101st Airborne Brotherhood: Finding Purpose and Peace After Paralysis

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm out.
Green thumbs are high.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome back to another episode of Life to the
Max.
I'm your host with the most,max Gross.
Today I have one of my bestfriends here with me, the guy
who's faced adversity and haspersevered so much in life
before his accident and afterhis accident.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Well, hello, welcome back for official third time,
but second time on camera.
And to correct what you saidyour only best friend, so yeah,
all that was good though.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, brother, it was .

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, brother, it was a good introduction, pretty
solid there's two more episodesof joke.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
One is just us screwing around talking about
funny stories and another one isthis uh, actual story, but it's
only on audio only like Icommend you because I don't know
, like how I could grow up in ahouse like I grew up as a foster
kid, which got adopted yeah,which got adopted by a foster

(01:33):
family that's still fosters tothis day and they're old and
still foster they still fosterme.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Are you still cool with?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
them.
Yeah, I, uh, I am.
I probably did have a littlehardship when I first got
injured with them.
Uh, probably hence the reason Imet you.
But, um, I'd say, you know,everything happens for a reason
the best way to put it.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
So how was growing up ?
Like well, I mean you got.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
You gotta think of random abandoned kids, or even
you know kids that just didn'tget the love by their parents.
All get thrown into a house.
You get bumps and bruises everynow and then, but it's not.
It's not like any other type ofbrotherhood you know, like
you're, you're gonna fight andthen you're gonna eat along.

(02:24):
That's brotherhood in general.
So we've had a lot of brothers,a lot, yeah, a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
At this point, at this point, we're probably a
partial gang so you grew up infoster, like how are your
teenage years?

Speaker 4 (02:38):
so we, we kind of lived.
At first she lived, uh, in asmaller house and then moved out
to kind of a suburb area calledForest Hill.
Just listen to the name, forestHills, you can imagine it's a
hilly area with trees.
So it was good, honestly, youknow, as far as staying in shape
, walking up hills, riding bikesup hills, stayed in shape.

(03:01):
So that's probably why I gotthe athletic end of you know,
maybe football or even joiningthe military.
I think that's probably why Igot the athletic end of you know
, maybe football or even joiningthe military.
I think that's probably why?

Speaker 3 (03:09):
so we'll lead up to that.
So you uh joined the military?
What year?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
oh nine.
Yeah, because it was a yearafter I graduated.
It wasn't initially right away,so I graduated.
Oh, eight june.
That's when I went to Fort Knox.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
I thought you went to 08.
You're not an infantry.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
No, I'm a fister.
You know, you're a fister.
Elbows deep, bro, elbows deep.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well, what was the culture shock?
When you got to the military?
I was already adjusted.
You know why?

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Why, Because I went through a foster system where
you're always around themDifferent random people at
different times.
Sometimes they're going tostick around longer, sometimes
they're not going to be in thatfoster home anymore.
So it was kind of like I wasalready programmed for the
military.
It's like the CIA knew whatthey were doing.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
So would you say, basic screening was like a
culture shock at all.
Yeah, yeah, just from theaspect of not talking back you
know, yeah, you gotta shut thefuck up and do what you're told.
Yeah, because sometimes you geta chip on your shoulder,
especially over dumb shit, andthen you're like, damn it, I
just need to shut the fuck upbefore I make it worse.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Did you ever get beat up in basic training?

Speaker 4 (04:24):
No, no, I got choked out actually by my drill
sergeant.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Oh yeah, I didn't get choked out, I did.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
But we were doing combatives and I was dominating
somebody else and he just camebehind me, ripped me up, so
didn't see it coming.
And then then I tapped, but hestill didn't do it, because
probably I wasn't being, did you?
Uh?

Speaker 3 (04:50):
easy.
Did you shoot a weapon beforelike you went?

Speaker 4 (04:54):
uh, not a real rifle, not before the military.
Uh, my dad had like theselittle pellet bb guns every once
in a while that doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
A bb gun are you really comparing an m4 to a bb
gun?

Speaker 4 (05:07):
no, no, no, I'm not even lying.
So all I shot before I went inthe military was a bb gun and
played call of duty and thenwent into the army and was an
expert fucking shooter with anm16 or m4.
Had no rifleman experiencebefore going in the military, so
you could just probably say Ihad a good act for it when you

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graduated base victorian, didyou like feel really good about
yourself?
like I accomplished somethingthat I didn't think I was gonna
make it through.
Probably the first couple weeksI was definitely doubting it.
Like fuck this.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
This is.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, this is stupid.
I gotta fucking, especiallywhen you get punished for
somebody else's shit.
You know that pisses you off.
Yeah, somebody that ends updoing shit to fucking fuck the
whole platoon.
That's when you really get mad.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
That's when you want to beat up the kid.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
They still do that shit.
That's what happened to me.
Blanket parties, certainly.
That's what, no, you did.
No, yeah, dude, I swear, yeah,I, um, I, uh.
There was a drill sergeant.
He was short as hell.
He was trying to brim me for,for, like, people listening,
brimming is like putting, likeis putting his drill sergeant
hat on my forehead.
He couldn't reach me.
I said what's the problem,drill sergeant?

(06:32):
He stepped stool.
He said everybody do push-upsbesides 216, which was my roster
number.
I was like oh shit.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, it's even worse when they're all working out
and you got it, laxie daisy thenyou know you got eyes just
waiting for you to slip up, yeah, so we were doing laundry.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
One day, and they were all just in there and they
all just gave me a good beatdown and like the next morning,
the drill sergeant looks at me.
He's like what happened to youand I was like I fell, what am I
going to do?
He's like oh, my battle buddiesbeat me up.
No, no, no.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Then you get made fun of the rest of your military
career.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
So when you went to your first duty station, of
course it was the 101st AirborneDivision.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, that's how that's how I ended up up.
You know it's crazy, thoughmost people will get to their
unit and they'll have someextensive training before they
deploy, like most soldiersairmen all of them do.
I went straight from fourknocks to fort sill for my ait

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fire support training and then,right after that, went to 101st.
Two weeks after I got to 101stI got placed in the rocket sans.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Two weeks after that deployed did you get smoked
during those two weeks?

Speaker 4 (08:06):
oh for sure, yeah, because they gotta break this in
like e4 mafia yeah, they gottafeel like they're yeah badasses,
and they probably maybe havedone a deployment, maybe not,
yeah what was your thoughtprocess when you're like, holy
crap, man, I'm going toafghanistan, like, like I mean,

(08:28):
initially I was nervous as fuckbecause we're going to a country
that we shouldn't even reallyhave been in, but I get why we
were there initially yeah butnot for the extensive time that
we were.
Yeah, no, it was.
It was nerve-wracking, uh, butat the same time I I'm glad I
went yeah, because I didn't getto deploy.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
I felt like I was training for like a football
game but I didn't get to see.
That's what I'm saying like you.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
You were doing the training for it, like I did my
initial training, but I didn'tdo any extensive training after
basic and ait.
Before I deployed it was justright out the chute.
So first day is where you getshoved on some sort of fob in
the middle of the middle eastwhat's a fob ford?

Speaker 3 (09:17):
can't think of the acronym on the base you're
wearing a freaking military capand you, I know bro hey, so.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
So, since I've been in the military, about 15 years
ago, it's forward observer base.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Forward.
It's an observation.
Yeah, you're right, okay, carryon.
A little weird to get adjustedto because you seen not just the
us military but multiple natoforeign countries on this huge

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base in the middle of the middleeast.
And it was different becauseI'd go into the bathroom to
shower see girls just walking inass naked showering right
beside me.
It's like with other countriesother countries.
Yeah, like it was like I don'tknow if they were russian, but
they were pretty close torussian, if not some other

(10:11):
middle eastern type countriesthat had their military there
and they had different bases forshowers, but over in most of
the european and Easterncountries the guys and girls
shower together in the military.
In the military?
I didn't know that man.
Yeah, it's definitely a littledifferent, because it threw me

(10:33):
off guard when I first seen it,because I thought I was in a
female and then I looked next tome and there's another dude and
I'm like what the fuck's goingon?
This girl's brave as fuck orsomething.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
But yeah, it was a little weird I remember you told
me like, basically like thatyou went to like a cop, which is
like yeah, what the fight.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
my final um destination was cop dicey um,
which is right near the pact uhborder of Afghanistan and
Pakistan, so it was a little bitof a show.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Did you guys have running water?

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Not exactly running water, but yeah, we had a big
fucking cylinder dome above ourbathroom and the gravity just
anti, fed down.
Not anti fed, but fed down.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Back then you told me that this was like a really
dangerous area.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, the uh KGP KG fed down back then you told me
that this was like a reallydangerous area.
Yeah, the uh kgp kg pass.
Uh is known for fucking ied andambush sites all throughout uh
that area, so anytime anybodyrode through there they were
getting contact, probably almostdaily yeah and like keep in
mind, this is 2009.
This is like this is probablyright before bin laden was

(11:52):
actually killed, like rightbefore.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
I was just about to say that the hunt has been long,
yeah so.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
But even even after he was killed, we were still
there for a little while, like Imean, that was the whole point
right, that was the whole pointof us going there and we for
being such a young kid going tothe military and seeing this
culture well, um, I pissedmyself once from a vast amount

(12:19):
of small arms fire, withexplosions very close, yeah, but
I guess I was still programmeda little bit to be able to make
it through.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
That, I should say because I had the right people
next to me you know, when yougot home from the deployment and
you had your patch, obviouslythe left arm.
Yeah, you had a patch on theleft arm.
Did you get respect?

Speaker 4 (12:46):
yeah, because then you don't have to feel like the
guy that didn't deploy.
Yeah, because somebody mightbark at you with attitude.
Some people like fuck you, youdidn't even deploy.
Somebody could say that likeand don't, don't do that shit to
lieutenants and shit too.
Overseas Swear to God Ifsomebody's already had a

(13:08):
deployment under their belt.
They treat the young officerslike shit.
Sometimes that's funny, though,like fuck you, butterbar, you
don't know shit.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Dude, I didn't salute Butterbars.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Hey, max.
Yeah, you used to salute yourofficers.
What did you say?

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Good morning, good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
That's it At 101st.
That's what you used to say.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
No, no, Actually, I would just say sir.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Sir.
Yeah, sir, you didn't addressthem another way.
What way Air assault.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Air assault oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we did address airassault.
Yeah air address.
Yeah, so when you said it toany officer, that wasn't air
assault, did they?

Speaker 4 (13:50):
ever get mad if they didn't have wings.
Yeah, now, a couple times theywould adjust me like stop
fucking saying that in order tosay that, sir, I'd get back, get
a little sass into it after youget out of the military, what's
your choice of career?
Well, I started doing a littleconstruction literally right
before my accident happened.
It wasn't even that long, itwas probably a couple months and

(14:16):
, yeah, my accident happened tofortunately and unfortunately
lead me to you along the way.
But the accident itself waspretty much quick summary
Vacation with one of my buddiesconsidering I just got back from

(14:38):
fucking Afghanistan.
I just got back from fuckingAfghanistan.
I by all right need to fuckingexplore, let off steam, not give
a fuck about civilization andwork at that moment, even though
I was already working.
But I needed to get away.
So we went down to his family'sproperty in South Carolina
where we were partying for acouple days, woke up in the

(15:05):
morning, started riding fourwheelers around his property and
we rode probably for like 30minutes, not far, and then took
a break, started shooting someguns Nothing crazy, just like a
couple of nine millimeters, a 12gauge shotgun.
There might've been an.
M4 that we shot a couple times,but nothing crazy.

(15:26):
His uncle was gonna go get a,uh, a barrett 50 caliber sniper
rifle but he had to go dig itout while we rode around with
four wheelers, yeah.
And then, uh, I was trying tokeep up with my buddy because he
knew the property I didn't, sohe fucking took off on the
four-wheeler.
I'm trying to catch up.

(15:47):
I'm probably going like 50, 55miles per hour, hot on his ass
and gaining on him.
And then I hear a boom, becausea .50 cal has a very distinct
sound that not a lot of riflesdo.
So when I first heard it, Istopped paying attention

(16:10):
initially to what I was doing,even though I was still doing it
.
I was still flooring it, but Iwas not looking forward per se.
I was looking for where thegunshot might have came from,
because that's our trainingdistance direction, distance
direction.
As soon as you, as soon as youhear a gunshot and you're not
located, how far away do youthink it is?

(16:31):
What direction?
So that's, alertly, what I did.
Then I heard again and then thesecond one sounded like it was
way closer because you hear asnap.
So then I'm freaking out, noteven looking forward at all.
I'm standing up on thefour-wheeler, still flooring it,
trying to use my peripheralvision to look straight, while

(16:54):
looking to the side and behindme, and then didn't look forward
until I felt my body goweightless like a fucking
feather.
That's when I looked forwardand had enough time to say, oh,
before the shit, and thatfucking, probably 50,

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60-year-old tree smacked thefuck out of me.
Four-wheeler kept going down asteep hill.
It was like a steep I wouldn'tsay it was a cliff, but a steep
fault that went into a tree line.
Nothing but trees.
Smacked the tree.
Four-wheeler kept flipping downthe hill, flipped over the tree

(17:40):
branch, hit one, hit another,about 15, 20 feet in the air,
came down on my head and that isthe short story uh, so a little
, a little extensive actuallybefore
yeah, before before, actuallybefore I that my buddy was at

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the top of the hill because hehad initially tried to stop me
from chasing him, but I wasn'tpaying attention.
I was pulled over on the sideof the road because it was
hidden with some tall, probablytwo-foot field grass.
It was pretty tall, but Ididn't't see that was a sharp

(18:23):
turn right into a tree line.
Um, he said he seen me tryingto get up on all fours and I was
like trying to drag my leg upto stand up, but my head was
just into my chest, basically so, and he didn't know what to do.

(18:43):
Because what the fuck do you dowhen you see that?
So, he said, he immediatelytook off running, jumping
downhill because it was dirt andtrees, but it was a steep grade
incline decline.
I should say uh, and he said heran.
He ran and jumped on me, uh, tohold me down, to prevent me

(19:08):
from getting up, because hecould tell that I was fucked up.
I didn't even wake up till Iheard the choppers in the
background so you got airliftedoh, yeah, um, I honestly thought
I was back in afghanistan whenI did gain consciousness.
Uh, because I just heard, andyou hear, that all the time in

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afghanistan, all the time,choppers are like the biggest
transportation to get you to thecops, which is a smaller
observing point with only one,maybe two platoons.
Fobs got thousands of soldiers.

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So if you're on a FOB, you'revery well protected overseas,
but when you're on a smalllittle cop, that's when your
asshole needs to be puckeredalmost daily.
Yeah, because this is non-stop.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's chaos so you feel like you're in afghanistan
when you're in the helicopter.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
You said you woke up just just from the initial wake
up, because I heard a guy tellme don't move, don't move,
you're injured right now.
Don't move at all't move,you're injured right now, don't
move at all.
And then, like alertly, I'mjust like oh my God, I got hit.
I thought the Humvee got hit orsomething, I don't know.
Initially, that's just what Iwas thinking.
It was like because I haven'theard a fucking chopper sound

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since Afghanistan, which wasabout five months prior to the
accident.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
That's literally what I was about to ask you.
I was going to ask you like doyou think?

Speaker 4 (20:48):
like you had post-traumatic stress disorder,
then I think the gun isdefinitely what well gun.
I think the gun was whattriggered me not to pay
attention.
So yeah, ptsd.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
You got to look where .
You got to keep your head onswivel.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
That's what they always, that's what they train
you to do so that you'revigilantly very quick, reacting
to whatever sound that you hear,so that you can run forward,
not backward, right so you getairlifted to a hospital and, uh,
they, they can't treat youright.
The hospital, yeah, the first,the first hospital didn't have

(21:25):
the technology to perform thisprocedure, which was a spinal
fusion for a internaldecapitated quad.
Um, I completely severed my c6between my c6 and c7 and uh,

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seven my c6 between my c6 and c7and uh, you were decapitated.
The the outcome of that, ifanybody doesn't know what
happens to the body when it isdecapitated, is it swells from
two to three, even four timesits regular body weight to
prevent um the blood fromescaping.
Now, considering mine was stillattached, it just swore my face

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up and neck as well from allthe damage to the spinal cord.
So my sister, when they weretrying to get somebody to
identify me, swore up and down.
It wasn't me.
For about 10 minutes she saidshe had to stare into my face
and then just bust it out intears because she couldn't
believe that was me.
She just seen me like a fewdays ago before that and uh,

(22:33):
she's like how the fuck is hethat big?
You know?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
it's crazy how life could change in like split
second or literally a splitsecond I was was about 80 and
she said I looked like I weighed400 pounds.
Holy crap.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Just like a big fucking Michelin man.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
So when they performed the procedure, where
did you go?

Speaker 4 (22:53):
They flew me to another.
I'm wanting to say it wasCharleston.
They did the.
This is how they woke me up,because I flatlined a couple of
times.
They woke me up on theoperation table and told me you
had a spinal cord injury andexplained it very blunt, very
clear.
You need to have a surgeryright now, called a spinal

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fusion.
If you don't do this right now,you probably won't live.
That's how they described it.
So I'm already fucked up,barely fucking alert to what's
going on, just woke right backup.
I don't even know how they wokeme up.
Yeah, I was like fucking do itand then back out again.

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Then woke up, all fucked upeven more Because I swear before
the procedure, the initialhelicopter ride.
When I was alert on thehelicopter, I remember wiping my
tears and I remember havinglike full hand function, but it
is C6, c7 boundary.

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So who knows, maybe that wasjust from the extra damage that
was happening from me getting up.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I don't know I can kind of relate with my car
accident because I remember likepossibly moving my hands and
like tapping my friend to callthe police or to call an
ambulance.
So I get what you're saying.
It's like this extraterrestrialworld we don't know if it's

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real or fake.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
And then you fucking wake up and it's just like fuck.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Why am I still here?

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, that's always the first initial yeah, yeah and
you probably felt that oh yeah,it's always like why god, why
the fuck, what the fuck did I dowrong?

Speaker 3 (24:45):
what was your journey ?
Like with therapy and likegetting uh back to it was, I'd
say, lifestyle, I'd say it wasup and down.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
So, like when I first got hurt, it wasn't really a
want to get back together,because as soon as I realized
what limitations I had, I thinkit pissed me off like I don't
want to do shit.
Fuck this dumb ass shit.
I want to do nothing.
I want to sit in a fucking room, dark ass room, and listen to
fucking music till my ears bleed.

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I think that was my initialfirst thought.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
They told me you were a dick to nurses.
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, it was.
I mean you're young somethingcatastrophic happens.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
How old were?

Speaker 4 (25:30):
you, I was 21.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
21?
I was 20 when it happened.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
So you're just mad.
So the slightest little thingthat could dissatisfy you
ruthless do you know which onegot me the turning?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
when you would have to turn in the hospital with the
motherfuckers, they would comein.
Okay, mr gross, it's time toturn, it's time to roll you on
your other side it's like fuckyou bitch.
I am feeling great right now.
I'm finally in the middle ofthis movie and now you have to
turn it.
There's no pausing becausethere's no streaming fucking

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hospitals.
And then she turns me anyways.
She's like okay, well, lookslike everything is good, I gotta
do a job you had a ventilatoras well, right?

Speaker 4 (26:22):
yeah, twice.
Well, I'd say for the firstinitial, when I first got hurt,
it was I didn't get off the ventinitially, probably about three
months, because it took so muchtraining, basically because I
fucking passed out probably halfa dozen times trying to breathe

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on my own.
Then they had to fucking openit back up, put it right back in
again, do it all over again.
I'm like fuck, it was justscary, it was scary.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
It is scary.
I was explaining it the otherday.
It's like a paradox.
Your whole life is flippedupside down and you don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Like Stranger things or something.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
You're on the other dark side of it you don't, you
don't know like what to do.
There's there's no like whenyou want to get better at
something, you keep doing it.
There's no like answer, which,which is one of the things I
hate, I, I hate and I still thatthere's no like definite
resolution.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like to where you can just be up
and at it again like you wereyounger or something how long
were you in this like emo phasetype?
Emo phase.
That's a good way to put it,because it was very dark rooms
and hard drugs.
Yeah, yeah, um, I'd say a solidon and off six years, about

(27:45):
half my half my, half my injury,life for sure.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Well, like, what about your journey with therapy?
To like, get out of thehospital or did you stay in the
hospital?

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Max, you know me, I stayed in the hospital cause the
girls that were there until Ifucking met you and you kind of
like dude, you want to move outof the hospital and then, after
like sitting there for four,years, so you stayed there just
for the girls.
Well, yeah, dude, there'snurses that are younger,
caregivers that are younger, andthen you're surrounded by old

(28:18):
guys.
So you got a good chance.
You got a really good chance ofmaybe you know flinging up a
little conversation but when didyou like?

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I remember you explaining that you had to like
work hard just to like eat onyour own again, and so, like
initially, they even move myarms yeah, uh, the best way to
describe it.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
It literally felt, felt like somebody ripping my
skin off just to move my handsand arms, because the nerve line
from my damage of my spinalcord is literally right on that
line.
Swelling back down I shouldn'tsay swelling down, stop swelling

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and then retreating my handsand feet scabbed up with scabs.
That's why I got a bunch oflittle slits all in my hands,
all on the bottom of my feet.
They had to wrap my feet invinegar towels to try to get the
scabs to go away.
That was a miracle to be aliveMiracle, by the way, like the

(29:23):
initial accident.
They put me on the stick unit.
That was like slightly aboveICU for critical condition
people.
You know, severe injuries and Iwas the only one that lived out
of a room full of six peopleMaybe four, no, it was four.
Two of them were gunshotvictims, one was motorcycle and

(29:44):
I was a four-wheeler.
I was the only one that lived,uh, and they had like preachers
in their praying for us andstuff.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
So I'm a little bit of a miracle so god is good
those guys when I was pissedlike I was pissed for a good
three months because I couldn'teat.
But I had my girlfriend at thetime.
I've told you this before.
I had my girlfriend at the time.
She was like my rock and thenwhen she left, everything fell

(30:13):
apart.
So the one thing I wanted tofocus on was therapy.
So I did just a shit ton oftherapy because I wanted to get
out of that hospital.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
yeah, like that was so was was it like more
motivational in a way for thetherapy since she left, she was
the crutch.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
She was a crutch for sure I think and I think, uh, if
we were in different positionsand I was like the man and she
she, she was, she was likeinjured, like, and I'm 20 years
old and I'm dating her, Iprobably would have loved to
just because I'm not young, myfirst, my first relationship

(30:54):
when my accident happened.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
I literally offered the ultimatum like fucking leave
.
Like I'm not going to be thesame soldier you knew before,
like somebody else is gonna beable to make you much happier.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I tried to offer that ultimatum and but when did you
start getting that mindset backthat you are a soldier?
You're doing a great job?

Speaker 4 (31:17):
I just recently, man, honestly, the past few years
Just getting into, I think, asport that is healthy and allows
me to work through my thoughts.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
So I met you in 2016.
That was seven years after youraccident.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah.
So I'd say, initially youprobably motivated me to get the
fuck out of the hospital.
Initially, you probablymotivated me to get the fuck out
of the hospital Because thatwas where my stopping grounds
were for years, because I didn'thave no projection.
I didn't want to do nothing, Iwas emo, like you said, and it

(31:56):
was poor me.
You know what was it like whenwe first met.
What was it like Like met?
What was it like?
Oh my god.
Oh, all right.
So yeah, this is how it goesdown.
I, I am a seasoned veteran atthe va and, uh, I've been around
the block for a few years and Iwas kind of the go-to guy when

(32:19):
I talked to some of the newlyinjured veterans.
And there's a nurse that comesto me like chuck, chuck, you
gotta go talk to this youngsoldier that just got hurt.
I swear, I think you'll.
You guys will hit it off, buthe's really depressed, he's
really sad, and I think you cango in there and cheer him up

(32:40):
just by telling him that you'rearmy veteran too, and I'm like
yeah sure I'll go over there ifI can stroll over to the other
side of the hospital.
It was a long track too yeah,the heinz va is a big campus.
Yeah, I jive over there and, uh, I get over.

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I'm like like where's Max Gross?
And they point at one of therooms, right by the desk, and as
soon as I even not even get allthe way to the door, your
windows open a little bit.
I see a girl in your bedfeeding you food while you were
smiling.
And then I get in there at thetime I'm not dating you.

(33:22):
I'm like this motherfuckerain't depressed.
It's a fucking girl feeding him.
I don't have no girl feeding me, fuck this guy.
No, I didn't really say thatpart, but uh, and then when I
found out you were in thefucking hundred and first two.
I'm like that is so fuckingironic, you know well, I live by
the spade.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I'm not rakasan yeah yeah rakasan's rule.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
If you guys don't know, third brigade rules.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, we rule the brigade does rule.
And that's where we uh like hada moment, like when we first
said, oh, we're 101st, like,okay, we're 101st, there's a lot
of dude, there's a lot of, likeyou know, brigades Well, not
brigades, there's a lot ofbattalions and stuff.
And then you're like, oh, I was3rd Brigade.
I was like I was 3rd Brigadetoo, and then we just got into a

(34:14):
bunch of hijinks.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
This man is the reason why I was able to get
high the first time.
Ah, they make it sound like I'mjust a bad influence.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Now this guy's got the stuff.
Dude, I was like.
I was like this is my man, okay, this motherfucker, is a
daredevil and doesn't give afuck.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I mean because at the beginning of your injury you
don't, you don't give no fucksBecause you're like fuck, what
are they going to do?
But this motherfucker playedthat to the T and I was scared.
He still does.
I'm in my injury some years nowand I'm like, dude, we're going
to get fucking busted.
Fuck them, what are they goingto do?
Put me in handcuffs.
I'm like, no, but I'm thinkingof something.

(35:00):
Man, they're going to think ofsomething.
Put us in a fucking padded roomand take our chairs from us.
I don't know.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
And then we like I know I always bring this up,
it's such a good story Like wewere just chilling in my room
and, dude, like honestly, I wantto say thank you for like
coming to my room all the time,cause I would have been
depressed.
I didn't have a brother, likeyou know.
I mean like I.
I mean I had my friends thatwere able-bodied and I didn't

(35:28):
have, like a person that was ina wheelchair that I like really
gravitated towards, becauseeveryone else like bitched and
moaned and they were all old,because we were out of VA.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
God works in mysterious ways, Max.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Ironically, we were both in the fucking 101st too,
which is crazy yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, and then I lost .
So we find this place.
And this is 2016,.
Okay, so you can't deliveralcohol.
We find this place.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
To a federal facility .
You get that.
No, you can't deliver alcohol.
We find this place To a federalfacility, you get that.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
No, you can't deliver alcohol at all.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
You can't nowadays.
That's what Grubhub's for.
You can get booze picked up.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I'm saying nowadays, yeah, nowadays, back then yeah,
no, it really was.
So we were like let's getMexican food, so we go to the
Mexican and then let's go downthe list and like margaritas
they got margaritas you can get.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Don't fucking way To-go cups, extra large
40-gallon cups.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
So we're like you know what, you know what?
Fuck it, let's give it a try,let's see if it's true.
And then the food gets here.
I like let me get some more.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
I'm fucking holding the cup over the edge of the bed
.
He's acting like I don't know,like he just needed a drink and
he was sucking it down, and thenhe's like let's get another one
.
Yeah, I was like they mightcatch on if they smell booze all
on your breath.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
We had really cool nerves when he was cool, when he
really cool nerves when he wascool when she was cool.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
When he was cool yeah .
She didn't ever try to bust ourgood time.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
One of your favorite stories is when we were in the
rec room and we just got stoned.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
After you had that edible too.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Yeah, you were with me I can't I can't remember her
name.
Yeah, oh yeah.
When you were in there you kepthearing the baby cry.
And then he's like lookingaround like where the fuck is
there a baby?
You hear fucking crying andthen there's this little tiny
fucking tv that's on a movie.
I'm like max is from the tv andthen then he was like what the

(37:51):
fuck?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
one of the hard parts is is when you're young, you're
stupid and I uh, let this oneget away, jimmy, if you're out
there listening.
Yeah, no, I'm just kidding, youwere living, and it's crazy,
though, is because when theymade it sound like you needed a

(38:12):
desperate friend and when Ifirst met you, I was like this
motherfucker is not sad, he'sdoing good, like I see him
smiling a lot, I didn't smile atall, but I think it's because
you had good company that wasbumping and a good support
system and you know what, likethe mental fortitude to go
through it, the position,obviously like I was still

(38:33):
figuring out things, but like itis so difficult Because you go,
it's like a roller coaster youhave your ups and downs, your
ups and downs, but then soonit's like a roller coaster you
have your ups and downs, yourups and downs, but then soon it
starts like stopping.
You know, like maybe like theroller coaster is going to start
again, but like it startsstopping.
And, like you said, you found,like you've literally found
peace in the last year or so, afew years, not like the.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
The wheelchair rugby has opened up a door that I
never had there before, becauseI myself has been slacking in
all physical fitness for almosta decade at least, and now it's
making me want to stay healthy,basically Because I see older

(39:20):
men, I see women in the sportkick fucking ass.
So it pisses the younger me offlike how you gonna let a
fucking girl get out here andhit harder than you.
So it's reawakened the fire inmy soul, like your fat ass your
fat ass needs to be pushing more, because if this girl is making

(39:41):
you look like you're a littlewimp, something's wrong with
this team.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Hey, whatever works, if spite works, whatever works.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
I'm just saying I'm not used to women being in a
physical, very physical sport.
I don't see them actuallyplaying rugby that much.
I'm sorry.
How does wheelchair rugby work?
If it's a contact sport.
So it's these chairs that looklike little chariots.
Um, they're like fortified withheavy uh contact steel that you

(40:14):
push a chair virtually reallyhard to possibly make the other
person more crippled.
Yeah, you just hit them realhard and then they get a more of
a point reduction in rugby.
But no, all seriousness, it isa very good exercise because
you're constantly moving.
It's like soccer you're justrunning the whole time, but with

(40:34):
your arms, obviously, you justkeep pushing.
Um, it's on a basketball court.
At the end there's two conesthat make a goal.
You got to make it throughthere without getting hit into
the cone, basically, and you gotto keep the ball on you.
So you pass it around forward,backwards and then somebody can
hit you to try to knock it outof your lap or, uh, just hit you

(40:57):
in general, even if you ain'tgot the ball well, this is like
a new love.
The wheelchair, because youyou've been doing wheelchair
games for the past, like five,five years now five years or
two-time national right no, notnational national champion, not
an olympian I have never playedon the usa team, but I would

(41:21):
like to have that chance one dayright hopefully hopefully
before the 2028 la olympics wink, wink you know that'd be cool.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah, you keep pushing me.
You're like you need to dobocce ball, ramp, ramp, bocce.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Bro, I'm telling you when you start playing it at
first couple times, you're likeall right, this is pretty fun,
especially if you're kicking theshit out of somebody.
It feels good.
And then on top of it, if youcan make the committee select
you on the USA team, you cantravel the fucking world and get
paid for it.
And if you medal you getbonuses, but they pay for all

(41:57):
your traveling.
Yeah, for bocce, but he'd haveto practice quite a bit.
I've seen like, because there'sbocce, I'm good at bocce, but
I'm not like that good.
I have won two national titles.
I am playing again this year inAlabama for my third.
I've only competed four timesin the nationals, so well, this

(42:19):
will be my fourth.
So two out of three ain't bad.
Considering the first one, Igot hospitalized, so I didn't, I
didn't, I didn't get to evencompete for that medal, so it's
like I'm two for two in a way.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Was it related?
Was it a bocce?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
No, no, no, it had nothing to do with bocce, that's
right.
No, no, it was a dumb nurse iswhat it was.
That's why I was hospitalized.
Yeah, they went to go change mycatheter and blew my urethra,
jesus, because he inflated theballoon of the indwelling
catheter while it wasn't all theway in my bladder and busted my
urethra line.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Oh my God, I almost bled out because he took it out
and then blood.
People don't know half of it.
They don't Like, like, like,yeah, you know A lot of people
with like catheters and all this.
Fuck catheters, all of it.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
I remember like you were telling me about you have
super pubic catheter and justcompletely ruined you for like
for a solid year of torturoushell and it was performed at the
heinz vaa, probably by theliola doctors.
But uh, yeah, the funny part is, after the whole year of agony,
instead of them suggesting atthat moment like hey, do you

(43:34):
want to do the procedure overagain?
No, they waited for me to takeit out, saying no, I'm putting
the indwelling back in becausemy blood pressure just never
wanted to come down they werelike we think we might have took
the wrong approach at thesurgery.
But if you let us do it again,we'll get it better this time.
I'm like what?
You want me to take a chanceagain?

(43:59):
I'm like I don't, I, I justcan't, because I went through
hell like that sucks what yearwas that?
probably the year right before Imet you.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
That was probably 2015 so you're in the hospital.
You met me, I get out of thehospital.
We have like Thanksgiving withour family together.
We have Christmas with ourfamily together.
We watch the fucking Cubs winthe World Series together on a
pizza box like fucking TV.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
A small little 12-inch TV we're like what?

Speaker 3 (44:37):
No fucking way.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
It was lit, though for a 12-inch TV, I was cheering
pretty loud, it was lit.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I don't know if I had more.
I think it was just you and me.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, so if anybody doesn't know, I'm from Ohio, so
I'm a big supporter of my homeCincinnati Reds and Buckeyes.
But when I did live in Chicagofor eight years, I'd never been
to a professional ballpark untilI went to the Cubs.
And then I ended up going toanother Cubs game and another
Cubs game.
And then I met Max and thenfound out he was a Cubs fan.

(45:08):
So I was like, oh shit, this ispretty cool.
I met max and then found out hewas a cubs fan, so I was like,
oh shit, this is pretty cool.
And then the cubs kind of won meover a little bit when they,
when they won the world series,considering I'd never been to a
professional ballpark beforethen, but after a dozen games
and then watching some with maxwhen the world series, I was
like the cubs are pretty good.
And then the very next yearthey let every fucking fucking

(45:29):
player.
It was good Bye.
I was like that's fuckingstupid.
I'm a Reds fan again.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Well, I kept nagging you.
I'm like, bro, I have thishouse, come and live with me,
come and live with me.
The funny part is I used.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
I used that nursing home to pick up women but it
sucked, because I wouldsometimes have an old man as my
roommate and I'm like, dude,ain't no girl want to come chill
in this hospital bedroom withsome old guy next door listening
to everything I do, old guynext door listening to

(46:12):
everything I do.
And then when you suggest thatI'm like that is the problem to
all or that is the answer to allmy problems right now, I got
max telling me he's got thisnice place and then when I look
it up, I'm like, oh, dude, everygirl's gonna want to come here
now.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
It's like all my, all my problems are gone right now
and when we got here it took alittle bit to catch your
bearings.
Then your brother startedcoming and helped you.
You ended up moving out andmoving back to your hometown.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Yeah, all over, some girl, that fucking.
I shouldn't even wasted my time.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
She wasn't very lucky , she was not very lucky at all.
Uh, she wishes to be this lucky, uh, but uh, I'm glad that did
not work out for all the rightreasons so something, uh,
something that I kind of want tobounce off of was is uh, I'm
kind of at that same way where,like I'm, I have like a schedule

(47:13):
.
I used to like sleep till likefive and a half.
You know, go out partying.
You know this, we did this, youknow like I would just do, I
would live life the wrong way.
And now I'm like at a pointwhere, like I'm like, okay, I
have to do this, I have toaccomplish this, I have to
accomplish this.
And then, like, waking up earlyin the morning, now like it's

(47:33):
just, uh, like I said, theroller coaster goes up and down,
up and down.
Right now, it's right.
Right now it's like straight,it's going straight, that's not.
It's not up or down, and it'sbeen like that for like a good
six months I get what you'resaying.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
When, when I feel like there's not, I guess, a
full production of me utilizingdays, I could feel like that
utilizing days.
But when I feel good, when Iwhen I do feel good about
something that I do, then I feellike my day is up if that makes
sense.
So like when you're starting toabout something that I do, then
I feel like my day is up ifthat makes sense.

(48:11):
So like when you're starting toread all that much, you don't
feel good that you just fuckingkilled like half of a phone book
or something the rise and fall.
Yeah, dude that thing is huge.
When you show me that on thevideo, I'm like that's a pretty
thick ass book.
Yeah, that's the book site.
Or like child size, likeprobably 120 pages.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
I feel accomplished.
I don't know like.
I feel like, you see, you knowhow you see, when you're working
out for rugby, like you're ableto move your arms and work out,
like I feel accomplishedbecause, like, I'm like working
out my brain in a way, like, andit feels like I'm doing reps.
It feels like I'm on the benchpress doing reps yeah, I get it
and learning the knowledge andlearning about my quote fucking

(48:57):
ancestors, yeah it's funny.
It's funny though the one thingthat you told me that really, uh
, keeps me going which I thinkis cool about each other is that
you say I motivate you whenyou're upset because you're like
well, max has pain in histhroat, max paralyzed it's from

(49:19):
the aspect of me shouldn't beable to bitch, considering I
have more than someone else.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
So, yeah, uh, when when I do hit some of them,
stalemate moments in my lifewhere I'm like fuck,
everything's fucked, then I haveto kind of recollect and you
are the motivation that's prettymuch got me back into life in
general, because I was emobefore I met you and then I've

(49:47):
blossomed into emo plus and thenI have blossomed into emo plus.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
So you're like, you're not emo.
Plus, bro, you're traveling thecountry, you're going to all
these wheelchair games.
You're doing all these thingsand I promise, I promise you,
we're on a podcast, you're goingto have evidence.
I will go to a wheelchair gamenext year which is in Detroit.
You said.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Detroit, michigan, you should have went this year.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I mean dude, I should have.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Minneapolis.
Minnesota is where it's goingdown this year.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
And since he is opting out of this one, he has
sworn on this cameras that hewill be in Detroit, I will be in
detroit next year.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
it's like june or june, it's july, probably july
maybe, sometimes beginning ofaugust, maybe okay, but it's in
detroit, so it's not as hot asnew orleans, which where it was
last year.
That shit was fucking bacondown there every day.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
It was like hundreds what's your, what's your fondest
memory of?
Like the wheelchair games, likewhat?
What gave you?
Like made you like say likeokay, this is my purpose, this
is what I like to do I'd say.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
At first it was bouncing into other people that
smoked weed while tryingwheelchair sports and and I was
like, all right, these peopleain't such fucking douchebags
and tools.
I guess I'll stick around.
And then I met some prettybadass and cool people along the
way.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Chuck, you did something that I want to do, but
none of my nurses will sign upfor it.
You jumped out of a fuckingairplane last year.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Perfectly good airplane.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
There's no such thing as a perfectly good airplane.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Yeah, dude, we didn't need to fucking jump.
We were just like what else arewe going to do on this nice
sunny, windy it's partiallywindy day it wasn't too windy
and we're like you know whatOscar Mike's like we'll pay for
the ticket.
I'm like, fuck it, I'm doing itthen I ain't got no excuse.
Now, my biggest fear you wantto know what my biggest fear was
Breaking your neck.

(51:55):
No, no, shitting myself.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah, just like the airport.
You want to explain that realquick.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
So I always tell Max like my biggest fear when I'm on
any plane, let alone fuckingjumping out of a perfectly good
one, is shitting myself on theplane.
The reason is because if you'refucking a quad, you got to get
transferred in and out of yourseat with some assistance, and
if you were to defecate on theplane and then had to get

(52:25):
somebody to transfer you to anaisle chair to get off the plane
, you're just going to have shitdripping from the plane all the
way down the tunnel, all theway out the gate and then
transfer into your actual chairso that you can go clean
yourself up, tracking more shitall throughout the airport.
So if that was to happen, justtell the pilot it's okay to send

(52:49):
this one down kamikaze.
Nobody needs to know about this.
Don't want to live through itnow.
Yeah.
Yeah it is my joke, but I'mkind of serious I would be
terrified of that too.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Like fuck, like, I'm just like a looking guy
everybody else.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
They got a fucking bathroom they can go to on the
damn airplane, but not somebodythat can't fucking walk to the
damn bathroom.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Can you imagine the guy working that day just like?

Speaker 4 (53:17):
fuck my wife dude God damn.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
There's a lot of fucking shit all over the damn
plane and I have to pick him upbecause the liability it's going
to get on my sleeves.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
They probably would.
Honestly.
They probably would just closethe plane down, like we're going
to have to move planes becauseit's going to take too long to
fucking clean up You'd probablyplay a big dick in our business.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Can you imagine the smell?
Yeah, that's what I was sayingthey probably would like.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
No, we can't do it because somebody's going to get
on here like dude.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I'm not riding in a plane that smells like shit and
go ask for their fucking refund.
It seems like you're livinglife to the max and that's what
I wanted to get you on, becauseyou have that motto.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Now I can live it.
Living life to the max.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yeah, and you're doing it.
Like I said, you're travelingand you found a purpose, which
is good.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Besides smoking weed, because I know that's your
favorite thing to do.
I mean it's the best medicineout there.
I mean I can say I take a lotof pharmaceuticals.
They don't take care of most ofmy problems, but Mary Jane does
.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
They want to eat this event.
When it comes out, I'll smokeweed all day.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
I'm going to hold you to that.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Hold you I can't do it right now.
It hurts too much I don't blameyou.
That's the worst, but we havedifferent, uh difficulties in
our lives but we still have likedifferent strengths as well.
Like you're, you're like yougive me strength, I give you
strength.
That's why we're like bestfriends and I wanted to get you
on the podcast one on one withme.

(54:52):
I just wanted to get people toget a background definitely your
like your background growing upin a foster, foster system,
like I couldn't imagine doingthat.
I almost had to grow up in afoster system, which I was very
scared of.
I did.
I did foster system, which Iwas very scared of.
I didn't, it's okay, and I wasinfantry and you were.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
That's cavalry.
That's better.
Cavalry sneaks around infantryor just dumb brutes right.
Smarter right.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
It was great having you on.
I'm happy that you decided tostay.
I'm sorry Evie killed you.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.
That was planned, wasn't it?
Oh no, let's see if thismotherfucker thinks he's fatter.
I seriously thought I broke thebed.
I'm like holy shit, dude.
I've been working out how thefuck I put the box spring upside
down in the guest room and fell.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
She went to art school.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
I went to art school.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
She went to art school.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
She doesn't know how boxes work.
She knows how to draw them.
Well.
Max, I'm sorry, chuck.
You're good, Max.
It's always a pleasure seeingyou, bro, you're the one that
helped me get out of my shell,so I can only try to help push
some of that energy you gave meback on you every now and then.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
My house is always open to you.
Hopefully one day we'll get ahouse together like we talk
about.
I'm pretty sure we'll do thatone day.
Tennessee, yes, tennessee,tennessee, yes, tennessee, yes,
tennessee.
I don't know about.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Nashville, because Nashville is so expatriate.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
It used to be nice.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Even though Nashville is nice.
But I wouldn't want to liveright by Nashville.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Like Smoky Mountains Backside of a mountain.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
I don't know if I want to be all the way at the
top, just somewhere near orclose to a mountain.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Well, yeah, because you don't want your wheelchair
to roll off.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Yeah, because you got to make sure you got good
brakes.
Do you have anything to say tothe people.
Live every day like it's yourlast and live life to the max.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
It's beautiful.
Well, for anybody that islistening, we are going to be at
the Abilities Expo on June 20thto the 22nd of 2025, if you're
listening to this, like threeyears later, it's 2025.
It's a good point 're gonna beat the expo and have a booth and

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Speaker 4 (57:47):
Subscribe and action oh're gonna do that soon.
And action, and cut, oh and cut.
Yeah, I do it with one of thosewords.