LLP Ep130: Armed & Ready, Why You Should Carry Every Day.

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In a world where danger lurks in unexpected places, your personal safety strategy demands more than wishful thinking. This week, Eric and Matt dive deep into the critical importance of everyday carry, sparked by the recent CDC shooting where an assailant had 500 rounds of ammunition and specifically targeted a gun-free zone.

Beyond just having a firearm, we explore the heavy responsibilities that come with carrying. When shots ring out, your first duty is to those immediately in your care—not playing hero for strangers. We candidly discuss the messy reality of multiple armed responders in crisis situations and why "running toward gunfire" requires careful consideration.

The hardware matters too. From the concealable SIG P365 to the reliable Glock 19, we break down practical EDC options that balance capacity, controllability, and concealability. Modern 9mm defensive ammunition has revolutionized personal protection, offering excellent stopping power with manageable recoil—but which specific loads perform best through barriers like automotive glass and heavy clothing?

Perhaps most crucial is what most overlook: medical preparedness. If you're prepared to create wounds, you must be equally prepared to treat them. We explain why tourniquets, gauze, and medical training might save more lives than your firearm ever will. Your fine motor skills deteriorate under stress—have you practiced drawing your weapon after physical exertion?

Whether you're new to carrying or a seasoned veteran, this episode offers practical wisdom for navigating the complex responsibility of being your own first responder. The choice to carry is deeply personal, but for those willing to accept the responsibility, it could mean the difference between life and death when seconds count.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt, and thisis Life, liberty and the
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world of liberty and what makesour country great.
Welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt, herewith LLP, and I hope you've all
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We are back with a hot newepisode coming in here today and

(00:23):
LLP is your home for all thingsnormal in a world gone
completely mad and off the railsand completely void of all
sanity.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
All sanity, and I think there's a lot of people
out there that are just like us.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
You know, maybe that's what worries me.
You know, How's your week beengoing?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Week has been good, man.
I just got back from Missouriwe were out at.
I brought my daughter out toMissouri.
She was at a wrestling campover at Perler Wrestling Nice,
so she spent the week there andI was just there hanging out in
case anything happened.
Yeah, it was great, you know.

(01:04):
Got got some training in, wegot back and now she's back in
school.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I see you got your knee brace on, Did you?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
did you roll yourself ?
Yeah, well, not in thewrestling academy.
So while I'm when I travel, Istill like to drop in and train
jujitsu, and there's a lot ofjujitsu schools around that area
.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
And yeah, I met, met.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I met the mat enforcer at one of the, at one
of the jiu-jitsu academies, andyou know we had a good time and
I got a, got a black eye.
Uh, busted up, lcl.
And it comes with the territory, man, like if you go.
So, guys, if you trainjiu-jitsu and you go into a
jiu-jitsu academy and you dropin, which is a normal thing,
just understand that you have atarget on your back, like

(01:48):
regardless of if you go in thereto train hard or roll hard or
whatnot, they take that, as youknow, you're a bait dog.
They want to see how they wantto see what you're made, yeah
they want to see how good theirjiu-jitsu is compared to your j,
your jujitsu, because when youtrain with the same people every
day, everybody kind of knowsthe style of what someone's

(02:09):
going to do you learn someone'shabits?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
yeah, and you kind of understand how to combat that.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
But when someone new comes in, it's a completely and
it's fun.
It's fun for me it is achallenge because you're.
There's different styles ofjujitsu, like top players,
bottom players, bottom players,guard players, wrestlers.
We should do a whole episodeabout jujitsu.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, man, Eventually .
Oh my God, I've always beencurious to learn about it and I
do want to come up there andspar with you guys.
But you know, all this powerlifting I'm doing, I mean, yeah,
I'm strong, but I worry thatI'm going to hurt myself and
it's going to set my powerlifting back.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
You will probably need to work a little bit on
your flexibility.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yes, that is absolutely one of my.
Problems is my flexibility, I doneed to do more calisthenics
and just really try to limber upmore.
We'll talk about that more intime, but I do want to get back
to that at some point.
We should talk about jujitsu ata more holistic level.
Yeah, man.
So today's episode we're goingto be talking about why it's

(03:04):
important to carry a gun daily.
Now, you would think that thisis a very simple topic.
That is just, you know, driven,uh, the dead horses driven all
into the ground left and right.
But it's crazy in light ofrecent events.
You know, there has been someshootings lately and there's
been, you know, lots of violencearound and things like that,
and sometimes it forces one toreassess you know, what exactly

(03:29):
is my defensive posture ineveryday life.
What does that mean to me?
You know, how can I be ready,how can I be capable, how can I
make sure that throughout myeveryday life, that I'm not a
liability to someone else andI'm not a liability to my family
and, most importantly, you know, to protect your wife, your
kids, the people around you, um,and ultimately go on.
And then you know, danger iseverywhere, evil is everywhere

(03:52):
and we have to be ready.
So we're going to talk aboutthat and we're going to go into
probably a little bit of detailon constitutional carry and
reciprocity and things like thatTraveling with guns, which
we've talked a little bit aboutthat in previous episodes.
But this is going to be prettymuch all about carry, what we
carry, what ammo we use.
We're going to go into a ton ofdetail about how we carry guns

(04:14):
and what defensive posture meansto us, and also we're going to
talk today about some guns wekeep in our car road guns which
we have touched on in the past.
But my loadout is always kind ofchanging and I want to talk a
little bit about medical as well, because I think it's important
to make sure you've gotadequate medical.
If you're prepared to put ahole in another person, you need

(04:35):
to be prepared to patch a holeas well, and chances are in
everyday life if there is sometragedy or shooting or whatever.
It could even be a freakaccident.
You're going to be probablymuch more have a much more
higher chance of needing topatch somebody up than you will
be to actually hurt someone, andI know that's not the cool

(04:57):
answer everybody wants to hearall the time because everyone
always pictures themselves youknow, john wicking it out or
whatever, and I get that, Isuppose.
But really, the boring realityis that responding to a medical
emergency is probably going tobe a much greater possibility
than having to put a hole insomeone.
I'm just telling you the truth.

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Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yes, so I know you touched on a couple of things
that we want to go over with theshow.
Um, and I I mean the main partof you, the show or the title,
like why you should carry a gundaily or a firearm, is just, you
know, for me is that you don'twant to delegate that safety or

(07:13):
that task to somebody else.
And you know, we're here inAtlanta, georgia, and there was
a shooting at the CDC, maybeyesterday or the day before at
the CDC, maybe yesterday or theday before.
And to think that you can wellone, I am absolutely positive
that the CDC building doesn'tallow you to carry firearms.

(07:33):
Funny how that works, that whenpeople do decide to target
buildings, they target buildingswhere they know that people
won't be carrying firearms.
And I think the only, the only,I would say, victim was a
police officer, unfortunately,that was responding to help.
Now, this guy had 500 rounds ofammunition and he was shooting

(07:59):
out all types of windows.
And imagine if just three orfour people in the area had
concealed carry weapons and theywere able to utilize those
weapons and he ended up walkinginto a CVS and offing himself
like a coward.
But you know, I'm almostpositive that if somebody, or

(08:20):
multiple people, would have hadthe means to defend themselves,
then that absolutely probablywouldn't have made it that far.
But what are some of the thingsthat you know, some of the
issues that and the things thatpop into my head when you run
into that scenario.
So let's say you're in an areaand you know somebody starts
shooting, your first instinctdepends on who's with you, like

(08:42):
I'm usually with my daughter.
So I have to, first andforemost, think of her.
What am I going to do?
I can't just run off and beJohnny Hero over here and leave
an eight-year-old girl standingby herself to fend for herself
and try to fight.
No, my first responsibility isto get her to safety and you
have to do that.
You would obviously do that byprotecting her with the firearm.

(09:05):
You're going to pull the weaponIf that person is in front of
you or in your vicinity.
Yeah, you can engage the target.
But here's what nobody evertalks about what happens when
multiple people pull firearms?
Now, who is the active shooteror the shooter at that point?
Nobody knows.
This isn't like a battlefieldwhere we all have uniforms and

(09:27):
we can look at you and say, oh,that's the bad guy To everybody
else.
If you're in a food, let's justsay, for example, you're in a
food court or you're in a CVSpharmacy and you have three
dudes that have firearms and weall pull our firearms because we
hear shooting.
And we come around that cornerand you see old buddy with the
handgun.
You're like I don't know ifyou're the guy or if you're

(09:48):
someone that's going to shootthe guy yeah now we have three
random people all with firearmstrying to engage who knows who,
like you don't know.
And then now you have the policecoming in and the police are
like oh, we got three guys.
It's like that spider-Man memewhere everybody's kind of like
pointing at each other Like hey.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
How do you know the bad guy is not going to try to
go?
It was him, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Or the police look at you like you're the bad guy,
because they don't know they'rerolling up on a hot scene Like
they just know adrenaline'spumping, people are getting,
like guns are shooting.
So these are all things thatyou have to consider when you
decide to do that.
So I don't know, maybe it'sbecause it just recently
happened, so it was fresh in mybrain and I was just.

(10:31):
I was even listening to it onthe radio, like on the way here.
I was like, oh man, that's,that's so crazy that you know
this is what we're going to talkabout.
And then, like, all this stuffhappens, so those are
considerations.
Happens, so those areconsiderations.
When you're carrying, is yourresponsibility to get yourself
back to your family?
I always wondered when peoplesay, oh, I would go in and get

(10:55):
into an extended firefight totry to find this person and
fight this person and save otherpeople.
Would?

Speaker 1 (11:00):
you yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Would you, though?
I'll be straight up with you myresponsibility is to my family.
I'm not running into a buildingto save someone that, like I
don't know, I could get shotmyself by someone that's trying
to save their family.
Imagine me coming around acorner and I run into an exact
copy of myself with my eightyear old daughter and I see you

(11:22):
running into a building with afirearm.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm probably, I'm probably going to shoot you, and
you better believe that thosepolice want to go home to their
families.
Absolutely, and they deal withall kinds of crazy things every
day.
So they're already going to beon edge because their job every
day requires them to deal withthe sort of lowest common
denominator of society.
I mean as much as it sort ofpains me to say this, because I
know people know my views onsome things regarding law

(11:49):
enforcement.
But the truth is we choosethese people, we delegate these
people to deal with the bullcrapof society that we don't want
to deal with.
So it's you either have to beresponsible for everything all
on your own and just let societyself-regulate like Wild West
style, or you have to say OK,here's the person we delegate to

(12:10):
handle this task.
Ok, sometimes they don't get itright, sometimes they make
mistakes, sometimes the wrongperson gets shot, sometimes
someone gets shot when they'renot supposed to.
But the reality is you're notthe one that has to make that
decision, is?
You're not the one that has tomake that decision?
So are you going to defer thatto someone else and take it off
your plate so that you can goabout society and not have to
worry about it?
Okay, a mass shooter shows up.

(12:32):
You simply call someone to comedeal with it and go about your
day and hide and get away andlive, to fight another day and
simply pawn that situation offto another person.
Now, okay, are there peoplethat are designated for that?
Well, soldiers are designatedto fight wars.
They go and they do things.
Police are designated to go andhandle those sorts of

(12:53):
situations so that societydoesn't have to, and I think we
view that as a way of societybeing civilized.
We view it as a form ofcivilization when we have
designated people to deal withproblems.
Firefighters put out fires,soldiers fight wars, et cetera,
et cetera.
Or pick up garbage Correct, yeah, the garbage man picks up the

(13:15):
garbage.
Hey, someone has to do it.
So everyone's got a job,everyone contributes something
to society.
And I think the way that welook at a civilized society is
that those are inconveniences,like when we get pulled over and
get a speeding ticket, orsomething which happened to me
the other day.
I haven't gotten a speedingticket in like almost 10 years
and this young buck, g G GSPofficer uh pulls me over and uh

(13:39):
I, his guy is still wet behindthe ears.
I mean, he could not be a dayover 22 or 23,.
Real young guy, and you knowwe're just shooting the breeze.
It's cool, like you know he.
He said well I had to peelaround in the in the middle lane
to come get you, and and hesaid I saw you from the other
side of the road.
I wasn't going to arguesemantics.
I mean, I knew I was drivingfast.

(14:01):
I didn't think I was driving asfast as he said I was.
Anyway, the point is we areinconvenienced by these things
and we think, well, oh God, wegot pulled over for speeding.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
You think?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
well, why should I have to pay society money or pay
the government money for mespeeding?
Well, the truth is, you know,is there a victim there?
No, could there be a victim?
Maybe, but we're talking a verydifferent sort of environment
than an active shooter situationor a situation where we're

(14:33):
talking it's come to blows, youknow someone's going to get shot
, right.
Okay, to backtrack to what youwere talking about.
Okay, if you were presentedwith a situation where you were,
you know, in an environment anda shooting takes place, and you
know, john Lovell and I it'sfunny, lovell and I, we have a
little bit somewhat of a varyingview on how to handle these

(14:55):
sorts of things you know, he's a, he's a SEAL, or was a SEAL.
So or he was a Ranger, so youknow Rangers and SEALs, all
those sorts of folks you knowthey have a different mindset
when it comes to seek anddestroy.
I mean, they're very welltrained to kind of go do that.
That's what they do.
They're the dogs of war we sendthem in and they do things you

(15:16):
know just right.
But my view has always beenkind of similar to yours, where,
okay, if I'm in line at a7-Eleven and I've got my ADC on
me and the guy in front of mepulls a gun and tries to rob the
clerk, I'm going to shoot thatguy right back.
I literally don't care Like Iwill If.
If it comes to that, like if Ihave the strategic advantage,

(15:37):
like he's not paying attentionand he just he just picked the
wrong time to screw up.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yep, I'm totally just gonna shoot.
Well, I'm not even gonna thinkabout it.
Tunnel vision like right, youcould be right there and he's
not even paying attention.
He's tunnel visioned right onwhat his goal is right, you know
.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
So, like in that type of situation, would I shoot him
?
Probably so if I'm alone, maybemy family or whoever, whoever
I'm with if they're out in thecar okay, I'll take that, bet
you wouldn't just shoot him inthe leg, eric, no, just you know
I'll, I'll take that not justshoot him in the leg.
I'll take that bet I'll takethat bet there's.
Look, there's no such thing asa fair fight absolutely and I

(16:13):
think that that's somethingthat's very important to get
into your mind.
There there is no chivalry, herethere is no logic.
You can't think, oh well, Iwould just shoot him in the leg
and wound him, or I'll hold himup or, you know, tell him to
freeze.
That crap only works in themovies, like when someone's got
it in their mind that they'rehell bent on violence.
They're not.
You cannot reason with thatperson, especially if they're

(16:36):
actively in a shootingenvironment.
Now, if they're shooting goingon you hear it going on, like in
the situation you're talkingabout, uh, let's say, it's that
government building and there's,you know, it's already a
gun-free zone, right?
The?
last thing you're going to do isarm up and go investigate.
If you're hearing shots from adistance, yeah, no, I think
that's a good way to get killedyourself, because I mean and

(16:58):
again, this is where level and I, we, we part ways.
Right, I'm not saying I'm to golook, it's not about being
afraid or incapable of going tosee, but it's about, like you
know, do you really want to, youknow, confuse the situation If
the police are on the way, thenthey show up, like, how do you

(17:18):
keep yourself from gettinghemmed up in that situation?
Right, can you deal with thesituation before the police show
up?
Should you deal with thesituation before the police show
up?
So see, there's all thesethings that come into play.
So it's not about being afraidof running towards violence.
Hell, no, we're not scared ofrunning towards violence.
I'll run towards gunfire.
That's fine.
But it's going to be a veryspecific circumstance that will

(17:43):
merit me to do that and againgoing back to a fair fight.
there is no such thing as a fairfight If you get shot in the
back.
If you get shot and you're notpaying attention, guess what it
happens.
These situations are filledwith great degrees of

(18:04):
uncertainty.
When you look at especially Iknow some of you have seen
footage helmet, cam footage fromUkraine and these guys,
russians, ukrainians both alikerunning through these trench
systems, imagine how terrifyingit is to turn a corner and
there's a damn son of a bitchyou know it's like.

(18:25):
Does it matter if his back isturned?
does it matter if he's turned tothe side?
Does it matter if he says no,stop.
In that moment, do you reallywant to trust that person's
judgment versus yours?
There's no such thing as a fairfight in that moment.
And there is footage of, yeah,guys trying to surrender, but in

(18:49):
the heat of the moment.
And it's crazy because, lookingat stories from World War II,
this is kind of jumping around alittle bit.
But it's crazy how, in WorldWar II, the Australians they
were notorious for not takingprisoners.
They, out of all the militariesinvolved in that war, the

(19:11):
australians were.
They shot first and askedquestions later and they got
reprimanded quite a bit becauseyou know they would be.
They were really bad about theygetting an engagement.
No one one's going to live Ifthey win.
You know that the other peopleare out of here.
Yeah, they did, they did nottake prisoners.

(19:32):
Now they called a lot of flackand I think they improved their
tactics a bit, but they werenotorious for being very violent
and very direct and they fightto win and sometimes when you
fight to win, very, very badthings must happen.
And you know what?

(19:52):
There are no such things as afair fight and you know, I think
that that's what people have tokeep in the back of their minds
when it comes to this EDC stuff.
If you are going to carry a gunon the regular and trust that
gun to protect yourself, youalso have to be in the mindset
of survival.
Just having a gun on your hipis not going to make you

(20:13):
invincible.
It may give you a sense ofsecurity, it may make you feel
better, but do you really havewhat it takes to pull that gun
in the moment and use it andyour muscle memory not fall to
crap?
I mean, what if the gun has asafety?
Have you practiced actuallydrawing your gun, taking the
safety off, the fine motorskills required in the heat of
that moment to actually use thegun?

(20:33):
Have you tried just ripping itout, doing a whole bunch of
cardio, doing pushups until yourarms can't even move anymore,
and then try to do it?
Are your heart rate is humming,run a mile on the treadmill.
Then try it.
Most people won't.
It's not easy.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Your fine motor skills go to crap, your judgment
goes to crap, you get tunnelvision.
You experience your body gointo a very defensive posture
that will shut down some areasto kind of pull those resources
towards making you live andsurvive and that adrenaline you

(21:12):
know.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
It's very hard to shoot with your heart rate
pumping because that gun likewobbles every time your heart
beats.
You see that muzzle flip andyou're not.
It's almost like you're gettinglike a minute amount of recoil
and you haven't even pulled thetrigger yet you'll start that
gun barrel will start wobblingup and down.
Um, so a couple of things Iknow.
Um, you know, obviously, likeyou've had level on your channel

(21:36):
and like I've talked with level, um, oh yeah, I'd like to
believe he's a, he's a superfamily guy.
He's all about family.
I have to believe that he wouldunderstand the difference
between a kinetic environmentand a CCW, non-kinetic
environment.
I don't believe that he wouldchase somebody into a clearer

(22:03):
place clearer place like aactive shooter.
I've honestly think that hewould feel more responsibility
on like seeing his family, likemaking sure that he gets to his
family?
yeah, of course um you know, andI think you you brought up a
good point he's a very capableguy?
oh, absolutely, there's no doubtabout it.
I I think you brought up a verygood point about delegation of

(22:27):
duty and people that carry.
So when you're carrying thefirearm, it will give you a
little bit more sense ofsecurity and me personally, it
actually calms me down because Inow have a responsibility.
Like hey, I can't go, I can'tget mad at the car for cutting
me off, we don't know where thisis going to go.

(22:49):
Like, we can only escalate thisas far as the person is willing
to escalate it, to what happensif this person gets out of the
car and starts banging on mywindow and I'm stuck in traffic.
You didn't put me in a badposition.
I put me in a bad positionwhich is going to make me do

(23:09):
something I probably don't wantto do.
But going back to say, forexample, the active shooting
environment, most people have tounderstand that your duty and
your responsibility at thatpoint is, if that threat is in
front of you, like you said, ifyou're in the store and that
person is in front of you, yeah,you probably do have a duty to

(23:33):
do something about that.
But outside of that, if youhave the opportunity to break
contact, get back to your family.
Take your family with you.
That is your responsibility,because I delegated my safety to
myself and my family when Icarry.
That is my.
I'm delegating, I'm taking uponthat responsibility myself.

(23:53):
You, joe schmo, decided not todo that.
You and you did not delegate meto protect you, so that's not
my responsibility I mean, I alsofeel like it's not a cashier's
fault.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
I mean a bank teller is not carrying a gun.
A cashier is not going to carrya gun.
I mean if someone's got thedrop on you, even if you are
carrying, if you are a cashierwho's carrying a gun, if someone
gets a drop on you, yourability to deploy that gun in a
useful manner is probably goingto be quite limited anyway.
So deploy that gun in a usefulmanner is probably going to be
quite limited anyway.
So I don't necessarily hold itagainst like an establishment or

(24:27):
something, no, no, not anestablishment, and I think it
also, it really just comes downto situation.
You know it's all case by casescenario of different situations
that might happen.
So let's backtrack a little bitand talk a little bit about our
actual EDCs and the way we lookat that and we don't have to
spend a lot of time talkingabout this cause I know everyone
um, you know they, they make abig deal about it.

(24:48):
I'm a SIG P365 kind of guy.
I mean look.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
I thought you were going to say like three.
I'm like oh man, we just talkedabout this.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I love the 365 and um , and you know I know SIG's been
, you know everybody's talkingabout SIG and some of the issues
and stuff.
But look, my 365 is a fantasticpistol.
I love it.
I like the capacity, I like thesize, I like the trigger.
I have the 365 XL, I know what,the macro and the X.

(25:17):
There's been some other modelsthat have come out.
The most recent one I everbought was the XL.
I love it.
It's fantastic.
It is truly a great pistol.
It's got generous capacity.
I think the rounds are 15 roundmags, so you're talking a gun
that's way smaller than a Glock19, but still has similar

(25:37):
capacity, if not the samecapacity as a 19.
So it's got that going for it.
It's nice slim, it's got a goodtrigger.
It disappears on the body.
Now I will add sort of a anamendment there and say that I
am a big fan of the glock 19 aswell.
And, uh, I do carry a glock 19,sometimes mainly in the winter,
like, if I know, if I'm ajacket over the top I may pop a

(25:58):
glock 19, but but you know, um,carrying appendix with a 365, it
disappears.
Oh yeah, so a 19, 365, thoseare really great options.
Again, I've kind of gone reallyfar back to 9mm.
For a while I was carrying 45ACP, which, don't get me wrong,

(26:20):
I like 45 ACP.
I think it's got a lot ofredeeming qualities.
Basically, it's a giant bowlingball of death which is great,
but I like the extra capacity ofthe 9mm.
The modern defensiveenvironment has changed in such
a way that the follow-up shotsmight be very necessary and the
capacity of the firearm Having afew more rounds in the mag

(26:41):
could be a necessary thing.
Like you said, there could bemultiple shooters, there could
be multiple assailants, so on,and so forth.
I like the ability of fastfollow-up shots that I can
control easily in a moment of,let's just say, stress and
reduced muscle memory andfatigue and just the crazy
adrenaline rush of being in agunfight.

(27:01):
Um, you know, I think havingsomething doesn't kick super
hard you could follow up easywith, or let's say, you're
you're wounded or hurt or youhave to, maybe you got to hold
your daughter back and you haveto use one hand.
You know a gun you can shoot.
One handed, I think isimportant.
So that's why I do like a ninemillimeter, because it just

(27:23):
purrs like a kitten.
It's so easy to shoot and withthe modern loads that are out
there now, 9mm is a pretty goodcontender, especially out of a
decent length barrel.
I mean, if you have a, you know, a 124 plus P moving out of a 6
inch 17L, you're talking somegood velocity, good power.
You know there's some goodbullet designs out there, great

(27:46):
powder choices that really, youknow, kick these 9mm loads up
into the upper echelon ofperformance for what you get out
of a 9.
Cheap to train with, so on andso forth, plenty of holster
options.
So I tend to kind of always goback to 9mm.
I did a video on the 30 supercarry last year the little uh

(28:07):
shield and 30 super carry.
I like a 30 super carry, butagain I always go back to nine.
And then I still have a shieldplus uh, which is the double
stack version of the shield, andit holds, I think, 12 shots or
something.
So I like that gun quite wellas well, but I always kind of go
back to the sig p365 I did avideo on the ruger.

(28:29):
Uh, the ruger max 9.
Now that's a very affordablepistol.
I think those things cost like280 bucks or something under 300
.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
That's crazy and I tell you territory that gun
actually shot pretty good.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I was really impressed with that gun for the
money.
When talking about my EDC, yes,I carry a SIG but you don't
have to spend Zig money to get apretty decent carry pistol.
I mean, I think that Ruger Max9, you know a great gun.
And that Shield Plus great gun.
If somebody didn't want to dropa lot of money and they wanted

(29:04):
to buy a Micro 9, kind of like,in the same vein of the 365, I
would totally look at the ShieldPlus as a fantastic option.
Or that Ruger.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
It's interesting you mentioned the Shield Plus.
I used to carry a Shield 2, andone of the major issues that I
had was it's a great gun.
I loved it Very ergonomic, fitthe hand.
It had the pinky grip, theextension for the mag, so you
could actually fit your pinkyonto the grip.

(29:37):
Without that, your pinky kindof did that little teacup where
it's kind of like hanging offthe end there.
But the capacity was really low.
It was like seven rounds on thecapacity, which to some might
not be an issue.
When I carried it it wasn't anissue because I carried an extra
mag with me.
I used a uh, uh, you knowappendix holster that carried an

(29:59):
additional mag.
So 14 rounds really, it's sevenplus one um nine millimeter.
I'm a fan.
I think technology and, youknow, metallurgy has come a long
way, that you can get a lot ofa lot of kick out of a nine mil
and a lot of a lot of punchingpower, um.
But the biggest issue for mewas like the shield wasn't very

(30:25):
comfortable to shoot I agree, itwas just the single stack.
Yes, man it was just a very likeit gets honestly.
It gets the job done.
You point point, you shoot putsholes in things.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
They're a handful.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, but they are just man, it's like trying to
hold on to a freaking honeybadger.
Man, like it's like.
I know people are like oh, it'sonly a 9mm, but like it, just
the ergonomics of it, the way itwas, super snappy, like it
popped up.
Yeah Easy to hide yeah, I mean,trust me, I carried one for a

(30:57):
long time.
I I was wearing, you know, atailored, a tailored shirt,
tailored slacks, tie tucked in,couldn't tell, and I carried
appendix on a belly band.
So I was wearing a, basically asuit with no, without a blazer,
couldn't even tell I wascarrying like it's a very, very
easy gun to conceal, and evendeep conceal.
You wouldn't even have to go tothe what do they call the
bodyguard, you didn't even haveto take it one step further and

(31:19):
go to the bodyguard.
You, that's a tiny gun, that'sa, that's a real tiny gun yeah
but the shield too was wasdefinitely, uh, unpleasant to
shoot.
So, um, I found moving up, uh,to the, I guess, compact, to
like the Zev, I was gifted a.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Zev.
Oh yeah, yeah, that Zev is niceman.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
But the ergonomics, the weight of it makes it so
much more pleasant, like you canactually get out there and you
know it's got more mass.
It isn't quite as easy toconceal, let's be honest.
It's like anybody.
That's like carrying a Glock 19or any kind of compact you'll
see them they're, or any kind ofcompact that you'll see them
they're like.
Oh yeah, you can conceal it.

(31:58):
You can, but you still have tobe mindful of how you dress.
Like you're not gonna.
I would never be able to wearlike a tailored button-down
shirt and all that you would.
You would see it, have you seen?

Speaker 1 (32:08):
those little pole, um those little pole oh yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's one of my19s, so this is a Davidson's
exclusive 19, the Nibix coating,and then that's got some TruGlo
night sights on there.
Well the front sight is aTruGlo, and then that rear, is
that Leupold.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, that's neat man .

Speaker 1 (32:29):
And that's got a Viridian laser on it.
I mean that gun it's nice, Ilike it that's nice man, I've
got several 19s.
I've got a black one, uh,that's a gen 5.
I've got that's a gen 3, uh,nibix one, which that's my
favorite 19, I like the grip.
It's kind of a dog.
Yeah, that's handle it grips,uh, they do the you know good
plug for them actually yeah showthat on there.

(32:51):
Show that on there.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, those feel good man that's handle it so yeah,
you order those from handle itand you can, oh the laser's on
yeah it's got a Viridian on it,but I love that gun and yeah,
it's a light laser combo.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, I love that pistol.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
So I mean, when you step up, that's a guy's gun,
Very similar.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
You have to have a holster that can handle the
light.
So then you're getting a littlemore bulk.
So that's the trade-off, yep.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
So when you step up in size, you step up in mass.
It makes it more pleasant toshoot, much more controllable.
Personally, if somebody saidand I always kind of cringe just
a little bit on the inside whenI hear people say I'm going to
start carrying, I'm going tocarry like the smallest gun gun,
I'm like that's not always thebest option because it's very
uncomfortable to shoot uh, ifyou can, if you can get away

(33:39):
with it, you probably want tostep up to a compact um now.
And the other issue is you seea lot of people put the crazy
ninja stuff on there like I'mguilty, the zev, mag flares,
like uh, suppressor height sides, fiber op, like it's got all
this stuff.
But but all that stuff it'sgoing to print Mag flare prints.
You can see it when you turn acertain way.
You might not see the actualprint of the entire firearm, but

(34:03):
you see a little somethingthere.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Let me tell you something funny One of the guys
that I used to work with at Moss.
He took a Glock 17.
I kid you not, he took a Glock17.
I kid you not, he took a Glock17 and he did a grip reduction
down to a 26 size frame.
Oh my God, it was the mostweird thing ever.
But I'll tell you what you?

(34:28):
know.
So the.
So the Glock 26 has that littleplus plus two or plus three or
whatever it is on the bottom.
I got to figure out where myGlock 26 is.
I've misplaced it.
I might have sold my Glock 26,which if I did I'm going to feel
terrible because that was areally great carry gun.
Well, our first carry guns wasa Glock 26.
My first real carry gun was aGlock 26.
Anyway, he took it and cut itdown and he would put the little
plus two on there and it waslike all right, it's like all

(34:52):
right, the size of that 19 frame, okay, with no mag in it, all
right, there's nothing comingout of the bottom, that was the
vibe of it, but with the mag,yeah.
So you know, if you were to puta flat base mag, in it you'd
have a little tiny liketwo-finger grip with a big old
17 slide on it.
It was the most random thing,but I tell you what it good and

(35:14):
it and he was able to to shootit.
Well, and it actually printedand didn't print like, yeah,
that's all that matters, like ifit works for you I've rarely
seen somebody take a 17 and do agrip reduction like and try to
cut it down to 26, so it's likereally long with the short grip
a mullet gun.
Yeah, yeah I mean, but like the19X, you know this gun.

(35:35):
So the thing about the 19X is,this is kind of the opposite
sort of direction.
This is a 19 slide with a 17frame, so you get the full size
frame.
You know, and look, I will tellyou, with this debacle going on
with Sig and all of these gunsand stuff, listen, I'm not going

(35:55):
to throw the baby out with thebathwater.
All right, I love you Sig, Ilove you Glock.
Listen, I love Sigs and I loveGlocks, and I'm not trying to
choose a favorite here, but Iwill turn this car right around.
Okay, listen, the truth is thisis the gun that the military
should have went with.
Listen, the truth is this isthe gun that the military should
have went with.

(36:16):
Yep, I hate to sorry Sig, Ihate to say it Now.
Look, that belt fed that.
Sig made that.
What?
277 Fury or whatever that thingis a badass freaking piece of
hardware.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I don't see Glock with no belt fed machine gun
okay, so look yeah.
Sig can make belt feds thatrifle.
They did.
It's great, you, okay.
So look, yeah, sig can makebelt feds that rifle they did.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
You know, sure, I got no problem.
I even love the SIG M17.
It's a great gun.
I got one right here, and whatdo you see on my battle belt?
Not a Glock, is it?
It's a SIG.
I love this gun.
This is the gun that we shouldhave went with 100% Anything
with the safety, and I think itwas a matter of price.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I think Sig beat them out on pricing I think it was a
matter of price as well ashaving an external safety.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
They needed.
Clock's never really been aboutexternal safety.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
They didn't have the external safety on it and they
were like well, sig has one andI'm sure I'm 100% positive there
was some shenanigans going onwith that hold.
But we're about to find out.
Yeah, we're about to find out,yep, because what was the latest
information said that they puta whole bunch of Glock orders on
hold so they could fulfill somemilitary stuff, but see, so

(37:35):
that's a 17 size frame and the19 slide, so you can see the
difference.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
You can compare those pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
It's the exact opposite of what your buddy did.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
But I love that gun and it shoots so freaking good.
I'll be the first to admit I'mnot the biggest fan of glock
triggers.
I'm not the biggest fan ofglock in terms of the ergonomics
, the features, the way itshoots like it's a.
It's a staple gun to me like,when you grab your staple gun,

(38:07):
you got to drive a staple.
You just, you know, like that'swhat it is to me, like it's,
it's a tool.
It's like going to home depotand buying a staple gun.
Like it just it's a tool, yep,but it's very effective.
You know you, you don't useyour staple gun and think, oh,
the trigger is hard, it's hardto squeeze it, hard to press it.
No, it's a staple gun.

(38:29):
You know you're driving staples.
That's a staple gun, like it'sa tool.
It's a tool that shoots bulletsand it's very reliable.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
That's the thing and that's why people are okay with
it, because when you go out andyou buy a Glock, you understand
that you're buying a Glock.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
It's a very utilitarian gun.
You're buying a Glock.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
But when you're buying a Sig or an HK, you're
expecting a different levelbecause of the price point.
That's like, hey, I can go andbuy a Ferrari and I know that
when I sit in that car and Idrive it, there's a certain
expectation that the car isgoing to perform.
Whether I'm a crappy driver,whether I'm a professional
driver, the expectation is there.
The expectation is I'm going tobe the guy going around Le Mans

(39:12):
in a Ferrari.
All right, because it's aFerrari.
Same thing with guns you buy asuper high like a staccato, you
buy a staccato.
What is their tagline?
The gun shoots itself.
Now, like that's literally whatthey tell you.
The gun shoots itself.
Yeah, imagine the expectationyou have, when you pull that
staccato out and take it to therange.
And what?

Speaker 1 (39:31):
if you haven't worked on your fundamentals and you're
a really crappy shot but to therange.
And what if you haven't workedon your fundamentals and you're
a really crappy shot, but Iguarantee you, even if you are a
crummy shooter, you are gonnabe a better shooter with
staccato.
I mean it's a staccato, it is agood claim, like those guns are
absolute bullet deliverydevices.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Huge shout outs to staccato you're gonna shoot low
and left consistently you knowjust the way it is like you
might shoot low and left, butyou, you'll do it every time I
have a Staccato CS.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I tell you I'm a surgeon with that freaking gun.
I am a surgeon with that gunand I've actually been talking
to Staccato about trying to getsome more guns out to do some
work with, and John and SirMichael had brought down their
war chest with all their random.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Staccatos.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
And I got to try out quite a few on the range and, uh
, I tell you they really arefantastic pistols.
They're expensive, but you doget what you pay for.
I digress, uh, we'll talk aboutammo for a minute what are you?
Carrying in that uh critical dso okay, what weight do you know
?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
um, no, I just whatever is the nine mil
critical D?
Um, actually, no, that's what Iused to carry.
Now I'm carrying spear gold dot, gold, dot.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yes.
So I want to talk a little bitabout carry ammo for a minute,
since you know, this video, thispodcast is sort of uh,
surrounding by EDC and carryinga gun daily, um, and, and we're
going to talk about this moreabout kind of in the vein of 9mm
, and we'll just kind of bebrief here.
But I want to kind of cover itbecause I don't think it's
something I've ever reallytalked about in other videos or

(41:02):
other podcasts or content is whyI choose the rounds that I do.
I think a lot of people willhear someone talk about their
favorite carry round and they'llgo oh well, you're a content
creator, so this company must bepaying you to carry their round
or something.
No, it's.
I promise it's not thatintricate y'all.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Bernicke would be paying you a lot of money if
that were the case.
Everyone thinks that Bernickeyes.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Everybody.
Everybody thinks that Bernickepays me a ton of money to use
their slugs all the time in thevideos, but the truth is I just
love them.
You know those slugs were notvery well known like some years
back and I always felt kind ofcool having them.
You know what I mean, becauseevery time I'd break them out,
somebody like oh, there's a bearon the box.

(41:45):
What the hell like if there's abear on the box now that must be
one substantial shotgun slug.
Yep, that's a lot of claimright there, but I promise there
is no deep underlying meaning.
Y'all, it's just that I lovebernieke, shotgun slugs and, um.
So a good friend of mine I'lltell a quick story a good friend
of mine, uh, who I value hisinput so much when it comes to

(42:07):
ammo, a good friend of minenamed mike cyrus came down and
uh, at the time now I thinkwilson combat bought the uh,
lehigh brand.
You know lehigh ammunition.
Yes, I think wil Combat boughtthe Lehigh brand.
You know Lehigh Ammunition.
Yes, I think Wilson Combat ownsLehigh now, or there's some
partnership there.
I digress not to go down thatrabbit hole, but at the time
Lehigh was still a fairly newcompany and trying to, you know,

(42:27):
get out there and get theirstuff out there.
And here comes pulling up at thefarm, here comes Mike Cyrus and
he's got these big old guy.
He is absolute ballisticaficionado.
This guy loves to hand, loadand play around and really push
the limits on what he does withsome of the loads and things and

(42:48):
experimenting with differentbullet designs.
So he was kind of the chiefballistician, if you will over
at Lehigh and, uh, he broughtdown these uh big old coolers
full of giant ballistics gelblocks that he made and we had
this huge day planned.
I mean, we, we were shootingballistics gel through
automotive glass, clothing,drywall, all sorts of different

(43:12):
scenarios that we could testthese Lehigh projectiles.
Well, during the test it'scrazy, even he'll tell you today
that this is what we came upwith right During the test we
tried a Hornady critical duty,because in the testing of the
Lehigh projectiles we wanted tobe fair.
So we showed a federal HST, weshowed a gold dot, we showed a

(43:37):
critical, critical duty, orcritical defense.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
There's critical, there's both.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
There's critical duty , right, I think it was a
critical duty Okay, and it wasin the automotive glass test
Okay, and in the automotiveglass test with the ballistics
gel, the round that performedthe best was Critical Duty.
It performed better than theLehigh.

(44:00):
Wow, that's surprising.
So well, right.
But I think it's so neat thatthat was the first time I've
worked with an ammo company thatMike looks right in the camera
and he's like, hey, man, thatCritical Duty is one heck of a
bullet.
I think it goes to speakvolumes about a company's
character and a company's ethoswhen they say, hey, company A, B

(44:22):
, C, whoever, they make a greatproduct.
You know, hey, this is ourproduct.
Have a look Like.
We want to show you our stuffand here's some scenarios where
it probably beats thecompetition, but hey, we're not
afraid to show you a scenariowhere we lose, when probably
beats the competition, but hey,we're not afraid to show you a
scenario where we lose where welose and uh, and I think that
speaks volumes for a company'suh integrity.
It does.
And uh, I, to this day, I, Ilove Lehigh ammunition just for

(44:44):
that reason and plus cause, mikeis an absolute hoot to hang out
with and we had a great time,and I think John Patton came
down, brought some slow-mocameras and we had a heck of a
time.
It was a fun day filming.
But I digress the point is whatI wanted to get to on my carry
load is that the reason I carrywhat I carry is because I have
tested.
Trust me y'all, I have testedthese bullets a lot, I believe

(45:09):
it.
I've shot them in wool, coats,automotive glass, drywall, wood
you know all sorts of things.
You name it.
I've tested it.
I've built walls to code andshot through walls.
So trust me when I say thatcritical duty is by far the best

(45:30):
carry load In my opinion.
If you think you might beshooting through structures or
or, or cover or or something youknow there might be heavy
clothing involved um, thatcritical duty is a fantastic
bullet.
Yep, so it really is.
They are definitely very goodbullet design barrier blind, as

(45:51):
they say.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Like it's design and that.
Let me just and I like HST too.
Hst is good.
Yes, so I was carrying criticalD, but that was critical
defense, right, so Critical dutyis definitely just made to
punch holes and stuff.
Yeah, defense has a hollowpoint and it's plugged.

(46:13):
So they have that rubber likeplugging inside of the front so
it doesn't get fouled up withclothing or anything.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
That is absolutely the issue.
So Federal, knowing that theyreleased a bullet called, I
think, the Guard Dog, is whatthey called it or Guardian I
forget what exactly the name ofit was, I think it was Guard Dog
and that's the one that has theencapsulated projectile.
So the projectiles actuallylook like a solid and when it

(46:41):
hits it sort of smashes thesepetals out and opens up and
expands, but there's nothing toclog.
So it expands sort of like theway a hollow point would, but
without having a cavity that canclog up.
So you know, to be fair, whenwe have this competition that
goes on between companies, thewinner is the consumer, because

(47:03):
the consumer is going to get thebest dang bullet that engineers
can design and build becausethey want your business, they
want to make the best and theysee a deficiency in performance
of their bullet compared toanother company's bullet, then,
trust me, they're going to goback to the drawing board, just
like Sierra.
Now, this is not necessarilyrelated to EDC.

(47:25):
It's related more to hunting.
But Sierra got a lot offeedback from companies about
their hunting bullets being sogood but not quite having the
accuracy of match bullet.
So what did they do?
They made a hunting matchbullet so that match grade
shooters who expect extremeaccuracy can still get the good
accuracy of a match King, butwith the expansion and killing

(47:50):
capabilities of a game King.
I forget what they call thatbullet.
But the point is if the, if youbuild it, they'll come.
You know, companies will alwaysinnovate on the projectiles and
stuff like that, and with thesepowders that we have now we've
got some hotshot powders thatcan really get some good
velocities and it's just reallycool.

(48:10):
You know, I think that in thepast 9mm has sat on the wayside.
Matt because, you know, therewasn't quite as many good
options.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I mean, they were okay, but nowhere near what we
have now 9mm is a wickedcartridge now, especially out of
a decent length barrel.
Well, I think it's just beenproven through time that you
know, capacity is almost worthum overshadowing, stopping power
.
Because for a while the onlyreason that you would carry and

(48:42):
this was like before all of thethe really good ammunition, the
cool hollow points, the points,all of the metallurgy, it was
just a solid, you know, ninemillimeter low powered crap.
But you could carry 15 of them.
So you're like all right, well,I'll carry 15 nine millimeter
rounds versus 745.

(49:05):
Versus 745.
And, let's face it, the 15,nine millimeter rounds plus the
gun at the time was stilllighter than a 1911 with seven
rounds.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
So you know we've talked a little bit about our
carry guns and our lows.
I mean, we probably spent adecent amount of time talking
about ammo, but always, alwayslove to talk about this kind of.
I mean, you know me, you get meon ammo and man, I can go down
the rabbit hole.
I want to talk a little bitabout traveling with guns.
I know we did really a wholeepisode on traveling.
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Speaker 2 (51:24):
I like it.
Skip around to your heart'scontent, skip around to your
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Speaker 1 (51:28):
Boys and girls, that's fine.
We do it all.
We do it all.
There's always a description,good synopsis, of what the show
is going to be about as well.
I want to talk a little bitabout traveling Road guns.
I mean, I know we did a wholepodcast on road guns so we only
got about 10 minutes left on theshow, so it's okay to just
spend a little time talkingabout it.
But I suppose what I reallywant to drive home is has my

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mind changed from when we didthat show versus and that was
last year, I think?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
at least last year it might've been.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
A year and a half ago , we did that show where we
talked about traveling with gunsand things.
Has my point of view changed onwhether or not someone should
carry long guns or shotguns orblowout kits and things?
Has my point of view changed onwhether or not someone should
carry long guns or shotguns orblowout kits and things?
We're going to talk aboutmedical a little bit too in this
.
I would say that my opinionactually has changed, but I

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would say that my opinion hasgotten more towards where I
think everyday people should goout of their way to absolutely
carry some sort of a long gun intheir vehicle if you've got a
good way to secure it and hideit, especially, obviously, if
you have children.
I'm not saying ride around witha loaded shotgun where little
johnny can just, you know, pullthe trigger or whatever I'm not

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saying that, don't do that don'tdo that.
But if you've got a goodlockable, you know console or
something in your vehicle, it'sprobably not a bad idea to have
one little pump shotgun or Imean like that Kel-Tec KS7 for
instance.
You know, it's probably not asuper comfortable gun to shoot
because it's so little and lightthat bullpup is behind you back

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there.
That's a great light, littleshotgun that you can throw a
sling on and keep it in yourvehicle.
Is it something you're going togo out and shoot Berniki Black
Magics out of, you know 50 a day?
No, your shoulder is going tobe hurting, but for having a
shotgun you know at yourdisposal in a nice light, handy

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configuration that you can keepin your vehicle and hide it
relatively easily, I would sayit's a great option to just have
it's kind of like a little, youjust never know.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And it looks cool man , like it is a cool looking
shotgun it really is like it'sgot the fixed rail on the top.
It's like something that arobocop and it reminds me of the
robocop gun, where the littlekid like opens it up.
And that's what it reminds meof it is a neat gun.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Yeah, dude and blowout kits, medical.
I know we beat that dead horseleft and right, but medical is
super important.
I would say even more importantthan all of these bullet
delivery devices that we'retalking about.
Yeah, I mean, what do you runfor medical?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
So we'll have a first aid kit in the back of my car.
It's nothing like some of theseguys will carry, like suture
kits and all kinds of I justcarry.
I would say it's a step above,like a boo-boo kit, so it's got
some large gauze.
It has not a suture kit, butit's got like the.
They're like special bandagesthat you put over a wound that

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say won't stop bleeding, butit's a.
It's got like a special sealanton it so it'll help.
If you, let's just say you havea deep cut and you can't get it
to stop bleeding, you can applypressure and then it has like a
special sealing glue around itthat'll hold it.
Because if normal yeah, anormal bandage won't stick to
blood like if blood is like down, yeah, so this one you can wipe

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the blood away and like I guessthe adhesive will still stick.
It'll, yeah and and.
But you still have to applypressure.
Yeah, it is just there to keepthe blood from like just rushing
everywhere.
You can't just stick it andleave it alone.
It's just like hey you, it justhelps.
It just helps the situation.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah, I'm um.
I know this is going to soundreally pedestrian, but I'm a big
fan of the wellies.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah, I mean the wellie boo-boo kits.
You can get those at Costco andSam's.
They come with everything.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, the orange one.
It's the one that comes inorange tin and it's pretty well
equipped.
I the only thing that I that Ithink I had to add to it was a
like a bee sting kit.
It doesn't come with anythingfor bees and I think I added
some dramamine to mine.
Not that you need dramamine inthe car, but some people get car
sick and dramamine can helpwith that.
So maybe um snake bite kit, bugbite kit, sting kit, um

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dramamine, you know, maybe someother little specialized
medicines that might be uniqueto your situation would be good
to add.
But for the most part, for justthe everyday cuts and scrapes of
life and boo-boos, the welliesare very uh, well equipped, uh,
to just have on you at all times.
Now more of a blowoutconfiguration.
I mean I do like to have somegood gauze and compresses and I

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do like to keep a couple oftourniquets on hand.
I usually will add a tourniquetto the welly kit just in case
and I sort of just put it thereand forget it's there.
That way you never knowSomething's happening and let's
say you can't get to your mainblowout kit as quickly, or like
I keep these tourniquets here onmy battle belt, okay, these

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tourniquets right here, um, youknow, it's, it's handy and it's
nearby and it's available, andyou know, obviously, staging up
your tourniquet in the properway um, too, I'm sitting here
trying to pull on this thingfrom such a weird angle, but it
does pop right out, of course.
But, um, staging the tourniquetproperly too.
Don't leave the tourniquet justlike in the plastic, because
you're gonna have to take it outof the plastic, undo the Velcro
and put it.
You need to stage thetourniquet properly, have it

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ready to apply, okay, so don'tjust buy a tourniquet Like.
You need to stage it properly.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
And you have to replace them.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Like they don't last forever.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I think Skinny Medic Dietrich.
He's got a bunch of videos onhow to stage your tourniquet in
the best way.
So I would suggest checking outhis content on staging your
tourniquet if you guys want tocheck that content out.
But there's tons of greatmedical content out there that
will teach you how to stagetourniquets, how to set your bag
up in the most advantageous wayto make everything easy to get

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to tools that you need.
That maybe you might notconsider.
Like people don't think about,uh, medical shears.
I mean, if someone has a reallybad wound, I mean I carry
medical shears on my battle belt.
Look at this.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Oh yeah, man, these are.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Leathermans.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
You can do some battlefield amputations with
that.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
These are these are Raptors and these are folding
med shears and they are great,are great because you can, you
know, use these to see if I can,there we go.
You can use these to cut theclothing off, and that's very
important to be able to dobecause you got to be able to

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get to the wound If someone'shurt.
You know everyone just thinks,oh, I just push, well, yeah, but
you got to see it, you got tobe able to get to the wound If
someone's hurt.
You know, everyone just thinks,oh, I just push.
Well, yeah, but you got to seeit, you got to.
You got to be able to cut theclothing away.
So people forget about thingslike forceps and med shears.
And what about gloves, nitrilegloves?
I mean, you're going to getyour hands all in some blood.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, so bloodborne diseases.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
You want to.
Yeah, I mean, if you have thetime and the intuition to do it,
you know, yeah, throw on somegloves, you know.
So, those things, peoplepeopleboo kit and into the entry
level blowout kit, but without,I mean, you're not going to be
performing field surgery oranything on the side of the road
.
Um, uh, I think it's um.
I want to say it's either CRKTI think it is CRKT or it may be
um um havalon, the companyhavalon okay, they do these um

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portable scaffolds, wow they'reso it's like a.
It's a scaffold holder, it'slike a folding, like a folding
pocket knife, but with an actualsurgical scalpel like an exacto
knife.
Yes, okay and they haveinterchangeable blades and and
of course the blades aresymmetrically sealed and
sanitary and things like that.
Now, I'm not suggesting thatyou would need to cut on someone

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, not suggesting that butsometimes having access to that
is not a bad thing.
I'll tell a quick story.
I know we're kind of getting ontime here, but one time we were
at deer camp and it wasn't downat Linton's place, it somewhere
else.
It was just longer before that,but I was at deer camp and
somebody had forgotten to bringsome of their knives to, like
you know, dress a deer out.
I remember I had my havalon inmy in my blowout kit and here I

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am dressing out a whole deer.
It was a surgical scaffold dude.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
That must have been easy like this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah and dude, I'm telling you it cut so well and
also gave you the confidence toknow, like, wow, if I ever do
have to cut with this knife Iknow it's razor sharp- and I
dressed up a whole deer withjust a portable scalpel.
Nice man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
And I just wanted to touch on one thing.
Sure, as far as tourniquets go,not everything requires a
tourniquet, so I know if youguys are keeping up.
I just wanted to bring this up.
There's a big issue in Ukraineright now about people getting a
lot of amputations becausethey're using tourniquets on
wounds that don't necessarilyneed tourniquets on their legs,

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and they've been on there for areally long time and they're
losing arms and legs becausethey're using it as a catch-all.
They're like oh, he got hit inthe arm, he got hit in the leg,
or he has a wound on one of hisextremities, put a tourniquet on
it.
And now they're putting out newinformation like, hey, not
everything requires a tourniquet, be a little bit smart about it

(01:01:08):
.
And I remember there's a lot ofoutdated information and we
actually, you know, when we werein combat, we were told this
and it was like at the time itmight have been good information
, but it's bad information nowit's the best we had at the time
.
Yeah, and that was like hey, youknow, if you're on a tourniquet
, if we're on a mission, you canundo the tourniquet and let the

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blood kind of come back throughand then turn like reapply the
tourniquet, so that way it has abetter chance, the limb has a
better chance of survival, whichwe know now probably isn't the
best idea, but 20 years ago guysthat like I mean we're talking
when we were in combat it likethe stone age man compared to
what it is now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
I mean as far as like advances in medical, advances
in like everything you have tooutweigh the possibility of
dying versus the possibility oflosing a limb.
Yes, yeah, you just may have toaccept you're gonna lose that
limb but you're gonna live.
So it's like make your choice,but you're gonna make it now
yeah, you can't, can't waitForever, hold your peace man.

(01:02:09):
I think we really covered a lotof good bases in today's show
and I know we could probably goon and discuss things at a
little further detail.
But I really wanted this to beabout the importance of EDC.
I mean, there's just been somany things going on all these
shootings and things.
I think it's important toreiterate to people how
important it is to make surethat you are well-armed and
well-prepared and well-versed inhow to deal with medical

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emergencies, and that level ofpreparation is not always easy
for an average person to haveunder their belt.
Because, I mean, it's a lot ofinformation to know, it's a lot
of knowledge, it's a lot oftraining, it's a lot of
capability that you know.
Quite frankly, look, we're allbusy, we have jobs, we work hard
, we take care of our families.
We have many other things thatwe'd rather be doing than going

(01:02:53):
out and training at the range orgoing out and taking medical
classes.
I get it Like.
I know some people place a veryhigh emphasis on it and I'm I'm
happy to have those people insociety, but I don't I don't
blame the person who doesn'thave the time to go out and
really dive into all of this ata deeper level.
I get that.
I understand it.

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I guess the only thing I wouldsay to those kind of people is
just try to make an effort toslowly but surely increase your
posture and increase your levelof survivability, even if you're
anti-gun.
I doubt you're watching this ifyou're anti-gun, but even if
you hate guns, you should atleast be well-prepared medically

(01:03:36):
.
You can still help someone.
You can still own body armor.
You can still stop bullets.
You can still do all that.
Armor is one of the mostpassive ways you can protect
yourself.
Absolutely.
Don't think just because youdon't own a gun you should own a
gun, but if you don't, uh, it'sokay to have armor and a
blowout kit.
At least you're more preparedthan just someone who is going

(01:03:58):
about with with nothing at all.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
That's right and hopefully you know our
conversation today.
You, you know, obviously, ifyou're watching the show, if
you're, you know, subscribed tothe channel, you're in a very
similar mindset as Eric and I.
You know, um, you know,hopefully we did a great job of
explaining to you guys like ourmentality.
Uh, if, obviously, if you'rewatching the show, you are of
the same mentality, so we don'thave to convince you to carry

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every day.
But to the new viewers they'regoing to come in, maybe they're
looking for some confirmationbias of like, yeah, they're
typing in, is it normal to carrya gun every day?
And then our video pops up andit's like yes, that is normal.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
And it's becoming more normal.
I know we didn't really have achance to talk about uh
reciprocity or or EDC in termsof uh like, uh constitutional
carry and things like that.
We have so many states that areconstitutional carry.
Now it has really opened up thefloodgates on our ability to
exercise our rights and protectourselves without the fear of

(01:04:56):
government interference or,worse, without the fear of the
government simply being able tosay no, that's right.
Some places are a shall notissue, won't issue state, or
they have very strict standardson what you have to go through,
and that can be a very dauntingthing for a person to go through
if they're new to guns and nowthey're hit with all of these
strict criteria that they haveto go through.

(01:05:16):
I think it's purposely designedto cause a person to kind of
want to go.
Well, I thought about it andmaybe I don't want a gun after
all, and that's the Like.
The barrier of entry should beway, way lower and easier to
make it easier for people toexercise their rights on a
regular basis, and I think thatwe're seeing now, um a much

(01:05:38):
greater environment for that tooccur than what it was 20, 30
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
So it's um it's definitely getting better.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Absolutely, Absolutely Yep.
Anything else before we head onMatt.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
No, I mean just real quick.
I know that you were talkingabout.
You know, brought up a goodpoint about you know.
Hopefully you know just becauseif you're anti-gun or you know
you don't want to carry a gunand you're choosing to delegate
that to somebody else, you know,that's perfectly fine.
Not everybody wants to do thatno-transcript gun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I'm not safe, I'm not capable, I'm not trained.
It's okay to just admit hey,maybe you shouldn't have one, or
maybe you don't trust yourselfwith one.
Whatever the reason is yourreason for not wanting to have a
gun is just as valid as myreason for wanting to have a gun
Absolutely, and that's okay.
I'm not going to hate someonethat doesn't choose to be a gun
owner.
But I think it's verycounterproductive to stop people

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or want to stop people whoactually do have the training
and mentality to be an asset tosociety with a gun, and I think,
honestly, the tides are turninga lot on that.
I think that in reality, whenyou go about your everyday world
, I think more people arecertainly more open to people
carrying than they were in thepast.

(01:07:15):
I think I think the tides areturning.
I would agree 100%.
Yeah, I really do.
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