of shotgun damage while claiming it represents AR-15 capabilities — all tactics designed to shift public opinion against certain firearms.

Along the way, they challenge the popular belief that revolvers never fail (they do, and catastrophically), explain what really happens when ammunition catches fire (hint: it's not the bullet that becomes the projectile), and discuss how improper maintenance leads to undeserved reputations for certain firearms being unreliable.

With the SHORT Act potentially removing suppressors and short-barreled rifles from NFA restrictions, the hosts explain why this legislation matters and how it could normalize items that have been unfairly vilified. Whether you're a seasoned gun owner or simply interested in separating fact from fiction, this episode cuts through the noise with firsthand knowledge and practical insights.

Share your own experiences with firearm myths or misconceptions in the comments — the hosts might feature your story in a future episode. Subscribe and tune in every Monday at 9am Eastern for new episodes exploring liberty and the American way of life.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt, and thisis Life, Liberty and the
Pursuit, your beacon of freedomand the American way of life.
Tune in every Monday for a newepisode as we dive into the
world of liberty and what makesour country great.
Welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt, herewith LLP, and we have a great
show here for you today.
We're going to be talking aboutsome of the common

(00:22):
misconceptions about firearmsand I tell you we got one doozy
of a show.
We're going to be talking aboutsome of the common
misconceptions about firearmsand I tell you we got one doozy
of a show.
We're going to go overeverything from some myths and
some misconceptions, some media,some things that the media get
wrong about guns all the time,and I tell you I'm looking
forward to today's show.
My man.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Absolutely.
Today's going to be a greatshow.
I think that the viewers, youguys, are going to see a lot of
these misconceptions and mythsthat you've also heard.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Oh yeah, yeah for sure, for sure.
And it only seems, matt, likefirearms are one of those things
, that it's the easiest thing,especially for the media, and
the media is a huge culpritright.
They're one of the worstculprits there are because they
like to demonize firearms andthey do that through so many
different methods, and we'll goover some of those.
But before we get started onthe show, how's the week been

(01:08):
going for you?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Week has been amazing .
You know it's always a goodweek when you are able to wake
up and both feet hit the groundat the same time and you can put
your pants on without any pain.
You know, it's just, it's agood week.
You know the bad weeks are whenyou have, when you get out of
bed and your back hurts and yourneck hurts and your arms hurt,
and you know those days are aremore often than not, but it is

(01:33):
what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
All right, I got a question for you, yep.
Ok, my girlfriend and I we seemto have I'm not going to say we
argue or disagree, but we haveperhaps, maybe a slightly
differing opinion on the subjectmatter, and that's
chiropractors.
Okay, I went to chiropractoryesterday, and before that I'd
gone the week before to go getadjusted, and I tell you, I feel
better, do you?
So she thinks that it's kind ofa pseudoscience.
What do you think you believein it?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I believe chiropractors have their place.
If I'm in a really bad way, Ido go and visit a sports
chiropractor.
The thing is that you have tounderstand is there's a
difference between, say, like asports chiropractor or someone
that practices sports medicineand like your run of the mill
car crash chiropractor, which ismore often than not what people

(02:27):
run into.
You go in and you say, hey, doc, I'm having some neck pain,
some back pain, and they treatyou like you were in a car
accident and then they just dothe same thing, rinse and repeat
, over and over again.
They're kind of adjusting youvery generically, um, versus
when you go in to see a sportschiropractor or someone that
practices sports medicine, theyare treating the actual issue.

(02:49):
So if I say hey, and especiallyso, for example, I visit a
sports chiropractor that he doesgrappling, he's a grappler, so
he understands the uniqueobstacles and pain that we have
and that we get as grapplers,obstacles and pain that we have
and that we get as grapplers.
So if I say, hey, you know myshoulders really hurting me, I
got caught in a kimura or I gotcaught in a, you know, americana

(03:11):
, that's a shoulder lock, likehe's like all right, well,
there's no reason for me toadjust your back.
I'm going to work on yourshoulder and he'll spend the
whole time just working on myshoulder, my rotator cuff, my
scapula, um, so they really haveto understand what your
specialty is Like.
What are you going to see themfor?
Now, if I got into a caraccident, I'm going to go see
someone that specializes in caraccidents.

(03:32):
Yeah, but you need to findsomeone that knows what they're
doing and unfortunately, Eric,you know, chiropractors do have
kind of like that bad, that badrap of like oh, it's, it was
built around, you know,pseudoscience and magnets and
all like yeah, it is kind of aweird.
When you look back at thehistory of it, it is kind of

(03:53):
weird.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
You can.
You can see where a lot ofphysicians would consider it to
be pseudoscience.
So the guy that I went to, he'sfrom South Africa and it was
just so interesting, you know,we, we kind of, you know, went
down that rabbit hole and it wasjust very interesting to hear
some of his takes on things and,uh, you know, I feel like he's
a very competent chiropractorand, um, you know, I adjustments
working well for me.

(04:14):
Um, he had mentioned like anerve flossing.
I don't know if you guys haveever heard of that and like,
with nerve flossing, what theydo is they stretch your body in
a certain location, like whetherit's your head, like in my case
, my shoulder is kind of out ofwhack a little bit and he's been
adjusting my shoulder and itdoes help like kind of breaking
up that lactic acid andeverything like that.
Yep.
But also the nerves, like asyour muscles grow, as you're

(04:36):
working out, you're gettingstronger.
Sometimes those muscles canpinch your nerves in certain
ways from growing just by virtueof growing.
So with the with the flossing,it's like basically, you like
turn your head a certain way andthen you know you're kind of
raising lower your hand likethis and you think it's the
weirdest thing, but like, justthat bit will will cause that
nerve to you know sort of moveand twitch in a way that allows

(04:58):
it to you know kind of you know,get unpinched Right and that
can keep you from healing, itcan keep your muscles from
growing and in some cases youmight have one side that's
stronger than the other.
In my case, my bench press iscompletely jacked up.
One side is way weaker.
So the strength is there, butif the strength isn't equal on
both both shoulders then I'mnever going to be able to
complete the lift at the levelthat I need to complete it at.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, and you see that a lot, not just with, say,
like bench press, but also likethe way you walk, like your gait
, the way that you walk, um willbe abnormal, and that causes
you to get even worse becausenow you're compensating.
It's like the human body is soweird man.
It's like you know, if you havean abnormal gait, your body
compensates for that abnormalgait and then it makes it even

(05:40):
worse, right, and then like nowyou're kind of walking, now you
develop a limp if you don't getit fixed.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
And then oh man, one thing just, it makes the other
thing worse.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
And now your shoulder now because you have a limp and
your body's compensating, yourshoulders are like kind of
jacked up, and then you go seethe chiropractor and like you
could call a pseudoscience allyou want, but they fix it like
they fix Right.
So is it really pseudoscienceLike?

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I think that the reason that it gets lopped into
pseudoscience is because noteveryone has the same type of
result.
Like everyone may experiencedifferent degrees of success
with the treatment Like oneperson may react really well to
it.
And the same could be said foracupuncture, right?
Like you know, acupuncture manypeople consider it to be
pseudoscience, but acupuncturehas been used in China for

(06:29):
thousands of years and hey, youknow, there's a reason.
They've been doing it forthousands of years.
I mean, I'll trust apractitioner who's been doing
that generationally forthousands of years over someone
who is paid to.
You know, peddle some bigpharma pill down your throat
every month.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
This is true.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Now I'm not.
Hey look, medical science iswhat it is.
I'm not hating the pill pushersbecause, yeah, there are
situations where you know havingthat pill might help a certain
person, I mean in certainchemical imbalances or
nutritional imbalances orsomething like that.
But we're talking about usingsomething to hide a symptom and
not treat that symptom, but justhave someone take a pill in

(07:06):
perpetuity.
I think that the reason it getsyou know lopped into
pseudoscience is because peoplehave varying degrees of success.
One person may respond reallywell to chiropractic care,
others maybe not so much.
But maybe the underlying issuewasn't being caused by a
chiropractic issue, so it's just, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
You know.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I think that the going to the chiropractor is
cheap enough and affordableenough.
I think it's something thatshould be considered maybe as a
tool in the arsenal of multipletools to get you better.
I've been doing band work withresistance bands to help work
that deltoid because it's reallythat delt back there.
That's just humming like crazyand I've been trying to really

(07:49):
get that stronger.
How's the Jiu-Jitsu Academydoing Jiu-Jitsu?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Academy, better academy is amazing well, it's
been doing good, yes I mean, ifyou guys are interested in
training with us, come trainwith us.
Alliance jujitsu, roswell,roswell, georgia.
Um, you know, and it's funny,you bring up, you know, the
jujitsu academy, because one ofthe things that is very unique
about that is that you have it'slike a very broad student base.
So we have a ton of studentsand this is with any jujitsu

(08:15):
academy, really you run intopeople from all walks of life
and more often you you find yourdoctors and your chiropractors
from your student base.
So, like guys, when I, when Iblew out my ankle and I had a
catastrophic injury, theorthopedic surgeon was was one
of our jujitsu members, so hedidn't work on ankles, he works

(08:35):
on like upper upper extremities,but he was able to make a phone
call and said hey, man, go seemy other buddy, that is a foot
and leg specialist.
So, like, that network youbuild with your students is
great.
And then we have thatchiropractors.
We have that.
They come in, they they set thetable up like once a week and
they're like hey, if you'rehaving issues, just you know,
jump in, you know, we'll work onit.

(08:57):
So I agree with you a hundredpercent, especially with the
chiropractor.
It is something that you haveto be done, have to have done
regularly.
Um, like you said, inexpensiveenough 25 bucks, maybe once a
week you go in and then it'll.
It'll keep you straight, likeyour shoulders are even, your
hips are even your back is good.
I think you see a lot of theissues when they do it once and

(09:21):
then they're like, oh, it didn'twork.
We're like, bro, you did itonce, it doesn't work that way.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, you got to kind of keep it going.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
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Speaker 2 (11:22):
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Yep, staying healthy Veryimportant.

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That tends to be a little bit more important of a
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All right, so commonmisconceptions about guns.
I know this is probably whateverybody's here for.
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(14:05):
option is there if you don'twant to hear us banter for half
the show or whatever.
But we're going to talk aboutcommon misconceptions about guns
and I think you know there areso many that it's difficult
sometimes to you know.
Think, where the hell do webegin?
I think one of the most obviousones and I think it's very
pertinent right now to mentionthis misconception is this sort

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of Hollywood misconception aboutsuppressors.
You know, right now we're weare on the cusp here of having
some really good gun legislationgoing our way for the first
time in a long time I would sayhistorical gun legislation going
through Now.
I don't necessarily agree witheverything that's in the big,

(14:47):
beautiful bill.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right, okay.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
However, we are getting some stuff snuck in
there.
Essentially, that works for usright.
Right now, the Senate ispushing through the Short Act.
So, as of right now.
From everything I can discernabout it is that suppressors,
short-barreled rifles,short-barreled shotguns and AOWs
are all now going to be exemptfrom the tax, the NFA tax, and

(15:14):
not be subject to registrationat all.
Now it'll still be anover-the-counter item that will
still go through a 4473, and youstill have to do an
over-the-counter gun record onit, but at least you can
theoretically get it that dayand leave with it that day, and
that's absolutely crazy.
I mean, imagine how long it'sgoing to be before suppressors,
andpss and SBRs are ever instock again.

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Companies are going to betripping over themselves to make
these things for years to catchup with the demand.
When someone finds out thatthey can buy a 12-inch shotgun
no special paperwork and walkright out the door with it,
that's a really amazing thing.
So I wanted to take a moment todiscuss policy real quick,
because I think it does playinto the misconceptions that

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Hollywood has about guns, likeone primarily is suppressors and
what happens in the movie witha suppressor.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Matt, oh Lord, it's.
Everything is like deathlyquiet and people are like.
That reminds me of John.
I hate to use John Wick as theexample, but they just really
went over the top when they werelike walking through the train
station and they're just likeone guy's on the second floor
and they're just like shootingat each other and everybody's
just walking by like none thewiser.
I'm like, please, please.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
There are very, very limited situations where a
pistol could be that quiet.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
And that's not one of them, because they were not
using, and in public.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I don't care how involved in the moment you are
in terms of not paying attention.
You're going to know it's a gun.
If you're within 20, 30 feet ofit, you're still going to know
it's a gun.
It's going to have that.
It has that sound to it.
It has that snappy sound.
You can hear the action, youthat sound to it.

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It has that snappy sound.
You can hear the action.
You can hear the slidereciprocating.
Like you may not, know, what thesound of a suppressed gunshot,
especially like a 45 acp or 32acp with a good can, a pretty
quiet setup.
But you still know what thesound of a slide going.
You know, you know that sound.
You know the sound of a hammerdropping and you know that sound
when you hear it like a slidegetting racked, like it has a
distinctive sound so you canmake the gun as quiet as you
want, but you're never going toget past the sound of that

(17:23):
action.
You know you're never going toget past the sound of what the
gun actually does when, whenguns are fired.
And what's anothermisconception about suppressors
in movies that drives peopleabsolutely insane, I know, is
that what kind of people usesuppressors in movies.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Usually like assassins or hitmen.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Assassins, hitmen, secret agents.
You know bad people, right.
Or you know evil, bad people whoare, you know assassins or
something.
And I think that Hollywoodpaints that misconception about
gun owners.
It's not just the tool that'sbeing used, it's the kind of
person that uses the tool.
Oh well, for one, thesuppressor is already a
demonized item because, oh, onlyassassins and secret agents and

(18:07):
murderers and all of thesehitmen are the only people that
need a suppressor, and Hollywoodpaints that picture that those
are the only types of people whohave and use suppressors.
Now, is that to say that therehaven't been several people that
the Mossad has probably knockedoff with a suppressed Beretta
71?
, 22?
I'm sure they've probablystepped into an elevator with a

(18:31):
few people with a Beretta 71with a can on it and took care
of business, right?
And I mean, look, governmentskill people.
It just it is what it is, yep.
Now is that to say that that'snot true, right?
Is it not true that James Bondwould have a suppressor on his
gun or whatever?
I mean, yeah, maybe, but thetruth is, if you go to a range,

(18:58):
like sometimes when we haverange day, and then we have, uh,
you know, a suppressed onlyshooting hour that we have at
range day, and you think, damn,that's not suppressed.
You hear, you hear all of thosesounds.
You know where the gunshots arestill breaking the sound.
Oh yeah, man, still you cannever really completely quiet
down a gunshot.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Not any round that is worth its salt.
I mean, when you start lookingat, like you know, yeah, you can
suppress AKs, you can suppress,like you know, ars, you can
suppress FALs, but they're stillgoing to break the sound
barrier.
You're still going to hear thecrack.
And even if you use subsonicammo, it's not reliable.

(19:35):
You're not going to cycle afull auto with it.
Everything's going to turn intoa bolt action.
At that point You're kind ofcycling it manually and I think
you're right, eric.
I think the Hollywood and themovie industry for the longest
time has really been thedetriment to any type of
movement on getting suppressorsoff of the NFA, any type of

(19:55):
movement on getting suppressorsoff of the NFA, because, like
you said, everything is kind oflooked at like oh why do you
need this?
In the movies, only bad peopleuse them.
I don't talk highly of Europeon almost anything, but if you
look at Europe with suppressorsand rifles, they consider it

(20:17):
rude if you don't use asuppressor.
It's like they're like what doyou mean?
You're shooting without asuppressor?
Like that's just rude, mate.
You know, it's like they.
It's expected that you're goingto use a can.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, they treat suppressors like hearing
protection.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
And you know, even on days where they're out hunting.
You know, even a lot of huntersuse suppressors over in Europe
because they don't want todisturb people.
I don't take that as meagreeing with any of their you
know authoritarian laws, becauseI most certainly do not, but if
you look at it just from thatstandpoint I would agree with
that.
Like it is rude to not use acan.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I also think that, you know, in this situation of
Europe, for instance, I don'tknow if I would ever want I
definitely would not want amodel in the U?
S where they say, okay, well,suppressors are illegal now,
therefore, every gun has to havea suppressor in order to try to
keep the noise pollution down,or something like that.
Like I wouldn't want it to be arequirement that someone had it

(21:13):
it on there.
You know, because for some,like yeah, there's a lot of
older or historic guns thatcannot accept a suppressor and
I'm not gonna, you know, modifysome antique firearm or older
firearm to to take a suppressor.
But I don't think it should bea mandatory thing where someone
should have to have a can ontheir gun.
I just think it's good practicethat, hey, if a gun is threaded
and you can put a can on it andyou have the means to own a

(21:35):
suppressor, I don't really thinkit's a big deal.
I find myself in my YouTubevideos now like anytime a gun
has a threaded barrel and I canthrow a can on it.
I do Because, you know, it'skinder to the neighbors Not that
my neighbors even care, but itis kinder to the neighbors and
it just makes the gun a littlebit less obnoxious.

(21:57):
So when you're talking aboutsuppressors on a centerfire
supersonic rifle cartridge, like, say, you're trying to suppress
5.56, all it's really going todo is what we call take the edge
off.
It takes the edge off.
Yeah, you're going to get somenet sound reduction.
Yeah, it's going to decreasethe noise of the gun a bit for

(22:19):
the shooter.
And I would saymilitaristically or tactically
or whatever you want to look atthat, yeah, tactics-wise will it
conceal the location of ashooter a little bit.
Better to have a suppressor.
Yeah, on a big battlefield, whenthere's utter chaos going on
and there's 500 men in a smallarea all shooting at each other,

(22:41):
no one's going to know whereyou are.
I mean, it's going todefinitely, especially if
there's other gunshots going onthat are unsuppressed.
Now that's where suppressorschange things a bit because,
yeah, it can be superdisorienting.
Combat is already crazy andstressful and chaotic,
especially when you look at thetype of combat that's happening
in Ukraine right now.
Ok, and those guys are, youknow, they're hemming each other

(23:04):
up big time and a lot of thoseguys are not using suppressors.
Some of them are.
So if there's some sustainedfirefight between a few hundred
guys on either side and they're,I don't know, guarding a road
or they're doing whateverthey're doing, whatever
objective of each other's thatthey're trying to take and or
defend, or both.
Right, if some gunfire breaksout, especially with a Dishka or

(23:24):
some sort of a RPK or RPD orsome machine gun, you can
absolutely mask the location andsound of the shooter,
especially when they're layingin the prone with a suppressor.
That's when someone with asuppressor is going to
absolutely have a leg up oneverything going on around them.
When there's chaos going on.
You know there are documentedsituations in, like the battle

(23:47):
for Stalingrad and everything.
Like you look at World War II,I mean, yeah, there were
situations where bombs arefalling all over the place, and
do those snipers havesuppressors?
No, they don't.
Now there were some limitedsuppressor use but generally
speaking, most of them did not.
And Russia had a bunch ofsnipers in the war.
They trained snipers To them.

(24:09):
It was like they had this sortof mass-produced sniper
mentality for them.
So they had a mass-producedsniper rifle with a
mass-produced optic and theymade as many of those as they
could and put those in the handsof a lot of people who showed a
decent amount of shooting skillprowess.
And, yeah, when a bomb woulddrop and you hear that huge
explosion, you're not going tohear a rifle shot over that bomb

(24:30):
, but you'd have to have yourcomposure in that moment to
think, okay, a bomb's dropping,kaboom.
And there's a lot of that goingon, like when artillery shell
would hit a sniper would fireyep to cover the sound of the
report of the rifle, which is areally smart tactic and that's I
mean.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
America pretty much mimicked that with the
designated marksman program.
They just took the guys thatyou know know were you know
better shots maybe, like youknow, qualify 40 out of 40, you
know, you're not quite, you know, they don't have any sniper
school slots.
So they're like, hey man, let'sjust send you to DMR school.
Or here's a DMR, let's do likeyou go to a little DMR camp, you

(25:10):
know, and they, they put thatlittle accurized rifle in the
hands of someone that's a littlebit more capable, uh, smarter,
than the average bear per se,you know, and then like, let
them, let them have it.
So that's how you see guysrunning around with dmrs,
because you know they were justa little bit better, they're
able to utilize that, thataccurized rifle a little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
If a guy is is qualifying on his rifle in the
military and I don't know you'requalifying on an m4 right 14
and a half inch barrel m.
Know you're qualifying on an M4, right 14 and a half inch
barrel M4, and you're makingshots out to.
You know, I think now it's 500,isn't it the shootout two?
The Marines still do.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Marines shoot at 500.
They were the ones that shootto 500 all the time.
Army's always shot to 300.
Right, but it's not the same asit used to be.
We qualify with iron sightsthey're using uh these guys now
are using like ccos, like acogs,like come on, man, you can't,
you can hit a three, you can hitanything at 300 meters with an

(26:02):
acog yeah freaking yeah well tocompare like 20 years ago when
he and I were, you know,involved in military stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
You know, if you could qualify iron sights with
an M4 and shoot 40 out of 40,and you take that same soldier
and give them a 20-inch M16A4with an ACOG on it, oh my God,
they could absolutely slay withthat thing.
That's a wrap man yeah ittotally can shoot out to 500 or
600 without even thinking aboutit and with just a little bit of

(26:34):
basic training you've gotsomeone who, yeah, they may not
be a sniper, but dang, ifthey're not capable enough to
defend you at a little bit morestandoff range that a rifleman
would typically be shooting,which which is great.
And I guess that is anothercommon misconception.
When we look at Hollywoodspecifically and even this goes
into the media as well where youknow every time all right, how
many times on on the news haveseen some bolt-action hunting

(26:56):
rifle show up in a crime sceneor something and they say, oh,
it's a sniper rifle just becausea bolt-action gun has a scope
on it.
Oh, it's not a hunting rifle,it's a sniper rifle.
They always want to make it outthat every person who owns a
gun like that is some sort ofsniper or has some ill intent.
And again it's about sort ofmisrepresenting what the
intention of the of the tool isand the intention and assuming

(27:20):
the attention of the user whohas it Right, because, oh no, a
hunter is harmless, but a sniper?
Oh no, snipers don't killanimals, they shoot people and
the media they always loveanytime there's a bolt action
hunting rifle.
They always say sniper rifle.
It's just a misconception.
The media doesn.
They always love anytimethere's a bolt-action hunting
rifle.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
They always say sniper rifle.
It's just a misconception.
The media doesn't even realizethat snipers are hunters.
They were hunting snipes.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
That's where it came from.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
They were literally Scottish hunters that went out
and hunted snipes, elusive birds.
So by calling them snipers,they are in fact calling them
hunters.
Right, but just a differentkind of prey, exactly the
two-legged game well, yeah, andyou know.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
So there's all those sort of misconceptions like that
, and, and I'll tell you, um,the media is really the worst
one.
I mean, how many times in themedia have you seen where they
will show, they'll cut a videofrom youtube or something
that'll show a shotgun slughitting a watermelon and of
course it just completelyevaporates this freaking
watermelon, right, but theydon't show when the camera zooms

(28:23):
out and it's a shotgun.
They just cut it there and gooh, look at the destructive
damage of the AR-15.
But now, don't get me wrong, anAR will still do a number on a
watermelon, don't get me wrong.
But it't look like a 12-gaugeshotgun slug hit that.
So it's like they always wantto blow out of proportion the
power of certain guns just todemonize a certain type of
firearm that their handlersdon't want them to be okay with,

(28:47):
and they want to change apublic opinion about those types
of guns.
That's the thing.
It's all in an effort to changepublic opinion.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
And that types of guns.
You know, that's the thing.
It's all in an effort to changepublic opinion.
And that's the craziest thingwhen people, when that's the
craziest thing when they, whenyou see those videos, eric and
they're like, oh, this is whathappens, and you're like that
five, five, six, or that two,two, three isn't, isn't gonna do
that much damage to a waterballoon.
You're gonna see like a holeand the back side might be blown
out, but it's going to explodeyou know, it's just crazy to
hear that.

(29:17):
You know they think this is thisweapon, does so much damage and
like, in fact it doesn't um one.
So I wanted to back up realquick.
Talking about um, you know theshort act.
It's going to be a glorious daywhen you can walk into a gun
store and pick up a FostechOrigin you know AOW, with a
salvo suppressor at the sametime, and walk out and just have

(29:40):
this freaking crazy compact.
You know hell raiser, because Imean, could you imagine someone
kicking in your door and yougot a Fostech Origin with a drum
mag and a salvo?
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
So some interesting things about the AOWs that we'll
just kind of talk about brieflybefore we get into some of
these other myths andmisconceptions.
So AOWs, they have a weightrequirement.
That's part of it.
Like you guys, some of you maynot remember or know about it,
but like when the Korean companyDaewoo, they were bringing in a
bunch of really cool guns likethe K2 and also the civilian

(30:17):
version which is called theDR200.
And they're great.
The K2 is a great service rifleand I would pit it against an
AR any day.
They're great.
But they also had a shotgunthat they brought in as well,
the Daewoo shotgun was a South.
Korean shotgun with this crazydrum magazine.
Bipod yeah bipod, like it wasthe coolest thing.

(30:40):
But they wound up changing someof the laws around and they
couldn't bring those Daewooshotguns anymore because they
weighed a certain amount.
So they ended up determiningthat any gun that weighs over a
certain amount is now an AOW ordestructive device or something
like that.
So they did that on purpose.
At the time.
This law was purposely authoredin the way that it was, or at

(31:01):
least their view of it waschanged in the way that it was,
in order to prevent certaintypes of guns from finding their
way over to America, like theDaewoo's, and I think the Street
Sweeper was another gun thatthey tried to outlaw.
The Street Sweeper because itwas so heavy, yeah, and the
whole idea is that because it'sheavy, I guess it cuts down on

(31:21):
recoil, but in their mind, oh,it's heavy because it holds a
lot of shots.
It's a drum magazine orsomething like that.
So you'd mentioned the origin.
Okay, yeah, I know Davidpersonally.
He's a really good guy and Iknow the whole team over at
Fostech and they're really greatpeople.
I've been up to their factoryin Indiana I think they're
Seymour, indiana Really greatgroup of people and really,

(31:43):
really awesome folks and theyreally love what they do, but
they were running into a lot ofchallenges getting the Origin to
be a gun that they couldactually sell just as a shotgun
to the public and it not fallinto that destructive device
category, or where was it?
Either AOW or destructive devicecategory.
The reason that they werehaving so much trouble is they

(32:04):
had to put a lot of thought intolightening that gun up to get
it light enough to not beconsidered in that category to
make it an NFA item.
And that includes, like, theyhad to skeletonize the drum
magazines.
They had to, you know,skeletonize as many parts as
they could.
They had to put lightning cuts.
They had to, you know, usepolymer furniture and polymer,
you know, parts in somelocations to cut down on the

(32:26):
weight.
So now that all of this crap isout of the way, if the short
act goes through, I wouldimagine that David will probably
make some changes to the originand beef up a few things.
It might be a little heavier,but it also might be a little
more rugged as well, a littlemore bomb-proof.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
I mean the gun looks sick, man.
I mean because they had to doso many lightning cuts and
because they had to skeletonizeit, that gave you that Space
Marine bolter look.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
I was like, oh man, that thing is nasty, it does
kind of have that look it does.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
It's like very, it's very like rectangular square,
Like.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I think it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
It has that look, but it is heavy Not going to lie
Like you.
You gotta be a man to tote thatthing around.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, I do like the Origin and it's a fantastic
shotgun and I do like shotgunsin general, I think.
For me, I've always reallyliked auto-loading shotguns
because just the amount ofpayload that you can deliver on
target.
They are fantastic in that roleEspecially that specific
shotgun, I mean that thing.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
You'll just put freaking a drum of double a buck
on somebody in like what, likefour seconds you could unload an
entire drum.
It's like oh.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, so there are so many myths and misconceptions
and I know we've touched on someof the ones that you know the
media is just so bad about, youknow, trying to create this
chicken little complex abouteverything gun related, right?
Trying to create this chickenlittle complex about everything
gun related, right?
Whether it's misrepresentingwhat type of damage a gun does,
misrepresenting the use ofsuppressors, demonizing black

(34:02):
rifles such as AKs and ARs,there seems to be an agenda with
the media in trying to paint avery negative light around these
types of items.
And those are all very commonmisconceptions that,
unfortunately, the public reallyfalls for that a lot.
And you know, politics aredownstream from culture and
culture is downstream fromperception.

(34:24):
And when perceptions arechanged in such a way, you know,
obviously our media has a lotto do with that because people
listen to the media.
Unfortunately, now in recentyears, I think the media has
been under a lot more scrutinythan what they have in the past
and they have a lot moredifficult burden of proof to
prove some of the things theysay.
But it doesn't mean that therearen't people who you know they

(34:46):
eat up whatever narrative thatthey can have.
Okay, but Hollywood is in thesame boat and I know you've seen
many movies where you knowfirearms are misrepresented and
of course it changes people'sperception on them.
We talked about how you knowsecret agents in movies and
snipers in movies, and there's alot of really funny things that
you see in some sniper moviestoo, like scopes mounted

(35:06):
backwards and you knowabsolutely looney tunes crap
that like no sniper would use arifle like that or a rig like
that.
But you can tell for theproduction they were kind of
short on money and they have tojust get whatever cheap gun they
can.
In fact there was one moviewith oh my God, I can't remember
the guy's name.
It was one of those 80s kind ofaction stars but he had an air

(35:31):
gun.
You could totally tell it wasjust like an air rifle with like
a little cheesy scope on it andthat's his gun.
He was a sniper in that movie,you know, and and I mean they
got away with that because it'slike sometimes the facts are
secondary to the entertainment.
So that's another reason thereare so many misconceptions,

(35:51):
primarily from hollywood.
They get, sounds wrong, theyget.
I'm sure you've seen so manysituations where they don't
change magazines and it's likeit's a never-ending mag boom,
boom, boom, boom, boom.
You never see them reload likecommando right like commando.
It's like for one.
Where are those mags on him?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
yep where's he carrying?
He's wearing no shirt.
He's got one magazine in thegun.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Where are the reloads ?
So it paints a misconception,hollywood paints a misconception
that guns can shoot forever andhave unlimited ammo.
And, of course, what do you seethe people doing in these
movies?
And Commando, what does he do?
He proceeds to just lay wasteto everyone he sees.
So people have thismisconception that, oh well,
when a person's got a gun,they're going to be on a

(36:35):
bloodbath, a blood spree, akilling spree.
So those misconceptions are,you know, on the fault of
Hollywood as well andunfortunately, you know, culture
is downstream from thoseperceptions and ultimately, so
are the political things that wehave to deal with, such as laws
, things that we have to dealwith, such as laws.

(36:57):
And you know what, what type ofappetite people actually have
for gun control.
As we know, it is directly, youknow, dependent and, and you
know, at fault of hollywood andthe media this is true.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I mean that media plays its part.
You know the general publicplays its part as well, because
they they as much as you know usas consumers, as movie
consumers, enjoy watching themovie for entertainment.
We also are susceptible to notspeaking out and not standing up
for what's going on because wewant entertainment Like oh yeah,

(37:31):
the Matrix, great movie.
It was very entertaining.
Was it Hollywood accurate?
Maybe the lobby scene?
That was fairly accurate onround count because you would
actually see him throw the gunsaway.
So he has the OG one scorpions,which I thought was kind of
cool.
So, like the original scorpions, he runs out those 30 rounds

(37:56):
real quick, throws them, pullsout the MP5Ks, runs those out
real quick.
He doesn't even changemagazines, he just throws them,
goes and grabs two more.
I was like, okay, we're kind ofaccurate here on round count,
but that's about it.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
That's what we call a New York reload.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yes, the New York reload.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
That's a New York reload, throw it away, grab
another one yep so we got to the, the media, misconceptions and
myths.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
From a personal, this is one that's always bugged me.
I'm gonna bring up one that'salways bugged me and I and I and
I do my best to tell peoplethis, because there's two camps.
There's the people that they'relike, oh, I want to carry a
revolver, like, okay, there'snothing wrong with carrying a
revolver, revolvers are cool,they'll get the job done.
But then you ask them why?

(38:45):
Like why do you want to carryrevolver?
And they say because they'remore reliable.
They never fail.
And I'm like I don't know ifthat's entirely true, because
they do fail.
But when they do fail it'scatastrophic, like there's no
coming back from it.
You know, it's not like youcan't just slap, tap and rack a
revolver and get it back intoaction.

(39:05):
It's like when you pull thetrigger, nothing happens on a
revolver.
You're toast.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yes, nothing's probably going to happen, no
matter what you do.
Yep, I will say this I dobelieve in that.
I believe that you know, peopledo sometimes place a little bit
too much faith in a revolverbeing completely bomb-proof.
Now guys, look, don't get mewrong.
Revolvers are tremendouslyreliable and I can count the

(39:30):
issues that I've had on arevolver.
I mean, maybe one time that Ihad a bad hand load that wasn't
crimped all the way and thebullet offset back in the
cylinder and locked the cylinderup.
But that was a hand loadingissue, not the issue with a gun.
So, okay, yeah, can the crimpcome undone and the bullets have
a bit of offset and prevent thecylinder from rotating?

(39:52):
Yes, Can you have a squib andget a stuck round in the barrel?
Well, you can.
You have a squib and get astuck round in the barrel?
Well, you can do that with anine millimeter auto loader,
can't you?
Yes, so the same thing it coulddeadline your auto loader can
also deadline your revolver.
So that's not uniquely specialto revolvers.
So we can't really say that.
What is the one, maybe a fewspecific issues that a revolver

(40:12):
only can have, that autoloaderader can't.
Can an autoloader break afiring pin or snap a spring of
some sort that could cause itnot to run properly or bust a
striker.
Of course it can.
Anything can break.
Anything that's man-made canand will break, and it can.
So that's not unique to just arevolver.

(40:34):
What are revolver-specificissues that only a revolver
would experience?
To stop it up over anautoloader?
That would not apply to anautoloader.
Well, one would be the offsetof the projectile, keeping the
cylinder from rotating.
What happens when a projectileis offset in an autoloader?
Well, it really can't, becausethrough the firing sequence of

(40:55):
an autoloader, let's say that around chamber's in your 9mm and
the bullet is a little loose inthe case and it goes forward a
little bit.
As long as it's still stickingin the mouth of the case, enough
to build pressure.
When you fire the gun, it'sjust going to shoot like you
didn't even know anythinghappened.
Now, okay, the gun might shortstroke, it might have less

(41:15):
velocity, but that bulletprobably, unless it didn't just
fall apart in the chamber whenthe gun loaded itself the
bullet's going to leave thebarrel and the gun will probably
cycle on its own.
So autoloaders have a way ofself-correcting in a way that
that revolver cannot do so.
That revolver has a uniquestoppage that can only happen to

(41:36):
a revolver.
That can't happen in anautoloader.
And if it does happen in anautoloader it's easily
correctable by just tap, rack,observe and continue shooting,
all right.
What is another specificstoppage that only a revolver
can have that an autoloadercan't?
Well, one.
Is the lock on the cylinder?
All right?

(41:57):
An auto loader can't?
Well, one is the.
Is the lock on the cylinder allright?
There's like a little bittyhand that pops up that holds
that cylinder in time and holdsit, uh, steady while the the
gun's being fired.
That lock can break.
Now the gun's deadlined, right.
What happens when you take arevolver?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
you open the cylinder and go and you spin it and then
go bam and close it, and thenall that mass stops against that
bolt.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
What if it breaks?
What if it's compromised?
What if it has some sort of aburr that you don't really know
about?
So, yes, revolvers are veryreliable, but they are not
without their potential faults,and I would say some faults that
might only be unique to them,that don't even affect an auto
loader.
Yep, I would say auto loadersare very reliable and in a

(42:41):
situation where an auto loaderdoes not work, it could
potentially be the samesituation that would down a
deadline or a wheel gun.
Anyway, True.
So I don't really buy it.
When someone says, well, I wanta revolver because it's more
reliable, I don't know if you'renecessarily choosing a revolver
because of its reliability orif you're choosing revolver

(43:03):
because it's light and handy andcompact and concealable, I
would say a J frame Smith yes isgreat for that.
If my argument between revolverand pistol was that reliability
was an issue, well, I don'tthink that's a good enough.
Example.
I would argue that a J-framehides on the body quite well,

(43:25):
because it's got no hammer aswell.
Yeah, everything's nice andcompact, there's nothing that
can snag on your clothing,there's no external hammer.
So the argument of wheel gunversus auto loader, you know
that's a, that's a very, youknow, you know, hotly debated
topic between people.
But but I think once you seewhat actually, you know
deadlines, a wheel gun and a anda and a auto loader versus what

(43:49):
doesn't, I think you quicklybegin to see that it's probably
more semantics.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
And I think a lot of people.
You know they base theirpurchase off of the myths that
we're talking about.
So they might this person mightgo and say hey, I heard you
know a revolver is more uh, youknow, reliable.
So I want to purchase arevolver and, like you said, it
might not necessarily be thecase.
I would even argue that I wouldfeel more if you took two guns

(44:17):
one was a revolver, one was anautoloader and you took them
about 25 feet in the air and youjust dropped them on the ground
.
I personally would feel moreconfident that the autoloader
would.
You could pick that up and fireit over the revolver.
I'm certain something on thatrevolver broke, like inside,
whether it's knocked out of time, whether you know the lock on

(44:40):
it broke.
That's just me personally.
I would feel much morecomfortable, like saying I'm
going to grab this, you know,semi-auto auto loader and it's
going to do the job.
What if you drop a SIG P320?
Different story, differentstory.
I've got one.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Look, we can just throw it right here on the floor
right now.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
No, oh, you're so confident, matt, you're so
confident Anything, but that soquickly?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Well, all right.
Is the reliability of the SIGM17, the SIG P365, all right?
Is that something that's blownout of proportion Just because a
few, let's say a few soldiersand officers dropped their
pistol and it discharged?
Well, it's obviously an issueSIG I don't want to say that

(45:27):
they've been forthcoming or notforthcoming about the issue.
Quite frankly, I haven't reallylooked into it so I don't know
how they're handling it, but Iwould say that, knowing a
company like SIG, I would bewilling to bet they're probably
just making rolling changes.
You know like if they identifiedyou know they identified the
potential problem that couldcause it to do that right, and
do you think for one secondthey're going to come out and go

(45:49):
?
Well, this gun, within theserial number range, can do X, y
, z.
They may have done that, but itseems to me that what most
companies would likely do is goover to the engineering
department and go hey, bobby,come over here for a second,
change this right now and don'ttell anybody.
You know like they're going tofix the issue, but I think
they're going to kind of like bequiet about it.

(46:10):
So remember, early on, when theSig P365 came out, matt
actually helped me film.
He did some shooting as well,when we did sort of a little
thousand round torture test justto see if we could get the Sig
P365 to stop in some way,whether you know it be from some
potential issues or or primerdrag.
At one point there was a littlebit of primer swipe that was

(46:33):
occurring on some of the P365sand it seemed to give people the
idea that possibly it couldcause some stoppages.
And I know Tim at Military ArmsChannel tested it.
We tested it, you and I shot athousand rounds.
I think the only issues that wehave were just the grip, you
know, maybe causing the slidenot to go all the way.
That was just a manual of armsissue, but in terms of the gun

(46:54):
itself actually choking, Icouldn't.
I didn't really feel like wecould produce any stoppages that
were related to that particularissue.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
No, you're correct, that was just, you know,
self-induced.
You know if it was a stoppage,it was a self-induced stoppage,
Right?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
And it happens.
Yep, it happens.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
But I mean, yeah, I think that Sig, you know, I
don't have a dog in this fight,I don't, I don't own any Sigs Um
, I don't carry Sig.
So for me I don't keep up, Idon't stay on top of it.
You know, like most people do,that are kind of invested in
that ecosystem of of Sigs.
What I can tell you is they didI've seen reports that they

(47:29):
they changed their, uh, theirmanual of arms.
So basically they said youcan't, you're not supposed to
carry in condition one.
So they're saying, hey, these,these guns are not designed to
carry in condition one, carrycondition zero.
And for you guys it's like youknow, one in the chamber, one
not in the chamber.
So they're they're directingpeople that own these three

(47:51):
twenties to carry in conditionzero so that these accidental
discharges aren't happening.
So I guess, in their opinion,if you just take the round out
of the chamber, there's nothingto go off.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
All right, this is my M17.
What I'm going to do is I'mgoing to take some primed brass
All right, no powder, noprojectile.
I'll make a separate YouTubevideo and I'm going to attempt
to induce some unintended primerhits.
Okay Now, with maybe somespecific taps from a hammer in a

(48:28):
few locations.
I don't know if I'm going to gothrow my pistol around, because
this is one of my carry guns.
I don't want to screw it up toomuch, but I guess if I mess it
up, I can call Wilson Combat andget a new grip module.
This is their aftermarket gripmodule that they make for the
M17, and I like it a lot.
It's got some good texture andthis is not necessarily a plug
for them, but heck, I guess itcan be.
Look, it's great.
So Wilson Combat does make thisgrip module, and one of the

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neat things about the SIG m17,m18, 320 series of pistols is
that the serial number componentis actually just this internal
chassis.
It's like a trigger groupassembly and that is a serial
number component, so I canchange out slides and barrels
and grips and all sorts ofgoodies on this thing and the
serial number location is just agrip module, the fire control

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module.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, you can change the frame to a bigger frame to a
smaller frame.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
So in light of that, I mean okay, so have some of the
M17s and some of the P320s hadsome issues.
I'm not going to say thoseissues aren't valid or that they
didn't happen.
Of course they happened.
They were, you know,acknowledged issues.
But I love my M17.
This gun shoots fantastic.
It's a really great gun and youknow I can't say that I've ever

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had an issue out of it.
But hey, I will do a video andtry to induce a problem out of
this gun.
There you go, kermit.
Kermit is pistol back.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
And the Kathy Barra.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Kermit Kermit is pistol back.
And the Kathy Barra, yeah, andthe Kathy Barra.
So when we're getting on tomore of the misconceptions that
individuals have, right, we kindof talked about the media, we
talked about Hollywood, and nowthis is just like people's
general stupidity, right?
And some of these areas arecertainly, you know, points that
are worth considering, becauseif someone, a story doesn't
start from just anywhere right,A story has to start from

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somewhere.
If a rumor mill gets floatingaround about a gun that has a
specific type of problem orissue or quirk or tendency, it
has to have some kernel of truth.
It had to happen to somebody,right?
This one's related to huntingand this goes back to my grandpa
, and a lot of people that Iknow also would clean their guns

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with WD-40 all the time.
What happens?
Someone cleans their gun withWD-40.
They spray the action andbarrel and all sort of crap down
and what do they do?
They put it.
You know, when someone puts agun in the closet, they're going
to put buttstock down, muzzleup and it's going to lay it in

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the closet, right?
What happens to all that oil?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Goes back into the action.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Right, it drips back and it works its way down.
It doesn't stay where you putit, it works its way down.
And then what happens?
Once it hits the wood, it soaksthe wood.
Yep, oil soak in the wood allright now.
Imagine doing that over a10-year period.
What's going to happen to thatstock?
Probably going to be have somestructural integrity.

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That's that's compromised overtime.
You're going to have somedamage, oil damage oil soak
right, I could see that.
Those Remington 7400s and 7600sthat got in the 760s and 740s.
They got a really bad rap right.
Remington had such a problemwith that rifle, not because

(51:52):
that the gun wasn't good, butbecause people wouldn't care for
the gun properly.
So again, that's one of thosemisconceptions that got thrown
around.
Oh, those 748 Woodsmasters aresuch garbage 30-06s, you know.
So.
It was an auto-loading 30-06with a five-round magazine, so
just a basic hunting rifle.
But it was a semi-auto andthose guns began to get a

(52:15):
horrible rap.
They made them in 270.
They made them in .270.
They made them in .30-06, and Ithink they might have had some.
They did in .308 for a while,but most of them were chambered
in .30-06, and they'd had somerevisions and tried to change a
gun around a little bit andimprove it, but it just wound up
not being successful.
That's one of those exampleswhere it's not because the gun

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wasn't a decent gun.
When they're sprung well andcared for properly and
lubricated properly and you takecare of them and feed them good
ammo, they work just fine.
But people would just be lazyin the care of the gun and then
the gun took the rap for thelack of maintenance and care
that someone just wasn't willing.
It's a little bit complicatedof a gun to take apart and feel

(52:56):
stripped and clean.
So what would people do?
They would lock the bolt to therear and spray an old can of
oil in there and shake it out.
All right, we're good to goLaziness.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah, when you asked that about the wood furniture
getting damaged, I was thinkingI'm like I don't agree with that
because I think that if youmaintain your weapon and you're
you're doing it regularly youwould catch that.
It's the guys that like leaveit in there for years and like
never touch it.
Why are it is causing that?

Speaker 1 (53:24):
issue.
Well, and then and then withwd-40.
What happens is if you spray alot of wd-40, eventually what
will happen, is it?
I don't want to say that itlike evaporates off.
It doesn doesn't, but itdoesn't quite stay put in the
way that people think it does.
It will varnish after a while.
It will leave like a kind ofsticky varnish behind if it's

(53:44):
left on there for a long time,like you spray WD-40 on a part
and then just leave it for ayear and you don't ever mess
with it again.
It's almost like that oil sortof congeals into, like almost
like a faux cosmoline yeah, nowimagine how good that gun's
gonna work when you pull it out.
Probably not right like okaywell, the answer is more wd-40
just keep spraying it down andthen just that's the rinse and

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repeat the way that the bolt onthat rifle locks up.
It uses this is kind of weirdfine interrupted thread.
That's like it's not a buttressthread, but it's like the way
that that bolt locks up.
It has a very specific type oflock mechanism for the bolt.
That requires very littlerotational axis but it has a lot
of areas of contact over theentire surface of the bolt that

(54:30):
as it locks up, it has to lockinto these tiny little grooves
very precisely.
It's a precise lockup but theyare able to make the throw of
the bolt much shorter.
So if you get a little rust orcrud or gunk on those threads,
the gun ain't going to run right.
So the gun ended up getting abad reputation, not because it

(54:51):
wasn't a good gun, but becausepeople didn't care for it
properly.
So that's one of those examples.
And the same thing.
You know, really, those RugerDeerfield carbines, the 44 mag
semi-auto carbines same thing,same thing.
Those guns got a bad reputationfor being unreliable and being,
you know, jam-o-matics, simplybecause people did not

(55:12):
understand the proper protocolsfor maintenance.
Another good example of a gunthat fell into that type of
issue is the Remington 1100.
The Remington 1100 shotgun.
People hate them to this day,they have a very specific
protocol for maintenance that noone ever does properly.

(55:33):
I believe it.
I believe it so they get areputation for not being good,
but it's not because it's not agood shotgun, it's because you
don't care for does properly.
I believe it.
I believe it.
So they get a reputation fornot being good, but that's not
because it's not a good shotgun,it's because you don't care for
it properly.
90% of issues you have out of aRemington 1100 are related to
failure in the maintenanceprotocol, nothing more.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Well, think about, you know, all the other firearms
that they have to dumb downbecause people don't want to
either do maintenance or theydon't want to go through a
certain sequence to do stuff.
Like you know, ars like 90 ofthem are over gassed because
people they know they're notgoing to go through and select
the right ammo.
They're going to like I'm justgoing to throw in this wolf, I'm
just going to do whatever Ineed to do, and so they have to

(56:10):
over gas it, so it's reliable.
So then they complain I'mgetting gas.
I'm like all this gas isgetting thrown back in my face.
It's like throwing.
You know ammo everybody's likeunreliable.
It's like same thing they'velearned early on.
They can't do, uh, you knownice, you can't give people nice
things.
You have to give them to themasses.

(56:31):
It's like you can't givesomebody a nice smooth action uh
, what was like the mauser glassactions and like you can't do
that anymore.
Like they people don'tappreciate it.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
They're like they just want what works yeah, the
sort of like industrialreliability that that is, you
know, kind of made rough onpurpose so that it can't really
fail like past the point offailure.
In fact I'm looking at rifleover your shoulder right now,
the Ruger American.
I like the Ruger Americanseries of rifles.
They're great, okay.
But in that same vein, is it anice M77 Mark II like your Alt 6

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?
No, they're much more crude Now.
They are cheaper.
They cost less than half themoney of what one of those M77s
cost.
Ruger still makes the M77 today, but it's called the Hawkeye.
They changed the name of it.
That's not because the old M77Mark II all-weathers were not
good guns.
They're in fact some of thebest guns that Ruger ever made

(57:27):
and I recently went through andI got rid of some of mine.
I had a large collection ofthem and I've sold several of
them, but I only kept one in mycollection and I kept my 9.3x62.
It's right over there actuallyto your side, right there with
the green sling on it.
I love that gun.
It is an absolute jackhammer.

(57:47):
But the point is, I suppose,that the Ruger American is kind
of like that, like you mentioned, where it's kind of crude and
basic but it's functional.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, it'll work.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
It does the job.
It does the job.
You know.
Polymer stock, a little bitmore simple bolt mechanism, I
think it has like a basic pin-inbarrel kind of almost like a
Savage-style barrel system.
It makes it real easy tomanufacture.
You know, it's just a moreaffordable rifle.
There's nothing wrong with arifle being affordable.
But anyway, you're completelyright on that.

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There are so many freakingmyths and misconceptions that we
could go over.
I mean this video could takehours of going through every
little story and thing that weheard over the years.
I mean everything from peoplethrowing ammunition in fires,
like what ammo does when youthrow in a fire.
There's a lot of myths andmisconceptions about what
happens when you throw ammo in afire.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
What happens.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
You know, I've never has anyone ever thrown.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I've never done it.
I've never been dumb enough todo it.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I mean, that's like that's all right, I know some of
y'all had some crazy uncle who,accidentally, y'all were out
shooting and you had a bigbonfire going or something at
the camp and he accidentallythrew a box of .22 ammo in the
fire, thinking it was empty andthere might have been a couple
little handful left that hedidn't realize was in there.
What happens to those things?

(59:09):
Yeah, they're going to go off.
That powder is going to ignite.
They're going to go off.
What part of a bullet?
All right.
When, when a piece ofammunition is in a fire, what's
the projectile?

Speaker 2 (59:24):
is it?
The projectile well, I'm nowthat you're walking us through
this.
I understand where this isgoing.
What hurts you.
Well, if are we talking theprojectile in the chamber or are
we talking projectile in thefire.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I'm talking you take ammo and you throw it in a fire.
That ammo is going to go offthat's going to hurt you the
casing.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
What's going to come flying out of the fire and hurt
you?

Speaker 1 (59:46):
probably the casing, the casing yeah, because it's
simple physics yeah I justrealize projectile weighs more
than the brass.
All All right.
That is not a containedsituation where the pressure is
being contained by a chamberthat then pushes the bullet, the
heavier object, through thebarrel with the expanding gases.
No, the bullet stays relativelyput.

(01:00:08):
It's the weirdest thing.
If you were to film a burningbullet going off, the projectile
is not going to really go toofar.
The case becomes a projectile.
Yep, I believe you have likepieces of brass shooting out of
the fire at some pretty goodspeeds now.
Now is it fast enough to killyou?
Maybe not, but it could leave amark.

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It could hurt.
I mean a 22, maybe not so much,but you better believe a 50 cow
or some nine mil or five, five,six, that brass is coming out
of there.
Yeah, now it makes senseAnything where the projectile
weighs more than the brass thatbrass coming out of the fire.
And don't ask me how I know.
I mean I've had some unintendedsituations where that's

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happened before.
So many things like that.
I could tell so many storiesabout some of the goofy, dumb,
harebrained things that happenedat Deer Camp over the years.
And alcohol was not involved, Ipromise.
Okay, I'm not suggesting thatwe would get drunk and do dumb
things or whatever, but I willsay that some of the stories you

(01:01:12):
hear about Deer Camp frompeople related to guns probably
had a little bit of lubricationinvolved.
Okay, Some alcohol was probablyinvolved in order for people to
you know things like barrelobstructions.
I could tell so many stories,so let us know down in the
comment section below what aresome of the craziest
misconceptions and myths or justcrazy stories that you've heard

(01:01:32):
about guns over the years.
What happened to somebody youknow?
Did they have a weird barrelobstruction?
Did something wild happen?
And it's like so outrageous youcan't believe it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
And I know we didn't even scratch the surface on all
of the myths.
This is just what we had timefor, guys.
I'm positive we will workaround again and we're going to
have a lot of different otherstuff like myths and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Know, stuff that we can talk about, yeah, but let us
know in the comment sectiondown below, what's the craziest
thing that you've ever heardabout guns, whether it's a myth
or misconception or just a crazystory.
Let me know, and if we get alarge enough collection of these
stories and things, maybe we'llcompile an episode and we'll
read some of your stories andreact to them.
How, how about that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
That's right, that'd be fun.
That's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
We have so much more on the way.
I know today's show we kind ofbounce all over the place, but I
wanted to go over.
I think really the worstculprit is that sort of complex
of the media and Hollywood andthe way they misrepresent gun
owners and especially they do itin such a conniving and evil
way to purposely paint a badpicture against gun owners and
to move the political narrativeof guns.

(01:02:40):
I think that's really the mostegregious thing that's being
done and it's less effective nowthan it was years ago.
I would agree with that.
But it's certainly somethingthat I think people need to be
aware of that they're alwaysgoing to try to make gun owners
look bad.
They're going to make guns lookbad.
They're going to demonize theidea of owning a gun and, um, I
think that's really what Iwanted to portray in today's

(01:03:01):
show for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
I think you mission accomplished, man.
You got anything else for himtoday?
No, man, I think.
Uh, I think it was a greatconversation.
We hit on, you know, at leasttwo or three of the myths, that,
at least the biggest one thatbothered me, and obviously, with
the short act coming up, likethat was definitely something
that we needed to discuss, justbecause it kind of scratched two

(01:03:23):
inches.
It was like hey, we need totalk about that.
We also need to talk about youknow why, like the why behind
the why.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I agree, there's always a why behind the why.
That's right and, believe me,they're, they're not going to
stop.
They're always going to go outof their way.
And I say they, theanti-gunners, and the media and
Hollywood, you know they'realways going to go out of their
way to try to make gun ownerslook crazy and unfortunately,
you know their media and theirentertainment and all the things
that they put forth is aneffective tool for them to

(01:03:50):
change the narrative a narrativeon it.
So just be mindful of that,guys.
We have many more podcasts onthe way, lots of cool stuff that
we're doing.
I've got a whole list here.
I'm telling you some of theseare some juicy podcast episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Some spicy stuff.
Some of them are spicy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
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