LLP Ep133: Armed Society is a Polite Society: Debunking Anti-Gun Myths

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The Second Amendment divides Americans like few other issues, with both sides often speaking past each other in frustration. In this thought-provoking episode, Eric and Matt take on the challenging task of understanding the fundamental disconnect between pro-gun and anti-gun perspectives, addressing misconceptions from both sides of the debate.

At the heart of the discussion lies a surprising revelation: most pro-gun advocates don't view anti-gunners as evil or irrational, but rather as victims of misinformation and manipulated statistics. The hosts meticulously break down how crime data is often presented without proper context—including how "youth shooting statistics" frequently include 18-21 year olds, and how police-involved shootings are counted in general gun violence numbers despite being a separate category entirely.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn when examining the urban-rural divide in gun perspectives. Why do densely populated cities with strict gun laws often experience higher crime rates than areas with widespread gun ownership? How does the psychological impact of urban living influence perceptions of self-defense and personal responsibility? These questions reveal deeper cultural and philosophical differences that go beyond simple policy disagreements.

Perhaps most compelling is the hosts' genuine attempt to extend understanding rather than condemnation toward those with anti-gun views. "You're not a bad person if you're anti-gun and you don't have the mentality of survival," Eric notes, emphasizing that the pro-gun position isn't about forcing everyone to carry firearms, but rather preserving the right for those who choose to take responsibility for their own protection.

Whether you're firmly pro-gun, staunchly anti-gun, or somewhere in between, this episode offers valuable insights into one of America's most contentious cultural conversations. Tune in to challenge your assumptions and gain a deeper understanding of perspectives you might not encounter in your daily life.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt and thisis Life, liberty and the Pursuit
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Tune in every Monday for a newepisode as we dive into the
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome back everybody.
This is Eric and Matt here withLLP.
I hope everybody has had agreat week and today we're
coming at you with a new episodehere.
Llp is your home for all thingssane in a world gone completely
mad.
So thanks for tuning back in,and on today's show we're going
to be discussing trying tounderstand gun owners from an

(00:34):
anti-gun perspective and viceversa.
Not that I'm anti-gun, but thisis essentially me trying to
understand the anti-gunperspective and me trying to
articulate the perspective of apro-gun person, which Matt and I
both are, to someone who ispotentially anti-gun.
I mean, I would encouragesomeone who is not necessarily

(00:55):
pro-gun to listen to today'sepisode, because you might
actually learn something aboutgun owners and you might
understand what our perspectiveis in terms of how we view you
as someone who's an anti-gunner.
That's kind of the goal oftoday's show, more or less.
Now we are going to get intosome other things and also did
put out another Twitter commentrequesting commentary from you

(01:17):
guys on what you think are someof the biggest pet peeves you
have against those that we wouldperceive as anti-gun.
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(03:07):
know when we record the shows.
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Matt what his week has been like, so we have to pretend it's
next week.
I don't know if y'all know thatEvery other show is a cruel
facade of reality.
However, here we are and we'rewell caffeinated and we're ready
to dive into today's subject.

(03:28):
And it's funny before westarted recording today's show
or this particular second showfor the day, we were kind of
talking about some of these petpeeves that we have with
anti-gunners and why we can'tseem to just understand where
they're coming from and try tofind some common ground, which

(03:51):
is very difficult because peopleview people who are pro-gun.
You know they really do view theSecond Amendment as a very
important, almost kind of quasilike you know I hate to call it
like this religious institution,but it's almost a moral high
ground that they choose to take,more so than it is anything
else.
It's not about being legal ornot.
For them it's not about beingsomething that's enshrined in

(04:15):
some document.
For them it is a moralundertaking, a principled
undertaking, something that theyview as a personal
responsibility to protect theirlivelihood, to protect
themselves, to protect theirfamilies, ultimately their
communities and ultimately theircountry in the end.
So you have to understand, ifyou are an anti-gun person, that

(04:39):
it is a deeply rooted and verypassionate thing for many
Americans who have been gunowners for generations.
Our grandpas owned guns, ourgreat grandpas owned guns and
their grandpa before them ownedguns.
So for us it's amulti-generational undertaking
that we've always been involvedin.
So you have to understand it iscultural.

(04:59):
The Second Amendment is verycultural.
In the United States it is verymuch a part of who we are,
where we came from, how thiscountry was even founded.
So before you draw the stinkeye against gun owners, remember
that many of us are verypassionate about the Second
Amendment for very specificreasons and you know, I want to

(05:20):
try to understand where peopleare coming from on both sides of
the equation.
Want to try to understand wherepeople are coming from on both
sides of the equation and Ithink that a person who is truly
in tune with you know theirmaturity level as a person and
their ability to accept scrutinyand to deliver that scrutiny
and do it with grace and do itin a way where they're
open-minded about everyconversation that they get into.

(05:42):
I think that's where peoplereally need to be in society.
It's easy to say, well, you'resimply wrong and I'm simply
right and nothing that you eversay is going to change my mind.
Now don't get me wrong when itcomes to the Second Amendment,
through very much research andobservation, and know my opinion

(06:02):
has developed very much over along period of time that I have
scrutinized every little aspectthat I possibly can, everything
from crime data to statisticsrelated to guns.
To you know gun ownershipnumbers.
Who owns guns, who doesn't?
How many people own guns?
How many guns are in existencein America and are owned by the

(06:24):
general public?
What the militaries of theworld own in terms of guns.
I mean, I have studied andlooked at every little random
fact and statistic that you canpossibly imagine when it comes
to gun ownership the good, thebad, the ugly and everything in
between, everything that you, asan anti-gunner, that you think
you know about guns.

(06:44):
I know it 10 times more thanyou, I can promise Okay, because
what person who is pro-gun canbe pro-gun without having looked
into the eye of every littlenasty statistic that is ever
thrown around at the pro-gunside?
The fact of the matter is thatthe facts are on our side, the

(07:06):
statistics are on our side, theanti-gun side.
Okay, if you're anti-gun, I'mnot trying to scrutinize you or
give you a hard time.
The anti-gun side loves to cookdata and they love to
manipulate data to make a pointthat they're trying to make, but
it's an ill-gotten point.
It's a dishonest point, pointthat they're trying to make, but

(07:27):
it's an ill-gotten point.
It's a dishonest point.
And the bad thing about it is,if you are anti-gun, you're
actually sort of a victim ofthis whole situation, because
essentially what happens is youare spoon-fed all of this data
and these statistics that do notline up with the actual reality
of what is really happening andwhat has happened.
And the problem is is youaccept this narrative as fact.

(07:48):
But the actual truth is infront of you and if you accept
the truth for what it is, yourealize that in areas where
there's higher amounts of gunownership is actually a much
safer place to be.
When you look at these let'sjust say for better lack of a
term Democrat controlled cities,right, you look at these major

(08:09):
metropolitan areas, major cities, where they have Democrat
leadership, really strict guncontrol, lots of laws on the
books, and they basically makeit extremely difficult for
people to own guns in thosesorts of municipalities.
What do you see?
You see increased crime,increased violence.
You see the exact opposite ofwhat those laws are intended to

(08:34):
accomplish.
And why is that?
Because criminals do not obeylaws.
Hello, if you make it hard forthe average everyday person to
protect themselves and theircommunities they live in every
day, well, guess what?
It is a breeding ground forcrime and for bad people to go
about their business and conducttheir business, which is crime

(08:55):
against the populace.
So you would think, in light ofthat very verifiable and
immovable data, that people wholive in those types of places
and vote Democrat would go, waita minute.
This leadership has it allwrong and maybe we need to
change our leadership and getsome more pro-gun legislation on
the books so we can all protectourselves and this crime will

(09:18):
end up going back down.
Of course, john Lott and manyothers over the years have done
numerous studies on crimesrelated to guns and really just
crime in general.
If you remove guns from theequation, crime in general and
where crime occurs the most isin areas where firearms
restrictions are the highestRight.

(09:38):
Where do these mass murdersoccur?
They occur in gun free zones,places where a would-be killer
knows dang well.
They're not going to see anysort of resistance from a gun
owner, so they choose that typeof environment, knowing that
they can carry out whatevermayhem they choose to.
Now I'm just scratching thesurface, but the point is that

(10:01):
gun owners have the facts andstatistics at their back.
Right, we bring the receipts.
Okay, if you're anti-gun, all Iwould ask you to think in the
back of your mind is you know,maybe we actually know what
we're talking about.
You may be very passionateabout your hatred of guns, and
that's fine.
I respect your passion, butunderstand that this is not an

(10:23):
emotional discussion.
You can have your thoughtsabout whether or not society
should be armed.
Whether they shouldn't, that'sall fine, but the data always
points to an armed society is apolite society.
That is irrefutably a concreteand immovable fact.
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Matt, I think you really did a great job of
articulating kind of the mindsetof the typical anti-gunner and
the motives of the establishmenton how they can persuade those
anti-gunners to vote a certainway.

(11:03):
It's very true, most peoplethat are anti-gun that I've run
into are actually very logicalpeople.
I've had great conversationswith them and I've been able to
actually change a few minds whenthey have a conversation with
me about it, because they'relogical people.
The only reason they wereanti-gun is because of the

(11:25):
reasons that you said, eric.
They are doing research orthey're being provided
information that is incorrect orskewed.
You look at they come from aplace of emotion.

(11:46):
So they start looking at likeyouth gun shooting statistics
and they don't realize that agreat majority of those are 18
year olds.
So when you start looking atyouth statistics, how is it that
an 18 year old and even there'ssome that are including 21 year
olds into that youth categorythose aren't kids, those aren't
youth.
I don't know where you guyscome from, but in Georgia 18 is

(12:07):
an adult.
You're going to big boy jail at18.
You should not be included inthe youth statistics.
Another good example is totaldefensive shootings from police.
When you look at the actualdata offensive shootings from
police.
When you look at the actualdata, they don't filter out the

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fact that a majority of thoseshootings are police-involved
shootings, that's the policeofficer defending themselves
from the shooting.
So that's also included.
Suicides are included in that.
So when you start looking atall of this data, that's not
really filtered.
Now can you filter it?
Yes, there are options therethat you can dig deeper, filter

(12:50):
out all this other noise and getthe numbers you want, but it's
not easy and the majority ofpeople don't do that.
They take it for face value.
If they see youth gun shootingstatistics as a title and then
they see a number, that's whatthey're going to believe.
They're not going to say well,let me just dig a little bit
deeper, because in their eyesthey're not experienced.

(13:11):
They don't know what they'relooking for, and that's by
design.
You brought up another goodpoint about blue states having a
higher crime rate.
That's because the criminalsknow that they're not going to
get shot.
If you're in Chicago and you'rein your car jacking somebody,

(13:33):
it's so hard to get a firearmthere and even a license good
luck You're.
You can open a car door andpull someone out and you're not
worried about you having a gunpushed in your face.
You try that in Georgia orNorth Carolina or carolina or
south carolina or florida orflorida man, you pull on a door,
handle in here, good night, allright, it's not gonna.
It's a completely differentball game.

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And then criminals know that.
So it's just, it's a.
It's a matter of them not havingany fear to to commit these
crimes.
And that's why you start seeingstuff in California it's like
oh, they have to put signsoutside of all the stores
posting $950 threshold.
There's literally like where itused to say no parking fire

(14:17):
lane.
You would see those little noparking fire lane signs.
They remove those and they putup signs that look like that,
that say over $950 is a felony.
So they're just letting thepeople know before they walk in
the store.
You can steal up to $950 or$958 or $948, $9, whatever, and

(14:42):
you can just walk out the doorand it's a misdemeanor crime.
You don't see that in statesthat are predominantly easy to
get one constitutional carry,because you have Georgia, north
Carolina are constitutionalcarry states.
South Carolina is a shall issue.
Alabama, florida, I believe, isconstitutional carry.

(15:05):
If not, there it's a shallissue as well.
So these are all states thatare very pro two-way for the
most part, and they have verygood stand your ground laws as
well.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
You always notice how it's so hard to carry a gun in
places where the crime ishighest.
Yeah, you know, you would thinkthat those data points would
cause those governments to goall right, wait a minute, we see
this works in other placeswhere people can carry guns and
the crime is, of course, wayless.
Well, why wouldn't we want that?

(15:38):
Because it allows them to havecontrol over violence.
They want monopoly on violence,and that's very much a leftist
tactic is for them to.
You know, they cause theproblem, which they then, in
turn, deliver the solution for,but they cause the problem in
the first place.
So, but notice, they always havethis perfectly picked solution,

(15:58):
right?
Oh, we need more police, weneed more.
So see, their idea is to expandgovernment.
So they want to make theresponsibilities of government
greater and the responsibilitiesof the everyday citizen less
and less and less, and having todefer their safety to them.
So it's not so much that theydon't want you to be safe, they
just want to be the only peoplewho have the capacity for

(16:19):
violence.
And of course, we see that inpractice that doesn't work.
Oh no.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Anyway, I just wanted to mention that.
Yeah, no, you're right, becausethey're not even good at it.
It would be one thing if thegovernment stepped in and said,
hey, we'll protect you and we'llbe the arbiter of your
protection, and they're good atit.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah the crime was low.
Yeah, there was no crime.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, but they're not .
They're far from it, so much sothat in fact they're terrible
at it, one could saynon-existent.
Because even here in georgia,where they have I mean nothing
against georgia, nothing against, you know, atlanta, alpharetta,
roswell, milton, dunwoody, thatwhole area, that's a little bit

(17:02):
of a more affluent area youstill have good response times,
but they're definitely notgetting there in time to where
you can't handle it yourself,right, and I mean it's just.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
You are your own first responder.
ladies and gentlemen, and thenyou know it's so wild.
So how do we, as pro-gun people, think of anti-gunners?
What is our view of theanti-gun mindset, the anti-gun
mentality?
I have tried very hard intoday's episode to articulate in

(17:37):
the most logical way possiblemy viewpoint as a pro-gun person
and why I respectfully thinkthat the anti-gun mentality is a
flawed mentality.
I'm not going to blame you forthinking the way you do, but
what do all of our fellow gunowners think?
Well, I put out a message onTwitter, as I alluded to earlier
.
You want to go through a fewcomments?

(17:57):
Yes, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
While you look those up, I'm just going to give you a
real quick mental image.
When you said, what dopro-gunners think of
anti-gunners?
And literally the first thingthat pops into my head is that
David Hogg picture where he'sstanding at the podium with his
hand in the air, where he's likebiting his bottom lip that is

(18:21):
like the mental image that popsinto my head.
Totally.
It's pretty gross.
I don't wish that image uponanybody, but I know Lisa is
going to flash it on the screenfor everybody to see the
question was.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
What are some things that you, as a pro-gun person,
are annoyed by the most withanti-gunners?
Let's go here we go Everything2A says, only hearing the
negatives of firearms and neverthe overwhelming more positives.
All they do is tell one side ofthe story to fit their
narrative.
Okay, that's true.
Again, manipulating data,manipulating statistics, only

(18:56):
reporting one side.
And look, the media isextremely complicit.
Social media talking heads areextremely complicit in, you know
, parroting a narrative that isonly half truth.
They never show the positiveside, they never show the good
side.
When a single mother protectsherself from an invasion, home

(19:20):
invasion or something, or when asingle mother protects herself
from a jealous ex-husband who'strying to cause her harm, or
something like that, or, youknow, it could be anyone who is
in a situation where they needto protect themselves.
So, mike Collins, right hereout of Georgia he is running for
Senate and, wow, that's greatfor him to weigh in he says

(19:42):
simply ignorance.
So, again, you can really boilthis all down to ignorance.
You have a couple of choices.
As an anti-gunner, okay, andthis is just my view here you
can be willfully ignorant.
You can choose to be ignorant,right?
You can be insane.
You can be evil.
What would you choose to be?

(20:03):
You're not evil, you're notinsane.
Maybe some of you are, ifthat's what you want to be.
But I really strongly want tobelieve that just because you're
anti-gun doesn't mean thatyou're a bad person.
It just means you're ignorantto the facts, right.
So willful ignorance can becured, we can fix that right.
So if you're ignorant, fix it,learn what's going on and

(20:28):
understand the truth about gunownership and I think you'll
find yourself kind of, at leaststarting to go wait a minute.
Maybe I was wrong about this.
And look, it doesn't make usbad people to get some new
information and go wait a minute.
I was wrong about this for thisperiod of time.
And, believe me, I'm the kindof person I try to be very

(20:50):
astute in my observations.
If somewhere down the line Igot this wrong.
As a pro kind of person, I tryto be very astute in my
observations.
If somewhere down the line Igot this wrong as a pro-gun
person, does that mean that Iwould change my mind and change
my view on guns?
If the evidence wasoverwhelming and damning and if
I was somehow misinformed, maybethe answer would be yes, but I
cannot logically bring myself tothe point of seeing it any

(21:13):
other way, because there is noother way.
The facts and the statisticsand the history and traditions
and everything that we are asAmericans is intimately tied to
the Second Amendment and there'sjust no way I could ever, you
know, go shy of that.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
OK, no, you know, go shy of that.
Okay, no, you know, eric.
That reminded me of when yousaid that.
That reminded me of, you know,when I was growing up and my mom
informed me of the differencebetween ignorance and stupidity,
and that's kind of where Ifirst learned that, at when they
, when she said you know, you'renot stupid, you're just
ignorant.
And ignorant just means thatyou don't know.

(21:52):
What you don't know Now.
The difference is, if you doknow and you're choosing to not
do it now, you're just stupid.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, I mean you should be armed with the best
knowledge available and to lookat it just completely black and
white.
Remove the emotion from thesituation and just look at it
from its bare and white.
Remove the emotion from thesituation and just look at it
from its bare bone facts andstatistics and you'll find, wow,
gun owners actually not thatbad people at all as a whole.
All right, freeman says thenomenclature used in their

(22:23):
arguments.
It would be one thing if theyjust didn't know.
But most of them refuse tolearn the difference between
automatic and semi-automatic.
Well, my view is that everyoneshould be able to have machine
guns.
So to me there's no distinctionbetween semi-auto and full auto
, because for me it should allbe kosher, we should all be able
to have whatever machine gunswe want.

(22:44):
But yes, it is annoying whenthey try to make some
articulated, educated pointabout something and it's simply
just factually wrong.
Look, if you're anti-Gunner andyou're watching this, if you
are going to try to make anargument against a point that I
would try to make, at least getyour facts straight, get your
nomenclature straight.
But see, the problem is, if thenomenclature is straight, if

(23:04):
the facts are straight, if theterminology is straight.
Now their argument falls flatdown on its face because it has
nowhere to go.
So they have to cook everythinga little bit to make it fit the
narrative they're trying toportray.
Oh yes, agreed, let's see.
Thomas Guzman says theyfrequently know nothing about

(23:24):
guns.
Some of them think that a 5.56from an AR is more powerful than
a .308 out of a bolt action.
No joke.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
This happens all the time.
You know they they because theyjudge the round by the weapon
that is coming out of.
And if you put them side byside, an AR, a decked out AR,
looks a lot more powerful than abolt action 308.
So in their eyes, oh, it has tobe more powerful.
This thing's got a holographicsight and a bipod and a

(23:54):
suppressor and 30 round magazineand nice quad rail.
So, yes, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Inconvenient, ash says, their unwillingness to
learn and research about gunsand the arguments that they try
to make.
Totally that lines up with manyof the criticisms that many of
us pro-gunners have with theother side of the camp and how
they feel about guns.
And uh, it's crazy if you'retrying to debate somebody,
especially a more educatedperson, let's say a person who's

(24:24):
highly educated, maybe they'rereally smart people but they
just happen to have the anti-gunmentality.
You know a lot of thesearguments.
They fall on their face soquickly and you can tell they
get so upset so quickly whenthey realize that their
arguments are so easily defeated.
Now these people are reallysmart.
They have to go out of theirway to really articulate the lie

(24:47):
and when you defeat the lie sosimply, they really lose their
minds and they can't handle itbecause they're just not used to
dealing with that level ofarticulation from the opposite
side of the spectrum.
And you ever notice too on TV.
Okay, if they ever bringsomeone, a conservative person,
on TV to, let's just say, have afair debate with someone on

(25:09):
that side of the aisle, youalways notice they always get
someone who is not experiencedbeing on TV and they're timid,
they don't want to argue.
They feel like they want to getinvited back, so they don't
want to push back too much onwhat the person is talking about
.
They choose those people onpurpose, knowing that maybe
they're going to be a little bitsoft-handed when it comes to

(25:30):
their rebuttals, to the argument.
It's a tactic.
Jason Anderson says that theywill use seatbelts, airbags for
protection and, just in case,for safety.
But when shopping movies,dinner, going to the park, nah,
we're fine, we don't need a gun.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, that's a good way to look at it too.
That's a pretty fair argument.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Let's see Alex Andrews says refusal to even go
to a range and see one of theguns they want to ban be shot.
Trying to explain semi-auto isa pain, but actually showing
them or, better yet, having themshoot it themselves instantly
gets them to understand what theterm actually means Again.
That's you know the ignorancefactor, them just not knowing,

(26:13):
and yeah, that reminds me of.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
I don't know who it was, it was a reporter, but they
were on, they were doing a newssegment and they were hacking
off the barrel of the rifle onthe news and they had absolutely
no idea that they justcommitted a felony because
they're ignorant of the actuallaws that they're trying to
felony because they're ignorantof the actual laws that they're
trying to pass.
There's so much so that they'rebreaking the laws on TV.

(26:36):
It was insane, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Again, I'm not going to read every individual comment
, but here I am just scrollingthrough a couple.
And the reoccurring theme isignorance, their lack of simple
basic knowledge of firearms,their general ignorance, along
with their insistence to speakloudly regardless of their
ignorance, refusal toacknowledge that nobody's coming
to help you.

(26:59):
I mean again, it's just crazyif you look at that, ignorance
is the reoccurring theme in whatpro-gunners have to say about
the anti-gun side, what progunners have to say about the
anti-gun side.
And you know, what's crazy isthere is a lot of people on that
side of the aisle that are veryintelligent, well-to-do,
well-meaning people who they,they really, their hearts are in

(27:21):
the right place.
They mean well, they want, youknow, to actually move the
needle in some way towards asafer world.
I mean to be fair, they waytowards a safer world.
I mean to be fair, they meanwell, but the problem is is the
reality behind what they thinkis going to solve?
The problem is just simply notrooted in the actual, real
answer that we have in front ofus for what we actually need to

(27:45):
accomplish.
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Let's see Again.
They never know what they'retalking about.
You know emotional thinking notgrounded in logic,

(28:35):
fundamentally the lack ofobjectivity and nuance.
You know emotional arguments,lying, ignorance Again same
thing, same thing the distortionand dissemination of false
information.
I mean cognitive dissonance,lack of knowledge.

(28:56):
I'm reading these comments thisis what pro-gunners think of
anti-gunners.
So if you're an anti-gun personand you are ignorant to the
facts about how good gunsactually are for a civilized
society, a high trust society,then you're choosing to be
willfully ignorant.
And that is how pro-gun peopleview you is that you're

(29:19):
willfully ignorant.
So do you really want to bewillfully ignorant.
I mean, is the end goal for youdisarming everyone that doesn't
think the way you do?
Is it really worth walkingaround knowing that you're lying
about the facts?
Many people lie Now.
Sometimes it's just they don'tknow any better.
That's just what they've beentold and they don't do any

(29:40):
further research.
That's okay.
I'm not going to hold itagainst someone who doesn't know
the difference.
But a lot of people view it asthat they're making a willful
decision to just simply ignorethe reality of the facts for
their own convenience of beingable to tow whatever political
line they want to tow in termsof gun ownership, which is scary

(30:03):
.
That's not something we shouldbe okay with as a society.
I think we should do better.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
It's very scary.
And every single one of thosecomments all said the same thing
.
They all had the same ideas asto what the problem is, and the
number one thing that I heardwas ignorance.
And then the second thing wasemotional.
They love to base their entireconversation, their dissonance,

(30:34):
over emotion, and that'spersonally what I see.
It'll always fall onto oh, if itwas your kid in that school, if
it was your parents in thatrestaurant that got shot up, if
it was yours, like yes, but itwasn't.
And the fact of the matter isis that I have to be okay with

(30:56):
making that decision, to say,well, even if that was the case,
I would still be okay with it.
And I'm gonna use the exampleof the father.
There was that girl that was avictim in the school shooting
and the father still came outand was like, hey, I still
believe in the Second Amendmentas a father to a daughter.

(31:18):
That's a tough thing to do, man, that is very tough.
And I give him a lot of creditfor standing for what he
believes in and not using it asa.
He's not placing the blame ontoit, onto what happened, onto
the Second Amendment.
It could have been anybody, butthat wasn't the case here and

(31:41):
that's unfortunate.
Emotion drives a lot of thedecisions, but the biggest thing
that I see as well is theamount of mental gymnastics that
they always have to jumpthrough in order to prove their
point.
Mental gymnastics meaning theygive you the statistics, they

(32:02):
give you the metrics, and thenthey have to jump through all of
these hoops as to why theybelieve that that's the case,
even when you prove them wrong.
So they brought up, you knowyouth shooting statistics and
you know I drill down in thespreadsheet and say, no, let's
remove the 18 to 21 year olds,let's remove, you know, the

(32:23):
non-gang related shootings.
And they're like well, it'sstill this, it's still that.
They're just.
It's really hard to have a realconversation with somebody that
isn't willing to concede atleast some part of the argument.
Because, there's going to be apoint in time where you have to
acknowledge that the otherperson has a good point, and

(32:46):
this happens in all debates, ithappens in all conversations.
If someone's going to make agood point, eventually, and you
have to.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Even the anti-gunners might even slip in an
occasional point.
That does make sense, and ithappens all the time.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
And if you are unwilling to concede that and
just say, hey man, that's a goodpoint.
I don't really have an answerfor it right now, but let's work
around that and we'll keepmoving on to something else.
It doesn't have to be like oh,that's the, that's the winning
blow, that's the knockout blow,cause it's not about like the

(33:18):
knockout punch.
That's what they're looking for.
They're like end ofconversation, full stop.
I'm like, but we just started.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
It's funny how, in that you know the crime data and
the crime statistics, and whenthe anti-gunners always use
those statistics, they'll eveninclude police shootings in that
data.
Yes, yes, so you're talking.
Wait a minute.
You mean to tell me lawenforcement shot somebody and
that contributes to.
You're going to include that asa gun violence statistic, but

(33:45):
then, in the same breath, you'regoing to say that only the
police should have guns, thatcivilians shouldn't have guns,
that the police are always thereto protect you, but yet you're
going to include what they do tosociety as part of that.
You're going to try to convinceeveryone that part of the
reason the world is violent isbecause the police are shooting
people too.

(34:05):
Now, objectively, that is truebecause you know, yeah, a cop
killing somebody is still a copkilling somebody.
But generally in our society wesort of accept that if we're
going to pass the torch ofviolence over to a designated
person to handle our violencefor us in the form of law
enforcement, that when they actout it's because it is to save

(34:28):
their life or someone aroundthem, it's a defensive situation
or in defense of their own lifeand liberty and their own.
You know, they want to go hometo their families, just like
anyone else.
I mean, we want to believe thatwhen a cop shoots somebody,
that they deserve it right, thatthey're doing society a favor
that they're doing.
Something that we do not wantto take on ourselves and I think
the truth is is that there'sactually a line somewhere in

(34:53):
between where everyone can meetRight.
There are many cops out therethat they don't want civilians
owning guns, because you knowthey want to be the designated.
You know they want, they wantto be the ones who have a
monopoly on violence and theywant to be the ones designated
to carry out violence and intheir mind they view that, oh,
they're trained, you're not Getout of our way, let us do our

(35:14):
jobs.
Maybe they police in an areawith a lot of crime, maybe
they've had a negative run inwith a law abiding citizen who's
just trying to do the rightthing and maybe didn't end up
working out well.
Maybe they just have an elitistattitude.
No matter what their attitudeis, that's their attitude,
that's how they feel, and wecan't take that away from them.
But then, okay, you see, inother situations, there's lots

(35:35):
of police out there who love theidea that the population is
armed because it cuts down oncrime, because they know the
truth about statistics and theyknow that an armed society is a
polite society and that the morepeople are armed in their
jurisdiction, the less stuffthey're going to have to deal
with.
So again, there's room in themiddle for everybody, right?

(35:56):
Like it's okay to say I don'twant to deal with this situation
.
I want to defer you know, myability to carry out violence
and give it to someone else.
You know I want, I want thecops to handle it.
Hey, if there's something badgoing on, I'm not going to
intervene, I'm going to call thepolice.

(36:16):
If you're that person, that'sokay.
I'm not even saying that you'rea bad person.
If you don't want to intervenein a situation, I think it's a
victim mentality and I don'tthink you should have that
mentality and I would encourageyou to maybe think a little bit
more proactively.
That's just me, but I'm notgoing to sit here and say that I
require you, as an anti-gunner,to own a gun and respond to a
situation in kind or to seek outtraining and become proficient

(36:37):
with a firearm.
If you don't want to be,nobody's saying you got to own a
gun.
If you don't want to, if you'rean anti-gunner and you want to
defer your problems to thepolice, by all means call the
freaking police.
That's what they're for.
That's their job.
You've done your due diligenceas a citizen and you've reported
a crime.
Hurrah, now escape to safetyand let someone else deal with
it.
If that's what you want to do,that's fine.

(36:57):
You are allowed to do that.
Where a lot of us draw issuewith that is that it's not good
enough for you.
You have to say well, we haveto pass legislation, we have to
pass laws that make it moredifficult for someone who does
want to carry a gun to be ableto protect themselves and carry
a gun on a day-to-day basis.
So what's wrong with mecarrying a gun because I choose

(37:17):
to, you not carrying a gunbecause you don't want to?
You can call the police if youwant.
Why don't you call the policewhile I respond to the problem?
And somewhere in there we'regoing to solve the problem.
Right, you're safe, I'm safe,cops are safe.
No one, no one's harmed in thatsituation.
I mean, if you don't want tohave the ability to to carry out

(37:39):
violence against somebody, thatyou don't have to, no one's
saying you have to own a gun.
You don't have to, you know.
But the issue many of us takeis that we do, we want to have
the ability.
You know, yeah, the governmentmay may have a monopoly on
violence, but we own someproperties on that board, right?
If someone lands on ourproperty on that board, on that

(38:00):
monopoly board, you betterbelieve we're going to collect.
Okay, if we have to, and it'sokay.
You don't want to buy a houseon the board, boys and girls
just keep going along the board,don't buy anything.
But in our case, if we're goingto use that metaphor and say
monopoly on violence, I got somehouses on every street, y'all I
mean someone wants to checkthat box, baby.
I got a hotel for them.

(38:21):
They're going to pay and that'sokay.
Some people just do not havethe mentality of survival.
It doesn't make you a badperson If you're anti-gun and
you don't have the mentality ofsurvival, it's okay.
You're not a bad person.
Maybe you just need to.
You know, become moreculturally.

(38:41):
You know educated and becomemore educated about history.
And you know, maybe experiencesome bad things in your life a
time or two and you realize like, wow, maybe someone isn't
coming to help me when I needthem.
So it doesn't make you a badperson.
We're not trying to sit here andsay you're the scourge of
humanity.
All we're saying is we want youto be armed with the best facts

(39:06):
possible so you make the bestdecisions.
And sometimes the best decisionmay not be to defer your
negative situation to anotherperson, and that is objectively
a fact.
That has nothing to do with mystance as being a pro-gun person
or your stance as being ananti-gun person.
That is objectively a truestatement based on many

(39:27):
observable traits that we couldgo into.
But the truth is, you know,it's not a good idea to defer
your safety and security tosomeone else.
That's the point I always wantto drive home with the
anti-gunners.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
I was over here chuckling when you were talking
about you know, survivalinstincts, because it reminded
me of those, those memes whereit's like you see a picture of,
like you know, two, two, twoanimals, or like a, two parents
and with the kid, it's likesurvival instinct zero and
they're just like doing thedumbest thing you've ever seen,
because like they have noinstinct to survive.

(40:02):
It was like uh, it was like aoh, it was uh, yeah, it was a uh
.
Swan that got out in the zooand like flew into the tiger
cage and just like walking up tothe tuck at six tigers and the
tigers are like staring at itand it was like comments were
like survival instinct zero.
And sure enough, it walked intothe tiger.
It just just ate it.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I was like, oh man yeah, I mean all we're saying is
don't walk into the tiger jaws.
I mean, like give yourself thebest shot you have at surviving
and living day to day, don'tdon't don't defer your problems
to other people, don't alwaystrust the government.
I know that's hard to think inyour heads because a lot of

(40:40):
people who are anti-gun theytend to think that the
government's always going to bethere to protect them.
They want to give thegovernment a monopoly on
violence.
They want the government tocarry out their political will.
There's all these things.
They think the government'srole is and that's the big
takeaway is, anti-gunners andpro-gunners greatly disagree on

(41:00):
the government's role inday-to-day life.
So there's also sort of thismoral difference in the kind of
mentality that a pro-gun personhas versus an anti-gun person.
I would love to change theanti-gunner's mind, but if
you're asking me to conceive mypoint of view to your illogical
point of view, I'm simply notgoing to do that.
That's just the truth.

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Speaker 2 (43:01):
Matt you know, I'm glad you made that joke because
it it is funny how a lot ofpeople on the anti-gun side that
they tend to kind of paint gunowners as this sort of militant
group of people who are anti-gunside, that they tend to kind of
paint gun owners as this sortof militant group of people who
are out there to hurt people andout to take and things like
that.
And don't get me wrong Look,the reality is there probably

(43:23):
are some people out there thathave that mentality that they're
going to be more predatory in asituation when the crap is to
fan.
They're going to be a littlemore predatory than they are
actually lending a hand to helpthe community around them.
And look, the fact of thematter is, as much as we want to
pretend that the world is goingto be perfect and symbiotic in

(43:44):
a situation like that, look,there are bad people out there
that do bad things and, yes,some of them own guns.
And the reality is, do youreally want to again, do you
want to defer your safety tosomeone who may not be there for
you in that moment?
I think that if you are afraidthat guns are out there in any
type of degree.

(44:04):
Look, if you're an anti-gunner,arm yourself.
I mean, what way, what betterway to be toe-to-toe with
somebody that you disagree withthan to at least have a gun
yourself?
I mean, what better way to betoe-to-toe with somebody that
you disagree with than to atleast have a gun yourself?
I mean and I'm not sitting heretrying to say that I'm trying
to change your mind on the moralimplications or the principled
implications of what it means tobe a deeply rooted Second

(44:27):
Amendment supporter.
Those are two very differentthings.
I'm talking aboutself-preservation supporter.
Those are two very differentthings.
I'm talking aboutself-preservation.
I'm talking about like, eventhough I'm pro-gun and lots of
people out there are anti-gun,it doesn't mean that I still
don't care about that.
I don't care about your safety.
You know, I want everyone to besafe and secure and to feel
free and to have the tools attheir disposal to protect
themselves.

(44:47):
We can worry about the minutiaeand the details later, but
first and foremost we have tomake sure we're all safe and
secure in our everydayundertaking and I think
ultimately most pro-gun people,that's all they really want for
anyone.
They're not trying to hurtanybody, they're not trying to
do anything crazy, they're justtrying to go about their
everyday life and have the toolsat their disposal to live a

(45:10):
safe life and to be good,contributing members of society
and constructive members ofsociety and ultimately to
protect greater society and whatit stands for at a holistic
level in the event that thingscollapse and go crazy.
I think most people are kind ofgeared towards justice and

(45:32):
righteousness and doing theright thing and being good to
their neighbors.
And you know we tend to forgetthat.
If you're anti-gun and youthink that all people that own
guns are criminals and badpeople, that's a really bad
mentality Because look, thereare a lot of really good people
out there.
Far more good people own gunsthan bad people.
We can acknowledge that badpeople have them.

(45:53):
Yes, they do.
How do we prevent bad peoplefrom getting them?
You can't.
There's no law you're going topass.
There's no background check.
There's no universal backgroundcheck, red flags, all of that,
the things that they try toparrot from the anti-gun side.
Those things are going to becompletely ineffective.
What this is is the greater rootof good and evil.

(46:13):
Right, we want more good peoplewith guns than bad people.
That is the only way we cancounterbalance or provide
balance to the entire situation.
Right, if we make morerestrictions?
Right?
Who are the people who aregoing to adhere to restrictions?
Good, honest, law-abidingpeople.
So if you make it morerestrictive to be a gun owner,
guess who's going to have therestrictions?
Good, honest, law-abidingpeople.
So if you make it morerestrictive to be a gun owner,

(46:34):
guess who's going to have theguns?
The bad people.
The bad people are always goingto have guns y'all.
So you can't prevent the goodpeople from having the tools at
their disposal to be at least astepping stone in the way of
those bad people before they getto you.
I think I would certainly wantgreater society to be armed, and
knowing that the majority ofpeople are quite good, that's

(46:56):
true very true.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I mean, that's just my observable.
You know fact statistically,just by the metrics, there's way
more good gun owners than badgun owners.
Um no, I I think I think thatwas probably one of the most
truest statements that I neverlooked at it that way.
You always look at it like oh,there's so many cities and

(47:21):
states that are typically blue,states that are just kind of
overrun with crime and haveheavy gun ownership and bad
hands, gun ownership and badhands.
But now that I look at it,that's not true, because even a
state like you know, illinois,when you look at just Chicago
and then you look at thesurrounding area, like

(47:42):
everything else on the map isred and it's just like one
little dot of blue.
It just so happens that thatlittle dot of blue is where all
the crime comes out of, buteverybody else in red I'm sure
are firearms owners.
You know it is crazy, it juststill happens at.
That little dot of blue iswhere all the crime comes out of
, but everybody else in the redI'm sure are firearms owners.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
You know, it is crazy because it always seems like
it's the big cities where thesethings occur where the majority
of the gun crime is occurring.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
You know, and it's crazy.
Georgia is no exception,georgia is no exception.
So Atlanta, macon, savannah,that's the way it looks.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Those are the major cities and that's where a lot of
the crap happens.
And eventually you have to callit what it is, and I think that
I'm not a scientist in thisregard.
I'm not a behavioral scientist,I'm not a psychologist, I'm not
a legal authority.
I'm just a guy with a camerawho has a big voice.
I'm a really well-known averageguy.

(48:33):
But the way that I tend to kindof look at it is when you get a
lot of people and you put themin a really small space, it's
almost like it creates this sortof weird groupthink mentality.
It's almost like this weirdgroup synergy that begins to
occur by cramming people intothis small area and I swear it
changes their behavior, becausewe don't see those things out

(48:55):
here where we're at in the moresparsely populated areas.
We don't ever really deal withthat type of mentality, where it
just seems like there's justthis general group psychosis
that begins to occur and I can'treally explain it.
And it's not always that justevery person you run into is a
psychopath, it's not that.
But there is this overbearingfeeling of just kind of this

(49:19):
general uneasiness.
When you're in a city, it'slike all those people together
there's so many differentenergies.
So many different people there,all different points of view,
different races, religions,backgrounds.
It's like you start throwingeveryone in a kettle and they
begin to feel a little uptight.
They begin to feel like theirpersonal space is invaded and

(49:39):
that logically puts them in alittle bit more of a defensive
mode.
All right, and what do people do?
They get a little bit moreoff-putting towards each other.
They might act a little bitaggressively towards each other.
All right At its worst state.
Each other, they might act alittle bit aggressively towards
each other All right At itsworst state.
What does that mean?
All right?
Well, maybe people you knowshoot at people or hit people or

(50:00):
commit crimes, and maybe theyjust lose faith in the overall I
don't know goodness of humanity.
And maybe cities are where thathappens, maybe a little quicker
.
The sort of breakdown ofgeneral sanity seems to happen
much more rapidly.
When you start crammingeverybody in a small area like
that, people get mentally alittle shook up and I think

(50:23):
that's a contributing factor toit, all it is, and I believe the
term they have for thecorrection on that is fatigue.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
You start you're like oh, whatever, whatever the
issue is, when it's kind of runits course, they just they just
add the word fatigue on the endof it and that settles it.
That just like hey, we're tiredof, we're tired of whatever is
going on.
And that's kind of what's goingon right now.
With the big cities you'reseeing, especially with like the
stealing, you're starting tosee a lot of that fatigue set in

(50:55):
where people are just tired ofit.
Whereas before people would letthem walk out of the store, now
they're just like no man,you're not just going to wheel
out two carts full of stuff,we're over it.
So now you actually have peoplestepping up and saying, no, that
is not right, that's truestepping up and saying, no, that
is not right.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
That's true.
A transgression can only becommitted for so long and for
such amount of time before aperson gets fed up with it, and
that's where that bubble breaksand they just get completely,
they just go completely apeshit.
And sometimes that happens.
Imagine that you ride publictransportation and let's say you
ride the same couple of buseson and off throughout the week
and maybe you see the samepeople all the time and maybe

(51:36):
there's I don't know, I'm justpainting a scenario.
Say that you're on the bus andthere's this couple of group of
people that always like, giveyou a hard time or maybe they're
rude to you, or maybe you're awoman and you ride the bus alone
and they come on to you andthey bother you Eventually.
That stressor yeah, it'spassive, yeah it doesn't come

(51:58):
down to them trying tophysically mess with you, but
that sort of stressor.
Imagine that exacerbated over10 or 20 instances because
you're in so many little microaggressive situations in the
city.
Imagine that those things weighon a person.
And imagine being a female andimagine feeling like, oh my gosh
, like everywhere I go, I feellike you know, society has this

(52:22):
sort of you know eye out for meand it makes me feel really
uncomfortable.
Imagine that if someone pulleda gun on you and used a gun
against you in a crime, imaginehow you'd feel.
You'd probably hate guns.
Of course you'd be anti-gun.
So there are a lot of people inthose big cities that wind up
being anti-gun because the rulesin the cities make it much
harder for them to want toprotect themselves.

(52:43):
They're told and preached to bythe anti-gunners that you
shouldn't ever bother to try toprotect yourself, because the
police are always going to bethere to help you.
You shouldn't ever bother totry to protect yourself, because
the police are always going tobe there to help you.
And then three, their anti-gunjourney becomes so much more
exacerbated by the fact thatpeople who are criminals use
guns with impunity.
Yet the good people don't haveguns because they obey the law.

(53:06):
So it creates this downwardspiral and I think the Democrats
they know that.
They know that it creates asituation where that lady on the
bus says, oh my God, where werethe police when I needed them?
Well then, what does the citydo?
They allocate more funds andthey hire more police, and that
further allows them to have amonopoly on violence.
And I think ultimately theDemocrat sort of war plan is for

(53:29):
them to have a monopoly onviolence and they don't want
people to be able to protectthemselves.
They want to be the arbiters oftheir brand of justice as they
see it, not as reality sees it.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Well, I agree, and I think that if we there's a
couple of things that you can doto kind of resolve, that is
like get off of you know, removequalified immunity from you
know, police and governmentofficials and also um, I forgot
the second thing, but I meanqualified immunity.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Is a is a is a tricky topic.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
It is Um, but I mean, oh, police unions.
So it was like, hey, if youwant to, if you want to like,
figure out how to, how we canresolve the police union issue
with cops not being able to befired and also qualified
immunity, I think you'd see alot of a lot of the um vice grip
on violence would would changebecause cops would have to,
would have to kind of changetheir tune a little bit because

(54:25):
there wouldn't be a fear of themnot losing their job or not
being transferred or being suedcivilly for some of the actions
now the problem is if cops dotheir job, they get sued but it
comes out of the police union,not not their.
Actually like it doesn't affectthe actual right like police
officer.
Um, I just wanted to touch onsomething.

(54:45):
I know we're about to run ontime here we're okay um, as far
as um, you know the anti-gunsentiment, it starts at a very
young age and I'll use anexample here in georgia there
was, uh, recently there was aschool shooting, but it wasn't

(55:06):
people, I think it was a gradeschool child brought a firearm
to school and was showing it offin the bathroom and it went off
and blew up a toilet.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
It wasn't malicious, it was just like an accident.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Yeah, it was like, oh hey, check this out.
And I shot a toilet.
Now that could have endedhorrendously.
So I'm definitely not sayingit's okay, but the way that the
local government kind of jumpedon the never let a tragedy go to
waste type scenario, theyimmediately kind of put out a

(55:38):
press release and then the nextday they had kids reading these
notes, they were reading theseletters of why they were scared
and why they, um, you know,should put more security in
place for these schools.
But the kids were reading theletters.
But as a parent of a, of anadvanced child, all they did not

(56:02):
write these letters.
There was like there's words,conjunctions, verbiage in there
that is way above their level ofeducation and they were even
having a little bit of a toughtime reading it.
But just that manufacturedemotion, that tug on the
heartstring of a child's voicereading this letter, like, like

(56:24):
they're so scared.
I'm there, grant, I'm nottaking anything away from them.
I'm sure it's a scary situationfor a kid, but to kind of just
hear it replayed like in achild's voice, there was a
definite agenda there with thatand I just I hate that they,
they went that route like yeahit, like hey, never waste a
tragedy.
Throw these kids in there, allright, we'll end on this note.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I'm sure some of you have seen the video of the.
I think he was a detective andhe was given a gun safety class
at the school.
And he picks up the Glock.
He's like this is a Glock 40and blah, blah, blah and he's
talking about it and he goes toholster it.
And I think about it and he goesto holster it and I think the
gun goes off and shoots him inthe foot or the leg or the foot

(57:07):
or something.
He shoots himself and then justproceeds to hobble around and
it's like imagine howtraumatized the kid would be
from that.
You've got this person who youview as some arbiter of all the
safety that you ever know.
Oh, you're taught that policeare the, the absolute, utmost
authority on anything gunrelated.
Oh, if a gun, they tell you agun's dangerous, oh my gosh, you
better take that as the gospel.
And then the guy shoots himselfin the leg.

(57:29):
Now, granted, it was an accident, okay, accidents happen.
But here you are trying topreach about safety and then you
shoot yourself in the leg.
I mean, obviously the hypocrisyis pretty blatant, right?
So, yes, the kid brought thegun to school and there was an
accident, no-transcript gunrelated.

(58:11):
If you're trying to teachsomebody how to drive or how to
operate a motorcycle or how todo any type of task that
involves an object operate heavymachinery, operate tools, power
tools right, accidents happen.
You know, you drive a nailthrough your finger, you chop
your finger off with the tablesaw.
I mean, look, accidents happen.

(58:32):
And a firearm, just like anyother type of tool, can be a
dangerous object if not handledcarefully, and the firearm does
not make any distinction betweenwho uses it.
All it knows is it's going to dowhat it's mechanically designed
to do, and if you offer thecorrect input, it's going to do
its job.
Yep, it doesn't care.
So anyway, I think that's agood way to end the show.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yeah, dude, I remember that video and if I
remember correctly, that guy wasabsolutely yoked, I remember it
.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Yes, it was like this gigantic, he was a big guy.
That guy was big and I tell youhe shrugged it off.
He did?

Speaker 3 (59:06):
he walked it off.
He was like hey, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
He's like he kind of walked it off and I bet, I
guarantee inside he was likemother, yeah, like oh, he was
mad you know he was mad.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
He handled it like a champ.
He did handle it like a champ.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
I will give him that he did.
He didn't puss out, he totallyhandled it, he owned he.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Totally handled it, he owned it he owned it.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
But imagine being a kid in the first row and a guy
cranks a round into his leg withhis block.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Loud too, oh yeah, loud Bang, and it's like those
classrooms, it's like thoseconcrete walls, probably
rattling around, oh.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
God, no, it was so loud.
And those kids?
I promise you that none ofthose kids went on to do
anything dangerous with a gun.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
I promise you that Now they learned their lesson.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
It just really cost them that day.
Anyway, I digress, there's nolaughing matter.
Mistakes are not fun, theyhappen and it's unfortunate when
people get hurt.
But whatever situation, wealways want to take as a
learning experience.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Boy.
They learned that day, didn'tthey?
We got to find him and have himon a guest.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
happened here.
I guarantee you, he went on togive more gun classes.
Oh 100%, he had a good heart.
Yeah, yeah, he meant well.
He meant well.
I mean the delivery, though.
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