LLP Ep135: World Police: America's Global Role

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What happens when the world's most powerful nation decides to involve itself in conflicts across the globe? This week, Eric and Matt tackle the controversial topic of America's role as the "world police" – exploring both the benefits and consequences of this position.

The hosts trace how America transformed from a nation founded on isolationist principles to becoming the predominant global military force. Geographic isolation means U.S. involvement in global conflicts is always a choice, not a necessity – so why does America choose to intervene so frequently? The answer involves a complex web of economic interests, strategic positioning, and the evolution of American foreign policy following the Korean and Vietnam Wars, when fear of communism pushed the nation toward greater international involvement.

One of the most thought-provoking segments examines what truly backs the American dollar. While no longer supported by the gold standard, Eric suggests what he calls "the war dollar" is fundamentally backed by America's unmatched ability to project military power anywhere in the world within 72 hours. This capability serves as the foundation of American economic strength and international influence, demonstrated through historical examples like Operation Desert Storm, where America defeated Iraq's formidable military in just 72 hours.

Despite criticisms of American interventionism, Eric and Matt conclude that if any nation must serve as the world's police force, the United States remains the best candidate. Unlike historical empires or current authoritarian regimes, America generally doesn't behave as a conqueror – pointing to post-World War II Japan as an example where, rather than annexing the defeated nation, America helped rebuild it while respecting Japanese sovereignty and cultural identity.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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That's what they say.
Yeah, that's what they say.

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Sometimes I wonder if we're the ones holding the
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But you know, yeah, the world'sa crazy place sometimes, but
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Boys and girls, today's episodeis going to be called the world
police, and I wonder who we'regoing to be talking about there.

(01:06):
Who is the world police?
Well, I think we all can candefinitely point to the United
States as being the world police, and we're going to talk about
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You know, eric and I, sometimeswe go off the rails and we have
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Okay, so we're going to talkabout the world police, and I
know we mentioned that thatmeans the US, and the US has

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seemed to be this sort of quasiworld police environment, and it
hasn't always been that way.
I know in recent talks on themainstream media, mainstream
news and really just the talk ofsociety, especially in the
Republican Party, they've beentalking about the Barbary
Pirates.
You keep hearing that broughtup.

(05:17):
Oh well, we didn't have acongressional approval to go
attack the Barbary Pirates.
And why does that keep gettingbrought up?
That's because we engage in alot of worldwide fuckery Quite
simply, I don't know a betterword to use.

(05:37):
I mean, we are involved in alot of stuff all around the
world and you know we topplegovernments, we support certain
governments.
You know we are involved in alot of clandestine stuff behind
the scenes that a lot of peopleare not going to always know
about.
Right, we have many a hand inmany a pot in many a place, some

(05:57):
places you probably never evenheard of before and to some end
goal that you may not even knowwe're involved in.
And that's the scariness of it,is the totality that our
tentacles permeate throughoutthe world, the society of the
world, and that you know we areinvolved in many a thing.
And our founding fathersbelieved you know strongly in

(06:21):
isolation.
They believed in yeah, dobusiness with the outside world,
do business with them.
Okay, yes, if there's somemutually beneficial way that we
can benefit from each other,engage in business, yeah, engage
in commerce, engage in business, but do not engage in the
affairs of the outside world.
Our founding fathers, georgeWashington, believed strongly

(06:44):
that we should never be involvedin the affairs of the outside
world.
Our founding fathers, georgeWashington, believed strongly
that we should never be involvedin the affairs of the outside
world only do business, butpolitically isolate ourselves.
And by gosh, we're in a perfectposition to isolate ourselves.
Geographically, the UnitedStates is a very removed place.
Militarily.
It is a very difficult place toattack, right?

(07:04):
We have isolation as ourbiggest defense, right?
The people who would harm us?
They're going to have to crossa lot of water to get here.
Okay, it's not easy to attackus on land, all right.
So when you look at America aswhether it's a social construct,
whether it's a government,whether it's a society, whether

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it's a nation, no matter how youlook at America as this sort of
you know experiment, if youwill, we've always been called a
great experiment.
No matter how you look at thatexperiment, we are
geographically isolated frommany parts of the world.
So if we are involved insomething going on around the
world, it's because we want tobe.
Let's lay that groundwork down.

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If we're involved in somethingin the Middle East, or we're
involved in Israel or Ukraine orwhatever's going on in some
dark corner of the world, it'sbecause we want to be involved,
it's because we choose to beinvolved, it's because there's
some greater play that maybe thegreater part of society may not
know exactly what play is beingmade, in what way and to

(08:12):
benefit whom.
We don't have all theinformation at all times, so we
don't know what the greaterchessboard is or how the pieces
are being moved across thatchessboard.
Pieces are being moved acrossthat chessboard.
There are many meal bloggers andwriters and pundits out there
who study a lot of the thingsthat is going on with US foreign
policy and some of these peoplehave some very good theories

(08:34):
about what the overall play mayreally be based on troop
movements, based on what's goingon economically what's going on
with minor little skirmishesand trade wars, or what's going
on economically what's going onwith minor little skirmishes and
trade wars, or what's going onwith the greater foreign policy,
such as proxies.
Ukraine is a proxy.
We are not directly fightingRussia, but we are funding the

(08:56):
Ukrainians who are fighting theRussians.
Right, israel is a proxy.
We may not have troops on theground necessarily engaging in
combat as such, as the Israelismay be doing, but we are funding
the Israelis, so it is a proxy.
We may not have troops on theground necessarily engaging in
combat as such, as the Israelismay be doing, but we are funding
the Israelis, so it is a proxy.
So America has become a fighterof proxy wars, a fighter of
literal wars.

(09:16):
We've been in war for gosh thelast what?
150 years or something crazy,maybe more right.
So we've perpetually been inwar.
We've perpetually been ineverybody's business.
We've perpetually been topplinggovernments and propping up
governments.
For as long as many of ourgenerations can remember and I

(09:37):
guess that's the crux of today'sshow, matt is to discuss these
things in greater detail.
What does it mean, movingforward?
What do we stand to gain?
What do we stand to lose?
What do future generations haveat stake?
Is there some benefits from it?
Are there any positives?
Are there negatives?
These are the answers that wewant to discern in today's show.

(09:59):
Now, I'm not a geopoliticalexpert, I'm not an economist,
I'm not a lawyer, I'm not alegal authority of any type.
I'm just a guy with a damnopinion, and I'm sure many of
you are too.
Matt is too.
So we're here to lay down somedamn opinions.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
What I will say and I'm not going to pretend to be
what I will say is that a lot ofthis came from initially, all
the way back as far as Vietnam,like the Vietnam War is what I

(10:40):
meant.
So the only reason we gotinvolved in that was because of
one thing, and that wascommunism.
We were so scared of communismthat america decided that that's
when they had to kind ofintervene in other countries,
wars right.
So it was well, let me takethat.

(11:00):
I apologize, I greatlyapologize because, I excuse me,
I did what everybody else.
Whoa, ah, okay, I did whateverybody else did, and they
forgot about the korean war.
So the korean war in the 50swas about communism.

(11:24):
They didn't want the North totake over the South.
So America got involved in thatwar.
They prevented communism fromtaking over Korea and they drew
the 38th parallel, which iswhere you see the DMZ, and now
you have the Republic of Korea,which is South Korea,

(11:44):
flourishing, and you have thedemocratic people of North Korea
, or whatever, and it's likelights out.
If you ever see it at night,it's just there's no lights
there.
Definitely a lot of suffering.
Yes, so that was.
They prevented communism fromtaking over there.
Then fast forward to Vietnam.
Same thing.
They didn't want communism towin in Vietnam, which it did.

(12:09):
It took over and now that it iswhat it is.
So that was kind of where thatwhole America policing the world
came into play.
And then fast forward to the USduring World War II.
Yes, japan brought us into thewar, but the reason that America
ultimately also decided to getin the war because they saw that

(12:31):
communism and the whole Naziparty thing was coming into the
US, where you had people on thecorners of the streets singing
the praises of communism and howsocialism is good and all that.
So then you have Cuba.
America got involved with theBay of Pigs, with the rebellion

(12:51):
in Cuba.
They were trying to preventcommunism because it was right
there on the doorsteps ofFlorida.
So as we progress through time,you can see that America started
getting involved in the worldpolitics because of one thing,
which was communism.
Now it is not as less aboutcommunism, even though it's

(13:14):
still a popular thing here inthe us amongst the, the younger
generation.
Now it's more economic.
So then it turns into oh,america is paying all of these
other countries money.
So you will see it when youlook at like the ledgers.
America is giving countries inAfrica X amount of dollars for

(13:34):
whatever it is that they want.
It might look like that's justmoney for them to do projects,
but that is money that we'repaying them to be our friends.
It's the equivalent of payingyour friends to hang out with
you, and that's because, ifAmerica doesn't pay them money,
russia and China will pay themmoney, and then they're going to

(13:56):
have the ear of that country.
Good point, and that's what itcomes down to.
When you look at all of this,you know slush fund money going
out to these countries.
That's what it comes down to.
When you look at all of thisslush fund money going out to
these countries, that's what itis.
We're paying them so that theother countries don't pay them
and they're taking our money.
But let's look at one of thebig things is.
You mentioned isolationism.
America, very much, was acountry that was built on

(14:21):
isolationism.
They come here.
You couldn't get to us.
We're separated by two oceanson each side, and then you have
a huge landmass up north, whichis Canada, and then Central
America coming up from CentralAmerica.
The whole thing happenedbecause America started to say,

(14:42):
hey, we need to be more helpfulwith our resources.
We're a country of bounty.
Now we have a tremendous amountof resources and we need to be
tolerant.
So between those two thingsbeing helpful with our resources
and being tolerant we are nolonger an isolationist country.
And now we're in a situationwhere we've become too helpful.

(15:06):
We've become helpful to a faultwhere now I don't think that
America should be the worldpolice.
I think we should just mind ourown business for the most part,
unless it directly pertains tous.
But now we've gotten to thepoint where we have so many
fingers in the pie that we can'tdo anything about it.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I think it's interesting that you bring up
communism, because it really issuch a turning point for
American foreign policy is wewere really worried about
communism spreading andcommunism becoming a much more
generally and socially acceptedidea, not only here but around
the world?
So it's always been this kindof battle between two very

(15:50):
different political ideologieswhereby here we engage in
capitalism and there are manythat would claim that here it's
more like crony capitalism, andagain I'm no economist now
capitalism, and again I'm noeconomist.
Now we're going from worldpolicy and geopolitics to
monetary policy or economics, ifyou will.
But we have always complainedabout the Russian oligarchs and

(16:15):
how a small group of people hasso much control over vast swaths
of the Russian military complex, military industrial complex,
the Russian economic complex,russian foreign policy.
And these small groups ofpeople, these oligarchs, are
essentially pulling the stringson many, many, many things which

(16:38):
make them extremely wealthy.
They make a ton of money and asmall group of people have a
very indiscriminate amount ofcontrol against a huge area of
the Russian economy and evenforeign policy.
So one could say that America isreally no different.

(16:58):
I mean, we have these swaths ofessentially oligarchs that have
this large control over hugeareas of Congress.
Right, they have tons oflobbying dollars.
They represent very large andsuccessful business endeavors
such as, let's say, siliconValley and big tech.
Right, you've got all of thesedifferent industries which

(17:22):
funnel money into these PACsthat essentially buy off our
politicians and buy off theirinfluence and lend their ear,
and if that's not an oligarch, Idon't know what is If someone
who is extremely wealthy andsuccessful in business and they
can control huge areas of theAmerican foreign policy based on

(17:43):
the amount of money that theyfunnel through.
Now you look at AIPAC and youknow AIPAC has a lot of money
that they're funneling throughto represent, you know,
essentially Israeli interests inthe American government and you
know they own Democrat,republicans alike.
And if you look at the amountof you know, influence that they

(18:04):
have within the Americanpolitical machine, I mean they
own what?
80% of Congress betweenRepublicans and Democrats, it's
some 80% or more that have takenAIPAC donations.
Probably more than that andmaybe even more than that.
Look, it's not to say that a PACor something is an issue to

(18:26):
generate money to supportwhatever undertaking.
We do the same thing in the gunworld.
Right, we send lobbyists toWashington to lobby on behalf of
gun owners.
Right, that's what a gun lobbyis NRA and GOA and all of it.
We're all part of the gun lobby.
We go and we discuss thingswith Congress and we funnel

(18:49):
money into their projects tohelp them get elected.
And what are you doing?
Yeah, you're essentially kindof buying their support a little
bit, but of course you vetthose people and you make sure
they actually do support youbefore you go throwing money
towards a campaign to help them.
That's the idea.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
That's the idea.
That's the idea.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Now, what about Israel?
Who, I mean, is it okay for aforeign government to have so
much control over Israel's ourforeign policy?
Essentially, you know, onecountry, a small country, to
have all that influence and tofunnel all that money to our
political machine.
And I think that's where a lotof danger comes into place.

(19:27):
Where, you know, are we unlikethe Russian oligarchs in that?
Okay, yeah, a few specialinterest groups that have tons
of money are essentially tellingyour government what time it is
, telling them what they'regoing to be involved in, what
they're not.
You know, israel has become ourgateway to playing around in the
Middle East.
I mean, and really, at the endof the day, matt, that's what it

(19:50):
comes down to.
Israel is our proxy to be ableto play screwy games in the
Middle East and mess withwhoever we want to mess with.
And we can say, oh, it wasn'tus, it was Israel.
So one may say, well, israel'susing us.
One may say we're using Israel.
Or maybe it's just a collective, cooperative thing that both

(20:10):
governments are like, hey, youscratch our back, we scratch
yours.
But I think, when you look atit pragmatically and
realistically, we have this viewthat that israel is using us.
But I think we're probably usingthem more than they're using us
.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I think it goes the goal is to mess around in the
middle east.
I think it goes both ways,because I and I distinctly
remember this when, when we wererunning ballistic, we made a
shirt off of this and it was.
This had to have been like fiveyears ago, and this isn't by
any means an episode aboutIsrael, because we're going to

(20:46):
move on, yeah we are.
Israel went into Syria andattacked the dam in Syria and
this was like five years ago.
They did like a specificairstrike on it and I remember
that was years and years ago,and then they just attacked a

(21:07):
Hamas leader inside Qatar.
So this happened like eithertoday or yesterday, where they
flew a sortie and attacked aHamas leader inside of Qatar,
which is a separate country.
And then what other country doyou know that can blatantly just
attack other countries withmilitary force at will and

(21:31):
nothing happened.
I can't name a single countrythat would be able to get away
with that without America'sblessing, meaning, because
America, the world police,doesn't hold them accountable
for that or doesn't say anything.
The rest of the world justfalls in line.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
It's like we're the only people that would ever hold
them accountable if we didn'tlike it Exactly.
And look at that situation withIran.
They sent that bunker busterover there and blew up that
uranium enrichment facility orsomething to do with their
nuclear program whether it wasweapons manufacturing or uranium
enrichment, whatever it was,they attacked it and they blew
it up.
What did Iran do?

(22:11):
They're like, okay, you got me,they didn't do anything.
What can they do?
And I think, when you look atour monetary system, the dollar,
I call it the war dollar, thewar buck.
I mean when you look at warbucks yeah, our ability to carry
out violence in all corners ofthe world, on demand, at any

(22:32):
time, 24 hours a day, seven daysa week.
Within 24 to 72 hours, we aremission capable worldwide, in
any corner of the world.
Give us three days and we'll bethere to kill you.
That is what the dollar is.
The dollar is the violencemechanism.
The dollar is backed up by ourability to carry out violence

(22:54):
period.
I mean, we've been off the goldstandard forever.
That gold, you know.
They keep talking about wantingto audit the Federal Reserve
and audit.
You know.
Go in Fort Knox and count thegold.
Whatever, I guarantee thatgold's been long gone.
Oh yeah, this ain't about thegold anymore.
This isn't about some physicalasset backing the money up which

(23:15):
then limits its value.
They just print it like paper.
They just print it.
It's really based on ourability to carry out violence
around the world.
That's what it comes down to.
To say we're the world police,I mean, yeah, we are the world
police, depending on who isgoing to be the recipient of

(23:36):
that police.
Now, to some people, we're justthe world tyrants.
We're going to come in and blowup your uranium enrichment
facility.
I mean, okay, to be pragmatichere.
To be fair, was Iran working ona nuclear weapon?
Maybe, maybe they were.
Maybe they weren't.
We know what we know and wedon't know what we don't know.
We have no idea what they know.

(23:58):
We're never going to know allof the information that US
intelligence has.
Maybe they knew that there wasactually some weapons-grade
enrichment being done for thephysical materials required to
make some sort of bomb orwhatever right.
Or maybe they knew it was justfor power, nothing more, just to
generate electricity andnothing more.

(24:20):
So everyone thinks oh, they hearuranium enrichment, or they
hear whatever fissile materials,or they hear all this.
You know whatever labs that arerequired to produce this stuff?
Right.
Whatever it may be for thepurposes, but they always
associate it with weaponryinstead of going well, wait a
minute, nuclear is nuclear,right?
Maybe they just had nuclearpower.

(24:41):
They're trying to, you know, tomake the citizens' lives better
.
Maybe not.
Maybe it was weapons that theywere trying to develop.
But see, we'll never reallyknow the truth.
All we know is the outcome.
We know that they blew theplace to hell and back.
Well, whatever they were doing,they ain't doing it, no more.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I with a place to hell and back.
Well, whatever they were doing,they ain't doing it no more.
I promise you that.
Well, here's another, anotherlike just devil's advocate here
on that.
Why is and I get why americawould be worried about that.
We definitely don't want, uh,countries that have terrorist
organizations running free inthem to have access to, you know
, nuclear weapons.

(25:18):
But it doesn't seem like thecountries other than israel
which I understand that as wellaround them were too concerned
with them having nuclear weapons, because the chances of them
using those nuclear weapons oncountries that are bordering
them or much closer to them ismuch higher than them being able

(25:41):
to sneak a nuclear weapon intothe us based on their limited
technology.
These are people that stilldrive around in 1984 helix
trucks that are shot to shit.
I don't think they're going tobe able to, you know, easily get
a nuclear weapon into the us.

(26:03):
The chances are higher thatthey would use it on their side
of the, of their side of theglobe, true?
So why aren't those countriesdoing what we did?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
yeah, maybe it's.
It's their lack of ability tocarry out such things.
I mean, you know, there's notvery many militaries around the
world that can fly a stealthbomber into your country
undetected and drop a huge ass 5000 pound bomb like 16 with
precision yeah, or yeah,multiple ones with precision,

(26:34):
and leave without ever gettingshot at who can do that.
So again the world police, butit's all about our ability to
carry out violence withoutconsequence.
I mean, there are not very manymilitaries in the world that
can really truly stand up to usat a high level.
Now, some would argue thatChina has a lot of men yeah,

(26:59):
they do.
They got a lot of militaryimplements yeah, they do.
But, as Napoleon said, an armymarches on stomach.
And yes, china has a lot ofcapability, but how are you
going to get that capabilityfrom point A to point B?
I mean, you got to get it there.
In order to wage war, you haveto get your troops there, you

(27:19):
have to physically get there.
I mean, yeah, would china be adanger to us if they were where
canada was?
Maybe, yeah, there could besome ground assault, something
like that, but they are soremoved from us and you got to
think they already have a hardenough time feeding their own
people in a lot of cases.
Right, and what a lot of peopledon't realize and maybe I don't
want to be off here but Chinarelies on us for a lot of food.

(27:43):
We export a lot of food tovarious parts of the world and
China is a huge importer ofAmerican food.
So when you kind of get awayfrom the geopolitical,
militaristic end of it and getmore to just hey day to day.
We have to survive, right?
They rely on us for survival.

(28:04):
So it's like you don't want tobite the hand that feeds.
If Ukraine is the breadbasket ofEurope and they're producing
all of this, they have a hugefarming industry in Ukraine
right Now.
Granted, they're involved in awar, but I'm sure they're still
growing food in certain placesand things like that.
But when you look at theoverall economical, you know
sort of implications that comefrom these wars and conflicts

(28:27):
and the whole geopoliticalstruggle and pointing the finger
at who is who, I mean, at theend of the day, we all have to
eat and survive.
We all need fuel, we all needoil.
At the end of the day, we allhave to eat and survive.
We all need fuel, we all needoil.
I mean there's plenty of placesstill buying Russian oil, you
know Russian gas, I mean whatGermany buys it.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Unless they were until that pipe got messed up.
I don't know if they ever fixedthat or not.
Yeah, they had no choice.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
The Nord Stream pipeline yeah the Nord.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Stream.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
So, again, geopolitical situations also
have to involve economicalsituations.
The two go hand in hand.
I mean you know, yeah, the USmight want to move
microprocessor and microchipproduction right, microcomputer
type production to the USinstead of, you know, having to

(29:16):
worry about China overtakingTaiwan and essentially what?
90% of the world's microchiptechnology is produced there.
So it's like you know what Imean.
There's a lot of that type oftechnology that might only be
produced in one part of theworld and, yeah, america may be
thinking about it economicallyand go well, do we really want

(29:36):
to risk a hostile country havingcomplete monopoly over that and
essentially being able tocharge what they want or just
cut us off completely for someof this more high technology
type of things that we all haveto have, everyone around the
world has to have, and that'swhy they've been talking about
moving microprocessor technologyto America for production

(29:58):
purposes.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Well, that's also why America is doing so much to
protect Taiwan and Singapore,because, while officially Taiwan
is part of China, which theywould respectively disagree with
, they have their own saying oflike Taiwan number one, which is
kind of like a slap in the faceto mainland China.

(30:20):
You know America, a lot of ourmicroprocessors and technology
come from Taiwan and Singapore.
So when you start looking atthe whole world police aspect of
it, those are the things thatAmerica has to put in place to
try to protect and regulate fromother countries like China.
I will say that I truly believethat China is a paper tiger.

(30:49):
They haven't fought any wars inthe last 20 years.
Not of any significance.
I mean, imagine the US Army notbeing in war for the last 20
years.
Not of any significance.
I mean imagine the US Army notbeing in war for the last 20
years and just training on base.
There's no way we would be atthe level that are the combat

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effectiveness that we're atright now, and I'll just put
this in perspective for you guys.
And I'll just put this inperspective for you guys Russia,
which is arguably one of thelargest armies in the world, has
been fighting Ukraine, albeitUkraine has a ton of support.

(31:30):
But just manpower, standingarmy, manpower should not
compare to Russia.
Man to man, just numbers tonumbers, metrics.
They've been at war for what?
Four years?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
at least Well, I think some of this has been
going on since 2016.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Localized to some small areas.
I mean like full-on combat, thefull on, like like four years
now.
So let's put this inperspective 1990, 1990, 1991.
America goes to war with Iraq atthe time Fourth largest army in
the world.

(32:15):
Fourth largest army in theworld, fourth largest army in
the world versus America, whohas never fought in the Middle
East, got all of our logisticsover there Tanks, men, jets,
whatever.
We defeat the fourth largestarmy in the world in 72 hours.

(32:39):
First time we've ever been towar in the Middle East at that
level.
72 hours, entire countries inshambles.
Crazy, isn't it Right?
We're just kicking ass, takingnames.
We run from Kuwait to Baghdadin 24 hours.
It's wild, isn't it?

(32:59):
5,500 tanks.
So let's just run down themetrics of what we did in 72
hours All right, 1 millionstanding army, 850,000
reservists, 5,500 tanks, airdefense artillery, sams and

(33:22):
SCUDs 72 hours done, taken out,running for the hills.
All right.
There's a reason America is theworld police because we have the
ability to deploy, to fight andwin against much larger boats.
They were a larger army than usat the time.
Logistics win wars, yes.

(33:43):
So when you look at China,never fought a war, it's a paper
tiger.
So I think where China has thepower is the economic
constraints.
They're able to tighten thereins on the world economic
front, meaning they have so muchcontrol over what's being

(34:05):
imported, because China producesa lot, but they also rely.
They import just as much as anyother country.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
If not more.
And they import a lot of food.
Yes, the oceans around Chinaare void of life.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
They're overfished, yeah, they're fishing other
countries and there's videos ofthem running into the
Philippines waters and Japan andSouth Korea just trying to fish
as much as they can.
But they hold the economiccards because nobody really
wants to to not do business withchina.

(34:41):
America was really the firstone to kind of step up and say,
hey, we're going to put sometariffs on you guys and for all
intents and purposes, it seemsto be working like they keep
kind of putting off the stays ofexecution on these tariffs that
are coming up.
You, you know, trump is like oh, we're going to extend these,
these tariffs, these non-tariffs, for 90 days because we're

(35:02):
getting what we want.
Like we're kind of making,we're chiseling away at what we,
what we need.
So, as far as you know, beingthe world police, I think that
China is a paper tiger.
I think if we can do morebusiness with say well, here's
another thing Korea, japan andIndia, for the first time ever,

(35:28):
are working together.
Because, you know I don't knowif you guys have been keeping up
with the news, but yesterday,the day before, there was a huge
ice raid in georgia at ahyundai dealership or a hyundai
plant and like 450 people weredetained.
Many of those were southkoreans oh boy.

(35:52):
so there's a like the southkorean government is a little
upset with Georgia and thegovernment the US government for
that.
And do you know how that allstarted?
Eric who called that raid inwas a candidate running for

(36:13):
Congress from Georgia.
Oh boy, so it's a mess rightnow.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
It's a mess, but what I will tell you is that I don't
know.
You know, it probably wasn'tthe right move to do.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, that really didn't have the correct
political win in the sales thatthey thought it would.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, it pushed some countries a little bit farther
away than we wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
So speaking of America as a world police type
of entity.
I kind of want to take a littlebit of a moment to sort of
create a scenario where let'ssay we weren't, and let's say
that there were, a power vacuumthat needed to be filled.
We're going to discuss that alittle bit.
I think it'll be interestingyou know sort of mental topic to
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Speaker 1 (38:33):
World police let's say that America wasn't the
world police, who would be?
Do you think that there's avacuum that would be filled by
some other world power?
Or would it take time foranother world power to come to
the level that we are, becausereally we're the top dog?
No one has the ability to wagewar and operate within the world

(38:55):
sphere that we do, if you thinkabout it Now, sure the Russians
have some subs out therecreeping around.
Any modern country who hasmaybe a sub fleet?
Yeah, there's some submarinescreeping around and close to us.
You better believe that.
You know, you know, but beyond,let's just say snooping around,

(39:16):
do they actually have theability to project power?
No, around the world, I justdon't think that answers yes.
I just I don't think there'sany other country that has what
we have in the way of ourability to project violence on
every corner of the globe.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I mean, I'm an army guy, I love the army, but I will
tell you, our ability to justwreak havoc and loiter in space
is 100% like the super carriersman.
Just we have 10 or 11 supercarriers.
We have the most out of anycountry in the world.

(39:54):
I think the country that hasaircraft carriers at all have
like two or three, and we have alot.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
And they're older and they're really old yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
The ability to park an entire football field right
off your country's coast with somuch firepower that they can
literally erase you off of themap, and you have 11 of those.
That's your ability to juststrike fear.
You know, I wonder how hardthose things are to sink really.

(40:26):
With their carrier group almostimpossible because they don't
travel by themselves.
They have an entire fleet.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
They're protected like crazy.
I mean, surely those things arepretty well built.
I mean, like it would take someserious firepower to sink one
of those things those thingscost what trillion dollars?
Something crazy like they're soexpensive to make.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
It's like more than the GDP of half the world, right
.
And then you have submarines,like dude, I always thought it
was like Australia.
So this is the funny thing,there's a documentary about
Australia and you would thinklike, oh, they're a normal.
They're a larger country,well-developed, very like you,
like you know first world, likea normal metropolitan city.

(41:12):
They don't have any nuclearsubs, they are, they're still
using.
This is an island yes, this isan island continent that doesn't
have a navy, which is thecraziest thing.
But or they have a navy, butnot when you think navy like
Navy.
It's just like massive Dieselsubs.

(41:33):
They're buying our olddecommissioned subs from the US
for like a hundred, like millionit was like some absurd number.
So we're teaching them how touse them.
But there is our old nuclearsubs.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Stuff that a modern sub can hear forever away,
because those, those subs areloud, so you and they're not as
technologically capable, nowherenear.
I mean I'm sure that they coulddo some upgrading on some of
the you know navionics and youknow the, the navigation
equipment and maybe some of theweapons upgrades.
I'm sure they could be upgradedsome, but it's still a decent
so it's all nato stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Well, like, not the weapons are, but like the whole,
like sonar and stuff that'sgoing to be, they can't stay out
nearly as long you can't stayunder nearly as long as a
nuclear sub so then you reallyyour only, only limitation with
a nuclear sub is people.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, well, food the humans, yeah yeah, you got to
have food, but you're reallyonly limited on how long your
humans can live.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Because those things?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
can stay under a long time, exactly, it produces
water air everything.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
But then you look at a country like China and you see
news reports oh, their Navy isso big, there's so much
misinformation and that was thewhole reason I went into that
spiel about america going likerunning through iraq, because we
are, we're not a paper tigerlike our equipment does what it
says it's supposed to do.
If we say we have a stealthfighter, we have a stealth
fighter, we're gonna prove ityeah, we don't see it.
You see, like the biggest thingwas like russia.

(43:04):
They're like oh, they havethese sixth gen, fifth gen
stealth fighters like where,where I don't see them, that's
because they don't exist.
You would see, like oh, theyhave a prototype well, they
would like these big things,like oh, they have these, these
uh tanks with like dazzlersystems and they're impervious
to, to you know, javelinmissiles, and you have stealth

(43:26):
fighters that are like sixth gen.
Like you don't see them.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
It's all like propaganda now that terminator
is a pretty cool tank.
Have you seen that thing?
it's got the like quad guns onit yeah, but again machine guns
that's like something you see ina parade like you see like
they're using them in ukrainenow they're getting blown up
left.
I mean, don't get me wrong,they're not invincible, right,
but it is a pretty impressiveweapon.

(43:49):
I saw a video of uh, one of thegunners on the terminator using
it's like holy crap.
I think it put out somefirepower.
But one thing I noticed whatpeople are saying about it is
that it is um very inaccurate.
The guns heat up real badthey're not really zeroed well,
so it's like kind of more of aspray and pray type of thing.
But some bitch can put out somestraight up firepower and
they're not really zeroed well.
So it's like kind of more of aspray and pray type of thing.

(44:09):
But some bitch can put out somestraight up firepower and
they're big.
I mean on the battlefield, ifyou didn't have a way to combat
it, it'd be a frightening thingto see because I mean, if you
look at them they're crazylooking throw some javelins at
it.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean I'm notsaying yeah, they can obviously
be destroyed.
I mean yeah, yeah, redneck witha javelin can probably destroy
one.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Watch this yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
But it is a crazy weapon, I mean, and they are
making them.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Well, the big thing that I was trying to mention is
just like a lot of it ispropaganda, A lot of it is
they're overstating theeffectiveness of what it can do,
and that was very pertinent inRussia, and I would say it's
going to be the exact same forChina, because you see China, oh
, they have these new.
Have you seen their new stealthbomber?

(44:54):
That looks exactly like our B-2bomber, but it has like it's
like AI made it, yeah, but ithas like little winglets on it.
I'm like so it's like literallythe same exact thing with
winglets.
Yeah, but you've actually neverseen these aircraft.
You've never that you would seethem around, but you don't One
thing.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
I can say about America in terms of our military
industrial complex.
I know I talk a lot of crapabout military industrial
complex just because of all ofthe crooked crap that goes on in
our government and a lot of thesweetheart deals and backdoor
deals and, let's say, insidertrading, stock trading and all

(45:32):
the stuff that you know we getangry when we hear our
politicians engaging in insidertrading and coming up with these
sweetheart deals and no bidcontracts.
I mean, yeah, those things pissus off, but at the end of the
day, strip all that away andjust go down to the military
industrial complex as a machine,as an entity, as a business, as
whatever you want to call it.
We do have some of the bestproduction capabilities.

(45:55):
I mean we can manufacture themost high-tech weaponry, the
best navigation devices andwhatever.
All the different types ofcontrol.
What do you call it?
Like the delivery systems andthings for getting these bombs
to precisely go where we want,like all of those delivery

(46:18):
systems and aiming systems andearly detection systems of radar
and the HUDs, and I mean thesefancy $250,000 helmets that our
pilots wear that have the HUD init and all this crazy stuff
that gives them a really goodview of the battlefield.
I mean, let's see through theplane.
Yeah, we have amazing technologyand it's not just, oh, we do a

(46:40):
military show and show off somelittle I don't know concept
aircraft or something like that.
No, we can produce this stuffin numbers.
We can actually manufacturethis stuff.
And while I don't doubt thatChina or Russia could make a
really awesome one-off, now it'sone thing to do a one-off.
It's another thing tomanufacture that item in numbers

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effectively and for them tohold up well in a combat theater
and have part support and traintechnicians to work on them and
, of course, a whole system tosupport that aircraft or that
tank or that whatever it is, oraircraft carrier.
I mean, imagine that anaircraft carrier has to have a

(47:22):
machine shop on board just to beable to service its own
existence.
You have a number of engineersthat work on that aircraft
carrier.
If something breaks, they don'tjust call someone to fix it,
they fix it.
They are there.
It's like, all right, make thepart.
All right, we're going to makethis part and fix it and replace

(47:43):
it.
Oh, we're going to weld this,we're going to you know, oh,
plumbing.
All right, we have a team ofplumbers.
It's like it's a city on theocean.
It has to sustain itself as acity would sustain itself and it
has the everything a city wouldhave you got plumbers, you got
welders, you got, you know,repairmen, machinists, cooks,
trash men, janitors, think aboutit.

(48:06):
Whatever society has in greatersociety in your city as such
does that floating city musthave to sustain all the lives on
that vessel including thepopulation.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I mean it's, I think the they estimate.
They don't release exactnumbers due to like opsec, but
it's estimated to be around 10to 11 000 people.
Could you imagine a floatingvessel with 10 to 11,000 people?
Could you imagine a floatingvessel with 10 to 11,000 people,
plus armament?
Yeah, dude, get out of here,man you got pilots.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I mean you got pilots .
You have to maintain aircraft.
I mean there's a lot of stuffthat goes into running that
freaking city on the ocean.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Tomahawks, they have jets.
They have planes, they haveplanes, they have everything,
man Bomb loaders.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
You have to have so much expertise Now.
Do the Chinese and the Russianspossess that amount of
knowledge and expertise andlogistical acumen to be able to
go toe-to-toe with us with thatsort of thing and undo it with
11 of them?
No, they can't even come closeto building something that
magnificent.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I don't even think Russia has an aircraft carrier,
do they not?
I think the one that they hadgot sunk by a drone strike.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Didn't the Ukrainians blow it up?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
but it wasn't even a good one.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
It was like a flagship type of vessel they had
.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
What a fighter.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
What did they call it ?
Like a destroyer that they had,like a real nice destroyer
vessel.
Yeah, it was one of them, and Ithink Ukrainians just flew a
drone into it or something.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
But their aircraft carrier was supposed to be like,
oh, the pride of Russia.
And it was like spewing blacksmoke.
It was like old technology.
That's what I'm saying.
A lot of this stuff from othercountries is propaganda, and
what I want to say like Americadropping those bunker buster
bombs in Iran how much of thatwas just like hey we can do this

(50:01):
.
Yeah, like we can, and we havethe tools and we will use them.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
You know, this is what I imagined happening.
I don't know if this is whathappened.
This is how I imagine ithappening.
Right, someone from the unitedstates calls the iranians and
says look, we don't want to killy'all, but on this day, at this
time, we're going to drop avery big damn bomb in this exact

(50:26):
place.
We know where it is.
We know you're making yournuclear goo down there and rich
uranium.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
You know we're gonna get all the scientists to leave.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
We're not.
We don't want to kill anybody.
Y'all need to leave, but we'regonna blow this up at this time.
If you choose to be there, it'sup to you, but we suggest y'all
leave.
And I think that's what theydid.
I think they warned them.
I think they warned them.
I.
I don't think they wanted tokill anybody.
I think they just wanted tomake a point.
Well, you got it.
Like, if we want you, we'regoing to get you.
Well, they launched what.

(50:57):
I don't think anybody died.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I think they told them to leave.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Well, they launched what?
Two B-2 and they flew 24 hoursstraight all the way, like
there's plenty of time.
They knew, I mean, but to thinkabout that, that aircraft was
not shot down Like a big oldstealth fighter?

(51:22):
Well, it's a stealth fighter.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Maybe they didn't see it, maybe they couldn't detect
it.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
They absolutely couldn't.
But people talk they're like,oh yeah, that's fake, like I
don't know man.
They just dropped like 16 bombson you and you didn't do
nothing.
I think they warned them Iwould agree.
I really do.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I don't think we want to kill a bunch of Iranian
scientists.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
What do we have?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
to benefit from that.
The world needs brilliantpeople that can do know how to
do that kind of stuff.
Well, I don't think they'rethat evil.
I think they warned them Ireally do.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Operation paperclip has entered the chat, you know
if you guys don't know whatoperation paperclip is go, look
it up.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I really do I really do think they warned them.
Yeah, I mean, and how much ofthat stuff goes on, like who
really cut the nordstrompipeline?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I think they.
I think they found out thatthat was like uh, inside, not
inside, but the russians youthink so.
The russians cut it just sothey could say that that was
like inside, not inside, but theRussians, you think so, the
Russians cut it, just so theycould say oh, it was the
Ukrainians.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
It seems like the same type of wordplay where
they're always just trying tomake the other out to be bad and
, like you mentioned, operationPaperclip, basically instigating
internal violence in order tochange hearts and minds on a
given idea.
I mean, would our owngovernment carry out some type

(52:34):
of terrible thing against itsown people in order to make
everyone think it was someoneelse?
Of course, I'm not going to gothere and put my tinfoil hat on
Now.
I think everyone has theirvarying opinions about things
like 9-11 and so on and so forth.
I'm not going to dare make aclaim of any sort, but it is

(52:54):
kind of random to think thatyour own government is capable
of doing very awful things toyou in the name of furthering
this huge clusterfuck that isour global policy.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I don't know if it there's a lot of money changing
hands bro yeah, I don't know ifit extends as far as to like
what some people feel like 9-11,but I will say that you know
the CIA did and this isdocumented did carry out
psychedelic like LSD experimentson innocent men, you know,

(53:33):
using prostitutes.
That is a documented likeoperation that they did to see
if they could, you know, coerceyou to do something under the
influence.
So no, I don't think it'soutside the realm of possibility
for our government to docertain things.
I think that there just mightbe some distinction on what

(54:05):
level they're prepared to do it.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
It's funny you mentioned the psychedelics,
because that's always beensomething that's been.
A huge fascination of mine ispsychedelics and I don't ever
really discuss the subject.
So I'm glad you brought that up, because I think what happened
in the sixties is that ourgovernment saw that there was
all these, you know, warprotesters and let's just say

(54:27):
for a better lack of term thehippie movement, whatever you
want to call it this youngculture of people who were
anti-war, anti-us foreign policy, and they were all using
psychedelics.
And I think, over time, withenough experimentation and just
sort of knowledge of the subjectand as well as just observation
of the human condition at thetime and where society was going

(54:48):
, I think they viewedpsychedelics not only as, let's
just say, a dangerous weapon,but almost an anti-weapon,
almost a like oh well, whenpeople use these psychedelics
they sort of wake up to thebullcrap and they reorganize
their brains and the neuralpathways are connected in a way
that allows them to think in newand different ways that might

(55:08):
not be ways that they used tothink in, and maybe they view
psychedelics as, wow, this maybe not a weapon, maybe this is
more of a cure to the socialcondition that we want people to
be a part of, but they don'twant to be a part of, a
counterculture that was so farremoved from what our policy
really was and what our goalswere.

(55:30):
It's like oh, we have to outlawthis.
We cannot allow people to havepsychedelics.
If psychedelics were a weapon,then they'd let you use them
every day, wouldn't they?
If psychedelics made you dumband easy to control and whatever
in between, or allowed you tobe manipulated by some commander
on a battlefield, well thenwouldn't they be using

(55:50):
psychedelics for that Right?
Wouldn't they allow it to beused?
Oh, they'd be putting it in thewater.
They'd be putting LSD in thewater if that were the case.
But do you see that happening?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
No, it's because they can't tax it.
It's Title I.
Right, it's Title I.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
They can't make money off drug because I think they,
not because of its danger butbecause of its benefits.
And I will say the VA isoffering ketamine injections and
ketamine at higher doses.
It is a psychedelic but it mustbe administered at a very high

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dose in order to actually have apsychotropic effect as a
psychedelic, which also meansyou're not moving anywhere
because you're going to belaying there, unable to move, in
that moment you're definitelythere for the ride, but they're
doing low dose ketamineinjections in order to, let's
just say, help with depressionand PTSD.
So the VA is experimenting alittle bit with low-level

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psychedelics in order to treatPTSD and things like that, and
it's my hope that maybeeventually, you know, they will
be able to use things like themushrooms and maybe higher
injections of ketamine and maybeeven DMT and things like that
in order to try and help some ofthese veterans get through some
of their episodes and getthrough some of their depression

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and some of their deep lyingdemons that have been buried.
And I think that thesepsychedelics are very powerful
and I think they're very usefulto society when treated with
respect in the way that theydeserve to be treated.
And that's all I'll say aboutthat.
But it's interesting.
You brought up psychedelicsbecause I think the CIA they
wanted to weaponize psychedelicsand I think they realized there

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was nothing weapon about it.
It was actually like a cure,yeah, a strange cure that they
they couldn't explain what itwas curing and they were so
afraid of it that they had tooutlaw it I would agree I don't
think, I don't.
It didn't have the intendedeffect no, it didn't.
And there were a lot of timestoo in foreign countries where

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they would just spike people'sfood and water with LSD just to
see what it would have on thepopulation.
And I know you probably haveseen that YouTube video where
the British paratroopers weregiven LSD.
No, it's all black and whitefootage.
Yeah, so there was like someBritish paratroopers.
I don't know if it was itmight've been maybe the Korean
war era in the fifties,something like that but they

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gave a bunch of paratroopersbefore military exercise they
gave them LSD, and of coursethey were just laughing and
carrying on and goofing aroundLike they didn't care nothing
about the mission.
They were just laughing, lookingat the trees Like it made them
completely combat ineffective.
So, yes, could LSD be used as aweapon to make a unit combat
ineffective?
Yes, probably so, at highenough doses.

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They proved that with theBritish paratroopers.
Yeah, man, but there are otheruses that it has too.
So there are positive andnegatives, depending on what the
overall intent is.
If the intent is to subjugateyou and get you to do something
crazy like go attack thatvillage against your own
personal well-being, well,you're definitely not going to

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do that under LSD.
You're probably going to wanderoff and go look at trees or
whatever you're going to do, butyou're not going to do that.
Go talk to the bush.
Yeah, interesting thoughtprocess here.
The world police there arepositives and negatives.
The question is, are there morenegatives than positives or

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vice versa?
Do you think that there aremore positives to us being this
world police model?
And because America is such amorally centered people, of
morally sound people, especiallypeople who are multi-generation
military families right Beenserving a long time, do you

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think that America has thefortitude and the moral compass
to be that police and that ifthere ever were going to be some
world police, that we would bethe right people for that job.
I think that answer honestly isyes.
If anyone should do it, itshould be us.
I don't agree with all the stuffwe do in terms of foreign
policy.
I don't agree with the wars allthe time, I don't agree with

(59:59):
all the bloodshed and violence,but I do understand that as a
whole social construct of theworld, as a stage, that
sometimes these things arenecessary and that's hard to
come to terms with, because Idon't like seeing all the wars
that we support and things.
I hate that.
But are we the right people forthe job?
I think that answer is yes.
If it's going to exist, itshould be us.

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I would rather be us thananybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I agree.
I think if you frame it in thatmanner, if you frame it in the
manner of there has to be one, Iwould say it has to be us.
It has to be the freest countryon earth, to the point where we

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don't just go around blackbacking our own citizens and
arresting them and throwing themin prison without due process.
We understand that othercountries might not have those
laws, but we treat them asthough with enough respect that
we don't expect them to do thatto their citizens.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I think that generally we don't conduct
ourselves as conquerors.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
And I think that's important too.
If we're going to, let's say,preach about our way of life to
other people and try to spreadour way of life to other people,
and if that really is theintention is to spread our way
of life to other people, wellthen why could we possibly have
any sort of moral high ground ifthe first thing we're going to
do is take you over and make youour subject and I don't think

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America does that?
I mean, look after World War II,we picked the Japanese up and
dusted them off and, like it'sgoing to be all right, we got
you, we helped them rebuild.
I mean it's like you know, yeah, it was terrible.
Yeah, war sucks.
Yeah, we gave each other a bigblack eye In Japanese culture.
The Japanese are not taughtabout World War II.
No, they're not.
They're given a quick little.
Okay, some bad stuff happened.

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We lost.
Let's move on.
Yeah, they don't talk aboutdetail World War II, but look, I
got a lot of respect for theJapanese.
They didn't complain.
They picked themselves up,dusted themselves off and they
rebuilt and they have a thrivingeconomy now.
So it's like, yeah, america waspartially responsible, of
course, yeah, we hurt them realbad, but we also, afterwards, we

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didn't go all right.
Well, this island's ours.
We didn't take them over, didwe?
We could have, we could have,we could have easily, while they
were down, kicked them whilethey were down, did we do that?
No, we respected their culture,we respected their identity, we
respected who they were and wepicked them up and dusted them
off and said all right, we'llhelp you rebuild, it's all right
, don't worry about it.
No, all hands are off.

(01:02:40):
Hey, like I mean, what countrywould do that?
Put that shoe on the other footon another country.
If China bombed someone andthen went in, what do you think
they'd do?
Oh, that place is going to beChina, it's going to be part of
China If Russia did it right.
What's Russia doing right now,Taking over Ukraine?
You think they're there toprotect the identity of the

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people who live there.
No, they want to take the placeover.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
They want to make Russia like all Russia.
They just want to make Russiabigger.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
And I don't really get the feeling that that's what
our foreign policy is reallyabout.
I do feel like we're a nationwhereby we may not always get
things right and we may havesome slip-ups and, yeah, we've
done some bad things over theyears.
As citizens, though, is that wegenerally just want to spread

(01:03:32):
our way of life to other people,because we you know I know that
trope is used all the time oh,we fight for freedom.
It's not really like that, butI do feel like we could be way
worse to people than we are.
I think we do.
We do generally do the rightthing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
When pressed with the issue, you know we do the right
thing.
We didn't want to take overSouth Korea, right?
We didn't want to.
Oh well, let's just moveAmerica's borders.
No, like South Korea, southKorea, Korea's Korea, japan's
Japan we didn't want to takeanyone over, we wanted to
preserve who they were when itwas all over, and I think that's
commendable.
I mean, I think, if anything, Ithink it proves that we're very

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morally sound people and wehave principles and values that
we, that we want other people tohave too.
And I think it goes to say alot about who we are as people.
Maybe not our government Idon't always trust what our
government does but I think whowe are as people is pretty
distinctively pretty honorable,I think, overall.
I would agree.
Yeah, I think so.
Well, look guys, we getting ona time on today's show.

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it sounds like we got a lot ofthings out that we probably had
buried deep for a while.
That's good, I'm glad we didthat.
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