Double Ontendre: Mic in Hand, Game in Mind

Imagine navigating life's ups and downs with the wisdom and artistry of Dre, also known as Double Ontendre. With a nod to his unique style that resonates with Bob Marley, Dre shares intimate stories of his upbringing, moving frequently as a child, and finding solace with his aunt and uncle. His candid reflections on his parents' struggles offer a poignant backdrop to his artistic journey and the significant impact his moves had on his music. 

From his first rap about oil spills in fifth grade to seriously pursuing music at 21, Dre's creative evolution is nothing short of inspiring. We explore his artistic growth, the ease that technology brings to capturing inspiration, and the power of collaboration with talented producers like Murfee. The supportive dynamics within creative communities come alive through these narratives, painting a picture of what it takes to hone one's craft amidst the challenges of maintaining artistic freedom. Dre’s story highlights not just the triumphs but also the tribulations of his journey, offering a relatable roadmap for fellow artists.

In a heartfelt exploration of emotional depth, Dre discusses how heartbreak breathes authenticity into his songwriting. Projects like "Double Vision" and "Out of Love" reveal the transformative power of personal experiences. As Dre anticipates his eighth project, "Donations," the conversation touches on the balance of self-image, motivation, and the shared humanity that music fosters. We also delve into strategies for independent artists, including the importance of frequent releases and forming strong support networks. With reflections on overcoming fear and finding confidence, the episode celebrates perseverance, unity, and the inspiring journey of an artist committed to making a meaningful impact.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I dogs, we're just trying to get by.
Just a couple of puns alltrying to get by.
Just a couple of teens alltrying to survive.
Live to the max, because youdon't live it twice.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
A couple green thumbs all heights welcome back to
another episode of life, to the.
I know what all you guys werethinking right now.
They're like oh, he's got astye in his eye.
That's why he's wearingsunglasses.

(00:50):
No, wear these designersunglasses because I want to
look cool, not because there's astye in my eye.
But today we got my buddy Dre.
He goes by Double Entendre.
What upre he's got a fewprojects out.
He's fucking amazing.

(01:10):
Uh, artists, um, in my opinion,and a lot of other people's
opinions too, and uh, I'm justuh excited to finally uh get you
on the pod man man Appreciateyou, man, man, I've been great
dude.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, yup, yup man.
Overall, I think man fantasticOn the up and up, you know what
I mean.
Sometimes you got your daysometimes, but overall, no, I'm
feeling great.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
So I was listening to Liquid Love the other day.
That's your best album in myopinion yeah, 100%.
And I was listening to get backup again classic.
Yeah, I was listening to thatbecause I was like I feel like
in a different world, like thiswas.
This song was made for me in away.

(01:58):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:59):
facts, definitely in this world, in the other man,
wherever that shit wasdefinitely made for you yeah and
like, like, when you say, amen,I'm just happy I can pay rent
like this.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Those are the little things in life you know.
I mean, yeah, you're nottalking about like big booty
bitches on you or anythingyou're like you're talking about
like the littlest necessitiesin life.
That like make a person like,that makes a person better, you
know yeah, yeah, shit thateveryone is definitely going

(02:34):
through.
Yeah, it has to so um do a lotof people like say you look like
rob marley and all the time,bro.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah, some kids told me, asked me the other day there
was a big like mural of bobmarley on the wall.
You know, like.
Is that, is that you, or isthat your?
Uncle, I don't know what thefuck is.
That is that your family orbrothers of the yeah what's it
like to like have like dreadsand stuff like the maidens oh
man, it's pretty simple actually, like these are free-form locks

(03:04):
, so I kind of just let them dotheir own thing and it's pretty
easy.
Actually.
It's dope, yeah, I get likepieces falling off sometimes,
but like other than that, it'spretty chill.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I mean they look sick as fuck man I appreciate it.
Yeah, so we've been friends fora while now.
You were on one of my firstepisodes, episode three.
Friends for a while now, youyou were on one of my first
episodes, episode three episodethree.
What's wrong with the world?
Check it out.
It's only on audios.
So check it out on your uhlistings with audios like
spotify and apple music.

(03:36):
But uh, what's wrong with theworld?
You were on episode three andnow we're at like 73 which is
crazy.
That's ridiculous actually yeahI'm pretty sure I was on 33 also
, or 34 maybe yeah, you, yeah,you were, but uh, the cameras
weren't up yet oh yeah, so theaudio's fire though yeah so, but

(04:00):
I like it like people can seeyou now.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, this is fresh Ice to the max going up, yeah
man.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
So let's like do a fresh interview.
So I'm kind of excited to likeget to know you on a more like
personal level and like yourlife, because I never really
asked questions about that.
So, first off, where did yougrow up?

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Like where did you man?
Like where did you man?
I moved around like a lot as akid, like when I was really
young, like I lived in, likewhen I was a baby.
I lived in puerto rico for ayear.
Um, I was born in hinsdalehospital but uh, I lived in like
a bolingbrook, like romeoville,aurora, growing up.
But I even lived in Minnesotaat one point, in St Paul, but
when I was seven I moved fromMinnesota to Elburn, so I grew

(04:54):
up in Elburn.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Wait, so you moved from St Paul.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
St Paul Minnesota to Elburn.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Elburn is so small, why there?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Man dude, uh, uh, because my aunt and uncle live
there.
Okay, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
So did it feel good to finally like put like a
flagpole like down, like saylike this is where I'm living?

Speaker 4 (05:18):
um, man, it was a lot going on in my life as a child
so, um, it was nice for sure tobe established somewhere, but I,
even at that point I didn'tknow if that was gonna be
permanent because, uh, my, myparents were like involved in
like a lot of street shit likeor like drugs and stuff growing

(05:38):
up.
So, um, I ended up moving withmy aunt and uncle when I was
seven years old, because myparents had a lot going on.
So I didn't know what was goingon actually at one point so I
didn't know if I was going tostay there for forever or what.
But, yes, that was when I wasseven.
And then, when I was 10, I wantto say so I moved to Elburn

(06:03):
before my third grade yearstarted.
My first first day of schoolactually, it was on my birthday
in third grade, august 26.
And then, uh, when I was insixth grade, my mom and dad kind
of got their shit together alittle bit.
Um, so it was cool.
So we moved to St Charlesactually.
So we moved to St Charlesactually.

(06:24):
So we moved to St Charles.
Big shout out to my aunt anduncle because they just took
good care of me, oh yeah, but wemoved to St Charles when I was
in sixth grade and I went toThompson Middle School, but low
key, that didn't even last awhole year and then my parents
fell back into the street shitand the drugs and stuff.
So I'm just going to put it outthere.
My so, um, like I'm just gonnago out there.

(06:49):
Like my dad, he was in and outof jail like my whole life type
type shit.
And then my mom was likeaddicted to drugs for a while,
for a long time.
So I ended up going back with myaunt and uncle before sixth
grade it was even over went backto my aunt and uncle and then I
um, so I was at the end ofsixth grade and then I finished
off middle school and then Iwent through high school out
there too, in elburn shout outto caneland, caneland high
school.
That's where I went to highschool and uh, yeah and freaking
, um, but by the time I was asophomore in high school, my mom

(07:13):
like finally really got hershit together and uh, she gave
up the drugs and shit andhonestly, today is actually her
16th year sober.
like today is her anniversary,so shout out to my mom yeah man
she, she definitely overcame alot of shit and, uh, my niece
was born.
Um, it's almost my niece'sbirthday on december 15th and

(07:36):
that was like a big thing tohelp her get her shit together.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
So shout out to my niece bella was it uh hard like
growing up like that in yourupbringing.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
You know like yeah, for sure it was.
Uh, it was a.
Yeah, it was a lot of likenights, freaking hell yeah,
crying myself to sleep like justnot knowing, like where my
parents were, I guess.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
But it was hard to understand as a kid, but I think
ultimately, that's what I wasgoing to ask, Like were you
confused a little bit Like whatwas going on?

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah, for sure, A little bit.
But you know, I started tocatch on and it became more
obvious and like it was like youcan't hide type of shit, you
can't hide from your kids, howdo you think that affected your
upbringing?
I feel like everything happensfor a reason, so I don't want to
say it's done, but positive atthe end of the day it helped me,

(08:30):
it affected me positively.
It probably was definitelytraumatic and stuff a little bit
and, um, it made me like justmiss my parents and like just
want to grow closer to them.
So like at the end of the dayit was cool and I mean I feel
like my relationship with myparents now is real, real dope
and real tight, like and my momare really close that's good.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, well, congratulations to your mom on
sobriety.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
That's hard to do yeah, right, man appreciate it,
thank you.
Shout out to mom was good.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
My soul was bobby yeah, shout out to your uncle on
the internet.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah for real.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's really cool that they took you in.
I don't know a lot of peoplethat do that.
I'm not around that.
I kind of had a similarchildhood when I was seven years
old and it changed when I gotinto fifth grade.

(09:28):
So I kind of understand whatyou're saying, but yours was
more extreme for sure.
So when you were a kid, whatwas your favorite thing to do?

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Man playing outside?
For sure, playing outside.
My aunt and uncle had a dopetrampoline kicking it outside.
They had like a nice beautifulyard and stuff.
So playing outside we used tolike make bow and arrows out of
like sticks and shit and string.
That's just fun.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Wait what?

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, we used to like run around and like make bow
and arrows out of sticks andlike strings and like just find
fun stuff to do around the houseoutside, run around yeah that's
cool, but also out in Elburn,bro.
There's like nothing to do, soyou get in a lot of shit.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Absolute boonies out in Elburn.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, my sister lives in Elburn, so I know what
you're talking about.
I actually moved in with herfor a little bit, right on Main
Street when at.
Like right on Main Street,where?
Like right on main street,right like downtown?

Speaker 4 (10:26):
yeah, by the reams no , yeah, my reams, yeah, like in
the apartments up there yeahbecause, like dude, when I was
in a sophomore year and my momgot us together, we got an
apartment above the uber anddental, right next to the train
tracks, so it was like on theopposite side of the tracks.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
But have you ever been to reams?

Speaker 4 (10:44):
oh yeah, I grew up going to that place that place
is so good bro it's so good.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
They know they're good because they close at four
pm that's me marketing it aroundstraight up.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Their beef jerky is amazing coming up.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
I used to eat that and their beer sticks so when,
uh when you were growing up, whowere your role models?

Speaker 4 (11:07):
I guess, man, when I was growing up my uncle got me
super into sports and shit, sohe put me in basketball and
football and stuff.
So I liked like, uh, duane wadewas dope, I didn't.
I feel like I didn't have likecrazy amount of role models, I
feel like until until I was likemaybe got more so in like high
school and like get inspired bylike some of my favorite artists

(11:28):
, even before I decided like tostart rapping and shit.
Like getting inspired by like jcole what made you start
rapping?

Speaker 3 (11:36):
what gave you the inspiration to start just like
making your own music instead ofjust appreciating others music?

Speaker 4 (11:41):
man, um, just like freestyling, my friends, it was
getting high, getting high, likejust in star writing actually
I'm gonna specifically onescenario like it think it was
420 and me and my homie, keithand my brother we walked to like
the highest point elburn it was.
That it's like a hill downtown,across from this community
center, is a church and at thetop of the hill up there is the

(12:02):
highest point In Elburn.
We walked up there and thenwe're smoking, just getting high
as hell, and then my boy KeithJust starts rapping, like just
starts roasting me, like rapbattling me.
I'm like what the fuck?
And I was just, it was so funnyI couldn't even write back, but
I was just Dying laughing.
And then we'd always Just Afterthat.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So you say, you freestyle, freestyle.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
You want to freestyle , I'm going to freestyle my life
to the max right now.
I bet it's like shut up Max,dolce and Gabbana on my face.
Only facts I don't rock theproduct, I don't waste no time.
I got to keep it moving and Istay super inclined to spit a
couple rhymes and I stay on theclimb.
I'm moving and I'm grooving.

(12:45):
Shout out to my dudes we vibingwith some humans, different
hues of light, raise the energyand I doze it right.
Oh, stay no enemies, becauseit's peaceful life.
I just gotta be what I gotta be.
Shout out to my peeps evbchilling right behind the camera
.
Uh, decently, I'm trying tofloat panoramas painting it.
Hey, what, nah, shit he said myname max.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
He said my name.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
That could have been better, but yo, yo, that was not
great.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I should have been beatboxing my bad.
Yeah shit, how long have youbeen doing that?

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Man, since I was like 16, probably.
Actually, I wrote my first rapwhen I was in fifth grade,
actually.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
What was it about?

Speaker 4 (13:20):
It was about oil spills.
It was like a school projectabout oil spills yeah, it was
like we had to do something ifuh for the class and uh, yeah,
writing a song was the option.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
So that is, it wasn't that with the bpo oil spills
2011, it was 2011 evie oh, oh,sorry or 2010.
Damn, it was 420.
It was 420.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
What.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Dude, the BP oil spill was 420.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Oh really.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, Jesus.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
What's that called?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Another fucking bad day for 420.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Hitler's birthday BP oil spill.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Thanks a lot BP.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
All right, let's get.
Want BP at Williamsville.
Thanks a lot, bp.
All right, let's get back toyou, bro.
So when did you finally get theconfidence to start writing
your own music?

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Man back when I lived in Elbrun it was probably in
high school, for sure.
Well, I decided when I was 16that I wanted to take this shit
seriously.
So that's when I startedwriting and stuff and like
crafting my my pen and stuff.
And I remember I think thefirst rhyme I ever got through
uh, it was over a dom kennedybeat.
I wish I could remember therhyme I had written down

(14:42):
somewhere before my old phones.
But, um, that that beat I I'velike finally fucking created
like a whole rhyme.
So I was like I show my friendsand then I just kept writing
from there.
But like it took like for likethe first five years from since.
I decided when I was 16 tostart rapping.
I was like mostly just likesharpening my pen, I guess by

(15:03):
myself, and and just freestylinglike a motherfucker,
freestyling like crazy.
But I didn't actually put outany music until I was 21.
Wow I think I was 21.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
So you were 16 and it took until you were 21 to put
out music.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
My first piece of music I put out in 2017.
So how the fuck old was I?
That was seven years ago, Ithink.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, seven years ago .

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Seven, almost eight, yeah, so yeah, that's why I put
my first.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
So you've been doing this since high school,
basically, yeah, and, of course,your project about oil spills.
Yep, yep, yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
I forgot about that.
Yup, fifth grade, can I forget?
That shaped me for sure.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
So can you explain the progression of how making
music is like easier now than itwas before?

Speaker 4 (15:56):
I feel like at this point I just don't force
anything and I just try to justlet it flow through me like a
vessel for sure.
And uh, I feel like you can rapabout anything or like, as long
as you pick a topic, you can goin about anything.
But I guess a lot of timesyou're just trying to rap about
and like write about how you'refeeling, but if you get
inspiration from something, thenyou're off to the races, like

(16:18):
it's just like let that shitflow.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
What about the technology?
Is it easier than Is it?
Is it easier now than before?

Speaker 4 (16:33):
I was never afraid to grab the pen and pad and write
on paper.
I had so many rhymes written onpaper.
But just being able to whip outyour phone I guess in public,
if you get an idea, if you don'thave any paper on you, that
makes it much easier.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Are you making your own beats or are you collabing
with other people to make theproject?

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I'm collabing with other people nice, but I want to
start actually this winter.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Start locking in like , make some beats well, now that
we're talking about makingbeats, I mean like, uh, I just
had murphy on the podcast andhe's uh, he's a, he's a real
good, he's a real good kid,young, very young, and he's
producing like some pretty highskill, like type music so, even

(17:19):
more so since last time you'veseen him probably because him
moving out to wisconsin he'sjust like sharpening and shit
and he's definitely he sent mesome dope, dope ass stuff that
he's been working on.
He's just getting better andbetter what made you like uh,
put him under your wing.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Man dude.
When I first met him it was atthe West Chicago Social Club and
I'm like, yeah, I just see, Iwas there to support, see my
other homies.
But then I see Young Murphy goon stage and he had a nice
little crowd of his friends inthe building.
I was like, okay, damn, let mesee what this kid's got.
And he and he had some somefresh ass shit and I was just
like is, it was like beautifulto see young cat just doing his

(17:59):
thing.
I was like, damn, this is dope,he's got his people right there
with him.
And uh, it was raw and likejust the fact that he was
self-producing all of his shitand he wrote his own shit and
like he had like a certain likelittle swag to him.
So I was in and uh, he had thisone song.
It was like some some latinshit and he knows what I'm
talking about.

(18:19):
Like yeah it's fire.
I was like all right, I fuckwith this kid, I fuck with it.
And in my he got the co-signfrom my homies jose and effron,
who are right there artcision,they go by november.
Media now.
Uh, but they were like tellingme about him and I think they
were already talking to him, soI was like checking him out and
shit he's a.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
He's a super smart kid, because not a lot of people
know he has like a tbi andstuff you know.
So like they wouldn't, theywouldn't think that this guy's
like cooking up like straight,like gas, like beats you know
like he's producing hard like,so he looks up to you very, very
highly bro yeah he does likewhen we were talking about you.

(19:03):
Uh, he was like man, if I gosomewhere, dre's coming with me
thanks bro, so that's my dogshout out to Murphy big shout
out to Murphy.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
What up kid, he's good yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I think I asked Murphy the same question do you
think that the scene in Chicagois like supportive of other
artists trying to make it up?

Speaker 4 (19:26):
um, man in a sense, but I guess not always.
No, I some, some, some.
Yeah, there's pockets of peoplethat support, like groups of
homies I guess I don't want tocall them cliques or whatever,
but like people support theirgang and their people, like
their group of friends, and theywant to see them make it.
I'd say, for the most part, man.

(19:47):
It does seem like reallycompetitive, though, and like
and not everyone it can be likecrabs in a bucket type of shit,
I want to talk about you openingfor waka flaka yeah that must
have been insane that was dope.
Shout out waka means it don'tpass individually we'll talk
about that, oh sorry that jumpedthe gun.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, I got excited.
Yeah, that's pretty.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
That's pretty sick though.
So when you're uh writing, isit like therapeutic to you?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
yeah, bro, yep, if I this, there's been times,
especially, where I'm just likeI don't even know what the fuck
is going on here and I can't.
I don't even know what I'mfeeling, just like.
So I'm just, I just gotta dosomething, I just gotta write
and like.
Some of my most beautiful shitis coming from that do you have
you ever like?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
you broke down, started crying while you were
writing?

Speaker 4 (20:34):
not necessarily, I don't think so.
I mean maybe evoked likecertain emotions, like I feel
like like a big feeling I getwhen I'm like I'm in the zone of
shit and I'm just like.
It's just like damn, I lovethis shit so much.
It's like holy shit, this justmakes me so happy.
It's like overwhelming, likejoy.
I love this shit so much.
It's like holy shit, this shitmakes me so happy.
It's like overwhelming, likejoy yeah.
So to the point where I'm likedamn, I could damn near cry

(20:58):
right now, for sure.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Right.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
But also if I was like painting something super
emotional, like maybe about mylove life or something, for
instance.
I don't think it's ever broughtme like to tears but Does it
come from joy or heartbreak,Like have?
you ever been heartbroken?
Yeah, for sure both.
I feel like that's the beautyof it, is like you can just

(21:23):
express any emotions with yourpen and like you don't even got
to be writing it.
You can just like just talkthat shit out to the mic,
whatever, freestyle whatever,just talk that shit out to the
mic, whatever, freestyle,whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
So I know that you back then I don't know if you do
now but I know you made a lotof music over about your ex yeah
, and your music's fire.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Thank you bro.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
It really is.
So shout out to her for beinglike inspiration to you oh, big
thanks, bro.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Motivation, definitely, definitely, yeah, um
, cassandra, bro, she's a hugeinspiration for me.
I feel like a lot of my greatshit has been inspired by a
woman I was just wondering, like, like was the heart?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
did the heartbreak like make your like your music
and your craft better?

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah, I'd say so.
I feel like there was a bigpoint in my career where I'm
like man, I feel like I was justdoing my thing, this and that.
And then there was a pointwhere I'm like I felt a pull in
myself because there was a lotgoing on with the heartbreak
shit and I'm like I.
It was a part of me that didn'twant to tell the truth and like

(22:36):
I felt like I was lying in myown relationship.
So I haven't put that in thesongs.
I'm like some of my older shit,like on my album, like double
vision, like one of my songs outof love, for instance it's just
like I felt like so torn insideor like materialized.
I felt like so, so like, like, Ifelt like I was lying to my
relationship.
So I'm like lying to myself andI'm I can't even like express

(22:58):
myself fully and even when I'mright, right in the shit,
because this shit that I'mhiding from, from whoever, if
you're lying to anybody, you'rereally just lying to yourself,
and especially when it comes toyour significant other.
Because how can you be full oflike, faith and love if you're
like hiding a part of yourselfor like say you've done
something that you regretted,Like I'm not going to lie, Like

(23:21):
I cheated on Cassandra a bunchof times and not like I ever
intended to be a cheater, but itwas always to the point where I
had to tell her because Icouldn't hold a lie, and it got
to the point where I wouldeither be writing about it
whether it's one way or another,like the truth has got to come
out.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
So it was like, yeah, well, I mean like she's
probably doing good, you'redoing good yeah yeah and uh,
you're making really good music,man, which which comes back to
this question, so you have likeseven projects out now, right, I
got an eighth one in the cut.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
I, I yeah, I really want to drop it at the end of
this month.
It's a lot going on, but uh, Igotta just make the decision and
pull the plug what's uh, what'sit called?
It's called donations donationswith an A in it.
Donations with an A.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Oh, with an A yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
It's just to represent my eighth project and
us being in the year of theeight oh.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
That's why I feel like I got to drop it before the
year's over.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Do you have how many songs?
I'm going for 15.
At least 14.
I was going like could've beenlike 17, 18.
I'm like trying to narrow itdown, make sure it's all
cohesive and stuff.
So I got like fucking hellasongs in the cut.
Bro, I got at least 30, 40songs in the cut.
I just gotta just startdropping shit what keeps you
motivated?
man just being the greatest thatI could be for sure, being the

(24:52):
greatest that I I could possiblybe, seeing myself where I want
to be, and like having that fireto like to perform at a level
that I really want to be at,like you got to see yourself
there and you putting yourselfthere is going to give you the
energy to actually act upon thatand like like it's all about

(25:12):
your self-image.
I feel like Trying to maintaina high self-image and like if I
really see myself where I wantto be and like if I see myself
as like the greatest that Icould be, then I got to have
certain expectations for myselfand like be able to maintain
that fire and just like fuckingand at the end of the day, it's

(25:34):
just like I just love doing it,so it's like fuck.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
When I look at you and you're like just staring and
you're like talking.
I feel like you're like likejust staring and you're like
talking.
I feel like you're like lookinginto the future.
Do you know what I mean?
yeah bro, like I, right rightnow, I get that.
So that's what I was thinking Ihad.
I was like he's like lookinginto the future.
He's like looking five yearsahead right now.

(25:59):
Like he's like I want to be thegreatest, I want to be good at
my craft, I want to get better.
Like that's what motivates meexactly bro.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
It's like a pull, it's pulling yeah, yeah, it was
all.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
That was a surreal moment, dang.
So when you're writing and youfind you you're like, do this
hot, like when you're writingyour music, what does it feel
like to perform it on stage to,like you know, like 500 people?

Speaker 4 (26:30):
Man, it's, it's fucking exciting as hell, bro.
I want to say, like they say,exciting excitement and
nervousness is like the samefeeling that people say that.
So it's like.
It's like.
It's like if you're going Ilearned that a long time ago
because, like, you could be so,like, so nervous to get on stage
.
I'm like, oh shit, swambo islike, and then you could fucking
make yourself sick or something, like you, like you can psych

(26:52):
yourself out big time.
But you, when you get the ideathat being excited and nervous
is the same uh feeling, it'sjust how you interpret it.
It then it helps you like shiftyour attitude and your
mentality to be like, no, I'mready, I'm locked in.
I'm like I'm about to give itto these people, like they need
to hear this.
I'm about to resonate withthese people hard, hit them in

(27:12):
the heart like do you see it, doyou?

Speaker 2 (27:16):
do you see the people like rocking with you when you,
when you're playing your stuff?

Speaker 4 (27:20):
like, if I can, I can .
I want to connect with everyperson in the crowd, like
directly with their hearts totheir heart, heart to heart with
everybody, and like kind oflike we're all one heart, like
it's just like because, nomatter where you go on the stage
, you could be facing away fromthe crowd and not looking at
anyone.
But if you're spitting it right, if you're like, if you're
coming from your heart and havethat intention to hit everybody

(27:42):
else in their hearts, you couldbe looking at the crowd or not,
you could be like laying down,it doesn't even matter at that
point.
But when you're moving aroundand like you're in it and like
the energy is right, it's justlike you're flowing, you're
feeling so good, it's just likeyou want to uplift people.
You want to.
I'm sending like praise topeople.
I'm trying to inspire you asmuch as you inspire me right now

(28:03):
, just to go crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
So you can't just be stiff on the stage.
You have to do some good crowdcontrol, you have to feel the
crowd.
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure you got to use your
intuition, Feel it out.
You got to be relaxed.
I feel like you want to stayrelaxed as possible.
Be chill, because when you'rerelaxed, you can like, do
whatever the fuck you want.
You can run around, jump, jumpup and down you can, freaking,
be chill.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
So throughout the years, like with your projects,
did you see like your fan basegrow more.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Uh, yeah, man, I had some random ladies at jewel
today.
She, she's like she's like.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
She's like, dang.
I saw you perform recently.
I've been bumping this song.
It was it's dope as fuck.
But how does that feel?
How does that feel, man?
Like knowing like someone comesup to you.
It's like I really like yourmusic and like you don't know.
You don't even know who theyare it's cool, it's it's.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
It makes me feel like your shit's paying off, like
it's you're not just doing itfor nothing, which, at the end
of the day, you're doing theshit to serve humanity and like
give as much as like it's likeselfish, like I just want to
write for myself and like but ifI like didn't give it to
humanity, or like if I wasn'twriting to uplift the next
person, if I'm just like tryingto like hype myself up or

(29:19):
something, it's like it's not,it's not as fulfilling.
But if I'm trying to like hype,hype you up, that's gonna hype
me up at the end of the dayanyway.
So I was like, and I want tomake you feel something, I want
to resonate with something.
I want to, yeah, connect at theend of the day, connection with
people and yeah, I feel like myfan base, like I've connected

(29:39):
with a lot more people, which ismore and more over the years.
Uh, there was like my oldinstagram had got hacked at like
2300 followers or something,but uh, I mean I'm building my
shit back up slowly right now,but I guess.
But I mean I could be moving atlight speed if I really wanted,
if I was like posting every day,which I should be like I feel
like I should be getting my shitout on the daily to as many

(30:01):
people as possible, for sure,but I guess sometimes even I
mean you mentioned.
You mentioned it's hard to likedo social media it can be if, if
you're not in the rightmentality to do it, yeah, then
it's just like it is hard it,but I mean, it's just how you're
thinking about it at the end ofthe day, and that just goes for
anything do you think it'sbetter to release like long form

(30:25):
albums, or do you think thatlike single by single is kind of
the way that the music industryis moving?
uh, man, I feel like sing itdepends.
I feel like, especially forartists like me, as an
independent artist, we shouldjust be putting out as much
music as possible, especiallyeven on a weekly basis, single
by single, and then maybe hitthem with a project.
But like, uh, sometimes it justgets overwhelming, especially

(30:47):
when you don't got like a solidteam around you.
You can be like holding on toso much music and like you could
like should have been puttingout music, but you're just
holding it.
You might be waiting on likesome cover art that you got to
get done or something.
So if you have someonededicated to your cover arts,
you can start cranking them out.
But I've been doing a lot ofresearch on it too.

(31:07):
Week by week, really just buildmomentum each week.
If you're putting out goodmusic every single week, what
fan is not going to like that?
But then I feel like I'vealways been the type of person
that loves projects and listento a project front to back
because it's like a wholeexperience.
So I like to put out projects,but I feel like the more music

(31:27):
the better, whether you'rereleasing it week by week or
releasing a project every fewmonths, or you can release a
project once a month.
Like papoose he's a, he's adope artist.
He fucking for a whole yearstraight.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
He released a project every month like currency bro,
he's got so much fuckingprojects do you think you would
get more like I don't know likenotoriety, more attention, more
attention if you uh releasedlike a song every week, rather
than like having a project?

Speaker 4 (31:58):
um, yeah, I feel like at the end of the day, if
you're releasing a song a week,that's a good way to build
momentum.
But even at this point it comesdown to even marketing.
Like if you're, if you wouldjust drop a song a week and then
just like don't tell anybodyabout it, then you can't really
expect it to do too much, unlessit's like really really fire

(32:19):
and the word of mouth is crazy.
But if you like say you drop asong a week, you're going gonna
want to be promoting it for one,to build it up and then drop
the next one.
You'd be leading into the nextone.
Then you build a fucking bigass, avalanche, snowball effect
and keep going.
Um, but if I was like justputting out a song a week and
like not really promoting themas I should, then it seems lazy.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Is that what you're trying to say?

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, it is lazy, and it's like it's lazy and it's
like, at that point, if you'regoing to be doing a song a week,
I feel like you want to makesure you're promoting them
heavily, because you want thesong to get the recognition it
deserves.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Right.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Especially, you put your heart in that shit and you
want people to hear your music.
At the end of the day, ifyou're putting on music you want
to, it's for them, it's for you, it's therapeutic for you to
get out but like you got to giveit to the world at the end of
the day so so we, uh, wementioned earlier that you
opened up for walk of fog, offlame.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, that's pretty, that's pretty awesome.
Man, that's a big name.
How was that?

Speaker 4 (33:25):
it was dope, it was cool.
The piazza is a great venuelike big ass stage um what's the
capacity of that venue?

Speaker 3 (33:32):
do you know?

Speaker 4 (33:33):
man, at least a thousand like probably more than
a thousand were you the onlyopener.
No, there was a handful otherones, but I was like two people
before waka yeah oh shit, yeah,did you meet his sign language
interpreter?

Speaker 3 (33:46):
no, I didn't see one because, because his sign
language interpreters are thestar of the show.
I'm bad.
They get so into it literallyit's crazy.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
I love seeing that shit.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I wish I didn't have one you've never seen that max
what they can do yeah, they likethey, they dude.
I gotta felt I gotta pull up avideo hold on.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
They're like rapping with their hands I gotta see
this.
We're pulling up a video thosesign language interpreters are
nutty like ridiculously awesome.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
I love that shit how did you get that show, jay?

Speaker 4 (34:17):
okay.
So, um, I know the promoter ofthe venue, um, bobby, afterlife
he hooks me up.
Uh, he actually actually, um,first time I met him was back in
the day probably like 2019 Ithink or some shit, or 2018,
when I opened up for jaw rule,which fucking, uh, eric helped
me get that show.
Yeah, eric and cassandra, bro,they helped me get that shit.

(34:39):
But, uh, bobby was a promoterthere, but he's the current
promoter of the Piazza and thetown in Aurora.
They're both in Aurora, but man, bobby hooked me up with a
bunch of, like a few shows sincethat job.
The Waka was the latest one,but then we did Bone
Thugs-N-Harmony, like a couplemonths ago in September, and
then Cottonmouth Kings inJanuary you did Bone

(35:03):
Thugs-N-Harmony.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah that one was bigger than the walker show, bro
.
Well, yeah, that shit was crazy.
Can you, uh, do you think youcan rap every like lyric that,
um, one of the one of the bonethugs?
Like bone thugs is so hard tolike, like you know, like like
to like listen to the rap andlike try to.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
I know, right, like you hear what they're saying
like, yeah, the whole time, yeahit's like now have you seen
this?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
he, he walk the clock , doesn't realize that it's,
it's, that it's sign language.
He thinks she's, she's goingcrazy oh snap and he gets down.
He goes down with her yo, yohe's raw so he's like let's go.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Oh my god, that's so funny, they really do get into
it.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
He's dope man, he hypes up everybody.
Did you end?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
up meeting him, or was it kind of just like a
bypass thing?

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Briefly, I was able to give him a sticker while he
was in his car through thewindow, so I didn't get to talk
to him.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Well, I mean it's cool, you got to open up for him
yeah yeah, and bone thugs broyou're doing the right thing,
man yeah, I've opened up forlike a lot decent amount of
people.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Dude, I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna start naming some
more like bone thugs, waka,flaka, dave, east.
Uh, the whalers, the originalwhalers, like bob marley and the
whales obviously recipes bymarley, but it was only one of
the original members was stilllike alive, but he was there.
Al anderson, yeah.
So the whalers fucking uh token, ja, rule g herbo uh, open up

(36:55):
for you open up for g or well?
Yeah, like two or three timesone, two did you change the name
?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
it's like a little herb now nah, still g herbo.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
I just saw him the other day.
Excellent.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I know it's Lil' Herbo.
I just saw G Herbo.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Wait, you just saw him the other day.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, he performed the other day.
I didn't like talk to him, butoh, I thought you were like.
We kicked it the other day.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I'm like, wait what I know, right?
Nah, we should be.
That's how I want to be talking.
Yeah, it says G Erbo's old namewas Lil Er.
He made a song called Fuck man.
This song was so good.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Really.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
It was like kill shit , Kill shit.
You know that song Kill Shit.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Man probably.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Maybe honestly, I don't know I'm not going to, I
can't play it because of, youknow, copyright, copyright, yeah
, copyright, yeah.
So what do you recommend toyoung artists out there that are
struggling?

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Man, study as much as you can understand, like the
gaming shit.
Like uh, man, get yourpaperwork right.
And like knowing that, uh, thisshit is a business and like
you're an artist, like the butthis is at the end of straight,
at the end of the day, it is abusiness.
Like the music industry is likea fucking business.
So understanding that and likegaining knowledge and like what
it means to be an independentartist versus like the music
industry is like a fuckingbusiness, so understanding that

(38:24):
and like gaining knowledge, andlike what it means to be an
independent artist versus likethe science will label, and like
understanding record labels.
And like contracts and shit andlike no, no, like how to
negotiate contracts for whenthey come, and like uh, not just
being like so readily, justready to sign shit right not and
like signing your life away.
Like just like gaining leverageand knowing.

(38:45):
Like knowing that you have allthe power as an independent
artist.
Like if you put all your line,all your shit up in order.
And like you capitalize on yoursocial media.
Like there's no reason why weshouldn't be making.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Like being able to easily support our dreams and
shit I was telling uh, murphy,like these guys want him to wear
his clothes and like they'reonly paying him like 50 bucks a
show or whatever and I'm likedude, fuck that.
You know your worth, know yourworth okay you know, that's what
I told him I was like next timeyou say 150 and they say fuck

(39:21):
it and say thanks for the freeclothes.
I'm not wearing it yeah do youknow your worth?
for sure yeah you know, and whenyou said like uh, being an
independent artist and signingto a record label, like what's
the difference?

Speaker 4 (39:37):
man.
So a record label can,depending on the context they
have and shit, they can do a lotfor you and shit.
But uh, they might want tolimit your creative freedom for
some reason.
They might want to uh put youon a certain release schedule,
or they might you might not haveas much creative freedom as you
want, or, but they might havethe like, the contacts and

(39:57):
connections, but at the end ofthe day, they might be robbing
you of like hella money, likeeven though they're putting your
shit out there, they're makingso much more money than you a
lot of time, even though you'rethe one with the like, the art,
like you're the vital key to thefucking puzzle.
Like they can't they can't evenexist without you, like their
record labels.
You are the main piece of thepuzzle, but a lot of artists get
fucked over in in their recorddeals.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
The agents always fuck over the artists, right,
because they're like hey, likewe're gonna sign you for like
five million dollars.
I made it right.
Okay, I made it.
Now you're, you're signed forfive million dollars at
universal.
But now they say, hey, youcan't rap about this and you
can't rap about that, or youcan't write about this, right, I
mean?

Speaker 3 (40:40):
you also got to pay all the back because, in advance
.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
We'll be like, yeah, we'll give you five million for
this, but you have to pay it allback before you can make any
money exactly they'll be likewe'll, we're taking, like, of
all the total revenue coming in,we're going to split it like,
hypothetically, six, uh, 70, 30or whatever, just hypothetically
they might get 70 and you get30, and then they're gonna take

(41:04):
from that five million.
They're gonna take it from your30 and then give you the rest
really yeah, wow, I did not knowthat.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
I thought they just like gave you the money oh no,
yeah, you gotta pay that backbecause they got like chains and
stuff.
Do you think that?
Uh, do you think the agenciesare like like giving them the
chains um it probably.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Sometimes yeah, it depends a lot of artists will
get their advance and they'llblow it on a chain or like a car
or some shit and then the it'snot really doing anything from
where they could have bought,like, built a studio, bought a
crib and built a studio in ityeah because?
Then, because if the recordlabel was paying for studio time
, you got to pay that back too.
They're paying for video shoots, you, you're paying for that

(41:46):
shit so you're paying for thevideo.
It's not the right, not therecord label pretty sure, yeah,
so most of the time like a lotof time let's make this like
like short and sweet.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
But uh, drake has ovo right, but he but he signed a
universal correct um, somethinglike that.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
He's talking about going, yeah, independent right
now, or some shit, and nothaving a label because they own
you and they own a lot of theclauses would be like they'll
own your intellectual propertyyeah, yeah, if they own your
masters, that's fucked, bro,because you made that art and
that's just yours.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
It should be yours, like, at the end of the day.
I mean you, you want that.
That's your intellectualproperty.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Do you think that labels are like becoming
obsolete with the rise of socialmedia?
Do you think that, like the,the pros outweigh the cons, or
vice versa?

Speaker 4 (42:33):
I'm like going through that struggle right now,
like so hard, like debatinglike what I even want to sign to
a label if they're not like forone.
If they're, if you know, ifthey don't know your true worth,
like you gotta know your worthand like see where it's all
ultimately, where you seeyourself, and like because, yeah
, with social media, if you knowwhat the fuck you're doing, you
could be making 100k, like waymore money in your own pocket

(42:55):
and you're not having to dealwith any middleman labels and
you can fucking move, travel, dowhatever fuck you want, release
music on your own schedule.
If you know what you're doingand, like you have a loyal fan
base, then yeah, you reallydon't need a record label.
You are the record.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You start your own rec label if you uh search like
a one-hit wonder that signedyour record label and lost all
his money.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
There's actually a few.
During the rise of Eminem therewas a couple other white
rappers that signed to labelsand they just held on to other
music and they never released itbecause they didn't want to
compete with Eminem.
I'll have to look that up.
I forget his name.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
No, no, I'm talking about like now, like the
SoundCloud rappers, like search,search like a One Hit Wonder
SoundCloud rapper and like see,like, if they, if like they,
just like, literally like it wasa One Hit Wonder and they lost
all their money because, islandboy, no, I'm sorry all right,
I'm thinking like lil xan orsome shit what's the other one?

(43:59):
like little pop, is he stillgood?
Man, I don't even fucking knowbro I just I'm just like kind of
curious now, like to like howbad they take advantage of you
man, they can really takeadvantage.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Not saying all regular labels do take advantage
of you, like or not like you, Ifeel like regular labels can be
super beneficial uh, especiallyif you're guys are going to a
partnership, like for sure, likeI feel like at the end of the
day, they shouldn't be trying toown your masters and uh well,
because then you just become awork for hire, like they're just
gonna hire you to record themusic and then they pay you a

(44:35):
lump sum.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
So they get all this profit, but you just get paid.
You know whatever here we'regoing to give you.
You know 500K and we made youknow $7 million on your record,
but you only made you know yeah,Exactly, that does happen a lot
.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Did NWA go through that?
Yeah, something.
Nwa go through that?
Yeah, something like that.
They uh were getting fucked bythe label, they were getting
fucked by the manager, and thenIce Cube went uh independent,
right and then Dr Dre branchedoff yeah, then Dr Dre branched
off.
I was just wondering, like,cause like for all like the

(45:10):
listeners out there that are,like, aspiring to be artists,
like don't fall victim to theserecord labels.
Make sure you do your research.
Make sure you pay the money fora lawyer to like look over your
stuff.
Make sure it's a good lawyertoo, because we want to make
sure you're doing good and thatyou, like can actually, you know

(45:32):
, persevere and make a livingoff of what you're doing.
Just like Dre, you know, likelike we don't, we don't know all
the boilerplate like paperworkthat's going on record labels.
Just make sure you do yourhomework.
That's what I would say.
100% definitely.

(45:54):
So we have a friend.
We have a friend, eric, and hesaid he's been in writer's block
since like 2020.
So how do you think you get outof writer's block?

Speaker 4 (46:05):
either step away for a second and get some
inspiration, or you, freaking,start writing and you, freaking,
just go, just write, writewhatever.
Fuck.
I don't care you might writethe shittiest 16 of your go,
just write.
Write whatever.
I don't care you might writethe shittiest 16 of your life,
but just write something.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
But what if, like that writing like even if you're
in writer's block and you startwriting and it's shitty, it
makes you feel worse, do youthink?

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Sometimes it might think.
You might think you get realself-conscious at first.
In the beginning You're likelike damn, this is shitty, this
is trash, whatever.
Like like first couple bars,but you gotta just, you might
just won't have to see where itgoes.
You might just be a littleself-conscious, who knows like.
But I feel like if you get over, like there's a, there's a

(46:50):
famous saying.
It says if you want the energy,do the thing.
Okay, just do it like it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Like you say, just do it do you, um, do you see
yourself branching out todifferent genres of music?
Like you know, post-war, likethis went from rap to uh country
and uh shibuzee I think he wasthe only country but like, do
you see yourself like going fromlike rap to like a rap, like to

(47:19):
like a hip-hop country or tolike a hip-hop reggae?
Uh?

Speaker 4 (47:25):
man?
Yeah for sure I wouldn't wantto limit myself um, creatively
in any way, but I feel likehip-hop is just like the root of
all the shit that I do.
So I mean as an mc, I mean Iknow I'm a versatile as an
artist and uh, I've, I've rhymedover plenty of like rock, like
rock, like bands I mean costarica is like yeah, that's too

(47:47):
exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
That's like a spanish song, kind of yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
I would drop a whole project like that, or like a
whole.
Like what's on some reggae shit.
I would drop a whole projectlike that, or like a whole.
Like what's on some reggae shit.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I would drop a project like that yeah, so
you're an artist, you're not arapper.
Yeah, no, I'm an MC, you're notan MC.
I'm an artist and an MC.
What does MC stand for?

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Rap is something you do.
Hip hop is something you liveLike.
Hip hop rap is just an like, um, like, mc, like, what is the mc
?
You?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
said, yeah, what does it stand for?
Um master of ceremonies, Iguess.
But uh, damn, you got it right.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
I thought I was music creator uh, nah yeah, so yes
yeah, master of ceremonies, butin in that and like true hip-hop
, you spell it like E-M-C-E-Eyeah.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
MC.
Otherwise it's a Catholic thing.
Yeah, really.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Yeah, yeah, I don't even know.
It was like cause, like anyonecould be an MC, like hosting,
hosting a show.
It's like that's technicallylike the MC.
They call that someone who's soyou might not even be making
music or like rapping oranything, but it's like ryan
seacrest.
He's like the mc of likefucking new year's rockin eve

(49:02):
type shit, exactly, exactly,exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
So yeah, so like so I'm like the mc of, like
podcasting.
I'm just kidding, yeah, damn it.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, you're the mc of life to the max podcast.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
We'll give you that one facts, facts exactly what
was uh the proudest moment inyour life the proudest moment in
my life.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
I know that's a tough question, like I not even not
even like of the music, likejust in general anything in
general, the proudest moment inyour life, bro.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
He's really thinking man.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
I mean I feel like I've done like I've.
I felt proud about a lot ofthings I guess, like opening up
for different artists, this andthat, getting to places, I guess
, um, when having my music beingrecognized, that was definitely
in like being perceived, andlike accepting like people, like
really being like damn, no oneon my hard work paid off and

(50:00):
shit, that and that actuallyhave honed my skills to be a
solid, like a great artist.
I feel like that.
That makes me proud for sure.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
When did you feel that the first time?

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Man, I want to say like probably like 2019 or
something, like just gettingsome real recognition and be
like actually man, honestly, iteven might even go back to
further than that and like mereally just writing my first
rhyme and like showing my homiesand they're being like yo, that
shit is dope, and like gettinglike that recognition and like
seeing like damn, I can do thisand I knew, like I knew I could

(50:35):
and I fucking I'm doing it areyou ever nervous to show people
your music?
yeah, for sure.
That's why it took me so longto put my music out, because I
was like I was.
It was times where I'm like Ijust want to freestyle so bad
right now in front of thesepeople, but I fucking I didn't
because I was scared, or I waslike I was scared of myself out
there.
I remember specifically, uh, meand Cassandra and like went to

(50:57):
this house party one time in thebackyard and like actually like
me is like we're on the way tothe party and it was me,
cassandra and like three of herfriends like cruising to the
party and like some shit, I justwanted to freestyle so bad that
like a beat came out orsomething.
I'm like I man, I wanted tofreestyle so bad and then I
fucking did it and I was likefuck, missed opportunity.

(51:19):
And then we get to this partyin the backyard there's these
two dudes rapping and shit andthey're like going back and
forth freestyle and I'm like Iwanted so bad just to hop in
that bitch and I fucking did it.
And I remember going back hometo cassandra's crib actually
that night and just like she'spassed out and I'm just like
laying there, like thinking tomyself like I was like legit,
like pissed at myself and I'mlike I will not let that shit

(51:42):
happen again.
Like that was like one of themoments where I'm like it was
like a defining moment, becauseit's like so, are you going to
take this shit seriously or not?
Like bro, like what, are you soscared to put yourself out
there?
For it's like you gotta be, yougotta jump off the ledge if you
want to fly.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
But and now you're performing in venues with like a
thousand plus people.
Yeah, how does that feel?
I think you jumped off thatcliff man, exactly, we sure did.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
We jumped, we jumped, baby, we're flying, we're
flying.
Sometimes it gets a littleturbulent and like it's some
rough winds and shit, but yougot to, man, you got to exactly.
You got to keep flying, likeand realize that, damn, you are
flying.
And you got to have faith inyourself, always Like.

(52:32):
Sometimes, yeah, I get I'm notgoing media sometimes like
because I want to be on socialmedia, like just inspiring
people, like I know that I can,and like I'm like why the fuck
not?
And like.
But sometimes, yeah, I guess Ijust get in my own insecurity
and shit and like, but it's likegaining confidence in yourself.
You've got to have faith inyourself.
You've got to be able to seeyourself where you want to be

(52:53):
and like you got to.
You got to do this shit forsomebody.
You got to think of someonebeside yourself and like, think
of who you can help and likerealize that you could help
somebody get over something.
Maybe they need to.
Just you need to be inspired byjust go inspire somebody else
that might help you get over thehump.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I mean, dude, I might help you get over the hump.
I mean, dude, I.
I learned a lot throughout thisinterview.
I learned that you know, yourchildhood wasn't so great, but
you made it great, like you know.
Luckily, you had good peoplearound you.
You didn't fall into the samecategory as your parents, and
now your parents are like doinga lot better now, right yeah

(53:33):
like thanks.
So shout out to your mom yeah,it's a 16 year anniversary.
You know, yep, yep and uh, welearned a lot about the music
industry, you know, and uh, thispodcast is about, you know,
facing adversity and uh,persevering.
You know and I say that everyepisode because for me it's the

(53:56):
same thing like, I have to facelike life every single day, like
, and all I can do is move myneck, but I got dolce gabbana
yeah, motherfuckers, and that'sa fresh ass hat you got on.
Yeah, I got a double entendrehat.
You can get that on Shopify.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Yeah, Shopify.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Shopify you can get that.
Go and support this dude man.
I recommend listening to LiquidLove.
Get back up again FreakingCosta Rica.
All those songs are great,great, like classic, classic
songs.
And we got donations coming outhopefully soon, right.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Yeah, yep, yep, man, december 27th, fuck it.
No, we gotta do it.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
We gotta do it Straight up.
It's gonna be out in two weeks,bro.
It's gonna be out in two weeks,bro.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
it's gonna be out in two weeks it's gonna be out in
two weeks, alright, december27th donations look for that
shit.
Be ready, be ready, let's goyeah exactly, dude.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
It was good to talk to you.
I love that we still are goodfriends.
I can FaceTime you.
You'll answer you know,hopefully, hopefully, when
you're famous as hell and I'mstill, like you know, trying to
get up there, like you stillanswer the call oh, fuck it, bro
.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Come on, I'll be coming back on the podcast we're
talking about once you get upthere, bro.
I'll be back if I get famous.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I'm taking you and murphy with me.
If you get famous, you do whatyou gotta do.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
No, you definitely coming, bro, I'm calling your
ass.
Nah, we making it happen,whatever we gotta do bro.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
We're all making it, so when can they find you, man,
I'll look into that camera rightthere.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Man bro, so I go by Double Entendre.
That's Double Entendre, that'show you spell it O-N-T-E-N-D-R-E
.
You can find me on allplatforms.
Go check out my website.
It's doubleentendrecom,doubleentendrecom.
And yeah, man, just vibe outwith my music.
I hope it inspires you To be abetter version of yourself.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
To live life to the max.
Amen, live life to the max,follow your dreams.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Are you living life to the max?
Amen, live life to the max.
Follow your dreams.
Are you living life to the max,do you?

Speaker 4 (56:15):
think, every day getting better and better,
better and better yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
And for everybody watching.
If you like this episode, like,comment and subscribe.
We have a YouTube channel.
It's on Life to the Max Podcastand I enjoy reading every
comment, whether it is mean orit is nice.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
I prefer the nice ones.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I prefer the nice ones.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Spread love, not hate .
Encouragement.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I'm loving the notoriety we're getting on the
YouTube channel.
So again, that's life to themax.
Podcast subscribe, like goahead and follow drake.
His music's amazing and I'mparalyzed from the neck down
breathing through a machine.
But that doesn't stop me fromfollowing my dreams and doing

(57:10):
what I love to do.
I don't got any excuse, neitheryou.
I'll see you guys in the nextone.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
I'm ready to burst.
No gun in my pants, been on thesearch, my money to splurge,
put some in your purse.
Gonna run up the bands, take onthe search and I'm headed to
church.
No, can't go to sleep whilethey on the stands.
I'm here to serve humanity andGod, using the words he handed
me to job and the purpose of mylife is to help the family
globally.

(57:46):
And it seems odd to causecalamity, but hopefully
destruction of falsehood andreality is beneficial.
I and reality is beneficial.
I see solutions instead ofissues.
Revolutionists to use the toolsof love instead of pistols.
That dude could use a hug andprobably use a set of tissues in
the club, popping bottles whilethose people drop missiles.
Hella, complicated, kinda hardto see.
Solutions, steady, concentrated.
All the people sees illusions,mega populated.

(58:07):
All it seems to be is confusion.
Acting like we're not related.
All we need to be some humans.
The people have all of thepower because we equal,
deceitful, the powers that be.
That feed the evils is lethal,but knowledge itself would be
the key.
So it's vital for survival.
We just need to keep itpeaceful.