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The moral case for gun ownership transcends political divides and challenges mainstream narratives about armed citizens. When we examine the human condition throughout history, one pattern emerges clearly: violence has always been more common than peace. Against this backdrop, firearms represent something profound—they're the great equalizer that allows every citizen, regardless of size, strength, or status, to stand on equal footing.
What makes the pro-gun position morally superior? It's simple: those who advocate for universal gun rights are advocating for true equality. As we discuss in this episode, if someone claims to value equality but doesn't want everyone to have equal ability to defend themselves, what they actually want is a monopoly on violence. Nothing could be further from genuine equality.
The most telling aspect of responsible gun ownership is the fervent hope never to use your weapon. Most carriers view their firearms as tools of absolute last resort—something to be drawn only when all other options have disappeared. This restraint, having power but choosing not to use it unless necessary, represents true strength of character. We explore how the armed citizen isn't looking for trouble but stands ready to protect what matters when trouble arrives uninvited.
The data consistently shows that areas with higher legal gun ownership experience less crime. We examine how Constitutional carry has now passed in 30 states, creating the strongest Second Amendment protections in American history, despite mainstream narratives suggesting rights are being eroded. The case of Kennesaw, Georgia—where household firearm ownership is mandated by ordinance—demonstrates how an armed populace creates one of metropolitan Atlanta's safest communities.
Whether you're a longtime Second Amendment supporter or someone curious about the deeper philosophy behind firearms freedom, this episode provides a thoughtful, principled examination of why being pro-gun truly represents the moral high ground. Ready to challenge your thinking or reinforce your convictions? Listen now.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt and thisis Life, liberty and the Pursuit
, your beacon of freedom and theAmerican way of life.
Tune in every Monday for a newepisode as we dive into the
world of liberty and what makesour country great.
All right, boys and girls,welcome back.
This is Eric and Matt here withLLP, and I hope everybody has
had a fantastic week.
We're coming at you hot Today'sshow.
(00:21):
We're going to be talking aboutmorals.
Nice, we're coming at you hotToday's show.
We're going to be talking aboutmorals.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Nice, we have those right.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, sometimes it depends and why being pro-gun is
the moral high ground.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I can see that I can, definitely more so now than
before.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah.
So there's obviously a lot ofthings we're going to pick apart
and talk about in today's show.
We're going to talk about gunsquite a bit and you know, just
so people can kind of get anidea here, you know, I guess
some housekeeping, so to speak.
We do touch on a lot ofdifferent subjects here on LLP,
you know, sometimes we talkabout politics, sometimes we
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talk about world events,sometimes we'll talk about just
stuff going on in our life.
So this is a variety show wherereally anything goes in terms
of the type of stuff that wemight cover.
But today is pretty muchstrictly guns.
So we're going to be discussingthat quite a bit and getting
into the weeds on this and whybeing pro-gun is the moral high
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ground.
And you look at so much ofculture and history, and the
history of mankind is steeped inviolence.
And when you look at peace inthe context of, let's just say,
the human condition and humanhistory, peace is way more rare
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than violence is.
And violence, it seems to bethe talking point, it's the
negotiating point, is ourability to carry out violence
against others and it's whatmade people who they are today.
And you know it's weird tothink about Matt, that you are a
product of the strongest andmost viable people who came
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before you.
The weak people died right.
The weak people were conquered,they were taken over.
Like to think that the personyou are, the weakest, most
terrible person you ever meetwas still the strongest, somehow
somewhere in the history oftheir ancestry.
And it's odd to think how wegot here, why we got here, what
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allowed us to soldier on andcome to the point in the quest
that we are right now, matt, andit's weird to think that
history really is.
You know about who's been thebest killers, and it's not about
who could live the mostpeacefully.
It's about who was the most thebest at committing violence
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towards people.
And when we talk about pro-gunbeing the moral high ground,
what do we really mean?
What are we really referring towhen we talk about being
pro-gun from a moral sense, andthat moral sense being that you
hold the high ground morallybecause you're pro-gun?
Why would we come to thatconclusion?
What would your take on that be?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I think right now the biggest thing is, you know,
outrage culture, which, in thisparticular instance, works out
for the first time ever in gunowners favors, because it's
always been oh it's.
You want to have some type ofoutrage against something.
Well, now the outrage is I wantmy guns.
(03:45):
Like, don't take my guns away.
So now you're starting to see alot of people that previously
and this is just my takepreviously would not have been
so outspoken about, you know,firearms.
Now that, um, you know it'sokay to have outrage against
stuff, they're willing to stepup and say, hey, don't take my
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guns, don't change any laws asit stands.
People like to say that theSecond Amendment is being eroded
, non-popular opinion and fact.
The Second Amendment isactually stronger now than it
has ever been in the past, withconstitutional carry being
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passed to 30 states back moreand more of our rights, albeit
not the ones that everybodywants, like the machine guns,
the NFA, the suppressors, theshort, sbrs, sbss.
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That's been a hard fight.
That's a hard fight, but foreverything else we have a
stronger standing right now withour two-way rights than we've
ever had ever.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I think that that's an astute way to look at it.
I mean, I think anyone who'spaying attention certainly sees
that there's never been more ofan appetite for the Second
Amendment in the history of theUnited States, and I think that
it even gets to a point where,all right, there was probably a
point in the history of theUnited States where people just
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went about their day and ownedguns and didn't think anything
of it.
There wasn't a such thing as,like gun laws and gun control
and people you know politicianspassing laws that had to do with
a person's firearms.
Okay, now the owner of thesaloon, for instance, you know,
if he said, hey, I don't wantguns in my place of business, ok
(05:46):
, well, if you're on privateproperty and that person doesn't
want you to carry guns in thesaloon, well then is he within
his right to tell you to leaveyour guns at home or leave them
with a friend, or check them inat the bar or whatever they were
, whatever their process wasback then?
I mean, I guess if you respectlaw and order, then yeah, you
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have to respect that propertyowner's rights to do that.
So I suppose there were peopleback then who let's just say
like they didn't want peoplegetting in fights and getting
drunk and shooting each other inthe bar and stuff like that.
I mean that's on them right,but it's not like there was some
you know.
Let's just say statutory or oryou know government control.
Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn'tbureaucratic, it wasn't
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government, you know, mandatedcontrol of guns.
It was just people simplyliving in the moment, so to
speak.
And and maybe understanding inthat moment hey, I'm, you know,
absolutely ridiculously hammered.
Will you hold onto my pistols?
So I don't, you know, go crazyand shoot someone.
I mean whatever you know selfridiculously hammered.
Will you hold on to my pistols?
So I don't you know, go crazyand shoot someone.
I mean whatever you knowself-induced, self-induced
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control of oneself.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, we've all seen that.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Which you know is normal.
Everyone in society has donethat at some point.
When you're drunk, do you passthe keys on to someone you
wouldn't drive home drunk.
You would say, hey, man, takemy keys.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, I always would see that when you're looking at
the movies and you're going intothe saloon, you'd see the
bartender say hey, check yourfirearms.
And you'd have the kid walk upand he takes off his gun belt
and hands the kid his gun belt.
But they always had a backup.
They'd always have the littleDerringer like the pistol, like
somewhere.
(07:27):
That's right so, but to yourpoint, yeah, like back in those
days, that was like how it was.
When you want to, you know, thesheriff comes in.
He's like you know there's no,no guns in this saloon.
You know, so you know to just toget back before I forget, when
you said America is veryproficient at violence and that
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opening statement it made merealize that I'm 41 years old.
We have been at war for overhalf of my lifetime, like
consistently g-watt 20 yearsiraq, afghanistan and you guys
can say what you want about iran, about how we're not at war,
(08:14):
when I don't know what else youcall that.
When you drop bombs and yourelease ordinance on another
country, that's war now warishnow, whether they fight back or
not, that's on them, but when?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
you whether they declare wars on?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
yeah like if I go up to somebody and I just start
wailing on them and punchingthem.
That's a fight.
Now, whether they want to fightback is on them, but I've
started to fight.
So you know, I think.
But because, like you said,because amer America has been at
war and we're very proficientat what we do as a country, that
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induces a certain reaction oflike, hey, man, I don't want,
I'm not going to punch back.
Think about that for a second.
You just dropped 1430,000-pound bombs on a country
and they go ah, we're good,don't worry about it, we've had.
We're good, don't worry aboutit, we've had enough.
Yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, and did it with the stealth what the B-2
bombers the stealth bomber, soliterally snuck in past.
Your air defenses dropped it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Seven and a half miles up With impunity.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
There's something about that that strikes power
and it says, hey, we're here.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
What other country could do that?
Yeah, what other country coulddo that at will and get away
with it unscathed?
You know Right, there's areason that we do what we do.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It is crazy, isn't it ?
It's wild, it is extremelycrazy.
And again it goes back to that.
The concept that we talkedabout of the humanity, like the
history of humanity and thehistory of mankind has been
violence, yeah, and it's likeit's all we've ever known, like
the universal language of how wehandle problems, has always
been to fight it out, to takefrom others what we want for
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ourselves to.
You know, you have land, wewant it, we take it.
You have things, we want it, we, we take it.
You have things, we want it, wetake it.
And it's crazy how we think ofhistory so much within the short
context of our lives.
We think, well, for the last 40years it's been relatively
peaceful.
Well, we've been at war for 20years of our 40-year life.
(10:18):
One could certainly arguethat's not peaceful, but let's
just say the home we live inhere, where we are, is peaceful.
Right, you can go to thegrocery store, you can go to the
movie theater, you can gowherever you want in society and
generally, outside of somespecific situations, you're
generally pretty freaking safe.
(10:38):
Okay, you can carry yourfirearm, you can go about your
business concealed carry andgenerally, as long as you don't
hang around some real doofuspeople.
You're probably going to be allright, and I think there's a
beauty in that.
There's a beauty in an armedsociety being a polite society,
and what I think of when I sayokay, well, why would being
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pro-gun be the moral high ground?
Be the moral high ground?
I think it's a moral highground because what it tells
other people, what it tellssociety, is that you value their
life just as much as you valueyours.
What is a more concise way foryou to ensure that other people
are as safe as you are?
(11:19):
Unless you say you know what Iwant gun ownership for everybody
.
I don't want any one person tohave guns and others not to have
guns, because that's how youcreate tyranny.
That's how you create theconditions that are necessary
for violence to occur againstone specific group of people, or
maybe it's a weak person andsomeone's.
(11:42):
You know the weak and thestrong, and so it is an
equalizer.
Firearms are an equalizer andif you truly do care about
equality, that that that termgets thrown around all the time
equality they say they wantequality, but they really don't
want equal share of what ittakes to be equal Right, that's
right.
But if you say you reallyactually care about equality.
(12:06):
That's a leftist trope, that'sa leftist talking point is to
say oh, am I about equalityRight.
you never want an equal share ofthe work or an equal share of
what it takes to make it happen.
You want 100% of the means ofproduction.
When you produce nothing, yeah,I can see how you'd want the
means of production anyway.
When you produce nothing, yeah,I can see how you'd want the
means of production anyway, notto go down that rabbit hole.
(12:27):
But the truth is, you claim towant equality, but if you claim
to want equality and you don'twant everyone to be on equal
footing in terms of the abilityto do violence if necessary,
then that means you want amonopoly on violence.
That means you actually carenothing about equality.
You care only about yourability to have a monopoly on
violence.
So that's why I think thatfirearms are such a moral high
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ground for someone to be pro-gun.
I want someone who even doesn'tthink the way that I do to be
armed, because I care aboutequality.
I may not agree with a person'spolitics.
I may not agree with theirreligion.
I may not agree with a person'spolitics.
I may not agree with theirreligion.
I may not agree with who theyare.
I may not agree with theirmorals and values or what they
think of me, but I'll alwaysagree with their ability to arm
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themselves, because I believe inequality.
Everything else can sort itselfout on the back end, right?
If I say something, I canprotect what I say with my guns.
If you say something, you canprotect what I say with my guns.
If you say something, you canprotect what you say with your
guns.
If it goes beyond that, that'swhat we have our guns for.
I mean I guess, at the end ofthe day, if it comes to shooting
, then I guess we've come tothat impasse.
(13:35):
Well then, everyone should havethe ability to come to that
impasse.
Right and that's civilizedsociety.
It keeps everyone civil.
That's civilized society.
It keeps everyone civil.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, kennesaw Georgia enters the chat, because
Kennesaw, georgia, actually hasa city ordinance that states
every single head of householdmust own a firearm.
It is in the city ordinance.
(14:07):
Now, I don't live in kenesaw,georgia, but it is a very well
known like city ordinance,because I think they're the only
city that mandates that createdthat ordinance.
That is out there.
I don't know anybody, any othercity, any other town, any other
state that does that andconsequently, statistically
speaking, they are one of thesafest cities in the metro
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Atlanta area.
I looked it up.
I mean, it is what it is, man.
Now do they enforce theordinance?
No, they're not going door todoor like forcing it, but I just
think it's really cool for themto do that and say, hey, this
is your right, this is ordinance.
You have to have it because ifyou don't, bad things can happen
(14:51):
.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It's up to you to decide which household does or
doesn't.
We're telling everybody to havea gun, whether they do or don't
.
We're not going to make a bigdeal about it, but you should
know that in our eyes, everyhouse should have a gun, and I
think that makes thieves andpotential criminals think twice.
(15:14):
And that's why it's such a safearea.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's just like….
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Kennesaw is a big college town.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, KSU.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
KSU up there and you know great school and a lot of
the people there.
You know it's a pretty basedcollege.
They're very open-minded aboutcarrying.
You can have your gun atcollege.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I think they were one of the first ones to
say that was okay they hadcampus carry and you know what.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's safe.
You haven't seen anyshenanigans going on up there,
have you Nope?
You haven't seen anyshenanigans going on up there,
have you Nope?
What I find to be so crazy, matt, is that in society we are
expected to continuously give into these leftist talking points
(16:00):
and I say leftist but let'sjust say anti-gun points of how
well, if we ban guns, if we putmore restrictions on ownership
of guns, the carrying of guns,the type of guns someone can own
, let's just say restricting thetype of guns, magazine capacity
, carrying all of those sorts ofthings, let's just say firearms
at an eagle eye level thatwe're going to just have
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stricter rules on how guns aredealt with in society.
That we're expected to believesomehow my phone is on, I'm
about to turn the ringer off,sorry about that, but so we're
expected to believe somehow thatif we keep following you know
their advice on the subjectmatter, that it's somehow going
to change, like the definitionof insanity is doing the same
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thing over and over and overagain and expecting a different
result.
And I find it so crazy how theanti-gunners seem to just
consistently get it wrong overand over and over again, but
they won't listen to anyone'ssolutions, right?
But when we say, hey, here'sthe data.
Right, here's the crime data,here's the FBI statistics,
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here's the you know gun data,whatever data we give them, this
is just raw data.
Right, do with it what you wish, here's the raw data we
interject the data and we saylook, according to this, that
the more people are armed wehave campus carry, we have armed
teachers, we have open carry.
Whatever We've made it easy forpeople to defend themselves
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with a firearm in society, crimegoes down.
Wow, what a concept.
And it's so easy to prove.
It's so unmistakably andquantifiably easy to prove using
data.
It is so crazy to me how theanti-gunners can continue their
tirade of stupidity in the faceof such irrefutable and
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unmistakable facts 100%.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Look at the schools that chose to basically promote
the fact that they are theirteachers carry.
They were.
Uh, we know, when there was awhole bunch of like school
shootings going on, there wereschools that would put big
billboards out in front of theschool that said our teachers
carry they.
(18:16):
Just let you know up frontdon't come in here trying these
shenanigans, you're going to getdealt with, that's right.
How many of those schools hadanything happen to them?
You know, like, if you're justlike, hey, they choose people
that want to do violence.
Choose soft targets, not hardtargets.
But what if everything's a hardtarget?
There's like your slim pickings.
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There's not going to be thatmuch to choose from.
I have conversations with allkinds of people.
We run a jujitsu academy.
We have all kinds of studentscome through there and we don't
talk politics.
Part of what we do there is wesay, hey, we can talk about
anything except two things.
We don't talk about two thingsreligion and politics.
(19:00):
We found that anytime you startmixing those two things in,
people don't get along.
Yeah, so we're like hey, if youdon't, if you don't take to the
art yeah, like you can talkabout whatever you want no
religion, no politics.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You know it is so funny that you mentioned that
and I'll tell not really a story, but it's just kind of to
support what you're saying is,uh, some of the I don't even
want to say it's like some ofthe communities that I am
involved in or things that I'vedone over the years, but like I
guess a good example would be, Ilike music and I love to play
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music and sometimes I like to goand sit in at like open mic
gigs or go sit in with myfriends who play music, you know
, and sit in with their band orwhatever, and it's so funny that
, like there's a stereotypicalimage of people who are into
music, that they're of a certainpolitical affiliation or they
have a certain view on guns, andand those stereotypes very well
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may be true in some circles,right that maybe some certain
types of musicians or artists oractors or people that are into
sports whateverthat they may have a certain
view on guns, that maybe it'snot, they're not necessarily
anti or pro-gun, but that theysimply just don't discuss it
Right.
And I find that thosecommunities are kind of like
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that, like generally, everybodykind of gets along and gets
together and has fun and playsmusic, and they're there to make
music.
They're not there to talk abouttheir religion or their views
or their politics.
And it's so interesting how,when you just keep those things
out of the equation, you findthat most people actually get
along quite well and if youdon't know who someone is or
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what they're really thinking,you could be jamming with
someone having a great time.
They might be anti-gun as helland they may not know that I'm
one of the biggest gun voicesout there, but we can still get
together and make music and havefun and no harm, no foul, no
one hates anyone, that's right.
There's just somethinginteresting about the idea of
community and what that shows,what your situation at the
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Jiu-Jitsu Academy, at your dojo,what that shows and what my
situation shows and thecircumstances I've been in and
being in public and being withthe artist community and the
musician community is thatpeople have to look for common
ground and transcend thebarriers based on things they
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agree on, not what they disagreeon.
And I think that's where thingsstart to get slippery in terms
of arguing about well, shouldsomeone be pro-gun or anti-gun
or whatever?
Let's just look at it under thetiny little lens of firearms
ownership, which is an extremelysmall part of someone's actual
overall personality, right?
(21:46):
Think about golf, right?
Okay, have I ever swung a golfclub?
I have.
I've gone to the driving range,but would I consider myself a
golfer?
No, do I own a set of golfclubs?
Nope, never have.
Will I ever own a set of golfclubs?
Nope, probably never will.
Do I think that golfers aredumb or lazy or boring?
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No, I think.
Hey, if someone likes to golf,by all means go and golf.
That's how some people look atgun owners.
They may not care about guns.
Maybe they don't wanna own agun.
They never will.
Maybe they've been to the range.
Maybe their friend took them tothe range and they had an
experience and they shot theirfirst gun.
Are they going to go buy a gun?
No, they may not.
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Will they ever own a gun?
Probably not.
Do they think guns are boring?
No, guns are fun.
Hey, we went to the range andshot guns in a controlled
environment.
Hey, we had fun.
Okay, guns are fun.
Are they going tophilosophically look at the
Second Amendment in the way thatwe would, as being this
important moral high ground ofprotection and shepherding the
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community around us?
Maybe not, but do they thinkotherwise?
Do they think that it's a badthing?
Maybe not.
So again, it comes down to whenpeople.
I guess the point I'm trying tomake is that when people come
into a conversation and they tryto find something they agree
with first, you're always goingto have a much more positive
experience than if you begin theconversation with something
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that's extremely divisive likethat.
And I guarantee you that ifpolitics came up, if religion
came up in the context of thatenvironment, I would be able to
have probably a much more civilconversation with someone that,
hey, like, wow, we love music,we love art.
We agree on something first,and then when we found something
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we disagree on, we might kindof laugh that off.
And I think that's thedifference.
People, they don't ever want tolaugh something off, they don't
want to agree, to disagree,they want to simply start with
the disagreement.
And when you start with adisagreement, right out the hole
.
It's just going to become afreaking blood bath, and when
the blood's in the water and thesharks, they start circling.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You know, what's so crazy about that is that you
literally just described aconversation that I had with my
eight-year-old daughteryesterday and the way and I and
so she was drawing a stitch fromLilo and stitch and I'm using
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this as a comparison because itjust puts you in the mindset of
a lot of people that you arguewith.
Sometimes they think like aneight-year-old.
So she's drawing a stitch andshe messes it up and she starts
crying.
She's like I'm not a goodartist, I'm not a good artist.
And I look at her and I saidwhat makes you think you're an
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artist?
And she kind of looks at me.
She's like what do you mean?
I was like all right, how longhave you been practicing drawing
?
How long have you been trainingdrawing?
She's like I haven't said thenyou're not an artist, you
haven't earned that.
Yet.
I said imagine my daughterwrestles 20 to 25 hours a week.
She trains extremely hard andshe's proud of it.
(25:01):
I said imagine someone, one ofyour friends, does two wrestling
classes and says I'm a wrestler, now how would you feel?
It's like well, they're not.
I said well, why aren't they?
Because they've only done ittwice.
And I said all right, so whatmakes you think you're an artist
.
And then she looks up and she'slike huh, like a light goes off
in her head.
(25:22):
And I said so at the same timeI'm applying this to gun
ownership.
You own a gun.
That doesn't mean that you'rean advocate for the Second
Amendment.
It just means you're a gunowner.
You haven't become that stewardof the Second Amendment yet.
That doesn't mean that youcan't amendment yet.
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That doesn't mean that youcan't.
It just means that you haven'tdone what you need to do in
order to represent the secondamendment and in the way that
other people want you to.
So it's like when you look atthe news and they say, oh, this
is a gun owner, what is youropinion?
You can have your opinion, butdon't say that you're a second
amendment advocate yet opinion.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
but don't say that you're a second amendment
advocate yet.
You know, I do agree with thata lot and I think it's true.
And look, I might catch someflack here for saying this and
you, you probably be the lastthing you expect somebody like
me to say, but the truth is it'snot even required for you to be
a steward of the secondamendment.
If you don't want to be like,if you want to be a casual gun
owner that just owns a gun andmaybe hardly ever use it, I
(26:29):
wouldn't recommend that.
I would recommend you get sometraining and actually understand
the tools at your disposal at ahigh level.
We're not talking about a setof golf clubs you can put in the
closet and just forget aboutand maybe every now and then
break them out and go to thedriving range with your buddies.
That's different.
If I go to the driving rangeand I suck at golfing, that's
okay.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
But you're not calling yourself a golfer Right?
I'm not going to call myself agolfer.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
If someone says do you like to golf?
Yeah, I like to golf, what doyou have?
Well, I have a set of golfclubs.
Yeah, I have golf a bit.
Yeah, I golf a bit.
I'm not a professional golfer,I enjoy golf.
I like golf.
At that overall level, you couldsay that.
But as a gun owner, I feel likeyou don't necessarily have to
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be some shepherd or steward ofthe community if you don't want
to be.
You don't have to let everybodyknow you're a gun owner if you
don't want to.
I think you should.
I think it's almost when we viewgun ownership as this.
I don't know, it seems likesome within the Second Amendment
community view gun ownership asthis strange religious
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quantifiability.
It's almost like this odd smallreligion that you're a part of,
like, oh, I'm a gun owner, I'mgoing to spread it like a gospel
and that's important.
Yeah, you have to be.
You know, sometimes the SecondAmendment, gun ownership in
general it does require someoneto get someone else into it for
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them to care about it.
So it requires ambassadorshipfor someone to go.
Well, wow, I never thoughtabout going to the range and
shooting, but man, this is fun.
I kind of actually care aboutthis.
And then once you changesomeone's mind enough to at
(28:15):
least go out and give it a tryand just be open-minded enough
to give it a shot no punintended then you can kind of
start changing their mind on.
Well, you know why we have thisright.
You know why we have gunownership right.
Well, you know why we have thisright.
You know why we have gunownership right.
You know, because a tyrannicalgovernment tried to, you know,
control us and tax us, and wefought a revolution.
So then you explain, like, whygun ownership exists in the
United States.
Like this is not just so we cango out and shoot ski.
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This is not so we can go outand hunt animals, although those
are popular pastimes that areimportant to the American
culture that before all of thosethings existed, refusing to
allow an oppressive state tohave a monopoly on violence was
the first reason.
Then you can explain to themthis is the actual reason we
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have this and that light bulbgoes off in someone's head and
they go wow, I didn't realize itwas that deep.
Yeah, it is deep.
Like there's a very deep andphilosophical reason not
philosophical, but just like avery important logistical reason
for this to exist.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That is not just about hunting or anything like
this is way deeper than thatWell, I think that's the biggest
taboo that people don't want toget behind is that you nailed
it.
It's like when someone says,well, I'm a gun owner, but you
don't need this to go hunting.
It's not about hunting.
The whole purpose is that youhave a way to combat the
(29:39):
government if they overstep.
It's not about hunting, andthat's the hardest part.
That's codified, yeah, andthat's in our.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
That's the reason for it.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Exactly, but they don't see it that way.
And and that's what I wastrying to get at with that
original story was that.
How many times have you heardsomeone say, when they give
their opinion on something, I'ma gun owner.
Just leave it at that.
If you would have stopped yoursentence right there, everything
would have been good.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, I never really trust anything somebody says.
If they say I'm a gun owner ora butt, yeah, anything after
butt is just crap.
I mean, you know, everyone'sentitled to an opinion and I
suppose that's somethingimportant to remember too is
like there are gun owners outthere who may not agree with
what I like to do as a gun owner, you know and that's.
(30:28):
OK, they don't have to agreewith me.
I think it's a little bit.
Well, it's actually a lot, alot of it very self-defeating to
apply your own boundaries toyour own rights.
I've never understood that, howsomeone can say, well, all I do
(30:50):
is hunt deer.
Therefore, I don't understandwhy you need your AR-15.
It's not required that youunderstand why I have it.
It's not even required that youunderstand why your own rights
even exist.
But it's certainly not yourplace to scrutinize the gun
owners.
That do understand.
I'm not going to say thatyou're in the wrong to just want
to hunt deer with your boltaction rifle.
That's fine, that's what youwant to do, go ahead.
But I think it's just.
(31:11):
It's very self-defeating forsomeone to just easily give in
and say, well, I don'tunderstand the reason.
Therefore, you shouldn't haveit.
It's crazy.
That's the worst that's likethat's like saying you know, I
drive my F one 50, 70 miles anhour down the interstate, but I
don't understand why F one racecar exists.
Yeah, you don't need tounderstand why a 250 mile an
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hour race car exists.
You're driving an F-150.
It's a completely differentpurpose.
Both are going to get you frompoint A to point B, but one is
made for something vastlydifferent than the other and
both are relevant to the peoplewho want that tool for that
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Firearms protect our ability toprotect the words in our mouth,
to protect our will and ouraction, to have a freedom of
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association, freedom to come andgo, freedom to associate.
Gold protects our ability toescape predatory and usury-based
monetary systems that fluctuatewith the wills and wishes of a
few small groups of people whohave control of the print and
press.
That's true, gold is finite tosome degree.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
There's only so much gold.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
It has a cap and the prices on gold have consistently
been going up.
Silver has its ups and downs,but I would say generally I
don't have as much gold as Ineed to have, but but gold is a
really great investment.
It's been very consistent itreally goes in hand in hand with
the gun community.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Like people are into guns, it seems like it is kind
of weird how that happens yeah,they're into investing in gold
even when you look at like ig,you see posts of like gucci guns
and like gold coins.
They go together.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Especially lots of silver.
At one point I bought a wholebunch of Morgan silver dollars.
I still have them somewhere.
In fact they might be here inthe studio somewhere.
I'd have to look.
But I got a metric ton ofMorgan silver dollars Like.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I think I bought gosh .
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I think at one time I had about 300 of them.
Nice yeah, and those things areworth like 35 bucks a piece.
I think I bought gosh.
I think at one time I had about300 of them.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Nice, yeah, and those things are worth like 35 bucks
a piece.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yep, I need to find them bad boys yeah, I was like
you should know where those areat.
I might have to sell them.
Bad boys I got a bunch andthey're in like in these little
plastic tubes.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, but gosh, at one point I think spot was at
like and this has been someyears back, but I think spot
price on silver per ounce waslike.
I want to say it was like $22,$21.
And I bought a bunch and nowit's double, easily worth double
.
I think spot on silver like $41an ounce.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Nice, yeah, not quite the hike that you see with gold
, but you know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
But still a sound investment that's right, and
today's high price is tomorrow'smoney that you could have
doubled your money on Yep.
That's why bullion is such asound investment.
The price of the dollar becomesworth less and less and less.
But imagine buying into silverat $21 an ounce, only to find
out if it's worth $41 an ounce.
(35:55):
Well, what got worth more money?
The silver still sat there.
It didn't change.
The dollar got worth less.
That's really what happened.
It's just scary to think aboutthat.
They can just arbitrarilychange the value of your money,
just based on usury, based oninterest rates and based on them
, just printing, just raisingthe debt ceiling and just you
(36:16):
know this, fractional banking.
I mean not to get off on thistangent because I didn't want
today's podcast to be about that, but it's wild to me how much
they manipulate the value ofmoney through various mechanisms
that I'm not going to pretendto understand every little
nuance, but I tell you I'mdefinitely paying attention to
it.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
That and the way that other countries handle debt,
like managing their buying debt,their trading debt, their
calling debt to manipulate themarkets for a long or putting
someone in jail over debt.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, I think that is a very the people in prison.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
sometimes I was going to say that's a very unique
American thing of jailing peoplefor being in debt.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, especially to the IRS.
That's crazy to me that thisgroup of people knows exactly
how much money I'm supposed topay them and even I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
But won't tell you and they won't tell you.
They won't tell you, you haveto guess that's the most wild
thing ever, I mean imagine theperson that came up with that
concept.
It's like hey, you owe us money, Well, how much you tell me?
You tell me how much you owe me.
It's like the Wheel of Fortune.
You start throwing like $20,000.
Nope, they always seem to know,they know, but they won't tell
(37:28):
you.
Of course, dude, I'm going totell you a story.
Man Hit it.
The IRS came at me hard man,this was right when I sold my
first business.
I sold my first business and Ihad been out of.
I sold the business.
It was doing well, but I wantedto do something else.
(37:48):
And about four years later, theIRS came after me saying that I
owed them like 50 or $60,000.
And I was like, okay, I don'tthink that's completely true.
But they said you owe us$50,000 and you need to send us
all this paperwork showing thatyou don't owe us the money.
(38:10):
And if you don't, if you don'tsend us them, if you can't prove
to us that you don't owe us themoney, you owe us the money.
And if you don't, if you don'tsend us them, if you can't prove
to us that you don't owe us themoney, you owe us the money.
I was like, where am I going tofind this, these documents from
like four or five years ago?
So I had to call my CPA.
Thank God he held on to thesedocuments that I needed and he
(38:31):
sent it over to me.
I, I sent it over to the IRSand they literally were just
like all right thanks.
And that was it.
They were like all right thanksfor sending over these
documents.
You no longer owe us any money.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
It was just that simple.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It was so simple One fax.
One fax saying hey, I don't oweyou this money and this is why
All right.
Thanks, yeah, and this is whyAll right.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Thanks yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
But imagine how many people they catch without the,
without holding onto thedocumentation for like four or
five years, and they're like nah, you owe us 50 grand it always
makes you think of Ron Swansonand that picture where he he
pulls out a little like why canyou do this?
And he pulls out a little thingand it's just like I have a
(39:16):
permission slip and he opens upand just says I can do whatever
I want.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
That is the.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
IRS man.
They can literally come afteryou for anything and you're done
.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
So we have a podcast that we're going to be doing in
the future.
I haven't really figured outhow I want to structure it, but
the concept that we had iscalled in America, the
accusation is the punishment andagain, not getting into lawfare
in today's show, because thisis mainly about guns that we're
talking about.
But it is crazy how theaccusation is actually the
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punishment, where you may beable to absolve yourself of
whatever they're saying thatyou're guilty of, but the
process of that, of absolvingyourself of that crime, is the
punishment.
It costs money, it costsresources.
You have to hire lawyers, youhave to go to court and they're
using your money.
They can go all day, they don'tcare.
(40:06):
They have unlimited money tohire all this money to clear
your good name, and all thewhile, here you are, you know,
going broke in the process, andthen they're trying to make you
broke in the process by tryingto, you know, hammer you to the
wall over money.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Well, it's crazy because it's wild, with the IRS
specifically and you might betalking about things outside the
IRS, but the IRS specifically,it's a long game for them
because they're charginginterest penalties like every
time, like, even though you'reyou're trying to defend yourself
every time that you're late ona payment you're getting you're
(40:44):
getting that little letter inthe mail and that freaks you out
.
You're like what?
Speaker 1 (40:48):
it is wild interest how big the tax code really is.
There's so many lines in thetax code.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Can't get away from it.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
The garnish wages.
Yeah, when we look at the taxcode, you can also apply this
chicken little complex of thetax code to the way that guns
are looked at in terms of lawsand things.
So look at all the gun lawsthat are on the books.
We kind of pivot back tofirearms.
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You know which?
I love guns.
I love guns because they're atool of liberty.
You know they are a passive,inanimate object that has a
potential for many things, goodand bad and they only amplify
the soul and intention of thepeople that hold them.
I think there's a kind of astrange power in that.
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It's a power that if you chooseto wield it responsibly, it
should never be used.
It shouldn't have to be usedonly when you've been left with
no choice but to utilize thatpower.
I I mean imagine, I don't knowLord of the Rings and having the
ring.
It's like that kind ofmentality where the more you
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wear that ring, the more itcorrupts you.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I thought you were going to say Lord of the Flies
and you had the conch.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
It could be the conch shell too, from Lord of the
Flies, but the truth is, I meanone of them lords, right, but
yeah, lord of the Rings.
It's like the more you wear thering, the more it poisons you
and corrupts you, and it's likeyou're left with this choice of
(42:27):
being invincible and all knowingand having the superpower,
whatever it is.
But yet, the less you use it,the more it beckons you and
calls you and drives you insaneto wield his power.
And some people will neverunderstand what it's like to
have power and choose not toexercise it.
I think that's the ultimatedisplay of love and restraint
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that a person can have is to begiven power and refuse to
exercise it unless it isabsolutely necessary.
And to me, that's what guns are.
I think the greater part ofsociety view gun owners as a
group of people that arebloodthirsty and they're
carrying their guns everywhereand they're looking for a fight,
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they're looking for trouble.
Now, I'm not going to say therearen't people out there that do
I mean.
Maybe there are.
Maybe there are some peoplethat they're just dreaming of
the day they're going to get insome crazy OK Corral, gunfight
or something.
But the reality is, those of usthat have been in combat.
Those of us that have been in apickle or two.
You know, matt and I have seena thing or two.
Now is that to say that we'vebeen in every little crazy
(43:32):
situation.
We could write an entire volumeon gunfight 101, maybe not, but
we've been in enough scarysituations to know that violence
should be reserved for when noother choice is available.
Now war is different becauseit's a little bit more straight
to the point.
I mean, like they're trying toget you and you know it's either
(43:53):
kill or be killed in thosesituations, or defend yourself
or or deal with whatever they'regoing to do to you.
But I think that, generallyspeaking, a lot of people tend
to lose sight of the fact thatfirearms are something that
you're going to carry it toprotect yourself.
But the most positive andoutcome you want the most is for
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it not to be used.
Right, if you go about your dayand you never have to use your
gun, that's a good day, and Ithink that's how most people
view it.
They don't want to have asituation where they're going to
have to use their firearm.
That's the last thing anaverage gun owner wants to do,
not only because of the moralconsequence or the logistical
(44:38):
consequence of having to dosomething like that.
Maybe you're risking.
You don't want to have yourfamily have to see that.
Maybe you're with your familyand the last thing you want to
do is think of having to dosomething like that in front of
your family.
But you also can't think of theidea of somebody hurting your
family.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
So it again becomes a matter of once that the point
of no return comes.
Do you fight or do you run away?
It's the fight or flight whichis a famous phrase we use here
on this podcast.
We've used quite a bit.
So what do you do?
Do you fight back or do you runaway?
Both are viable solutions.
(45:14):
Do you fight back or do you runaway?
Both are viable solutions,depending on the circumstance
and context.
I think fighting is going toget you further, and having the
will to fight and the tools tofight If you do have to fight,
you better dang well, have a gun.
You're not going to bring afreaking knife to a gunfight.
(45:36):
You're not going to bring fiststo a gunfight.
In my mind, if I have a gun andI don't have a choice but to
fight you, better believe I'mgoing to have a gun.
That's my view of it.
If I can escape a situationwithout bloodshed, I'll depart.
If I have a going to see myselfout of the situation.
But, if I have to, you betterbelieve I'm going to have the
(45:57):
means and the ability.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I think you said the key word there is if I have to.
There are lots of people thathave the misconception like they
want to get into a little bitof a tussle.
My obligation is to my daughterand to my wife and to my family
and to make sure that I, youknow I'm around to raise them.
If I'm in a situation where Ican not have to put myself in
(46:26):
that position, I'm not going to,I'm going to walk away.
Uh, if it's a driving incident,I'm going to slow down, I'm
going to let them pass.
I'm not going out of my way toput myself in those positions
(46:57):
because you never know what canhappen.
You, a husband that's going tocome home, that my daughter is
going to have a father that'sgoing to come home, and that's
my priority.
Outside of that, it is what itis.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
And you better believe that, if it does come
down to the situation wherethere is no other choice and you
do have to exercise, oh,extreme violence.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
You better believe it's going to be the best it's
going to be the worst violence.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
It's going to be the fastest, the most lethal, the
most the worst thing thatperson's ever seen.
I mean, because we as men and Idon't maybe I can't really speak
for every guy, of course Ican't speak for, obviously, for
women either.
I can speak for myself.
I tend to be the kind of personthat I kind of reserve it, I
(47:44):
hold it in reserve, I try not tolet petty little things bother
me, which we're all guilty ofallowing a little petty thing to
get under our skin from time totime.
I mean, we're all human,allowing a little petty thing to
get under our skin from time totime.
I mean, that's, we're all human, it's natural, right.
But I think I tend to be thekind of person that, like I try
to sweat, you know, sweat offthe small stuff, not let it
bother me.
But there's always like thatlittle kernel that stays there
(48:08):
and you kind of throw it in thegrain bin and it's like all
right, it's just a piece of it,but we're just going to, we're
going to let it lie, buteventually that grain bin kind
of gets full.
Oh yeah, fills up and it's likeyou kind of sit there with your
hand on the lever and thinkingthat, man, when someone opens up
this grain bin, it's going tobe so bad for them.
You know what I mean.
(48:28):
So you're like saving thosemicro frustrations up for the
moment that you need it toempower you.
I think that's ultimately, inmy mind, what true masculinity
is all about.
All these people have it sowrong with guns, matt.
They say well, you have a gunbecause you're afraid to fight,
You're afraid to have analtercation, you're afraid to
(48:50):
get in a verbal argument withsomeone, you're afraid to use
your verbal judo, you don't knowhow to fight, you don't know
how to use hand-to-hand combat.
They'll come up with any excuseoh, you got a little dick,
whatever.
They'll use any excuse they can,other than saying that you know
what?
If someone owns a gun, thatdoesn't mean anything.
You own a golf club, you own abaseball bat, you own a kitchen
(49:13):
knife.
Is that to say, oh, you own bigkitchen knives?
Oh, you're trying to compensatefor something?
No, it's just.
The fact is that you understandthe nature of violence.
To have a tool such as a gunand refuse to use it only if in
the most unexcapable situation,I think makes you way more
(49:37):
deadly than someone who wouldjust indiscriminately use a gun
in the wrong circumstance.
Oh yeah, and I think Beware ofthe person who doesn't want
violence, because that person,when they are pushed to violence
, it's going to be bad.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Well, we've seen that video and I know you've
probably seen it where the guypulls a gun out he's in traffic,
walks up to another guy'spickup truck, has it in his hand
and he goes to knock on thewindow and the guy shoots him
through the glass and it's likethe person.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
That guy opened up the freaking grain silo.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, Well it's that you could tell the guy that had
the gun in his hand he went tothe gun first.
Like that should be your lastoption.
Second of all, you shouldn't bewalking on people's cars, man,
like you don't know you're goingto get shot doing that.
But yeah, don't do that.
But to your point is like whenI carry a, I carry a firearm, I
(50:31):
do everything in my power to notuse it.
I walk away.
I'm diffusing situations.
It's the pulling that firearmis the last thing on my mind.
Matter of fact, sometimes Idon't remember I have it on me
until I need it.
It's like I'm not like, oh myGod, it's a situation.
It's like, hey, I'm just, it iswhat it is, man, have a great
day you know, always use yourverbal judo.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Verbal judo is a superpower, right, you know?
I think.
I think it's important for lawenforcement too.
You know, law enforcement,sometimes they have a hard job,
like you know they.
They have to be bartender, theyhave to hear everybody sob
story, everyone's innocent.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
I know it gets tiresome, but this is so
important for cops to use theirverbal judo and not be shooting
people left and right, and Ithink that we should all be the
same way too.
You should always try to talkdown a situation.
Don't escalate the situation,and I'll tell you, it's just so
wild to think about.
There's one video that alwayscomes back to my mind.
I don't think we can show it onYouTube.
(51:32):
It's not that it's necessarilyviolent, but I think it's like
copyrighted or something.
But I know y'all seen it.
Look it up.
Is the video where the, wherethe, the gas station clerk gets
robbed.
Okay, and this guy, um, he's um, an Afghanistan veteran.
He's got like long hair, helooks kind of hippie-ish and
even so, unassuming you wouldnever think this guy would
(51:52):
handle himself in this way.
But this guy walks in with agun, points it right at the guy
you know what I mean.
And this dude, without evenlooking up from his magazine,
like he's kind of got his headdown just looking at a magazine,
he looks up and the guy's got agun in his face and, almost
like as natural as having aconversation with this guy, he
(52:13):
reaches up and produces aBeretta M nine and has it in the
guy's face before this dude caneven process what happened.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
I've seen that video.
He's like, and the guy's likeyeah, the guy like he wasn't
ready for violence.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
That guy was unprepared to commit violence.
That veteran, that Afghanistanveteran, he was ready.
Yeah, it was that Afghanistanveteran.
He was red.
Yeah, it was like he didn'teven look up from his magazine.
He could not even be botheredto look up from his magazine and
he didn't even move his head.
He just he did this.
He didn't look at the gun.
(52:49):
He didn't point the gun.
He looked right in that guy'seyes and psyched him out and
just pointed the gun right inhis skull and that guy was like
whoa dude, that guy was like Idon't want no part of this and
he left.
He already had a gun pointed.
So who was ready to commitviolence in that moment?
The guy that had the gun pulledon, the clerk, or the clerk?
(53:09):
I guarantee you that clerk wasready.
If that guy would have waited asplit second, he would have
been catching around to thatBeretta right to his face.
And I mean what do you do?
And that guy probably wouldhave went home that night and
not lost a wink of sleep,absolutely not, he would have
probably slept better, right.
But that guy.
The way he reacted is just sowild.
When you want to talk aboutsomeone who's not ready to kill
(53:32):
versus someone who is, watchthat video, you'll see what I'm
talking about.
Compare the body language ofthe two of them and you'll see
like which one who which one wasready to do what was required
and which one wasn't, and that'sthat's a precarious situation.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
That's like a rock and a hard place, right guys
there, you don't know what'sgoing to happen.
Yeah, is he gonna.
Is he gonna shoot you after yougive him the money?
Yeah, so I mean you havenothing to lose at that did.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
He have every right to shoot in that moment oh dude,
I'm surprised he didn't right.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
I'm surprised he didn't.
He didn't the cops what tookmore restraint?
Speaker 1 (54:07):
what took more restraint?
The robber not to just shoothim or him not to defend himself
against a robber?
I mean, of course there's everyMonday armchair quarterback
that's going to say, oh well, hehad every right to shoot, yeah
he had the right to shoot, buthe didn't.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
He was calm as a cucumber.
He handled the situation reallywell.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
He did I mean that's not an easy thing to deal with.
It's not normal to have a gunpointed at you.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
And it could have been very well that that wasn't
a real gun.
Lots of times like not the notwell, I say that because Maybe
he noticed it wasn't real orsomething.
Well, no, maybe he didn't, butmaybe the guy didn't realize.
So lots of times these robbersare going in there with airsoft
guns and they're just trying tomake it like you're trying to do
a quick robbery, because inrealistically, why would he have
(54:58):
not shot him, like the, therobber person?
yeah, why would the robberoutside, outside of the fact
that maybe you're right, he'snot ready to commit violence.
He wasn't committed to it, he'she.
He was expecting the easy laydown.
Hey, I have a gun, give me themoney.
Yeah, easy payday no intention.
Yeah, he had no intention no,no, he did not have the intent
(55:18):
to murder somebody that day.
Obviously, the, the afghanistanvet, was fully committed to
like hey, we can do this, we candance, yeah I know that's crazy
I mean someone's got the dropon.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, I mean you're still gonna pull your gun.
It's like that.
That's that takes balls.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
So, my, my only thing I can think of is that two
things you.
That guy did not have theintent to commit murder.
He wanted the easy money or two, he didn't have a way to commit
murder because the gun wasn'treal and he thought it was going
to be easy lay down and healmost lost his life, yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Over down and he almost lost his life, yeah, over
a freaking airsoft gun.
Maybe he was woken up in thatmoment to realize, like dude,
this guy does, this guy does notgive a crap like he.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
He literally had a gun pointed at him, didn't care,
he still pointed a gun, becausethere was another video of like
three teens going in and likethey walk in with a handgun and
then they don't even make itthrough the door.
Man, like the glass door he'swalking in, he opened, he goes
to open the door with a pistoland that guy- just I think that
on that one I think they saw himon the, on the on the camera.
One of them like dude.
(56:22):
He hit one of them like threetimes.
Man just dropped him rightthere.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
I mean door you got a right to defend your business,
man.
I mean, I guess it just dependson how, how threatened you feel
.
I mean, all right, in the heatof the moment again not playing
monday quarterback, but in theheat of the moment if I saw
three armed men showing going inthe front door and I'm there
alone, it's late at night, it'sa place of business.
(56:45):
They're carrying guns.
What do you think's gonnahappen?
They're not coming there to belike hey, let me show you my, my
gun no, they're coming to showand tell, right, yeah, it ain't
show.
And tell you, better believe I'mgoing to be grabbing my iron.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, which is exactly why they would argument
you don't need more than, like,seven rounds, like.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
I don't know about that.
Yeah, man Scary, but I thinktoday's show was really good man
.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, I enjoyed the conversation.
Yeah, it was a goodconversation.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
It was a good, wholesome conversation about why
our rights are so important andwhy, I think again, the moral
high ground is to supportfirearms, and I hope that more
people will see it in that wayand see it from that light.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
That's my goal with a lot of this content is to get
people on the right track tothinking about it in the way,
getting their mindset where itneeds to be.
I mean, if we could do that anddon't think of it as like I'm
just a gun owner, but alsobecome a steward, a shepherd of
the Second Amendment, go, takethat extra step.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, get people involved, even if
it's not politically.
Take someone out to the range,give them some exposure to it,
you know, maybe train someone,give them a little bit of time
to you know.
See that that is not a badthing, it's just completely
normal.
Yep, I think that there are alot of gains being made, as much
(58:11):
as it's easy to have a verynegative opinion about how all
this stuff has been handled overthe years and how things
politically have been going interms of laws and things of that
nature.
I think we are gaining groundboth culturally and legally.
On the legal front, I mean,we've had some good Supreme
Court cases.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
So you know, we'll see.
Yeah, Now it's just the states.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think the outlook is pretty good, so
we'll see.
We're going to keep thepressure up.
Anything else to add, matt,before we head on today?
Speaker 2 (58:40):
No man, that was a great conversation.
I enjoyed it.
You know, it's always fun whenwe get to talk about guns.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Look, y'all, we post everyMonday at 9 am Eastern Standard
Time, if I remember to uploadthe show, usually I do.
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I do want to do some moreflights.
Those do require a little bitmore, let's just say, involved
preparation.
But you guys might recall ourflight or fight series Kind of
made me think about that todaywe talked about it.
(01:00:12):
So we do flights of differentthings, different food and
alcohol and things of thatnature which I don't drink
anymore.
But maybe we'll do some, uh,more hot peppers or some hot
sauces.
That's always fun, you know.
Maybe we'll do some uh so let meknow what's your favorite crazy
hot sauce.
Uh, maybe we'll get some jarsof hot sauce and do a taste test
(01:00:32):
.
Be kind everybody, I want thehottest ones, but not
necessarily the hottest ones,the best ones.
What hot sauces do you like?
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
There's always the Last Dab.
It's a pretty popular one.
What are?
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
your favorite hot sauces, let us know down below
and we will put together aflight and we'll do another hot
sauce flight.
That'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Okay Under duress.
Yeah, turn my ear and forceanother hot sauce flight.
That'd be fun.
Okay, all right Under duress.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, turn, turn, turn my ear
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We're coming at you hot Today'sshow.
(00:21):
We're going to be talking aboutmorals.
Nice, we're coming at you hotToday's show.
We're going to be talking aboutmorals.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Nice, we have those right.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, sometimes it depends and why being pro-gun is
the moral high ground.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I can see that I can, definitely more so now than
before.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah.
So there's obviously a lot ofthings we're going to pick apart
and talk about in today's show.
We're going to talk about gunsquite a bit and you know, just
so people can kind of get anidea here, you know, I guess
some housekeeping, so to speak.
We do touch on a lot ofdifferent subjects here on LLP,
you know, sometimes we talkabout politics, sometimes we
(01:03):
talk about world events,sometimes we'll talk about just
stuff going on in our life.
So this is a variety show wherereally anything goes in terms
of the type of stuff that wemight cover.
But today is pretty muchstrictly guns.
So we're going to be discussingthat quite a bit and getting
into the weeds on this and whybeing pro-gun is the moral high
(01:28):
ground.
And you look at so much ofculture and history, and the
history of mankind is steeped inviolence.
And when you look at peace inthe context of, let's just say,
the human condition and humanhistory, peace is way more rare
(01:51):
than violence is.
And violence, it seems to bethe talking point, it's the
negotiating point, is ourability to carry out violence
against others and it's whatmade people who they are today.
And you know it's weird tothink about Matt, that you are a
product of the strongest andmost viable people who came
(02:12):
before you.
The weak people died right.
The weak people were conquered,they were taken over.
Like to think that the personyou are, the weakest, most
terrible person you ever meetwas still the strongest, somehow
somewhere in the history oftheir ancestry.
And it's odd to think how wegot here, why we got here, what
(02:36):
allowed us to soldier on andcome to the point in the quest
that we are right now, matt, andit's weird to think that
history really is.
You know about who's been thebest killers, and it's not about
who could live the mostpeacefully.
It's about who was the most thebest at committing violence
(03:00):
towards people.
And when we talk about pro-gunbeing the moral high ground,
what do we really mean?
What are we really referring towhen we talk about being
pro-gun from a moral sense, andthat moral sense being that you
hold the high ground morallybecause you're pro-gun?
Why would we come to thatconclusion?
What would your take on that be?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I think right now the biggest thing is, you know,
outrage culture, which, in thisparticular instance, works out
for the first time ever in gunowners favors, because it's
always been oh it's.
You want to have some type ofoutrage against something.
Well, now the outrage is I wantmy guns.
(03:45):
Like, don't take my guns away.
So now you're starting to see alot of people that previously
and this is just my takepreviously would not have been
so outspoken about, you know,firearms.
Now that, um, you know it'sokay to have outrage against
stuff, they're willing to stepup and say, hey, don't take my
(04:07):
guns, don't change any laws asit stands.
People like to say that theSecond Amendment is being eroded
, non-popular opinion and fact.
The Second Amendment isactually stronger now than it
has ever been in the past, withconstitutional carry being
(04:29):
passed to 30 states back moreand more of our rights, albeit
not the ones that everybodywants, like the machine guns,
the NFA, the suppressors, theshort, sbrs, sbss.
(04:51):
That's been a hard fight.
That's a hard fight, but foreverything else we have a
stronger standing right now withour two-way rights than we've
ever had ever.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I think that that's an astute way to look at it.
I mean, I think anyone who'spaying attention certainly sees
that there's never been more ofan appetite for the Second
Amendment in the history of theUnited States, and I think that
it even gets to a point where,all right, there was probably a
point in the history of theUnited States where people just
(05:24):
went about their day and ownedguns and didn't think anything
of it.
There wasn't a such thing as,like gun laws and gun control
and people you know politicianspassing laws that had to do with
a person's firearms.
Okay, now the owner of thesaloon, for instance, you know,
if he said, hey, I don't wantguns in my place of business, ok
(05:46):
, well, if you're on privateproperty and that person doesn't
want you to carry guns in thesaloon, well then is he within
his right to tell you to leaveyour guns at home or leave them
with a friend, or check them inat the bar or whatever they were
, whatever their process wasback then?
I mean, I guess if you respectlaw and order, then yeah, you
(06:07):
have to respect that propertyowner's rights to do that.
So I suppose there were peopleback then who let's just say
like they didn't want peoplegetting in fights and getting
drunk and shooting each other inthe bar and stuff like that.
I mean that's on them right,but it's not like there was some
you know.
Let's just say statutory or oryou know government control.
Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn'tbureaucratic, it wasn't
(06:29):
government, you know, mandatedcontrol of guns.
It was just people simplyliving in the moment, so to
speak.
And and maybe understanding inthat moment hey, I'm, you know,
absolutely ridiculously hammered.
Will you hold onto my pistols?
So I don't, you know, go crazyand shoot someone.
I mean whatever you know selfridiculously hammered.
Will you hold on to my pistols?
So I don't you know, go crazyand shoot someone.
I mean whatever you knowself-induced, self-induced
(06:51):
control of oneself.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, we've all seen that.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Which you know is normal.
Everyone in society has donethat at some point.
When you're drunk, do you passthe keys on to someone you
wouldn't drive home drunk.
You would say, hey, man, takemy keys.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, I always would see that when you're looking at
the movies and you're going intothe saloon, you'd see the
bartender say hey, check yourfirearms.
And you'd have the kid walk upand he takes off his gun belt
and hands the kid his gun belt.
But they always had a backup.
They'd always have the littleDerringer like the pistol, like
somewhere.
(07:27):
That's right so, but to yourpoint, yeah, like back in those
days, that was like how it was.
When you want to, you know, thesheriff comes in.
He's like you know there's no,no guns in this saloon.
You know, so you know to just toget back before I forget, when
you said America is veryproficient at violence and that
(07:53):
opening statement it made merealize that I'm 41 years old.
We have been at war for overhalf of my lifetime, like
consistently g-watt 20 yearsiraq, afghanistan and you guys
can say what you want about iran, about how we're not at war,
(08:14):
when I don't know what else youcall that.
When you drop bombs and yourelease ordinance on another
country, that's war now warishnow, whether they fight back or
not, that's on them, but when?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
you whether they declare wars on?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
yeah like if I go up to somebody and I just start
wailing on them and punchingthem.
That's a fight.
Now, whether they want to fightback is on them, but I've
started to fight.
So you know, I think.
But because, like you said,because amer America has been at
war and we're very proficientat what we do as a country, that
(08:51):
induces a certain reaction oflike, hey, man, I don't want,
I'm not going to punch back.
Think about that for a second.
You just dropped 1430,000-pound bombs on a country
and they go ah, we're good,don't worry about it, we've had.
We're good, don't worry aboutit, we've had enough.
Yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, and did it with the stealth what the B-2
bombers the stealth bomber, soliterally snuck in past.
Your air defenses dropped it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Seven and a half miles up With impunity.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
There's something about that that strikes power
and it says, hey, we're here.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
What other country could do that?
Yeah, what other country coulddo that at will and get away
with it unscathed?
You know Right, there's areason that we do what we do.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It is crazy, isn't it ?
It's wild, it is extremelycrazy.
And again it goes back to that.
The concept that we talkedabout of the humanity, like the
history of humanity and thehistory of mankind has been
violence, yeah, and it's likeit's all we've ever known, like
the universal language of how wehandle problems, has always
been to fight it out, to takefrom others what we want for
(09:57):
ourselves to.
You know, you have land, wewant it, we take it.
You have things, we want it, we, we take it.
You have things, we want it, wetake it.
And it's crazy how we think ofhistory so much within the short
context of our lives.
We think, well, for the last 40years it's been relatively
peaceful.
Well, we've been at war for 20years of our 40-year life.
(10:18):
One could certainly arguethat's not peaceful, but let's
just say the home we live inhere, where we are, is peaceful.
Right, you can go to thegrocery store, you can go to the
movie theater, you can gowherever you want in society and
generally, outside of somespecific situations, you're
generally pretty freaking safe.
(10:38):
Okay, you can carry yourfirearm, you can go about your
business concealed carry andgenerally, as long as you don't
hang around some real doofuspeople.
You're probably going to be allright, and I think there's a
beauty in that.
There's a beauty in an armedsociety being a polite society,
and what I think of when I sayokay, well, why would being
(10:59):
pro-gun be the moral high ground?
Be the moral high ground?
I think it's a moral highground because what it tells
other people, what it tellssociety, is that you value their
life just as much as you valueyours.
What is a more concise way foryou to ensure that other people
are as safe as you are?
(11:19):
Unless you say you know what Iwant gun ownership for everybody
.
I don't want any one person tohave guns and others not to have
guns, because that's how youcreate tyranny.
That's how you create theconditions that are necessary
for violence to occur againstone specific group of people, or
maybe it's a weak person andsomeone's.
(11:42):
You know the weak and thestrong, and so it is an
equalizer.
Firearms are an equalizer andif you truly do care about
equality, that that that termgets thrown around all the time
equality they say they wantequality, but they really don't
want equal share of what ittakes to be equal Right, that's
right.
But if you say you reallyactually care about equality.
(12:06):
That's a leftist trope, that'sa leftist talking point is to
say oh, am I about equalityRight.
you never want an equal share ofthe work or an equal share of
what it takes to make it happen.
You want 100% of the means ofproduction.
When you produce nothing, yeah,I can see how you'd want the
means of production anyway.
When you produce nothing, yeah,I can see how you'd want the
means of production anyway, notto go down that rabbit hole.
(12:27):
But the truth is, you claim towant equality, but if you claim
to want equality and you don'twant everyone to be on equal
footing in terms of the abilityto do violence if necessary,
then that means you want amonopoly on violence.
That means you actually carenothing about equality.
You care only about yourability to have a monopoly on
violence.
So that's why I think thatfirearms are such a moral high
(12:51):
ground for someone to be pro-gun.
I want someone who even doesn'tthink the way that I do to be
armed, because I care aboutequality.
I may not agree with a person'spolitics.
I may not agree with theirreligion.
I may not agree with a person'spolitics.
I may not agree with theirreligion.
I may not agree with who theyare.
I may not agree with theirmorals and values or what they
think of me, but I'll alwaysagree with their ability to arm
(13:13):
themselves, because I believe inequality.
Everything else can sort itselfout on the back end, right?
If I say something, I canprotect what I say with my guns.
If you say something, you canprotect what I say with my guns.
If you say something, you canprotect what you say with your
guns.
If it goes beyond that, that'swhat we have our guns for.
I mean I guess, at the end ofthe day, if it comes to shooting
, then I guess we've come tothat impasse.
(13:35):
Well then, everyone should havethe ability to come to that
impasse.
Right and that's civilizedsociety.
It keeps everyone civil.
That's civilized society.
It keeps everyone civil.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well, kennesaw Georgia enters the chat, because
Kennesaw, georgia, actually hasa city ordinance that states
every single head of householdmust own a firearm.
It is in the city ordinance.
(14:07):
Now, I don't live in kenesaw,georgia, but it is a very well
known like city ordinance,because I think they're the only
city that mandates that createdthat ordinance.
That is out there.
I don't know anybody, any othercity, any other town, any other
state that does that andconsequently, statistically
speaking, they are one of thesafest cities in the metro
(14:28):
Atlanta area.
I looked it up.
I mean, it is what it is, man.
Now do they enforce theordinance?
No, they're not going door todoor like forcing it, but I just
think it's really cool for themto do that and say, hey, this
is your right, this is ordinance.
You have to have it because ifyou don't, bad things can happen
(14:51):
.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It's up to you to decide which household does or
doesn't.
We're telling everybody to havea gun, whether they do or don't
.
We're not going to make a bigdeal about it, but you should
know that in our eyes, everyhouse should have a gun, and I
think that makes thieves andpotential criminals think twice.
(15:14):
And that's why it's such a safearea.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's just like….
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Kennesaw is a big college town.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, KSU.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
KSU up there and you know great school and a lot of
the people there.
You know it's a pretty basedcollege.
They're very open-minded aboutcarrying.
You can have your gun atcollege.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I think they were one of the first ones to
say that was okay they hadcampus carry and you know what.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's safe.
You haven't seen anyshenanigans going on up there,
have you Nope?
You haven't seen anyshenanigans going on up there,
have you Nope?
What I find to be so crazy, matt, is that in society we are
expected to continuously give into these leftist talking points
(16:00):
and I say leftist but let'sjust say anti-gun points of how
well, if we ban guns, if we putmore restrictions on ownership
of guns, the carrying of guns,the type of guns someone can own
, let's just say restricting thetype of guns, magazine capacity
, carrying all of those sorts ofthings, let's just say firearms
at an eagle eye level thatwe're going to just have
(16:20):
stricter rules on how guns aredealt with in society.
That we're expected to believesomehow my phone is on, I'm
about to turn the ringer off,sorry about that, but so we're
expected to believe somehow thatif we keep following you know
their advice on the subjectmatter, that it's somehow going
to change, like the definitionof insanity is doing the same
(16:43):
thing over and over and overagain and expecting a different
result.
And I find it so crazy how theanti-gunners seem to just
consistently get it wrong overand over and over again, but
they won't listen to anyone'ssolutions, right?
But when we say, hey, here'sthe data.
Right, here's the crime data,here's the FBI statistics,
(17:05):
here's the you know gun data,whatever data we give them, this
is just raw data.
Right, do with it what you wish, here's the raw data we
interject the data and we saylook, according to this, that
the more people are armed wehave campus carry, we have armed
teachers, we have open carry.
Whatever We've made it easy forpeople to defend themselves
(17:27):
with a firearm in society, crimegoes down.
Wow, what a concept.
And it's so easy to prove.
It's so unmistakably andquantifiably easy to prove using
data.
It is so crazy to me how theanti-gunners can continue their
tirade of stupidity in the faceof such irrefutable and
(17:52):
unmistakable facts 100%.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Look at the schools that chose to basically promote
the fact that they are theirteachers carry.
They were.
Uh, we know, when there was awhole bunch of like school
shootings going on, there wereschools that would put big
billboards out in front of theschool that said our teachers
carry they.
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Just let you know up frontdon't come in here trying these
shenanigans, you're going to getdealt with, that's right.
How many of those schools hadanything happen to them?
You know, like, if you're justlike, hey, they choose people
that want to do violence.
Choose soft targets, not hardtargets.
But what if everything's a hardtarget?
There's like your slim pickings.
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There's not going to be thatmuch to choose from.
I have conversations with allkinds of people.
We run a jujitsu academy.
We have all kinds of studentscome through there and we don't
talk politics.
Part of what we do there is wesay, hey, we can talk about
anything except two things.
We don't talk about two thingsreligion and politics.
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We found that anytime you startmixing those two things in,
people don't get along.
Yeah, so we're like hey, if youdon't, if you don't take to the
art yeah, like you can talkabout whatever you want no
religion, no politics.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You know it is so funny that you mentioned that
and I'll tell not really a story, but it's just kind of to
support what you're saying is,uh, some of the I don't even
want to say it's like some ofthe communities that I am
involved in or things that I'vedone over the years, but like I
guess a good example would be, Ilike music and I love to play
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music and sometimes I like to goand sit in at like open mic
gigs or go sit in with myfriends who play music, you know
, and sit in with their band orwhatever, and it's so funny that
, like there's a stereotypicalimage of people who are into
music, that they're of a certainpolitical affiliation or they
have a certain view on guns, andand those stereotypes very well
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may be true in some circles,right that maybe some certain
types of musicians or artists oractors or people that are into
sports whateverthat they may have a certain
view on guns, that maybe it'snot, they're not necessarily
anti or pro-gun, but that theysimply just don't discuss it
Right.
And I find that thosecommunities are kind of like
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that, like generally, everybodykind of gets along and gets
together and has fun and playsmusic, and they're there to make
music.
They're not there to talk abouttheir religion or their views
or their politics.
And it's so interesting how,when you just keep those things
out of the equation, you findthat most people actually get
along quite well and if youdon't know who someone is or
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what they're really thinking,you could be jamming with
someone having a great time.
They might be anti-gun as helland they may not know that I'm
one of the biggest gun voicesout there, but we can still get
together and make music and havefun and no harm, no foul, no
one hates anyone, that's right.
There's just somethinginteresting about the idea of
community and what that shows,what your situation at the
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Jiu-Jitsu Academy, at your dojo,what that shows and what my
situation shows and thecircumstances I've been in and
being in public and being withthe artist community and the
musician community is thatpeople have to look for common
ground and transcend thebarriers based on things they
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agree on, not what they disagreeon.
And I think that's where thingsstart to get slippery in terms
of arguing about well, shouldsomeone be pro-gun or anti-gun
or whatever?
Let's just look at it under thetiny little lens of firearms
ownership, which is an extremelysmall part of someone's actual
overall personality, right?
(21:46):
Think about golf, right?
Okay, have I ever swung a golfclub?
I have.
I've gone to the driving range,but would I consider myself a
golfer?
No, do I own a set of golfclubs?
Nope, never have.
Will I ever own a set of golfclubs?
Nope, probably never will.
Do I think that golfers aredumb or lazy or boring?
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No, I think.
Hey, if someone likes to golf,by all means go and golf.
That's how some people look atgun owners.
They may not care about guns.
Maybe they don't wanna own agun.
They never will.
Maybe they've been to the range.
Maybe their friend took them tothe range and they had an
experience and they shot theirfirst gun.
Are they going to go buy a gun?
No, they may not.
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Will they ever own a gun?
Probably not.
Do they think guns are boring?
No, guns are fun.
Hey, we went to the range andshot guns in a controlled
environment.
Hey, we had fun.
Okay, guns are fun.
Are they going tophilosophically look at the
Second Amendment in the way thatwe would, as being this
important moral high ground ofprotection and shepherding the
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community around us?
Maybe not, but do they thinkotherwise?
Do they think that it's a badthing?
Maybe not.
So again, it comes down to whenpeople.
I guess the point I'm trying tomake is that when people come
into a conversation and they tryto find something they agree
with first, you're always goingto have a much more positive
experience than if you begin theconversation with something
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that's extremely divisive likethat.
And I guarantee you that ifpolitics came up, if religion
came up in the context of thatenvironment, I would be able to
have probably a much more civilconversation with someone that,
hey, like, wow, we love music,we love art.
We agree on something first,and then when we found something
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we disagree on, we might kindof laugh that off.
And I think that's thedifference.
People, they don't ever want tolaugh something off, they don't
want to agree, to disagree,they want to simply start with
the disagreement.
And when you start with adisagreement, right out the hole
.
It's just going to become afreaking blood bath, and when
the blood's in the water and thesharks, they start circling.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You know, what's so crazy about that is that you
literally just described aconversation that I had with my
eight-year-old daughteryesterday and the way and I and
so she was drawing a stitch fromLilo and stitch and I'm using
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this as a comparison because itjust puts you in the mindset of
a lot of people that you arguewith.
Sometimes they think like aneight-year-old.
So she's drawing a stitch andshe messes it up and she starts
crying.
She's like I'm not a goodartist, I'm not a good artist.
And I look at her and I saidwhat makes you think you're an
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artist?
And she kind of looks at me.
She's like what do you mean?
I was like all right, how longhave you been practicing drawing
?
How long have you been trainingdrawing?
She's like I haven't said thenyou're not an artist, you
haven't earned that.
Yet.
I said imagine my daughterwrestles 20 to 25 hours a week.
She trains extremely hard andshe's proud of it.
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I said imagine someone, one ofyour friends, does two wrestling
classes and says I'm a wrestler, now how would you feel?
It's like well, they're not.
I said well, why aren't they?
Because they've only done ittwice.
And I said all right, so whatmakes you think you're an artist
.
And then she looks up and she'slike huh, like a light goes off
in her head.
(25:22):
And I said so at the same timeI'm applying this to gun
ownership.
You own a gun.
That doesn't mean that you'rean advocate for the Second
Amendment.
It just means you're a gunowner.
You haven't become that stewardof the Second Amendment yet.
That doesn't mean that youcan't amendment yet.
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That doesn't mean that youcan't.
It just means that you haven'tdone what you need to do in
order to represent the secondamendment and in the way that
other people want you to.
So it's like when you look atthe news and they say, oh, this
is a gun owner, what is youropinion?
You can have your opinion, butdon't say that you're a second
amendment advocate yet opinion.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
but don't say that you're a second amendment
advocate yet.
You know, I do agree with thata lot and I think it's true.
And look, I might catch someflack here for saying this and
you, you probably be the lastthing you expect somebody like
me to say, but the truth is it'snot even required for you to be
a steward of the secondamendment.
If you don't want to be like,if you want to be a casual gun
owner that just owns a gun andmaybe hardly ever use it, I
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wouldn't recommend that.
I would recommend you get sometraining and actually understand
the tools at your disposal at ahigh level.
We're not talking about a setof golf clubs you can put in the
closet and just forget aboutand maybe every now and then
break them out and go to thedriving range with your buddies.
That's different.
If I go to the driving rangeand I suck at golfing, that's
okay.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
But you're not calling yourself a golfer Right?
I'm not going to call myself agolfer.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
If someone says do you like to golf?
Yeah, I like to golf, what doyou have?
Well, I have a set of golfclubs.
Yeah, I have golf a bit.
Yeah, I golf a bit.
I'm not a professional golfer,I enjoy golf.
I like golf.
At that overall level, you couldsay that.
But as a gun owner, I feel likeyou don't necessarily have to
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be some shepherd or steward ofthe community if you don't want
to be.
You don't have to let everybodyknow you're a gun owner if you
don't want to.
I think you should.
I think it's almost when we viewgun ownership as this.
I don't know, it seems likesome within the Second Amendment
community view gun ownership asthis strange religious
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quantifiability.
It's almost like this odd smallreligion that you're a part of,
like, oh, I'm a gun owner, I'mgoing to spread it like a gospel
and that's important.
Yeah, you have to be.
You know, sometimes the SecondAmendment, gun ownership in
general it does require someoneto get someone else into it for
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them to care about it.
So it requires ambassadorshipfor someone to go.
Well, wow, I never thoughtabout going to the range and
shooting, but man, this is fun.
I kind of actually care aboutthis.
And then once you changesomeone's mind enough to at
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least go out and give it a tryand just be open-minded enough
to give it a shot no punintended then you can kind of
start changing their mind on.
Well, you know why we have thisright.
You know why we have gunownership right.
Well, you know why we have thisright.
You know why we have gunownership right.
You know, because a tyrannicalgovernment tried to, you know,
control us and tax us, and wefought a revolution.
So then you explain, like, whygun ownership exists in the
United States.
Like this is not just so we cango out and shoot ski.
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This is not so we can go outand hunt animals, although those
are popular pastimes that areimportant to the American
culture that before all of thosethings existed, refusing to
allow an oppressive state tohave a monopoly on violence was
the first reason.
Then you can explain to themthis is the actual reason we
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have this and that light bulbgoes off in someone's head and
they go wow, I didn't realize itwas that deep.
Yeah, it is deep.
Like there's a very deep andphilosophical reason not
philosophical, but just like avery important logistical reason
for this to exist.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That is not just about hunting or anything like
this is way deeper than thatWell, I think that's the biggest
taboo that people don't want toget behind is that you nailed
it.
It's like when someone says,well, I'm a gun owner, but you
don't need this to go hunting.
It's not about hunting.
The whole purpose is that youhave a way to combat the
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government if they overstep.
It's not about hunting, andthat's the hardest part.
That's codified, yeah, andthat's in our.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
That's the reason for it.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Exactly, but they don't see it that way.
And and that's what I wastrying to get at with that
original story was that.
How many times have you heardsomeone say, when they give
their opinion on something, I'ma gun owner.
Just leave it at that.
If you would have stopped yoursentence right there, everything
would have been good.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, I never really trust anything somebody says.
If they say I'm a gun owner ora butt, yeah, anything after
butt is just crap.
I mean, you know, everyone'sentitled to an opinion and I
suppose that's somethingimportant to remember too is
like there are gun owners outthere who may not agree with
what I like to do as a gun owner, you know and that's.
(30:28):
OK, they don't have to agreewith me.
I think it's a little bit.
Well, it's actually a lot, alot of it very self-defeating to
apply your own boundaries toyour own rights.
I've never understood that, howsomeone can say, well, all I do
(30:50):
is hunt deer.
Therefore, I don't understandwhy you need your AR-15.
It's not required that youunderstand why I have it.
It's not even required that youunderstand why your own rights
even exist.
But it's certainly not yourplace to scrutinize the gun
owners.
That do understand.
I'm not going to say thatyou're in the wrong to just want
to hunt deer with your boltaction rifle.
That's fine, that's what youwant to do, go ahead.
But I think it's just.
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It's very self-defeating forsomeone to just easily give in
and say, well, I don'tunderstand the reason.
Therefore, you shouldn't haveit.
It's crazy.
That's the worst that's likethat's like saying you know, I
drive my F one 50, 70 miles anhour down the interstate, but I
don't understand why F one racecar exists.
Yeah, you don't need tounderstand why a 250 mile an
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hour race car exists.
You're driving an F-150.
It's a completely differentpurpose.
Both are going to get you frompoint A to point B, but one is
made for something vastlydifferent than the other and
both are relevant to the peoplewho want that tool for that
purpose.
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Firearms protect our ability toprotect the words in our mouth,
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association, freedom to come andgo, freedom to associate.
Gold protects our ability toescape predatory and usury-based
monetary systems that fluctuatewith the wills and wishes of a
few small groups of people whohave control of the print and
press.
That's true, gold is finite tosome degree.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
There's only so much gold.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
It has a cap and the prices on gold have consistently
been going up.
Silver has its ups and downs,but I would say generally I
don't have as much gold as Ineed to have, but but gold is a
really great investment.
It's been very consistent itreally goes in hand in hand with
the gun community.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Like people are into guns, it seems like it is kind
of weird how that happens yeah,they're into investing in gold
even when you look at like ig,you see posts of like gucci guns
and like gold coins.
They go together.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Especially lots of silver.
At one point I bought a wholebunch of Morgan silver dollars.
I still have them somewhere.
In fact they might be here inthe studio somewhere.
I'd have to look.
But I got a metric ton ofMorgan silver dollars Like.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I think I bought gosh .
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I think at one time I had about 300 of them.
Nice yeah, and those things areworth like 35 bucks a piece.
I think I bought gosh.
I think at one time I had about300 of them.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Nice, yeah, and those things are worth like 35 bucks
a piece.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yep, I need to find them bad boys yeah, I was like
you should know where those areat.
I might have to sell them.
Bad boys I got a bunch andthey're in like in these little
plastic tubes.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, but gosh, at one point I think spot was at
like and this has been someyears back, but I think spot
price on silver per ounce waslike.
I want to say it was like $22,$21.
And I bought a bunch and nowit's double, easily worth double
.
I think spot on silver like $41an ounce.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Nice, yeah, not quite the hike that you see with gold
, but you know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
But still a sound investment that's right, and
today's high price is tomorrow'smoney that you could have
doubled your money on Yep.
That's why bullion is such asound investment.
The price of the dollar becomesworth less and less and less.
But imagine buying into silverat $21 an ounce, only to find
out if it's worth $41 an ounce.
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Well, what got worth more money?
The silver still sat there.
It didn't change.
The dollar got worth less.
That's really what happened.
It's just scary to think aboutthat.
They can just arbitrarilychange the value of your money,
just based on usury, based oninterest rates and based on them
, just printing, just raisingthe debt ceiling and just you
(36:16):
know this, fractional banking.
I mean not to get off on thistangent because I didn't want
today's podcast to be about that, but it's wild to me how much
they manipulate the value ofmoney through various mechanisms
that I'm not going to pretendto understand every little
nuance, but I tell you I'mdefinitely paying attention to
it.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
That and the way that other countries handle debt,
like managing their buying debt,their trading debt, their
calling debt to manipulate themarkets for a long or putting
someone in jail over debt.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, I think that is a very the people in prison.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
sometimes I was going to say that's a very unique
American thing of jailing peoplefor being in debt.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, especially to the IRS.
That's crazy to me that thisgroup of people knows exactly
how much money I'm supposed topay them and even I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
But won't tell you and they won't tell you.
They won't tell you, you haveto guess that's the most wild
thing ever, I mean imagine theperson that came up with that
concept.
It's like hey, you owe us money, Well, how much you tell me?
You tell me how much you owe me.
It's like the Wheel of Fortune.
You start throwing like $20,000.
Nope, they always seem to know,they know, but they won't tell
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you.
Of course, dude, I'm going totell you a story.
Man Hit it.
The IRS came at me hard man,this was right when I sold my
first business.
I sold my first business and Ihad been out of.
I sold the business.
It was doing well, but I wantedto do something else.
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And about four years later, theIRS came after me saying that I
owed them like 50 or $60,000.
And I was like, okay, I don'tthink that's completely true.
But they said you owe us$50,000 and you need to send us
all this paperwork showing thatyou don't owe us the money.
(38:10):
And if you don't, if you don'tsend us them, if you can't prove
to us that you don't owe us themoney, you owe us the money.
And if you don't, if you don'tsend us them, if you can't prove
to us that you don't owe us themoney, you owe us the money.
I was like, where am I going tofind this, these documents from
like four or five years ago?
So I had to call my CPA.
Thank God he held on to thesedocuments that I needed and he
(38:31):
sent it over to me.
I, I sent it over to the IRSand they literally were just
like all right thanks.
And that was it.
They were like all right thanksfor sending over these
documents.
You no longer owe us any money.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
It was just that simple.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It was so simple One fax.
One fax saying hey, I don't oweyou this money and this is why
All right.
Thanks, yeah, and this is whyAll right.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Thanks yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
But imagine how many people they catch without the,
without holding onto thedocumentation for like four or
five years, and they're like nah, you owe us 50 grand it always
makes you think of Ron Swansonand that picture where he he
pulls out a little like why canyou do this?
And he pulls out a little thingand it's just like I have a
(39:16):
permission slip and he opens upand just says I can do whatever
I want.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
That is the.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
IRS man.
They can literally come afteryou for anything and you're done
.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
So we have a podcast that we're going to be doing in
the future.
I haven't really figured outhow I want to structure it, but
the concept that we had iscalled in America, the
accusation is the punishment andagain, not getting into lawfare
in today's show, because thisis mainly about guns that we're
talking about.
But it is crazy how theaccusation is actually the
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punishment, where you may beable to absolve yourself of
whatever they're saying thatyou're guilty of, but the
process of that, of absolvingyourself of that crime, is the
punishment.
It costs money, it costsresources.
You have to hire lawyers, youhave to go to court and they're
using your money.
They can go all day, they don'tcare.
(40:06):
They have unlimited money tohire all this money to clear
your good name, and all thewhile, here you are, you know,
going broke in the process, andthen they're trying to make you
broke in the process by tryingto, you know, hammer you to the
wall over money.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Well, it's crazy because it's wild, with the IRS
specifically and you might betalking about things outside the
IRS, but the IRS specifically,it's a long game for them
because they're charginginterest penalties like every
time, like, even though you'reyou're trying to defend yourself
every time that you're late ona payment you're getting you're
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getting that little letter inthe mail and that freaks you out
.
You're like what?
Speaker 1 (40:48):
it is wild interest how big the tax code really is.
There's so many lines in thetax code.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Can't get away from it.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
The garnish wages.
Yeah, when we look at the taxcode, you can also apply this
chicken little complex of thetax code to the way that guns
are looked at in terms of lawsand things.
So look at all the gun lawsthat are on the books.
We kind of pivot back tofirearms.
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You know which?
I love guns.
I love guns because they're atool of liberty.
You know they are a passive,inanimate object that has a
potential for many things, goodand bad and they only amplify
the soul and intention of thepeople that hold them.
I think there's a kind of astrange power in that.
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It's a power that if you chooseto wield it responsibly, it
should never be used.
It shouldn't have to be usedonly when you've been left with
no choice but to utilize thatpower.
I I mean imagine, I don't knowLord of the Rings and having the
ring.
It's like that kind ofmentality where the more you
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wear that ring, the more itcorrupts you.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I thought you were going to say Lord of the Flies
and you had the conch.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
It could be the conch shell too, from Lord of the
Flies, but the truth is, I meanone of them lords, right, but
yeah, lord of the Rings.
It's like the more you wear thering, the more it poisons you
and corrupts you, and it's likeyou're left with this choice of
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being invincible and all knowingand having the superpower,
whatever it is.
But yet, the less you use it,the more it beckons you and
calls you and drives you insaneto wield his power.
And some people will neverunderstand what it's like to
have power and choose not toexercise it.
I think that's the ultimatedisplay of love and restraint
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that a person can have is to begiven power and refuse to
exercise it unless it isabsolutely necessary.
And to me, that's what guns are.
I think the greater part ofsociety view gun owners as a
group of people that arebloodthirsty and they're
carrying their guns everywhereand they're looking for a fight,
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they're looking for trouble.
Now, I'm not going to say therearen't people out there that do
I mean.
Maybe there are.
Maybe there are some peoplethat they're just dreaming of
the day they're going to get insome crazy OK Corral, gunfight
or something.
But the reality is, those of usthat have been in combat.
Those of us that have been in apickle or two.
You know, matt and I have seena thing or two.
Now is that to say that we'vebeen in every little crazy
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situation.
We could write an entire volumeon gunfight 101, maybe not, but
we've been in enough scarysituations to know that violence
should be reserved for when noother choice is available.
Now war is different becauseit's a little bit more straight
to the point.
I mean, like they're trying toget you and you know it's either
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kill or be killed in thosesituations, or defend yourself
or or deal with whatever they'regoing to do to you.
But I think that, generallyspeaking, a lot of people tend
to lose sight of the fact thatfirearms are something that
you're going to carry it toprotect yourself.
But the most positive andoutcome you want the most is for
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it not to be used.
Right, if you go about your dayand you never have to use your
gun, that's a good day, and Ithink that's how most people
view it.
They don't want to have asituation where they're going to
have to use their firearm.
That's the last thing anaverage gun owner wants to do,
not only because of the moralconsequence or the logistical
(44:38):
consequence of having to dosomething like that.
Maybe you're risking.
You don't want to have yourfamily have to see that.
Maybe you're with your familyand the last thing you want to
do is think of having to dosomething like that in front of
your family.
But you also can't think of theidea of somebody hurting your
family.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
So it again becomes a matter of once that the point
of no return comes.
Do you fight or do you run away?
It's the fight or flight whichis a famous phrase we use here
on this podcast.
We've used quite a bit.
So what do you do?
Do you fight back or do you runaway?
Both are viable solutions.
(45:14):
Do you fight back or do you runaway?
Both are viable solutions,depending on the circumstance
and context.
I think fighting is going toget you further, and having the
will to fight and the tools tofight If you do have to fight,
you better dang well, have a gun.
You're not going to bring afreaking knife to a gunfight.
(45:36):
You're not going to bring fiststo a gunfight.
In my mind, if I have a gun andI don't have a choice but to
fight you, better believe I'mgoing to have a gun.
That's my view of it.
If I can escape a situationwithout bloodshed, I'll depart.
If I have a going to see myselfout of the situation.
But, if I have to, you betterbelieve I'm going to have the
(45:57):
means and the ability.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I think you said the key word there is if I have to.
There are lots of people thathave the misconception like they
want to get into a little bitof a tussle.
My obligation is to my daughterand to my wife and to my family
and to make sure that I, youknow I'm around to raise them.
If I'm in a situation where Ican not have to put myself in
(46:26):
that position, I'm not going to,I'm going to walk away.
Uh, if it's a driving incident,I'm going to slow down, I'm
going to let them pass.
I'm not going out of my way toput myself in those positions
(46:57):
because you never know what canhappen.
You, a husband that's going tocome home, that my daughter is
going to have a father that'sgoing to come home, and that's
my priority.
Outside of that, it is what itis.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
And you better believe that, if it does come
down to the situation wherethere is no other choice and you
do have to exercise, oh,extreme violence.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
You better believe it's going to be the best it's
going to be the worst violence.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
It's going to be the fastest, the most lethal, the
most the worst thing thatperson's ever seen.
I mean, because we as men and Idon't maybe I can't really speak
for every guy, of course Ican't speak for, obviously, for
women either.
I can speak for myself.
I tend to be the kind of personthat I kind of reserve it, I
(47:44):
hold it in reserve, I try not tolet petty little things bother
me, which we're all guilty ofallowing a little petty thing to
get under our skin from time totime.
I mean, we're all human,allowing a little petty thing to
get under our skin from time totime.
I mean, that's, we're all human, it's natural, right.
But I think I tend to be thekind of person that, like I try
to sweat, you know, sweat offthe small stuff, not let it
bother me.
But there's always like thatlittle kernel that stays there
(48:08):
and you kind of throw it in thegrain bin and it's like all
right, it's just a piece of it,but we're just going to, we're
going to let it lie, buteventually that grain bin kind
of gets full.
Oh yeah, fills up and it's likeyou kind of sit there with your
hand on the lever and thinkingthat, man, when someone opens up
this grain bin, it's going tobe so bad for them.
You know what I mean.
(48:28):
So you're like saving thosemicro frustrations up for the
moment that you need it toempower you.
I think that's ultimately, inmy mind, what true masculinity
is all about.
All these people have it sowrong with guns, matt.
They say well, you have a gunbecause you're afraid to fight,
You're afraid to have analtercation, you're afraid to
(48:50):
get in a verbal argument withsomeone, you're afraid to use
your verbal judo, you don't knowhow to fight, you don't know
how to use hand-to-hand combat.
They'll come up with any excuseoh, you got a little dick,
whatever.
They'll use any excuse they can,other than saying that you know
what?
If someone owns a gun, thatdoesn't mean anything.
You own a golf club, you own abaseball bat, you own a kitchen
(49:13):
knife.
Is that to say, oh, you own bigkitchen knives?
Oh, you're trying to compensatefor something?
No, it's just.
The fact is that you understandthe nature of violence.
To have a tool such as a gunand refuse to use it only if in
the most unexcapable situation,I think makes you way more
(49:37):
deadly than someone who wouldjust indiscriminately use a gun
in the wrong circumstance.
Oh yeah, and I think Beware ofthe person who doesn't want
violence, because that person,when they are pushed to violence
, it's going to be bad.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Well, we've seen that video and I know you've
probably seen it where the guypulls a gun out he's in traffic,
walks up to another guy'spickup truck, has it in his hand
and he goes to knock on thewindow and the guy shoots him
through the glass and it's likethe person.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
That guy opened up the freaking grain silo.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, Well it's that you could tell the guy that had
the gun in his hand he went tothe gun first.
Like that should be your lastoption.
Second of all, you shouldn't bewalking on people's cars, man,
like you don't know you're goingto get shot doing that.
But yeah, don't do that.
But to your point is like whenI carry a, I carry a firearm, I
(50:31):
do everything in my power to notuse it.
I walk away.
I'm diffusing situations.
It's the pulling that firearmis the last thing on my mind.
Matter of fact, sometimes Idon't remember I have it on me
until I need it.
It's like I'm not like, oh myGod, it's a situation.
It's like, hey, I'm just, it iswhat it is, man, have a great
day you know, always use yourverbal judo.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Verbal judo is a superpower, right, you know?
I think.
I think it's important for lawenforcement too.
You know, law enforcement,sometimes they have a hard job,
like you know they.
They have to be bartender, theyhave to hear everybody sob
story, everyone's innocent.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
I know it gets tiresome, but this is so
important for cops to use theirverbal judo and not be shooting
people left and right, and Ithink that we should all be the
same way too.
You should always try to talkdown a situation.
Don't escalate the situation,and I'll tell you, it's just so
wild to think about.
There's one video that alwayscomes back to my mind.
I don't think we can show it onYouTube.
(51:32):
It's not that it's necessarilyviolent, but I think it's like
copyrighted or something.
But I know y'all seen it.
Look it up.
Is the video where the, wherethe, the gas station clerk gets
robbed.
Okay, and this guy, um, he's um, an Afghanistan veteran.
He's got like long hair, helooks kind of hippie-ish and
even so, unassuming you wouldnever think this guy would
(51:52):
handle himself in this way.
But this guy walks in with agun, points it right at the guy
you know what I mean.
And this dude, without evenlooking up from his magazine,
like he's kind of got his headdown just looking at a magazine,
he looks up and the guy's got agun in his face and, almost
like as natural as having aconversation with this guy, he
(52:13):
reaches up and produces aBeretta M nine and has it in the
guy's face before this dude caneven process what happened.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
I've seen that video.
He's like, and the guy's likeyeah, the guy like he wasn't
ready for violence.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
That guy was unprepared to commit violence.
That veteran, that Afghanistanveteran, he was ready.
Yeah, it was that Afghanistanveteran.
He was red.
Yeah, it was like he didn'teven look up from his magazine.
He could not even be botheredto look up from his magazine and
he didn't even move his head.
He just he did this.
He didn't look at the gun.
(52:49):
He didn't point the gun.
He looked right in that guy'seyes and psyched him out and
just pointed the gun right inhis skull and that guy was like
whoa dude, that guy was like Idon't want no part of this and
he left.
He already had a gun pointed.
So who was ready to commitviolence in that moment?
The guy that had the gun pulledon, the clerk, or the clerk?
(53:09):
I guarantee you that clerk wasready.
If that guy would have waited asplit second, he would have
been catching around to thatBeretta right to his face.
And I mean what do you do?
And that guy probably wouldhave went home that night and
not lost a wink of sleep,absolutely not, he would have
probably slept better, right.
But that guy.
The way he reacted is just sowild.
When you want to talk aboutsomeone who's not ready to kill
(53:32):
versus someone who is, watchthat video, you'll see what I'm
talking about.
Compare the body language ofthe two of them and you'll see
like which one who which one wasready to do what was required
and which one wasn't, and that'sthat's a precarious situation.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
That's like a rock and a hard place, right guys
there, you don't know what'sgoing to happen.
Yeah, is he gonna.
Is he gonna shoot you after yougive him the money?
Yeah, so I mean you havenothing to lose at that did.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
He have every right to shoot in that moment oh dude,
I'm surprised he didn't right.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
I'm surprised he didn't.
He didn't the cops what tookmore restraint?
Speaker 1 (54:07):
what took more restraint?
The robber not to just shoothim or him not to defend himself
against a robber?
I mean, of course there's everyMonday armchair quarterback
that's going to say, oh well, hehad every right to shoot, yeah
he had the right to shoot, buthe didn't.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
He was calm as a cucumber.
He handled the situation reallywell.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
He did I mean that's not an easy thing to deal with.
It's not normal to have a gunpointed at you.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
And it could have been very well that that wasn't
a real gun.
Lots of times like not the notwell, I say that because Maybe
he noticed it wasn't real orsomething.
Well, no, maybe he didn't, butmaybe the guy didn't realize.
So lots of times these robbersare going in there with airsoft
guns and they're just trying tomake it like you're trying to do
a quick robbery, because inrealistically, why would he have
(54:58):
not shot him, like the, therobber person?
yeah, why would the robberoutside, outside of the fact
that maybe you're right, he'snot ready to commit violence.
He wasn't committed to it, he'she.
He was expecting the easy laydown.
Hey, I have a gun, give me themoney.
Yeah, easy payday no intention.
Yeah, he had no intention no,no, he did not have the intent
(55:18):
to murder somebody that day.
Obviously, the, the afghanistanvet, was fully committed to
like hey, we can do this, we candance, yeah I know that's crazy
I mean someone's got the dropon.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, I mean you're still gonna pull your gun.
It's like that.
That's that takes balls.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
So, my, my only thing I can think of is that two
things you.
That guy did not have theintent to commit murder.
He wanted the easy money or two, he didn't have a way to commit
murder because the gun wasn'treal and he thought it was going
to be easy lay down and healmost lost his life, yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Over down and he almost lost his life, yeah, over
a freaking airsoft gun.
Maybe he was woken up in thatmoment to realize, like dude,
this guy does, this guy does notgive a crap like he.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
He literally had a gun pointed at him, didn't care,
he still pointed a gun, becausethere was another video of like
three teens going in and likethey walk in with a handgun and
then they don't even make itthrough the door.
Man, like the glass door he'swalking in, he opened, he goes
to open the door with a pistoland that guy- just I think that
on that one I think they saw himon the, on the on the camera.
One of them like dude.
(56:22):
He hit one of them like threetimes.
Man just dropped him rightthere.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
I mean door you got a right to defend your business,
man.
I mean, I guess it just dependson how, how threatened you feel
.
I mean, all right, in the heatof the moment again not playing
monday quarterback, but in theheat of the moment if I saw
three armed men showing going inthe front door and I'm there
alone, it's late at night, it'sa place of business.
(56:45):
They're carrying guns.
What do you think's gonnahappen?
They're not coming there to belike hey, let me show you my, my
gun no, they're coming to showand tell, right, yeah, it ain't
show.
And tell you, better believe I'mgoing to be grabbing my iron.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, which is exactly why they would argument
you don't need more than, like,seven rounds, like.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
I don't know about that.
Yeah, man Scary, but I thinktoday's show was really good man
.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, I enjoyed the conversation.
Yeah, it was a goodconversation.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
It was a good, wholesome conversation about why
our rights are so important andwhy, I think again, the moral
high ground is to supportfirearms, and I hope that more
people will see it in that wayand see it from that light.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
That's my goal with a lot of this content is to get
people on the right track tothinking about it in the way,
getting their mindset where itneeds to be.
I mean, if we could do that anddon't think of it as like I'm
just a gun owner, but alsobecome a steward, a shepherd of
the Second Amendment, go, takethat extra step.
Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, get people involved, even if
it's not politically.
Take someone out to the range,give them some exposure to it,
you know, maybe train someone,give them a little bit of time
to you know.
See that that is not a badthing, it's just completely
normal.
Yep, I think that there are alot of gains being made, as much
(58:11):
as it's easy to have a verynegative opinion about how all
this stuff has been handled overthe years and how things
politically have been going interms of laws and things of that
nature.
I think we are gaining groundboth culturally and legally.
On the legal front, I mean,we've had some good Supreme
Court cases.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
So you know, we'll see.
Yeah, Now it's just the states.
Speaker 1 (58:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think the outlook is pretty good, so
we'll see.
We're going to keep thepressure up.
Anything else to add, matt,before we head on today?
Speaker 2 (58:40):
No man, that was a great conversation.
I enjoyed it.
You know, it's always fun whenwe get to talk about guns.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Look, y'all, we post everyMonday at 9 am Eastern Standard
Time, if I remember to uploadthe show, usually I do.
Okay, I'd say there's probablyabout a realistically, I'd say
probably about a 70% chance thatthe show is going to be there
at nine o'clock on Monday.
But 70%, I'd say 70%, it'sabout a solid 70%.
(59:07):
Anyway, we typically post theshow 9 am Monday, 9 am Monday
sharp Eastern Standard Time.
If you want to see our uglymugs on YouTube, it's over on
the YouTube channel IRAC Veteran8888.
Lots of content also, sincetoday's show is about guns, if
you want to learn about guns, Ihave gosh 1,600 videos about
guns, so plenty of stuff for youto go through and learn.
(59:31):
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(59:51):
the folks who have supported usin our endeavors and, of course,
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always looking to do bigger andbetter things.
I do want to do some moreflights.
Those do require a little bitmore, let's just say, involved
preparation.
But you guys might recall ourflight or fight series Kind of
made me think about that todaywe talked about it.
(01:00:12):
So we do flights of differentthings, different food and
alcohol and things of thatnature which I don't drink
anymore.
But maybe we'll do some, uh,more hot peppers or some hot
sauces.
That's always fun, you know.
Maybe we'll do some uh so let meknow what's your favorite crazy
hot sauce.
Uh, maybe we'll get some jarsof hot sauce and do a taste test
(01:00:32):
.
Be kind everybody, I want thehottest ones, but not
necessarily the hottest ones,the best ones.
What hot sauces do you like?
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
There's always the Last Dab.
It's a pretty popular one.
What are?
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
your favorite hot sauces, let us know down below
and we will put together aflight and we'll do another hot
sauce flight.
That'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Okay Under duress.
Yeah, turn my ear and forceanother hot sauce flight.
That'd be fun.
Okay, all right Under duress.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, turn, turn, turn my ear
enforcement.
All right, y'all have a greatweek.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
We appreciate it.
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