LLP Ep136: The Assassination of Charlie Kirk and America's Spiritual Awakening

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Charlie Kirk's assassination has sparked an unexpected spiritual awakening across America, revealing profound truths about our cultural landscape that few could have anticipated. What began as a senseless tragedy has transformed into a powerful catalyst for change, uniting conservatives while exposing the stark moral divide between political movements.

Kirk wasn't just another conservative voice – he was uniquely effective because of his approach. Walking onto college campuses without pretense, he engaged students in respectful dialogue, allowing them to speak their minds before responding with facts rather than emotion. This method made him exceptionally dangerous to those who rely on controlling information and indoctrinating youth. At just 31 years old, he represented everything the radical left feared: an articulate, principled conservative who could connect with young Americans through reason rather than rhetoric.

The aftermath of Kirk's death has been particularly revealing. While churches fill to capacity and prayer vigils attract thousands, certain leftist circles celebrated his murder with shocking callousness. This contrast hasn't gone unnoticed by everyday Americans who increasingly recognize the moral bankruptcy of radical leftism. What's emerging is a genuine religious revival – people returning to faith, embracing traditional values, and rejecting the chaos of progressive extremism. Kirk's organization name, "Turning Point USA," has taken on prophetic significance as his death may indeed mark America's turning point back toward its foundational principles.

As we process this tragedy, we're witnessing either the desperate escalation of a dying ideology or the beginning of its end. The Republican party appears poised to become the home for normal Americans seeking stability and traditional values. Meanwhile, Charlie's legacy grows stronger each day – not just through his words, but through the movement his death has ignited. By attempting to silence one voice, his enemies created thousands more.

Join us every Monday as we continue exploring the principles that make America exceptional and the cultural forces shaping our future. The conversation Charlie started continues through all of us who value truth, respect, and the freedom to speak without fear.

Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Welcome back, everybody.
This is Eric and Matt, and thisis Life, Liberty, and the
Pursuit.
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Alright, everybody, welcomeback.
This is Matt and Eric here withuh Life, Liberty, and the
Pursuit, your home foreverything free in a world of

(00:22):
absolute craziness anddebauchery and downright evil.
I mean, as we see, you know,here recently, there's been a
lot of terrible things happeningin our world.
And today's show, we hopeeveryone finds us well and happy
and healthy and loving theirfamilies and uh having a good
day here today.
And uh, what we'd like to talkabout in today's show is uh we

(00:43):
want to dive into what happenedto Charlie Kirk and some of the
ripple effects that it's had.
And um, you know, I uh withwithout the danger, let's just
say, of uh the risk of me uhdiving into sensationalism or
trying to, you know, I don'tknow, garner attention over
something tragic that happened.
That's something we're neverreally gonna do on the show.

(01:05):
You know, Matt, I always noticelike if something happens, some
event, we always try to kind ofsit back and let things marinate
for a while and really see whatpeople were saying and really
garner a solid opinion of thefacts a hand before we go diving
into a subject like this.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22):
No, you have to.
We are uh we are not a breakingnews segment.
Um if that's what you guys arelooking for.
There are tons uh of thosecreators out there, um, many of
which are in the two-way worldthat cover news.
Right that ain't us.
We like to, like you said,marinate, let all the facts come
out, and then you can thencreate an opinion.

(01:43):
You can't have an opinion if youdon't know all the facts.

SPEAKER_01 (01:45):
The last thing that you want to do is be a vampire
of somebody's joy or vampire ofthe world's terror.
Yep.
You know, and I and look, I knowwe all have to get news.
I get that, but I I've neverreally been big on news, the
idea of news, because news isnew, that's why they call it
news.
So it's I mean, from myperspective, I you know, I don't

(02:09):
like watching the news, I don'tlike knowing all the crazy
things that are going on in theworld at any one given time.
Sometimes in the world, thingshappen that are so important and
historic or terrible or tragicthat one cannot help but know
because it's everywhere.
Yeah, and that's what happenedwith Charlie Kirk.
You know, I remember the the daythat I found out about the

(02:32):
shooting, I was taken aback.
I, you know, we'll get into it alittle more, of course.
Um, but I was very taken abackwhen I found out.
I was surprised.
I knew who Charlie Kirk was at abird's eye level.
I knew about Turning Point USA,I knew about some of the stuff
that they've done.
You know, I knew he was goingaround to the campuses and and

(02:53):
talking to people and trying tohave a good, honest dialogue and
doing it quite well, I mightsay.
Um, so my initial reaction was,you know, sadness.
So I thought, well, well, damn,what did that poor guy do to
deserve that?
He's just, you know, goingaround, you know, respecting
people's opinions and listeningto people.
Now, of course, many timesproving them wrong, uh, which,

(03:15):
you know, no, nobody likes to beproven wrong.
And let's face it, there arepeople on certain political
persuasions that that theiropinions are relatively easily
disproven.
And some people don't like theidea of their reality as they
see it being challenged and ordisproven in such a concrete and

(03:37):
easy way.
That is not very hard todisprove some of the talking
points that the left puts outthere.
I mean, let's just be honest,because a lot of their opinions
are really just based onrhetoric and lies and
propaganda, and they relyheavily on indoctrination.
You know, their talking pointsrely heavily on their base being

(04:00):
uneducated or perhaps beingindoctrinated.
I mean, indoctrination is just atype of education that is um
what they want you to believe,and maybe not the the fact.
When you indoctrinate somebody,you you say, well, don't think
about that's it's like saying,you know, this orange is not the
color orange.

(04:20):
It's blue, you know, like likeGeorge Orwell.
Right.
Well, no, it's orange.
Wham! It's blue.
And then no matter what, as thestate tells you it's blue, it's
blue.
And the and that's gonna be yourdefinition of blue is gonna be
what they tell you it is.
And I think that there are apolitical faction within our
country who are hardcore aboutthe party, and whatever the

(04:42):
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opinions line up with, theyshare that opinion, whether they
personally want to believe it ornot.

SPEAKER_00 (04:51):
Well, a good example of that is Antifa.
You know, they um they say itstands for anti-fascist when in
fact all of their behavior andactions are in fact fascist.
So it's like they're trying topull the UNO reverse in an
attempt to make you think thatthat's not what it is.

(05:12):
But anybody that's ex seen thatexperience, they're like, that's
fascist.

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(05:38):
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Absolutely.
So back to Charlie Kirk.
I mean, I remember when I foundout again, like I said, I was I
was very upset and very takenaback, and I couldn't believe
what I was seeing.
And then, of course, as manythings when a tragedy occurs, of
course, the rumor meal starts tocome around and everybody starts
to talk about, you know, who wasthe shooter, you know, what was

(08:12):
it a professional hitman?
Was it this, was it that?
And everyone's gonna have theirtheories and everything like
that.
And of course, as you know, inthe time following the shooting,
you know, they arrested thisolder guy or detained this older
guy thinking that he was theshooter, but it turns out he was
just a decoy to try and help thereal shooter get away.
That ends up being pretty much,I think, what they've determined

(08:33):
at this point.
You know, this guy sympathizedwith the shooter immediately and
decided to try to help him getaway.
I don't and from what I cantell, I don't think this old man
knew the shooter at all.
He just was a crazy leftist whosaw an opportunity to, I don't
know, obstruct justice, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 (08:50):
Yeah, well, there was a few of them.
There was also the other guywith the beard that, you know,
had some weird story about, youknow, like, oh, he was trying to
distract like any type of likeadditional shots or anything.
I'm like, uh, whatever.
It's it's a weird, yeah, it'svery strange.
It's it there is a lot of foodthere for a conspiracy theorist

(09:10):
to munch on.
I'll tell you that.
There is not, it isn't a verylike cut and dry thing, it's a
lot of little tiny things there.
And again, I I look at it asvery cut and dry.
Um, but there's I can see how aconspiracy theorist or a group
of people could look at that andand try to piece something

(09:30):
together.

SPEAKER_01 (09:31):
Oh, yeah.
And and believe me, there's beenmultiple theories inbound about
all of this stuff.
And and the last thing I wouldever want to do in this podcast
is disparage the memory ofCharlie.
You know, I did not know CharlieKirk very well.
I know a lot of people in theconservative community knew him
well, met him, worked with him,um, you know, maybe
professionally worked with himin terms of, you know, actually

(09:52):
doing stuff with him and collabsand things, or at least have
gone to some of his uh, youknow, talks that he does at the
campuses and stuff.
So there he was a very loved andrespected person in the
conservative community and anduh and very hated in other
communities.
And and the problem is, youknow, yeah, you're you're gonna
make enemies doing that sort ofstuff.

(10:13):
And um, there was a, you know,of course, a huge outpour of
support for Charlie.
And uh I did not know him verywell, but but I quickly began
to, and and I believe my viewlines up pretty well with a lot
of other people in America,okay?
Someone who maybe at a bird'seye level was familiar with
Charlie Kirk and his work, buthad not really looked into it

(10:35):
super heavy.
You know, he was really tryingto appeal more to the younger
crowd, appealing more to thecollege audiences.
And, you know, I knew what hewas doing, but I didn't follow
it, follow it much because Iguess I just figured, well, he's
really talking to the youngkids.
In my mind, I thought, okay,Charlie Kirk is the guy who goes
around to the colleges and getsthe young people to think
differently.

(10:55):
Like maybe you can change yourmind about something you have a
really strong opinion on ifCharlie just breaks down the
facts for you.
Now, yeah, of course, we lovewatching all the meltdowns of
people who get really upsettalking to Charlie.
But when you get upset, when youhave that response, something
worked, something clicked.
They may not want to admit that,oh wow, maybe my thinking was

(11:15):
wrong on this, maybe my factswere wrong on this particular
situation, but you can tell thatthere's some gears turning.
And I guarantee a lot of thosepeople went on to probably
change their minds.
And when you have somebody, afigure like Charlie, who is so
effective at getting the youthto see the truth for what it is
and to really engage in thefacts and get rid of all the

(11:38):
rhetoric and the bull crap,governments they fear that kind
of stuff.
Movements fear that kind ofstuff.
When you're talking to a groupof people who rely on
misinformation and lies andindoctrination, and they rely on
controlling information,controlling the flow of the
media and controlling the flowof information on social media

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and controlling what pundits goout and say in public.
Okay, someone's gonna go andgive a presentation at a college
campus.
Oh, well, we have to make surethat person's a leftist so that
our ideology, so of course, yousee all these leftists get paid
tons of money to go to thesecolleges and give.
I mean, what Barack Obama gets,oh my gosh, what, like a$650,000

(12:21):
speaking fee just to show up ata school and give some some
thoughts.
Yep.
Now that might be a bad examplebecause he's a former president,
but there are situations whereleftist pundits who are, let's
just say, similarly as famous asCharlie, of course, they're
gonna get paid a lot of money togo to these places and really do
what's essentially damagecontrol to try to undo what

(12:43):
people like Charlie do on thesecampuses.

SPEAKER_00 (12:45):
And and the difference is Charlie does it
for free.
He'll sit down in the courtyardof a public campus because it's
it's not private property atthat point, which is which is
and another person that did thatwas uh Crowder.
So they would they're good.
I will say the different majordifference, Crowder was very
good, and I don't know if hestill does it.

(13:05):
I know he was really big on itbefore the Change My Mind
series.
Um he was a lot less tactful, soCharlie had a way of doing it
and not making not coming off sosmug.
He would actually try to educateyou if you wanted to have a
conversation, and that's reallywhat got me turned on to the the
whole, you know, watching thatwhole series and his his podcast

(13:29):
and his content was that he wasvery respectful.
You know, I would be uh at theshop working and we would just
have it on and listening andwatching while we work, because
you know, it's very monotonouswork making producing garments,
so we just have it running inthe background.
Um, and the first thing thateverybody at the shop noticed,
including myself, was that hewas very respectful about how he

(13:50):
conducted himself.
Um, he will he never tried toshut you down in a negative
manner.
He would always be very polite.
Uh, and that honest, quitehonestly, is probably what
angered a lot of people becausethey weren't he wasn't
reciprocating that that level ofanger back towards them.
They would be very upset uh atwhat his stance was, and he

(14:12):
would just talk to you like anormal human being, like you
should, um, and not let emotionsget in get involved.

SPEAKER_01 (14:19):
Nothing makes a leftist more angry than when
they try to draw you into someemotional, unhinged argument,
and you do not allow them tohave that power over you.
Yep.
If if you keep your cool, you'recalm, you're collected, you
smile, you go, Well, I don'tagree with that, but hey, here's
what I think.
Well, no one cares what youthink.

(14:40):
So see, really the truth is theydon't want to, they don't give a
rat's ass what you have to say.
They don't want to hear what youhave to say.
They're right in their mind, andnothing's gonna change their
mind, and they have a and andand if anything, they hate you
even more because your opinionis right.
They know, and and what's what'sso jacked up about it is some of
them, they know the truth.

(15:02):
Like they're not, I don't thinka lot of them are ignorant.
I think that they're justemboldened.
I think that they're I thinkthat they're so I don't know,
they've drank the Kool-Aid somuch with their political views
that they they simply don't carethat they're wrong.
They know they're wrong and theydon't care.
Now, there's gonna be some outthere that, you know, yeah,

(15:24):
they've drank the Kool-Aid atsuch a level that they really do
believe what they're saying iscorrect.
But I think the rank and fileones, the ones that are, let's
just say, the ones that areattached to some of these um
PACs, you know, some of theseare getting PAC money and
they're getting politicalcontributions, they're getting
slush money from various umpolitical associations that they

(15:47):
have, whatever, they're wellconnected.
They're actually connected tothe party.
You know, they're gettingtalking points from the party,
they're getting bullet pointsfrom the party, they're getting
marching orders from the party.
Essentially, they're footsoldiers of the party directly,
and they receive funds.
You know, these are the kind ofpeople that they don't work,
they don't have regular jobs,they're being supported,
essentially.
Yeah.

(16:07):
Of course, they pay theirmortgage or their rent, they pay
their bills, they haverequirements of life, just like
any of us would, but they'rebasically being supported by
this, you know, dark overseerthat basically makes it their
full-time job to just be a thornin the side.
So those rank and file leftists,they know it's wrong.
They know it's wrong, they justdon't care because, like, oh,

(16:29):
well, I'm getting$150,000 ayear, slush money.
Yep, I'm gonna go to everyrally, I'm gonna, you know, go
online because all they have todo all day is go online and
argue with people and post, youknow, a bunch of crap on social
media.
And of course, you know, thesepacks go in and probably buy
them followers on social media.
So they they have the oh man,like so-and-so's a leftist

(16:52):
pundit.
He's got this huge following.
Right.
And you notice how easy thoseguys get ratioed.
Right?
You look at a leftist influenceron on X, and those those suckers
get ratioed all the time.
Because the people that know,they come in and they go, you're
full of crap, and here's why.
And then you start seeingcommunity notes show up.

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And they're just consistentlywrong, and they don't care that
they're wrong, but they're beingpaid to be wrong.
They know they're wrong, theydon't care.
So I think there's a lot ofpeople like that.
They're receiving money from theDemocrats, they're receiving
money from those dark, slushoperations, George Soros or
whoever.
I mean, it could be Bloomberg,who who knows.
It's some leftist billionairewho's paying these people to do

(17:33):
all this stuff, you know,without the danger of sounding
like some sort of you know,theorist or whatever.
You know, I hate to use the wordconspiracy theorists because the
thing is, is what happens ispeople wind up being proven
right a lot.
And and part of the issuebecomes that this term has
become such a negative term thatit makes people afraid to

(17:56):
speculate.
So without saying, all right,some conspiracy theory or
whatever, let's just sayspeculation, there is some
speculation among certaincircles that possibly this
situation with poor Charlie is aresult of some shenanigans with
some dark slush money somewhere,that maybe someone was being

(18:18):
paid off to do this, or maybe umthey were working under these
people somehow or whatever.
I mean, there there's talk ofTim Walls.
Okay, have you heard, you know,the guy that ran for president?
Vice president, right?
Vice president, VP, he was yeah,Call C P.
Yep.
And there was talk of Tim Walls,you know, really calling people
to violence and calling peopleto act and stuff like this.

(18:40):
And there, and there's sometalk, and maybe people can
correct me if I'm wrong, butunless I'm reading into it
wrong, that the shooter wound upbeing somehow connected to Tim
Walls somewhere, eitherthroughout through association
or maybe it was his father, orit was some there was some
connection somewhere that Ithink they found in some of his
social media posts that he itwouldn't surprise me.

SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
I mean, he right he was a leftist, yeah.
And he had a transgenderedboyfriend.
They called him a roommate,yeah.
See, that's so weird, right?
Like, if I uh I would like tointroduce my roommate and my
wife.
Like, no, she is my wife, she isnot my roommate.

SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
This is my I think it's strange that they're saying
roommate.
Yeah, I think they're trying tobe politically correct.
I I don't think the person was aroommate.

SPEAKER_00 (19:27):
That was that that was their uh significant other
at the time, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (19:31):
It's like I don't believe for one second that it's
a roommate.

SPEAKER_00 (19:34):
Yeah, I mean I mean it's it's just it is it is I saw
that and I I heard it and I waslike, that's so weird.

SPEAKER_01 (19:39):
Why don't I just say boyfriend or girlfriend versus
roommate and girlfriend or thepossibility, Matt, could be that
maybe it is just a roommate.
I mean, it I think that ourscrutiny of this comes from the
fact that we've been lied to forso freaking long by the media
and we've been lied to for solong, even by our own

(20:00):
government, that I wonder ifthere's some essential
wound-licking that is purposelybeing done so that people don't
lash out against, I don't know,the transgender community or
trans, you know, they're soworried about the downhill
effects of certain thingshappening.
It's almost like they'llself-soothe or they'll try to
they'll try to divert people'sattention away from certain

(20:22):
facts about the the issues athand so that they don't get more
angry.

SPEAKER_00 (20:28):
I think it's the opposite.
I think everybody's had enough.
I think there's so much fatiguethat nobody everybody doesn't
care.
Yeah, nobody cares, man.
As a matter of fact, they'reactually more quick to point out
anything now, and this is mypersonal experience.
They're more quick to point outanything than before.
Now, now you're just like, wow,okay, that nobody would have

(20:50):
said anything, you know, sixmonths ago.
That's very true.
And now they're like it's likethat that beam where the guy's
snapping and pointing, he'slike, hey, Matt, Matt, the
gloves are off.

SPEAKER_01 (21:00):
Yeah, and I think if anything, what this situation,
and and you know, I I I feelvery bad for for obviously for
Charlie and for his family andand all of this, it just sucks.
I mean, it happened right infront of his wife and kids.
Yeah, that's terrible, man.
How terrible and whateverpunishment that they come up
with for this guy, and and itseems to be that the the

(21:22):
prevailing opinion is is that Imean, they're like 99.999% sure
he's the guy that did it.
You know, they found socialmedia stuff, they found some
text threads between him and hisroommate where he admitted.

SPEAKER_00 (21:34):
Yeah, they read the entire text thread.
I was watching uh it was uh theactual uh court transcript.
Yeah, and they were reading itlike back and forth like this
person.

SPEAKER_01 (21:46):
I was like, dang, they're I mean, you pretty much
admitted to it right there.

SPEAKER_00 (21:50):
He's like, Oh, I just go back and get it.

SPEAKER_01 (21:52):
They found the gun that you mentioned in the text,
right?
You mentioned it what I think hehad said something like it was I
gotta go get my grandpa's rifle,like his old Mauser, whatever it
was, which I'm sure I don't knowif the grandpa's still alive or
not, but I would imagine he'sprobably gonna be in some
trouble.
Yep.
You know, they're probably gonnacome after him and be like, hey,
how did your grandson get a holdof your freaking hunting rifle?
I mean, okay, so all of thoseissues with standing, um, they

(22:16):
pretty much know that he's theguy.
He's more or less admitted.
He turned himself in, and Ithink he wound up telling his
dad, and his dad convinced himto turn himself in.
And his dad was a policeofficer, right?
And that was or some sheriff'sdeputy.

SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
And his dad seems like a pretty honorable dude,
man.
Um isn't that sad?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
Like to want to raise your kid to be normal, and
like it looked like, from what Icould tell, and and again, I'm
not trying to show freakingsympathy for the shooter, y'all.
Please do not take it that way.
He's a scumbag, and he deservesto be treated like a scumbag.
I'm talking about the dad here,y'all.
Okay, no dad wants to see theirkid go down a path of darkness

(22:57):
like that.
And it looked like, from theoutside looking in, I don't know
these people.
I haven't exactly done a lot ofstudying on the subject of these
people, but from just a bird'seye glance, it would seem that
he was raised in a somewhatnormal, uh, conservative type of
environment, but somehow becamesort of tarnished along the way

(23:18):
somewhere by outside forces.
And again, that is what this allcomes back to full circle is the
kind of things that producethese sort of people, is the
leftist movement.
And they're trying to pin thisguy as oh, he was a conservative
MAGA type.
Of course, the the media islying about it, trying to say he
was a because his parents were alittle bit more conservative.

(23:40):
That, oh well, he grew up in aconservative family, so he's a
conservative.
No, he had many leftist leaningtype of ideas, and he was
definitely not on on the on TeamTrump at all.

SPEAKER_00 (23:52):
So it's very interesting because I know a lot
of families, um, and I don'tknow why that happens.
I don't know if it's because thechildren have a natural um
inkling to be the opposite oftheir parents, like they don't
want to be like their parents,but I know a lot of families
where the the mother and fatherare Republicans or

(24:17):
conservatives, I should say, andthe kids are not.
And I and I wonder, I'm like,well, why does that happen?
And you know, I I just really,really believe it's because you
know, a chill a child has anatural uh affinity to not want
to be like their parents whenthey're younger, like and and

(24:37):
this goes like if you have kidsand you're watching you, you
absolutely know what I'm talkingabout.
If you tell them, hey, when youlearn to walk, start with your
left leg.
Which leg are they gonna startwith?
They're right.
If you say, hey, do it this way,they're gonna do it the other
way because they want to showthat it can be done the way that
you tell them not to do it.

(24:58):
And now when I look at thesefamilies and I meet their their
children, they're you know, Iwouldn't say they're full blown
left, but they definitely leanmore left and they're a little
bit more liberal, I should say.
Maybe not left, they're a littlebit more liberal than their
parents because maybe they don'twant to be like their parents,

(25:19):
and that's what I would maybethat's what happened.
Yeah.
Um, but I do see that quite abit.

SPEAKER_01 (25:25):
I think you're right.
I I think that that a lot ofkids tend to rebel against their
their parents and rebel againstwhat their parents want them to
do, you know.
Uh you know, for instance, youryour your granddad was a your
granddad was a cop, your dad wasa cop, your dad convinces you to
try to be a cop.
And that's the family business.
That's what we've always done.

(25:45):
We've always been cops, we'regood at it, blah, blah, blah.
It's in your blood, you know,they try to convince you.
Well, I don't want to be a cop,I want to be a criminal.
Or maybe that's a bad that's abad look, but but hey, I don't
want to be a cop.
I want to be uh a firefighter, Iwant to be a whatever, I want to
be an engineer.

SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
I want to be a dancer.
You don't want to be anengineer, want to go to dance
school, you don't want to be anengineer, you know, blah, blah,
blah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:07):
And so sometimes parents will will try to hold a
kid down in their aspirationswith a worry that they're gonna
fail, but not give them thechance to even fail.
But if you don't give them achance to fail, you never give
them a chance to succeed.
How are they gonna know if theywould have been an engineer or
an astronaut or whatever, a racecar driver or pro musician or

(26:29):
whatever it was I want to do, ifyou don't give them a chance to
fail, it doesn't take long totry and fail.

SPEAKER_00 (26:36):
Right?
It's easier to fail than tosucceed.

SPEAKER_01 (26:38):
It's way easier to fail than to succeed.
So if the kid wants to be atattoo artist for a living, by
God, buy him an apprenticeshipand let him tattoo for a little
while.
He's gonna find out quick ifit's for him or not, right?
Like, let them make that mistakebecause that's part of growing.
As part of a young man'sdevelopment is to go, wow, I
tried doing this for a while andI hated it and I thought I was

(27:01):
gonna love it.
And that shows how little Ireally know.
So I I do sympathize a bit withthe parents because I I don't
think that I don't think there'ssome parent out there that
thinks, oh my God, I I can'twait for my for my my young
child to be a school shooter oneday.
No, no one wants that.
I don't care if if someone is anextreme leftist.

(27:22):
Now, I don't know, the way someof these people reacted to
Charlie Kirk's death, you know,it would seem that like they're
raising their kids to act thatway.
They were completely in joy andcelebrating over this poor guy.
And I think that really was awake-up call for a lot of
people.
You know, when they saw the waythe left was acting completely

(27:43):
vile in every way about it,celebrating his death, making
fun of him, making mean, mean itwas it was atrocious, dude.

SPEAKER_00 (27:53):
I sickening.
Oh my god, dude.
Like I saw some of the stuff andI was like, there is no way that
is real because the amount thethe lack of empathy that you
have to have to do that isinsane.
And the fact that it came fromlike it wasn't like kids, if it

(28:16):
was like little kids, I wouldunderstand because they lack the
frontal cortex to be able tounderstand what the difference
is between right and wrong.
But these are college kids, andwhen I say college, like 21, 22,
I mean they ought to know bythem.
Like, you know the differencebetween right and wrong, you

(28:38):
have common sense, you know thatberating the poor guy is not
right, and you know, sayinglike, oh, he got what he
deserved.
Like, that's that's you youdon't even say that about people
that were like murdered forrobbing somebody, you don't say
that, but you would say thatabout uh a guy that would just
went on campus and was educatingother young Americans and often

(29:02):
non-Americans, right?

SPEAKER_01 (29:03):
Um and educating them in a way that you just
happen to greatly disagree with.
I mean, what this is, thesetypes of things, Matt, they that
when a movement is in its deaththroes, this is how people act.
So, in my opinion, there's oneof two ways that this could
really go, I think, socially forus as a country moving forward.

(29:25):
Either we have gotten the giantwake-up call and the slap in the
face.
I mean, you notice that uh hererecently, Charlie Kirk, they did
a rally for him and it was soldout, it's packed full of people,
churches are full, people aregoing to church.
That's a big thing that notmaybe not enough people were
talking about, you know.
Excuse me, Charlie was a verymuch, you know, very Christian

(29:47):
guy.
And, you know, a lot of peoplehave have started to think man,
you know, this guy gave his lifefor what he believed in, and he
knew the risk and he knew thedanger, and he did it anyway,
and he loved God.
And it makes a man self-reflectand go, like, man, you know, I
need to go to church.
Like, maybe we need to take thefamily to church.
Like, it's made people want tobe better Christians.

(30:09):
And you notice the churches havebeen fuller, these rallies are
getting sold out.
People are turning back to God,turning back to religion.
Now, no matter what anybodythinks about that, whether it's
good or bad, that's up toeveryone to decide.
I mean, I know there's some ofthe people watching my channel,
maybe they're not religious.
That's okay.
Or maybe you uh you support adifferent religion, that's all
right.

(30:29):
But for the purposes of, let'sjust say what I'm about to break
down in terms of the way thiscould go in either direction.
Anytime you see a tragedy bringpeople together religiously, um,
from a standpoint of society,and that politically and
religiously they intertwine andstrengthen.

(30:50):
And when you look athistorically the way that these
leftist type of uh situationstend to go when they start to
get violent, that can mean oneof two things, right?
It can mean that either the leftis getting bold and they're
going to step up the violenceand try to assert some sort of
uh dominance over the entirepolitical spectrum or or for

(31:12):
lack of better words, some sortof color revolution, right?
That's either that happens orit's a sign that these movements
are in their death throes.
And I think that's more correct.
I think the left realizesthey've lost the war on ideas.
Uh they went too far too quick,right?
They they went way too far downthe crazy rabbit hole of this

(31:34):
transgender stuff and and andand sexuality and uh you know
racial relations and uhpolitical violence and all these
calls to action.
And then, you know, they reallythey played their hand too hard
too quick, and within too smallof an amount of time, they tried
to enact too much change tooquickly, and I think they know
it.
And even some of the rank andfile Democrats have been kind of

(31:57):
like, all right, some of theolder ones are like, all right,
you know, like we see what y'allare doing, but maybe it wasn't
quite in their plans to bedriving that fast past the speed
limit.
These newer breed of Democrats,like uh Ilian Omar and uh AOC
and you know, the squad, right?
These younger Democrats, thesepoliticians, you know, they have

(32:19):
a much more radical approach toleftism than some of their older
counterparts.
And as these younger left orthese older leftists begin to
leave office or pass away orwhatever the case may be,
they're gonna be replaced withmore people like her.
So either the movement is gonnaget more traction and get more

(32:39):
crazier and get more deadly asmore people like AOC and Ilya
Omar be get in office underDemocrat leader and become part
of Democrat leadership, andtherefore the arbiters of policy
and slush money and no tellingwhat else they do to try to move
the needle.
Or two, they know that themovement is in its death throes,
and what you're gonna see ismaybe more younger uh candidates

(33:02):
who maybe they were becoming,you know, they were thinking
running for Democrat for office.
Either they're gonna run as aDemocrat and have more
libertarian middle of the roadpolicies as a Democrat, or
they're just gonna run as aRepublican, and the Republican
is gonna become the Republicanswill become the new party of

(33:22):
normal people.
Like, you know how thelibertarians always kind of tout
themselves as being just morenormal.

SPEAKER_00 (33:29):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (33:29):
But the truth is, yeah, there are some kind of
extreme libertarians too.
They have some kind of crazy,extreme ideas that maybe some of
us may not always agree with.
So just like the left has thisseries of people who are crazy
in their views, so do thelibertarians.
And the Republicans have maybesome people from each pool.
I think that's what we're gonnasee.
We're gonna see the RepublicanParty become more of a uniparty

(33:54):
that tries to kind of get downwith the fringe outer levels of
all the different views thatmaybe they previously disagreed
with.
That's why you're seeing someRepublicans support gun control,
because traditionally they mightnot have ever done it.
So you do see some Republicansupport for gun control.
You see our even our ownillustrious Republican president

(34:16):
called for certain things like,you know, um bump stock ban or
things like that, you know,whatever.
So we're not immune from thingshappening to us that we don't
agree with just because aRepublican is in office.
So that's where I see it going.
I think that leftism, I thinkextreme leftism, extreme
far-left ideology, for betterlack of terms, let's just say

(34:38):
the Democrat Party.
I think the Democrat Party knowstheir days are numbered, that
they're in their death throes.
I don't think they're ever goingto go away, but I think their
membership is gonna scatter andfall in with Republicans and
maybe libertarians, and orthey'll just run as
independents.
I mean, look what RFK did.
He tried to run as independent.

(34:58):
Of course, that he wasn'tsuccessful in that, but we knew
fiscally and just let's saymorally, he was really closer to
being Democrat than aRepublican.
But now we have a Republicanadministration, and look, they
brought him in.

SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
So well, as an independent, you have the
ability to be more of achameleon.
You can you can you know changeyour opinion and no one's gonna
blame you because you're anindependent.
You didn't you didn't choosesize.

SPEAKER_01 (35:22):
You're like But it's hard to get elected as an
independent.

SPEAKER_00 (35:25):
It's hard to get elect into an elected position,
but it's very easy to blend into an environment.
So once you're it once you'rein, now you have now it's almost
like an unfair advantage becauseyou can you can kind of sway
back and forth.
No one's really holding youaccountable.

SPEAKER_01 (35:40):
Well, look at look at Massey.
You know, everybody broughtMassey in, and and there's a lot
of Republican Democrats hateMassey, and there's a lot of
Republicans that hate Massey.
Even our own president is not abig fan of Thomas Massey.
And you know, Massey's likethat.
Like, yes, he's a Republican,but he's a rhino.

SPEAKER_00 (35:56):
But he's about he's a physical conservative.

SPEAKER_01 (35:59):
He's a fiscal conservative.

SPEAKER_00 (36:01):
If you're if you're gonna if you had to put a label
on because he's he I know he heconsiders himself more of a
libertarian, yes, but for thesake of being in office, he has
to choose one, right?
Because he didn't run as alibertarian.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (36:14):
So I think Massey is is at some times a fiscal
Republican, but I would say he'sa fiscal constitutionalist.

SPEAKER_00 (36:22):
This is a better thing.

SPEAKER_01 (36:24):
And he is a he is a he is a moral and societal
libertarian.

SPEAKER_00 (36:29):
Yeah, no, I would agree.

SPEAKER_01 (36:31):
But I think that he is a conservative only in the in
the in the standpoint that hewants to conserve what our
founding fathers built, notthat's what it is, though.

SPEAKER_00 (36:39):
Like you're you're you're to conserve ultimately
where we came from.
Yeah, like you're you'reconserving and upholding the
constitution of the UnitedStates of America, that's what
the term is.
Um now I just wanted to sayabout Charlie Kirk.
Sure.
Um he was the type of man, youhave to be a certain type of man

(37:01):
that both sides give you theutmost respect.
So when when he wasassassinated, when he was
murdered, usually if you werehe's a conservative, like he's
definitely not a a liberal, ifyou watched any of his content,
he's probably one of the few, ifnot the only person that

(37:26):
garnered respect from bothsides.
And that uh I noticed this whenuh my brother messaged me and he
was like, Man, who is thisCharlie Kirk guy?
And I was like, and you know,for all intents and my purposes,
my brother is a lit left-leaningguy.
Like, that's what he and youknow, it is what it is.
Um sorry, dude.

(37:47):
Um and he messages me and I'mlike, oh man, Charlie Kirk is,
you know, he's a he's a highlyeducated, self-taught guy that
goes around to you know collegecampuses and he educates uh
college students and he does itin a respectful manner.
He doesn't he doesn't shut themdown, he allows them to finish

(38:07):
his sentences um and finishtheir point, and then he he
responds, you know, verypoignantly and and you know
politely.
Um and also, and that's why bothsides liked him.
And then he sent back, he waslike, That's what I'm seeing.
I'm and that's the only reason Iheard heard of him because you
know he obviously his algorithmpushes a lot of you know

(38:29):
left-leaning news.
And what he was telling me isthat they all were like, you
know, very sad and like they allhad a lot of respect for him on
that side.
And I was like, that'sinteresting.
You know, that's what I wouldimagine.

SPEAKER_01 (38:41):
I mean, it's it's good to see when there's there's
still some, you know, humanity.

SPEAKER_00 (38:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (38:46):
Like I know that Jimmy Kimmel, you know, everyone
I know we had mentioned that wewere gonna probably briefly talk
about Jimmy Kimmel.
I don't want to spend a lot oftime talking about this guy, but
he gave some pretty derogatory,nasty comments.
All right.
And ABC pulled him from the air.
Like they they pulled his show.
Now, I'm not gonna get into allof the uh rigmaran of why the

(39:06):
show was pulled because theywere saying that, yeah, like the
numbers are way down, they werelosing a bunch of money anyway,
and that was just sort of thecatalyst.
Point is, is not doesn't reallymatter what he said overall.
I guess what really matters isthat society will always
self-regulate.
And, you know, you look atCandace Owens got fired for her
views, you look at all theconservatives who got censored

(39:27):
and fired and and shamed fortheir views, in some cases,
deplatformed completely.
Yeah.
And the left celebrated thatthese people lost their voice,
lost their community, lost theirplatform.
You know, the the left can onlywin in the war of ideas if you
are simply removed from thestage.
And that is the scary part aboutcensorship.

(39:48):
And, you know, here we are whenwe see a leftist who gets fired,
uh, not only because, I mean,yeah, their views are my they
go.

SPEAKER_00 (39:55):
From a private company, in my view.

SPEAKER_01 (39:57):
A private company can fire someone if they want
to.

SPEAKER_00 (39:59):
That's their own.

SPEAKER_01 (40:00):
You're an employee, and if you say something they
don't like, they can fire you.
That's right.
Okay.
So I think it's funny whensomething like that happens to
them, they want to scream, oh,it's censorship.
But see, when dozens ofconservative voices get
deplatformed and demonetized andthrown against the wall, all of
a sudden that's okay becauseit's people we disagree with.

(40:20):
So it does show the clearhypocrisy of the left.
And like, if it's one thing youcan consistently expect from
them, is that they will alwaysbe hypocrites.
They will always deal in thedeep, they will be knee deep in
the hypocrisy, no matter what.
And and it's just important tomention that.

SPEAKER_00 (40:37):
I mean, bro, how many times did Crowder get like
de-platformed?
And I stopped counting, like itwas just crazy, man.

SPEAKER_01 (40:44):
And and and look, I'm not gonna lie, okay.
I probably shouldn't even talkabout this, but I'm gonna.

SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
Here we go, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 (40:51):
Well, look, okay.
I tried my best to talk toYouTube and to heal the rift
between YouTube as a platformand Crowder.
And you know, I I know Crowder,he's a he's a good guy.
Steven Crowder is a fantasticguy, and his dad, Darren, such a
great guy.
I love hanging out with him.
They're they're fun to hang outwith, they're funny, you know,

(41:13):
he's a good dude.
You know, I think very highlySteven Crowder.
I've been on his show before,he's a great guy, you know.
And and I remember one timereaching out to Crowder, I'm
like, man, like, why don't youtry to bury the hatchet with
YouTube?
Like, get back on YouTube, youknow, get get your monetization
back and and just bury thehatchet, you know.
Well, maybe blah, blah, blah.
You know, you seem to have somesome opinions, which I'm not

(41:34):
going to discuss the exactopinions, but I reach out to my
SP and I'm like, is thereanything we can do for Crowder?
And and they were kind of like,well, you know, so I think that
there's been some ongoing talksbetween the platform and him,
but I just I just like to seepeople get along.
I mean, I understand if peoplehave to part ways, but you know,

(41:54):
I I do care about the health ofthe platform, you know, I do
care about the health ofYouTube, and I I want to see the
platform do well.
You know, I'm one of the OGs onthis platform, and I've worked
very hard to get where I amtoday, and I and I've I've done
a lot to get where I am.
And I don't want to see YouTubeuh have an issue, you know.
I want to see the platform dowell.
I don't want to see them, youknow, go the way of the dodo

(42:17):
just because they happen to takeon a few bad opinions or hire a
few bad apples that might haveput them in the direction that
they shouldn't have gone in.
That's my only concern, youknow.
But but anyway, it's funny thatyou mentioned that because yes,
he is on Rumble.
Yep.
And uh Rumble's not a badplatform.
I met the CEO of Rumble, Ithink, once down in Miami.

(42:38):
I was at uh when we met Margo,yeah, I met him.
Nice guy, um, and everything.
And that was that was whenRumble was was just starting to
kind of say that was a coupleyears ago.
Yeah, it's real early for Rumblethen.
And uh, but yeah, I mean it.
I'm glad to see that someconservative voices are getting

(42:58):
a platform on like Rumble.
I know Dan Dan Bongino's onRumble, but it's again getting
back to Kirk, is that when yourplatform is that you exist,
that's a danger to the left.
And they and I think that youknow, not to get on the tinfoil
hat territory, they realize thatCharlie was considering

(43:21):
presidential bid.
They knew that he wasconsidering office, political
office.
You know, I think they knew thathe was a very, very influential
person and was only going to getmore influential.
They saw that coming.
And I don't want to sit here andplace blame and say that, oh,

(43:43):
someone tried to, you know,assassinate him on purpose, like
for some political reason.
You know, I think right nowwe're being led to believe it's
just some lone wolf weirdo whojust had a psychotic episode and
decided that he had anopportunity and just wanted to
commit cold-blooded murder.
That's what we're gonna be told,right?
We're gonna be told that thisguy just was unhinged, whatever,

(44:06):
and that's all we're ever gonnaknow.
And and again, me beingskeptical and me being very
scrutinizing of the officialnarrative, which I always am, I
always heavily scrutinize theofficial narrative.
There's no telling who wasreally involved in this thing,
and again, this is a playgroundfor conspiracy when you have a

(44:26):
big, wide open area, there'smany different places people
could be.
You never know.

SPEAKER_00 (44:33):
And I mean, let's look at it realistically,
hundred we're rounding to 140yards, all right, because it
was, I think it's like 137 orsomething.
But we're gonna round to 140,right?
Not a long shot.
People you hear people kickaround, they don't, oh, like
Professor, like, not really 140yards, especially with a 306,
it's a laser beam, right?

(44:54):
Yeah, like it's the bullet isgonna go with that with that
distance, it's gonna go rightwhere you look, it's gonna go
right exactly where you look at,especially with 150 grain
bullet, it's not gonna reallydrop much.

SPEAKER_01 (45:05):
And you know, so I hunt with 30 aught six quite a
bit.
I know you do too.

SPEAKER_00 (45:10):
Yes, yes, man.

SPEAKER_01 (45:11):
And at one point I bought a bunch of those 200
grain 220.
220s.
220s.
Who makes that load?
Is that a I think it's a federalload.
They're federal 220 grain softpoints.
I like heavy bullets in Ot 6.
I'm not getting off on thissubject matter.
I don't want to make this aboutthe shot or the shooter, or I

(45:33):
don't really want to make itabout that.
But let's just say to back upMatt's point, 30 alt sixes can
shoot extremely flat dependingon the load.
And a heavy bullet, oh yeah,they shoot real flat.
Now it gets to a point they fallout of the sky pretty quick.
I mean, that that 220 is aballistic marshmallow.
And yeah, it's like a 200-yardgun.

SPEAKER_00 (45:52):
I was gonna say 200 yards.

SPEAKER_01 (45:56):
So I like the heavier bullets because um they
make cleaner wounds and uh theydon't destroy as much meat and
they get full penetration, goodpenetration.
So, anyway, with without all ofthose things withstanding, I
think people want to focus onthe shot, the difficulty of the
shot, and judging how that wouldmake someone a professional

(46:16):
shooter or not.
Let's not talk about that.
Let's talk about escape andevasion.
Now, what would requireprofessional escape and evasion
and getting away?
Anyone can climb on a roof andshoot a rifle.
You gotta get there undetected.
You gotta sneak into placeundetected.
Yeah, you gotta make the shot,you gotta get away and escape,

(46:38):
which he did.
All right, now did he just havea really good plan?
Did he have help?
Was it just dumb luck?
I mean, look, you have to acceptthe fact that there might be
some done dumb luck involved.
Sometimes people just getfreaking lucky.
He jumped off the roof and Ithink sprained his ankle or

(47:00):
something.

SPEAKER_00 (47:00):
Well, yeah, they had video of him like running across
the the grass and the textmessage thread that he was
writing, he was like, Oh, I Iput the rifle, I can see the
rifle, they're walking aroundlooking for me.
Like he's like in real time,like texting with his roommate.
Uh, and I use air quotes therefor the listeners, not the
viewers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(47:20):
And um, you know, it's just likeI like you said, it's just dumb
luck, man.
Like, how are you gonna be ableto just like wait in the grass?

SPEAKER_02 (47:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:28):
And they're like kind of walking around, and
you're like, holy crap, theseguys are not looking like it's
wild, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (47:35):
Yeah, I mean, so when something like that
happens, I mean, obviously, ifyou if you watch videos of of
what happened, yeah, it wasutter chaos.
People start running, screaming.
It's a chaos.
So, in that chaos, it might haveprovided him enough time to to
try to find a way to get away.
And he did get away, and then hedidn't get caught there.
And then he took the dairyqueen.

SPEAKER_00 (47:54):
He got away.
Dude went to Dairy Queen and gothimself some ice cream, man.
They had like they had likevideo stills of him ordering ice
cream at Dairy Queen, like 15minutes after he after he did
it.
Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 (48:04):
What the heck?

SPEAKER_00 (48:05):
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (48:06):
You know, it is crazy, and to think that he got
away.
But, you know, I think thesepeople out here that are saying
that he is some Mossad hitman orCIA hitman or something
far-reaching like that, I thinkthat's a reach.
I I think at this point thathe's definitely a normy.
I I don't really there's nothingabout this kid that makes me

(48:27):
think that he's some sort ofhired gunner or whatever.
I mean, I can see why peoplewould make that distinction.
Because, yes, did Charlie Kirkhave a lot of enemies?
He did, he had a lot ofpolitical enemies.
Um look, he was beginning toquestion a lot of things.
And he's a he was a he was a guywho had, you know, a lot of

(48:48):
influence.
And from what I mean, if youlisten to Candace Owens, some of
the things that she's saying, Imean, that last video was
Candace always has some kind ofwild opinions, but they always
have this hint, this sort offlavor to them that's like,
okay, well, you know, she's gotsome receipts here, she's got
some videos, she's got allright, here's some statements

(49:08):
from the ex or the wife, uh,some statements from Charlie.
Here's you know what he said ina podcast a week ago.
Here's what he said to TuckerCarlson.
It's like, so when you startconnecting the dots, you kind of
start going, well, well, yeah,Charlie had some enemies in high
places.
And uh, and that's scary, youknow, to think that all right,
are they capable of doing thesesorts of things?

(49:30):
Well, of course they are.
Uh, was it them?
Did they do it?
We may never know.
Just like with JFK, you know,there's many theories about who
really shot JFK and how howwhere the direction of the shot
and who it was, and all thistheories about what really
happened to him.
But at the end of the day, he'sdead.

SPEAKER_00 (49:51):
Didn't JFK get hit in the throat also?

SPEAKER_01 (49:53):
Well, yeah, no, I think he got hit right in the
cranium.
Oh man, it was bad, you know,and um you know, it was a hard
shot, it was a moving shot, youknow.
But anyway, without getting intothat, the point is that anytime
someone's assassinated likethat, I mean, even MLK, MLK was
shot with a 30 out six.
But I think he got hit in thechest.
Same thing.
All these theories about, oh, itwasn't this guy, they got the

(50:15):
wrong guy, and this and that,and this and that.
And was it James Earl Ray on hisdeathbed?
Told Martin Luther King's mom, Ithink, oh, it wasn't me, I
didn't do it.
I'm innocent.
I promise you, I'm innocent.
The killer's still out there.
So you never know.
Anytime a high-profile person isis shot and killed, it's tragic

(50:36):
to some and it's and it's avictory to others.
But I think the real death isthe truth.
Like I think a lot of timesthese sorts of things, I feel
like maybe the authorities knowa lot more than what they're
probably telling people.

unknown (50:48):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (50:49):
And I don't think we're all we're ever gonna get
the real truth about what reallyled up to this.
I think they know a lot morethan we do, and I think that
we're not ever gonna know thetruth.

SPEAKER_00 (50:59):
100%.
They'd rather tell us about youknow, hellfire missiles bouncing
off of a UFO uh before we getany information, which they did
release video footage of afterthe fact.

SPEAKER_01 (51:10):
I mean, it looked like it bounced off to me.
I mean, I I don't know what ahellfire missile looks like, but
but I I know what somethingbouncing off of looks like.

SPEAKER_00 (51:17):
Isn't that interesting how they release
that after they're like, ohyeah, and by the way, here pay
for this.
We got this uh we got this videofootage of a UFO getting hit
with the missile.

SPEAKER_01 (51:26):
Well, you know, I um I'm not gonna sit here and
speculate about that sort ofstuff because I think it's
disrespectful to Charlie'smemory, especially at this
juncture, you know, being so youknow, it didn't happen that long
ago.
So, you know, I didn't reallywant to, you know, make this
about speculating too much on itbecause it's too early to

(51:47):
speculate.
There's still a lot ofinformation, there's still
investigation going on.

SPEAKER_00 (51:50):
But if we didn't, the viewers and listeners would
say, well, you would see thecomments flooded with like all
of these, like, why didn't yousay this?
Why didn't you ask this?
So if we we just have to say it,right, and now you guys know.

SPEAKER_01 (52:01):
I th I I think we we think we've asked the questions
that that really merit askingthe most.
And and you know, the the thepoint is is I think the biggest
takeaway from this is thatCharlie has got a lot more guys
to pay attention to God andChristianity and spirituality.
I think that's a positive thingin this world that we need right
now.

SPEAKER_00 (52:21):
Absolutely, man.
And you know, I am not a heavilyreligious guy.
Um, I never was.
Um I used to be when I wasyounger.
I would go to church and go toSunday school, and you know,
it's kind of I just kind of likewent away from that, and and I
haven't been to church inprobably 30 years, man.

(52:42):
It's just not something that wasever on our radar.
I went for the first time acouple of weeks ago.
See, and for a while.

SPEAKER_01 (52:48):
Well, it ain't been a long time, like over 20 years
myself.

SPEAKER_00 (52:51):
And I'm like, now I'm really like like I'm I'm
considering it, I'm thinking,I'm like, man, maybe you know,
as I have a daughter, I'm like,the things, and I notice this
because I have friends that arevery religious, and I'm like,
the one thing that you knowreally you take away from
religion is that it the moralsit that really instills the
morality and a good set ofmorals for you and and for

(53:13):
growing up because that'ssomething that I I will be
honest with you.
I learned what right and wrong,and you know, to be a good
person, to be a good kid, and tohonor your mother and your
father.
I learned all that from church.
That wasn't something that Ilearned from my parents.
That was something that I uh Idid when I got home, and I

(53:37):
learned that from like Sundayschool, from learning like this
is what you're supposed to do,and you know, you have to treat
people good and you have to be,you know, be a good person and
treat everybody with respect.
So as I as I'm I'm already old,but as I'm getting older and I'm
raising my daughter, I'm like,maybe, maybe we will try it out.
Maybe we'll see, you know, andyou know, I want her to, you

(54:00):
know, have those same values andmorals.
And yeah, you know, we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 (54:04):
I tell you, you know, I think what is what
Charlie Kirk's legacy isultimately going to be.
I mean, yes, he was willing tolisten.
Yes, he was willing to have aconversation.
I think at this point, you know,his his legacy will wind up
being that he caused a lot morepeople to turn back to God.
And uh, and you know, and Ithink it's gonna have some huge

(54:27):
effect moving forward.
And I think we were only seeingthe very beginning of a very
large resurgence of Americanvalues, and uh, I mean, I mean,
the name of the company, TurningPoint USA.
Oh my gosh, what a perfect name,right?
Yeah.
Turning point.
Charlie, he was the turningpoint, and uh, and that's crazy
to think that a guy can havethat kind of a legacy, just

(54:50):
talking to people, just goingout.

SPEAKER_00 (54:53):
Being 31 years old.

SPEAKER_01 (54:54):
Yeah, at 31 years old, he accomplished so much.
And uh, and you know, I I Iagain I'm not really followed
his work that much in the past,but I am gonna go through and
consume a lot more of his workand listen to some more of his
work.
But um, it's like sometimes youdon't even have to know what the
body of the work even is to knowhow a person transcends a

(55:15):
certain movement or idea.
And you see how people reacted,you see the social consequences
the shooting has had on society.
That's all I really need to knowabout the guy.
I mean, yeah, I can know moreabout his work, but ultimately
the work is almost secondary tothe impact that the work has.
And it's the impact that peopleare like, wow.

(55:37):
You know, the crazy thing isthey're showing up at these
rallies, they're going tochurch.
It's like that's a huge, hugedeal.

SPEAKER_00 (55:44):
Well, the crazy thing is that he had the power
of a political activist or justan activist in general, without
actually being an activist.
He he used that, I guess,momentum to convince people,
like you said, to go back to thechurch, to to you know, look

(56:08):
past what you would normallylearn and and look at what
really matters.
Like that's the whole likecollege is a scam thing.
Like you that would people be soupset with that.
Like, oh, how how you never beento college, and yet I'm still
here on your campus debating youand telling you what everything
that you don't know, and you'restill wrong, and you're still

(56:30):
wrong.
So it's just it's just thecraziest thing to be able to go
in and and do these things andnot have that culty activist
vibe.
Like some people were like a guywith a microphone, right?
He wasn't like, Oh, come to thisrally and we have to make change
and all like all right, it's alittle activisty, a little

(56:51):
culty, uh, but he never did anyof that.

SPEAKER_01 (56:54):
He wasn't like, let's talk, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (56:55):
He wrote that was it.
He was like, Hey, we're gonnahave a conversation and uh, you
know, turn back to God.
Thanks, thanks for your time.
Like that was it.
Like you answered the question,you say I don't see a problem
with that.

SPEAKER_01 (57:05):
You know, I don't see a problem with that.
I mean, if if anything, he wasreally witnessing.
He was, you know, he was goingit that's a great evangelical
approach to knowledge and veryuh very Christ-like.
I mean, and and look, there'snothing wrong with that, you
know.
I I think that that's part of aChristian's job is to go out and
witness, to go out and andspread that word, you know, and

(57:27):
and he did that in a way thatthe young people could could
relate to.
And um, I think that's one ofthe reasons that that he had so
many enemies.
You know, if you have enemies,you're doing something right.
Yeah.
I mean, and and and that's thetruth.
And and I hate that thingsworked out the way they did.
I hate to see him gone.
And I think it's tragic andterrible, and we should never

(57:47):
condone this type of stuff.
But the biggest takeaway that Ithink we all have from this is
that these people are playingfor keeps.
And if anything, the left haswoken up the right in a very,
very, very distinctive way.
And I don't think it's thereaction they quite were hoping
for.
I think they were honestlyhoping for us to get violent.

unknown (58:08):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (58:08):
So then they could have, oh, see, they're this,
they're that.
But no, do you see right-wingpeople looting stores and
robbing businesses and settingcars on fire and burning down
the police station and trying tojust be freaking pricks to
society?
No.
They're going to church, they'reholding hands, they're going to
rallies, they're holdingcandles, candlelight vigils,
they're praying.

(58:29):
Oh boy.
They woke up a sleeping giantand they have no idea what that
is is gonna do morally tosociety that is gonna create
even more people like Charlie inthe future.
They're gonna have the exactopposite effect to what they're
trying to accomplish.

SPEAKER_00 (58:43):
I mean, the guy had such a reach, he they're using
his name in Korea.
They're protesting in SouthKorea, saying we are Charlie
Kirk, like by the hundreds ofthousands marching through the
streets, because he that's hewas able to reach out and like
South Korea is heavilyChristian, heavily Christian.

(59:04):
So, I mean, right, and he andobviously Charlie Kirk was uh
you know, embodied the the thethe Holy Ghost, the the the
Christian values, so they alignwith him uh a lot.
You know, it's crazy, man.

SPEAKER_01 (59:17):
Like our show, I I know that we we tend to not
really go down that rabbit holevery often or anything like
that.
And one thing I'll mention toois that you know, the left they
really do pander hard to theAfrican American voters and
everything like that.
And I will tell you, I I've I'veobserved some behavior.
And you know, the blacks in thiscountry are very religious.

(59:38):
And I noticed that.
Like I went went over to thelittle uh buffet place the other
day to have some lunch, youknow.
Not an older black guy, youngerblack guy, maybe maybe 30s, you
know, sits down, he's prayingover his food before he eats.
It's like, okay, he's religious,you know.
And then I saw another youngblack lady comes and sits down.

(59:59):
What's she doing?
She's praying.
Over food.
I'm thinking, wow, like everytime I see black families sit
down and have dinner, if I'mout, so they're always pray.
So it's like they're veryreligious.
And you go out on Sunday, right?
Now I can't speak for everyplace, but where I'm at, you go
somewhere on Sunday, the blackfamilies are going to show up,
you know, they're dressed nice,they just left church, you know,

(01:00:21):
they're going to have a mealafter church, they're praying
before they eat.
So it's like, I don't think theleft fully realizes the gravity
of what they think they'rereally trying to accomplish by
hurting somebody like Charlie.
Because, you know, they rely onthe African American voters to
vote Democrat.
And I I think you're gonna seesome interesting stuff in the

(01:00:42):
midterms.
No, and I think the Democratsare gonna have their asses
handed to them in the polls, andI think they're I think they
really screwed up, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:52):
Yeah, and what you see is a lot of it is is the
younger generation, whether it'sblack, white, Spanish, Asian,
um, because the left has all ofthem.
It's the younger generation,those college kids, those high
school kids are the ones thatare being uh a little bit
insubordinate when it comes tolike their behavior on on the

(01:01:15):
whole matter.
But you are right.
That's I had that written downlike no riots, no looting, no
destruction.
Like none of that took place.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:24):
Thomas Sowell in his youth was a Marxist.
And Thomas Sowell is one of themost profound thinkers when it
comes to race and economics andsocial disparities and all this
data that we always take forgranted.
But he really dives in deep andgoes into the twisted minutia of
what really makes people tick inthese areas, right?

(01:01:46):
Thomas Sowell is one of thegreatest thinkers of our time,
and he in his youth was aMarxist.
So I'm not gonna write off ayoung person who's a Marxist
today.
People change.
People change.
And and you know, I I don't Idon't think that these people
are gonna continue to have thesepoints of view.
I think that as information ismore readily available and I

(01:02:09):
think they will begin torealize, like, wow, I was wrong.
Sometimes that's more powerful.
It's more powerful when a youngperson is a leftist, and then
they go, I'm leaving the left,and here's why.
And then they can articulatetheir reason perfectly.
And another leftist goes, Oh mygod, he's right.
Like, wow, you know, there's areason for this.

(01:02:30):
And um I think it's reallyinteresting.
Always always use Thomas Sowellas a reference because you know,
he is such a brilliant thinker,he's one of the top conservative
voices we could ever have.
But in his youth, he was farfrom it.
He was a Marxist.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:44):
Yep.
No, I listen if you go onYouTube, but he has his own
YouTube channel and he's stillproducing content at the age of
like 94 or something.
No, dude, he's not 99s now.
Yeah, but he he still updateshis uh channel and he has all
his um you know talks.
I would encourage you, encourageyou guys, go listen to it.

(01:03:04):
He's a brilliant dude.
Yeah, just amazing uh audio,just have it playing in the
background, it'll make completesense.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:10):
Just put it on a listen and be and be be educated
because he really he puts it outthere and he's not afraid to
tell it like it is.
And I tell you, academia hasreally treated him terribly.
And I, you know, it really itreally grinds my gears that you
know, I think it's because theyknow in his youth he was a
Marxist and that he basicallyleft the reservation, you know,

(01:03:33):
and and I think that that hasconsequences in academia because
most academics are leftists, andand let's face it, you know, our
education system is controlledby leftists, and a lot of the
educators and the professors areleftists, and they're gonna, you
know, sort of really teeter onthat leftist agenda.
They do it purposely becausethey know children are you know,

(01:03:54):
younger people areimpressionable and easy to
manipulate.
Oh, yeah.
Um and their brains are likesponges, they're taking in all
the information, so yeah,they're gonna take the
propaganda as well.
So logically, it makes sense totry to take over those
institutions politically.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:10):
Well, it's not it's not just colleges, it it goes
all the way down to likeelementary school.
My daughter, when it was thewhen the election was going on,
my daughter was in the secondgrade, came home talking about,
oh, I don't like Trump.
And I'm like, You don't evenknow Trump.
Like, how is this like and and II don't think the the teachers
are teaching this, I think theteachers are having

(01:04:32):
conversations within earshot ofthe kids.
So what the these little kidsare doing is they're just doing
their own thing what they andthey hear what and they go, Oh,
this is what adults talk about,and they come home and they
start.
I'm like, listen, let's fixthis, all right?
For like like for real.
I don't I I think the school shegoes to is absolutely amazing.

(01:04:52):
I think you know, like I like Isaid, the kids hear things and
they just start discussingthings, and then you have to
correct it.
So I'm just like, hey, listen,all politicians are bad.
Like they just that's the exactI was like, I'm like, listen,
they're all bad, honey.
Don't don't listen, they're allbad.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:10):
Yeah, there's people who who who at one point think
that the system can be saved,and there's like one point you
just go ahead and you know, likewhat they say, there's the red
pill, the blue pill, the blackpill, the white pill, all these
pills, yeah, and you just go,you just take them all.
Like what what if in the matrixyou know Nemo just grab both of
them?

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:29):
Takes the rainbow.
Yeah, just everything.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:31):
And yeah, and and and and what's his face?
Uh what's Morpheus.
Morpheus.
Yeah.
Morpheus sitting there going, noone's ever done that before.
We're about to find out.
We're about to find somethingout anyway.
You know, I think that's wheresociety's at.
They're there's just they'reready to rip the band-aid off of
all this and solve the problem.

(01:05:52):
Yeah, what that looks likemoving forward, I guess really
is hard to say, Matt.
I don't know.
Uh I mean, I have myspeculation.
I know that Charlie is a hugepart of it.
He yeah, he's gonna be known asa person who was the lamb.
I mean, and and that's what it'sgonna come down to.
He was he's the lamb, he's thelamb of God.
Well, his content point he is alamb of God.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:14):
Yeah, his content will live on forever.
And yeah, you know, um his wifeis now uh taking the reins of
turning point, and you know,we'll we'll see where that goes.
Yeah, um, but yeah, man, it'sjust uh it's unfortunate.
I remember when it firsthappened, uh, I I sent you a
text message, man.
Like, I was like, damn.
I know.
And I and I I am not a grimdude, but when I saw that little

(01:06:38):
clip of the video, like thefirst thing I messaged you, I
was like, nah, it's I mean, Ilike to be optimistic about
things, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:45):
But from people were saying that he might have pulled
through.
Oh, he's in critical conditions.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:50):
Like with what we've seen, I saw that and I was like,
no way.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:53):
Yeah, I wasn't I didn't want to be pessimistic.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:56):
Yep.
But at some point you have to bereal, like a realistic.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:59):
I think my initial thought well, I was like, like,
at least it was quick.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:03):
Yeah, no, he was he was done before.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:05):
I think he was I think he was done instantly.
And I mean, I hope he didn'tfeel anything.
I mean, in a shot like that, youyou may not really feel
anything.
I mean, I hope that was thecase.
I mean, but it's justunfortunate, unfortunately.
It's just terrible, yeah.
I mean, no matter what.
And um, you know, my my thoughtsand prayers definitely go out to

(01:07:26):
his family and his kids, and andreally society's a victim too,
because society lost a good,honorable person.
Oh, yeah.
So society is just as much of avictim as a family, like we're
always family at this point.
It's like I think that's where alot of people are rallying
around him for that reason.
Like they they feel like theylost somebody that was close to
them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:45):
That's exactly how it felt, man.
Because you you you you relateto that person, yeah.
Yeah, you have like you're like,man, I I don't always agree with
what he said.
There's a lot of stuff that Ididn't agree with.
I'm like you man, I don't know.
I don't always agree, yeah.
But I mean, I agreed more oftenthan not.
Right.
Um, and I enjoyed theconversations that he had, and
that's how it felt.
I was like, damn, like thatsucks because it's like I don't

(01:08:08):
know how I feel right now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:09):
Because it's like it's like uh Voltaire said, uh
Voltier or whatever that guy.
He said that uh I disagree withwhat you have to say, what I
will defend to the death yourright to say it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:20):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:21):
And and you know that he embodied that.
I mean, uh, he embodied thatidea, like, yeah, he may not
have agreed with what you had tosay, but he was willing to stand
there and and and acceptwhatever was gonna happen to
him, knowing that there was alot of people that disagree with
him.
You know, that's an honorablething, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:35):
You know, I'm not gonna and I know we're running
short on time, but I'm justgonna I I was watching another
podcast, I'm not gonna name it.
But they were they were sittingaround and they also go around
to college campuses, and theywere saying, like, oh, well, you
know, based on you know whathappened, we're gonna have to
cancel our remaining public uhour our college campus visits,

(01:08:58):
and um, you know, we have to bedo what's right for the safety
of us and our crew.
And one guy was saying, like,yeah, the the the terrorists
didn't win, and another guystraight up was like, but they
did win because you stoppedgoing, like you canceled all of
your you can't you canceled allof your remaining or your future
college visits.

(01:09:18):
They won.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:20):
And I was like, and then they're like to watch them
try to fight that, like, no,they didn't win, like we're we
have to be safe, like, but theywon because that was the goal,
yeah.
The goal was to keep anybodyfrom doing it, and that blew me
away to watch them fight themental gymnastics that they
tried to jump through to justifythat they didn't like that that

(01:09:42):
they didn't impact that.
I was like, no, man, like yeah,and then you saw like Ben
Shapiro double down and waslike, nope, we're doubling our
college appearances.
Like he was like that.
I was like, that's I mean, I'mnot a huge Ben Shapiro fan.
I'm not either.
Um, however, I do appreciate thethe veracity that he has to be

(01:10:08):
like, nah, we're we're we'regonna keep going, we're gonna
double it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:11):
Um, I I don't I don't agree with the way Shapiro
handled the situation withCandace.
Yeah.
And I'm not really crazy aboutthat.
And there are some things, youknow, um his views, you know,
he's a little bit tooheavy-handed on certain certain
areas for me.
Yeah.
Um, but overall, you know, Ithink that he's a logical person
that that can be reasoned with.

(01:10:33):
And um, but I will respectfullysay that that I probably
disagree on him with him on morethings than I agree, agree with.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I I I would agree withthat.
But overall, I can appreciatehis approach, and I don't think
he's a terrible person oranything.
Yep.
Um, you know, I mean, I'm justgonna have to see how that all
plays out, I suppose.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:52):
Yeah, but I mean, like I said, uh, just based on
his his approach to it, not surenot letting the the you know
left dictate the message.
I'm like, all right, I respectthat.
You guys for sure I can respectyou and not like you at this
point.
Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:07):
I definitely respect his decision to double down.
I mean, yeah, that's that'sballsy.
I'm down.
That's that's good.
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interesting to bring up?
What's your opinion?
What do you think um happened?
Do you think that there was somegreater conspiracy to harm
Charlie?
Do you think that this was justsome freak lone wolf situation?

(01:12:13):
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Anything else, Matt, before wego?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:42):
Nope.
Uh, appreciate you guys fortuning in.
I know it was a very heavysubject.
Yes.
Um, but you know, I think thatuh Eric and I both uh are happy
to finally be able to talk aboutit with the facts.

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