LLP #126: Who Are the Real Immigrants?

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The heated immigration debate in America reveals a country struggling with its own identity. While politicians and pundits paint immigration in black and white terms, the reality exists in countless shades of gray that deserve our attention.

When we ask "who are the immigrants?" we confront an uncomfortable truth: all Americans came from somewhere else, whether recently or generations ago. Our podcast hosts represent this spectrum perfectly – Eric's family arrived in the 1630s, while Matt's grandmother immigrated from Korea and Japan. This diversity of American experiences shapes our perspectives on what it means to belong here and who gets to make those decisions.

The conversation challenges both right and left-wing narratives. We examine border security concerns while questioning the wisdom of mass deportation policies that fail to distinguish between violent criminals and peaceful long-term residents. Is the grandmother who's cleaned hotel rooms for 25 years truly the same threat as cartel members or fentanyl traffickers? Common sense suggests otherwise, yet nuanced positions often get lost in our tribal political landscape.

America's unique cultural identity emerges not from forcing assimilation but from celebrating diversity within a shared framework of values. Unlike countries that demand cultural conformity, the United States has traditionally welcomed diversity – creating spaces where immigrants can maintain cultural connections while embracing American ideals. This dynamic tension between preservation and integration defines our national character.

The podcast ultimately frames America as "the bastion of red-headed stepchildren" – a place where people who don't fit elsewhere can find belonging. This vision suggests immigration isn't simply a policy issue but central to our national identity and future. Join us to explore this complex conversation that goes beyond sound bites to the heart of what makes America both challenged and extraordinary.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt and thisis Life, liberty and the Pursuit
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right boys and girls, welcome back.
This is Eric and Matt here withLLP, and I hope you're all
having a great week.
Here we are.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Back for the spiciness, here with Bellzone.
Yes, another Monday here to getyou through your workday.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I hope so.
Maybe it might get you throughthe insanity of life, or it
might just lead us all off acliff too, I mean who knows this
is true.
What direction we're going here.
I hope everybody's having agreat week and had a good
weekend and really enjoy LLP,and I appreciate all of you who
have supported Matt and I in ourendeavors.
Soon I will end up having Matton some of my content on the

(00:49):
YouTube channel as well.
We'll have him making someguest appearances on some gun
gripes and five guns, so expectthat That'll be fun once we can
get around to hitting up someepisodes.
Today's show we're going to bediscussing who are the
immigrants, who are the actualimmigrants, who are they?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
That's a great question.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, and it's crazy.
We weren't even really going tocut a show about this today,
but Matt and I just kind of gotdown the rabbit hole of
discussion of how everyone is soup in arms over this
immigration issue.
It is a really hot buttonsubject for a lot of people and
there are many people primarilyon the right.
Now there are people on theleft side of the camp that feel

(01:31):
this way as well.
But I would say this point ofview is primarily a right wing
leaning viewpoint is that youknow, hey, we voted for Trump to
, to, to, you know, enact all ofthis mass deportation of legal
immigrants and to essentiallypurge them from our country and
everything like that.
And that seems to be the kindof popular talking point and the

(01:52):
popular viewpoint of many onthe right.
And look, I'm on the right, ok,so for me, I consider myself to
be obviously extremely rightwing maybe too much right wing
for the average right wingperson, but I'm very right wing.
But I think there's some nuance.
I think there's some balance andsome nuance to the conversation
that sometimes it gets left onthe floor.

(02:17):
It sort of gets left on theediting room floor when it comes
to the talking points that areperpetuated by many of these
talking heads and these punditswithin the media and popular
social media influencers, orwhatever the hell you even want
to call it.
Again, going back to our podcast, where we talk about

(02:37):
influencers, I think that's sucha strange thing.
It's like if my value, that Iadd to the conversation, is
simply that I, that I influencepeople I don't know to spend
money a certain way or topurchase a product, which, of
course, we have sponsors on theshow.
So I mean, I guess I am aninfluencer to some degree, but
I've always found that to bekind of strange.

(02:58):
It's like if that's the valuethey see in it.
But these influencers they talkabout like almost in this
hateful way, like how much theyjust detest the idea of
immigrants even being here, andthen it begins to paint this
sort of picture, matt, that notonly are they against illegal
immigration and people cominghere in a way they're not
supposed to, but that they seemto have a problem with

(03:20):
immigrants, period, yes, yes,and you know what's your
thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
I know we already talked about a little bit, but
we're going to kind ofparaphrase we talked a little
bit before the show, you knowyeah, I mean, it's always like
immigration in and of itself isalways um, it's a touchy subject
because, you know, I'm I'm anamerican, I was born here, um,
so for me, my parents weren'tthey my parents immigrated here,
or or my mom immigrated here,my dad was American.

(03:47):
So for me, I had to see myfamily go through it the legal
way, and it's long, it's hard,it's difficult and it's
expensive, and I get it.
There's people that they can'tshoulder the burden of the cost

(04:09):
or they, quite frankly, don'twant to go through the process,
and those I don't believe haveany grounds to say that they
shouldn't have to do it.
I think that everybody shouldbe vetted when they come into
the US, and I think there's twosides of the coin.
There's the left and the right.

(04:30):
The right says, hey, we don'twant any immigrants.
The left says let them come in.
I'm more in the middle.
I think that we're a nationbuilt upon immigrants, but we
have to respect our borders andwe also have to make sure that
the immigrants that we'reletting in aren't murderers,
aren't rapists, aren't criminals.

(04:53):
It takes a long time, and that'sthe thing about bureaucracy it
takes a long time.
I'm going to use the VA as anexample.
You have 80,000 employees thatwork at the VA just to service
US veterans.
Look at the IRS.
They had to hire X amount ofagents to try to service the tax

(05:17):
code.
Now imagine trying to vet600,000 people a day.
Day.
It's not.
It's not possible.
You have to slow it down.
It's going to take a long time,but to me, that's the only way
to do it right.
You have to make sure thatyou're not letting in the people

(05:38):
you don't want in into ourcountry.
Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think that there certainly is a danger in a
society resting on their laurels, and I respect and admire what
this country was built on andthe way it was built and the
values that were instilled intoeven our founding documents and
just the founding idea of howthis country was even conceived

(06:04):
founding documents and just thefounding idea of how this
country was even conceived.
I respect the morals and valuesthat went into that thought
process and into why we evencame here to begin with and my
family are also immigrants butwe came here in 1630.
So I'd say the mid-1630s andnot to grandstand or get into
some position of you know, it'snot about oh, who's been here

(06:26):
the longest or who came when.
It's just more about the pointis we all came here at some
point, right?
I mean like obviously someonelived here long before us and
maybe even before them somebody.
Somebody lived here long beforethose people.
Right?
I mean lived here long beforethose people.

(06:47):
Right?
I mean what?
The Native Americans as we knowit today, a lot of them came up
from South America, up fromMexico and that area, but also
came across, I think, during thelast ice age.
They said that there was a landbridge that went across the
Bering Sea.
Apparently there's a shallowarea up there that at one point
in Earth's geology or whateverthat there was a land bridge and

(07:08):
a lot of the Native AmericanIndians have a heritage that is
shared with Siberia Like what wewould know is just modern day.
I don't know rural Siberians upin Russia, so it's just kind of
odd to think that at one point,I mean, people were just people
and they were going whereverthey could to follow the game
and crops and resources andfertile lands and water and to

(07:32):
avoid confrontation with othertribes.
And you know, it was very muchjust hey, we're going to go
wherever we can not have tocompete for resources with other
people as much.
Right, where are the landsfertile?
Where can we grow crops easily?
Where can we farm?
Where can we hunt?
Where can we have shelter?
Where can we have water?
I mean, those were the basicneeds.

(07:53):
There wasn't social media.
It was people who wereingrained in a day-to-day ritual
of survival that meant life anddeath and if you didn't do your
job right, your whole familywould die or your whole tribe
would die or two tribes wouldcome and take you over.
I mean, so life was much morehectic and dangerous back in

(08:13):
those days when we're talkinglike I guess, whatever you want
to call it, mesoamerica orwhatever the technical term for
that is, but when you're talkinglong before Europeans ever came
to America, you know, thisplace was, was pretty chaotic,
even in its own, and even thosepeople, those tribes, those
Indian tribes where we alwaystalk about the Native Americans

(08:34):
and how you know, oh well, youstole the Native Americans land
and stuff like that.
I get that argument Iunderstand, because literally I
understand how they feel like,yes, europeans came here and
kicked them off their land likeI get it.
But they were also very savageand tribal against each other as
well.
I mean like, oh yeah, there wasnothing stopping them from

(08:55):
taking over a weaker tribe orand trying to enslave a weaker
tribe or just outright destroythem and take their lands or
push them off their land, sothey were doing the same thing
to each other.
It just, yes, I understand thesort of scrutiny of, well, when
the shoe's on the other foot, itsure does hurt, right, like I
get that.
I'm not trying to say that it'sright or wrong.

(09:16):
Now, the American governmentreally treated the Indians like
shit.
They really did they did?
They treated the NativeAmericans like absolute crap and
I don't agree with that.
I think it's very terrible whatthe American government did to
the Native Americans.
You know I think it's terrible,but I consider myself a Native

(09:39):
American.
I mean, like, okay, do I lookthe part?
No, I'm not.
But I mean my family's beenhere since 1630.
I mean, at what point do I getto say, well, maybe I'm native.
You know, this is my home, thisis all I've ever known.
Right, there was a point thatsome Indian woke up one day and
said this is all I've ever knownand I could never imagine
looking over this land andthinking that it will never not

(09:59):
be ours to enjoy and be thestewards of and pass on to
future generations.
I mean, there's a point in aperson's life where they think,
okay, I'm going to die here, I'mgoing to be put in this ground
and this is all I'm ever goingto know, and that's okay for
that to be reality.
And think about earlier, matt,we were talking about the

(10:21):
Chinese, the Japanese, theKoreans.
I mean, look how long thosecultures have been around.
Right, the nuance of thesituation is do you think that
any of those people, matt wouldever, in a million years,
picture themselves to beimmigrants in any way.
Who's the immigrant?
Again back to the title of thepodcast.
Who's the immigrant?
Yeah, who's more of animmigrant?

(10:42):
Europeans, us or some othercultures in the world who've
been there?
Thousands?

Speaker 3 (10:49):
you know thousands of years, yeah, and their, their,
uh, you know civilization I'mgonna call it has bc after it.
So it's like, if you're talking, if you're from like a period,
from a civilization that has bcin name, you've been there a
while, yeah, and America as acountry is nowhere near that.

(11:11):
I think what?
Four or 500 years.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
We are a relatively young experiment, Matt.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
And I'm glad you brought up with the Native
Americans about how savage itwas, because even then they had
borders within their owncountries and they had to
respect those borders.
They were imaginary lines, theywere invisible lines and they
knew exactly where they could go.
They said, hey, we cannot gopast this, that is not our land.

(11:36):
And they respected that for themost part Some didn't.
Yeah, some didn't.
And for those that are inAmerica, it says, hey, we need
to let people across the border.
That's not how it works.
Like, you have to respect ourboundaries, you have to respect
our borders and we have to doour part to make sure that you
know everything is good.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
If we're going to let people into our tribe, yes, we
want to make sure they're notpeople who are going to poison
the tribe from within.
They.
We want to make sure they'renot people who are going to
poison the tribe from within.
They're not going to poison thewell, they're not going to be a
bad apple in the batch, they'renot going to hurt us.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
You obviously don't want to bring people into your
country who are going to causeyou harm who are going to and
you see the riots and theprotests in LA and you see a
bunch of people what is it?
They called it the no Kingsprotests, and you see everybody

(12:33):
out there waving every singleflag except the American flag,
and I'm sitting here watchingthese protests.
I'm like, all right, I see thiscountry, I see this country, I
see this country's flag, but Idon't see a single American flag
, not for a while.
They got smart and theyswitched to the American flag
after they started getting a lotof attention because they

(12:53):
realized the optics of thatlooking very bad.
So they were like, no, no, weneed to.
They started handing outAmerican flags because they were
like no, we don't want to seeall these other country flags
advocating for America becausethey're not Americans.
So when I see that, that lets meknow that those people haven't
assimilated, which is thebackbone, the basis of coming to

(13:16):
America, of being an Americanimmigrant.
It was like, hey, you come overhere and you assimilate and you
now are an American, you followthe American, I guess the
American culture.
And I remember when mygrandmother became an American

(13:38):
citizen, she was Japanese,korean.
So just to give you guys alittle bit of background about
my grandmother she was, she's,korean, but she was taken to
Japan during the whole conflict.
So she actually was raised inJapan, in Okinawa, as a Korean
woman, and after the wholeconflict, she went back to Korea

(14:01):
, but she never really feltKorean, because you had been
assimilated into Japaneseculture, which to be fair as a
type of culture, is veryconsuming and exacting.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
The Japanese are very precise on how they like things
to be done.
They're accepting of people butat the same time, like you're
going to speak their language,you're going to follow their
customs, you're going to followtheir rules and and if you don't
, they're very quick to just setyou aside.
And and they're very proud inthat way, like they want people

(14:35):
to be like them, like if youlive in Japan, you're going to
speak Japanese, you're going tofollow their customs.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Well, so just to, and I'll get back to the main point
, but I'm glad you brought thatup, because in korea and japan,
people praise japan and koreafor being a great place to go
and visit and they're so safeand they're so clean.
They're also racist, likeextremely racist, and I mean,
you'll never know it well, you,you will, you will, because

(15:04):
where else in America?
Tell me anywhere in Americawhere you can go and they can
refuse you service for not beingAmerican.
It doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
But if you go to Japan.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
If you go to Korea, they will straight up have signs
on the door that says noforeigners.
Really, yes, a hundred percent.
If you have tattoos any tattoosyou can't go to certain
establishments.
Oh boy, you can't use the bathhouses.
But, most importantly, if youare a foreigner in Japan or

(15:37):
Korea or a lot of other Asiancountries, they will tell you
they will refuse service andthey have the right to do that.
That is their country.
If that's the way they want toplay it, that's the way they
want to play it.
But at the same time, there'speople that are saying this is a
great country.
How can they be so great if theroot and the basis of their

(15:58):
culture is based on denyingservice to foreigners?
Imagine doing that in America.
You go to a restaurant and theygo no, we're not going to serve
you because you're not American.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
You brought up an idea earlier and I go back to
this thought that you made mehave about the optics of the no
Kings protests, whatever youwant to call it riots.
Well, let's just call itfreaking riots.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Call it what it is, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
That idea and how they were waving around every
single flag but ours.
But then, once they found thatthey had the political capital
and the political wind in theirsails, rather that they started
handing out American flags.
And isn't it so crazy how anidea will sort of hijack
something and ride its coattailsand create its own idea within

(16:49):
an idea.
And isn't that terrible to be awolf in sheep's clothes for
them to go.
Oh well, we've got to hand outAmerican flags now to make it
seem like average Americans areon board with all of this.
And it is crazy how, in history,so many movements have been
hijacked in that way.
It is crazy how, in history, somany movements have been
hijacked in that way.
And I think that long standing,long term Americans who've been

(17:16):
here for many generations, likemy family has and I'm not
saying that makes me moremutually exclusively able to
make this argument versussomeone who's maybe been here a
generation or two or or maybe asa as a first time immigrant.
My, my girlfriend was justnaturalized last year.
She's great and I'll tell youwhat she's one of the most
American freaking people youever meet.
I mean, she is based as helland you know she's from South

(17:37):
Brazil.
I mean down there they don'tplay around Like you can walk
out your front door and getmurdered, like down there you
have to be a survivor.
And she definitely has thatsort of that mentality of being,
you know, kind of you knowhardcore.
Yeah, and I like that about herand I think that it's just crazy
how so many people on my sideof the camp let's just say

(18:01):
someone who's even if no matterhow long you've been here, let's
just say someone who considersthemselves just, I don't know, a
multi-generational American,for lack of a better term yeah,
it's easy to look and say, well,you know, what are we really
worried about?
I think people are justgenerally worried about not
wanting their culture hijacked.
Right, and you were talkingabout how, when you assimilate

(18:24):
to a different culture like, sayyou, one of the guys I follow
on Instagram, he's one of thegunners at one of the castles
there.
He does all kind of blackpowder gunnery and all the
proper gear, like the kind ofearly, late samurai gear where
they were still using blackpowder match locks and he

(18:56):
assimilates to the culture.
He was in the UK, served intheir military in Afghanistan
and then moved to Japan.
And a Chinese family comes toAmerica.
They open up a Chineserestaurant or they have a
business, or there's always likea little section of every major
city.
That's what a Chinatown, right?
Yeah, there's always a littleChinatown, there's always a
little Koreatown, there might bea little German town, there

(19:18):
might be a Brazilian town or alittle area, right?
What do Americans do?
Do they say, oh, screw yourculture.
You have to come here and eatcheeseburgers and french fries
and screw your culinary wantsand your cultural wants?
No, america, is this reallycrazy and interesting mixing
basket of different cultures?

(19:38):
And part of that assimilationprocess is we accepting who you
are and we're not asking someoneto change who they are, to
change what their culture is andtheir favorite foods and
religion is not even that.
So, like Americans are superlaid back, like we're not asking
anyone to change who they are.
You know, hey, you believe whatyou believe, you like what you

(19:58):
like.
Uh, we enjoy that.
I think that a lot of AmericansI don't know if I speak for
everyone, but I speak for myselffor sure when I say that I
think it's awesome to go to aMexican restaurant and have a
little little Mexican lady inthe back preparing my freaking
food for me.
You know, I like going to anIndian restaurant and getting
some Indian cuisine and knowingthat some grandma's back there

(20:19):
making it or Italian or Chineseor Korean or Korean barbecue,
whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I think it's cool to be able to share in other
people's culinary culture.
I mean, what's wrong with that?
For people to you know?
Hey, they know their lane, theyknow what they're good at, they
love it, they run a business.
Let them run a business.
Who cares?
Let them do their thing.
I don't have a problem withthat at all.
I just think as long as theycome here and they vote sensibly

(20:47):
and they vote in a way thatdoesn't try to circumvent or
curtail the rights of the peoplewho already live here.
Who cares?
Let them do what they want.
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(23:33):
It struck with me because Ithink that most Americans they
don't want people to change whothey are.
They don't want people to comehere and just assimilate in the
way that, well, you have to goto the barbecues and church with
us and, you know, do everylittle thing that that I don't
know your stereotypical Americanwould do.
They don't even expect that.

(23:55):
They just expect for people tocome here and just not try to
drastically change what whatthis place is.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I think that's a huge thing is not trying to change
your new home to what your oldhome was.
And before we get too far along, I wanted to get back to my
grandmother because, for thosethat are listening might say, he
never got back to it, and Iwant to hear the end of the
story.
The end of the story is that assoon as she got her citizenship

(24:22):
, she was so happy, she was soproud, and then she made it a
point to make sure to celebratethose American holidays.
She was like, oh, thanksgiving.
She's a Japanese, korean, butshe loved Thanksgiving Because
it's just something that it'swhat Americans do.
Right, you're celebratingAmerica Fourth of July.

(24:44):
Those are the types of things,uh, 4th of July.
Like.
Those are the types of thingslike, yeah, she was.
She didn't really completelyunderstand, but she knew that.
Like, that's what Americans do.
Like we're here to celebrate4th of July Thanksgiving.
She was already a Christian, soit's like Christmas.
It didn't matter what countryit was, it was Christmas.
Um, but that's what you used tosee those people getting that

(25:04):
citizenship, being so proud anddoing things that they didn't do
before, that were American.
They were classic Americanaculture.
Like, oh, this is what we do inAmerica.
So and that and and you know toyour point, that's what you're
starting to see now is like isgoing the opposite way.
People from other countries arecoming over and I hate to say it

(25:29):
because I saw it drivingthrough a city on my way home,
and this is I mean I'm nottrying to say it's any bad, but
you go, you're driving and yousee like these food carts on the
intersection and they're kindof like run down but people are
like slinging food out of a foodcart and it's just it just

(25:50):
looks bad, right, and I'm likeit kind of looks like the scene
in sicario, where they're at theborder, and like you see the
people walking between carstrying to sell like random stuff
, like balloons and flowers, andthat's what it looked like.
This intersection.
It was just people walking upand down like selling random
accoutrements and I'm likeinteresting, this is looks like.

(26:13):
You know, this is probably whatyou're used to, this is
probably what you did to makemoney in your country.
So then when you get to thiscountry, you think you're going
to do the same thing.
That's what you don't want tohappen.
You want to do other stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, that's true, that's true.
It seems like I was going tosay something I forgot.
I lost my train of thought onwhat I was going to say.
When it comes to oh I was goingto mention, yeah, so the
culture shift like the whole,you know, experiencing someone
else's culture when they come toyour country.
You know, I wasn't aware of,like, some of the odd things

(26:49):
Well, not really odd things, butjust different things that like
the Brazilians do, and you know, of course, my girlfriend's
from Brazil.
So you know, bruna, you knowshe turned me on to these like
truffles they make, like thesechocolate truffles you make.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Oh dude, these chocolate truffles you make.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
oh dude, yes, we make these truffles and the way they
do hot dogs is really weird.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
I think I might have talked about before, but, like
the, hot dogs.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
They put like like spaghetti sauce on them.
It's like a hot dog withspaghetti sauce and like these
weird like little onion crumblesor like potato crumbles and
they put like peas and and andcorn on a hot dog and they eat
it like and and.
At first I thought, all right,this, what the heck is this?
But then I was like, damn, thisis pretty freaking good.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
And they put ketchup on pizza I always thought that
was kind of strange.
That's kind of 40 chests withthe peas and peas and corn on a
hot dog because you're gettingyour vegetables in like at the
same time, you're making it a awhole meal.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah and they're, and they have this, this like
disgusting gout tea, this greentea that they drink in this, in
this weird little cup with thisfunky little straw with a spoon
on it thing.
It's like a spoon with a filterand this like kind of weird,
like gout tea and it's like theworst tasting tea you could like
, you could ever drink and Ithink that's how you really feel

(28:07):
, right, but I, but I think theyjust sit around and like it's a
manly thing, Like you know howlike would you go black coffee.
Like the more disgusting andsyrupy it is like the more manly
you are.
It's like for them.
It's like they know it's awful,but it's like meant to be good.

(28:29):
It's meant to be completelyawful and it's not, you know,
but that's part of the culture.
It's kind of cool.
It's this interesting littlecup Dude.
It's like a gourd.
It's really neat.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Those truffles.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
They are so freaking, good man.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
And they come in different flavors.
I like the peanut one, likepeanut butter.
It's almost like a Reese's cup,but it's really good.
So I got exposed to those whenwe go to the jujitsu
competitions so we would go tothe IBJJF jujitsu competitions

(29:05):
and there would always be afamily.
They're competing, they'rethere competing, but they will
bring a whole carton of thesehomemade truffles and they sell
them in, like you know, sixpacks or 12 packs, and they sell
out every time and they're justabsolutely amazing.
They're not super sweet,they're kind of like this
perfect balance of likesweetness and like not sweet but
it's really good, I enjoy them.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
yeah, they take uh condensed milk, yeah, and they
use like only a little bit oflike regular milk and a little
sugar and they do some um cocoapowder yeah, they do.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Like they have like a tres leches version where it's
like all like the caramel.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, they're pretty good.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
No, they're good pretty good, it ain't bad.
They're kind of banging alittle diabetes.
You know I'm gonna lie them.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Truffles, truffles are banging yep, but anyway, um,
getting back to the, let's justsay, the beans and bullets here
is that again, people have thisissue with immigration and
again there's always this nuancethat you have to apply to the
situation, and that's all we'retrying to apply here is nuance,
like you always hear people saythat America was built on

(30:10):
immigrants, by immigrants.
I mean, that's true, europeansweren't originally from here.
Right, they came here.
Sure, europeans were maybe,let's just say, the first to
come here, but it was a longline of people who eventually
made this place their home andall contributed something of
their own accord.
And, of course, america'shistory is very unique too in

(30:30):
that we have the whole slaverything, and we were founded as a
country at a time when slaverywas a common practice in the
world, very prolific, and notjust here, but everywhere.
Okay, and it is worth notingthat we were one of the first
countries to abolish the conceptof slavery early on, we were an

(30:55):
early abolisher of slavery, andslavery continued around the
world in many, many places.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I just mentioned my grandmother.
She was a comfort woman forJapan, so they took her from
Korea to Japan and that was nota willingful move move.
So it happens, it's all aroundthe world.
I think that you're right.
America did abolish slaverymuch sooner than a lot of other

(31:21):
countries did.
It doesn't change the fact thatit happened.
But at the same time, itdoesn't change the fact that it
happened.
But at the same time, americawas built and the saying I'm
going to preface this the sayingis that America was built on

(31:44):
the backs of immigrants and Idon't find that to be completely
true.
I think there was a lot ofbuy-in from everybody really,
because, I mean, think about it,it was you had well at that
time, everybody, for the mostpart, was immigrants.
You had, like, that big Irishpopulation, scottish population,
a lot of Irish came in, 1.5.
So the TranscontinentalRailroad in California, 90% of

(32:04):
their workforce Look it up 90%of the Transcontinental or
Pacific Railways building thetranscontinental railroad, 90%
were Chinese immigrants.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And a lot of those people stayed in the gold rush
too.
They were there to deal with.
They were trying to get goldand all that too.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Now California has the highest population of
Chinese people.
I think it's like 1.5% ofcurrent California population is
1.5% Chinese.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Which has a lot of people, because California has a
lot of people living inCalifornia.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Over 4 million people , and that all came from all the
way back in the early 1900s1800s, when they were building
the railroad out to connect theeast and west uh, railroads, um,
so really, at that point intime, everybody was immigrants.
So, um, with that being said,what is it at now currently?

(33:00):
So why are people even havingthis argument?
Why are people so againstimmigration?
Because we're talking, we'vebeen talking about stuff in the
past, right, oh, like 1800s,1900s, yeah, well, early 1900s.
Yeah, we can look at the bullin the room now.
So now we're at.
Okay, it's 2025.
Right, why are people?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
so upset about it.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Why are people up in arms about immigration now?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, Joe Biden's policies were certainly not
helpful.
He let in more illegalimmigrants than any president in
history and we had more peoplecome through in that period of
time than have ever come in in atimeframe that short, probably,
in American history period thatwas brutal.
He created a very disastroussituation by his lax border

(33:49):
policies.
Now, he created a verydisastrous situation by his lax
border policies.
Now one can argue any way theywant, but at the end of the day,
we've seen some definitenegative connotations with this
just open border policy thatDemocrats seem to have during

(34:09):
Joe Biden administration, andwe've seen what the Venezuelan
gang members that took over theapartment building in Colorado.
We've seen murders, rapes, carwrecks, drug trafficking, human
trafficking, flesh trafficking,sex trafficking you name it
Every sin that you couldpossibly imagine.
I believe I saw in the headlinesthat some 90 to 110 Iranian

(34:31):
people were detained over thelast week or so.
A few of them were snipers inthe Iranian military.
Yeah, I read that as well, andthey had mentioned that Iran had
made the threat that there weresome potential sleeper cells in
the United States.
And honestly, I'm going toprobably say something that's
going to make some people angry,but the truth is you have to
say this because it's just thetruth, right?

(34:53):
There's not a country on thisplanet that doesn't have sleeper
cells here.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Okay, look at all the Chinese buying up farmland
close to military bases, allaround military bases, and that
seems rather odd to me.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Okay, are they buying the land near the military
bases so that they can stagedrone attacks?
Are they buying land nearmilitary bases so they can
tunnel under the base and sneakin and obtain secrets?
Who knows, who freaking knows?
But the truth is that shouldnot make the State Department

(35:28):
comfortable.
It shouldn't make anyonecomfortable for that to happen.
Is that to say that theIsraelis don't have sleeper
cells here?
You better believe they do.
They probably have hundreds,probably in every city, probably
with the blessings of our veryown government.
Oh yeah, Don't think for onesecond.
There's not 100 Mossad peoplewithin 150 miles of you at any
one given time.
Probably are within 150 milesof you at any one given time.

(35:51):
Probably are, so to say.
Is that this Iranian threat ofsleeper cells?
Is it unique to Iran?
No, it's not.
Every country, if they're smart, they're going to have some
people operating within thecountry.
That's how spy games work.
The war of information, thediscomfort and misinformation of
war, Like war, ismisinformation.

(36:12):
War is how, how well you canlie, how well you can deceive,
how well you can destroy to youknow.
To simply say that war issimply or or or it's.
It's way too simple, simplisticto say that war is, you know,
one man versus another with agun and whoever wins wins.
It's not quite that simple.

(36:32):
War is about who controls theinformation, who can deceive the
other person, who can make them.
You know, it's a game of chessand as much as I hate to use
that stereotype because I knowchess is used as a stereotype to
describe the fog of war but thereality is any country, any
country, who you know values,who they are, and I'm not saying

(36:55):
that we should just allowIranian people to walk across
the border, I'm not suggestingthat.
I'm just saying that anycountry worth their salt has got
some people here with eyeballs,and we do too.
If you think for one second, wedon't have Americans everywhere
keeping an eye on things frombehind the shadows, Right?
Whether it's the CIA, whetherit's probably the CIA, you know

(37:17):
the CIA is kind of our eyeballs.
You know, someone dressed inplain clothes can just go
wherever, live, wherever, have afake, you know ID and alias and
blend in and just observe, youknow, and that, okay, Are there
many people from all differentcountries that aren't here in
that capacity?
They're probably.
They've probably seen you atsome point.

(37:38):
They've seen me at some point,They've reported on something.
Simply blending an eye and justseeing what's going on, Is that
, is that harmful?
Well, depending on what theysee, it could be.
But can you really blamesomeone?
I mean just protecting your ownsovereignty in a way to gather

(37:59):
information, I think that's agreat point.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
I'm not saying I condone it think like that and
they're also thinking well, alot of these immigrants are
while they come through Mexico.
They're not necessarily fromMexico and this actually, when I
dug into it, blew me away.
So you're seeing a large numberof Africans.

(38:25):
You're seeing a large number ofIndians.
You're seeing a large number ofIndians not American Indians,
indians from India coming inthrough Mexico using the Mexican

(38:51):
government like governmentasylum or religious persecution
or whatever it may be, and Ithink the biggest issue that
I've seen with lawmakers- arethat Want?
some coffee.
I'm good.
The biggest thing is that theway that asylum works is you're

(39:19):
supposed to stop at the closestcountry.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
That will give you safe harbor will keep you safe.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
It's not a free enterprise to choose where you
want to go.
Right, you don't get to choosewhere your asylum is, it's just
to get out of the danger zone tobe safe.
It's just to get out of thedanger zone to be safe.
So when you look at CentralAmerica as a whole, I mean if
you're coming from El Salvador,nicaragua, honduras, you have to
go through Guatemala, you haveto go through Belize, you have
to go through Mexico.

(39:42):
Mexico is big man.
I know people don't considerMexico being a huge country.
That is a long country.
Man Like that is a long trek.
A lot of cartel work too.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
So I mean Right, a lot of money has to change hands
.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yes, but here's the thing A lot of money does change
hands to get them into the US.
So it's not that necessarilymoney is the issue, because if
they have enough money to getfrom their home country into the
US, they have enough money tomake a new life wherever they
may want.
That's still safe.
That was my biggest gripe isthat you can't use that as an

(40:23):
excuse to say, hey, I want torequest asylum in America.
You don't get to do that, right?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
So I will say that if I lived somewhere and maybe
this is hard for me to saybecause I've lived in America my
whole life and I think thatthere is a certain amount of
laurels that we rest on asAmericans that we rest on as
Americans.
If you're a fifth, sixth,seventh generation American,
you've been here forever.
This is all you've ever known.
It's easy to just kind of willupon the silver spoon mentality

(40:59):
of resting on your laurels andnever knowing what the outside
is like and having this sort ofcut off view of the world.
And a lot of Americans who fitinto that category, they're very
ignorant of things that havegone on in the world, they're
ignorant of world history,they're ignorant of other world
cultures in the world, and somewould say that that in itself is

(41:22):
kind of a superpower, in thatif you can insulate yourself in
such a way that you don't evencare what's going on in the rest
of the world, then I would saythat's a pretty successful
country If you can buy your gunand have your freedom and come
and go as you please and survivewell, but not just survive but
thrive.
If you're in that category, onecould understand why someone

(41:46):
would want to come here.
I mean, obviously, this placeis amazing.
I've had the privilege and luckof being born here and living
here for 40 years.
I mean, I've been here all thistime.
I love it, I love America.
So, with that being said, if Ilive somewhere else, would I
want to come to America?
You're dang right, I'd want tocome to America.
You know what I mean,especially while we are very

(42:08):
ignorant of other culturesaround the world generally.
I'm not saying all Americansare ignorant to other people's
cultures.
I try to consider myself to bea pretty cultured person.
I try to really understandwhere other people are coming
from and try to understand thenuance of people that aren't
like me.
And I know that's not a traitthat's generally associated with
right-wing people becausethey're quick to judge, they're

(42:29):
quick to go.
Well, but me, you know and I getthat.
But is that to say that youknow, when it comes to
understanding cultures fromaround the world, that you know
they don't deal with the samething, that other people you
know come here and assimilate toour culture?

(42:50):
You know they look at ourculture and they go wow.
People you know come here andassimilate to our culture.
You know they look at ourculture and they go wow, man,
you know, I think about the wayJapanese people perceive
Americans.
You know the cowboy, you know,and like cigarettes and Westerns
and revolvers, like and youknow it's funny because, um, my
girlfriend actually speaksfluent Japanese- she speaks very
good Japanese.

(43:10):
She won a Japanese uh speakingspeech contest and it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, Brazil has the largest population of Japanese
outside of Japan.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Interesting.
Yeah, yeah, well, where she'sfrom, she was telling me there's
a lot of Japanese that go there.
But the point I'm making isthat when it comes to you know
different cultures coming here,they have a certain view of
Americans that it may bestereotypical, it may be true,
it may not be true, but theyalways seem to know about us and

(43:41):
we sometimes don't always seemto know about them, and I find
that to be interesting.
How you know the Americanculture, whether people like it
or not, whether it's a positiveattribute or a negative
attribute.
It's like the whole world lovesand respects American culture,
even if it's the bad parts ofthe culture.
Right, like you got peoplearound the world that love that

(44:03):
rap culture and the murderculture and like that whole thug
culture.
But then you got people who,who love the.
You know right wing trad wife,you know uber Christian culture.
Or you know there's so manydifferent little mixing pots
within America that you can kindof choose somewhere to go.
It's like choosing your ownadventure.
Like, well, land inPennsylvania, you got the

(44:24):
Pennsylvania Dutch.
You know.
Land in Georgia, you gotrednecks.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
You know land in Florida, you got rednecks.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, I was like worse rednecks Right.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I mean.
So there is so much diversityin America that there really is
somewhere kind of for everybody.
And as much as I don't want tosound like a person who's like,
oh, open the borders and justlet everybody in, I'm not
suggesting that, I'm just sayingthat, culturally, who we are is
so diverse that it appeals topeople all around the world.
People, I think, love andrespect American culture for

(44:56):
that reason, because our cultureis essentially a byproduct of
our acceptance of other people'scultures and people tend to
forget that and I thinkespecially a lot of people on
the right don't tend to respectthat as much when they say, well
, throw all the immigrants out.
Do you really believe that?
Do you really believe that?
Do you really believe that?
I don't think you reallybelieve that.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yeah, and I don't, I agree.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
MS-13 a gang member, a cartel person who's murdering
people.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Get their asses out of here.
But do you really believe that?
Do you really believe that thelittle lady who's been cleaning
hotel rooms for 25 years'sillegal?
Do you really want her kickedout of your country?
Do you look yourself in themirror, ask you that?
Do you really want to kick herout?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
you're not abuela, not little abuela, she's nice
little old lady.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I mean, there's gonna be some people don't agree with
me on that, and that's fine,they don't have to agree.
But I just think it's absurd.
If someone's been contributingto society, working hard, doing
something, okay, yeah, theydon't have legal status.
But if they've been here for 25years and they ain't hurt us
all, who are they really?

Speaker 3 (46:03):
hurting, so it's always a hard thing to do.
I, I would imagine there has tobe in the future that you know
saying, oh, we're going to.
What is that term?
When they give everybodyAmnesty, they're going to.
Yes, sorry, I had a brain fart,it's okay.
They're going to provide amnesty, I think there is going to have

(46:26):
to be a way for them to providethat to someone and to your
point, if you've been here for25 years, you never cause
trouble.
Maybe it could fall undersomething like common law If
you're not married in America.
For those of you that areoutside of America, if you live
with somebody a significantother, and you're not married,

(46:49):
but you might live with them forsix years, your common law
marriage is what that's referredto, so you still get the
benefits and all of the lawsstill apply to you because
you've lived that way for acertain amount of time.
It could be very similar towhat they provide to Abuela

(47:11):
that's been working here for 25years.
That didn't cause any trouble.
She pays her taxes on a tax IDnumber and she does what she
does and they say, hey, we'regoing to do that.
Common law citizenship orcommon law green card or
something?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Or even if she doesn't pay taxes, does she make
enough money cleaning hotelrooms that the amount of money
in taxes that she hasn't paidoffsets in some negative way the
contributions that she's made?
Okay, so someone can say well,what contributions, eric?
Cleaning hotel rooms?

(47:45):
Yeah, cleaning hotel roomsBecause you don't want to do it,
yeah, that's a sucky job.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
You don't want to do it, no.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
So I don't see very many American women lining up to
clean hotel rooms.
Now, I'm not saying that's nottrue, because it is.
There are American women thatdo it.
But come on, there are certainjobs that Americans simply don't
want to do.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Let's just and whether it's from them being
spoiled or being entitled orbeing afraid of work.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
The point is is that if they want to do the dang job,
let them do the job.
I mean there's people workingfarms.
I think I read somewhere thatsome 80% of privately owned farm
labor legal immigrants.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Well, that's why they just I think Trump just about
faced on that bill.
Yeah, they about faced on it.
In California they had a bunchof the freaking farmer lobbyists
.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Come to them and go look, buddy, I know you think
you got this going on, but Idon't think you realize just how
many people there ain't goingto be enough food to supply
America.
So you know, be careful what youwish for.
I mean again.
What I say is that, in thecontext of today's show, it's
all about nuance.
It's all about understandingthat there is some middle ground
, and that middle ground may notbe comfortable for people to

(48:58):
approach.
Instead of a middle ground, itbecomes a no man's land, full of
mines and barbed wire and deathand bodies.
They're so afraid to step footin there and even have a talk,
instead of having a little bitof a peace for a moment.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
And that's the issue.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
There's so much strife within society, Everyone
gets in their camps and theyjust.
They want to become sotribalistic with their views
that they can't accept beingwrong.
They can't accept new ideas.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
It's hard to use discretion on something like
this, because it can be twistedand turned to one or the other's
advantage and one side mightsay well, you said it was okay
for 25-year-old or 25-year-longlawbreaker to stay in the
country.
What's the difference betweenthis and this person that just
crossed the border?

(49:48):
And then I get it it is thesame, but it's not the same.
And the optics are the sameit's the it's like if somebody
says hey, what's the differencebetween stealing one thing and
stealing another?

Speaker 2 (50:01):
like if you're really hungry you steal food, but then
you go and you steal somethingthat you don't really need, like
they're both stealing someonewould say well, by that argument
, eric, then the person who'sgot face tattoos and hand
tattoos and is a you know,committed multiple murders and
just hasn't has gotten away withit for the last 25 years that
they should get amnesty too.
It's like this is like this is.
These are two different people.

(50:22):
These are two different people.
One that is harming activelyharming society, actively,
contributing to very negative,very negative things, such as
fentanyl crossing the border,which has killed hundreds of
thousands of Americans over thelast decade.
Yeah, it started coming in.
I mean, fentanyl is a verydeadly drug.
So you're talking a fentanyldealer who brings a whole

(50:45):
backpack of fentanyl across theborder, which one backpack of
fentanyl can kill like a wholecity Easily Right, like a whole
city easily right.
So you're talking a verypowerful drug that even one mule
can bring enough, oh my god, tohave disastrous consequences.
So you're saying the personthat's bringing that destructive
poison in the country is thesame person as the little old

(51:05):
lady who's been cleaning hotelrooms for for 20 years.
I'm not gonna buy that.
That is not the same person.
This is not the same person.
I agree, but these people on theright and look, I'm on the
right.
So some of my own colleagues,some of the people that I agree
with on many, many things, saythat those two people should be

(51:26):
treated the same.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
And I disagree.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I don't think they should.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Because you have common sense Right.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
You have to understand, Right, you know, you
have to understand that, Look,there's a pecking order.
You know there's a peckingorder in life and you know, if
you're going to accept certaincomforts and luxuries, living a
certain way, right, then you'regoing to have to sometimes turn
your turn your eye to somethings that technically might be

(51:53):
illegal yeah, it's calleddiscretion, it's called
discretion, I mean it's calledfreaking discretion.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
As much as people say you have to be fair and do
things by the book, like youalways use discretion in
everything there's always somelubricity yep in.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
you know how hard stance you're going to be on a
certain issue.
I think that's the truth of howpeople view certain topics that
they might disagree with otherson.
I think online they're going totake this sort of poisonous,
crazy direct stance on somethingand then they're just going to
have this line in the sand sortof stance.
But I think you get that sameperson in a room, like you and I

(52:32):
are right now, and you reallyspend some time picking apart
and talking about the issue athand.
I think a lot of people do tendto have a little bit more fluid
view of certain issues at hand.
I mean, we've seen it firsthand,they're just afraid to admit it
online because they don't wantto get accused of being oh,
you're this, you're that?
You get called every name inthe book if you simply just try

(52:54):
to apply some nuance to thesituation.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Or the opposite.
They are very hardline stanceon one specific thing and they
don't want to agree that maybethere is some lubricity or some
discretion to be had, becausethey don't want to look like
they're eroding their ownargument.
So you see it both ways, andI've run into the latter more
often than not.
Like you see, guys that arejust like nope, this is what I

(53:19):
said, this was my statement, I'msticking to it.
You get them away from thecameras or you get them away
from everybody else and they'relike no, I'm a little bit more
down to earth, this is how Ireally feel and I'm just like
man.
That's completely differentthan what, what your persona is.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I can't tell you how many times I've had discussions
with people where the camerasaren't running and it's like,
wow, this person is completelydifferent.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yeah, they seem like a normal person.
Yeah, it's wild, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
And it's so funny that, like so many people will
accuse me, for instance andagain, I don't ever want to make
anything about me, but I'm justgoing to mention this because
it's about me in this particularsituation I'm sure you've ran
into this type of situation aswell in life is that so many
people have accused me of?
Well, eric, you just have thisvery narrow view of society

(54:07):
based on the fact that you likeguns and that's simply that's it
, that everything is strictlyunder the lens of the Second
Amendment and nothing more, andthat your personality is null
and void unless it has somethingto do with the Second Amendment
.
Oh well, eric, I'm only goingto listen to you on things that
involve the Second Amendment andeverything else.
You're just completely batshitcrazy on.

(54:28):
Yep, that's not true.
Right my views.
Everyone thinks, because ofwhat I've done for a living for
the last 16 years, because I'mso involved with guns, that guns
is all I care about.
And oh my God, if you could bea fly on the wall in my life
every day, you would actuallyfind that it could be nothing
further than the truth.
I'm such a freaking eccentricperson, dude, I watch weird ass

(54:52):
B, like B movies of like randomyou know, old school movies.
Like I love old horror films.
Like I love jazz music.
I love, like you know, freakingI.
I play music at a high level.
I understand music theory.
I can have a high leveldiscussion about music theory.
Like I love fishing, I lovehunting, I love being outdoors.

(55:14):
I mean obviously love thoseredneck things.
But I'm also like a cultureperson that you know I'll go to
a museum.
You know, like everyone hasthis narrow window of thinking
that, well, gun owners, justsome moron in the woods with
overalls, it's like that seemsto be this stereotypical image
that is drawn.
Yeah, owners, and it's so funnythat that I get thrown into that

(55:35):
all the time and they go.
Well, you have your, yourexpertly crafted narrow window
of of expertise and you knownothing about anything else.
And that's just so far from thetruth, like they have no idea
who I really am it's true,because that can be a superpower
, but it can also like to kindof really tie in this whole show
.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Today it's like people are so quick to just be
very judgmental about someone insome narrowly focused way that
it's just completely unrealisticit's true, and I mean, guys, if
you were ever like, if you wereever in the same room with eric
and I were hanging out.
We don't even talk about guns,it never comes up.
It's always about somesomething else other than

(56:16):
anything like anything but guns,you know.
And yeah, it's just wildbecause I, I completely
understand what.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, I love firearms don't think for one second.
Look, I'm a hardcore freakinggun guy.
If I ever ran for office, youain't gotta worry about me going
and buying some freaking AR offthe rack with no sights on it
and going see you on AR.
No, I'm going to have my beat upfreaking Daniel Defense or my
beat up SCAR with crap all overit.
My guns, you know, are beingused.

(56:44):
You know what I mean.
There ain't going to be nodoubt about my stuff's right,
but this is so crazy how peopleagain know we've talked to in
other shows about it.
Man, like people are sofreaking tribal and they're so
incendiary in their views and Ijust if I could just impart any
knowledge or wisdom or advice orjust have any wishes about

(57:06):
society, it would just be thatpeople just chill the hell out
and just apply some damn nuanceto everything.
Don't be so freaking stuck up.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah, don't be a-holes.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, nobody likes that person.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Nope, we don't want to be around you.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
You want to be liked, but it's okay to be stern in
your views and be solidified inyour views, but no one likes a
jerk either.
You've got to be fun to bestern in your views and be
solidified in your views, but noone likes a jerk either.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
you know you gotta be fun to be around well, you can
always tell the people thatdidn't get a lot of attention
growing up, because they say themost wild off the wall stuff
just to get a reaction andyou're like really yeah, and
it's not merited like it's justnow.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I say some off the wall stuff, okay, I do.
I say some off the wall stuff,but OK, I do.
I say some off the wall stuff,but I'm not doing it for
attention.
Look, everyone thinks that Ilight a dumpster fire on Twitter
and that I'm doing it to elicitsome reaction, or that I'm
doing it for views or clicks.
I don't care.
I think that's why those postsdo well, because I don't care.

(58:10):
I really don't, and I just I'mgoing to say what I want to say
and I'm going to be unique in myviews and I'm going to.
I'm going to think like anindividual.
I'm not.
I'm not going to tow the partyline that's so boring, like I
can't stand conformity.
I'm a non-conformist.
I don't like the normiementality.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
I always want to think.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I want to be on the fringe.
I don't ever want to be in thepen with all the cows.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Speaking of the whole toe the party line, that thing
with Massey and Trump going onright now, dude, oh my God, wow,
they've been throwing punchesthis morning I actually saw.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
So the time that we're filming this podcast.
By the way, this is July 1st,so this won't drop till the 7th,
but this morning I I noticedthat elon had tweet tweeted out
to massey that he's going to becontributing to his campaign, so
oh it looks like uh, elon, elonmusk is going to be throwing
some more bucks in the hat formass he's doing that just to get
.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
He's doing that just to get back at trump, you know
what.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I don't care how we get the victory.
Look, aipac spent a lot ofmoney running a lot of negative
ads against Massey here lately,so it's going to be interesting
to see the Warbucks come from.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Musk.
I'm a fan of Massey dude.
I like him.
I like Rand Paul.
I think they both were verynon-traditional politicians.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
They're rhinos, but in the right way, like we need
more people like them in theRepublican party to balance out
the Republican party, make themactually constitutional.
You know whether or not someoneis Republican or Democrat.
You know if they honor theconstitution, if they honor who
we are as people, I can getbehind them.

(59:54):
Now I'd probably never vote fora Democrat.
It'd have to be one charmingDemocrat, let's put it that way.
But I'd never vote for aDemocrat.
But I expect the people thatare in power they're Democrats
should be able to come acrossthe aisle and look at things
constitutionally.
It's okay to have a two-partysystem if both the parties
actually care about America andour rights and the constitution.

(01:00:16):
That's not the case.
There's only a small handful ofpeople on the Hill that are
actually principled people, andI guess we'll just end today's
show.
I know we didn't really want togo on this rabbit hole.
We're kind of getting towardsthe end of today's show, but
we'll leave this with this finalthought about Massey.
If they're throwing so much mudat Massey, I think what that

(01:00:41):
really tells us is that theyknow whether it's because of AI,
machine learning, and, trust me, they know what people are
thinking.
I think a lot more people thinklike Massey than you think, than
the average person thinks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I would agree, I think a lot of people think like
him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
They're like why the hell are we doing this?
Why are we doing that?
Why does this bill have to beone giant bill of crap?
Why can't we vote on eachindividual item separately so
that we know where everybodystands?
Otherwise, you're just going tohave a giant swamp full of
snakes and you never know who'sa snake and who isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
So I wish the best to massey.
I mean, I I think he's a veryprincipled person.
I know massey.
I've had the pleasure hangingout with him.
I've drank bourbon with massey.
He's a great guy.
He is a.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
He is the most down-to-earth politician you
will ever meet and I tell youwhat he is a salt of the earth
guy.
I support him because he didn'tever intend to actually be a
politician, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
That's why.
That's what's so crazy about it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
It was a joke, it was a prank that failed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Look, massey has had a rough couple of years, man.
It's been rough on him.
He lost his wife.
I can only imagine what's goingthrough his head Now.
He feels like all these peopleturn their back on him.
The president, I mean not thatMassey gives a crap what Trump
thinks, but you got your ownpresident turn their back on you
.
It's going to affect a man in acertain way, but he's always

(01:02:02):
been.
He's in a dark place, but Ithink that he's also in a place
where he really feels empowered,that he's doing the right thing
.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Well, that's the thing that he knows.
What he's saying is the truth.
He brings receipts man Likethat's why he's always been good
about that, bringing receiptssaying, hey, this is what it is,
small government.
We're spending this, we'relosing this much money.
It's unsustainable, like it iswhat it is I know God bless him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
I mean, you know I got to get massy back on the
channel and check in with him.
See how you know a little bro,check, make sure everything's
good yeah but um, I think we hitthe nail on the head pretty
good on today's show.
You know, I really wanted tolike who are the immigrants?
We all are, aren't we?
We all came from somewhere.
I like to think of America asthe bastion of red-headed

(01:03:02):
stepchildren.
We're the place where all thepeople who don't fit in with
society go.
If you think about it in thatway, I think it becomes much
more sensible and pragmatic.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
We are where the people from around the world who
don't fit in with society go tofigure out who their people are
, and I think that's the bestway.
That's my view of it.
That's how I view Americanculture.
We are the misfits, we are therebels and misfits, and we are
the people that don't belonganywhere and we do it freelyfits
.
And we're the people that don'tbelong anywhere and we do it
freely.
And we, yeah, and we do it well.

(01:03:36):
Don't lose sight of that, okay,no matter what you hear on on
all of these social mediaplatforms, use your damn brain,
you know, think, think for asecond what's really going on.
I think you'll see your viewsare a lot more fluid than you,

(01:03:56):
than you probably think they are.
Well, I really appreciateeverybody tuning in.
Remember, guys, we drop anepisode every Monday at 9
o'clock Eastern Standard Time,if I remember to actually turn
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I usually upload the show.
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Big thanks to Lisa for editingthe show and also she takes care
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My girlfriend, bruna, takescare of all the thumbnails on
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So some of you have commentedabout some of the clever

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So that's, that's the girlsthat handle that.
So big thanks to them.
But Lisa sends me over the show, I upload it and then I
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So, matt, any final thoughts?

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
No, I think we did a great job.
Had a good conversation aboutimmigration where it started,
why it started where it is now,why people are against it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Did you bring some kimchi today?

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
No, I did not bring any.
You didn't bring any homemadekimchi.
I can't appropriate yourculture, Matt oh man you can't
appropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Isn't that any homemade kimchi?
No, I didn't bring any.
I can't appropriate yourculture, matt.
Oh man, you can't appropriate.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Isn't that what we do ?
No, no, I brought a samuraisword, though.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
So is Caucasian kimchi.
Caucasian kimchi, is it not asspicy?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
They actually do have a white kimchi, really.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Yeah, it's white.
It has no spicy, it's more likea pickle.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
It actually tastes very good.
It's very popular.
Is it Very popular?
Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Okay, so all right.
But just to be clear, I don'twant the Caucasian kimchi.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
I want the straight up.
Burn your butthole out, kimchi.
I got you the real spicy stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
I'll bring it down.
All right, guys, thanks so muchfor tuning in.
Have a great See you soon.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Adios everybody.

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