LLP #140: A Step Too Far?

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The fastest way for power to grow is during a crisis—and right now, many cities are living on that edge. We dig into the hard stuff: National Guard deployments on urban streets, cross‑state activations, and the rise of plain‑clothes detentions around federal facilities. We separate legitimate public safety needs from the creeping normalization of opaque authority, and we ask the question that matters most: are we building accountable order or just getting comfortable with control?

From there, we follow the money. Immigration enforcement is changing the labor market—truckers’ wages are moving, competition shifts, and people feel the difference at work. But tariffs and inflation hit at the register, quietly taxing everyone while Congress pushes trillion‑dollar packages that nobody reads line by line. We connect those dots so you can see how street‑level policy and macroeconomics collide in your daily budget, not just in headlines.

We also call out the incentives that keep the fog thick: omnibus bills that hide votes, insider trades that reward silence, and a culture that punishes anyone who won’t toe the line. Along the way, we highlight a Chicago case that shows how a database error can turn a lawful gun owner into a felon overnight, and we lay out the bright lines that protect civil liberties—clearly identified officers, clear jurisdiction, and proportional force.

If you care about safety without surrendering freedom, this conversation is for you. Hit play, then tell us where you draw your red line and why. Subscribe, share with a friend who argues back, and leave a review to help more people find the show. Your voice helps set the standard we’ll all be living under tomorrow.

Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome back, everybody.
This is Eric and Matt, and thisis Life, Liberty, and the
Pursuit.
Your beacon of freedom and theAmerican way of life.
Tune in every Monday for a newepisode as we dive into the
world of liberty and what makesour country great.
Alright, everybody, welcomeback.
This is Eric and Matt here withLLP, and I hope everybody has
had a wonderful week.

(00:20):
Life, Liberty, and Pursuit isyour home for all things normal
in a world gone completely mad.
And I appreciate all of ourwonderful listeners andor
viewers for uh coming back foranother episode.
And today we're gonna be divinginto some crazy stuff, and I
can't wait to get into it.
Matt, how are things?

SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
Great, man.
Um, you know, you we wake up,both feet hit the ground, no
back pain, no knee pain.
We're good, man.
We're good.

SPEAKER_00 (00:46):
You know, so is this the the 40 and over podcast now
where we talk about all the crapthat goes on when you start
getting older and broke and allmessed up and stuff?

SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
Oh, yeah, man.
Like just residual pains fromgrowing, you know, living life.

SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Yeah, just a general feeling of existential dread,
um, a feeling of general terror,like you could die any minute.
Kind of those things start.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07):
Exactly.
Yep, anxiety, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09):
Yeah, okay, right on.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
So your knees are still working for now, until the
next guy grabs a hold of my footand starts to yank.
That'd be bad.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
It's funny, like in the intro, I almost caught
myself going a little bitWilliam Shatner.
Um, I've been watching StarTrek, going back and watching
all the Star Trek movies, anduh, and it's almost like, all
right, today we will go and makeour episode.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
Yes, and another the miming.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35):
Yeah, yeah.
And I start drinking coffee andI start talking about William
Shatner, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39):
Yeah, that's those movies were great, man.
Like that's the OG ones withlike Spock and Scotty and the
the first Star Trek movie, oh mygod, it's so freaking good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:53):
That how can you top it?
It's like the movies gotprogressively worse, but the
first Star Trek movie was like,oh my god, it's so freaking
good.
It's it's so good.
How are they gonna how can theytop that?
I mean, the colors, the thefilming, just the special
effects, it's like wow, theyreally knocked that movie out of
the park.

SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
I mean, so good.
The Wrath of Khan was prettygood, man.
Like that was a good one.
Just like the whole story, likeyeah, like everything about it
was was good.
I enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_00 (02:23):
Search for Spock isn't bad.
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (02:24):
I like the OG crew, you know, with with Kurt, Uhura,
yes, Uhura, yeah, exactly, man.

SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
You know, like anyway.
So today's episode, y'all.
We're not gonna be talking aboutStar Trek, unfortunately.
We may maybe in a future episodethe content a little bit, but um
today's episode, we're gonna betalking about you know, all of
this stuff going on with theNational Guard being deployed to
various cities, and uh is this aform of government overreach, as

(02:52):
we say in the title, a step toofar.
Um, at what point um does thegovernment need to step in and
intervene in society, and howmuch of that should we allow?
Um, we're gonna dive into somenuance on this and discuss it.
I have some feelings about it.
I know Matt has some feelingsabout it, and we're gonna give
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So I'm sure that it goes withoutsaying that there's been a lot
of attention that's that's beinggiven to the current state of
things in our country, and it'snot always easy to talk about
because you know, people Matt,people kind of have this like uh

(04:39):
head in the sand approach tolife sometimes.
And and I get it, like as I'vesaid in previous videos, you
know, and and podcasts with you,that life is hard and it's not
getting any easier, and peopleare struggling in some cases to
make ends meet, they're workinghard, they're trying to do their
best to take care of theirfamilies and enjoy a life of
dignity and fun and love withtheir family, and and sometimes

(05:02):
that forces a person to choosevery carefully how they spend
their time.
And sometimes it's like, hey,when you have a free hour or
two, you'd rather go with yourkids to the park or walk the
dogs or do something with yourfamily.
And yeah, not everyone is gonnasit on Twitter and doom scroll
and see all the latest tea thatis going on in the world.
Now, granted, those dopaminehits uh they do hit, and for for

(05:26):
many, it's it's a thing, right?
But I'm not gonna blame someonefor not paying attention to some
of the things that are going onbecause some people are just
simply ingrained in the joy andminutia of life, and and that's
okay.
Um, I'm not gonna blame someonefor not paying attention to
issues if that's what they do.
Uh, however, there, you know,there's been a lot of attention

(05:48):
and scrutiny drawn towards theseNational Guard deployments,
right?
Uh there was a National Guarddeployment in Washington to
basically deal with crime, uhrampant crime that they were not
happy with, Matt.
And now we see that the NationalGuard's been deployed to, where
is it, Seattle up there?

SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Uh uh Portland's Portland, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:05):
Portland, right.
I mean Portland, Oregon is sucha weird little city, right?

SPEAKER_01 (06:10):
But that whole area's always been very, very
left-leaning.
Like, like almost like to wherethe I believe like they the
local governments were shut downfor a like really long time.
So yeah, the the guard uh is outthere, uh, and I believe it's
because of uh in Oregonspecifically, it's the ICE, uh

(06:31):
the ICE detention center.
So I was watching a report andthey're kind of they've been out
there for a while, apparently,so about 120 days or so, just
kind of protesting in the infront of the ICE detention
center as as they're bringingpeople in and out.

SPEAKER_00 (06:44):
Um and there's been some clashes and things, right?

SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
Yeah, I mean there's always Yeah, there's always when
you start looking at stuff likethat, there's always a reason to
bring the guard in.
Um, but when you start talkingabout government overreach, I
think it's not the fact that theNational Guard was deployed.
And it's not just the NationalGuard, it's also like ICE,
Homeland Security, um, all ofthose, all of those uh, you

(07:09):
know, departments.
I think the guard is just themost prevalent one because
they're they're seen the most.
A lot of times, uh lots of timesit's like the ICE and Homeland
Security are plain clothes, soyou don't see them that that
much.
But it it is I they're doingwhat they're supposed to be
doing.
That's what the guard is inplace for.
The guard is used as a statetool, unless they've been

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federalized and moved to adifferent state.
Um, which is to me, is kind ofweird that you're using a
different state's National Guardinstead of your own National
Guard.
Um so that would that to me, Idon't understand the I don't I
don't maybe I need to do alittle bit more research on it,
but I don't understand theconcept behind that.

SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
Well, think about it like this, okay?
You're driving along in yourlocal city, or let's just say a
highway that's adjacent to alocal area you live in, or
something like that.
Like here we have Highway 75.
All right, you're cruising downhighway 75, you get pulled over
for speeding, all right, andit's let's just say it's the
county next to yours orsomething like that.
All right.
That cop that's running speedthere for that neighboring

(08:16):
county probably doesn't live inthe county that he polices in.
And there's a that's very commonthat a lot of people will go a
county or two over to policebecause they don't want to
police in a county they live inbecause they don't want the
locals knowing that they're apolice officer and then treating
them differently within thesociety they live in.
So you know, maybe, and ofcourse, this is me speaking out

(08:38):
of turn or speaking, let's justsay out of fashion here, but but
maybe it's that the reasonthey're bringing in another
state's guard is that the thecitizens of that state, uh, was
it Oregon?

SPEAKER_01 (08:49):
Oregon.

SPEAKER_00 (08:49):
Uh the citizens of Oregon don't have to carry out
these things against their ownpeople.
They'll just use another state'sguard to do it.
So then when those guys deployback home, well, they're back
wherever they came from, andthey don't have to worry about
the locals constantly unmaskingthem and knowing who they are.
So maybe it becomes an OPSEC uhissue for them where they want
to maintain a little bit of uh,you know, anonymous fashion in

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terms of not being really knownby anybody.

SPEAKER_01 (09:15):
But I would argue that that's the reason that
they're getting such a bad rap.
And guys, don't get this wrong,I'm not advocating that you
shouldn't uh, you know, use theguard or anything's wrong.
But the fact that those peoplein the guard don't have any ties
to their state or theirneighborhood, they're treating
people inappropriately.

SPEAKER_02 (09:36):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (09:36):
Versus if you live in the area, you don't have to
be unmasked because they knowyou.
Maybe the you can it's like whenyou walk into the store, like
those old police, like theexperiences where like you walk
in and everybody knows thesheriff or the police officer,
and they're like, hey man, likedon't make me do this.
Just and then they they go aheadand just listen because they
know you, you have arelationship with them, it's a

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lot easier to deal with someoneyou know, like all right, for
instance, I you know, goodexample.

SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
If I got hemmed up on something and my sheriff came
to talk to me, well, you betterbelieve like I have a great
relationship with my sheriff.
I mean, that's gonna thatconversation's gonna hit
different for me, yeah, becauseI have a personal relationship
with their family, like I knowthem.
So, yeah, obviously, like it'sgonna be way harder to not want
to do the right thing.
Not that I would ever be in thatposition, you know, because I'm
a I'm an angel.

SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
Law abiding citizen.

SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
Law abiding citizen.
Oh, we must fight to the deathor they will kill us both.
Shatner.
Shatner.
Sorry, I've been watching toomuch Star Trek.
But the point is, you're right.
Uh now, where would this thesethings start to draw some awry
from people or or air frompeople where they're going,

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okay, well, we can understandyou're bringing in another
state's national guard.
And look, let's backtrack for asecond.
Um, the the governor of eachstate has direct control over
the guard resources in theirstate.
Okay.
They do receive federal funding,all right?
Considerable amount of and andmainly in the form of equipment,
um, in the form of let's saylike bases, like if a state

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maintains uh a large infantrypost, like here in Georgia, we
have Fort Benning, we have FortStewart.
I mean, those are large, youknow, posts that are within our
state.
Yeah, those receive a lot offederal funds to obviously, you
know, keep those those basesgoing.
And I'm sure that there's somesort of underwritten kind of
agreement that, you know, hey,because our state hosts this

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much infantry or whatever, thatyeah, if there were a war or
something, they're probablygonna draw on the Georgia Guard
maybe a little quicker than theymay draw on some of the
neighboring states just becauseof the resources we have within
the state.
Now I'm speaking out of turnhere, but the point I want to
articulate is that the governorhas direct control over the
guard and can deploy them withintheir state or other states

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pretty, I think with relativeimpunity.
Um I think that they have to,you know, go through some
different channels, like when itcomes to deployment on Title X
to go overseas, like what wedid.
But generally, um the governor,you know, for an emergency or to
render aid to a local state, Ithink it's pretty easy for them
to rubber stamp and send theguard wherever they want within

(12:14):
reason.
So just want to make that uhclear in case people didn't
know.
Every state has their own guard.
Um, that, you know, maybe justin case that wasn't known.
And what is the National Guard,right?
The National Guard is basicallya reserve type auxiliary
component of the military,right?
You have the Air National Guard,which is like your air uh force

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version, right, of the NationalGuard.
Like kind of think of a guardsoldier, kind of like
reservists, right?
They go and they train um, youknow, a couple of weekends out
of the month or one weekend outof the month.
They have annual training, twoor three weeks.
They may deploy overseas duringthe annual training if they're
lucky, or the annual trainingmay be locally, uh domestically.
And they get together and theytrain skills and they build uh,

(12:58):
you know, unit um, you know,cohesion, and and and they are a
group of people who can berelied on in the event of
natural disasters, even todeploy overseas and fight wars
if necessary.
So the guard can do anythingthat an army reserve unit can
do, or marine reserve unit, soon and so forth.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (13:17):
I would say even more because the the difference
between the National Guard andthe Reserve is the reserves
don't have any combat armscomponents, which is why you
usually see other states goingin.
Um, and it's usually theirinfantry units or their combat
arms units that are going in.
The reserves are strictlysupport.

(13:38):
So yeah.
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 (13:39):
So the guards are the only ones that have actual
combat.

SPEAKER_01 (13:42):
Correct.
Yeah, the reserves have nocombat arms.
Huh.
That's it's strictly that's thatthey they are there to
supplement big army as assupport and logistics and
everything.

SPEAKER_00 (13:52):
So big army relies on the guard if they need more
combat arms.

SPEAKER_01 (13:56):
Correct.
And that's why they did so manyrotations overseas in Iraq.
And all those infantrybattalions were going.

SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
So at what point, all right, this seems rather
innocuous.
Okay, there's some trouble,people are causing some issues.
Now, look, is there a differencebetween protesting and causing
an outright ruckus?
Yes, there are.
I mean, you have the right toprotest, okay?
Now, granted, there are probablysome provisions and some rules

(14:23):
for protests that you have tofollow, but generally speaking,
from what I understand, uh toorganize a protest is not
incredibly difficult.
You know, you can you can youcan organize a mass protest and
by all means protest.
Uh the police will protect you,they'll be there, you know.
Um I went up to an open carryrally at the state capitol.
This has been some years ago.

(14:43):
This is when Barry was stillalive.
And uh, and sure, they had umorganized a big open carry rally
at the Capitol, right?
And it was like maybe a coupleof hundred, two or three hundred
people showed up with guns, likeyou know, open carry rifles on
your chest, the whole nineyears.
Wait, the Georgia Capitol?
Yes, right up at the GeorgiaCapitol.

SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
I thought you meant like decal.
I was like, oh my god, how wouldthat be?

SPEAKER_00 (15:04):
So it's like you got 300 people standing around with
long guns, yep.
Open carry rally, and it's justto show solidarity for the
Second Amendment.
And at the time, I think we weredealing with some potential
anti-gun legislation in thestate of Georgia, which is kind
of odd to hear, but the statelegislature in Georgia has
generally been pretty good onthat.
And uh, you know, Kemp, there'ssome things about Kemp I don't
agree with, but he's generallybeen pretty good on guns.

(15:26):
Uh, I think this was even backwhen Purdue was governor.
So this has been a while.
Okay.
But anyway, yeah, you got 300people out there with guns, and
of course the cops are out theretoo.
You know, that GSP was out thereand they were armed, and it's
like, you know, hey, everybodywas cool.
They didn't give us a hard time,we didn't give them a hard time.
They knew what was going on, weknew what was going on, and it
was cool.
We were able to speak at theCapitol, you know, give give

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show our support uh and and showour willingness to, you know, um
let our voices be heard, andthat's fine.
You can protest all you want.
At what point, though, does aprotest turn into, you know,
crazy politically driven literalviolence, such as, you know, now
you're talking pushing overpolice cars and burning

(16:07):
buildings and setting thefreaking police department on
fire.
Is that a protest anymore?
I mean, maybe to the left it maybe.
They they love to use violenceand uh and destroy property.
They they love to destroyproperty.
So again, without going on thethe limb of being called some
statist or something, that's notwhat I'm trying to say.

(16:28):
Okay, I'm not trying to say thatI agree with any government
overreach of any sort.
But can you really expect to betreated any differently if you
act that way?
I mean, I think that if you wantto be treated with respect, you
got to treat others with respecttoo.
You know, we we have the rightto protest.
There are protocols for thesethings.
We do it so that we all knowwhat's going on, no one hurts

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each other, we let our voice beheard, all good, right?
It happens all the time.
Plenty of protests.
I mean, look at that No Kingsprotest I had the other day.
Now, I'm not gonna get into theweeds in that, but the guard
wasn't called out for thatbecause you know, I mean, people
were acting a little crazy, andthere's some viral uh meme
moments that are memeable forsure for some of the crazy

(17:12):
characters we saw out there.

SPEAKER_01 (17:13):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (17:14):
But other than them just being crazy and a little
batshit weird, they didn'treally do anything wrong that
would merit needing to, youknow, call a guard unit out to
quell the issue.
If the guard gets called outover uh an assembly or protest
or something, it's because theyhave deemed that the level of
violence has gotten to a pointof no return that the local law

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enforcement can't handle ontheir own.
Or the local law enforcement isnot willing to handle it on
their own.
Now, there are some things aboutall of this that don't set well
with me, and I think Matt, uhyou and I are probably on the
same page here.
I want to let I want you toelaborate because I I know what
you're probably gonna mention,this whole snatching thing where
they're pulling people over.
What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
Like if you and I say this because if it from what
the reports are showing and fromwhat all the video evidence is
showing, they're essentiallyblack bagging people that they
they allege are here illegally.
Um, and you guys will can lookat the videos, they're all over

(18:26):
the internet.
Um they're just walking up plainclothes what are believed to be
um federal agents.
We don't know because they failto identify themselves.
So you'll see everybody'srecording good.
I mean, obviously, you we havethe technology, and we've seen

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it time and time again that youknow these videos have brought a
lot of injustices to light.
I am anti-government overreach.
I don't I don't believe youshould even need a permit to
protest.
If it's a public area, you goout there.
The only time you the onlyreason you need a permit is so
that you don't have twoconflicting protests going on at

(19:06):
the same time.

SPEAKER_00 (19:07):
So, like to me that's and I think it's also
good that the cops know kind oflike what's going on so they
they they know that you're nottrying to do anything nefarious.
Fair enough.
Now, now now look, I I'm not I'mnot saying that there should be
some permit required, but ifyou're gonna amass 500 people in
one place to, you know,especially if if everybody's
gonna have guns, probably not abad idea to let them know, hey,

(19:28):
we're gonna do this.

SPEAKER_01 (19:29):
You can let them know.

SPEAKER_00 (19:30):
Let them know so they don't show up with some
freaking you know, trucks ofarmed men and try to cause a
stink, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (19:36):
I'm not a fan of them saying shutting it down
because you don't have a permit.
Like if you're just letting themknow, that's fine.
But don't use it as an excuse toscore.

SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
Yeah, like if they walk up, hey, what's going on?
There's a lot of people withguns.
Oh, we're just having a protest.
It's all good.
Yeah, everybody's fine.
We're allowed to put the kidsand dogs are here.
There's a clown face paint like,you know, it's like making a
family thing.
Yeah, and a lot of times they'llthey'll make it kind of a family
thing.
When I went up to the rally inVirginia, the big 2A rally.
Oh my God, we had so many peopleshow up to that 2A rally in

(20:05):
Virginia, thousands of people.
Yeah, they completely floodedthe streets.
And I tell you, it was one ofthe most interesting things that
I've ever witnessed as anAmerican in terms of uh a
demonstration, right?
For one, everybody was armed.
I'm talking, there were guyswalking around with Barrett and
107s.
I mean, there was guys walkingaround with scars, everyone was
armed.
And I'm gonna tell you thedemographic, the makeup of those

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people, all different sorts ofpeople.
Black, white, Hispanic, Asian,you name it, they were there.
Everybody was represented.
Nobody was at each other'sthroats, everybody was getting
along, they were all peaceful,everybody was hanging out,
eating snacks, they had freakingstreet food.
I mean, it was it was great.
And one of the most interestingthings about that rally when it

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was over, not a speck of trashon the street.

SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
It's always like that.
They picked up that I like it.

SPEAKER_00 (20:57):
They didn't trash the place, everything was in
order and well kept, not even somuch as a fucking cigarette butt
on the ground.
Now, if you tell me that is notan honest representation of the
Second Amendment community, Idon't know what is.
So I always tend to view myability to protest and let my

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grievances be known to thegovernment as a Second Amendment
supporter.
I always view that as uh with abit of pride because I I know
what my people were capable of,and I know how good they are,
and I know that they're all, youknow, good, honest people that
are always going to do the rightthing.
So it's very easy for me to putmy name in front of something
like that, um, knowing that thatwe got such great people, you

(21:41):
know.
So not every movement you youcan really say the same thing
about, right?
You you look at all this stuffwith Antifa, and you know,
they're doing no telling what,and and they're literally
advocating for politicalviolence at a far-reaching
level.
And so when you have a group ofpeople who say, hey, we're gonna
get together and show up at theCapitol with our guns and just
show solidarity and andrespectfully uh protest our

(22:05):
ability, you know, hey, likehere's our Second Amendment
rights, we don't want them to beinfringed, whatever.
That's one thing when you comewith a message of peace and you
come with a message ofsolidarity, but when you come
with a message of politicalviolence and it's like an openly
known thing and they don't eventry to hide it, it's like, how
are they supposed to react?
That would be my argument.
So, yeah, everyone's againstgovernment overreach.

(22:26):
Nobody wants the National Guardto show up and start curbs
domping people.
Nobody wants people to show upand start black blackbagging
people.
No matter who on the left orright you talk to about this
issue, no one agrees with thefeds coming in and snatching
people up in the night.
Nobody wants that.
Uh, you know, now there'sprobably a huge subset of people
on the right who are tickle pinkthat their opponents are being

(22:48):
rounded up and thrown in federalprison.
And maybe some of them need tobe thrown in federal prison, but
not because they're politicallyuh divisive and being opponents
of you politically, but becausethey've committed an actual
crime.
Maybe they've committed arson orthey've damaged some property.
Well, does it matter if somebodyis a Democrat or Republican, if

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they've committed a crime,they've committed a crime?
And in my view, um, nobody isabove the law.
So, okay, if these people aredumb enough to commit these
crimes in the presence of thesepeople and they get hemmed up,
that's on them for doing that.
All right.
So in my mind, um I don't reallysee a problem with those people
being hemmed up.
If somebody on the right didsomething terrible, they would

(23:30):
get hemmed up too.
I don't think they would makeany distinction um of someone's
political uh affiliation ifthey've committed a crime.

SPEAKER_01 (23:37):
Uh yeah, I I would agree.
However, the videos that arecirculating are just normal
people um just riding the subwayor driving down the street,
they're getting pulled over andit and it blows me away because
now we're discussing ICEdetentions.

SPEAKER_00 (23:52):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So like I don't agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 (23:54):
Just like ICE or Homeland Security, whoever they
are, because again, they don'tthey don't declare what agency
they're with, which I don'tunderstand um how they get away
with that.
Yeah, and it just blows me awaybecause you you see it and it's
very reminiscent of like thestop and frisk papers, like,
hey, you have to show me thatyou're an American.
Like, I don't really carryaround anything that identifies

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me strictly as an like, just forexample, me, like I have a
driver's license, but you don'tneed to be a citizen to get a
driver's license.
Not I mean, so it just turnsinto like this, oh, we're gonna
arrest you now, and then youhave to prove later that you're
a citizen, which goes againsteverything of pre in presumed
innocence um before the fact.

SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Their argument is that an illegal an illegal
doesn't have rights.
So if they suspect you of beingan illegal, they can detain you
indefinitely until they figureout who you are.
But who's in their mind, right?
I'm just telling you the waythey think.
If they're like, well, thisperson has no rights, but what
about the situations where aperson's detained and they are a

(25:02):
citizen and they're way hugelyinconvenienced for days,
sometimes weeks, and no tellingwhat type of uh legal fees they
have to incur to exonerate theirname against a group of people
who simply you know just thoughtthey were illegal because maybe
they were Hispanic or they werewhatever.

SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
And and that and nobody around them are stepping
up to help.
So if I was there, and I'm notsaying this because you know I'm
an armchair quarterback, I wouldwould have to be inclined to say
something and do something if Isee two or three guys that are
in plain clothes handcuffing adude that are refusing to

(25:41):
identify what agency they workfor, who they are.
Yeah, who how do you know whothey are?
It could be the KGB, man.
Like, who knows, man?

SPEAKER_00 (25:51):
Like I mean, it could be someone impersonating a
nice officer, and maybe they'regonna kidnap you or something.

SPEAKER_01 (25:56):
What if it wasn't a guy?
What if it wasn't a 40 or50-year-old Hispanic guy?
What if it was a young girl, uha 16-year-old uh you know, girl
of ethnic descent, and thenthey're just like three dudes in
plain clothes, handcuffing andpulling off, refusing to
identify.
Then what?

SPEAKER_00 (26:12):
Well, they are saying that there's over 170,000
applications on the desk to beICE uh ICE officers.

SPEAKER_01 (26:19):
They're not grabbing the cream of the crop.
They are.
I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_00 (26:22):
They have received a lot of applications, and and
look, I'm probably gonna getsome pushback on this, but the
truth is, is I I need to be sortof clear on this, right, when it
comes to all this.
The right has been relatively,and look, I I can call it like I
see it, because I'm neitherRepublican or Democrat or
libertarian.
I'm just a person who just I'mlooking at the giant globe like

(26:45):
a like the sorcerer.
You know, I see what everyside's doing, and and I I see I
try to look at it from thatholistic overall crystal ball
kind of view.

SPEAKER_01 (26:53):
You call it how you see it.
I call it how I see it.

SPEAKER_00 (26:55):
So the right has been guilty of celebrating, you
know, things like, oh, they say,well, I voted for Trump, and
Trump is deporting illegals,therefore I'm getting what I
voted for.
All right, fair enough.
Uh, you know, look, I fall intothe camp where, yeah, like
there's some of these peoplethat need to get out of here.

SPEAKER_01 (27:12):
Okay.
Obviously.
There's a lot of majority ofthem.

SPEAKER_00 (27:14):
And and right now, I I read a report the other day
that um truckers are now seeingmuch higher wages because they
have been deporting so manyillegals.
Well, yeah, if you're not havingto uh compete with what was it,
some 20 million or something,like 20 million illegals,
they're saying are in thecountry.
Yeah, if Americans who aretrying to work hard and been
here their whole life doing theright thing, or they came here

(27:36):
the right way and theyimmigrated here through the
proper channels and they'retrying their best to do their do
the right thing and contributeto society, right?
Those people are gonna have amuch better time in life not
having to compete with peoplewho really don't have any skin
in the game.
And I think that's the issue.
I mean, like, not to look, I'mnot grandstanding here.
It's like my family's been heresince 1630, right?

(27:58):
Yes, we were immigrants, but butyou know, there has to be a
point where it's like, holycrap, I mean, I've been my
family's been here since beforethat this country even existed.
Right.
So it's like over the years, myancestors seen a lot of things
come and go.
And it's like you look at thingsnow, yeah, as someone who's a, I
don't know, what is it, 12thgeneration American or whatever
it is at this point, you know,like I I'm so I'm I've kicked,

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I'm a can that's been kickeddown the road a long way, right?
And do I look at that and I andI view it with disgust that
someone can just walk over theborder into the land of milk and
honey and be handed a fullplatter and have all of these
services provided to them andyou know, receive really good
and and dare I say special uhpreferential treatment just by

(28:42):
virtue of existing in my countryand breaking the law and coming
here.
Of course I don't agree withthat.
I think it's terrible.
And it's also spits in the faceof people who are first
generation immigrants.
Like I know some people in mylife that that are first
generation immigrants.
In fact, one person just gottheir citizenship like I think
last December.
So absolutely a fresh Americanwho went through all the proper

(29:05):
process.
Okay.
Hey, I've got nothing butrespect for people who go
through the proper process.
We have a process for a reason,right?
There are many people on theright who think that, oh, we
should even have more strictprotocols for who we allow to
come here, even through theproper channels.
And you got people on the leftwho are saying, well, those
proper channels should beexpedited and we should allow

(29:26):
people to come here in a mucheasier fashion.
So, hey, some on the left aresaying, it's cool.
Like we understand that you youdon't want people coming across
the border just, you know,waltzing across the border.
Well, yeah, then make theprocess for them coming in
easier.
Then there's people on the rightwho are more like, well, we want
the the the we want theconsequences to be much more
difficult for them to be able tocome in.

SPEAKER_01 (29:47):
But you know, there they're any country, and I I
agree with you, like I if you ifyou ask anybody that went
through the proper protocols andprocesses to become a US citizen
or Or even a illegal alien, aresident, whatever it may be,
they will agree with you thatwhat the people are doing to

(30:08):
come here illegally are wrong.
They don't like illegalimmigration because they went
through it the correct way.
I think that's a good thing.
It costs a lot of money too.
A lot of money, but you alsohave to study.
You have to prove that youunderstand American history,
that you understand our culture,that you understand, like it
asks you questions about, youknow, holidays, because they're

(30:29):
trying to integrate you into theAmerican culture.
So it's like, hey, what isThanksgiving about?
Like these are these are teststhat, like, hey, if you're gonna
be an American and you want tobe an American citizen, you have
to understand like what we doand where we come from.
So I'm in I'm in agreement withthat.
But what a lot of people fail torealize is that America, the

(30:50):
land of milk and honey, we onlyhave so many resources at the
time.
Our um, you know, our society,our social services, meaning our
hospitals, our roadways, ourlike any type of social service
that we provide, there's alimit.

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That doesn't mean that you knowit's gone forever.
That just means we have toscale.
And, you know, uh obviouslyAmerica is the greatest country
in the world, and everybody, andpeople will say, oh no, it's not
bullit.
Everybody's still coming here.
Why?
Because we're the greatest, allright?
We have the best opportunities,we have the best culture, you
know, we infrastructureinfrastructure.

(31:31):
Like we're like, if there was alike for something above first
world, that would be us, allright.
I'm not bragging, but I am allright.
There's a reason everybody wantsto come to America.

SPEAKER_00 (31:42):
Maybe Dubai would be a close.
I mean, like if you're Dubai ispretty awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (31:46):
If you're uh Dubai citizen, because they because
they they are they areminorities in their own country
and they're okay with thatbecause they have a total uh
totarian government.
They dude, you think America isbad?
Please go over there and hold.
I'm speaking about it mainlyfrom the standpoint of it being
an extremely modern city, it issuper nice, but they can
control, they have a very, veryheavy hand on immigration,

(32:10):
migration, and who can come andwho can go because you have to.
Once your services become likebottlenecked, it slows it down
and it ruins it for everybody.

SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
So I think someone working at like a fast food
restaurant in Dubai makes like$75,000 a year or something
crazy like that, even justworking at fast food so in a
street sweeper, like at thecleanest streets ever.
You could like cook an egg onthe street and probably be okay
eating it.

SPEAKER_01 (32:35):
So I with that, just like America, our social
services become overwhelmed.
We have to throttle back andsay, hey, you are you can come
to the US, but it's gonna be ayear or two.

SPEAKER_00 (32:48):
Let our bums in the freaking in the in the gutter,
you're not gonna see peoplepissing and shit in the street.
You're not gonna see that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (32:55):
It's like, hey, everybody likes the let's just
say like Coca-Cola, and you loveCoca-Cola, and you're filling up
a cup of a glass of Coca-Colaand the glass is full.
You don't keep pouring, youstop.
You stop pouring the drink, youdrink it, and then you refill
it.
Just like all immigration, wewant.
I I personally love to have youknow people from other countries

(33:17):
come in.
They provide a great uh culturaldifference.
We learn a lot from each other.
That doesn't mean they should becoming in 24-7.
Our services get overwhelmed.

SPEAKER_00 (33:28):
Well, let's say we pour a pour a coke and it's like
the most amazing thing ever.
And like you said, that cup isfull.
You don't start adding more, andwhen that cup begins to get more
empty, you just add more coke.
What we're doing is when thecoke is halfway full, we're
adding a half a glass of waterand we're diluting it.
We're diluting the quality ofthe product.

SPEAKER_01 (33:46):
That's a very good, that's a very good uh, I guess,
analogy?

SPEAKER_00 (33:51):
Analogy, yes.
I mean, look, I understand whypeople would want to come to
America.
I get that.
And I didn't really want thisshow to be primarily about
immigration day, but it isimportant because immigration is
a hot button topic that isconnected to all of this
overreach because, you know, theice detentions, okay.
Again, getting back to this leftversus right paradigm, which

(34:12):
sometimes I think is almost alittle unfair to approach,
right?
It's simply not about left andright anymore, Democrat and
Republican anymore.
It's it's really just about whatis morally and logically and
legally right and what isn't.
And yes, there is a lot ofgovernment overreach and there's
a lot of crazy things that aregoing on that I don't agree
with.
I mean, but sometimes some of itis a little necessary, and that

(34:36):
that's what's so jacked up aboutit.
Because it's like, I'm sure thetruckers are really happy right
now that their wages are higherbecause we've been deporting so
many um, you know, people thatdon't have any business, you
know, taking American jobs.

SPEAKER_01 (34:48):
Well, people are dying too.
Truckers are like running intopeople, families killing them.

SPEAKER_00 (34:52):
That whole fiasco in in California where they were
giving people truck drivinglicense without even kind of any
special requirements, which isas crazy of a state as
California is, and all thethings they require, all the
permits, like if you want tobuild onto your house or do
anything to your house inCalifornia, it is a huge pain in
the butt.
You have to go through all thiscrap, especially if you live out

(35:16):
in the desert anywhere and youwant to, let's say, have a water
cistern on your property, or youwant to add sewage, or you want
to do anything like that,septic, electrical, plumbing,
any of that.
Oh my God, the permits are outof the out of control.
Like, yeah, you can buy a littledesert shack in the middle of
nowhere for next to nothing andfix it up.
But the problem is you're gonnapay, you're gonna pay the man a

(35:37):
ton of money just for thepermission to do that.
So a state like California, ofall places, as militant as they
are, with paperwork and fees andthings, you know there has to be
some political undertone for whythey are allowing those things
to happen on their watch,because they know dang well that
they they want chaos.
They want to create the chaos sothey can come in and provide the

(35:59):
solution.

SPEAKER_01 (36:00):
There has to be some some sort of lobby going on with
truckers to for them to allowthat to happen.
Like, hey, these illegalimmigrants are willing to drive
these trucks for half the priceof American drivers, and our
company's really going tobenefit from it, and they're
kind of padding the the bank oftheir local, you know,
congressman or senator or whathouse rep or whatever it may be.

(36:23):
There has to be, because CDLsare very, very regulated.
People think you can just go geta CDL.
You cannot.
Like you have to go and you haveto test for it, you have to do
drug tests, you have to dophysicals.
I don't even know how they gotpast that part about how they
got the actual driver of thecity.
And you gotta be able to speakEnglish, I'm sure.
You have to be able to readEnglish signs.

(36:43):
Yeah.
So it's like, what happenedhere?
How did this happen?

SPEAKER_00 (36:47):
Now we're we're using the scope of, or we're
using a very narrow scope oflooking at it just from the
standpoint of the truck drivers,but it trickles down through
society, y'all.
Everything from food serviceindustry to anything else that
you can possibly think of, everyarea of life that an illegal
immigrant can take a job uh froman American, you're seeing

(37:07):
improvements in the quality oflife of average Americans.
And if you look at all of thisinflation, um inflation is
absolutely out of control.
And sure, you know, Trump isadding some of these tariffs,
but that that is essentiallystill going to cause some
inflation.
Because I mean, yeah, all thischeap Chinese crap that we're
buying.
I mean, I don't want to say crapbecause China actually makes
some pretty good stuff.

(37:28):
I mean, look at some of thetop-end consumer electronics
that you use on a regular basis.
I mean, even this iPhone is madein China.
So China can make good things ifyou pay them to make good
things.
And that's the commonmisconception about Chinese
goods, is that they're bad.
It's not, I just say junk as inlike, well, yeah, there's a lot
of low-end consumer goods thatdon't cost a lot of money, like
tupware dishes or, you know,little small goods and things

(37:51):
like that that you can buycheaper.
All the stuff coming in fromChina is getting slapped with
these tariffs, which willincrease the cost of those
Chinese goods in the store foryou, the consumer.
So, yeah, uh Tupware, let's usea tupware dish, for example.
I don't know, say a little fooddish or something that uh at the
store.
It might have cost uh$5 before,might cost$9 now or$10 now.

(38:12):
So you are going to see sometrickle-down effect of tariffs.
Now, do tariffs, you know, makethe overall fiscal situation of
our country better?
Well, well, maybe for them.
But again, getting back to theaverage American who's just
trying to put food on the table,and many of them are living
paycheck to paycheck.
In fact, day to day andsometimes week to week, they're
doing everything they can tomaintain the struggle.

(38:35):
You know, does that really helpthe average American at the end
of the day, the end user?
Um, okay, it's good that gettingrid of these illegals is
increasing salaries and maybegetting more Americans employed,
which is great.
It's bringing us more out of thehole, but it still doesn't uh uh
solve the fractionary bankingpractices and all of this

(38:55):
inflation and all of this sortof hidden grift that is this
underlying sort of veneer toeverything that's going on.
And what they desperately wantyou to ignore, they want you to
not pay attention to all theprinting and all, you know,
they're giving money away to allthese people and they're sending
all of our money overseas.
When you send money overseas,you're also sending you're

(39:16):
sending your wealth overseas.
You're giving your wealth tosomeone else.
But it's what's what's worse,it's even worse the way they do
it because they go, well, we'rejust gonna improve this one and
a half trillion dollar budgetlike Congress is trying to push
through right now.
The Democrats are trying to pushthrough a$1.5 trillion spending
package.
And of course, that spendingpackage goes in a whole bunch of
different places, right?

(39:36):
All their little buddies gettheir pockets padded, you know.
But the problem is that moneydoesn't exist.
It's just created out ofnothing.
They just print it out ofnothing with nothing to back it
up other than the word of theUnited States government, right?
It's a promissory no.
So the issue is okay, say youhave$500 in your pocket and they
print$1.5 trillion.

(39:57):
How do you, as an individual outand large in society, how do you
keep up with that level ofwaste?
Now your dollar loses 10% of itsvalue every year.
I mean, we're we're talkingalmost every year we're losing
over 10% of the value of ourdollar.
At what point is$100 gonnabecome the new$1 bill?
At what point during the winterare people gonna be burning

(40:19):
currency to stay warm?
It's like, and in some cases, insome third world countries, they
have to have so much currency tosimply buy a loaf of bread.
It's like Venezuela.
Yeah.
So it's like you might as welluse the freaking money for fire
tender.

SPEAKER_01 (40:33):
It's like that's literally not even worth
anything.

SPEAKER_00 (40:37):
So the danger of us as a society that we have is far
more uh engrossing and far moreimplicating than simply some
feds deploying and black bootingsome people.
And don't get me wrong, I hatethat, but there is a moral,
philosophical, and economicalboot that is also on our neck

(40:57):
that must be addressed, and thatboot affects everybody.
It's a phantom boot, it's not aliteral boot, it is a it is a
moral boot that is always there,and I think that's a huge worry
that we need to take intoconsideration as well, Matt.

SPEAKER_01 (41:10):
Yeah, and that's they're spending us to oblivion.
It's true because if you look atit, the government currently is
shut down as of right now.
No government spending the TSAagents at the airports are
working for free.
Federal, uh, federal, mostfederal employees, not all,
because we're gonna get to thatin one second.

(41:31):
Yep.
Well, he Trump put through likethe special provision to pay the
soldiers.
Otherwise, otherwise, theywouldn't have got paid and he
would have been in a world ofhurt.
A world of hurt.
So he did that to save his ownass.
What well he did.
Most um, most federal employeesaren't getting paid, except for
guess who?
Ding ding.

(41:52):
Congress.
So Congress is getting paid.
Um, of course, they're stillcollecting the check.
I don't agree with that.
I would say 99.999% of peopledon't agree with that.
And that 0.0001% that does arethe family members of the
Congress people.

SPEAKER_00 (42:10):
So nobody agrees with I mean, all those juicy
stock trades aren't enough tokeep them going.
Come on.
No.
Like you know dang well, likethere are very few congressmen
and congresswomen that areactually behind on that.
Now, there are, I I looked upthe other day because I was
curious to know where ThomasMassey was on this sort of
chain.

SPEAKER_01 (42:28):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (42:29):
And okay, Thomas has his his crap together,
obviously.
Um, but there are some Congressuh men and women who who are
behind, like, you know, ohmillions of dollars and back
taxes.
So okay, that aside, right?
Most congressmen are doingpretty dang good.
In fact, better than good.
Um you know, look at DanCrimshaw's uh stock trades and

(42:53):
his first year as a juniorcongressman, he cleared a ton of
money.
How much of it was of that waskickbacks and things?
I'm not trying to call Dan out,but it's just that's an example
of a junior congressman, firstyear in Congress, and you're a
millionaire already.
Just, I mean, wow, you you mustreally have some great stock
trades.
Yeah.

(43:13):
I mean, of course that he knowswhich stocks to buy because he's
being told what stocks to buy,because it's all a grift.
It's all you're in the you're inthe club or you're not.
And when you're in the club, youyou you get access to all the
inside information, you knowwhat legislation is going
through.
You know, they may not exactlytell you what stocks to buy, but
unless you're you're dumb orblind, you're gonna know, oh

(43:34):
wow, this is about to happen.
And I know four days in advance,therefore, boom, we're gonna
short this stock now.
So boom, it takes off.
And now we just cleared, youknow, we made millions of
dollars in no matter of days.

SPEAKER_01 (43:44):
Well, so with Dan Crenshaw in particular, you know
he bent the knee at some pointin time because when he first
came on the scene, he waseverywhere.
He was fighting, he was veryvocal.
He was his social mediapresence, even when he was in
Congress, his social mediapresence was very strong.

(44:05):
He had a lot, a lot of support,a ton of support.

SPEAKER_00 (44:09):
Early on, Dan Crenshaw and I were on good
terms.
Like, I thought he was a greatguy, you know, thinking, like,
okay, this is the kind of guy weneed in Congress, like veteran,
you know, wounded, you know,loves his country, pro-gun.
Like, wow, you know, Dan, Dan'sokay guy.
And then it's like after awhile, he kind of shed those
those sheep's clothes.
Well, the money got good to him.

SPEAKER_01 (44:28):
My money got good to him.
And, you know, I don't care ifhe what he thinks when he hears
the episode or his friends aregonna send him the link.
I mean, he bent the knee at somepoint in time.
Um and it was probably aroundthe time the original HPA was
going into effect, yeah, and hekind of let his let his true
colors be known.
Um, but with that said, it'sdisappointing.

(44:48):
It was very disappointing.

SPEAKER_00 (44:50):
Um higher uh expectations for him.

SPEAKER_01 (44:53):
I think a lot of people did.

SPEAKER_00 (44:54):
And that that's what hurts so much.
It's because of his past, it'sbecause who he is, it's because
you know the caliber of personthat it takes to do what he did.
And that that's what hurts hurtsme so much is that you expect
better.
I can expect some crappy pieceof piece of crap politician who
you see them and you go, Ohyeah, we know exactly what we're
getting with this person.

(45:14):
But when it's someone like thatand you think, okay, I have much
higher expectations, look, thetruth is when you're a veteran,
when you're former military, youknow, you have much higher
expectations.
Society is going to be harder onyou because they expect more
from you.

(45:35):
And and look, if you're gonnause your military experience as
a calling card, a Navy CEO,you're gonna use that that
experience, then the morals andthe principles and the love of
your country have to come alongwith that.
If you abandon those principlesat any time, it becomes kind of
null and void.
And that's what's so sad aboutit.
Like he worked so hard in hiscareer to get where he where he

(45:58):
did, and then just kind of Ifeel like he turned his back on
his ideals.

SPEAKER_01 (46:02):
Well, like I said, man, it got the money got good
to him.
He just wants to lay low.
He he's enjoying the ride, he'syou know, um, which I brings up
a good point.
I have something here that Iwanted to bring up.

SPEAKER_00 (46:16):
Sure.

SPEAKER_01 (46:17):
Um, so as far as like laying low and not being
very outspoken in Congress, um,let's just say Dan Crenshaw's in
the mix.
He's still a relatively youngguy, right?
So the expect his aspirationsare probably to be uh a Chuck
Schumer that's been in Congressfor 44 years, uh a Mitch

(46:40):
McConnell for 40 years, a NancyPelosi, 38 years, Maxine Waters,
37 years, Bernie Sanders, 34years, career politicians,
career politicians.
They've been collecting thecheck, yeah, they've been
running the stock game.

SPEAKER_00 (46:54):
They have more money than they will ever be able to
spend in their kids, kids, kids,kids' lifetime.

SPEAKER_01 (47:00):
Chuck Grassling, 50 years.

SPEAKER_00 (47:04):
Bro, it's wild to think that people have been
involved in government longerthan we've been alive, yeah.
And that's wild.
And when you look at someonewho's in their late 70s, 80s,
heck, even their late 60s,really, they're almost too old
to even suffer the consequencesof their decisions.
And I think that is a huge issuethat we have to confront as a
country.

(47:25):
Now, Thomas Massey's been in thenews lately, of course.
You know, Trump has been gunninghard for Massey.
And Massey is a politician thatI support quite a bit, and
that's rare for me.
I rarely give my support to apolitician.
And I've seen every random, youknow, mud they're trying to
sling at Massey.
And I tell you, um, I've metMassey, you know, I've broke

(47:45):
bread with Massey, I've drankwith Massey.
Massey is a great guy, and heisn't, he is not your average
politician.

SPEAKER_01 (47:50):
He seems like a bourbon guy.

SPEAKER_00 (47:52):
He yes, he is totally a great guy.
And um, I think that he gets abad rap unfairly.
You know, Massey and I do notagree on term limits, okay?
I think we should have termlimits.
Massey's view on term limits isthat you know what you're
getting a lot more when someonebegins to have an established
voting record.
Now that I agree with, okay.

(48:12):
But to Thomas Massey's effect,that is also assuming that we
have a recorded vote online-by-line item for every
single issue at hand.
Instead of passing one giantpork-ridden package, we should
pass individual bills that allowthe voting record of a
congressman or a senator to befully vetted, right?

(48:33):
You know exactly what theysupported and exactly what they
didn't.
But they don't do that.
They do it dirty.
They do the dirty pork way andthey throw a bunch of crap in a
bill so that a politician canjust say, well, it wasn't the
best written bill.
There's some things I didn'treally support, but in the name
of, you know, politicalpartisanship, oh, well, we, you
know, in order for us to crossthe aisle, we have to sign off

(48:56):
on this.

SPEAKER_01 (48:57):
That would require them to work, Eric.

SPEAKER_00 (48:58):
That would require them to work.
So in Massey's defense, okay, Iunderstand when he says he
doesn't support term limits, youknow, I understand that that is
also assuming that the votingrecords of these people is
crystal clear and that we knowevery single little issue that
they're on record for supportingor that they don't.
So, yes, I can disagree withThomas Massey and agree with him

(49:20):
at the same time based on hismorals and his values and the
reason that he comes to thatconclusion.
But how many politiciansactually articulate their point
to in such a way that allow youto fully understand the reason
that they make the decision?
Yeah, it's always very fewpeople do it, but Massey does.
He'll tell you, hey, here's whyI didn't vote for this bill.
Because it's not fiscallyresponsible, because it's not

(49:43):
constitutional, it's not abouthis wants and needs as a person.
He has to be above that.
And so many of thesepoliticians, Matt, they don't
want to think about somethingthat's above them.
They want to feel likeeverything is below them, that
they're on an ivory tower andthey're trying and everyone's
trying to push them off.
But Massey simply doesn'toperate like that.
So, you know, I think that'srare for a politician to admit

(50:05):
uh wrongdoing, you know, ifthey've made a mistake or to
change course, or to, you know,give an opinion that is well
articulated, that it's not justsome talking point that he took
from the party, it's hispersonal view on hey, morally,
constitutionally, and fiscally,here is why I do or do not
support measure whatever it is.

(50:27):
And they don't like him for thatbecause they don't like him
because he won't toe the partyline.

SPEAKER_01 (50:31):
Well, that's that's because he wasn't a politician.
He was an engineer.
He just happened to run and andwin when he did.
And that's what kind of that'swhat kind of separates him from
the pack is that he he came intoit, he had to learn how the pol
political game worked.
He wasn't an institutional, likecoming up, uh institution, uh, I

(50:53):
guess, institutional politicianfrom the beginning.
Where they used they usuallycome in and they'll they're
like, oh, I'm a state parkdirector.
And then the next one you run upand you're the you're the
commissioner for insurance foryour state, and then you run for
vice governor or lieutenantgovernor, and then you run for,
you know, house senate, and thenyou run for like government.

SPEAKER_00 (51:16):
I think his like people pressured him to run.
They're like, Oh, you need torun for Congress.
You know, nah, nah.
And then like they kind offorced him, and he found that.
Wow, like he's actually got aknack for that.

SPEAKER_01 (51:25):
Yeah, and so like I love him.
But your typical government likepolitician, that's how they come
up.
They come up, they start veryearly right out of college, and
they're like, you know, campaignmanagers, and then they start
just kind of get their feet wet,um, which is what makes him
unique.
I would think, I think a massy,uh, a massy Paul ticket would be
very interesting to see.

(51:46):
That'd be a that would be a blobright there.
Um, but as as far as overreachgoes, I just wanted to touch on
a couple of things.
I know that um in Chicago of allplaces, there's there is a case
of what I believe is a veryegregious case of overreach.
And it was a uh LewisMcWilliams, a black business

(52:11):
owner, has uh a legal uhconcealed carry license and a
firearms license because inChicago, apparently you need
two.
You need one to own a firearmand you need one to carry a
firearm, which he had both of.
He legally had both of them.

(52:31):
Legal firearms owner in Chicagoof all places, probably one of
the dangerous places on the faceof the freaking planet, and the
most difficult place to own anygun legally.
And he he had it.
Police pulled him over, hedeclared his firearm.
I saw the body cam footagemyself, declared the firearm to
the police.
Police were, you know, in totheir respects, they were cool

(52:53):
about it.
They said, Hey, where's it at?
It's on my hip.
He gave him he gave them bothlicenses.
Apparently, his concealed carrylicense or his firearms license
uh wasn't registered in thesystem, and all of a sudden
that's his fault.
So now he gets arrested.
He's got a couple of felonycharges put on him, put him in,

(53:14):
they took him to jail.
And um, when he reached out, thestate solicitor went ahead with
the charges for some reason.
And then the another solicitorwas like, Hey, it clearly states
in the law that if he has thephysical card, which he did, and
the computer system says hedoesn't, no action is to be

(53:36):
taken.
And they arrested him and puthim in jail and charged him with
a felony anyways.
And I'm like, that's not yourjob.
Your job as a police officer isto police he was a law-abiding
citizen, had both licenses.
There's no reason that this manshould be having to pay tens of
thousands of dollars to get thisfelony expunged from his record.

(53:59):
So that's overreach, like if Iever.

SPEAKER_00 (54:03):
Look, if you're watching this uh podcast or you
watch my channel, my videos, youknow, and you're a police
officer.
The only thing I would say, Imean, look, I I know it's not an
easy job, and I know there's alot of quick decision making,
and sometimes it can be rough.
I I get that.
I understand that.
But you gotta use your damncommon sense, guys.
Come on.
Like, you know, the guy has thefreaking permit, you know, he's

(54:24):
trying to do the right thing,he's telling you he's got a gun.
You know dang well that acriminal is not gonna sit there
and tell you he's got a gun.
That's right.
He's gonna hide it, he's gonnause it, he's gonna run from you.
You got a person who's beingcompliant with you, they're
trying to be cordial, they'retrying to treat you like a human
being, and then you do some shitlike that.
How do you expect people toactually want to go out of their

(54:44):
way to even obey the law if youdo those kind of things to them?

SPEAKER_01 (54:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:49):
And it's like after a while, people can start
thinking, well, well, dang, dothe police, you know, are they
are they insane?

SPEAKER_01 (54:54):
Knowing that if you were, if you didn't have any of
those licenses and they arrestedyou, you'd be out in 10 minutes
with cashless bail.
Like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (55:02):
You can treat people like that.
Okay, and and I think that, youknow, there is a two-way street
to all of this.
I mean, like someone's justdoing a job, I get that.
You know, when whenever I have aconversation with law
enforcement, um, you know, if Iget pulled over or something
like that, I'm always cool.
You know, I don't talk about thetraffic stop.
I talk about, hey, how's life?

(55:22):
How's things going?
You know, I I just I just try tomake them feel secure.
I don't want them to ever feellike I'm being a jerk or
anything like that.
Whatever they're gonna do, likeif they're gonna write me a
ticket, then then write theticket.
I I'm not concerned aboutticket, I'll pay the stupid
ticket.
I don't care about that.
But it's like in my in my mind,like, you know, I've gotten
pulled over before.
If it's a Sunday, I'll be like,oh, you drew the short straw to

(55:44):
work on Sunday.
And they kind of chuckle.
It's like, you know how it is.
You know how it is beinginvolved in bureaucracy.
Someone gets extra duty orsomeone has to work on a day
that they know they shouldn'thave to work on, like, well,
your leave for Sunday iscanceled because we need someone
to guard this stupid ammo pileover here or something.
You know, like someone getstagged for that, that deal that
uh detail.
And and yeah, no one wants to doit.

(56:05):
Some people volunteer for it,but usually it's like, all
right, draw straws, bridges, andand it's like, oh damn, I gotta
guard this stupid ammo pile allday.
I mean, so that kind of stuffhappens.

SPEAKER_01 (56:15):
But but there are there are advantages to that,
and that's like um get any dayoff you want.
Yeah, so uh great uh an exampleis when we were in Iraq, uh, I
was younger, I didn't have anylike family, I wasn't married, I
didn't have a wife, I didn'thave a girlfriend at the time.
I was a young dude, I was justout living life.

(56:36):
Um didn't you go to Qatar?
I did.
I got to go to Qatar, Doha, andDubai, but that was because I
volunteered like four times topush my leave back.
Because at least when we were inevery rotation, every soldier
gets two weeks back home.
Like you would get to go and flyback home for 15 days and then

(56:57):
come back.
But I didn't have any family,and the all we had a lot of
people in the platoon that hadlike kids and wives and stuff,
so I just kept pushing it back.
They were asking, Hey, doesanybody want to?
You know, every time my I wouldcome up, I was like, Oh, give it
to some somebody else, give itto somebody else.
And then finally we ran out ofpeople to give it to.
So I had to take it, but inbetween those times, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:18):
Here's a little three-day passion.
Yeah, he gave me like uh Youkept leaving on those three-day
passes, like dang man, what thehell I gotta do to go to
freaking cutters.

SPEAKER_01 (57:26):
I would keep I would keep getting to go out to these
like little, you know, littlethree-day passes because I keep
I'm giving up my two-week leave.
And you know, so to your effect,like there are some advantages
to doing that.
Um there are, but also there'ssome disadvantages because also
in the military you learn thatif you're too good at your job,

(57:46):
you get chosen to do it everysingle time.
They no longer ask for volume.

SPEAKER_00 (57:51):
If you volunteer for too much stuff, then you're kind
of known as a guy who's willingto volunteer.
Therefore, they'll peg you forsomething knowing that they may
not get a lot of pushback.
You'll just be like, Yeah, I cando that.
I don't have nothing else goingon.
The path of least resistance isfine.
I don't need to rest on Sunday,I don't need to go to church.
We're good.

SPEAKER_01 (58:05):
Yeah, I'll if you're too good at cleaning the
latrine.

SPEAKER_00 (58:08):
I think that you know, our country is at a very
important impasse as a society.
And I think that, you know, morepeople are scrutinizing
government overreach than everbefore.
And I think that, you know,there were times in the past
where maybe certain subset ofsociety was paying close
attention to what was going on,and I think that that genie is

(58:30):
out of the bottle big time.
And I don't think they're evergonna put that genie back.
I I think that right now we'rein a position where it's do or
die, and I do believe that thereare a lot of people in our
government who are trying to dothe right thing, and they've
they are doing what they view tobe the right thing and the moral
thing, you know, um, includingour president.
Like, you know, I think that hegot under or behind the curtain

(58:53):
and saw a lot more going on thanum than maybe he bargained for
the first time around.
And then, of course, you know,you exacerbate those uh
consequences by trying to killthe man and everything in
between and all this politicalviolence.
And then, of course, you know,Charlie Kirk getting shot.
That changes everything becauseit shows that not only was the
assassination attempt of DonaldTrump, you know, not a fluke

(59:16):
moment, but that this politicaland moral battle that we're
fighting has real consequences,as Charlie Kirk and his family
and the whole nation saw, uh,that completely changed the
landscape of people's opinionson how they view these threats
from especially the left, wherethey realize that these aren't
just some disappointed teenagerstalking about, you know, some

(59:38):
crap in jest and not beingwilling or able to carry it out.
We're talking people who are notonly willing to carry it out,
but have carried it out.
And you have to approach that asa literal threat.
You have to sort of increaseyour threat level in life to
include uh people who you mighthave normally just written off
as crazy, but now these peopleare not just crazy.
They're hiding in the bushes andpotentially going to shoot you

(59:59):
if.
They don't like you.
And you know, you have toapproach that in a very measured
and careful manner.
And, you know, do I want theNational Guard in our streets?
No, I don't.
Do I want a safe society?
Yes, I do.
Now, where I live, luckily,things are cool.
Like where we're at, nobodyreally gets, you know, gets on
each other's nerves or botherseach other.

(01:00:20):
I mean, there's a little drugsbeing thrown around in the area
that I live in.
There's a little bit of domesticstuff, spats and things like
that.
There's a murder here and there.
I mean, just like any society isgoing to have people murdering
each other.
But generally it's safe to walkdown the street.
It's it's safe to exist insociety.
You know, everybody's cool, youknow, to everybody.

(01:00:40):
And it's generally not too bigof a deal.
Now, I'm lucky that I live inkind of a more rural area of
Georgia, it's kind of off thebeaten track a bit.
So it's not quite so bad here.
Now, I could see where someone'sresults and and and what they
see, it may vary depending onwhere they live at the in terms
of how crazy some of this stuffis on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:59):
Yes, and you know, I agree.
I think that you know there hasto be some level of um you know
government interaction.
I can't agree with the way thatit's being done.
Uh it definitely has an air ofof overreach and Toltarian

(01:01:20):
effect.
Um and you know, we can't allowit.
As much as as much as you know,someone would agree with it,
like, oh, they're they're justthey're just getting out the
illegals.
But and I I agree they are is itgonna stop there?
Exactly.
You cannot let allow thegovernment to put their foot in
the door, just like withanything else.

(01:01:40):
If we if we compromise onanything, whether it's the
second amendment, the firstamendment, if you allow them,
them being the government at anypoint to put the foot in the
door, you've lost.
You lost because it will notstop at the foot.
The foot will turn into the leg,the leg turns into the upper
body, next thing you know, doorswide open.

(01:02:03):
So, guys, even with this, withthe whole like um, you know,
detentions and black bagging andscooping people up illegally,
even if you don't agree with theillegal immigration or you do,
you have to not agree with theway that it's being done.
Because who's to say that itstops at illegal immigration?

(01:02:23):
Who's to say it doesn't turninto a red flag and say, oh,
that guy's got a gun?
And next thing you know, the theold guy that has a revolver is
getting blackbagged and taken toa black site.
And uh people say, Oh, you'rejumping to conclusions, but I'm
telling you, that's how itstarts.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:38):
What happens when the left is in power again and
now they result to these sametactics for a completely more
asinine and crazy reason?
Yep.
That's what gets me is likeimagine if the left was engaging
in these types of tactics.
And imagine if their reasoningwas, well, you're a veteran who

(01:02:58):
owns who owns guns, and youknow, we're worried about right
wing extremism.
Like, you know, even the FBI putout documents about all of this,
calling us, you know, potentialthreats and things like that.
It's like, what?
I mean, to think that thatpendulum can just swing in the
other direction just that quickin just a few short years, and
now the same people who wererounding up these illegals, now

(01:03:20):
they're going around trying toround up gun owners or they're
trying to round up Christians orwhatever they decide.
I mean, uh, at that point, doyou really want them to have the
ability to do that?
I mean, I guess that's whatpeople ultimately have to ask
the question.
If you see the governmentcarrying out force, and let's
say that that force benefitsyou, you're like, oh yay,

(01:03:41):
they're getting illegals, okay,all good and fine, but bear in
mind that that same force willeventually be used against you.
Okay, so just because right nowthe people you like are in
charge doesn't mean it's alwaysgoing to stay that way forever.
So I think the only way tocompletely solve the issue is to
remove the ability of thegovernment to, you know, engage

(01:04:02):
in such overreach.
Um so it's a sensitive subject,and I know people have a lot of
different views on it.
Uh, I know my views are similarto yours.
I don't agree with it, but atthe same time, you know, what
are we what are we gonna doabout the illegal situation?
I mean, like, if you don'tdirectly combat the threat and
your society, again, your yourbeautiful uh half a coke just

(01:04:26):
starts getting nasty waterdropped into it, it's like,
well, this isn't a coke anymore.
At what point is the entire, youknow, sacred pact of your
society even realized if if youjust allow people to just come
in completely unvetted?
Like, is that not an invasion?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:46):
I mean, that's an invasion.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:48):
It is, and what I'd like to remind everybody, and I
know it gets beaten to death,especially on you know social
media and long-form con um longform con form content, is the
the poem from the the Germanpastor Niemoller.
And I'm sure you've heard it.
It's uh first they came for thecommunists and I did not speak

(01:05:10):
out because I was not acommunist.
Then they came for thesocialists, and I did not speak
out because I was not asocialist.
Then they came for theunionists, and I did not speak
out because I was not a tradeunionist.
Then they came for the Jews, andI did not speak out because I
was not a Jew.
Then they came for me, and therewas no one left to speak out for

(01:05:32):
me.
So if you just think about thecontext of that poem and what it
means, it can play out even tothis day.
So it doesn't matter if you'reon the left or the right, or
you're a libertarian or ananarchist or whatever it may be,
you have to look at it and sayit you can't stand for

(01:05:53):
government overreach um in anyform because if it's used for
you, it can be used against you.
It just depends on which side ofthe glass you're looking for.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:04):
Absolutely.
It is absolutely true.
Um, I appreciate everybodywatching today's show.
Uh, remember that we post every,well, we've been posting on
Sundays uh lately, and thatseems to work out well.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:14):
It's been great.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:15):
A lot of folks like the Sunday release.
So we're probably gonna stickwith the Sunday release uh
moving forward, y'all.
Uh so Sundays around uh 9 a.m.
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Anywhere you can find podcasts,we're there.

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(01:06:58):
And uh I think, you know,honestly, Matt, I think you said
everything.
I don't really have anything toadd.
Um, I know this is a sensitivetopic.
I'd like to know what some ofyou think.
What do you think about thisgovernment overreach?
Is it overreach, or is it justthe government doing the job
that you put them there to do?
And if so, if you believe that,are you okay with the same uh

(01:07:19):
force being used against you oneday?
It will happen.
You know, pit for pat, eye foran eye, tooth for a tooth.
I mean, are you game for whatmay come in the future uh from
an unfriendly administration?
I'd like to know what you think.
Uh, many more podcasts on theway.
Thank you all so much.
I hope you all have a greatweek, and we'll see you soon.

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