LLP #141: Guns For Life And Liberty

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Want a clear, no-drama roadmap to choosing guns that actually solve real problems? We walk through the tools we trust for life and liberty—what they do well, where they fall short, and how to set them up for the 0–200 yard world most of us live in. The goal isn’t to flex gear; it’s to match purpose to platform so you can protect home, family, and yourself with confidence.

We start with shotguns because modern loads changed everything. Federal flight-control buckshot keeps patterns tight to 50 yards, making a 12 gauge more than a hallway tool. Semi-autos like the Beretta 1301 deliver blazing follow-up shots without beating you up, while pumps still win for ammo tolerance and cost. We talk realistic suppressor options, ghost loading, and the training you need to keep a tube-fed gun topped off under stress.

Then we bridge to large-format pistols like the Flux Raider and B&T USW-G. Stabilization and red dots turn a duty pistol into a fast, accurate platform out to a football field while sharing mags with your carry gun. It’s a smart two-gun strategy: pistol on the hip, braced pistol or PCC in the bag, and the flexibility to hand off one while keeping the other. We also highlight a 9mm AR setup using Stern Defense components for machine-gun reliability and magazine commonality.

For rifles, we dig into the Mark 18 style short AR and why it’s so effective for home defense and vehicle work. Overgassed on purpose, it runs in the conditions that matter. Add a red dot with a flip-to-side magnifier for positive ID and stretch when you must. Short barrels demand SBR-specific bonded soft points that expand at lower velocity, turning a compact carbine into a legitimate stopper inside 50 yards while remaining capable farther out with practice.

We round it out with carry choices—Glock 19, 19X, P365—and where revolvers fit as pocket backups. Along the way, we reality-check brush deflection, payload, and the ethical boundaries of long-range defensive shots. The through-line is training: pattern your shotgun, confirm zero at real distances, and stress-test your loading and deployment.

If this helped you think clearer about your setup, follow the show, watch the video version on YouTube at IRACVeteran8888 to see the platforms in action, and leave a review so more folks can find us. Got a two-gun combo you swear by? Share it—we want to hear what you trust and why.

Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome back, everybody.
This is Eric and Matt, and thisis Life, Liberty, and the
Pursuit.
Your beacon of freedom and theAmerican way of life.
Tune in every Monday for a newepisode as we dive into the
world of liberty and what makesour country great.
Alright, everybody.
This is Eric and Matt here withLLP, and welcome back to this
week's show.
And I hope everyone is having afantastic week.

(00:22):
And thanks so much for tuningin.
And today's episode, we're goingto be talking about life and
liberty guns.
So that's right.
Today's entire show is based oncool guns that we like and that
we deem to be good for a varietyof different purposes.
Home defense, um, you know,defense of life and liberty,
defense of property, uh, roadguns, concealed carry, you name

(00:46):
it.
We're gonna talk about a lot ofdifferent stuff that we happen
to like.

SPEAKER_01 (00:49):
Absolutely, and there's a lot to talk about
because there's a lot ofdifferent applications, um, and
a lot of different guns that youguys I know that it's gonna
resonate with a lot of theviewers because they are kind of
all over the place with guns.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01):
Yeah, and you know, uh look, my my channel
originally, you know, with IRACVeteran 8888, it always has
first and foremost been a gunchannel, and we've always liked
to talk about different firearmsand stuff.
And um, I've never really madeany uh content like this,
especially with Matt.
So I think it'd be cool just todiscuss some of the tools of the
trade and things, uh, to discusssome methodology, like reasons

(01:22):
that you would choose certaintools over another.
And uh look, if you're new toguns, especially, this will be a
really great episode for you totune into to learn a lot about
the different types of guns thatare out there and what some of
the applications might be.
And even if you are uh anadvanced person, maybe you might
you know learn some things fromus that maybe you didn't think
about before.
So it's always good to hearopinions from others when it

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Long form show, lots to talkabout, and uh we'll kind of get
into it.
And uh, I know Matt, each weekwhen we record shows, we
typically will have one thatkind of involves like society,
maybe some of the more politicalstuff, like last week's show.

(03:33):
And then other times we'll talkmore about like prepping and
guns and and survival and thingslike that.
So today's show is definitelykind of more uh the stuff I like
talking about.

SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
Yeah, tools of the trade.
Me as well, me as well.

SPEAKER_00 (03:45):
Yeah.
So it's like when people look atdifferent guns, you know, it can
be a daunting thing when you'relooking at all the different
types of stuff that's out thereand you see, I don't know, what
we call large format pistols orum handguns, shotguns of various
types, rifles of various types.
What are they all used for?
What's our methodology behindchoosing them?

(04:06):
And uh, you know, we don't wantto sound like we're we're going
completely, you know, hold yourhand style and treating everyone
like a newbie.
Um, but we'll kind of break downwhat these things mean for us
and and without really going inany particular order.
Let's just talk about some coolstuff.

SPEAKER_02 (04:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
Um, one of the shotguns that I grabbed earlier.
I like shotguns.
Uh, we'll start with shotguns,just for fun.
There's no particular order.
Yeah.
We're gonna go througheverything in the show.

SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
Um the king of payload.

SPEAKER_00 (04:32):
Yes, the king of payload, payload is king.
And um, I like Sama Autos themost.

SPEAKER_01 (04:38):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
Uh, because you have fast follow-up shots, and uh,
that's definitely a beneficialthing.
We we've seen situations whereum soldiers in Ukraine have
successfully defended themselvesum against drones using
shotguns, so they havedefinitely taken on a much
different role in today's worldthan maybe what they used to.
Um, not so much just a sportingtype of thing uh anymore, as

(05:01):
much as uh, you know, now youhave tactical shotguns.
Uh, this is a Beretta 1301 SemAuto.
This is a fantastic gun.
This thing is so lightning fast,it outruns a Benelli M4.
And that's wild because aBenelli M4 is a fantastic gun.
And uh, I tell you, this is aridiculously fast shotgun with a
very fast operating system.

(05:22):
I can't double it, I cannotoutrun it.
And that's crazy.
I can get almost any shotgun tohammer follow.
This one I cannot.
It cycles so ridiculously fast,it's just a joy to shoot.
And it really doesn't kick thathard.
It's a very well-balancedshotgun.
And I think that pound for poundand dollar for dollar, the
Beretta 1301 to me representsprobably one of the best values

(05:46):
in like an upper end, highperformance semi-auto tactical
shotgun that you can get.
Um, I do have a full video onthis gun if y'all want to check
it out over on IRAC Veteran8888.
Um, some of you may be listeningin audio form.
Uh, be advised, we do put out avideo uh form of this particular
podcast over on the IRACVeteran8888 YouTube channel if

(06:08):
you want to be able to see thisstuff in the flesh uh rather
than listening to me describeit.
But uh, if you're listening, uhthis is a very cool shotgun, has
a pistol grip, adjustable Mesatactical stock, um, ghost ring
sights.
It's a really nice rig.
And uh so Matt has a shotgun.

SPEAKER_01 (06:25):
Yes, this is the the old Mossy 990, uh Mossberg 990,
um, semi-automatic.
You know, I think you hitsomething um, you know, on the
head when you said fastfollow-up shots, semi-automatics
are definitely more prevalentnow than they used to be.
The the technology, the gassystems are more refined.

(06:46):
What I would say is that um ifyou're in a first world country
and you know, parts areplentiful and you know, armors
and whatnot are around, it's agood idea.
If you are if you're looking forsuper rugged reliability, I mean
you're you can never go wrongwith a pump.
And there's plenty of good pumpaction shotguns out there.

(07:07):
Um they they basically aren'tprone to ammo quirks uh that you
run into with thesemi-automatics, mainly like
light loads, bird shot, non-highbrass shells, um just ammunition
that sometimes will cause somefailures in semi-automatics.
Uh, you don't really have thatissue with pump actions.

(07:30):
But this particular one, uh 990,is one that Eric SBS'd.
Yeah, and it's a it's a beauty,man.
Like this thing, it just looksit looks the bee's knees, as
they say.
It looks really good.

SPEAKER_00 (07:45):
You can put a collapsible stock on that bad
boy.
Um, that gun will take anyfurniture that any 500 or 590
will take.
So it was smart on Mossberg'spart to make it compatible with
590 furniture.
So it's it's great.
So you can put your favoritecollapsible stock on that and
have a very short little rig.
Um, you know, it does hold lessrounds.
I think it's like five roundstotal.

(08:06):
Um, so it holds less shelves,but it's nice and compact.
And really, in my opinion, asfar as shotgun technology goes
now and the stuff that we haveavailable to us, I think the 990
is really hard to beat.
I did a video yet again.
Uh, if you want to see a video,I did a complete video on that
gun before I SPS'd it and after.
So if you want to see theperformance and the overall

(08:29):
flexibility of the gun beforeand after, you can definitely
check that out on my channel.
I have those videos, uhshameless self-promotion.
But if you want to see videos onthese guns so far, it looks like
just about all the stuff wehave, we have some sort of a
video on.
So um, you'll be able to seethis stuff in action if you want
to check it out.

SPEAKER_01 (08:47):
I will say that um yours has the pistol grip.
I'm more I'm more into the fieldstocks myself.
I I like the grip angle a littlebit better.
I like the ability to to reloada little bit faster on my end,
as long as you know what you'redoing.
Um you got the the fattycharging handle here that helps

(09:08):
you get the grip if you want togo Russian style, you can.
Um, it always looks good in thevideos.
Um overall, shotguns, greatchoice.
Uh, you can't go wrong,regardless if it's five rounds
or seven rounds or ten rounds.
I do know that didn't they havea JM 990 model at some point?

SPEAKER_00 (09:28):
They uh so they had the 940 JM model, that's Jerry
Mitchlich's model, and thoseguns are neat.
Um I I do have a uh I do have a940 in there as well, the full
size.
Yeah, it's great.

SPEAKER_01 (09:39):
Yeah, no, it was like basically like a race
ready, like off the rack.
As close as you can get, like arace ready, as close as you can
get, just pull it.
Oh, yeah, upgraded, goodfurniture on it.

SPEAKER_00 (09:49):
I had an old 930 and I got rid of that gun, and I
really regret getting rid of itbecause it's a nice, slim,
functional type of gun, but the940 is such an upgrade over the
930.
So I have so many semautoshotguns, I was like, yeah, I'll
part with my 930, let someoneelse enjoy it for a while, but
it is a great gun.
And I got rid of my FN um SLP aswell, and I really hate uh that

(10:11):
I got rid of that gun.
I really should have kept my SLPbecause that's the only other
shotgun that I think can cycleas fast as this 1301.

SPEAKER_01 (10:18):
I I do remember that seeing that JM9, I think it was
a 940 at the time.

SPEAKER_02 (10:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
And uh, we were I was actually I was trying to
pick a semi-otic shot,semi-automatic shotgun, and you
pointed it out to me, and I waslike, no, I'm gonna get I'm
gonna get the Beretta.
And then you were like, but that9040's got a good price on it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (10:36):
And I was like, You bought an M4.

SPEAKER_01 (10:37):
Yeah, you bought a Benelli, didn't you?
Yeah, but it was the it was theLE model.
So that's that's what that'swhat swayed me.
It was already the that alreadyhad the extended gas tube on it,
and I was like, nah, brother,we're going with that one.

SPEAKER_00 (10:48):
Yeah, it's a great gun.
I I actually got rid of my M4.

SPEAKER_01 (10:51):
Oh, the the marine?

SPEAKER_00 (10:53):
I did after I shot the I after I shot the 1301, I
was like, you know what?
I I like this better than theM4.
And if I'm just keeping the M4really for collectors' purposes,
I I got rid of my M3 and my M4.
The only Benelli that I have nowis my super black eagle, the
Goldie.
Yeah.
Um, she's right here.
This this foolishly long oneright here behind me.

(11:15):
That that's a uh super blackeagle, and it holds 13 rounds of
two and three quarter.

SPEAKER_01 (11:19):
I was gonna say you got the right, you got the race
uh ammo carrier on there, man.

SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
Yes, nice.
So that gun, it's like thatone's kind of special to me
because it's an old uh superblack eagle.

SPEAKER_01 (11:29):
Well, the the the one you have, the storm gray
one, the 1301, that is lighterthan your Benelli as well.
Yeah, like significantlylighter.
A lot lighter.
A lot lighter.

SPEAKER_00 (11:39):
And I also have the A300 that um Beretta sent in for
me to do a video with.
And the A300 is nice.
I like the sights on the A300better than the 1301.
The 1301 kicks less than theA300, A300 has a little more
recoil, but it is a light andhandy little shotgun.
I'll I'll I'll grab it and showit to you later when we're done
filming, but it's pretty coolguys.

SPEAKER_01 (12:01):
Shotguns, great choice, lots of ammo choices.

SPEAKER_00 (12:04):
If you don't want to run a semi-auto, I want to give
an honorable mention here.
Pump actions are good too.
So if you don't have a lot ofmoney to spend, right?
Like this is a police trade-in,Malzburg 500, you know, it has a
rack number on it.
I've shown this little shotgunoff in quite a few videos, but
I'm gonna continue to show itoff because you can pick these
guns up for like 200, maybe 250Barkin dollars used.

(12:28):
There is no reason to not bearmed, right?
If if you can't afford a lot ofgun, like maybe you don't have
enough money to buy yourself arifle or something.
Um, maybe you have a handgunalready and you're looking at
some sort of an extended range,longer gun, something that you
know, a long gun you can use.
I mean, a shotgun with a slugcan can shoot 100 yards, no

(12:50):
problem.
Um, I would say that shotguns,again, payload is king.
And shotguns have a very niceamount of payload and they can
deliver a lot of payload ontarget.
So if you're talking aboutdumping a metric ton of lead on
target in a relatively fastmanner, maybe not fast follow-up
shots, but for each shot beingvery powerful, a pump action is

(13:12):
very effective as well.
And who doesn't, you know, runwhen they when they hear, you
know, that?
I mean, I don't know.
I I personally I keep mineloaded and ready.
I'm not about to go racking it.
If I if I if I'm running into athreat, I'm not doing this.
It's just already gonna beready.
But there is somethingpsychological about that sound.

SPEAKER_01 (13:30):
Well, you know, that whole thing came about came
about because that was like thepolice carry version.
You couldn't, they're not dropsafe.
So obviously, if you're drivingaround in a cruiser, you're not
gonna ideally, you're not gonnahave one sitting in the pipe uh
just in case anything happens.
Um, so that whole methodmethodology was like, hey, we

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need it, and then they're notdrop safe, racket, boom, you're
good to go.

SPEAKER_00 (13:55):
Shotguns have their place, and that's the point that
I want to make.
You know, I prefer semi-autos.
Um, again, I'm more of atactical shotgun guy.
So for me, buckshot slugs aregonna be my flavors.
Uh, you can shoot less thanlethal, beanbag rounds, chalk
rounds.
Um, there's all sorts ofdifferent kitchen sink type
rounds, less than lethal.
You can get beanbag rounds,rubber buckshot, um, breaching

(14:19):
rounds.
You can actually get rounds thatare made to shoot locks off that
are made out of a hardenedpowdered metal.

SPEAKER_02 (14:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:24):
And they will blow locks right off a door and do it
without hurting you.
So there's lots of uses thatshotguns have, more uses than we
can probably even discuss in theentire episode if we wanted to.

SPEAKER_01 (14:34):
Now, I I will say that if I remember correctly,
the Benelli M4 had a system inplace where even if you had one
loaded, it wouldn't fire becauseit has to uh if you ghost loaded
it, you had to rack itspecifically because it didn't
it it didn't feel the uh thefeed ramp go up and down.

(14:55):
It's got like a it's got amechanism mechanism in there
where the feed ramp has to movefor for the firing pin to
actually drop.

SPEAKER_00 (15:02):
Well, when the um so with the M4, with the M4, you
can drop a round out on the onthe carrier on the on the the
lifter, lifting gate, and youcan have a round all full in the
tube, and you can put one in thechamber.
Correct.
So when you ghost load the M4and you have one in the chamber,
that starts the party.
So when you shoot that firstround, then it it activates the

(15:23):
the latch to let go the nextround that's already in the
carrier.

SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (15:26):
So your first two shots out of an M4 is ghost
loaded, you can generally getthose two off pretty quick
because the round's alreadythere.

SPEAKER_01 (15:33):
Correct.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (15:33):
So uh I like the M4.
Look, the M4 is a fantastic gun.
I I totally would trust my lifeto a Benelli M4.
I mean, there's a reason thatthey're the top of the heap for
shotguns.
Um, but I generally, to me, the1301 is maybe just by virtue of
it just being lighter.
For me, it's just aweight-to-weight comparison.
I I like the the weight of the1301.

(15:56):
The only thing about 1301 Iwould say I would prefer.
I'm with you.
I almost kind of would like thestraight stock.
Although they just released a1301 with a badass collapsible
stock, and it looks dope.
And I think I'm gonna totallyget one for this gun because why
not?

SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
You gotta have the ninja factor.

SPEAKER_00 (16:12):
And I think I'm gonna send this gun in and get
some work done on it.
Um, I was recently up at Johnand Shermicha's shoot, and I ran
into uh the guys at LandonTactical, and boy, do they do
some awesome work! And I thinkI'm gonna send this particular
1301 out for a little bit ofgas, uh, the full treatment.
And have Landon Tactical gothrough this thing.

(16:33):
Um, they actually had one oftheir 1301s there at the chute,
and man, it was so nice.
I I was hitting 12-inch platesat 100 yards with open sights
with slugs.
That guy knew when he handed methat gun, he knew I liked slugs.
He he watched my channel andhe's like, Here, have some
slugs.
I'm like, Okay, I see what's up.
Pop, dang.
It's like, oh, there's nothingcooler than hitting stuff like

(16:55):
100 yards away with shotgunslugs.

SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
Will that will the silo suppressor fit on that?

SPEAKER_00 (17:00):
Yeah, you you can you can put all sorts of
suppressors on differentshotguns.
I mean, as long as the shotgunhas a removable choke, like the
1301 does, the uh Benelli M4 hasremovable chokes.
But it's too long, man.
But as long as you have aremovable choke, you can fit
like a salvo 12 or any othertype of shotgun suppressor on
there.
Um, shotguns are kind of hard tosuppress.

(17:21):
You know, maybe with somespecial loads that are way
dumbed down and like low on theon the powder range, you it may
not cycle, but if you're reallyquiet, you can get away with
that.
Mini shelter suppressors soundpretty good too.
You know, they kind of have alittle almost like uh car
backfire when it shoots.
It just sounds yeah, kind oflike a little pop.
Yeah, exactly.

(17:42):
So um shotguns are fun, and Ithink that they have a wide
variety of different uses thatcan be used for so many
different things.
And uh so many trainers,especially, they tend to really
turn a blind eye to shotguns.
And the reason is because themanual of arms and the skill set
necessary to handle shotguns.
Look, it's not gonna be a freelunch, y'all.

(18:03):
It's not easy.
You know, loading a shotgununder stress, moving with a
shotgun, shooting a shotgununder stress from weird
positions or whatever.
I mean, yes, you actually haveto be a pretty good shot to run
a shotgun because you don't havethe capacity of an AR or
something that holds 30 plusrounds in the magazine.
So you are running less roundsin the gun, especially with a

(18:26):
shorty.
So people say that a shotgun isa spray and pray, point and
shoot, just point it in theirgeneral direction.
That's not true.
Um, shotgun ammo has come a longway, like with Federal and their
flight control wad with theirbuckshot rounds, the law
enforcement buckshot.
It is so freakishly good.
It patterns great out to 50yards.
So the thing is, even with acylinder bore barrel, like um, I

(18:48):
believe this is a cylinder borethat's on this gun.
Uh yeah.
So even with a cylinder bore,uh, straight cylinder bore on
any shotgun, it's still gonnapattern ridiculously good with
buckshot, which makes a theshotgun not only a close range
defensive tool, but even amedium range defensive tool.
When you look at um the average,let's just say knife fight.

(19:10):
I mean, obviously, if someone'scoming at you to cause you
bodily harm with a piece ofcutlery, or they're gonna use
their fists or they're gonnaattack you, they're gonna be
within seven yards, right?
So that's handgun distance isseven to five yards, right?
Very close.
Now imagine someone's 50, 75,maybe even 100 yards away and
they have a weapon.
Well, that's standoff distance.

(19:31):
You can tell them to stop.
You can remove yourself from thesituation.
I mean, a hundred yards in aself-defense situation is a long
way.

SPEAKER_01 (19:37):
That's a football field.

SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
So shotguns really do give you a lot more
flexibility than you couldpossibly ever imagine if you're
willing to exercise a little bitof restraint and caution and
know when to use them, when notto, and to spend the time to
learn how to run them properly,load them properly, and move and
shoot under stress.
Um, I think in terms of payloadand stopping power, shotguns are

(20:00):
fantastic.
So, again, the stuff we'retalking about is not really in
any particular order.
Uh, I do want to talk about um,let's just say large format
pistols or stuff like your BNTsand your fluxes, which we have
examples of.
Uh, you want to show off a flux?
Now, now Matt was Matt was uhmanhandling this thing earlier,
and he was like, oh man, I loveit.

SPEAKER_01 (20:22):
Dude, that and that that's the raider, so it's like
not just a regular flux.
And if that's because it wasdesigned for the military, so
yes, it is a 320 in there, butthat's because it was for the
military.
That was that's what it's for.
And dude, this was super evenwhen it first came out, I was
really impressed with it.
I was uh it's just everythingabout it.

(20:43):
Yeah, boom.
I'm sorry, boom.
That's a pistol.
It's a pistol.
This is not an this is not anSBR, guys.
That is kind of the the the thesaving grace of this is that you
know anybody can buy it as longas it's not back ordered.
You know, theoretically, yeah.

(21:03):
Theoretically, you should beable to buy this, you know.
Chassis, put your weapon inthere.
It's great, it holds an extramagazine, one in the gun, one
here, brace.
You got your micro red dot uptop.
I mean, it's still everythingstill works the same way as it
should.
Yeah, ambidextrous firecontrols, which is great.

(21:26):
Um, guys, it's just the overall,it's it really changed the game
as far as what you can and can'tdo with that intermediate
distance.
Because I'm like, it's hard toshoot handguns, guys.
Like, it's it's if you don'tpractice, you might be able to
hit a minute of man, you know,most of the time inaccurately.

(21:47):
You can plug you could put ahole in somebody, but these
types of systems really made itto where you can do some damage
going down like a hallway oreven like a hundred yards out,
like you can yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (21:59):
So, what are some of the benefits of a gun, such as
the flux?
Or in this particular case, I dohave a BNT USWG chassis.
Now, this has a Glock 17L in it.

SPEAKER_01 (22:10):
Yeah, the long boy.

SPEAKER_00 (22:12):
The long boy.
So, what are the benefits of alarge format type of pistol?
Okay, what are what are thebenefits of this over a handgun?
Well, one is the stabilizingfactor of the stock and or brace
in this situation.

SPEAKER_01 (22:29):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (22:29):
Gives you faster follow-up shots.
You can shoot way faster, keepit on target, you can stabilize
the gun and shoot at longerdistances.
So if you are worried about, allright, I want to be able to
carry my nine out to 100 yardsand actually be able to hit the
target very reliably, not onlyreliably, but fast.
All right, are there people outthere that can draw their pistol
and shoot it 100 yards and hit a12-inch plate and do it

(22:52):
consistently and maybe evenpretty quick?
Yeah, there are people out therethat can do that with a standard
handgun.
But for most people, this isgoing to be a huge addition to
your ability to reach out longerdistances.
So I can fold this USWG up, putit in my backpack.
Now I have a gun that can sortof it can dabble in the car beam

(23:14):
world, but at pistol ranges, ohmy gosh, this will do everything
a handgun will do and way betterand more accurately and much
quicker with faster follow-upshots.
I would say even more.
If I carry a Glock 19 or a Glock17 already, now I have a gun
that I can have maybe this 19 onmy hip and have the USWG in my

(23:34):
backpack as a backup.
Or if I just want to reach out alittle further, I know that I
have an extra gun that can do sopreemptively.
Let's say that I know I'm goinginto a situation.
I don't know, maybe there's somesort of a shooter or a shooter
event, and it's like, hey, I canintervene, I can, I can help.
Maybe in an extremely measuredsituation where I know exactly
what's up, that and that I knowI can turn the tide.

(23:56):
Well, yeah, I can maybe leave myhandgun on my hip and deploy
this out of my backpack, and Ihave double the firepower of
this gun on tap in the gunalready, and I have a red dot
that will allow me to accuratelyshoot out to 100, maybe even 125
yards.
I would feel comfortable hittinga 12-inch plate at about a buck
25, maybe a buck 50 with thisgun, especially with the longer.

SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
I was gonna say, even but could just due to the
fact that it's the long model,like that that's even like icing
on the case.
It's the long boy.

SPEAKER_00 (24:25):
Yeah, I like it.
And the flux is great.
Now that that has the standardfull size 320.
Now, I know SIG has been youknow getting a lot of crap um
about you know some of their youknow drop safety and all that
sort of stuff, but I've neverhad a problem out of that
particular flux.
I think it's fantastic, and thefact that it is just a pistol
and you don't have to registeras an SBR, that's a nice uh

(24:47):
touch as well.

SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
Yep, and then SIG OEMs those now.
Oh, so you can buy that as a SIGpackage now.
That's right, they do.
You can find it on theirwebsite.
Yeah, you sure can.
Um that's actually that that asan industry, like my hat's off
to the guy, the flux guy, man.
I know we met him at Shot Showone time.
Yeah, then uh yeah, dude.

(25:09):
I mean, he managed to dosomething with that company that
is very rarely accomplished,yeah.
And that is to like take aprivate company, third party
company for accessories, yeah,and get it OEM'd by the actual
manufacturer.
That never happens.

SPEAKER_00 (25:29):
I mean, it does happen, but it's it's I'm not
gonna say it's rare.
I mean, it does happen.
I I just think that it's one ofthose things that is awesome to
see.
Like, you know, Ben, you know,started that company, it was
very small, and he has someinitial prototypes, and he, you
know, he's come a long way withthat that type of design.
And he also uh designed the P365version, so you can have even

(25:51):
smaller if that's what you want.
And I have videos on all ofthese guns that we've talked
about so far, if you want tocheck them out, including this
uh custom Glock 19 that I didsome stuff too.
I have that new uh the Lewis uhlow red dot site on there.
Um another example is SkinnerSites.
So I remember at one point,Henry, you know, like they got
some feedback from people aboutsome of the sites that they were

(26:13):
putting on their lover actionsand things like that.
And Skinner was making thesejust beautiful aftermarket
sites.
And I think eventually Anthonywas like, Wow, these sites are
great.
Like we should do, you know, useyou to OEM to do, you know, some
runs in OEM.
And I think they ended up doingsome OEM work with Skinner.
So it's like if a company makesa great aftermarket product
that, you know, uh uh thatpeople tend to buy a lot, yeah.

(26:36):
Once the gun company notices,like, wow, it seems like
everyone updates this part.
And it's like, well, maybe weshould just offer that from the
factory and just go straight toyou and do business with you,
and then they get it straightfrom us, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
But think about how many companies out there make
accessories for firearms, andthink about how many companies
are chosen to OEM.
So, like, it's like it's sominuscule.
And also, like the liabilityaspect of it.
Think about how much liabilitythey're willing to absorb,
especially for something like achassis.

SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
Or imagine how much they've tested it to beg to know
that they can put their name onit and they know it's a chance.

SPEAKER_01 (27:14):
Yeah, when when when you say like the the people that
do that have accomplishedsomething, that that's saying
something that the company'swilling to step up and say,
well, you know, we're willing towe're willing to to fall on that
sword if it happens.
That's true.
But uh, you know, to the uh backto what you said about carrying
the uh Glock and the BNT.

(27:35):
When you have two, you have toput yourself in different
situations.
Maybe you're carrying the thechassis and you still have your
gun on your side.
Maybe you're in a situationwhere you have to hand that off
to somebody.
And like now you don't, you'renot giving up your primary
weapon.
You're like, oh hey, what ifyou're carrying somebody that's
wounded and you need they needto have a weapon?
So it really gets to be.

SPEAKER_00 (27:55):
What if you need to leave your wife and kids
somewhere safe and you can leaveher with your handgun to protect
yourself and while you goinvestigate so it really gives
you a lot of flexibility on whatyou can do with with it?

SPEAKER_01 (28:06):
Two is one and one is none.
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (28:09):
So I always like the idea of having a spare gun uh on
hand, you know, whether it's agun that's on my person.
Now, generally when I travel, Ihave my little Bucky's backpack
that I take places with me, andI usually keep like some road
flares in there and a breachingpin and medical and tourniquets
and maybe a little food, like alittle snack, maybe just one

(28:30):
water that I keep just in caseyou get stranded somewhere, but
also extra magazines, you know,basic boo-boo kits, things like
that.
And I keep my uh USWG in there,and then my Glock is on my hip.
And then usually when I travel,I like to take a rifle of some
sort as well.
So I usually take uh either a10.3 Daniel Defense Mark 18 or

(28:52):
something like an 11.5 inch HMdefense or even a PSA on a
machine gun lower.
I mean, for me, like I like ARsthat are in that 10.3 to 11.5
inch uh barrel length.
Um uh you have a Mark 18 overthere.
So I guess since we kind of wedived into uh rifles
potentially, so uh show them theMark 18.

SPEAKER_01 (29:14):
Yeah, man, that that is a beauty unless you get all
the way across.
Yeah, but I was I was tellingEric like Daniel Defense.
I mean, I'm I understand theMark 18 is an older design, like
it came out quite a while ago,even like the beginning of the
GWA, middle of the GWA.

(29:35):
The gun looks sexy, it is a itis a sexy looking gun.
There's no doubt about it.
I mean, that's the allure of it,it's extremely popular.
It's uh due to its reliability.
Why is it reliable?
Because they overgass the crapout of it.
It will like it will it will andthen you put it on.
Sorry, Marty.
Hey, but they do, but that's bythat's by design, but it works.

(29:58):
I mean, and then you throw thecan on the There and you're
getting some gas back in yourface, deal with it, guys.
All right.
Like you're you're shooting aMark 19 or Mark 18.
Sorry.
I mean, it's it's par for thecourse, it chews up ammo, it's
reliable, same parts as all ofyour other ARs.
Looks barrel.
Yep, looks good.

(30:18):
Um, this particular one, youhave the adjustable optic or the
adjustable magnifier EOTech.
It works, guys.

SPEAKER_00 (30:30):
Yeah, I still need to do a video on that particular
gun.
Admittedly, um, I received thatgun as a Christmas present a
couple of years ago, and I stillhave not even done a video on
it.
And you got nice friends, man.
I know.
And look, the folks at DanielDefense were nice enough to send
me that uh DD wave suppressor.
So that's actually their factorysuppressor for that gun.
And then Eotech was nice enoughto send me that optic and

(30:51):
magnifier so that we could puton this rig.
And I wanted to kind of puttogether what I viewed was like
the perfect home defense carbeing, the perfect road defense
carbine.
And like for me, a 10.3, youdon't need to shoot it any
further than a couple hundredyards.
Can a Mark 18 shoot three or 400yards?
Yes, it can.
You can totally connect with aMark 18 at distance.

(31:13):
Uh, they're very accurate guns.
So it's not about being able toconnect or not.
For me, I think everything isabout having a tool for a
specific purpose and doing itwithin the confines of what you
expect.
Um, so if you expect the troubleto be 200 yards and in, well
then why you don't need to bringa 500-yard gun to what you view
as kind of in the 90 percentilea 200-yard fight tops.

(31:37):
Maybe you want to give yourselfsome standoff distance.
And for me, that's what I thinkthe Mark uh Mark 18 does for me.
It's a great room-to-room gun,it's a great compact gun that
can be used in tight quarters,it can be maneuvered in tight
quarters.
Um, it's very reliable uh andeverything like that.
But also, hey, if the chancethat I do need to engage a

(31:57):
target two or three hundredyards away, I know that I can do
it if I need to.
So the the magnifier gives theflexibility of being able to let
you see something further awayif you need to.
But most of the time you'reprobably gonna run it with it,
you know, the magnifier out ofthe way and just use it as an up
close and personal 50 yards andin rifle, which for a 10.3
inside of 50 yards, it'sabsolutely devastating.

(32:19):
Um, especially with um there'san FBI load that is a 62 or it
might even be a 65 grain uhbonded bear claw bullet.
Uh, it's a bonded soft pointthat um is the FBI load that
federal load loaded at one pointfor the feds to use in their
short-barreled rifles because ofits effectiveness as a bullet to

(32:42):
expand to over double thediameter as a bonded core bullet
out of a 10.3 inch or slightlylonger barrel.
So the fact that a 10.3 can makea soft point expand to double
its diameter and retain almostall of its weight on a soft
unarmored target inside of youknow 50 yards.
To me, I consider that to bequite impressive, especially

(33:05):
when you consider thehydrostatic effect of a 556,
even with a ball round, ispretty damn devastating, okay?
Especially with the highervelocity.
A ball round coming out of a20-inch barrel like M855A1 is
certainly nothing to uh bat aneye at.
It's a it's it's a nasty, nastyround with some good velocity.

(33:26):
When you lower the velocity,when you have a shorter length
barrel, you do have to have around that is sort of engineered
and tailored to work well out ofa short barrel rifle.
So the thing is, a 10.3 may notbe useful for long-range
shooting, but that's not why Iwant a Mark 18.
I want a Mark 18 because it'svery useful for up close and
personal.
It's the perfect home defensegun, it's the perfect road gun.

(33:49):
It really is the perfectall-purpose, all business, no
bull crap, life and liberty typeof rigging.
And I like the 10.3.
People can argue with me aboutbarrel length.
I have my 20-inch ARs as well.
Like you may be able to see onebehind me.
This is an 18-inch.
Um this one back here is an18-inch uh Robinson.

(34:10):
Okay.
And then I have another 18-inchright there.
So 20-inch has its use, but a10.3 has its use.
And everything in between hasits use.
But barrel length does matter onAR.
You get substantial increases invelocity and let's just say
hydrostatic killing power, ifyou will, the longer the barrel

(34:33):
lives.

SPEAKER_01 (34:34):
You're over here bragging about your ultimate,
you know, your ultimateroom-to-room gun and your the
perfect gun to do this and that.
I'll show you the perfect gun,Eric.

SPEAKER_00 (34:46):
Show me the perfect gun, man.

SPEAKER_01 (34:47):
The perfect weapon, I should say.
Really?
We'll see what you're talkingabout.
This son is my personal AT-4.
Where did you get that?
It fires a 21,000 grain rocket.
Total weight, 14.6 pounds.
Effective range, depending onyour eyesight.

(35:12):
200 meters.
200 meters.

SPEAKER_00 (35:14):
200 meters.
I remember when we used to trainon the AT4s with those um those
nine millimeter tracers.
Yep.
Those are fun.
And then you just see the littletracer go down range.

SPEAKER_01 (35:28):
This will take care of any house, any room within a
two-block range.

SPEAKER_00 (35:33):
So why enter the room when you can just destroy
the room?

SPEAKER_01 (35:35):
That's what we say.
Why go in?
Just bring it down on top ofthem.
But guys, if you want, if youwant 21,000 grains of hate and
high explosive, yeah.
Go with a US AT4.

SPEAKER_00 (35:55):
Can't be beat.
So, quick note on the AT4.
They have made some improvementsto the AT4 design since our
decrepit assets have beeninvolved with them.
Uh, those, like he has there,that's a throwaway.
That's a one shot and you toss atube.
Doesn't that seem wasteful?

SPEAKER_01 (36:11):
It does seem wasteful.

SPEAKER_00 (36:12):
The new AT4s can be reloaded.

SPEAKER_01 (36:14):
Uh, yes.
How cool.
Yep.
I thought it was really coolwhen they came out with the the,
I think Saab makes those.
Uh, they made the ones that havethe seawater in it, so you can
actually shoot them in this, youcan not worry about the
backblast or the shooting theminside of a room.
Because you can't shoot thoseinside of a room, guys.
You shoot those inside of aroom, you're gonna die.

(36:34):
You're gonna go deaf.
Yeah, you have internalbleeding, you will die.

SPEAKER_00 (36:38):
You're gonna rupture your kidneys.
Yeah, I mean, if you look at thewarning on there, trust me, they
they they they make it to whereyou realize that you don't stand
behind that sucker.

SPEAKER_01 (36:47):
Yeah, and if you're shooting it in an enclosed
space, don't.
So the new model or the thesecond generation um had like a
water ballast in it.
So as soon as you fired, itwould spit water out of the back
to kind of absorb any of thatbackblast.

SPEAKER_00 (37:01):
You might get a little messy, but it won't hurt
you.

SPEAKER_01 (37:03):
And then the third iteration, the current model, is
the reloadable, like differentrounds.

SPEAKER_00 (37:08):
So what's crazy about the AT4 as well?
Um, I did fire a live AT4, andI'll tell you, it doesn't kick.

SPEAKER_01 (37:16):
No, it has got zero recoil.

SPEAKER_00 (37:18):
You would think that it has like a tremendous amount
of recoil, but it reallydoesn't.
It has no recoil, it's it'srecoiless.
So the reason those trainingrounds are so great is because
it teaches you hey, don'tflinch, just squeeze it gently.
And you know, the the AT4actually has a pretty good
trigger.
Like if you take the trainer andwork it a few times, you know,
you it's actually not bad.

SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
You can just it's very video game like it is, like
it totally is.

SPEAKER_00 (37:43):
And to think that we were 18, 19, 20-year-old kids
being turned loose in thesandbox with those things is
like crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (37:48):
I'll tell you the two coolest things that I've got
to do was shoot an AT4.
Yeah.
Because when you shoot it, likewhen you shoot it, you don't you
don't believe it's reality.
Like you hit the button, you seeit fly, you see an explosion,
and you're like kind of lookingaround, and then you hear it.

(38:09):
So it's like it's like the crazyyour first really experience of
like boom, you see it happen infront of your eyes, and then you
feel it and hear it afterwards.

SPEAKER_00 (38:18):
Everybody sees a movie and they think that you
know an explosion's fiery andepic and things like that, but
explosions aren't necessarilylike that.
Like that's only like that inthe movies when you see all the
fire and brimstone and stuff.
Explosions are actually kind ofboring looking.
Like you see an AT4 round godownrange and you see it impact,
it's like that's it.

(38:39):
It doesn't really look thatimpressive, but what happens
downrange is damn impressive,and um, especially the same goes
to say for grenades.
Like in movies, you always seegrenades get thrown, and you
know, you see a big fieryexplosion, but they have to do
that to make it look coolbecause when a grenade blows up,
it's kind of lackluster,anticlimatic that powerful.

(39:01):
And when you look at the um, infact, I don't know, do you still
have the German stick grenadeback there?
The potato masher.
Well, anyway, I I've got apotato masher laying around
somewhere.
Those German grenades that thethat the uh Germans, you know,
the Nazis would throw in WorldWar II, those grenades are
really more of a stun type ofthing.
It was just meant to stun you.

(39:23):
It didn't really have like thedestructive power that everybody
thinks they did.
Now, if one landed close enough,yeah, you're you're probably
gonna have a bad day.
But grenades, you know, aredefinitely it's a crazy weapon
to think of you're you'readding, you're taking the most
primitive weapon in the worldand you're adding the most
advanced weapon in the world.
You're making explosive rock.

(39:43):
How long have people beenthrowing rocks at each other in
warfare, right?
Imagine it's the same primitiveidea of throwing a rock at
somebody, except that rock isgonna explode.
And that, you know, and ourdrill instructors in Basic,
they're like, just pretend it'sa rock.
Well, damn, you know, when youthink about it like that, it is
just throwing rocks.
And like they had this uh littlefake mortar tube set up at the

(40:05):
grenade range.
And uh they're like, if anybodycan hit that, if anybody can hit
that mortar tube with thepractice grenade and get it to
go down the tube, you get a callhome.
We'll give you a phone call hometoday.
And you better believe that uhPrivate Blanford threw that
grenade right in that damnmortar tube.
I sure did and was like,challenge accepted, and I got it

(40:26):
on the first try.
And that guy was like, Oh mygod, damn.
Oh, yeah.
You're like, man, now I have togo out of my way to remember to
let this kid have a dang phonecall.
But the most primitive weaponand the most advanced weapon
mixed together is a handgrenade.

SPEAKER_01 (40:40):
Yep.
In that wild, I'll tell you thesecond craziest experience was
um letting off a claymore.
Yeah, so like very similarexperience.
Like you have the clacker, andyou're like, I see the light,
and then it blows up and it'sthe same thing as an AT4.

SPEAKER_00 (40:56):
It's like boom, yeah, and then and then you see
it, and then you hear it, andyou're like, oh wow, but I mean
I will say that the downrangelook of a claymore is
impressive, though.
Like, if you especially if youshoot a claymore and it's and
it's a backdrop at a range thathas maybe a lot of dirt on the
back berm, and it's not a lot ofgrass, and you can really see

(41:16):
where the projectiles go, theindividual pellets, yeah, it
actually covers a pretty dangwide area.
Like a claymore is adevastatingly effective weapon
if used properly.
It's like if that's one thingthat I wish that we could have
as civilians, is claymores.

SPEAKER_01 (41:31):
Dude, I'll tell you the feeling they're awesome.
When I was when we were in Iraq,we were at the Lion's Den.
You didn't like we were there solong, like you kind of forget
that you're in a war zone.
Because like you're there,right?
And you're just doing you forgetthe entire perimeter, it's
covered in claymores.
Yes, dude.

(41:51):
And like I remember like becausewe were running patrols for like
six months, so we were neverlike static, we were never like
holed up in one area, like wewere just constantly moving, and
then we got the lion's denassignment.
So we had we were there and wewere like patrolling out of the
lion's den.
Yeah, and I remember when we didthe handoff, that's when it
that's when I had to remember Iwas in a war zone because he was
like, all right, guys, here'sthe here's the clicker for the

(42:13):
claymores.
The claymores are here, here,here, and here.
He was like, you know, thedrill, they start coming across,
you hit the claymore, and I waslike, Holy crap, I forgot, like,
we're in a war session.
Yeah, I know it's that reallyweird feeling of like, okay,
like back to reality.

(42:34):
Yeah, it is handless key to you,like, hey, if you push this
button, things explode.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:39):
Like, you know, you're 19 years old and you've
got somebody telling you, hey,this clacker can can make it
rain hell out there.
And you got your own guyswalking out there, you got your
own vehicles coming in and out.
So it's like, what if someonefell asleep at the wheel and
accidentally hit the clacker,which you can't really do
because it takes a lot of force.
Yeah, and they do that onpurpose to make it where you
have to be deliberate.

(43:00):
And it's like, you know,clacker, clacker, you know, you
you gotta really hit it hard,and you're supposed to hit it
multiple times.

SPEAKER_01 (43:05):
And you got that little metal safety that's like
underneath it.

SPEAKER_00 (43:09):
No, and the the likelihood of it accidentally
going off are slim, but neverknown.

SPEAKER_01 (43:13):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (43:13):
I mean, I could talk about that kind of stuff all
day.
And when it comes to life andliberty, I mean, heck yeah.
I mean, would it be cool to havea drone that can drop hand
grenades?
And you know, it's interesting.
And in previous videos, I'vetalked a lot about how drone
warfare does really change themodern uh landscape of personal
defense and probably out of thescope of what today's video is
really about.

(43:34):
You know, um, I want to talk alittle bit more about guns.
We we do have one more gun thatyou have over there that I don't
think we've shown off yet.
So we're getting back to thelarge format pistols, but this
is slightly different.
What Matt has here is a um afull auto AR that has a stern
defense nine millimeter upper.
Um, so you have a machine gun,it's a full auto, okay, and it

(43:57):
takes the SIG M17 mag.
So just like I mentioned, havinglet's say the Glock19 and the um
USWG, he has the stern defenseupper and lower set up with the
P320 magazines, as well as theflux radar.
So you could easily have thatstowed away in a backpack along
with the flux radar, and now youhave a tremendous amount of

(44:19):
firepower on tap.
And uh it it is stupid fast, itcycles so fast.
It it it'll empty a mag in likelike that is out of here.

SPEAKER_01 (44:29):
I I would I would probably imagine how fast that's
gonna it rips them out of there.
Yeah, it's like almost like my380.

SPEAKER_00 (44:37):
It is so freaking reliable.
I mean, we've done meltdowntests and we we've done all
sorts of tests with the SternDefense setup.
And a big shout out to SternDefense.
Uh, they do a lot of stuff onthe military contract and OEM
level as well.
So they're really busy thesedays with lots of stuff going
on.
But if you didn't know aboutStern Defense, if you ever want
to, and this is not necessarilymeant to be a plug, but I love

(44:58):
the company and I I know themvery well.
They're really good people.

SPEAKER_01 (45:01):
Um sisters, right?

SPEAKER_00 (45:03):
Uh yeah.
Yeah, and they're wonderful.
And uh the dad is a genius, youknow, he's just kind of one of
those guys that's just likealways got you know random
things going on.
They make all sorts of adapters,folding stock adapters.

SPEAKER_01 (45:15):
Uh, they make these rail system adapters that are
great, like quick release railsystems that are really that's
kind of where they got theirstart, was with that that uh the
swinging adapter for the for thestock.

SPEAKER_00 (45:25):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (45:26):
I remember when they I first met them, that was at
one of your range days.
And the two sisters had justcame into the company.
Like they weren't always there,but like the dad kind of asked
them.
But yeah, I remember meetingthem.

SPEAKER_00 (45:36):
But the but but those uh those lowers, uh, the
the the magazine adapters andtheir uppers, they're fantastic.
They really do a great job.
And I tell you, they they arefully mill spec, ready to go.
Like they make really goodstuff.
Yep, super easy to install,super easy to keep running.
I I strongly recommend anythingfrom Stern Defense if you're
looking to convert your AR overto nine millimeter.

(45:57):
Definitely worth looking into.

SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
Didn't they have the first um adapter for the buffer
spring on the on the stock?
Like you were able to retainyour buffer spring while still
switching.

SPEAKER_00 (46:11):
That's right.
If you think about it, like atakedown.
Yeah, what's cool about thatconcept is that you know, this
was back when there was stillall the shenanigans going on
with the braces.
Now, not that they ever would,you know, advertise it in such a
way, but if you had a brace onyour gun, you could easily just
take it off and put whatever onyou want.
I'm not suggesting do that, butthe implication was that if you

(46:34):
needed to just put the gun backinto a pistol configuration
quickly, you could.
Uh, you know, so that has itsbenefits, but a great company
nonetheless.
And I'm glad that uh I thoughtto show that particular gun off.
And um, so you have shotguns,you have rifles, you have large
format pistols such as the FluxRaider and the USWG.
Um, we'll talk a little moreabout handguns.

(46:55):
I know I I I touched briefly onthe Glock uh 19.
Um, there are a variety ofdifferent guns that I like for
concealed carry purposes.
I would say if I want somethingmore in the full-size realm, uh
19's hard to beat.
Yep.
Right?
And you've got your uh what isthat gun again?
Zev.
The Zev.

SPEAKER_01 (47:14):
Yep, right.
The OC9.
OC9, yeah.
C.
OZ9C.

SPEAKER_00 (47:18):
That gun has a left-hand twist.

SPEAKER_01 (47:20):
It does.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:21):
It's so odd to me, but it's accurate.

SPEAKER_01 (47:24):
I love it, man.
Like I carry it every day.
Um, I mean, when you when itcomes down to it, uh Glock
model, Gucci Glock.
I mean, it's hard to find a gun.
Yeah, no, I mean, it's hard tofind a gun these days that
doesn't have inspiration from aGlock model or direct, you know,

(47:44):
third gen copy because they thepatent ran out at some point.
Um, but overall, it's a greatgun.
There's always been guys thathave been doing some really,
really unique stuff with withthat type of gun, whether it's
slide lightning slides,stippling, uh lightning cuts.

SPEAKER_00 (48:01):
Zev has done a fantastic job with that gun.
It really is nice.
It is a joy to shoot.

SPEAKER_01 (48:06):
They managed to stay out of the headlines, which is
always hard to do when you're inthe firearms industry.
You know, somebody's making theheadlines for something.

SPEAKER_00 (48:13):
That's a freaking truth.

SPEAKER_01 (48:14):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (48:14):
I like the Glock 19 and variants of which, whether
it's uh, you know, hey, the Zev,or you're looking at things such
as a new Ruger that just cameout that's essentially a Glock
copy in a way.
Agency that came out, PSAdagger.
Yep.
I mean, there's so many thingsout there that are great.
I mean, anything in that vein isis hard to beat.
I do like the Glock a lot justfor its rugged, um, you know,

(48:37):
it's just a rugged gun that it'sit's a tool that dispenses
bullets.
It's not that it's not made tolook pretty, it's not made to be
cool, it's not made to be showy.
Now you can make them showy, ofcourse.
Like your Zev is pretty showy.

SPEAKER_01 (48:48):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (48:49):
But even this Glock is kind of showy.
I mean, we added a laser andsome of our uh nice grip uh
modules from uh oh my gosh, whomakes these things?

SPEAKER_01 (48:58):
Grip it.
Huh?
Grip it.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:01):
Yeah, handle it, handle it, handle it grips,
handle it grips, huh?
Yeah, so our friends at handleit grips, they do these little
wraps that are very nice, giveyou a nice little purchase on
there.

SPEAKER_01 (49:11):
Yeah, I remember you I held it and I and you told me
about it.

SPEAKER_00 (49:13):
And then we've got our Lewold Optic on there, and
I've got a set of night sightsthat were on there, and they've
got a Viridian laser, a C5laser.
So yeah, this gun is not a Guccigun in its current
configuration, but it does havea factory Nubix slide.
So cool, you know, it's a Gen 3.
I tend to prefer the Gen 3.
Although, if I am gonna go withsomething that's outside of the
vein of a Gen 3 in a Glock, I dolike the 19X a lot.

(49:38):
This is uh well, I'll just breakit, y'all.
I like the 19X a lot.
If I'm gonna run, you know, moreof a full-size frame with the uh
the shorter slide.
So this is basically a 17 on themullet gun.
This is the 17 on the bottom anda 19 on the top.
So you get the full magazinelength and the full grip length.

(50:00):
And I like this gun a lot.
Like the 19X is seriously agreat gun.
And I know that Glock has beencatching some grief.
Um, if you've seen any of myvideos that I've made recently,
I've already probably discussedsome of the issues with uh
Glock's model changes, uh, wherethey've uh gone to a non-seer
ready model that they're nowgonna start shipping uh later

(50:20):
this month.
I don't necessarily agree withthat uh position, but it means
that all the Gen 3 Glocks areprobably gonna go up in price
just by virtue of, I mean,that's just how things are.

SPEAKER_02 (50:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (50:29):
Anytime they change a design, uh, you know, the
older design tends to kind ofyou know hold some value.
But anyway, um, for this type ofgun, you know, I do like the
size of a 19 for general purposecarry, and I like the SIG P365
as well.
You know, it's a nice compact,small gun, uh, still holds a
decent amount of shots.
I've been looking at that newSmith Wesson uh shield uh that

(50:52):
they have the little tiny uhdouble stack shield.
It's not the shield plus, it'sthe newest Smith Wesson that
just came out.
I forget the name of it, butman, that gun looks promising
too.
It's it's I think it's a doublestack 380.

SPEAKER_01 (51:04):
So it's super tiny.
It's ridiculously small.

SPEAKER_00 (51:09):
It's so small you'd almost forget you have it on
your body.
So again, where the large formatpistols like the USWG and the
Flux Raider are useful.
This is not exactly somethingyou're just gonna put on your
hip.
No, versus a P365 or a microdouble stack nine, something in
the micro nine category, issomething that's pretty awesome.

(51:29):
That you know, it can disappearon the body and really be the
ultimate in concealed carry.

SPEAKER_01 (51:34):
Although, if I remember correctly, they did
make a leg holster for theraider.

SPEAKER_00 (51:39):
Yes, they did.

SPEAKER_01 (51:39):
Uh, that I distinctly remember, and it was
like a fast, it was like a fastretention holster where you can
just pull it and then let Iremember the whole thing was
like the little the the stock.
I think at that they were usinga stock, so it was like pop.

SPEAKER_00 (51:52):
And that may not be necessarily practical for your
everyday you know user.
I think they're really intendedthat more for operational.
That was like military military,but it's still cool.
I mean, you show up to the rangewith that on, people are gonna
be like, what the heck?
What what in the RoboCop isgoing on here?

SPEAKER_01 (52:06):
You might get the wrong type of attention.
Uh you walk into the range likethat.
You're gonna be the meme of likethe guy walking in what not to
do at the gun store.

SPEAKER_00 (52:17):
Um, I'll elaborate quickly on revolvers.
I mean, look, revolvers havetheir place too.
Is that to say that you know,would I go out of my way to
carry a revolver as a primary?
Probably not.
Um, I would treat a J-framerevolver as a backup.
For me, I kind of treat thatmore of a pocket gun.
I normally, now, I don't want togive away too much tea here, but

(52:38):
I guess I'll tell y'all.
We're all friends here.
I usually carry my wallet in myright pocket.
So I may occasionally carry mywallet in my left pocket and
carry my revolver in my rightpocket.
Someone says, give me yourwallet, I'm gonna give them my
wallet.
I'm gonna reach in my pocket andand Jack Ruby, pow, pow, pow.
I'm gonna give them all fiverounds out of a J-frame as fast
as I can pull the trigger.

(53:00):
And that that's kind of what youcall a New York dupe.
Uh, you know, and and hey,that's old trick.
I'll let you have that one forfree.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (53:08):
You can I'm just reaching for my wallet.
Yeah, it's just a wallet.

SPEAKER_00 (53:12):
Here, have the wallet.
Yeah, you know, or give, or givethem your give them your wallet,
and I know, look, that's thatthat's my strategy.
You know, but anyway, I like therevolver because it can tuck
away you know inside a pocketquite easily.
Uh double uh double actiontriggers, nice and reliable, you
know, reasonably good velocityand power, even out of a snub

(53:35):
nose 38.
A little more, a little more assthan a nine millimeter, not
much, but some.
And uh relatively compact gunthat's pretty bomb-proof.
I like the J-frame revolversquite a bit.
Oh, I do have my J-frame righthere.
Look at this.
I'm I'm on it today, ain't I?
Ooh, it has some bullets in it.
That would have been bad.
It has some bullets in it.

(53:57):
You got the critical D in there,too.
You got some critical, yeah,critical defense.
All right, but there's myJ-frame.
Now, that this is the lastJ-frame that I've kept.
I've had a couple over theyears, but this is a Wiley Clapp
uh model that's been customized,it's been ported.

SPEAKER_01 (54:11):
Oh, that's nice.

SPEAKER_00 (54:12):
And it's got a set of Rogers Combat grips that are
uh custom walnut grips, and it'shad the ejector latch uh lower
profile that's been cut down,and it's had a night sight
installed, which I actually needto upgrade.
The night sight is dead nowbecause this is an older gun.
I need to get a fresh sight forit.
But this is a great carry gun.

SPEAKER_01 (54:34):
Dude, that port job looks beautiful, dude.

SPEAKER_00 (54:36):
It is a fantastic port job.
Yeah, and I can shoot this gunfast as crap at close range.
So, yeah, like a custom J-frameas a carry gun, I could probably
get away with that and and andbe okay.
Would it be my first choice?
Um would it be my first choice?
Probably not.
Maybe a backup, but not aprimary.

SPEAKER_01 (54:56):
I'll tell you, man, if I had to choose a revolver to
carry, it would be an N-frameand it would be the 327 pug
nose.
Completely impractical.
But man, that thing has likejust this cool factor.

SPEAKER_00 (55:13):
It is a cool factor.

SPEAKER_01 (55:15):
I mean, bro, you pull out a uh two-inch snub nose
on somebody and you startblasting.

SPEAKER_00 (55:21):
Because I think that gun's an eight shot.
It is, yeah, it has eight shots.

SPEAKER_01 (55:24):
Eight shots moon clip ready.

SPEAKER_00 (55:25):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:26):
Um, full size grip, end frame, scandium.
I'm like, golly, dude, you wouldbe spitting fire.
That dude would have thirddegree burns on him.
All right, full of holes.

SPEAKER_00 (55:39):
Full factor aside.
Yeah, all right.
Here's my only issue with thatgun.
I like that gun, but the barrelwith full length, full velocity,
357 Magnum ammo, the barrel'sreally too short to realize what
power that cartridge has tooffer.

SPEAKER_01 (55:55):
So spear makes short barrel ammunition.
Do that in three.
Is it lightweight, like a 110 or100 grain or something?
Yeah, it's designed to be shotout of snub nose.
And that's the only saving gracefor that gun.

SPEAKER_00 (56:08):
But if we're talking a 158-grain plus piece,
something hot, yeah, and afull-length 357.
I mean, yeah, six-inch barrel,357 Magnum.
Now you're talking anythingunder a four-inch, it starts to
kind of be like, all right, dowe just really want nine
millimeter at this point?
And it's funny.

SPEAKER_01 (56:26):
But it shoots 38 special as well.

SPEAKER_00 (56:28):
Tim and I, we actually we kind of joked around
about this, but Tim and I hadthis conversation, Tim at
Military Arms Channel.
And Tim and I had theconversation about uh, I think I
showed him a model 66 that Ihad.
I was like, hey, check out this357, it's got like a three-inch
barrel.
And he's like, Well, anythingunder four inch, you're losing
so much velocity, you might aswell shoot nine millimeter.
I was like, really?

(56:48):
And I went to run the numbersand I'm like looking up data,
I'm like, oh my God, he'sfreaking right.
Like, how did I not notice that?
So it's like sometimes to reallysee the benefit of a revolver,
you kind of have to have thelonger barrel.
And then the longer the barrelgets, the more impractical the
gun gets as a carry gun.
And I think six inches is kindof a long barrel to try to hide.

SPEAKER_01 (57:08):
But even with the two-inch barrel, Eric, do you
think the guy you're shooting atis gonna contest the results?
Well, maybe not.

SPEAKER_00 (57:16):
Yeah.
I mean, if he's 50 yards awayand he's wearing a heavy wool
coat, no, will the roundpenetrate?
Who knows?

SPEAKER_01 (57:23):
You know what?
Maybe that's a test we shouldrun.

SPEAKER_00 (57:26):
Yeah, yeah.
You know, it's funny, I washaving this conversation with
somebody the other day.
I have a ballistics dummy thatuh Clear Ballistics sent out,
and I have an old prop wool coatthat I bought because I was
gonna perform a test.
Um, and and this is getting outof the out of today's show in
terms of you know, kind ofgetting off subject a little
bit, but I'll just mention realquick there's like a rumor that

(57:47):
in the Korean War that the NorthKorean soldiers that were
wearing heavy wool coats thatthe M2 carbines would not
penetrate the wool coats at acertain distance.
And they don't know if it wasmaybe a few hundred yards,
possibly 300 yards.
Yes, the soldiers could getpoint hits on North Korean
soldiers, but their coats wereso thick that the bullets would

(58:09):
simply bounce off or get stuckin the wool.
I want to test it.
I have an M1 right here, noreason not to test it.
So things like that.
It's like sometimes acombination of clothing or
possibly the combination of agiven um type of cover or
concealment or barrier might uhpose a very significant risk to

(58:31):
the effectiveness of your gun,even just being some mild brush,
someone just being kind of likeslightly off in the woods, you'd
be surprised.
You'd think, oh, I got a Mark18, I can just shoot through
that brush.
No, you can't.
Those it's crazy that, like inthe Vietnam War, you know,
soldiers quickly found that likeSKS and AK-47s were much better
suited for jungle warfarebecause of just by virtue of the

(58:54):
bullet being heavier and lowervelocity than the fast-moving
556, which would hit theslightest uh imperfection and
boom, fly off in any direction.
It would completely deflect thebullet in some random direction.
And it's funny, we actuallytested this empirically and
found out that yes, even a 308out of a, I think I had a
Beretta BM59, and we wereshooting a piece of steel that

(59:17):
was no more than 50 yards in thewoods.

SPEAKER_01 (59:19):
I saw those videos.
You made like three of them.

SPEAKER_00 (59:20):
And it's like the gun completely deflected and did
not hit the target, and it wasonly 50 yards away.
You think a 308 surely can shoot50 yards in the woods, not if
there's some rush in the way.
And it was wild how differentthe results were.
Versus if you shot a 4570, ohyeah, that thing's gonna pile on
three like a dump truck.
So guns have their purpose.

(59:42):
And again, shotgun, like wetalked about early in the show.
A shotgun slug, oh yeah.
It doesn't care if there's atree in the way, if there's crap
in the way, payload is king, anda heavy object moving slow is
gonna be less affected by itsenvironment.

SPEAKER_01 (59:57):
Unless it's a 30 yacht six black tip.
It's gonna go right through.
Gonna go right through.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:03):
I'm a big believer in that.
But uh, I feel like today's showwas was well rounded.
Um, we didn't really talk aboutlike sniper rifles or or you
know long range rifles, butlet's just say I know we don't
have much long, this the show'sabout to end, so I don't want to
go too far on the subject map,but rifles can just fall into a
category of being generalpurpose for different things.

(01:00:24):
Like whether you use a rifle forhunting or target shooting, your
ability to shoot a rifle at anyrange is dependent on your level
of training and the amount oftime that you take to learn your
platform.
And I'm just gonna say that atlonger ranges, you know, your
ability to determine if someoneis a threat is much more hard to
overcome the barrier ofscrutiny.

(01:00:45):
Say you shoot someone 300 yardsaway, well, law enforcement
could argue that, well, did youreally know that they were a
threat?
Or could you get away being 300yards away?
You could get away.
So it becomes a kind of trickyterritory that perhaps if you're
being engaged and shot at fromlonger range and you want a good
bolt gun to be able to, youknow, take out a potential
threat, that's one thing.
But in the confines of today'svideo for life and liberty and

(01:01:08):
for just general purposedefense, that's why I didn't
really discuss the topic toomuch.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:12):
Yeah, I mean, it's not typically something you'd be
using as a life and liberty gun,uh, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:18):
Maybe not so much.
But I do enjoy shootingRemington 700s.
Uh they're great.
I mean, let's not.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:24):
Well, just a quick, quick story time.
Sure.
You are correct on you know,your ability to use that firearm
that relies on how comfortableyou comfortable you are shooting
that firearm.
Um and that that M77, I I and Ireally enjoy shooting it.
Um, pretty competent in shootingit.

(01:01:45):
Yeah, and that last deer that wetook out there at the very end
of the W, I think that was wepaced it off, it was like 150,
like 147, between 147 and 150yards was that shot.
I hit that deer while it was inthe air because it had to jump.
It doesn't like walking on theroad, so it was trying to jump

(01:02:08):
from one side to the other.
Yeah, and I remember I lookedup, and that was like a quick
shot, too.
Because I was I was like this.
I looked up, I saw the littledeer head poking him up, and I
was like, Oh, he's gonna jump.
And he went to jump, and that Ipromise you, dude, it was like
enemy at the gates, man.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:25):
It was freaking mad over here, the Hoochie Men trail
over here, just freakingtracking everything in sight.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:32):
But that's like because I understood, like I'm
very comfortable with that rifleand understanding like the
trajectory of that 220, likeunderstood everything.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:41):
What a great gun! Oh my god.
At one point, I had a lot ofM77s in my collection.
I decided to kind of like scaleback on the amount of calibers I
want to keep in bolt guns.
I had a nice CZ American as wellas an M77 and 762 by 39.
Kind of wish I would have keptthat one, but if I would have
kept it, I would have threadedit and I didn't want to ruin it
because it's such a collectiblegun.

(01:03:02):
So I sold it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:03):
You took a good deal with that one on the last one.
I did.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:04):
I shot a deer with that one, but the only M77 I
have left is my 9.3 by 62 overthere behind you.
Yep.
And uh I love that rifle.
It's great, and it's a dumptruck of a round.
Like you're talking a 260-grainbullet.
I mean, it's heavier than thealt six that we like to use,
those heavy alt sixes, and ithits like an absolute freight
train.
And that gun, I can also shootdeer with it, but then I can

(01:03:27):
also take down a large game.
Yeah, it'll it'll it'll it'llkill a large game, which is
absolutely crazy to me.
Anything that walks on the NorthAmerican continent, that gun can
can can harvest.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:37):
Well, and that's like that goes back to like our
conversation about the 30 outsix round in particular.
Eric and I are very uh intimate.
We have intimate knowledge onthat round because for the
longest time, that's what weused to hunt.
That's all we used to hunt withfor the most part, unless he was
doing content and he had toshoot a specific round or a
specific weapon, but for thelongest time, it was 220 grain,

(01:03:59):
30 yacht six.
It didn't matter if they were 50yards, 100 yards, 150 yards.
That 220 got it done.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:07):
Yeah, for sure.
And there's nothing wrong withthat at all.
Well, uh, I hope that everybodyenjoyed today's show.
That's probably gonna end thingsfor today.
I know we we've danced around alot of different topics today,
and I hope you enjoyed today'sshow.
Really being more gun-centricand just talking about our love
of different gun designs.
And I hope you all learnedsomething.
Um, you know, perhaps you did.
Maybe to some of you this is oldinformation.

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(01:05:09):
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Uh Matt, anything else before wehead on?
No.
Other than the Ho Chi Man Trail.
Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:18):
That was uh we got to get back out there.
That was a good one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:21):
Yeah, for real, we will.
We need to go out and do somehunting soon.
So I think we did we we coveredthings pretty well.
And um, I appreciate everybody.
Thank you all so much for thesupport.
Many more podcasts and videos onthe way, and we'll see you all
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SPEAKER_01 (01:05:33):
Going hunting, everybody.
Bye.

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