"16 Years Later" Ft Ross Capicchioni

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I can't rap to this.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, you can rap, alright.
Alright, let's do this.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Alright, yeah, me and Max, we getting paid Every day.
That's what we say.
Let him hate, hold on.
Uh Ay, ay, ay.
Uh, me and Max, we getting paidEvery day.
Why is this kind?
Me and Max, we getting paidEvery day, we getting paid.

(00:29):
Let them hate, that's what wedo.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
So it's fuck you If you in a trude you hit that
though he's asking me if, max Inthe gut, we don't give two
shits and we don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
It's what we do Ain't shit to prove we living life,
living life to the max.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
To the max, to the max.
I be smoking shit.
It's a drag, living life.
Living life To the max, to themax, just like my bad guess I

(01:15):
actually ended up really likingthat beat before we went on it
all right, all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
welcome back to another episode of Life to the
Max.
It's Eric Dutcher, aka Erratic.
We got Ross Capicchione back inthe building.
Make some noise, ross, so thecamera hits you.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
What's up guys?
Thanks for having me back.
Hell yeah, Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
You know we almost didn't want Ross back Last time.
He ate all the food.
He fucking smoked all our weed.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
This guy's a character bro For the record I
might have ate some food, but Ibring my own weed every time.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
And it's all blessings he drives.
How many hours does he have?
This was six hours, bro.
Bro, we appreciate you andwe're going to get right into
your second interview rightafter the quad father spits that
intro.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Paralyzed from a neck down, breathing through a
machine, but that doesn't stopme from following my dreams and
doing what I love to do.
I don't got an excuse, andneither should you.
Let's get into part two ofRoss's episode.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, we don't have any excuses.
Can I just tell a little story?
Before you walked in the door,ten minutes before Ross walks in
the door, I'm getting ready,I'm setting up the cameras, I'm
focusing everything and I findout my dog goes through the
trash and gets the medical wasteand he's eating Max's shit and
you know he's mixing it up.
He's in there.
I thought he was looking peanutbutter off his nose.

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No, it was not peanut butter.
That's disgusting.
Yeah, I didn't know how toclean it.
I kind of wanted to abandon thedog, you know.
And so, whatever, I'm dealingwith that.
And then simultaneously, fiveminutes after that, I look in
the fucking bathroom and I'mflooding the bathroom on
accident.
I left the sink running so Icould clean the shit, right, and
when I walked away so that shitcould heat up, I come back and

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I realized, damn, I'm floodingmax's bathroom.
The sink came undone.
His tenant comes running.
Yo, the electrical room isgetting flooded.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
What's going on up here?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I'm like wow.
But you know what this goes toshow that shit happens, no pun
intended.
And you know, sometimes itstorms but the sun always comes
out and Ross is themotherfucking sun.
So we're going to get in hisstory all over again and we're
going to get acquainted.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
And you know know, everything's going to be great.
My dog's breath is going to bebad for a week.
That's fucked up, man.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
The shit like that.
Oh, it's nothing compared toyour friend shooting or your
quote unquote friend fuckingshooting you three times, bro.
That was some shit too.
But look, we're smiling aboutit years later.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Have to.
Me being in a car accidentalmost 8 years ago getting in
this position.
But yeah, russ, tell your storyjust like you know, quick, if
you guys want to hear like more,like intricate, like more, if
you want to hear more of hisstory, you can go to our first

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podcast that we had with himabout eight months ago.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
From this podcast, For the people that don't know
about your story.
You know, give a littlebackground information, All
right.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
So 16 years ago I got like asked to take a friend of
mine to Detroit to get likenumerous shit from his aunt's
house.
Everyone's like oh, it was adrug deal, but really it wasn't.
But yeah, he set me up to drivehim down there and then when we
got there he basically had likeuh, the gun and shit uh hidden

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and it was just a murder plot,like they set it up so that that
was one of my main questions,like from your story, like did
he have that like stashed in abush?
yeah, that's the fucking like.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
I don't even know, because you guys get to the
destination, you guys get out,and then you turn your head and
boom, you know basically that'swhat happened and it's like
weird to like open up like withyeah, my friend tried to kill me
.
After asking for a ride.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, for months.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
You're going to make the listeners never want to
carpool with anyone.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well, you just got to know who you're with.
But it's hard.
I knew the guy for a long time,but yeah, so that's the thing,
dude.
I remember getting out of thecar and it was like by the time
I walked to the back of my car,it was like he already had the
gun in his hand.
I was like then I heard theshot.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Did he shoot right away or did?

Speaker 3 (05:31):
he say anything.
No, he shot me right away,Basically, once I realized that
he was holding, because I'm in anew area.
I'm just parked in asketchy-ass little alley, so I'm
already looking around.
I really don't notice what he'sdoing.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
The whole time he's like getting it already and I
kind of didn't even know it wasa shotgun did you hear the
initial or was it already loaded?

Speaker 3 (05:51):
it was basically right.
Like once I seen him put thelast bullet in, like he pointed
it was loading, yeah, and I waslike looking around so I like
the first glance I probablydidn't notice him like grabbing
a gun from out the bushes.
Then are you talking in like a30-second?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
to a minute span.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Probably less, maybe less, probably less.
And then that's when I heardthe first shot go off and then I
noticed my arm all bucked upand he was like maybe like 10
feet away, holding the gun at me.
So I like ran towards him andthat's when he shot me in the
chest.
Then he tried to blow my headoff execution style, but I
slapped the barrel away from the.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Because after he hit you in your chest, you ended up
on your knees.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
You know what I would do Like if I was in like war
and shit and I'm about to die.
I would totally put my bloodall over that motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Oh, he's giving you flowers.
Now you got to tell the peoplewhat you did.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Well, that was it, dude.
I didn't know what to do and Iwas so fucking pissed so I just
grabbed, tried to grab a hold ofhim.
He was like the size of you areyou know what I mean?
Like right now.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Ross has like a foot on me, maybe two.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
But no, that's basically what.
And I Ross has like a foot onme, Maybe two, he's in FIFO
plumbing, but no, that'sbasically what.
And I was so pissed Like whothe fuck are you?
Yeah, I didn't do nothing tothat kid to deserve that shit.
People like to talk on theinternet about shit because they
think they know everything, butit's like for real.
You ask any one of my people,my family, even like associates

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at that time, they would tellyou that I was a good guy.
I wasn't doing especially notto do like I didn't have to go
to the east side of Detroit if Iwanted weed or something.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, because there's rumors saying it was about
drugs and shit.
Let the motherfuckers talk theinternet is so wide.
If you read those comments,you'll drive yourself crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Let me ask you this though Say we were going to get
some weed.
I deserve that to happen to me,because I want to buy some weed
.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
How many?

Speaker 3 (07:51):
people buy weed all the time or go to the liquor
store or go to the strip club.
They deserve to get shot down.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
You can never have debates in the comments section
of a viral video.
That's why I don't either,because you never know what the
IQ level is Of the person behindthat screen.
They'll just be talking incircles.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Or the day they had a bad day, they try to take it
out Like I'm really going tolose sleep If, like you, weren't
fucking there, what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
You have to deal with this shit.
Let's recap.
So you get out the car, boomarm hit, damn Chest hit.
Damn you get on your knees,barrel on your head.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Life flashes before my eyes like a book Memories of
me as a little kid runningthrough my parents' living room
like shit that I can't rememberto this day Vivid pictures of it
.
But it happened fast and thenit went back to chaos, feeling
ears ringing, adrenaline, and Ifelt the barrel shaking on the

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top of my head.
So I slapped it away and he hadhis hand on the trigger.
So when I slapped it it waslike an inch away from my head.
But he pulled the trigger.
That was the last shot he hadand that's when he uh took the
barrel like the butt of the gunand like hit me in the face with
it and I fell on my back and hewas like trying to get my keys
out of my pocket.
That's when I was trying tograb his ass and hold on to hold

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on.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
You got my mind racing again, so you swatted the
barrel away you.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
It basically grazed your skull, right yeah, I mean
it hit me, but it and you werestill up yeah, that's the point
where he had to hit you with thebutt of the well I was on my
knees, but me being on my knees,I was almost fucking looking
him in the eye.
Still, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
So it's like Damn no.
But the fact that blows my mindis you survived a fraction of a
headshot.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
No headshot, bro.
My scar is pretty fuckinggnarly Now don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
If I didn't slap the barrel away, this fucking
interview wouldn't even be goingon.
If I get hit with a BBb gun inthe head, I'm going back, I'm
falling to the floor.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, that's what I told myself once the shot went
off I could still see.
I was like all right facts,like it's not as bad as it could
be.
I don't care if half my dome'smissing, I can still see.
That means, like you know, Imean fuck it, I'm not dead, at
least like because the head shotso then he hits you with the
butt of the gun and that's whenlike a kind of like that little
scuffle happens where I'm justlike trying to basically grab

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him and just pin him down asmuch as I can, because I was
like heavier than I, was waybigger than him to not like you
know, fucking.
I didn't even talk to the dudethat's the fucked up thing
Because he got in trouble at ourschool for fighting a group of
our friends and he came up to me.
He was like you got my back.
Came up to me.
He was like you got my back.

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I'm like no, what, what?
You're over here trying tofight random people for no
reason.
That happens to be our group offriends too.
Like what, what?
What kind of movie are youliving in?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
it's crazy, so he got he got expelled from school.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
I didn't even know, so that's how he was trying to
get me to go downtown because hewould be like you know, miss.
Miss mcdermott said I couldcome back to school, bro, I was
only suspended, but he wasreally expelled.
Motherfucker was plotting on me.
That's what people don't getlike.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I I want everybody listening to imagine themselves
in high school and try toimagine like I was in these
positions.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
I lived in the fucking burbs, bro.
I never.
I mean, I was born in detroit,michigan, but I lived in the
burbs.
Like I used to go down thereand shit.
Like don't get me wrong, weweren't't perfect kids.
But at that point, my junioryear, that like week of leading
up to that, I was your normal,fucking 17 year old kid, bro,
like from the suburbs.
I had two working parents.

(11:15):
If you guys ever met my fuckingdad, there wasn't really no
fucking around going on at thecrib, no drug deal.
You know what I mean?
Don't get me wrong, I fuckedaround as a kid and did stupid
shit, don't, yeah.
But it's like, leading up tothat, that's what I never.
I couldn't understand.
Like what made someone thinkthat they could like just wipe,
wipe me off the face of theearth and no one's gonna be like
you know where did my son go?

(11:36):
Or where did my fucking friendgo?
Yeah, a guy that's like usuallyall around.
And I had jobs like at localplaces in our name.
Like it's like what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (11:45):
for no reason, for no fucking reason, bro.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
There's still I don't know a reason.
Like I try to talk, likeobviously the dude didn't want
to talk until he had to admit towhat, uh, he did.
But the other kid involved.
I got to sit down with himone-on-one and I said I don't
care about nothing, dude, I'mnot gonna.
You guys think like I'm gonnahurt you, it's like I'm to go to
jail if I do anything to youguys.
They already know all of us.

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It's like what the fuck?
It's not a movie, bro, whereyou can say, oh, I don't know
him, and then you go with yourbros and shoot his shit.
Don't work like that,especially in the suburbs.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
They're his house shot up here.
You're under arrest.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
You're the first.
You know a fucking suspect man.
That just goes to show, bro,there's shitty people, there's
shitty and crazy peopleeverywhere, and that's the thing
.
This month, this this dude's 15years old and premeditates the
thing for like up to threemonths and I'm and in the
meantime he's out of the picturebecause he's suspended, but
he's really expelled and uh, hewas back living down in detroit
and meanwhile I'm seeing theother guy around and he's
ducking me like literallyrunning from me, hopping in cars

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driving away.
I'm thinking what the fuck iswrong with that guy, like why is
he acting so weird?
Like I'm out of here?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
So he's acting like that, and then he asks you for a
ride.
No, no no, no.
That's the other dude.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
The guy that asked me for a ride.
No, no, no, oh, this is that'sthe other dude, this is the guy.
The guy that asked me for aride's been just like trying to
hit me up randomly like randomthree, one, three numbers call.
Hey bro, what's up, can youtake me today?
It's like, yeah, yeah, the guythat knew about it like was
plotting with them to conspire.
It would like see me atpeople's houses in the
neighborhood and like hide andrun away and I'd be like what
the fuck is wrong with that guy?
Why is he doing, acting likeI'm going to hurt him or

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something?

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, you left these details out in the first
interview.
I'm glad you got something newto put to it.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, because there's so much to it.
That's the thing, bro.
There's so many different waysto bring it.
And then it's like he's goingthrough my pockets which I
didn't really have.
I think it had like my car keysand maybe my phone, but I don't

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even think I had a phone.
I'm excited, like I just knewbetter going down there, because
, like once I said yes, it waskind of like a fucking last
minute thing too, like a plansfell through.
I was sick of getting blown upby him, not take him.
I felt kind of like a littlebit like all right, fucking, all
that shit happened.
You think like we're againstyou.
You got kicked out of schooleven though you're fighting

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people.
Fuck it, I'll go and we'll comeback.
So I usually would leave mywallet and everything home.
I would drive the car with nolicense or nothing, because I
just knew like Detroit back in07, it's still like not like
this.
I love Detroit, bro, you knowwhat I mean.
But there's areas, lions.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, for sure, Lions for sure, I think every city,
you know they love their city,but there's always those parts
you just know.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
I just know that I don't belong there.
You know what I mean.
And that was a spot that hewanted me to take.
I knew like I didn't belong onthat side of town, so it was
already off.
But yeah, dude, it was strangeseeing that fucking dude and he
would run from me and I wouldwonder, like, why is he running
from me?
Oh, I'll come to find out,plotting to kill me.

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For what?
No, no reason.
Like there's court documentsabout.
Like then they, the cops, wouldsay that there's no reason.
Behind this is some nuts likecrazy shit.
Dude, it was like my only thingwas like they're at.
They were actually like kind oflike, maybe like jealous, but
it's like for what, though?

Speaker 1 (15:19):
like it's?
Whatever the reason is, it'smind-boggling that 15 or
16-year-olds the plot's 15, 14,and 15.
14, 15.
I was only 17.
There's people that haven'teven kissed a girl yet.
Bro, I wasn't even thinking of.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Are you kidding me?
Murdering someone out ofnowhere?
That still makes meuncomfortable and I'm like I
would kill for my kids, no doubtmy close family, no problem.
But just to deuce that kind ofDude I was, could you imagine?
Flip it.
He's shooting me.
I'm screaming for my life.

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I'm trying to fight.
I'm looking like a fucking Lookat the 50-50.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
You look like that shit's probably fucking
bothering to remember you try toput and normally when someone
first pulls the trigger they'relike in shock, like fuck.
I just shot someone, but he didit three times.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
And then he physically assaulted you.
That's different.
That's personal, you know anycoward can flex their finger.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Oh for sure.
Especially any coward can setyou up and shoot you when you're
not looking in the arm.
Yeah, but looking in the arm,yeah, but yeah.
So what happened?
So, yeah, he's trying to dig inmy pockets.
So eventually I'd it wouldhappen quick, but like I was
able to fucking end up grabbinghim, like I said, because he was
in my pockets and I was able toput my arm like grab him and

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pull him on me and we did thatlittle hug thing where I ended
up from my back to my stomachand he took off running, trying
to pick up like the three shellcasings, and just skirted off in
my vehicle.
But the thing is, I knew I wasgoing down there too, so I left
my truck on enough gas to getthere and back because I knew
I'm not stopping for gas downthere.
I'll stop when I get back tolike normal shit for me to stop

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and get gas and not stick out.
You know what I mean and that'swhat I was trying to say.
Like I love the city.
Man, I did a lot of cement workdown there for a big place
called hard plaza.
It's like the main, um, likepark for downtown detroit.
I made like a lot of new skates, like old skate spots more
skatable by pouring, because Ilove the city.
People like trying to say Ihate it.

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But yeah, it was in a badneighborhood, bro, so he left me
there.
I remember I was on my stomachand I watched my truck drive off
and I was like damn, dude, okay.
And then that's when I tried topush myself off the ground but
I couldn't get up.
I was too fucked up.
So like probably like a seriesof like this is all in my head,

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like three attempts of me andsay being like kind of, just
like this.
It's like hey, hey, you gotyour voice in your head, bro.
Yeah, get up.
How the fuck are you going tofeel?
No pain?
You know you just got shot.
So, like the last time I waslike fuck it, man, let me just
try, I can.
I felt like arms, like pick myass up off the ground, because I

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thought it would.
I thought he circled around andcame back because he seen me
get up, maybe in the rear view,but no man no one was even there
, was there.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
No, I told the nurse last night when I was clocking
out that, uh, we got, we gotRoss coming back for a second
time.
And she goes oh, that's the onewho got picked up by an angel.
That was.
That's the one detail that sheremembers about you.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
And that's 100%.
I can remember every moment ofthat incident, down to certain
smells.
If I go bird hunting with mydad, if the shotgun goes off,
bro, I'm back into ears ringing.
That fucking musky gunpowdersmell gives me a fucking deep
chill.
But then I still love huntingthough, fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Guns are not the problem.
I get that way during caraccidents, when I see them on TV
shows and stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
If I'm watching a movie with Max and the car
fucking flips and the roofcollapses, I'm like I look at
Max like you good.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
For real.
I can watch game of thrones,maybe because they use axes and
shit, but like I watched save itprivate riding the other day,
dude, and I was like no, no,turning this shit off it's like
seeing the day seeing peoplegetting like hit and they're
like, ah, screaming becausethat's, you ain't getting hit
and you're just like, yeah, nah,dude, you're're fucking life or
death going on.

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It's a whole different.
The sound of that is bloodcurdling, grown man screaming
for his life.
You know, people don'tunderstand about that.
A lot of people see this shitthrough a fucking computer
screen.
They've never even been in afucking flag football match.
They're going to tell me whatthe fuck's up about something.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
What does Mike Tyson say?
He goes, everybody goes in thering with a game plan until they
get hit in the fucking face.
Everybody thinks they know whatthe fuck they're going to do.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
That's when he told that guy I'll fuck you till you
love me faggot.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
That was the best dude.
That guy's the GOAT there goesour Google ads.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
We can't promote this one now.
Cut it out it out.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
But you know, that was the go to shit.
He said to someone bro, butanyway, yeah, I got picked up.
He steals your.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Oh, you got picked up and he steals your car gone.
So I'm standing up like justkind of looking down and like
the pile of bloods is like asmuch as this table from one guy.
Yeah, and it's.
It's this color black dude.
Oh yeah, disgusting.
And I'm looking down at my armand shit, I'm like what the fuck
is going on?
What kind of terrain are youlaying on?
Like grass, like a alley?
So like grass and dirt mix, andlike where the those guys are

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is like backyards to houses, solike, and then this side's a
building, so like gravel grassyeah, then there's like a door,
a door wall to a building, thena main road and then there's
someone's backyard.
So basically I'm getting shot upin someone's backyard.
So when I'm standing up I'mlooking forward and it's a good
like fucking stretch, like 200feet at least, and I'm looking

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and all of a sudden, dude, I gotthe strongest like shove, like
two-handed shove, and I walkedthat whole bitch.
I remember looking down, dude,just fucking, oh, walking dead,
straight walking dead, scene,like just how they look on the
thing with the shit hanging off,dude, that's what I looked like
.
My head was probably like thisbig from the pressure.

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I got no fucking teeth, bro,half my head's hanging off my
arms, all it's broad daylightlike 3, 30 like right now, and
so, uh, I remember I walked tothe end of the building in the
houses and I just went likestraight down like a tree when
they timber, and when I wasfalling there happened to be a
cop off duty driving to the gym,going westbound on the road.

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So I was basically walkingparallel with the cop behind the
behind the building.
Yeah, if you feel me, and thegrass was high as fuck when I
fell, like overgrown.
So if he would have caught me amillisecond before dude,
because this is what we didn'ttalk about last time.
He drove about three miles andturned the fuck around because

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he said he didn't think it wasfake.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
He's just thinking that was weird.
I got to get to the gym.
What if that kid's fucking NahI got to?
Was weird.
I got to get to the gym.
What if that kid's fucking nahI got to work out?
I got dinner later.
Nah, fuck that.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I'm going around, I'm going back Exactly what he said
, because he's like, how manytimes where you got the green
light to an intersection whenyou're going to, why would you
look right or left?
He's like, why the fuck did Ilook to the right-hand side,
just right, when you fell and Icould see all the blood on you?
And then I kept driving andtold myself, no, you got it.
You better.
You better fucking go back anddouble check that shit.

(22:28):
So have you?
Have you reached out?

Speaker 1 (22:29):
to that cop after your accident.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, I used to talk to him when I went on Anderson
Cooper's show.
They had me meet him.
But I'll be honest, when Iheard his voice and heard him,
the person stay with me.
I couldn't see, couldn't see noone bro.
I could only hear and feelbecause I lost so much oxygen.
But that's what happened.
When I hit the ground, after Iwalked all that way, I said like

(22:53):
all right, man, you did thebest, you can Just fucking go
sleepy now, just relax.
Because it felt so good toclose my eyes, bro, because when
I would close my eyes and whenI would close my eyes and like
fall asleep, it felt like allthe pain.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
My arm felt normal, my fucking chest didn't burn
really bad, you know, my earsweren't ringing I was gonna ask
about the pain when you freshlyyeah, do it those injuries were
you pumping with so muchadrenaline you couldn't feel it,
the shot to the arm.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
I didn't even feel because when I looked down and
seen it hanging off like a90-degree angle, my bones
sticking straight out, it waslike fighter flight instantly
and I ran towards him and that'sthe shot to the chest.
Now, no, no, no, that shit hurtlike a motherfucker.
Bro Felt like a fucking grenadewent off in my front pocket.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
This is kind of going to be a weird question.
What between the arm, the chest, your teeth get knocked out in
the head Chest, your chest wasstressing you out the most.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
It hurt so bad.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I can't even describe it, besides the pain I'm
talking about, like your mentalthoughts.
Yeah, it's his breathing.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
It hit me with the breathing bro.
I couldn't even stay strongbecause I couldn't even breathe,
and that felt like I fuckingall right, this is the best way
I can describe it.
You're chilling on the groundright now, this harvard floor,
just minding your business,maybe playing with the dog.
I come out of nowhere with a 50pound sledgehammer, straight
jump off the table, swing ithits you in your chest so you

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get that blunt force thing.
But then I take a blowtorchwith glass on it and I hit it
with the right in the same spotand then I take like rusty
screws and I kick them in and Ilight it all on fire too.
While you're on that, stilldealing with that straight blow
first, that's the shot to thechest, the head.
I didn't even feel that shit.
I just knew I was good becauseit was burning.

(24:38):
But I was like I can still see,fuck it, fuck.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I can still see Fuck it, fuck it, all right.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
All the whole time Ring the loudest fucking ring.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
And the only time it ever went away is when I started
to sleep.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
That's how I told myself you're fucking up, kid,
you got to get up.
So with one of those times likethis, in the headset voice,
third person I came back to it.
I heard oh bro, I'm coming.
Then I instantly felt the guygrab me.
He's like oh my god, dude, he'slike I got you.
He's like I called theambulance.
As soon as he said ambulance, Icould fucking hear this little

(25:13):
like, so like a little distinctambulance noise.
And he's like I got you.
And I kept fading off hard bro,because he's holding me and it
felt so good to have like thatlast bit of comfort.
No stranger bro, just bro, justholding me.
I was like, oh, fuck, this,this feels great, dude, I'm
sleeping.
And he come on, man, you lookgood and I'm thinking,
motherfucker, I don't look good.

(25:33):
But I got you, like, and thenthe ambulance would get louder
and louder and louder, bro, andhe would stay with me until
eventually.
That shit was right up on, youknow, and I remember that I
could feel everything and heareverything.
I just couldn't see.
It was like I was completelyblind because of my lack of
oxygen.
It was like my eyes werecompletely closed, but I could
feel it and hear it.

(25:54):
I could feel the wind blowingand shit and the pain.
And when I got in the ambulance, obviously they hit you with
the saline, whatever to get allyour blood flowing.
Because then when I got intoambulance, as soon as they
hooked me up, bro, I could seeagain Like I kind of fuzzily
like shh and then came back andthat's when I noticed the EMT
like staring at me, like oh shit, and that's when I noticed that

(26:21):
little fucking dot of lightright through his forehead.
Like you know, in story woodygets, yeah, with sid, that
little thing.
I seen that through hisforehead and as soon as I looked
at it it moved.
It was like and that's when Istarted getting it was first and
out of a body experience.
I don't know if anyone's eversmoked dmt or took psychedelics,
but it's like when you blastoff and you like really feel

(26:42):
like the rocket ship effect,like that's, that's what I like
started to feel like the up,like a acid trip, like creeping
up, like I was out of my body,soul is just leaving yes,
leaving the vessel, I felt likeI was laying on my back with my
arms open, but I was in the air,but I had no body.

(27:02):
I felt like and you were lookingat yourself, not yet, I was
just going up, like with my likeyou know what I mean Like this,
oh, you felt like, and I waslike I got no fucking arms, but
I can feel them, you know what Imean.
Like I felt a lot Like, I feltme, but there was, I was in the
fucking floating in the air andI was Up, the fucking like.
If you know what I'm saying,I'm laying on the bed of the

(27:23):
ambulance.
I'm like halfway up the thing,yeah, and I told myself like yo,
look at yourself, like flipover.
And as soon as I said no, I'mnot going to do that, the
fucking light just was like afucking rocket ship, peephole,
straight white tunnel, blast off, blast off up, just all white.

(27:49):
He went into light speed.
Yeah, straight light.
You're like buzz light year.
I'm swear to god, dude.
And I was going up, though,like forcefully going up to this
light.
That was like literally takingme, like you know how my cody
can relate a little bit like ifyou go really fast down a hill
on your skateboard.
It's not the wobbles, you getsome kind of like crazy vision
because you're going so fast andyou're trying to focus.

(28:11):
It's almost like a peephole.
That was like that, but itstarted off as like a laser
pointer, then got like peoplewhen you look through a door to
a full fucking.
My whole everything was brightwhite.
But I still had that g-forcefeeling like like a plane taking
off.
And then I got so far into thatg-force feeling it literally I
crossed over, bro.
That's when I died and went intorecarnation, because I I was

(28:33):
skateboarding through theparking lot of the hospital and
I seen the ambulance pull upwith my body in it and when I
seen that, uh them, everyone runout, like that's what I seen
after the fucking G-Force tunnelleft, I was third person
skateboarding through a parkinglot like telephoto filming like
the front of the hospital withthe ambulance rolling up, all

(28:55):
the doctors rushing out, andwhen they're pulling my body out
it goes from like my feet andwhen it goes to my head it goes
black.
And then that's when I woke upin the hospital and when I
fucking left the hospital fivedays later I walked out of those
same doors I seen when I diedand I never been to the hospital
today in my life.
It is impeccable.
So I never been to the hospitalin my life.
St john's morass I I was there.

(29:17):
I see myself dead there and Iwalked out the same fucking
doors I seen when I left.
I was with with my mom and Itold her to stop.
She's like why we're in themiddle of a parking lot.
I'm like, just hold up a minute, turn me around.
And I was like staring at it.
And then when we were drivinghome, she's like what, you kind
of scared me in the parking lot,what's wrong.
I was like told her and she'sjust like, I think, because

(29:38):
that's right after, I seen thatangel too, the maintenance guy
that knew all the stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Let's go back to Spirit Ross.
When Spirit Ross is doingkickflips in the parking lots,
flatlined.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Ross is getting demonstrated to the doctor and
the doctor's like he's done.
Do you think that was like youleaving Earth?

Speaker 3 (29:59):
That shit's deep.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Shit's deep.
Do you think that was youleaving Earth?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
I was done.
That was when I cause the onlydoctor that told me, yeah, dude,
you died, was the dude thatsaved my life.
Everyone else was like, oh well, you know, cause it's like
political, whatever, you know,thank you.
I'm just nervous cause youarrived with no pulse.
Yes, doa, dead on arrival.
So in that time, 2007, theydidn't do say that anymore.

(30:26):
But he doctor said you,motherfucker, you were dead, bro
, he's like.
I looked at you on that tableand I was like this kid's
probably the same age as my son.
I gotta do.
I gotta do it for the medicine.
I gotta try to everything I'velearned in school, all my years
of fucking, you know, think youknow.
Can you only imagine a fuckingdoctor, bro?
We're all intelligent people,but those people, especially

(30:48):
surgeons and shit, that's awhole nother breed of like.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah you know this guy you should see this.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I mean, you see my chest, the fucking, the gunshot
wounds bigger than this fuckinggrinder cup, but the open heart
surgery mark is two like a footand a half long because he had a
wildly open me up and take myheart out of my body and repair
all my fucking arteries did theysay what the first steps was

(31:15):
like?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
was it directly to your heart?

Speaker 3 (31:17):
oh yeah, the first thing was like a couple uh tubes
to get rid of some uh pressurein the back of my head, like
some drain tubes, and then I wasputting on the ventilator and
then they gave me open heartsurgery and then they gave me 24
hours to either come to orthey'll just pull a plug okay,
and did they tell you how longit was?

Speaker 1 (31:39):
three, your pulse came back three days.
Three days, wait, like like.
When did they?

Speaker 3 (31:44):
when did they bring a pulse back when I when I uh, I
I don't even know that what yeah, probably right after, but yeah
, they gave me uh once, theygave me the, obviously once they
got my pulse coming back, I hadthree days.
That's when I woke up in thehospital after the third day.
So that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
I'm not sure, like when they got because, like I
wonder how long they would workon someone that is dead on
arrival before they're like.
All right, you know, like isthere.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
That's why they gave me.
I think that's why they gave me.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
The nurse says 45 minutes is their window of
trying.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I think that's why they gave me the ventilator for
24 hours and I must have startedbreathing.
And then that's when, maybesecond day, I woke up.
Because it was weird waking updude.
It was like I woke up likemyself, but it was all white.
I'm like all right, fuck it.
Wow, here I am.
You know what I mean it was allright for me too rossi's in

(32:35):
heaven, but there ain't no onearound.
But I didn't feel the wholetime I never felt scared.
I felt like I today, like thefirst time when I drove here, I
was like nervous you know, Inever drove on these roads and
never met you guys like today.
I was like yeah, like excited,like I, you know, and that's how
I felt the whole time.
I never had like like a badfeeling and then like real quick

(32:58):
, to go back to like when I seemy life flash before my eyes,
that's how I know, like I didn'tdeserve it, because when my,
when my fucking life flashedbefore my eyes, there was no
other, there was no images of medoing anything bad to anyone.
It was all, it was all peacefuland shit.
It wasn't like me, like beat,bullying those kids that try to.
So it's just like I fuckingalready knew it, bro, I already

(33:21):
knew it.
I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I wasn't scared either.
When I got in my car accident,like I woke up and I don't know,
maybe it was the medication Iwas on or whatever.
I woke up and like I just likethought, okay, well, you know
something shitty got told andyou're going to like go to rehab
and you're going to you like goto rehab and you're gonna, you

(33:46):
know, walk again.
You know right away.
But I didn't realize like thelike severity of the situation.
Yeah, I, uh I woke up to awhite light.
There's a white room, whitelight, like with just staring at
the ceiling yeah, because youguys are both in comas right,
both for three days.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, medical, yeah, you guys are coma brothers.
Yes, sir, brothers for life.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
And we share the same birthday.
That's cool.
But yeah, when I woke up it wasthe weirdest shit because I
felt like right now, but it justlooks like white, Like all
white, and then it started toget like pixelated, like when
the old school TV black andwhite static.
You know channel when you dothe aux cord back in the day,
when you're waking up.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, probably because your eyes are shut for
so long.
All your pupils are huge Right,or your pupils are so tight
because it's so much light.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, it was like staring at that light, but like
the whole room you couldn't seeno windows.
And then it was like gotpixelated like an old TV fucking
screen.
And then I could.
It was like foggy.
I could see shit like stuff onstands and I could hear like
beep beep, beep, and then all ofa sudden bro, like a fucking

(34:59):
snap of my fingers, bro back tonormal vision.
I was tied down to that damntable and I just seen that nurse
staring at me.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
What was it like waking up, like being tied down?

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I got scared, bro.
I didn't know what the fuck wasgoing on.
I'm trying to breathe and I gotthis ventilator pumping you
know oxygen into my lungs andI'm tied down.
I remember when they pulledthat fucker out, dude, I coughed
up the hugest fucking anyNewport smoker will know.
That's pretty nasty morning.
I got that shit beat, bro.

(35:30):
It's probably like a gallonbucket of like tar and shit felt
so good.
I remember just breathing sohard like probably sounded like
a fucking donkey, you know whatI mean, but I felt so good.
I was breathing as hard as Icould.
They're like keep going, youknow, then, like shortly after
his pass out, because my lungscould, and then my body's like
shutting down from all that work.
I tell you what, though threemonths after being shot hurts

(35:51):
way worse than fucking.
Anyone don't get me wrong.
It hurts when it's happening,but recovering, man, fuck, I
thought I would never feelnormal.
I don't feel normal, but I'vemanaged to work with, like the,
some pain, but I mean it washard to breathe, bro.
I used to have like the lowest,like I don't know what the
nurses call, but like I thoughtthey were like no, you're good,

(36:13):
it's just your.
Your lungs and shit are musclesand you just got shot in your
lungs and shallow breath.
One of your lungs got like 160bb's left in it because they
couldn't.
That's what they told me.
There was no time to fuckaround.
Try to fillet your lungs andpick out bb's.
That shit will either rejectyour body, it will reject it,
the ones that are not embeddedand the ones that are embedded.

(36:33):
So you naturally got rid of therest.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
There's only a few that I got rid of, so you have
117 BBs.
I got the x-ray.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
I'll show you the x-ray and we can blow it up one
day and you can try to count asmany as you can.
Can blow it up one day and youcan try to count as many as you
can.
There's at least over 100.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Do you ever feel any irritations?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
No, I mean I got some close to the skin where if,
like, it's kind of like a pimple, if you squeeze it, it's metal
and it hurts like a bitch.
Like even pushing it throughthat light layer of skin would
probably send me passed out,because the doctor said don't
try to pop them, I don't carehow close it is to he's like

(37:17):
it's gonna fucking hurt, bro.
So I remember when I had mywomb vac.
It was like a vacuum cleanerthat like closed the chest wound
because it was so big from theinside.
So every third day the ladywould come up and rip that thing
out of my chest and I'd have ahole like this big, wide open.
I could see my heartbeat andthat's the first time I see my
heart moving, because I askedthe guy because I used to sit in
the shower and he'd be like yo,I gotta stay here to make sure
you're okay.
Um, while the machine's out ofyou, it's like my job, I have to

(37:41):
make sure I put so, like, ifyou want to shower, it's really
good.
If you shower, I'll sit.
And I was like yeah, pleasestay in here, because I might
fall off the chair, but I wouldput a towel over my lap and shit
and he'd be like just let thewater run and, man, like the
amount of blood that shit wouldpump out, I would get like so
nauseous.
But then one time I was staringat it like this and I'm like yo

(38:01):
.
I think his name was like Mattor Brett or something.
I'm like yo of bread orsomething.
I'm like yo.
He's like, yeah you good bro.
I'm like, yeah, I just noticedthis weird thing beating in
weird sections.
What's that?
He's like oh, that's your heart, bro.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Now your organs are having out-of-body experiences.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
When they used to clean my arm wound.
That was nasty, bro.
They used to scrape all theshit off it so it'd be down to
the bone.
One time I was like how's itlook, doc?
And he's like it looks reallygood, bro.
I'm like can I look at it?
And he was like, yeah, good one.
I'm like no, I think I can.
You know, you know, I got shot,bro.
He grabbed me by like my legand said look at me.

(38:42):
And it looked at me.
Now he goes.
It looks good for me.
He's I'm a fucking doctor, Isee this shit all the time.
He's like you want to look atit?
I said, yeah, he goes.
Okay, put a little mat down onmy lap.
I look down, bro.
I see my straight raw bone,like six inches of it and six

(39:04):
inches is not small, that's along.
That's a decent of exposed bone, all my muscles around it, in
my veins, like the dark, likeyour blood is so dark when it's
in.
Like it was.
Like my veins were like exposedbut they had like see-through
grip tape on them.
If, yeah, yeah, like I couldtell you know what I mean.

(39:26):
Like they were in, like in liketheir protective, like vein,
but it was exposed, really likeif you like touched it it would
maybe pop it.
I looked down.
It passed right out insideBecause there was like a it
looks good to me, dude, the pileof like stuff he cleaned off.
Bro was like this high, it wasskin and shit.
Bro, it was like this high, itwas skin and shit.

(39:47):
But it was all like red andclean.
And when I woke up he was likeright there, he's like I told
you, bro, he's like it looksgood and he's like are you okay?
He's like can we get him somepain?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
medicine please.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
So when you wake up in the hospital, it's just
nurses and the doctors.
Nobody knew where you were.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
They didn't know anything about me, because I had
no license, because you lefteverything at home.
So they were asking me likewhat year is it?
I'm like fuck, if I know, bro.
They're like what's your name?
I'm like I don't got one, youknow.
They're like where are you at?
I'm like tell me.
And then they were like anynumber you know, and I fucking
my number, you know, and Ifucking my dad doesn't even have

(40:26):
this phone number.
I was like 586-243-3117 andthey asked me for it again and I
said 586-243-3117.
They asked me the third time.
I said what number are youtalking about?
Wow, they're like the numberyou just gave me.
I'm like I didn't give you guysno number.
They're like okay, poor dude,you're fucking razzled.

(40:47):
That was my dad's number, dude,that was your father's number,
only thing I knew for months.
I don't know how the fuck Iremember the number, bro, yeah,
there's so much shit about thisstory.
It just shows you it's like waymore than like actually.
It just shows you how much goodwill overcome the fucked up
shit.
You just got to stay real, tobeing good, like I've always

(41:09):
been a good person.
Like I said, I made somemistakes everyone has but I've
shot no one.
I never fucking hurt no one's,grandma or nothing.
So, yeah, that's the shit.
Bro called my dad I guess my momsaid she never heard no fucking
screaming like that becausethey were looking for me for
three days and this is anotherthing I never talked.
I'll release it with you guysbecause you guys are my friends.

(41:29):
My mom worked for the schooldistrict for a long time I won't
say what one and shit, becauseshe's retired, but she had intel
.
And like, the day after I wentmissing, the police liaison
officer, like the school copfrom our high school, told my
mom like we know, ross has beenshot, but we can't say shit

(41:51):
because we haven't found hisbody yet.
They didn't know.
I was at the hospital.
So when my dad got the call.
That's them three fucking days,dude, of knowing your kids shot
, but not where his body iscrazy, it makes me sick to think
about it because I got threekids, yeah, but I'm just like
prepared for not to cry about it.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
What are some of the biggest things that stood out to
you when your parents told youtheir thoughts on the whole
situation in those three days?

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Oh, dude, I only learned this because we did like
some shit along like a couplemonths ago for a project and
they opened up about it.
I never even knew that I was inmy fucking mom's kitchen like
I'm good, shut up, dude, don'tlook at me it's horrible.
but I was in my fucking mom'skitchen like I'm good, shut up,
dude, because it's horrible.
But I remember the first thingI said to my mom was please
don't be mad at me.

(42:35):
She's like I'm not mad at you,bro, I'm so happy you're alive,
because I knew, once it set inwith how serious it was.
I'm like this is crazy.
And then it was just like,basically I, and then like, uh,
the cops already knew everything.

(42:55):
So it was not even like a focusof like, oh, let's retaliate.
It was like let's get youhealthy to leave and get strong,
and then we'll worry about whatyou guys want to do.
Because I had time, dude, Ididn't say shit to no one for a
while.
All they said was we have twopeople in custody that we know
did this, no matter what youtalk to us about it.
When you can remember and it'sbecause I never experienced your

(43:19):
brain work like that, likecoming back to life.
I would one day would feelsharp and the next day I'd be
like what?
The not know anything.
So it's like they didn't wantme telling my side of the story
one time and be different.
So it's like I woke up and, youknow, remembered everything, so
that was crazy too.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Do you think what they're trying to say is like
shock, like maybe you'll say thewrong things because you're in
shock.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Oh, yeah, scared at pain, like the first time I had
to testify.
I was still in a wheelchair, Ihad that vacuum thing on me, I
had no teeth, all my staples inmy head and I'm in a courtroom
by for three hours waiting forthem and it's like I can't even
deal with the pain, no more.
And they said if you leaveright now, he gets to walk away

(44:08):
free.
And my dad dude yeah, let's puthim through these tormenting
few hours.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
And you guys, no one knows my dad yet.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
But Cody and my dad's like, bro, you got to.
You know he's like gettingemotional, like, come on, you
know they're trying to feed melike painkillers.
Just, you don't got to say shit, just make sure the judge knows
that's the guy that did it sohe can get held in jail and not
released because we're not goingto try to fucking go after him.

(44:34):
The police already told youyou'd be a fucking fool if you
try to do nothing.
Because they came to our houseand shit, seen my dad's gun safe
, seen all the mounted animalsthat he shot in Alaska, alaska,
for my 300 yards.
They're like yes, please,please, don't do nothing.
Stupid, because my grandpa toldme oh, you don't, you don't

(44:56):
know the guy, you don't know theguy.
I'm like no, no, I can't dothat.
He's like oh, yeah, you can,you can.
Yes, you can't.
Grandpa was with the business.
Oh, my grandpa was ready, bro,god rest his soul.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I can say that came back home your grandpa had the
Rambo bandana bandolier over hischest, cigar out of mouth.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Cigarette.
Dude.
He would show up, dude,randomly, like once a week, and
like, come over with his likehat on and like for a while the
police would chill out front,just as a courtesy.
No one asked him to do it as acourtesy.
No one asked him to do it.
I never asked for they would do.
They just did it out of respectfor, like, yo fuck, that no one
should be fucking with no one,no one.
So he would drive past thepolice, you know, and come up to

(45:36):
the house with, like his hatreal low and glasses, knock on
the front door and at that time,dude, anyone came over.
I don't care if it was my dad,everyone's scared, everyone's
freaked out.
Come in.
Oh, my mom would greet him.
Oh, no, you know, jerry, comeon in.
And he'd come up to me how youdoing?
He's like, remember, you don'tknow nothing, right?
I'm like no, no.

(45:56):
He's like, no, you don't knownothing, bro, he gave me like a
hundred bucks and then one day,because he came over and he was
pissed, he told my dad like fuckthis dude, how old was your
grandpa at the time?
Probably like 70.
Dude, it's beautiful to hear.
Oh, dude, my nana, don't fuck,he was a little guy too.

(46:17):
He didn't fuck with that guy,but he was for real like don't,
because he knew if you say hedidn't do it, they'll let him go
.
So if anything, my grandpa wasabout that business, but I'm
fucking 17 from the suburbs.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Bro, was there anyone else in the family that was
siding with your grandpa?

Speaker 3 (46:35):
my dad, of course don't get me wrong, dude my dad
was hunting, bro.
I don't like to talk about it,but my dad was out there driving
around, strapped, going topeople's doors, shaking people
down in mice in the burbs withbroad day with a shotgun.
Where's my son at?
People like to talk shit, bro.
I want to see one personbesides 50 or something, or like

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your real-life street peoplethat deal with catching bodies.
The normal guy like any of usthat's going to get shot and
think of the first thing areyeah, we're gonna go to war now
in the, in the sub, in thesuburbs, like here, like where
the police are always around,like okay, like I just don't get

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it.
It was like the most and Inever got an answer and I don't
care.
Like even now, like the dude'sout of jail.
He's out of jail now.
I believe he got paroled onHalloween, on 2023.
And it's all love, fuck it.
Hopefully God got to the guyand showed him there's no reason
to be evil like that for noreason.

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Now, don't get me wrong, thedude came from not the best
upbringing, but I didn't knowthat until we got further into
court.
I just thought he lived withhis grandma in the same
neighborhood we all grew up in,which was a decent place, you
know what I mean.
It was not gated, but it wasn'tlike the slums I didn't know he
came from like really bad shitin the city.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
So it's like— when you got the news that he was
getting out, did you and yourfamily get like the original
anxiety that came out?

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Of course there's nothing you can do but get that
anxiety and like my friend Codywas there with me and when I got
the call, like hey, you gotparoled or whatever, and he's
like I didn't even experiencewhat you did.
But I can feel like he's like Ifeel anxious, but then he's
like don't trip, keep doing whatyou're doing and nothing you

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know, unless I stop what I'mdoing to go try to you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I'm not, and it was so long ago.
What was it like 15 years?
Ago, 16 years ago 16 years agoyou guys were kids.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I don't care how long it was, I mean, if someone shot
me three times for no reason.
I am like dude.
They have an agenda to come andget me.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
It's not like hey, 16,.
I forgive you, but do you thinkfor 16 years he's boiling ready
to come?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
out of prison to murder you.
How could you want to?
What did I do?
What did I do in the firstplace?
And how could you be to?
What did I do, Right?
What did I do in the firstplace?
And how could you be mad thatyou fucking tried and didn't
work Like I?

Speaker 1 (49:15):
don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Anyone worried about what I'm trying to do?
How did you guys get the news?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
that he got out.
They sent me a letter and I didthe, did anybody who sent you
the letter?
The state?

Speaker 3 (49:26):
So the state say anything, any precautions, any
oh, they give they, yeah, theytell you to have emergency bag
packed and code words that wouldscare me, that would.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
The state isn't giving me anxiety.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
I mean, that's kind of scary, but that's all shit
I've already been doing, like my, my, we got like if you don't
get, it sounds like you shoutout to anyone anyone that has
kids.
Dude, if your family don't gotthe code word, you better step
the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I'm talking.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Max got the code word .
The code word, bro, no oneknows it, but the people Like
I'll tell you guys off camerawhat the code word is, so you
know.
Because if you ever see mydaughter and it's scary my

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parents were really scared, mywife was super scared and I
can't, I feel horrible that likesomeone trying to do that to me
so long ago now is causing thatsame fear on my family just out
of like the presence of it's.
Like you know that's evilfeeling.
but and on all the dayshalloween I think, yeah, it was
either halloween or devil'snight.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Devil's night for hollywood purposes.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
That was the night but uh, it's really I mean do
you um?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
do you believe in the penal system that they can
rehabilitate someone at a youngage and then their adolescence
to be a good person?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
do you think the correctional facility is doing
any correcting?

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I think it maybe like 10 from 20 from the facility,
because there's people probablythat work, that do care about
shit, that try to help people,but I feel like it's the person
that's just got to be like yo,yeah, but that's like I never
served time, like I never wentto jail.
I got on probation when I was akid for like a marijuana charge

(51:17):
because before we wentrecreational it was illegal, but
uh, so I kind of like knowabout being in like the system
of probation and like like Idon't know.
It's like a mindset like you'retrapped in, like kind of like a
negative, like everything, likeyou always doubt like the
choices and you always choosethe shitty one over the right

(51:38):
choice.
So it's like you got to likeget out of that mindset to look
more positive.
I don't know.
It's like I feel like theprisoner can, or the in whatever
can restructure him, becausethere's people all the time post
about like oh, I started afelon-owned business.
Like how many years did you do?
They're like 36.
And they're like 36 years inprison.
Then they got full-time jobs.

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Like that guy obviously didsome mental building and like
broke out of thatinstitutionalized cycle.
Because could you imagine likeeven 15, 16 years in federal
prison.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah, the most help anyone ever is going to get is
when they decide to helpthemselves I love how you
brought up the wordinstitutionalized, because we
have, uh, we have uh, my mytattoo artist, billy, he was in
prison for, like you know, quitea bit and uh, he said there's
this word called gettinginstitutionalized.

(52:30):
You have to make sure thatyou're thinking every day of
what you're going to do, likeget a trade, go to school, like
he said he got his GED orsomething.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
He said his body was in prison, but his mind was
never in prison.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
That's the problem.
A lot of time, like even myfriend over there, cody man, he
knows it's all, like he's theonly person I can really be like
the spiritual me around withoutfeeling like people are like oh
, listen to, this guy, besidesmy wife and her beliefs, is not
even as strong as mine.
She'll be sometimes doubtingshit.

(53:06):
I'll be like shh, shh, did youdare talk like that in this
house?
Because it's just gonna shitwill happen.
You start testing that shit,saying them words.
You're gonna get tested by thepowers.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
man, there's powers out here no, I'm gonna get deep
with you, bro.
Let's say there's powers outhere.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
There's powers out here.
It's not a joke, dude.
I'm not trying to be one ofthem.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I hold my crystal shit at nighttime, but I felt
that Hold on, I'm going to pokeyour brain for a little bit.
Let's say, max is the man thatshot you and I got him sitting
in a chair right here.
What would be your firstquestion?
What would be the first thingyou say to this motherfucker?

Speaker 3 (53:48):
That's a great question.
I don't even know.
I don't even know if I wouldeven speak.
I might just stare at him, justlook at him.
Yeah, I don't know what,because like there's so many
feelings, like it's been so longso it's not as fresh.
But like when he got out, dude,you ask Cody and people, I was
on edge, bro.
I was ready.

(54:09):
Every day, dude, I was on edge,but I was telling myself that's
no way to be feeling.
So if Max was the person I'mnot sure I'd probably have a lot
of different emotions.
I'm not sure how.
That's a good question, becausehow would he react?
I don't know.
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Or if he was apologetic.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah, what if the first thing he said was I was
reading the Bible for 16 years?
Man, and I'm sorry, I would sayGod bless you.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I don't forgive you, though you know what I mean.
Like you had no reason to dothat shit.
I don't.
Unless the guy comes to myhouse or something, bro, I'm not
going to go.
It's not worth it.
What To prove?
What Nothing.
It was selfless and stupid backthen.
So even for me to get revengewould be fucking.
I got revenge, I live.

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I got set up.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Because you survived.
That's why he got out in 16years.
Survived.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
That's why he got out in 16 years and that's what the
judge told him.
Sorry, that's what the judgetold him.
I'm going to give you a secondchance at life, dude, just
because he survived it.
He's like because if you wouldhave killed him, I could put you
in jail for life.
Fuck your age.
He's like I do whatever I want,but I'm going to play that.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Because Ross is a warrior.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah, that's what he said I don't know if anyone can
look that shit up because I wasa minor, but I'm sure I could
get that fucking lady that typeseverything.
That's facts.
He said that shit.
But yeah, bro, I don't knowwhat I would say to him, but it
depends.
It's just like if I it's likethe energy you know what I mean.
If he gives off an energythat's not like this vibe, I

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think everyone would be likefuck you, bro.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, it'd be like You'll be able to instantly tell
if it's the same fucking demonthat shot you.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
And you know what I'm saying, bro, the I mean I don't
ever see me ever seeing them,bro, Because there's like
there's no point.
It's like your ex-girlfriend,what the fuck are you going to
go?
You know what I mean, oranything?

Speaker 1 (56:09):
It's probably good you got that out of your heart.
Your grandpa's probably stillhunting, though, oh my grandpa's
trying to break out of his cribdude.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
He's going hunting, bro.
But it's like I'm so blessedespecially to be here and like,
look like, look at Max, and likeI could have been in the same
boat, bro, dad, not in just thefact that, like, if you look at
me right now, you would nevertell that I went through that

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shit.
So it's like that kind of shit.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Just, you can definitely tell I went through
some shit.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
No for sure, and you're a huge motivation towards
me and I told you last time,when I drove home from here, I
was emotional as fuck drivinghome by myself.
Catch the right song on theradio bro, I'm over here fucking
crying.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Then we ask him for a second interview and he
immediately calls his bestfriend like Cody you gotta
fucking come with me.
I'm not gonna have that drivehome again like that.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
If I do, at least he's there.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
But no, I did that for max because he wants to meet
him and I mean we're gonna yeah, for sure it's just good vibes
and we we've all had near-deathexperiences and this table, you
know.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Hopefully ross comes out a lot more I want to be
around a a lot more.
I think it'd be a good look.
We just have to make it.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Has Max told you his full story.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
No, not yet.
I mean, we went over it onetime, but you can tell me again.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, so it's so, I don't know.
So I had a friend in themilitary who was like my best
friend, right, and he was likepitching over some girl, like a
few months before we went to,before we got in a car accident,

(57:55):
and I like said, hey, man, talkto this girl.
You know, like you know she'snice, she's from my hometown,
like she's cool, and he likefell in love with her or
whatever, right, Anyways, it's anormal day I get up, do my PT
in the military, physicaltraining, and then, you know,

(58:19):
just, we get off early becausewe have a four-day weekend and
that means like means usually Igo up to go home to Chicago and
my birthday was March 21st andthe accident was March 24th.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
How old were you turning?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
I was turning 20.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Excuse me, so you guys are both 20 and you're like
hey, I got some action for youback at home.
Come on, my birthday is March21st too.
Yeah, you guys are coma andYou're like hey, I got some
action for you back at home.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
My birthday's March 21st too yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
You guys are coma and birthday brothers.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
And survivors.
So you were on a military baseand you were getting leave for a
few days.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah, and I was like I'm going to go home see my
girlfriend, see my family, andthe first time I chose to drive
with someone is the first time Igot in this car accident, which
is which is crazy.
And you, uh, you said you had amoment where you were like, no,

(59:15):
I shouldn't drive in this area,I shouldn't drive in this area
I felt that shit, as soon as Ieven said, yes, I'll take you
Like going to pick him up.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Everything felt so off, dude, so off.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
So for me, I had a moment right before we were
driving.
We got off, we got out of baseand we got gas and I was like
you know, I can drive first, ordo you want to drive first?
And he was like I'll drivefirst.
And I was like, okay, and thenI could drive last, you know?

(59:53):
And then I was like you knowwhat?
Actually, you drive first?
No, no, I'll drive first andthen I'll drive first so I can
wake up to my hometown.
That's basically what it waslike.
So I drive halfway and we getto a gas station in Indiana,

(01:00:13):
terre Haute and then I slowlyput my seat down I'm about to
take a nap or whatever and I'mlike, hey, wake me up when we
get to Chicago, right?
And yeah, that didn't happen,buddy.
No, I woke up and I had theringing.
It's kind of like you, like Iwasn't able to like move or do

(01:00:36):
anything, but I had like theringing and I couldn't breathe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
What was the car accident like?

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
I don't know what was the car accident like?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
What kind of car accident was it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Yeah, like when you woke up, were you like so my
buddy fell asleep and I woke up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I don't know if we were upside down or if we were
like straight up, but I justkept seeing, like you know,
fluttering lights of like redand blue.
So, that was an ambulance, yeah, and I couldn't, like I was
locked in, like so you were ableto have that angel like push
you.
I didn't have that angel topush me, like I was locked in,

(01:01:18):
bro.
It was like crazy, like notbeing able to move your neck,
like just Like, just literally.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Gives me anxiety.
Bro, I think about you a lotwhen I'm like by myself at like
two in the morning and I startthinking about everything I've
been through.
I think about like bro, couldyou fucking imagine like it's
heavy dude?
You're an inspiration, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Sorry, man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
So in the midst of your accident, you're an
inspiration, bro.
Sorry man, I know I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
So in the midst of your accident, you're almost
like completely frozen, like youcan't completely, yeah, like I
can't do anything, and I'm soused to doing things myself, you
know.
And then I wake up in thehospital three days later from a
coma coma, the induced coma,right and I got there.
I was John Doe as well.
They didn't know how to like.

(01:02:09):
They knew my name, they justdidn't know my address and, like
I'm from, like Tennessee andI'm also from Illinois, and they
went to this address and it wasthe wrong address because I
didn't update my address or mylicense, which, if anybody's
watching, do that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
For insurance purposes.
Do that please?

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah for real.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
So I was in the ICU.
I stayed there for five days,which is kind of crazy being in
terrible cars.
I was in the hospital for fivedays, which is kind of crazy,
being in terrible cars.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
I was in the hospital for five days too, wow.
You guys are so fucking cutetogether.
Yeah, that's so fucking nuts.
They released me after thefifth day and I remember telling
the guy I can't go.
He's like what do you mean?
I'm like there's no way I canleave.
He goes fuck.
You mean you got to get out ofhere.
I'm like his name was Stevedude, he was really cool.
He's like no Ross, youunderstand, if you stay at the

(01:03:05):
hospital, you'll get sick.
He's like I don't care how manytimes you walk around the
fucking station and pick shit up.
He's like you have to gooutside now, get sick again, get
caught up again.
So that's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
You got to go.
Basically that's what he said.
Yeah and uh.
So I recovered right from fivedays and then I went to RIC and
I keep hearing RehabilitationInstitute of Chicago is the best
place to be if you're paralyzed, like they're the best in
spinal cord research and allthis stuff.
And I show up to this place,man, and it's just like complete

(01:03:45):
trash.
But they had the best.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
The stutter made it funny.
He said complete trash.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
They had the best therapists.
So I'm not going to lie, thetherapists were the best, but
the place looked like it wasfrom the 1970s.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
You know what?
I'll be honest man the besttaco spots and restaurants look
like that, but you know theshit's fire dude, You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
If the seats are ripped up and the paint is dried
out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
If I'm not, getting a curly like long black hair in
my past store dude.
Is it real authentic from TO orno?
That's hilarious.
Keep it going, mac.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I still got this like army mentality in me.
You know this like soldiermentality, but I'm scared man,
so I have like people sleep inthe room with me every day and
night or whatever, and then Iget to RAC and they're like they
got the best nurses andeverything right.
They do not have the bestnurses, do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
what I mean Duke.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
It's the first night.
I'm like the way I can contactsomeone.
So I'm paralyzed from the neckdown and I'm breathing through a
ventilator right and I have aneck collar, a C collar, so I
can't even look down at my necka little bit Basically like a

(01:05:05):
neck brace bit and basicallylike a neck brace, yeah a neck
brace yeah like the c-collar tokeep your shit straight, yeah
and I'm just like fuck, I can'teat, I can't drink.
I'm just like fuck my life.
And when you said, like therecovery for you after three

(01:05:26):
months getting shot is way worsethan the first five days, dude,
recovering after three monthsis like way better than
recovering after five days, dude, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
For you.
Yeah, I feel you, bro, I was.
They gave me a lot of morphineat the hospital, though that's
the thing.
I got to leave with my ownlittle morphine bag thing.
It was awesome.
I'll never be in my mom'scrossfire, bro.
In the front seat I had thelittle bag and it had like an
alarm thing on it and a tag, andI got to hit it three times a

(01:06:07):
day.
It's fucking awesome.
Awesome, bro.
But then when they take it awayfrom you because they don't
want you to get hooked on it,what like after a couple weeks
that awesome oh bro you'refeeling dude, like we're gonna
get back to you, but I feel likenot like beat, like just taking
a little breath.
Do you feeling like someone'sjust standing on your chest with
like fucking a hundred poundweight?
Yeah, but that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
You're talking about morphine.
You made me think back when youbrought up private saving,
private ryan, when you watchthose war movies and you see
people hitting those morphineshots in their thighs, and
they're just you could relate.
We we don't know what the fuckthat feels like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
You're just like yeah , instant oh, I feel so good so
good that's the only way I canlike right when you press the
button, just the first one,because it's like now you got to
think you can click that button100 times and think you're
getting something out of it, butit's timed so it's like the
first one releases a good amount.
And I never did like you know,uh, like heroin or nothing like

(01:07:01):
that.
But like you can like heroin ornothing like that, but like you
can see how people get hooked,because that's the feeling you
feel, man, instantly all yourpain's gone and you just get
like this.
There's a lady here, I can'tsay nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
But you get this like Orgasmic feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yeah, like after a like a yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Something like that, something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Like I just Be respectful.
I ain't trying to be weird, butthat's what it feels like when
the.
But then when the morphine'sgone and you get that pain and
you're looking for that Hit,there ain't nothing but you To
make you feel better.
Yeah, it's a lot of times, man,I'd be like Angry as fuck Cause
I'd be in so much pain.
No one understood why, like man, why Rossi, why are you such a

(01:07:42):
dick?
Because I'm like hurting bro,because I want my fucking
morphine.
And then they're giving youVicodins and shit.
So like I'm taking a lot ofVicodin a day and you ain't
feeling shit from the Vicodin,like right now, if I took that
amount I'd probably have anoverdose.
But when your body's in thatmuch pain, bro, because the
doctor would say, dude, are youselling these shits, I'd be like

(01:08:04):
, honestly, not all of them.
I'd be like you know what Imean.
I'd be taking most of them.
You know my friends are like yo, can I get one of those?
Yeah, no problem, bro, whatever.
But it's like don't use that,goddammit.
But you know what I mean.
And he'd be like I got to cutyou off because I don't want to

(01:08:25):
see you get addicted to opiates,because I remember when they
cut me off that shit, bro, thatwas tough.
I went through like babywithdrawals compared to what
people you know.
God bless those people thatshout out man.
That was Dr Osgood, bro, drOsgood.

(01:08:46):
That guy was the shit bro.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Yo back to Max and the neck brace.
Oh yeah, thank you Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Yeah, neck brace, I just want to like say thank you
to all the support I got,because I got like a shit ton of
support throughout thecommunity, throughout Elgin,
like anybody who mentioned myname in Elgin around this time,
like, and anybody who mentionedmy name and eligibility around
this time knew who I was, whichwas crazy.
So shout out to all the peoplethat were there, shout out to
the doctors that helped me, andshout out to the people that

(01:09:12):
were around me, especially theones that stayed on the cot at
this hospital while I'm, likeyou know, in real life.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
You're 24-7 with you, bro, like my parents were by my
side.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Yeah well, I felt like a bitch at the same time,
because I was in the militaryand I did everything by myself.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
It's so crazy.
I felt the same way, bro.
I used to tell my dad, likedamn, I'm such a pussy.
He'd be like what, what are youtalking about?
He's like what, what are youtalking about?
He's like you're strong as fuck, dude.
He's like it's only right youfeel like them, like I never
wanted to be alone.
Bro, I feel you on that heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I still don't like it , but I am like I didn't want to
be alone because like I didn'ttrust the people.
I didn't trust people, but Itrust my sister, I trust my
sister, I trust my girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
I trust, like like I don't trust this random nurse.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
It's just like this random nurse that just comes in
like hey, I'm gonna be yournurse tonight, you know.
I mean like when it's likeyou're gonna be my nurse and you
were able to move ross like Iwasn't.
So I'm sitting there likeliterally, and I can't breathe
on my own too, and they'refucking with the ventilator,

(01:10:27):
like so from the ICU I get on adifferent ventilator at RIC and
they're just like fucking withthe settings of the ventilator,
and so I'm like changing mybreathing, without even knowing
I'm changing my breathing, whichis causing like a bunch of like
you know, like heart like,which is causing like a bunch of

(01:10:48):
like stress on me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Your body's like what the fuck's going on yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
And like I always heard, like did it, did it, did
it, did it.
And I'm not like I was freakingout, like like it felt like a
nurse needed to come in, like tohelp me, like my heart rate was
up high and that's why I askedyou if the machine scared you,
because the machine scared thefuck out of me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
The wound back when it went off.
One night I got pneumonia.
That's when I seen the dudethat knew everything.
I was in my dad's bed, likethey had a huge like California
king bed and I used to sleep inthere because I could like chill
and I was getting these chestpains.
But I couldn't breathe and themachine started bing, bing, bing
, bing, 9-1-1 like emergency.
Emergency it would say 9-1-1because it was getting my heart

(01:11:32):
rate and uh, you know what Imean because it's like a little
computer.
I wore like a little like fannypack with like the vacuum and
it had like a.
I couldn't roll over on it orsound like bro fucking nuts, bro
, I'm so happy that's gone.
But yeah, that thing went off,dude, and it would scare me.
And then the night it went offwhen I had pneumonia.
It was like an alarm All theway until I got to the hospital

(01:11:54):
and the person knew the code toturn it off.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
It's so confident and it knew.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
I was fucked up.
It knew I had pneumonia.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
It was so weird.
Like a little box, like as bigas this fucking tray.
Imagine Max having like alittle minor measure of anxiety
and then he hears the anxietyand then he's like what the fuck
is that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
then he has more anxiety but on top of that I
can't move.
I can't move so and I can'tmove my neck.
So I'm just sitting there likefreaked out, like locked in like
for sure, like I first likewhat's going on Scary.
What's going on.
Like she was freaking out, butluckily I was able to, like you
know, get through it and I wasable to trust some nurses.

(01:12:33):
You know I started liketrusting the people you got to.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
You got to put your trust in the professionals.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Yeah, and then it turned out to be good.
But I would always still cry atnight, you know.
I'd be like damn, like I'mfucking paralyzed, like how much
longer is this going to go on?
Eight years later I'm stilltalking, paralyzed, but we all
know what's going to happen inthe future.
But anyways, so I get home, Iget transferred to the VA

(01:13:04):
because RIC is charging like$250,000 a month, which is
insane.
So I go to the VA and then atthe VA I met one of my good
friends, chuck, and we were likesmoking blunts on federal
property and shit.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
You have to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
My favorite saying is my friends are freaking out and
Chuck has his arm control orwhatever.
He doesn't have full functionof his hands.
We would be smoking outside,there would be a cop and he'd be
freaking out and I'd be likefuck, is he going to do?
Handcuff me?
I'm fine, I'm already fuckinghandcuffed.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
They're not going to bother you bro.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
I'm not going to go through the whole story because
I got an updated split second,the first episode of my podcast,
love Life to the Max.
The first episode is updatedafter two years and I'm super
excited to release that becauseI really went in depth with it.

(01:14:09):
But I went through a lot ofdeception, a lot of like a lot
of stress, a lot of like anger,and now it's like you know, like
I still go through thatsometimes, but it's more like
prosperity.
Now you know, and like you know, like I still go through that
sometimes, but it's more likeprosperity, you know, and like
closure and just meeting coolpeople like you, like I was able

(01:14:30):
to like message you and then Iwas like I was like dude, I got
a message, like because thewhole time I was watching an
interview on the barracks, I wasjust like this, you know what I
mean like mouth opened, didn'tsay shit.
Like mouth open, didn't say shit.
Cause, like we had a lot Incommon, like just you went
through A physical thing, I wentthrough A physical thing too.

(01:14:51):
It's just I didn't feel I feltit, cause you went through
Probably a shit ton More pain.
I mean we don't.
I'm not trying to measure.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
That I'm just saying.
I look at it as like we havelike the similar kind of
struggles obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Oh life, death.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Yeah, like we both had a comeback.
I obviously was able to walk,but it took a long time to be
able to like walk like I am.
You know what I mean and I'm so.
I ain't going to cry, I ain'tgoing to do it, but I'm so
grateful.
Dude, swear to God, but you'rehere for a reason, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
I'm grateful, too, to be alive and, to you know, be
able to spread the word aboutthe podcast and like to help
people out, because I think ofthis like therapy.
You know like we're all liketalking about, like life
experiences and what we're likegoing through, and talking about

(01:15:45):
like life experiences and whatwe're like going through, and
you know maybe this is therapyand somebody's here it is man
anyone going through anythingthat, like him, cry baby with
the shit mouth in the water.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
That's nothing, bro that's fucking nothing listen to
this shit.
But you're like like how?
You like, oh, when you had yourstory, I was like blown away.
You're fucking blowing me away,bro.
No, pause, whatever the fuckyou got to say, it's just
because it's like it takes a lotof strength to just go every

(01:16:15):
day.
You know what I mean, knowingthat you can't walk, you can't
do that shit, but you still gota good.
You can still enjoy shit andstill take in feelings and
emotions and sometimes, man,that shows you.
That's like like when I was outof my body, I wasn't in my body
, no more.
So, like you know, god forbidwhen, the day when you cross you

(01:16:36):
know what I mean You're goingto be able to feel, walking and
running again.
You feel me, cause your soul isstill getting charged while
you're alive, bro, that energyis still manifesting and you're
still doing positive shit.
You're not slugging around,you're not angry, You're
inspiring people bro.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
That's why I wanted to do like a part two, split
second, because I was angry.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
I used to be angry as fuck I can't wait to see the
difference between split secondpart one and split second part
two, even though it's the samefucking story.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
I had a hit list man, like I just called out
everybody on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Max was like you set this mic up, it's recording.
Alright, fuck that guy.
Fuck this guy, fuck that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Yeah, you stole money from me, fuck you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
For real, though, your energy, even right now, is
different from when I was lasthere.
Nice Like, even like you'rejust like.
I think you were in like alittle more pain last time, so
you were like trying to be likecool, but I could tell like you
weren't, I could tell.
But, it can't be as much as thelast time, because even like
when I'm talking to you, I canhear you a little better.

(01:17:40):
I think it's we're more relaxedIf shit will help you too,
because it helps my anxiety andmight help you in long term.
Just feel better, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Yeah, yeah, your energy is different too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
There's no, I'm way more comfortable now there's
like there's no way to describeit like every like injury, every
like um situation everybodygoes through is different.
Yeah, I'll say life.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Life is a very complicated equation For every
single individual, but everyonegoes through something, though.
Everybody goes through thisshit.
We all got highs and lows, andduring those highs and lows, all
our brains produce the samefucking chemicals.
We all still feel the samedepression and the same anger.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Everyone's doing the same shit, like we're all
feeling the same shit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
So even though, Even though we're all dealt Different
shit.
Even though we're all dealtdifferent shit.
A different raining shit storm,yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
On the dog's mouth.
We can all relate to what thefuck those feelings are.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
It's not a competition.
Maybe that's why we turn toreligion.
Some people are just likespiritual stuff.
Religion found me, though.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
That's the thing.
I was born Catholic, so Ibelieved in God, but I remember
there'd be times where I'd betrying to call out some shit,
bro, and then look what happened.
You're trying to test the faith.
I got a wake-up call a coupletimes.
The first time I'm gettingfucking shot.
Second time was the awakeningand then fucking having that

(01:19:01):
angel come into my room and knoweverybody.
Well, thanks to your story, youknow everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Well, well, thanks to your story, you know.
Now we know that there'sskateboards in heaven.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Skateboards in heaven , there's.
There's recarnation, bro,there's definitely skateboards
in heaven.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
This motherfucker was doing kickflips while he was in
his spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
I was just riding through that parking lot bro.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
And I, when I was, like you know, falling asleep
and stuff, I felt this likegravitational pull, like just
bring me back to Earth.
I don't know if you felt thesame, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
I felt the pull like taking me from Earth, not
bringing me back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Yeah, like every time .
I like almost died of septicshock two years ago.
This guy was here and he's likeyou guys told me that yeah.
He's and he's like you know, wejust got the cameras.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Yeah, dude Max is dying in the hospital and I'm
opening up packages like heain't dying.
I go to the hospital.
I'm like bro, we got thecameras at the house.
Bro, they need to be plugged in.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
You need to pull through.
Yeah, we got fucking lights.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
We got lights coming in, but that shit will give you
the motivation, though, becauseI shout out, my nurse steve back
in the day.
He would say like you don'twant to go out and get.
Like get a girl, you know.
Like it's a pussy bro.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Like get the fuck, the fuck up.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
And then he would hit you like that big bro, like
what?
Are you too big of a pussy toget up ross?

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
is like I don't want the pussy, I want that morphine
over there.
Give me that.
I want a morphine like to beable to taste food, did you like
?

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
I couldn't taste anything for months.
I tasted like straight metalfrom all the.
What about you, max?

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
I couldn't eat food for four months.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
You just had it pumping.
You just had it pumping in yourstomach.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
I couldn't drink unless there were tablespoons of
water.
I was only allowed to havetablespoons of water, so that
means the nurse has to come inand give me tablespoons of water
, which they don't have time todo because they're Come on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
that's torture bro I had to do like small portions at
first, but then it was like youhave to try to get back to
weight.
But my mom shout out to my mom,dude, she was wiping my ass and
shit.
I was 17 years old, I couldn't.
My hand you know what I meanOne hand was just doesn't even
really work anymore.
It's my right hand that I wasborn with, but my left hand was
in the cast.
So it's like what do you wantme to do?

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Shout out to my mom for coming through bro, did you
ever feel like a burden?

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Oh man, you got time, we're talking right, we're
chopping.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
You got the long drive back home.
You tell us when I just don't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
We're at an hour and 22 right now.
Oh my gosh, here we go again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
It's the best with these guys.
I got you.
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Bro, please Come on.
That's why I'm here.
There's a lot of people thatwant me to do shit with them and
I know they ain't as good asyou guys and I wouldn't even
waste my time.
But uh, yeah, like going backto the burden thing, oh yeah,
there, I remember this.
Uh, one time, like vividly, mydad went to get me some.
Uh, it was when wendy's hadlike the four for four or

(01:22:04):
whatever and they had like theselittle like dollar chicken
sandwiches, but they were reallygood.
And he went and got me like a.
You know, my dad probably madesure they made everything fresh
and when he got back I was likeso hyped you know what I mean
and like I took a bite of it andit tasted like lead and I just
put it down.
I didn't say nothing but butlike I seen, like it killed my
dad.

(01:22:24):
Like I remember he grabbed it.
He's like what do you want meto do?
Take it back?
And I'm like no, no.
And he was like getting mad.
But he wasn't getting mad at me, he was upset that like I
couldn't eat.
And then later that day, Iremember I went down and my mom
was cooking something and shehad the big pasta bowl out, but
it wasn't full yet and westarted arguing again and I

(01:22:46):
remember she just picked thefucking bowl up, bro, and just
threw it straight on the ground,shattered it, but it like
changed everyone's mood.
Everyone was just like snappedout of that shit and I was like
you know what, I'll just try thesmoothie or whatever.
And everyone just like, and mymom just acted like nothing
happened.
Dude went back to cooking,swept up the glass.

(01:23:07):
She just had to give thatsignal.
Man, like one more fuckingthing that you guys are
complaining about right now.
I'm going to kill you with theglass shards.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
It's the worst when, like thecomplaining, like in the mental
games, like that's what reallyhits you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
You know what I mean complaining like in the mental
games, like that's what reallyhits you.
You know I mean I've had somedark times do, contemplating a
lot of shit.
I did a lot of uh skateboardinghelped, you know, for good
friends I did it did some uhpsilocybin, like psychedelics
help you get through some crazyholes.
I mean it's kind of scary butit feels better.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
But it's not allowed to be psychedelic, it's okay I
don't do them any.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
I'm talking about when I was like way younger,
before kids, but it's like untilI just took control of
everything.
But I'm basically for myself,like never, like said oh, it's
because this happened.
I don't feel that.
I mean you can ask, like myfriends, but I have my days
where I'm like, fuck this, I'mdone.
They're like yeah, right, dummy, you're done with nothing.

(01:24:05):
You can see you tomorrow, yeah,just like a normal person.
But then it's like after thatday, it's like back on where
it's like you know, take it onthe chin, fuck that, let's keep
going.
It's only normal for anyone tofeel like that you can't keep
that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Well, sometimes it's good to have that release of you
have to you, have to you haveto cry it out, you have to
express it, dude, you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
You'll be like my dad when you get older.
Like, try to like cry and likehave your head turn, like that
it's like we can see you, bro,and hear you.
It's okay, you know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
So for me I felt like a huge burden of their day to
take care of me and I knowthat's like big, I know that's
like what family's there for,like you know, but when you are
like actually making your familydo this not even making, but
when you feel like you're makingyour family do this, it was
tough, man, for a while, a longtime, and there's a lot of

(01:25:07):
people out there shout out toall the people and all the
caregivers, their parents, theirlike family members, you know
and don't complain.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
You know I mean just throw a fucking bull on the
ground just every once in awhile.
But no, I feel you, dude.
I felt that like when, when mymom was wiping my ass or I
couldn't shower, bro, I wassitting.
I was so weak She'd have towash me or my dad would help me
out.
It's nothing more embarrassingthan being 18 and your parents
seeing you naked.
Even though it's nothingbecause they birthed you, it

(01:25:37):
just does something to myself-esteem.
That's what it was just like.
Fuck it, bro, because I evenlike years after bros well, it
wasn't until I really had my kid, till I my first daughter,
lenny, where I broke through the.
I was like man, none of thisshit matters.
Now it's way more bigger thanthis.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Now I'm a father.
I'm not ross capicunium, I'm afather.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
I'm a dad now and that's the one thing, dude, that
the that one, that maintenanceman, said to me.
He said god's got a specialplan for you.
He's like I don't know what itis exactly.
He's like it could be.
You know, you might be thepresident of the united states
one day.
You could just be a simply agood friend to someone.
They just like hearing yourvoice.
Or you could be like a greatdad I'm zoning in.

(01:26:21):
I'm probably destined for thedad thing.
Yeah, I like it, though I'mpretty sure now, but it's all
clear, it's all playing out andit's all like people talk about,
like, oh, manifesting.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
My parents think I'm crazy which I am Speaking of
being a father.
Have you told your childrenthis story?

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
My daughter's kind of got an idea.
She's like Dad, like that onevideo of you like on the rooftop
and you had a blue hat on.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
How did they find it?
Well, she knows Google, yeah,so they look up their name Of
course, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
That's what I hate about that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
When was the first time where, like you know, she
confronts you and says, hey,what's this video?

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
She didn't say nothing about the video, but all
right, I sense we're family.
My mom, low key, tried to tellher one day but like my mom knew
, it was like you know how whenyou do something like midway
through, you're like yeah, Ifucked up, like I'm done, I'm
done.
Take my words back quick.
She tried to tell her and thenshe like backed it up with like

(01:27:22):
it was a bad accident orsomething like so she didn't
hold your daughter at the time.
My daughter was.
That was last year, so she wasseven, seven Like I'm going to
tell her, but it's heavy dude.
I tell grown men and they breakdown Like could you imagine?
a teenage thing, yeah Cause Idon't want her to be scared, I

(01:27:48):
to be scared.
I don't want her to think it'sbecause the world's fucked.
We all know as grown ups.
But I'm trying to be like theone of the people that, like you
, were changing that, like we'vebeen through some shit, I can
be a mean motherfucker, I couldtake it on a p.
I ain't trying to do that.
God bless you.
Let's prosper.
Like I want to see you do good,fuck it, even if you're a
person that did me wrong in thepast.
Like fuck you, I don't, I don'tfuck you, but I don't want no,
I don't want no bad shit.
Go and do your thing.
So I'm waiting to tell her myother kids are too young still.

(01:28:09):
They don't fuck.
My one daughter would be likehmm really.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
What's that?
That's the perfect time.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
My son, coco, would just go like, yeah, he does this
fucking thing where he yellsman, he's like he thinks it's
communicating with me.
It's the craziest thing.
I try to do it real quick.
He's like I can't do it as loudas he does it, but it's like
piercing.
And then I look at him allfunny and he's like but that's
like my real quick, real.

(01:28:37):
When I see my kids, dude, andlike that's when I know my
purpose.
And and like my wife too,because that's all a part of it.
Like she's like my person, likeshe's been there when we don't
have nothing to, wheneverything's good, and she's
still there.
We started out, it's been along ride and then we're on our
third kid.
Fuck, was I thinking.

(01:28:57):
But you know what I meanBlessings, things.
But like when I see my, like mydaughter, she's like so smart
dude.
And when I get the notes on,like the report card, like shout
out to my daughter, lenny, alla since she started like
preschool, she's in second grade.
Like even though it's like onlymentioned elementary school,
she's still doing good.
But like to read the littlenotes, like, hi, your daughter

(01:29:17):
is like the kindest, mostbeautifulest girl.
She helps me with this.
She makes sure all the otherkids get their work done.
Like she like picks up on, likethe traits that I yeah, so who
knows?

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Hopefully the other two get that too.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
But we're all here for a reason.
That's why, like you're here,bro, even though like it's
unfortunate.
I want you one day just to popup and like, start pissing on us
and be like I can walk again.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
He said start pissing on us.
But it might not happen.
I can't wait till Max walksagain and tries peeing on me.
I'm going to slap the shit outof him real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
But even if the chance that it don't happen like
I wasn't the 1% chance for meto survive, you know happens,
but if not, you're still here toinspire a lot of people, bro.
Just the fact that you get upevery day and make sure you just
fuck, dude.
You look here we're on camera,hd cameras doing your shit, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
There is people out here with podcasts that are
jealous with the guests we bringin, bro, like they could barely
get any guests at any time.
And we're getting them.
Bitches.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
We got a schedule, motherfuckers, man I love it
that you said that, because Ididn't want to bring this up.
But when you search your nameup on YouTube, you first see
Joyner Lucas and his bullshitsong, and then you see the
barracks interview, but then yousee Life to the.
Max podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
Three's my favorite number.
Anyway, I got shot three times.
Three, two, one our birthday Igot three kids Running.
Three, three baby three.
That's a good number.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
It's amazing and we get comments and people are just
super happy you're doing okay.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Speaking of our YouTube, tell the motherfuckers
to subscribe, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Yeah, subscribe to his channel, man.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Go ahead, tell them right now Bump up the fucking
subscribers.
This is Life to the Max Podcast.
You can search us on allplatforms when it comes to
streaming platforms, and we havea YouTube channel Called Life
to the Max Podcast.
Please like, comment andsubscribe.
Please comment, we love readingyour feedback.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Hit that bell, get the notifications on your phone
Good comments or bad comments.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
It's all fucking let it happen, you know, yeah, it's
entertaining this was RossCapicchione.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
He was back for part two.
It was great.
I had a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Thanks for having me guys.
Oh yeah, Now take your ass backto Michigan.
Yeah, Thanks for having me guys.
Oh yeah, Now take your ass backto Michigan, Take some water
with you, we'll be there.
This guy is silly over here,dude.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
After we get off the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Call me a crybaby.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
If Eric gets suplexed to this table, no one get mad.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Then I'll have a story to tell, I'll have a
near-death experience too.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Yeah, besides some dog shit on someone's lip no man
too.
Yeah, besides some dog shit onsomeone's lip no man, it's all
love.
I appreciate being here.
This is like a podcast, like Iwant to be.
I like being on it.
I'm not a really big being onthe fucking public shit.
Like I like to be, like I wanteveryone to know.
I'm thankful for everyone thatsupports like my shit and like

(01:32:20):
is always like showing love.
And then, to the people thatdon't like it, it's like well,
I'm sorry, dude, I'm not tryingto like do anything that, I'm
just doing my shit.
Man, this is what I'm doing,this is what I'm destined to do.
This all happens organically.
You hit me up.
I drove out to you guys.
There's no other like oh, Ineed a driver to come get me.

(01:32:41):
If, if something comes up, Ihit you guys up.
You're like, yeah, what up?
Dude, you want some lunch, youneed some gas, whatever.
And that's how it should be,especially if I say, hey, I want
to do an interview with youguys.
Will you come to Michigan?
I'm going to be like yeah, getyour own gas.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Fuck, you do your own thing.
Some people act like that.
It's like omar tier.
He has tagged us and like allof his shit ever since.
Like I asked him, I was like,hey, man, do you think would you
mind tagging us?
And like I'll buy you some spsevery now and then and like some
real shit.
I'm just on a social media.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Like I can edit videos and I do my business,
shit.
But even for my homies theyprobably say why doesn't he
share it?
It's like, dude, I don't eventhink about it, I'm just oh, I
like it.
I got my 10 minutes to scrollthrough.
Then something pops up but no,dude, that's sick that you're
hooking up people that support.
That's what I try to do.
When I created my business, Ididn't want to like make a

(01:33:44):
business where, if I hired myfriends, it wasn't like I hired
them to like just work for me toslave.
It's like we're buildingsomething where, like, we can
fall back on it and like collectmoney from it.
Like life's like not all aboutmoney.
I've been dirt poor.
I'm not rich right now, butit's like to have a good setup

(01:34:06):
for you, like for me.
It's not about me.
I fuck the money for me.
It's for my kids.
I want my kids set up so theyhave a little leg up.
I have a good life.
Obviously, we all grew up withgood lives.
We're fortunate.
I want to give my kids just alittle extra.

(01:34:28):
Not saying like because myparents were great parents shout
out to my parents.
They're awesome, they made me.
But I'm just in another lanewhere I'm like trying to like
here, lenny me and these guysdid podcast 20 years ago and now
here you go, you got my littlefucking share of it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
You know what I mean we were just talking about this
yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
I was like bro, if we died?

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
like the people got like over 60 hours to listen to
us like we're gonna live andthat's like if you got a long
more time to fucking create alot of more shit.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
That's what I'm saying then, like when the fan
like you know, one day you mighthave some kids you know what I
mean and shit might getdifferent for you or you
something happens to you andit's like fuck, fuck it doing
for us now.
Now we're gonna do it for thefuture.
So it lives on, so this life tothe max keeps going with
someone.
Oh yeah, it doesn't just stop.
Oh yeah, and you own it.

(01:35:09):
It's not like you know, it'slike I try to tell.
Like my number one supporter ismy buddy Cody.
He works for me and he getspaid from his skateboarding so
he technically doesn't have tolike do cement work.
But he's told me countlesstimes I'll help you for free, I
want you to get these jobs done.
You have kids.
I support that.
I'll work for you for free.
Like technically I still ownsome money for a job I just

(01:35:31):
haven't got.
I haven't got paid from thepeople yet.
So it's like and he knows that,like what, what am I gonna do?
Take from his daughter'sfucking big piggy bank?
You know and he knows and he'sbeen there when he's like yo,
can you pay me for the day?
You know I don't have muchmoney right now, it's like no
problem.
So it's like I feel like that'show you guys are.

(01:35:51):
It's like no matter what, justask, I got you, even if it
sounds crazy.
Or it's like not like you feellike a bum or whatever, because
a lot of our friends in ourcircle do have a.
They have like a problem withthat shit.
They like care about too muchof like dude.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Yesterday you were tripping about like money or
something and eric was obviouslydude, just son of a fucking
like like we didn't even talkabout it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
We just reacted the same at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Well, that's what I said, because I like transferred
like out of my like.
You know it's wintertime, I'mnot doing cement work, so I had
to transfer money from, like, myretirement.
It takes a couple days.
So it's like when I woke upyesterday and it didn't hit yet,
I'm like, damn dude, it takeslike $400 in gas to get there
and back, plus the tolls.
I I'm like what the hell am Igoing to do?

(01:36:40):
You know so, thankfully youguys helped me out to get me
here.
I appreciate it.
This time First time it wasgood, it was warmer out.
I was like yo, I'll be there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
You know what this episode is about storytelling.
It's about camaraderie, it'sabout teamwork, it's about
brotherhood, it's about support.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
It's all about support.
You got to be there there forthe people that care about you.
Bro, that's what I learned too.
Like with the work like I'm I'mnot making hundreds of millions
where I can be like, hey, I'llpay you salary to not do shit
just because I gotta spend money.
Like give everyone a crazytitle.
Like you're director ofoperations, john, and he doesn't
know nothing about concrete,but I gotta pay that 200 grand a

(01:37:20):
year out.
But cody's like the only onethat, like I, gave the shot to a
couple people and the pay isfair for, especially like what
the amount of work they do.
Like and it's and it's alwaysdifferent.
Like the more they help, themore I offer.
But like, out of like four ofour friends, he's the only one
that still hits me up and sayslike, hey, dude, like I'll work

(01:37:41):
with you, dude, even if, like, Idon't even down the road.
Like, if I don't want to skateanymore, I like working with you
.
I like, even if we do somethingelse, like when we get together
, it's the vibe, it's like ourskate mentality, it's like the
hustle, but it doesn't matter ifit's like.
That's another thing about someof our friends.
It's like it's only got to beskateboard related.
Fuck that.
Sometimes it don't work.

(01:38:01):
He's the only one that's aprofessional skateboarder.
I'm not anymore.
Let's mix the powers andsomething else.
You know what I mean and youshould see he.
I'm not going to be good atconcrete dude.
I'm not strong, bro.
This motherfucker can work, bro.
This guy's a strong, goodworker.

(01:38:21):
I wouldn't have been able to do.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
He's Max Cousin, oh for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
No, for sure you got two mixers behind him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
They're over there sharpening some blades Put the
way.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
No, but it doesn't even matter.
If it was concrete, it could bea different job.
It could be fucking helping meclean up fucking garbage off the
side of the road.
If it was something I was doingand I needed help, he's there
and that's why I will look outfor him in life, even if it's

(01:38:53):
not even concrete related.
Something happens with thepodcast.
I make a fucking movie, I makea hit fucking mixtape.
Whatever, it's like the peoplethat were there because he's
always offered me to like shoutout to him.
Dude, I meant to say this.
Like when I had to pay him forthe job, he said you can pay me
whenever and, on top of that, ifyou need any money, let me know

(01:39:13):
like wow dude like look at me,I owe you money and you're
offering me to give me moremoney coming from a long time.
We're like we fucking befighting over who's putting five
on the pizza.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Yeah, man, those are thefriends that we need to keep
close, you know the drill.
Look at your motherfuckingcamera.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Say your name this one.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Yeah and say you're living life to the max For sure,
and leave a message to thepeople, if you want.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
For For sure.
Hey, this is Ross Capicchioneand I'm living life to the max.
Shout out, max and Eric, justbe positive every day.
Be thankful for what you got.
Don't be thinking about whatyou don't have.
That shit will keep you fuckingbackwards, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
There we go.
There we go.
Man we were recording for solong.
His face was lit in thebeginning of the episode.
The sun went down and now we'rein the dark.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
But that's okay, that's all right.
We've been recording for liketwo hours, an hour and 41
minutes.
Runner baby.

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