LLP Ep132: Our Rights Are Not Up For Debate

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The battle for the Second Amendment isn't just happening in courtrooms and legislative chambers—it's raging within our own community. This eye-opening episode dives deep into what's truly challenging gun rights in America today.

We begin by exploring how different perspectives within the gun community shape our approach to advocacy. From dedicated hunters focused on public land access to everyday carriers concerned with self-defense rights, these varied viewpoints can either strengthen or fracture our collective voice. The fundamental misunderstanding of rights versus privileges emerges as a critical issue, with many Americans—even those not inherently anti-gun—struggling to grasp that constitutional rights shouldn't require government permission.

Political realities present their own challenges. Republican inaction often proves just as damaging as Democratic opposition, with campaign promises routinely falling short when it comes to advancing pro-gun legislation. We dissect real examples of how this plays out in Congress and examine the importance of politicians who demand accountability through individual votes rather than omnibus packages.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn when we consider emerging technologies like drones and their implications for the Second Amendment. As warfare evolves, should our understanding of "the right to bear arms" evolve with it? Meanwhile, recent legal victories through the Bruen decision have provided powerful tools for challenging unconstitutional restrictions, demonstrating that persistent advocacy yields results.

Whether you're a lifelong gun owner or simply concerned about constitutional freedoms, this episode offers valuable insights into the complex forces shaping gun rights today. Join us as we cut through the noise and focus on what really matters: preserving dangerous freedom in an increasingly controlled world.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt and thisis Life, liberty and the Pursuit
, your beacon of freedom and theAmerican way of life.
Tune in every Monday for a newepisode as we dive into the
world of liberty and what makesour country great.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
All right, welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt here withLLP and we've got another great
episode here for you today.
It's been a fantastic week andwe're ready to be back in the
saddle getting out some morecontent for you guys here.
The podcast is growing, doingwell.
We're getting our wind in oursails again and I'm happy that
everybody's back and hope you'veall had a great week.

(00:35):
Yep, what's up?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
How's things been going for you?
Dude, weekend was great.
Spent the weekend down at Perry, georgia.
I was at a two-day wrestlingtournament down there, daughter
was wrestling and it was just agreat weekend overall, beating
everybody.
Yeah, she did really well.
She went eight and two for theweekend.
She got silver in theindividuals and then spent

(00:58):
Saturday and Sunday just duelingother teams.
If you guys ever wrestle andyou've been on team duels, it's
a little bit of a differentexperience.
It's kind of a way to take anindividual sport and make it a
team sport.
So you're wrestling as a team,so you'll bring 15, in this case
, girls, so it was a girlswrestling team.
It's like 15 girls, one forevery weight division and then

(01:20):
you battle other teams and thenevery single match is a finals
match and then you battle otherteams and then every single
match is a finals match.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
So you know, just like you were mentioning jujitsu
in the uh in the in, you know.
You know in the previousepisodes we were talking about
how when you go to somebodyelse's, you know dojo, you know
you're going to get in there andthey're going to you're going
to be have a target on your back.
I would imagine that's the sametype of thing.
When different teams are goinggoing at each other, they relish
in the opportunity to wrestlepeople that are not on their own
team, that they don't trainwith, because then that teaches
you other people's techniquesand you learn it's better to

(01:50):
compete against people you nevercompete with, it's true, and it
becomes a very stylisticmatchup.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
So you'll see different wrestling.
Academies have different stylesof wrestling, so it really does
become like oh, this style.
It's like those old Kung Fumovies where they're like oh,
snake style versus crane style,and it's weak against tiger
style.
So you get to see differentstyles of wrestling.
Some people are like riders.

(02:16):
They like to ride on the top.
Some people wrestle from thebottom.
They're very tricky.
Some people they're really goodat takedowns so they don't even
ride you, so they'll take youdown, let you up and they take
you down again and they justtech fall you that way.
So yeah it's, you get to see alittle bit of everything.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, and you know that's great for the individual
competitors because they'relearning.
You know everyone's differentstyles and then whatever style
of wrestling they wind up takingon ends up being sort of a
mashup of everything thateverybody's doing Exactly.
Nothing wrong with that.
That's martial arts in anutshell, isn't it?
I mean, you're taking a littlebit from when you lose.
You take something from thatloss.

(02:53):
You go oh, why did I lose?
And you go ah, I know thattrick now?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, that's the saying.
Whenever you do lose, the firstthing someone will tell you
when you come off the mat waslike hey, you don't lose, you
win or you learn, and that's it,that's right, that's right,
okay.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, we're going to get into today's show and so
we're going to be taking some ofyour comments here today.
I put a little quick messageout on Twitter and I asked you
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Amendment community the most, orreally just the preservation of
the Second Amendment in general.
Is it legislation?
Is it the government moving tooslow?

(03:28):
Is it our own community?
I mean, what exactly is holdingup the Second Amendment the
most?
That's what today's show isabout.
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(09:39):
and hot, oh yeah, okay.
So, getting into the beans andbullets of the show, you know we
want to just sort ofextrapolate and just kind of
spitball some ideas about whatwe view to be the biggest
challenges that the SecondAmendment as a community, as a
group of people that representsa certain type of lifestyle, and

(10:07):
in a couple of future episodeswe're going to go over some
other things related to it.
But I want this to be aboutwhat our perceptions are, and
everyone is different.
If you ask a hunter what hethinks the biggest challenges to
the Second Amendment are well,someone who's a hardcore hunter,
maybe they live in the middleof nowhere and when they go to

(10:27):
town there's hardly nobody thereand they don't really think of
guns as like, oh, I'm going tohave a firearm to face a
potential threat, or I'm notworried about carrying a gun to
town because no one in my townis a threat and everyone's
harmless and no crime everhappens here.
You live in a very high trustsociety, a crime-free society,
and your only exposure to gunsis that you hunt and that's it.

(10:50):
Well, yeah, a hunter's view ofwhat challenges are going to be
to the Second Amendment might be.
Well, the government's sellingoff public land or closing
public land to hunting, or hey,what hunting regulations are in
place that affect me as a hunter?
You know what type of gunregulations are in place that
might affect what type of guns Ican use to hunt, with right

(11:11):
Magazine restrictions, caliberrestrictions, so on and so forth
.
So yeah, the challenges ahunter might face are quite
different from, let's just say,maybe you're an advanced gun
collector, okay, maybe you loveall different types of evil
black rifles and you loveeverything.
Like me.
You know I'm a well-rounded gunowner who.
I love black powder, I lovemachine guns, I love full auto.

(11:33):
I love, you know, modern evilblack stuff.
I love AKs all the way down tomatch locks and cannons.
So for me, the second amendmentis much more encompassing to my
overall view of what I feel itis to be a well-rounded gun
owner.
Now, does that mean that I lookdown on someone who only cares
about hunting?
I don't.
I get it.
If you love to hunt, by allmeans hunt, that's great, I love

(11:57):
to hunt.
But some of us are much morevested in the overall lifestyle
of the Second Amendment, andwhat I mean by lifestyle is,
yeah, many of us we carry everyday, no matter where we go.
We have blowout kits in ourcars, we have a shotgun or a
rifle we keep in our vehiclejust in case.
Like, yeah, we stage guns inour house.

(12:19):
In case of an emergency, we canhave a long gun on standby.
We stage blowout kits in thehouse, we stage a hidden pistol
somewhere in the cupboard, weare ready and we don't play
around.
And yet there are differenttypes of people and how they
view what the Second Amendmentmeans to them.
So therefore, there's going tobe varying levels of attention

(12:40):
that people give to the matter,based on their individual needs
for what they use guns for.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, I would agree.
It is a lifestyle and theproblem that you run into is
that those that don't live thatlifestyle that's okay, but they
also try to create rules andregulations and laws that force
those that are living thatlifestyle to no longer be able

(13:10):
to live that lifestyle, to livethe life that they're living
because they want to feel safe.
And that really falls into oneof the issues that I see all the
time and that is and I actuallyhave this conversation a lot
with people at our Jiu JitsuAcademy because, believe it or
not, jiu Jitsu and firearms arevery close, so a lot of people

(13:35):
that train Jiu Jitsu also happento like firearms.
We do range days.
We'll all go out as a team, asa school, and we all bring our
guns and we go shooting at therange.
And we have lots of policeofficers that train with us.
We have lots of just regularcivilians that never shoot.
They get an opportunity toshoot because they're with
people that have a lot of guns.

(13:56):
And I get to have thisconversation with students there
and it's in passing, it's notlike anybody's trying to
indoctrinate anybody by anymeans, but the subject always
comes up and I just ask aquestion and it's like why are
you not against firearms, butwhy do you feel like there has

(14:22):
to be so many steps in place inorder to own a firearm?
They have a really hard timeunderstanding the difference
between a right and a privilege.
And they look at your right tobear arms and start trying to
apply rules to it.
And you can't do that.
And one of the biggest thingsthat they don't understand is

(14:46):
pre-crime.
They always try to look at thepurchase of a firearm like, oh,
you know that person is going tocommit a crime, but how do you
know?
You can't do that.
You can't assume pre-crime.
You can't assume just becausethe person looks a certain way,
or even go a step farther.

(15:06):
They have a history of and thisis the big one.
They're like, oh well, thisperson always gets into fights,
this person always gets intotrouble, and then they go and
buy a firearm.
I mean, that is their right,they can do that.
They do background checks, theydo everything that they can,
but you can't not sell them afirearm just based on the fact

(15:27):
that you're not comfortable withthat person owning a firearm.
They have a right to do that.
Yeah, what if that?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
person is getting beat up all the time and they're
a victim and they want to havea firearm to potentially protect
themselves, because maybe everytime they've gotten jumped or
beat up, it gets worse and worseand they're worried that the
next time might be fatal, youknow.
So there's that process.
I mean, just because a personis getting into fights all the
time doesn't mean that they'rethe aggressor.

(15:54):
They could be the victim, youknow.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, they have to be comfortable with accepting the
fact that you know there'sdangerous freedom, that, um, you
know there's dangerous freedom,like if you, you can't have,
you can't have an extremely freesociety and at the same time,
uh, assign a whole bunch ofrules to what you can and can't
do.
You have to, you have to liveand let live, um, and then

(16:17):
another one is trainingrequirements.
This is something that a lot ofjust everyday people that's the
first thing I'm they shouldmake a, they should make
training requirements.
It's a right.
As much as even if I always do100 agree with you, which I
don't I think everybody shouldtrain, at least train just to be
familiar with the firearm.
I in no way believe that youshould have to train in order to

(16:41):
purchase one, to exercise yoursecond amendment, right, but
that's always like the first orsecond thing.
Oh, they should be trainingrequirements, they should have
to take a test.
No, they shouldn't.
No, it's just the way it is,like you have a right to own a
firearm and, again, you have tobe comfortable with dangerous
freedom.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Sure, you know, I think that there are certainly
some very dangerous slipperyslopes that are brought up a lot
by by people who are on thatside of the equation.
You know, maybe they're notnecessarily anti-gun, but
they're not pro-gun either.
Maybe they just try to apply alittle bit of their logic to it
and it doesn't always line upwith our logic, and that's not a

(17:21):
bad thing.
Like I understand, if someonesays oh well, we want, you know,
stricter background checks, wewant that.
I'm not saying I agree with it,but I'm just saying that I
understand and respect theiropinion.
I disagree with their opinionand I have very distinctive
reasons for disagreeing withthat opinion and I'm willing to
hear anyone out and I will do mybest to convince them that my

(17:43):
way is the way.
But at the end of the day, ifthat's their thought, that's
their thought and that's okay, Iwill say that it's a slippery
slope to allow the government tohave the scrutiny.
Anytime they have the scrutiny,they're going to weaponize that
scrutiny.
So if we say, well, mentallyill people can't own guns, well,
who do you think is going todecide who's mentally ill?

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
It's going to be the government.
And guess what?
That pendulum is going to swingleft and right every four years
, or every eight years, howeveroften that pendulum is going to
swing left and right.
And who do you think will thenbe given the keys to that
kingdom, to that Pandorm's box,to be able to say oh, you're
mentally defective.
Well, you're mentally defective.
Well, the left says more andmore of these people are
mentally defective than theright says oh, these people are

(18:27):
mentally defective.
Well, who's losing?
The people are right, theaverage person who just wants to
exercise the rights.
They're losing.
And the government is gaining,essentially a monopoly on
violence.
And I think there are a lot ofpeople out there who they think,
well, the government wouldnever do any wrong, they're here
to protect us, they're here tohelp us.
And you know what?

(18:48):
I think that a lot of people,they place too much faith in an
organized government period,much less our own government.
And then, okay, you turn on thesocial media feed, the news
feed, or whatever.
You pay attention to what'sgoing on in the world and what
do you end up seeing?
You see all this stuff that'sgoing on, and the government, it

(19:10):
seems like they're just passingthe buck along every time you
turn around and there's alwayssomebody is getting screwed in
some way, shape or form and youthink, man, do we really trust
these people?
You know whether you're left orright, you have to eventually
go wait a minute.
You realize what's going on.

(19:31):
It's like we are continuouslylosing and they're continuously
winning and it has the, the sortof the visibility is like.
It's almost like you have thisparasite class that they're
clinging on to all of us andthey're sucking all our
resources off and and you know,eventually you go wait a minute
like these people don't have ourbest interests in mind at all.

(19:52):
And I know that's hard for a lotof people to believe because
you know some people are.
You know, maybe their greatgrandpa worked for the
government and they're a thirdor fourth generation government
employee.
That's all they've ever known.
Is their families worked forthe government.
Or maybe their family waspolice officers, maybe their
family was all soldiers andthat's what they've always done
and they feel like it's theirpatriotic duty to continue what

(20:14):
their grandpa did, their dad did.
So I'm not going to discountthat.
I understand that people arepatriotic and they view what
they do.
They feel like they are doingthe right thing.
They feel like they are doingthe right thing.
They feel like they arerighteous and justified in their
actions, and I'm not going totake that away from someone.
They feel the way they feel.
But the reality is again, youdon't want someone having the

(20:38):
key to Pandora's box to be ableto tell someone what they should
or should not do, or what theycan and cannot do, and we should
never allow a small group ofpeople to make that
determination.
It should always be anindividual right.
The Second Amendment is firstand foremost an individual right
.
It is not the place of thegovernment to decide the extent

(21:00):
in which you exercise yourSecond Amendment.
Now, the Bruin decision, whichwas heavily brought on by help
from the NRA and look, I'll givecredit where it's due the NRA.
They're trying to turn thingsaround.
Look, we owe the NRA, in partat least, for the Bruin decision
.
That is unequivocally true.
Hate me or not, that's thetruth.

(21:23):
But the Bruin decision is a veryimportant Supreme Court ruling
because what it does is it tellsthe government hey, whatever
laws you've passed in regards tothe Second Amendment, it has to
pass constitutional muster,with the historical analog of

(21:43):
the Second Amendment going backto 1791, what regulations were
in place in 1791?
All right, whatever regulationswere in place when the Second
Amendment was adopted.
Ultimately your laws have tokind of coincide with the
original intent and spirit ofthe Second Amendment at the time
of its founding, and that's avery hard thing to scrutinize.

(22:04):
Okay, were there capacityrestrictions in 1791?
Nope.
Were there prohibited persons?
Some, but I don't think theywant to know.
Do you know who the prohibitedpeople were in 1791?
Take a guess.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Who.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Blacks, slaves.
Black people couldn't own gunsin 1791.
So is that really thehistorical analog you want to
use as your justification as towhy you need weapons permits or
why you need restrictions?
But the left, they'll take thatlow road all day long.
The state of New York, of allpeople, argued well, there were

(22:44):
restrictions on certain peoplein 1791.
Oh, which people?
Well, slaves.
So does that mean now that thestate of New York views you as a
citizen as no better than theirslave?
Regardless of the color of yourskin, we're all slaves.
Now that law, an oppressive lawin New York does not just apply

(23:08):
to a black person.
Or there were laws that saidCatholic people couldn't own
guns, believe it or not.
Well, you're not Catholic,you're not black, you're someone
other than that, but it stillapplies to you.
So they actually expanded thatdefinition to include basically
anyone they don't damn like.
And that's the cruelty of gunlegislation and what we have to

(23:32):
fight now, what we deal with now.
So the Bruin decision is a veryimportant and distinctive
decision that gives us a lot ofteeth to kind of go.
All right, we're going tochallenge all this stuff in
court.
There are many states whereassault weapons bans have been
challenged and we're winning.
Carry restrictions have beenchallenged and we're winning.

(23:54):
Capacity restrictions andmagazine restrictions have been
challenged and we are winningbecause of the Bruin decision.
So you see, constitutionalcarry is now the law in over 32
or 30 states or something, soquite a few.
We'd like to see the remaining20 get in on that.
I mean, of course, it'd be niceto see maybe some federal

(24:16):
legislation.
So that would probably allow usto pivot to the conversation of
inaction.
So what would be one of thechallenges that our own
government puts on us?
Inaction.
The Republicans run on apro-gun campaign.
Oh, we're pro-gun, we're goingto do this, we're going to do
that.
They may deliver 20% of whatthey say they're going to do,

(24:38):
but the reality is, republicansgenerally sit on their hands
when it comes to pro-gunlegislation.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yep, I mean right now .
Look what I believe what guns,total gun sales and NICS checks
are like down tremendously,tremendously, which is always
the case when the Republicansare in office.
They inaction is the name ofthe game.
They, you know gun owners knownothing good is going to happen,

(25:08):
nothing bad is going to happen.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
It's just going to be the Nothing bad is going to
happen.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
It's just going to be the same for the next four
years and then we see what'sgoing to happen.
So if the Democrats start tomake headway, if the Democrat
and guys, this election year isgoing to be a very interesting
election year.
Trump this is his last.
Well, they say theoretically,theoretically, his last.
Well, they say Theoretically,theoretically, his last term.

(25:32):
So it's up for grabs.
He's not going to be rerunning.
I don't think that Vance has itin him to make a run for the
main office.
So I think we're going to seesome new blood, hopefully some
younger blood.
I mean not to get off subject,but we got a pretty old dude in

(25:57):
there.
He's up there with Biden in agenow.
It was like their neck and neck.
He's coming into the same agethat Biden was when he left
office.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Trump?
Yeah Well, I'll tell you, he'sgot brass balls.
You say what you want, but theman ain't afraid of conflict.
He's not afraid to put himselfout there, and there have been
things about Trump that I've notagreed with the president, and
I do not agree on everything.
That's okay.
We're not required to agree oneverything.

(26:26):
It's okay to disagree, and Ithink that's an important thing
to remember within the SecondAmendment community as well.
We all have our differences ofopinion on how to approach the
issue at hand, how to solve theproblems at hand.
And do I agree with everythingthe president's done?
No, I do not, but overall, Iwould say that I'm pretty proud

(26:48):
of his track record and I thinkthat he's doing a pretty solid
job.
Overall, I'm pretty happy Timewill tell.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
I just wanted to circle back real quick to one
thing and you said, because youbrought something up that kind
of like struck a chord with mewhen it came to Was it a
dissonant chord?
No, dissonant chord, no, um, itwas regarding the uh with the

(27:16):
police and government.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
You know doing the right thing, when you know, I
know where this is going and I'mlike thinking in my head.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
I'm like I know I have to say something about.
You know, we want to believethat.
We want to believe that, wewant to believe, but
statistically, by the books, bythe numbers, it's not going to
happen.
They're going police,government will do what they're
told to do and as citizens, welike to believe they're going to

(27:43):
throw down their weapons andsay, no, I'm not going to do it.
That's illegal or that goesagainst the constitution.
But 100% I'm telling you guys,you guys know this, you viewers
and listeners know this to betrue.
It will not happen.
If you look at just the historyof every country that has
enacted any type of, you know,police state or have any type of

(28:06):
issues like that, they alwaysdo what they're told.
Always, yeah, every single one.
Let's look good on the listVenezuela, china, cambodia,
vietnam, el Salvador, north andSouth Korea.
Even here in America, when theyhad the whole COVID lockdown

(28:27):
thing and the police were goingthrough the streets and they
were shooting at people on theirfront porch, like they're doing
exactly what they're told to do.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
And it you know as much as it pains me.
I'd like to believe that peoplewould do it, and they're not.
They absolutely won't.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Pain is a good word.
Pain is a good word because itis a painful realization to come
to you.
Love your country.
You're brought up a certain wayas an American to be patriotic.
Love your country, respect yourflag, respect your veterans,
respect law enforcement.
And the problem is, if you doit, they stab you in the back.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
You know the ATF is going to show up and kill your
dog and, you know, murder you inyour sleep.
Yeah, you know the ATF's goingto show up and kill your dog and
, you know, murder you in yoursleep.
That's not okay and I think alot of us, we feel betrayed, we
feel slighted, we feel like, hey, we're all on the same team
here.
We all fought for the same youknow purpose that we thought we
were fighting for.
We all fought for what wethought was freedom and that

(29:31):
that freedom extended to us tobe able to not be under the
scrutiny or boot of anoverbearing, authoritarian type
of government.
We're supposed to avoid thattype of thing by the type of
system we have set up.
We're a constitutional republic, we're supposed to have a
representative government andyou certainly don't see that
with all the PACs that arefunneling money into the
government and who controls who,and you look at all the details

(29:54):
of who's funneling the moneywhere it's like well, are we
even being represented anymore?
So you know not to get on thatgrandstand, but the truth is is
that a lot of people have begunand continued to have less and
less faith in what ourgovernment even represents
institutionally anymore, andit's not to say that someone is

(30:16):
not a patriot or doesn't lovetheir country.
Loving your country is fardifferent than loving your
government.
And you can love Beaver,cleaverville, small town America
you grew up in, and yourneighbors and your community.
And you have the parades.
There's all that sort of thevisibility of patriotism that we

(30:37):
see in a day-to-day basis inour community People helping
each other, people doing theright thing by each other.
A disaster comes around, peoplehand out cases of water.
When we think patriotism, Ithink that's what we think of.
We know which people like ifour country were invaded or
something boots on the groundtype of situation.
Now I'm being hypothetical here, but we know who would actually

(30:58):
pick up a gun and fight andprotect their country versus the
people who they don't really,really truly understand the
value of what we're evenprotecting here.
So I think that's the kind oftakeaway there.
So earlier I alluded that wehad some comments.
Actually, now it's up to over100 comments here on Twitter and

(31:19):
basically I asked.
So you want to read somecomments?

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Sure go for it All right.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
So we'll read a few comments and I haven't gone
through these yet, so I'm justgoing to sort of scroll through,
okay, and I asked what do youthink are the biggest battles
we're fighting in terms ofpreserving and solidifying the
Second Amendment?
Lord Diannexus says spacewizards.
Okay, well, can't say I've seenany space wizards trying to

(31:46):
take my guns away, but hey,that's cool.
I haven't seen any spacewizards trying to take my guns
away, but hey, that's cool.
Everything 2A says getting pro2A news to people that aren't
necessarily pro 2A Censorship,our reach is the biggest issue.
You have anything to add tothat?
No, pretty good, yeah, I mean,the thing is, it's true, A lot

(32:07):
of the anti-gunners, they don'treally care what we have to say.
They already have their mindsmade up and unfortunately, a lot
of voters are also.
I don't want to say they're lowinformation people, because you
know people, they care aboutwhat they care about.
They're not making the SecondAmendment a big enough issue on
their voting record, as itreally needs to be, and we

(32:29):
actually have that problem evenwithin the 2A community.
Not enough gun owners get outand actually vote and register
to vote and everything like that.
So it's important.
Okay.
Brian LaFonte says hardwarebans.
It shouldn't be this much of astruggle to get the Supreme
Court to say the most popularrifle and the most popular

(32:49):
magazines are protected by theSecond Amendment.
Okay.
I agree and I think they didagree on that for the most part
the disgruntled patriot saysthere is no fight or debate.
The Second Amendment is prettyclear, I agree.
I agree Florida Rebel a littlebit more of a doomsday type of

(33:11):
view here.
He says in all fairness, Ithink we already lost the 2A
battle.
I can understand why peoplethink that way, but I
respectfully disagree.
I think we're making reallygood gains.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
I'll just add I think we've discussed this in
previous episodes we are thestrongest right now.
The Second Amendment is thestrongest right now than it's
ever been outside of when theyfirst formed the NFA.
I mean before you could go andbuy a machine gun at Sears.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Or have it delivered to your front door.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Right now we're fairly strong.
Obviously we can.
We can make improvements.
We can always make headway.
There's a lot of stuff we needto get back, but to to overlook
the gains that we've made so farwould be a bit disingenuous,
and I think that it makes itharder to to argue in all
seriousness with someone that'santi-gun.

(34:11):
If you hold that stance, if yougo up to somebody and say we
haven't gained anything and welost all of our two-way rights,
that would be like you blatantlylying to someone's face and
expecting them to believe you.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Or they may say well, why should I care about the
Second Amendment?
If you feel like all hope isgone, then why should I care?
Right, and that's the lastthing you want someone to do.
If you're bringing somebodyinto the fold, you want them to
think hey, we're, we're gaininghere.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Okay, it's the fourth quarter, baby.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, we got to win, we're on we're on, we're on the
four yard, but I want to read itbecause he took the time to
type it.
Dan says people not reading andunderstanding the Constitution,
particularly not understandingthat the Bill of Rights does not
grant rights but restricts thegovernment in combination with

(35:02):
the federal government onlyhaving authority it was granted.
People not reading their stateconstitutions, which often
protect the right and may notrequire using the Very good
points there.
Sean says Again, we mentionedthat inaction sometimes is even

(35:26):
more damning than action.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
I will say that I love the comment about the state
constitution, because the stateconstitution supersedes the
federal constitution in thestate.
Now, once you travel outside ofyour state, you're beholden to
your constitutional rights, yourfederal constitution rights.
So I love that.

(35:49):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Jeff says the GOP holdouts that aren't willing to
do the work necessary to forceback decades of overreach.
Now that we finally have thenumbers in Congress?
Now, Jeff, to be fair, it's avery slim majority, Like two.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Extremely slim.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
So, yes, all it takes is a couple of people to just
to be holdouts.
And I'll tell you what.
Thomas Massey.
Now I know a lot of people areunhappy with Thomas Massey.
President Trump is not a fan ofThomas Massey.
I'm very disappointed in thepresident's view of Congressman
Massey because Thomas Masseywants every single bill to be

(36:27):
voted on on a case-by-case basis, yes, individually.
We should not be having thesepork-laden bills full of 1,500,
2,000 pages that you know dangwell, the representatives are
not reading properly.
We even have AI now that canparaphrase a lengthy bill into
its juicy topics.
They're not even willing to dothat.
These people are just voting bythe party line and they're not

(36:50):
actually taking the individualissues into account.
And what we'd like to see and Iknow Congressman Massey would
like to see, and I myself, Ibelieve what Congressman Massey
believes is that every issueshould be voted on line by line.
Here's the issue yay or nay?
Raise your hand.

(37:10):
It's simple.
You have to have an establishedvoting record to know who's who
, and if you just have thesepork laden bills, well, how do
you know what they voted yay for?
Maybe they voted yay for onetiny little spending area and
the rest of that they don't evencare about.
They didn't vote yay because ofmaybe even the anti-gun part
that was attached to it, butthey wanted the good part that

(37:30):
they actually are looking at, sothat you have a false pretense
for who's anti-gun and a falsepretense for who's pro-gun, and
that many of them don't evencare about a gun-related topic.
So that's the issue.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
We have to know who's who.
That is the issue, and that'swhy Thomas Massey always gets
kind of drawn as the bad guybecause he's voting strictly on
physical spending and budgets.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
And if you try to throw that in there and he sees
it, he's going to.
Obviously he's just going tovote because he's so against.
Just Well, he's aconstitutionalist.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
He cares about fiscal responsibility.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
He's against frivolous spending of government
funds?
Yes, and he should be.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Rufus says the battle needs to be for the hearts and
minds of Americans, so theydon't fall for the political
propaganda.
Very true, yes, yes, very true.
The Second Amendment fightstarts at the culture.
Change the culture and, as such, you will change the direction
of the politics that affect thatculture.
So Rufus is absolutely correct.
Let's see there's a lot here.

(38:36):
Robert Hedrick says none cometo mind, which could be a battle
in itself.
Is there some legislation thatmanaged to sneak in past all the
other crazy stuff going on?
Well, it's a possibility,donald John Herbert says.
Ultimately, the governmentwants us disarmed.

(38:58):
They'll dangle some minor windsin front of us with one hand
while reaching around with theother hand to stab us in the
back.
So descriptive, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
So descriptive, I love it, but he's right.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, he is absolutely right.
No, reach around, that's right.
Jack Marr says to me barrellength and carry laws.
We've already seen armedcivilians are better at
responding to threats thanpolice and have prevented many
mass killings.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
There's been a few, like the guy with the church
shooting.
I believe he stepped out withhis uh ar and he hit.
He hit somebody um right.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Steve lilliford.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yes, and then there was jack the guy with jack 45,
yeah it was his name, I believe,mr dorsey.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yep, no, he had a 10 millimeter.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Oh, even better oh yeah, and it was a head.
Yes, all the way from acrossthe room.
Holy cow Repainted the walls onthat one.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
I mean, I am laughing .
More power to him.
Jonas Cord says the biggestissue is people continuing to
blame an inanimate object forcriminality, instead of the
individual using that object tointentionally harm others.
Even in societies where theyhave no firearms, the criminals
still find ways to carry.
So true, oh my gosh, that's sotrue.
Yeah, that is so true.

(40:25):
I mean, look at the Democrats,they're bailing people out of
prison.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yep, they're lowering cash bails to where you know.
You have a quarter milliondollar bail and you only need to
put up 10.
So these, these, these violentfelons alleged, alleged are are
bailing out at 2500 bucks.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
It's unheard of I mean there, there are heck a lot
of good comments in here.
Let's see, the Celtic Vikingsays our leaders, there are
states that restrict your rights.
The Supreme Courts in thesestates are basically activists
that go with the narrative.
It is broken at the highestlevels and there needs to be
sweeping change.

(41:06):
A lot of this has happened inthe last 10 years.
There's hope, so it's very true.
A lot of times these courts arepacked with people that the
Democrats know dang well aregoing to toe the line and
they're going to use thatpolitical position as a
bargaining chip or as a way tocarry out their political will
not necessarily the will of thepeople, and not necessarily

(41:28):
something that coincides withthe law and the Constitution and
everything like that and thespirit of the law, especially as
it pertains to our rights.
I mean, we're not just talkingsomething that is some platitude
that is handed to someone.
We're talking about the SecondAmendment.
It is a right that is enshrinedfor a reason.
It is not to be questioned.

(41:51):
Rights are rights.
They are what they are, but yetthey always seem to foul things
up because of their politicalwhims, and not so much that
they're actually doing thingsthe right way.
Let's see.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Well, I see a lot of I think a lot of these
government officials, whetherthey're congressmen, women,
senators, let's just say, uh,government officials, they live
in an ivory tower, so they.
The reason they aren't moved tomake any of these changes is

(42:27):
because it doesn't affect themdirectly, and a good example of
that is I believe, I believe itwas Corey Scott, the Senator
from New Jersey.
I could be wrong, but I believeit was Corey Scott got his
assistant or driver, got caughtwith a firearm at the capitol

(42:48):
building.
Now that's a serious offense.
That's like federal prison fora normal civilian to walk into.
To one.
It shouldn't be a crime well,we're, we're, we're just going
through what happened.
Washington dc extremely likelocked down the, so much so that

(43:09):
the police turn their guns inat the end of every night.
So the the dc capital police,they get to work, they draw
their firearm, they get offshift, they put their firearm
away at the police station andthey go home.
Civilian, forget about it,never gonna have a firearm,
except for, uh, mr dick hellerover there it's certainly not

(43:32):
easy.
I mean you can get a dc carrypermit, but it's extremely yeah
it's very hard and that'ssomething that and most
definitely not allowed in thecapital, on capital grounds or
the capital, and they couldtotally just tell you no for any
reason, and it's almost likeyou have to know the judge, you
have to know someone like you.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
You almost have to be connected and know the right
person.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
But this guy's assistant or driver, whichever
it was got caught carrying inthe Capitol building.
Why?
Because the rules don't applyto them.
They don't feel they don't haveto jump through the same hoops
that the normal people do, sowhy would they need to make any
change?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Why would they need to make any headway on the
second amendment when thatdoesn't apply to them?
They can just do what they want.
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, um,trying to think of that movie
that had so it was the moviewith kevin costner and sean
connery the dispend dispendables.
What was the name of that movie?
It was like a mob movie.
It was like back in the 30s andthey, they were going after it
during Prohibition.
Oh, what was?

Speaker 3 (44:31):
the name of that movie Untouchables, untouchables
.
Yeah, it was the Untouchables.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Bro.
All right, so there's a scenein that movie where it was
either one of the federalofficers or one of the police,
or it was one of the people whowas on this crack team of people
that were cracking down onProhibition.
Yeah, but was it Dillinger, orwas it?
Who was it they were goingafter?
Who was that big mob boss theywere going after?

Speaker 3 (44:58):
I'm not sure of the exact guy.
I just know that it was allabout Prohibition.
Yeah, like Gotti or whoever itwas like.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
The mob bosses are going after.
Anyway, in the movie I digressthere's a scene where the guy
gets caught with a gun.
And this is one of the crooks,one of the bad guys gets caught
and he's got a gun.
Of course this is like I thinkit might have been New York City
and of course that's a bigno-no and has been for a long
time.
Oh, he's like, oh, I've got apermit for that and they pull it

(45:32):
out and sure's a.
It's a signed like affidavitfrom the judge, you know, saying
that this guy is allowed tohave a gun.
He had to give him his gun backand it's crazy, like you know
dang well the reason that thatguy was able to get signed off
by the judge just because he was, you know, involved in that
underbelly of crime, um, andeverything like that.
So it's just crazy like youalways go back to that movie and
you think, yeah, anyone, if youjust know the right people and
you're well connected enough,you can get a permanent security

(45:53):
Grease, the right palms, that'sright.
Grease the right palms.
All right, a couple of more ofthese comments here and we'll
move on, but I wanted to readsome because you guys all really
made some very good points andI wanted to share as many of
them as possible.
Cory.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Booker.
I apologize, I'm going to makea quick correction it was Cory
Booker, from New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Oh, cory Booker.
Well, he's a huge hypocrite.
That guy has always been a hugehypocrite.
All right, anthony Davis bringsup a really good point.
He said drones and opticsystems controlled by Palantir
that they're using in Gaza.
He said drones and opticsystems controlled by Palantir
that they're using in Gaza.
Whoo, now I don't really knowanything about the Gaza

(46:37):
situation in regards to Palantir, but I did a whole episode on
Palantir and how this sort ofdeep snooping and deep
surveillance state is a verydangerous state for us as
Americans.
And you mentioned drones andit's so crazy how you notice
that they're kind of laxing backon some of the long-standing
gun restrictions, right.
They're kind of talking aboutlaxing up on the short barreled

(47:00):
rifle stuff sbrs, sps,suppressors right.
So we fought really hard thisyear to try to get these items
completely removed from the NFA.
But starting in January, youstill have to register the given
item but there'll be no taxstamp.
So they did get the tax stampremoved.
So now you can have suppressorswith no tax stamp, and I

(47:23):
believe that does extend to SBRsand SBSs as well.
So at least the $200 tax stampis now out of the picture.
So we're still fighting thingson that front.
However, you notice that theyare trying to ease up and make
it easier for people to obtainthose types of items.
Well, why would they care lessabout that now than they did 20

(47:45):
or 30 years ago?
Why do they view, let's justsay, a person with a suppressor
is not so much an assassinanymore, it's just your average
person who just wants to shootquieter, right?
Why is that the case now,versus the way it was 30, 40
years ago?
Okay, why is that the case?
Well, reason is like hementioned the drones.
So what can you reallyreasonably do to combat a

(48:11):
massive swarm of drones thatwants to try to drop a bomb on
you?
So it's almost like they knowthey have people outgunned and
they don't really talk about it.
But if you go to these bigconferences, you go to these big
, especially law enforcementseminars and military seminars
where they're talking abouttactics, weapons and what they

(48:31):
really want to try to focus onthe most.
The only thing that they'retalking about right now is
drones and how to preventgetting killed.
Quit getting killed by them.
That's it how to combat dronesand how to make drones more
deadly.
That's all they care aboutright now is drones and how to
stop them and how to use thembetter.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
That's it, you know, what I find they're not talking
about machine guns.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
They're not talking about grenades and rocket
launchers.
They're talking about drones,because drones are the talk of
the town.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
It's the new, new and you know.
What I find funny is that youknow, despite what's going on in
Ukraine and Russia, betweenUkraine and for finding the
simplest solution to the mostcomplex problems, and this goes
back to when, you know, theRussian and US astronauts were

(49:22):
going into space and they wereup in space floating around in
the Mir space station orwhatever, like the different
space.
They were like cohabitatingright.
And America had spent, spent,you know, millions of dollars on
that little space pin, thosefamous little space pins with
their pressurized ink capsulesso it could write in space,
because gravity doesn't allowthe the ink to flow yeah and

(49:46):
america's like, no, we gotta, wegotta make this high speed,
cool pin.
So they the astronaut gets up inspace and they start like, yeah
, check out this pen man, thisthing will write in space.
And they start like, yeah,check out this pen, man, this
thing will write in space, it'llwrite upside down.
It's pressurized and theRussian cosmonaut is like why
don't you just use a pencil?
You know like you don't evenneed a pen, you just use a
pencil, write it with a penciland you're good to go.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Now in my mind.
Now listen, there might be onelogistical reason why you might
want to have a pen that canwrite in space versus a pencil.
You got to sharpen the pencil,so think about it.
Do you want all that dust anddo you want those debris
floating around?
So it's like maybe in theirmind they're thinking they need

(50:28):
something that's not going toproduce dust or debris.
You could clog the instrumentcluster.
So it's like there's anengineering reason for thinking
about why they do things.
But of course, the Russians arelike we'll just use a pencil.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
And then to fast forward, freaking 70 or 80 years
to now, these high-speed dronescoming in and they're trying to
figure out how they're going todefeat these drones.
And now they're just takingnets and hanging nets everywhere
defeat these drones.
And now they're just takingnets and hanging nets everywhere
.
So these drones are flying intothese nets and they're getting
caught like you're catching abutterfly, yeah, and they're
getting tangled up in, like likethe most low-cost solution

(51:04):
you'll see, like a thousanddollar drone just get tangled up
in nets and you know, sometimesthose, those rounds still set
off they do, but but at leastit's far enough away that maybe
you don't get hurt it's justlike the cages on the outside of
the vehicles, you know likewhen those rpgs are coming in,
yeah they're hitting.
They're hitting the, the cages,pinching the nose cone and yeah,
it'll go off, but it's outsideof you know of the they.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
They did change some of the rpg warheads to
counteract the cope cages alittle bit, but they're not as
prevalent.
Well, when we were in, theydefinitely weren't as prevalent
then, but they were trying tochange around to combat that.
It is wild, how necessity isthe mother of invention?
And you started to see thisfootage from Ukraine of these

(51:51):
drones and you think, wow, thatis so royally scary.
So, to go back to um, whichcomment was it Anthony's?
To go back to Anthony's comment, drones are absolutely
terrifying.
And if I could think of onething that the second amendment
has as a challenge is that wealways are so you know, focused

(52:12):
on guns and ammo and small armswhen we should be thinking well,
should we be draftinglegislation?
Should we be pushing ourpoliticians to protect drone use
for civilians, our ability touse them for surveillance, our
ability to use them to get eyesin the sky and see what's going
on, our ability to evenweaponize those drones?
Is a weaponized drone protectedunder the Second Amendment?

(52:37):
So that is something that youknow.
Ultimately, we have to acceptthat.
Are we going to let them have amonopoly on violence?
Or are we going to say, hey, ifsomeone wants to 3D print
drones or whatever, or if theywant to purchase a drone and
weaponize it, should they beable to weaponize it?
Should a drone be able to haveyour AR attached to it or a

(52:57):
full-auto pistol or somethinglike that, or even you know, an
explosive device?
Should we be able to standtoe-to-toe with people who would
use drones against us?
We?
You know, when you look at thewar in Ukraine with Russia and
Ukraine, really what it comesdown to is who has the most of
everything, Whoever has the mostdrones, whoever has the most
bombs, the most of this, themost of that.

(53:19):
It's more about resources.
So can the civilian populationactually stand toe-to-toe with a
giant industrial complex thathas millions of drones to year
one?
I mean, is that something thatwe should at least have the
ability to use the sametechnology?
They have to protect ourselves,and I think that's a scary

(53:43):
realization that a lot of peopleare not ready to have that
discussion.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Well, they've already started to crack down on the
drone ownership and the abilityto utilize drones with the FAA
registry.
So now if you get a drone andyou want to fly it above a
certain elevation or altitude,you have to get a license to do
so with the FAA, which, whenthat first came out, almost well

(54:10):
, I know a few drone companieswent out of business and DJI is,
you know, one of the largest,if not the largest, drone
manufacturer, um, or importer,depending on you know how you
look at it, because they doimport quite a bit.
Um.
You know they had stockpiles ofdrones which I'm sure wound up

(54:30):
in ukraine but um, because theyweren't able to sell them here.
But that held up a lot of dronepurchases because you had to
get like a faa certification inorder to fly these drones, um,
so it was affecting a lot ofbusinesses like yeah, I remember
that like drone photography,like, uh, wedding photography,

(54:51):
what like all kinds of stuff.
Yeah, um, isn't that wild.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
It is man, I remember that when they first started
introducing the FFA requirements, it was like, all right, now
you can't fly them over acertain distance in the air.
I mean, I get it, they don'twant planes running into them.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Line of sight.
You can't let them go out ofline of sight.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Liability I understand, but I mean, come on
requiring an FFA certificationto take pictures of a freaking
house for a real estate agent.
Come on, how dumb it's.
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Speaker 2 (56:58):
So any final thoughts .
I know we went over a lot ofcommentary.
We went over some of thepolitical struggles.
We went over some of thecultural struggles.
Sometimes we are our own worstenemy in the 2A community.
We scrutinize each other.
We're at each other's throats.
Admittedly, I'm guilty of that.
Believe me, I've called peopleout before.
I'm no angel.

(57:19):
But what do you think?
Any closing thoughts from you,matt, I know you've been taking
some notes over there.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Yeah, I mean, I'll just like because I have a thing
where I just kind of take notesIf you're saying something, and
I don't want to stop you, Idon't want to interrupt your,
your thoughts, so I'll just kindof jot something down, so that
way when, whenever you finishyour your thought, I can just
jump in there.
Um, as far as, um, you knowfinal thoughts, I would.
I think that you nailed it whenyou said the two-way community

(57:47):
can be one of the mostcannibalistic communities that
I've ever seen.
Uh, they do have a tendency tojump on, you know, the back of
others if they don't agree 100%with what they believe.
I've never actually quite seensomething that bad.
So it could even go to thepoint where it's like oh, I

(58:07):
believe in the Second Amendment,but I don't think that this
should be part of it, and thenthey'll just get absolutely
eviscerated instead of saying,well, hey, I agree with this,
but I don't agree with that.
Um, I would say continue tofight the good fight, don't
don't have the mindset of youknow, the second amendment is
losing ground.
I think that we've alreadyshown that the second amendment

(58:29):
is again right now, currently isthe strongest it's ever been.
What we need to do now is takethose wins and that momentum and
keep going and keep fightingfor more.
What's next?
All right, so tax stamps yeah,it sucks that we still have to
register it.
Tax is gone.
Now let's get rid of theregistry.
Maybe that's going to happen inthe next session, maybe it'll

(58:51):
happen in two years.
It took five years for that.
I think they've been trying toget the hearing protection act
going for the last five or sixyears and I was uh I was
ecstatic when it finally made itto the floor and got voted on,
cause it always gets shut downlike stripped from the bill
every time before it made it tothe floor.
So that's awesome.
Um, is it awesome?
You have to register?

(59:12):
No, no, but you know we canstill work on it it's a step in
the right, step in the rightdirection, you know.
Next, we have nfa.
We can get some nfa itemsremoved.
Maybe abolish the nfa, maybeabolish, you know, the the need
for registering destructivedevices, who knows?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
yeah, yeah I mean, don't throw the baby out with
the bathwater y'all.
I understand that things arestressful and, look, it's not
stressful for some people, right?
Some people just kind of rideon the coattails of life and
they don't think about the finerminutia of some of the things
that are going on, such as theSecond Amendment ramifications,

(59:50):
first Amendment ramifications,fourteenth Amendment
ramifications, fourth Amendmentramifications and everything in
between.
So I understand that life ishard and we're all struggling.
Right now.
Many of us are having a hardtime, you know, just staying
afloat, and I get it.
I know things are hard.
Food costs are up, lots ofthings are up for many people.
Housing costs are up.

(01:00:10):
You know, taxes are crazy, Iget it.
But it's important that we staypolitically engaged, that we
stay politically responsible andthat we you know we beat the
horn or beat the drum hard weblow the horn and beat the drum
hard and make sure that whenthere's an issue, that we show
up and that we hold these peopleaccountable for their inaction.

(01:00:32):
Okay, and that's very important.
I mean, right now, a lot ofwhat we are facing is inaction,
not so much action.
So it's just important to makesure that we're staying on top
of everything and we're stayingpolitically engaged.
I know it's hard, but Iappreciate those of you that
stay with their ear to theground and listening for what's

(01:00:53):
going on and and always, youknow, warning people when things
come up, and I try my best tostay on top of things.
It's not always easy becausethere's a lot of things going on
and that's no excuse.
Being busy is no excuse.
But I will tell you, um Jaredover at guns and gadgets, if you
follow his channel, he does apretty dang good job of keeping
people abreast of things thatare going on pretty much in real

(01:01:16):
time to a scary degree.
Like he kind of knows aboutthings before some of us do, and
that's.
That's scary, right, but uh,jared's channel's great.
Check out guns and gadgets.
I just hung out within thislike last weekend had dinner.
Great guy, very humble, veryknowledgeable Scholar.
He puts out a lot of greatcontent in regards to news and

(01:01:37):
updates in terms of legislativestuff.
So keep that in mind.
So many more podcasts on theway.
I really appreciate you guystuning in.
We've got tons of stuff on theway.
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Uh, so your go-to source forall things normal in a world
gone mad, I mean more or less so, uh, matt anything else where
we head on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Nope, I do know that I was actually going through
some stuff and I found a cacheof ballistic ink shirts brand
new.
So what we're going to do is,in the future episodes, we're
going to start pulling from thecomments, we're going to pick a
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How many shirts are we talking?
I mean, there's quite a bit,not a metric ton, but there's a
few there that I think you guyswould really enjoy and they're
no longer in circulation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I'll put that comment out now so we can go ahead and
start getting some comments fromyou guys.
I'll think of something clever,but anyway you'll see it on
Twitter.
All right, many more on the way.
Thank you, guys, so much.
Have a great week.
We'll see you next Monday.
Bye, everybody.

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