From Inmate to Advocate: Lucky Chucky's Story of Redemption & Reform | 60 Days In

Join us as we delve into the remarkable journey of Lucky Chucky, a former inmate turned influential advocate for change. Growing up in the challenging streets of Chicago, Chucky faced numerous adversities that culminated in his life of crime and subsequent incarcerations. He shares firsthand accounts of his experiences while participating in the reality show "60 Days In," shedding light on the harsh realities of the prison system and advocating for the humane treatment of inmates. Through his powerful testimony, listeners gain insight into the complexities of gang culture, addiction, and the systemic issues that plague many communities. 

Chucky's commitment to help others find their own path to redemption shines through as he discusses his work with various organizations. He highlights the critical role of mentorship and community support in reducing recidivism and helping former inmates reintegrate into society. By sharing his message, Chucky inspires those who struggle with their past to take steps toward a brighter future. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation filled with hope, resilience, and the unwavering belief that change is possible. Don’t forget to subscribe, share, and leave a review to help amplify Chucky’s inspiring message!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm out, I kick it with my dogs.
We just trying to get by.
Just a couple of puns alltrying to get by.
Just a couple of teens alltrying to survive.
Live to the max, cause youdon't live it twice.
Couple green thumbs all heights, okay.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Welcome back everybody to Life, to the Max
Podcast.
You are watching and you arelistening to Life to the Max.
I'm your host.
Oh, by the way, I was about tosay if you hear a beeping, you
didn't hear it.
It's my vent, though, but I'myour host with the most Max
Gross.
And today I got Lucky Chucky,my known from TikTok, by

(01:06):
following him.
He was on a hit Amy show called60 Days In, and I was on Lucky
Chucky yeah, how you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Max, thanks for having me on.
Yeah, I do a lot of greatthings on and off social media.
You know it's hard when peopleask me what I do for a living,
right for work, because I hearit all the time get a real'm
like hey, I'm too busy to workfor somebody else because I'm
too busy running my own business.
Right, because that's what thisis.
I've turned social media intomy own business because three
years ago I was standing infront of a CNC mill and I made

(01:38):
my first viral video advocatingjobs to felons.
And since then I've just takenit to another level, from TV to
so many other things I domarketing and promoting.
So when people ask what I do,I'm just saying I'm an
entrepreneur, I'm an influencer.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, so when uh, let's just like uh, go back from
the beginning.
Okay, so where did you grow up?
You grew up in Chicago, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, you know I grew up in, you know, a poor
household.
You know I grew up in a poorhousehold.
You know my parents didn't havemuch growing up.
My dad was in and out of jail alot of times they were
separated.
You know my mom used to send meto the store with food stamps
and a note to get her cigarettes.
We had gum and cheese and foodstamps.
The Salvation Army gave me abike for Christmas and by the
time it got warm it got stolen.

(02:23):
Christmas, and by the time itgot warm it got stolen.
So you know, growing up on thesouth side of Chicago, a little
bit on the north side, a littlebit here and there, a little bit
in the suburbs, the stream,where we spent some time out
there and just growing up, I hadit kind of rough.
You know.
We always didn't have much.
So when I was young I found abetter way to get money, you
know, and unfortunately that wascriminal acts.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Explain criminal acts .
What would you say?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, you know as a young kid, you know you go from
stealing hood ornaments andhubcaps to eventually upgrading
the ceiling rims and soundsystems, to eventually stealing
the car.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Have you ever stole a car?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
I mean, hey, we used to take cars for joy rides, Just
get to point A to point B.
You know what I mean?
I was already 14 years old,driving better than most adults.
So yeah, we used to take a lotof cars.
It was like the real GrandTheft Auto.
Sometimes we just did itbecause we had to get to point A
to point B, but a lot of timeswith cars you use them for
different things too.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Right.
So when you were growing up onthe South Side, um, did you have
any issues with our race?
Like uh, because, uh, it'spredominantly african-american
in the south side of chicago.
Well, um, you being there likeuh, was there any problems with
race?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
you know, what's interesting about chicago is
even going back to the earlydays.
My family came here in the late1800s, right.
So the same neighborhoods onthe south side of chicago.
They used to be Irish, theyused to be Italian, and then
they kind of gentrified right,as you say, into
African-American communities,latino communities, and there's
many communities in the southside of Chicago that still have
a lot of Italian people, german,polish, every ethnicity, and

(04:00):
then there's some that arepredominantly African-American.
So the south side is spread upamongst different ethnicities
and it's always been like that.
But as far as the problems, asfar as the color of my skin, I
never really had those problemsbecause the neighborhood where I
was from had a unique blend ofdifferent ethnicities in it.
So growing up I had friendsthat were mostly Latino and
mostly African-American.

(04:20):
I had a few Caucasian friends,but yeah, I just it was normal
to me, like we didn't reallylook at color, we more so looked
at the conduct of yourcharacter.
And that's how it is in Chicagowith the gangs and
organizations.
There's a lot that arepredominantly a particular color
, but it's welcome to prettymuch all ethnicities.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
What year did you grow up in your adolescence?
It was like the 80s.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, you know, I was born in 79.
So yeah, unfortunately I didn'tget much education.
By the time I was already 12,13 years old, I was already
catching cases and going to theAudi home and unfortunately it
just made me worse, in my way ofthinking, because especially in
the early 90s, late 80s, thepolice didn't really care, like
the stop and frisk thing.
They could just pull up on youanytime and search you and take

(05:07):
whatever you want.
They didn't have no excuses,they didn't have body cams.
So we didn't have much respectfor the police already.
But then I start catching casesand getting locked up in the
Cook County Juvenile JusticeDetention Center.
In the early 90s we called itGladiator School.
It was a the gladiators goes awar zone.
I seen.
I seen a friend of mine get getunalived in there, got his head

(05:28):
smashed open during a riot,what we call the deck going up.
But even the police in there,the correction officers.
This is what made me worsebecause when I was in there they
would do a lot of one-on-onefights, right, they'd be
gambling.
So it's like a nightly thing.
You know the guards.
They call you out.
If you have somebody to callout, they get you in the
bathroom, they close the partialdoor and they gamble on you.
They yeah, oh yeah, I was sevenand one.

(05:50):
I didn't take no shit.
They call me and I'm like, hey,I'm coming because if you, if
somebody's calling you out orthey're trying to get you a
fight and you say no, you'regonna be a target.
You know what I mean?
They're gonna fuck with youmore.
Wow, yeah.
So it made me worse, becausethe same people that were
supposed to be in charge of mysecurity and watching over me
they're putting me at risk andthese were supposed to be the
same people watching me.
So when I got out of there, myrespect for authority, figures,

(06:12):
whatever less I had when I wentin there was out the window and,
in a sense, humanity, becauseat a young age, like unaliving
them with no remorse, it kind ofinstills that in your brain too
, like it's a dog-eat-dog world.
I'm going to make sure I don'tget ate.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, yeah, I did not expect that.
To be honest with you, there'sa lot of things that happen by
closed doors of jails.
How many times have you been tojail?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
You know, I don't know as far as what jail or
prison, because there's adifference.
You know what I mean, and itwas as a juvenile.
I did a lot of time and in 17,I went to prison for the first
time.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
There was no probation offered to me what was
prison like for the first time?

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Shit to me.
Going to prison in 97 for thefirst time.
It was like a family reunion.
You know what I time it waslike a family reunion.
I'm seeing friends of mine,acquaintances, family members
that I ain't seen in years.
Hey, come on in.
As soon as I got in the jointespecially back in the day,
because they were on count assoon as I went to the joint I
was embraced.
I had a care package waitingfor me.
You know what I mean.
I had food waiting for me andthen my homies put me up on game

(07:19):
because I was skinny.
I really didn't work out.
So what did I do as soon as Igot to a joint?
Start hitting that iron.
They taught me how to hit thatiron.
They taught me how to bid andthey made me go to school and
get my GED.
And I got my GED by 18.
And by 19, I was already like abeast, because that's all I was
doing was working out andtaking care of myself.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
What person was it?

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I've been to many, many joints, but that particular
time was Shawnee, shawnee andyeah, back in the day it was
rough.
I was there again in 2017.
And see, that's the thing aboutprison.
The joints got taken back overby the correctional officers
years ago.
They don't even allow smokingthere anymore.
So back in the day, when I usedto go, the convicts ran the

(08:01):
joints, the guards just workedthere.
But now the inmates just livethere and the guards run it.
They do because there's toomany repercussions now you know.
So the joints ain't nothinglike how they used to be.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
How old were you when you first went to juvenile?

Speaker 3 (08:15):
About 12 years old for the first time.
Yeah, I already been shot atdown 13 years old too, for
selling drugs outside on thewrong corner a couple of blocks
down.
You know they don't like whenyou do that, but you got to earn
your six points.
You know.
That's why they say when youget involved with an
organization, a lot of peopledon't know there's a lot of
requirements that go into thatand that was one of the

(08:35):
requirements.
I had to go stand in theircorner for a couple hours and
sling some crack cocaine.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
At 12 years old.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah, yeah, well, 13.
I was shot so I'm not 13, butyeah, it gets early.
You got kids out.
You got kids on the south sideand the west side of chicago
right now today, selling crack,cocaine or heroin that are 9, 10
, 11 years old.
If they directly handed to you,they're running the packs or
they're doing something.
It starts off at a very earlyage, unfortunately, because it's

(09:03):
a lucrative forms of income inmany neighborhoods all over
Chicago.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
How does that come about?
Like they want to make money,or do you think the people like,
insinuate, like hey, likeyou're going to work for us.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
No, I mean many organizations, many street gangs
.
They have what's called blacksin neighborhoods and on those
particular neighborhoods.
One of the means to supportthat organization is through
drugs and dispensing.
Drugs can be dispensedprimarily, especially right
there in the neighborhood,especially back in the day.
A lot of times it's throughphone calls.
You know people now, but theystill have corner guys, guys on

(09:41):
the corner selling dope Rightthere.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
When I was watching your 60 Days In, I noticed that
you had a bonkie during your 23hours and one hour of going out.
You guys also called itorganizations.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I call it.
I don't like calling it a gang,because it's much more uh
complex than that.
Especially when there'sstructure and it's organized,
it's a criminal organizationit's criminal organization,
right?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
what?
What's the difference between aprison now, like uh, late now,
and and back in 97, because Inoticed like when I was watching
60 Days In you have like alittle like TV that you could
like call your loved ones off of.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Oh yeah, there's been many things that changed in
prisons over the years.
As far as the technology whereyou give visitors through a
video monitor, even the way yousend money in through Western
unions and electronically Backin the day it'd always be
through a money order in themail A lot of things have
changed the structure, even inprisons.

(10:54):
Most prisons are safer thanwhat they used to be.
But that Henry County jail inGeorgia to me that wasn't like
no jail, that was more like amental health facility.
I mean, 70% of the inmatesthere were in psych meds.
Most of them couldn't evenafford a $150 bond.
You know when I'm going in thatjail, I was one of the biggest
dudes in there.
Most of them were small.
There was really no threat.
I mean, I'm used to doing timein Cook County Jail Division 1,
5, 6, 9, 10, where you seepeople getting, you know,

(11:14):
unalive, where you see peoplegetting killed.
I got stabbed in Cook CountyJail.
The war is in the county jail.
So going there it didn't remindme of jail, it reminded me more
like a circus Cause it was.
I felt like I was a bunch ofclowns as soon as I got there.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So let's dive into that.
So you were on a show at A&Ecalled 60 Days In Correct.
I had mad props for you goingin during COVID.
What was it like, you know,back then, knowing that you did
something wrong and you went toprison, right?
What was it like justvoluntarily saying, yeah, I'll

(11:51):
go to prison for 60 days.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
I know what a cliche, right after doing 13 years in
prison.
I used to watch that show whileI was in prison because there
wasn't much else to do.
So I used to watch a lot of TVin jail and prison, right.
So I used to watch a lot of TVin jail and prison, right?
So I used to watch that showand laugh at the snitches on
there, because that's what it is.
It's like almost comical.
So when I came home and Istarted going viral on social

(12:14):
media and he contacted me, I hadover 300,000 followers.
I was already doing a littlebit of marketing, promoting,
already receiving awards fromthe state.
So when they contacted methrough a DM and then I got on
the phone with them and I spokewith them, I told them, I said,
hey, they told me what the showwas and they said am I
interested?
I said I can never look fordrugs, shanks or try to set

(12:37):
anybody up while they're audioand video surveillance.
Another person that's facingtime away from his family, kids
and loved ones.
For years they didn't want medoing that.
They kind of knew that Iwouldn't do that.
They wanted me to go in thatjail and analyze that jail and
the conditions of the, theconditions of that jail and the
treatment of inmates to make itbetter.
Based upon my experience insome of the worst prisons in
illinois, from menard tostaveville to joliet to shawnee

(12:57):
to danville at dixon I can go onand on from cook county jail
you know my experience is whatthey wanted.
So when I went in there, after Ispoke with them about that, I
thought about going on the show.
I talked with a few of myfriends, my homies out there, my
girl, and I told it to myfriends and homies.
I was like man, I might be ableto go on this show six days.
And they're like Chuck, youcan't do that man, it's a snitch

(13:22):
.
And I already told theproducers that I would never be
no snitch going on that show andwe're going to make that clear.
And then after I even told myhomies that because I still
associate with guys not involvedin criminal activity, but they
were about that life and stillhave a good reputation in the
streets and I do too.
So I want to make sure thisreputation of mine that I take
pride in for never being asnitch, never being a sellout,

(13:45):
because to me at the end of theday I've been told on.
I've had people writestatements, I've had people get
immunity for testifying againstme.
So once a snitch, you're alwaysa snitch.
A snitch is the lowest form.
It's like the feces on yourfeet.
No respect for a snitch.
So I take pride in that.
So after I told them that theystill wanted me to go on the
show, they wanted me to go onthere and also to promote the

(14:07):
show because they seen what Iwas doing.
So not only am I going on theshow, but they also wanted me to
promote it.
And this is also the firstseason because I told them I
really didn't want to meet thoseother participants, because
you've seen the other seasonswhere you got these participants
.
They're like, oh, let's see whocan find the most drugs, let's
see who can do this.
I'm like what the fuck?
I don't want nothing to do withthose other guys on their show.
And season seven was the firstseason where none of the

(14:30):
participants, none of the men,met prior to going in because I
didn't want to meet him.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
So it's the show like , basically to infiltrate the
person and that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Who knows what this show is really about?
They say that they want to makeit it better, they want to make
the system better, but inreality right, in reality,
because I know this to be a fact, I've worked with the producer,
I've worked on the show it'sall about ratings, it's all
about money, it's all aboutexploiting real inmates, because
here's what they do.
Let's just say, for instance,the individual I was on the show
with.
I looked him in the eye and Isaid man, you a whole bitch.

(15:01):
And I looked at him right nowand I said that.
And I said you also even looklike a rat, you're a snitch.
I called them all out, even theparticipants, because you had
this guy, you got the show,putting money on his books,
right?
The participant.
And what he does is he's goingaround acting tough, trying to
act like he's starting fightsbecause he wants somebody to
react, all while under audio andvideo surveillance, and why
there's a crew on standby thatcould be there within 60 seconds

(15:24):
, because they have cameras andmicrophones everywhere in every
cell.
So he's depicting an image totry to get a response for your
entertainment.
And then, when it comes down toit, the 18-year-old kid, nick,
who was my cellie, the one I wastrying to mentor, and there's
still something positive in hishead.
The other participant says I'mgoing to use him as my pawn
because he's young, naive andhe's hungry, so he was paying

(15:44):
him noodles that the A&Eproducers put money on his books
to buy for.
And then the man says, verbatim,I didn't want to catch a real
assault charge, so I sent him todo it.
He, verbatim, told him you godo it Because he knew that the
young man was getting paid fromhim and exploiting him.
And then after the altercationwhere the young man, nick,
18-year-old kid, tries to get ashank off another inmate, a

(16:06):
broomstick right.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Nick goes to the hole .

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Now, at that point, it's up to the producers,
because they're in control.
This is between you and I.
I already exposed A&E.
I don't care what they feelabout me, right?
They tried to blackball me andeverything, but it didn't work.
Fuck A&E, fuck A&E, fuck A&E.
So look right.
So they're in control of whogoes in and out your cell.
They're in control of who goesin and out that unit.

(16:30):
They're in control ofeverything, right?
So they made the decision toput that 18-year-old kid right
back in the same unit aroundthat same participant that said
that he paid him to exploit him.
So A& e facilitates the drama ofthe show.
Just like any other realityshow, they depict and dramatize,
and they create problems wherethere usually would be none

(16:51):
because that'd be a boring showif everybody got along well.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
And you have these other participants that exploit
and try to get these otherinmates to react by spying,
drugs or saying, hey, what areyou doing?
Don't be acting like that.
He wants that other inmate toreact and hit him first for the
cameras, because the more fightsthey have, the more drugs they

(17:16):
find, the more drama that'sgoing on.
Whether it's two inmatesbickering over an orange or
whether it's Lil Deshawn, likeon season seven, who seemed a
little, you know, not all there.
You know he had some mentalhealth issues, he had 150 on
bond, he was stealing fromwalmart and what do they do?
They're sending him off topunch another inmate, the real
participants they're advocating.
You stand up for yourself.
It's a sham and that's why Iwork with the heirs campaign.

(17:38):
It's because it's calledabolish ma.
Reality shows and you know, atthe end of the day they're not
only working, looking at sixdays in, but they're looking at
lock up, lock up raw inmate toroommate, all these shows,
because a lot of theseparticipants, because nate, one
of the one of the one of theother individuals for six days,
because I don't associate withnone of those participants, but
he wound up having some issuesafter the show.

(17:58):
He committed suicide,unfortunately, and a lot of
these participants.
I'm gonna throw it out there.
You know that guy, carlita Icall him carlita from the show.
The same one who said lucky,chucky as soon as I walked down
the unit.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
The guy looked like, he looked like his fan
starstruck.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
I knew someone was up .
He looks at me, he's like luckychucky and I called him outside
because I didn't know if he wasa real inmate or a participant.
I said come outside in case yougot a problem with it and come
to find out.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Did you say real inmate?

Speaker 3 (18:24):
I didn't know if he was a real inmate or a
participant.
Because as soon as I walked inwith my stuff, I seen this guy
looking at me like he just seenSanta Claus.
He's like what's up, big guy.
I'm like what's up?
And I put my stuff away.
I come back downstairs and soI'm walking down the stairs.
He's like he got the otherparticipant that he was there
with and I'm coming down thestairs.
He's like Lucky Chucky and I'mlike motherfucker, my cover is
blown over.

(18:45):
I think that was the quickestcover blown in history, right.
So I'm like, yeah, and I saidlet me holler at you outside
real quick, because at thatpoint I didn't know if he was a
real participant or if he was areal inmate.
I didn't know what was up, so,in case he had found out, he was
a fan of mine.
He's like I follow you, I can'tbelieve you're here.

(19:05):
And he was just swinging from mynuts on the show.
He's cooking me food.
And then all of a sudden hewalked up to me a couple days
there and he's like oh, look atall these pills.
I have to turn in producers andI'm like I'm not here to be a
snitch guy, I don't know whatyou're doing.
He's like well, I don'tconsider snitching because I'm
in jail.
At that point I even told theproducers to us.
I wish this guy never wouldhave came up to me.

(19:26):
This guy's a weirdo.
And come to find out he's theone who sent the 18-year-old kid
off and then he got removedfrom the show.
He actually wrote a statementon another inmate, literally in
the cell block.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
You will never, ever see that in what I was gonna ask
you.
So like you go into prison backthen, like you know, and like
not like obviously gettingcaught, and like going to prison
and then going on this show,what's the difference like
knowing that you have camerasall the time is everyone just
trying to put on a show?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
I mean it's weird because you never hear on the
show them say six days in, butit's always constantly being
talked about.
They try to make it seem andthey even have real inmates, the
inmates that are beinginterviewed.
They have them sign a releaseand they try to make it seem
like under a different fakeproduction company and they're
saying that's for a documentary.
That may or may not be.
They fool them and they don'tgive them no money either.
They don't give them no moneyeither.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
They don't give them no money, they just exploit them
.
Can the prisoners or theinmates, can they revoke consent
for being on camera, for beingon TV?

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, they can say no and they can blur their faces
out or they'll take them offtheir unit, but they have to
sign a consent.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
So why would you break any law whatsoever,
whether you're trying to getdrugs, whether you're trying to
create a fight, if you gotcameras everywhere and you and
you signed up for it becausethey're, they're exploiting them
60 days and like, did theproducers know immediately?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
it was 60 days.
No, they don't know immediately, they don't know what's going
on.
They're naive to the fact.
They got the production crewcoming in.
You know, you got, you got theya consent, but they don't know.
If it's, they think, man,that's six days in man.
And then let's just say inhindsight, right In the Henry
County jail where I was at right, 50% and 49.8% of that jail was
Caucasian, 49.6% wasAfrican-American.

(21:18):
You don't have too many Latinosright.
All of a sudden you got someguy from Chicago in a unit.
A sudden you got some guy fromChicago in the unit.
All of a sudden you got someguy from allegedly New York in
the unit and he's Latino.
And all of a sudden you gotcameras crews going to their
cells all the time.
Right, oh, and this guy, littleCarlito, he wanted camera time
every time he could, every timehe got a chance to run off the
unit.
It's like they know.
And then this guy is the sameguy who will call out the whole

(21:40):
deck after he writes a statement, talk about hey, well, anybody
got a problem with what I did.
Come see me.
What are you going to do?
You going to catch a case forputting their hand on a paid
informant.
It's a sham.
It's a sham.
But this same guy got removedfrom the show for popping other
people's psych pills.
Remember how I told you how hewalked up to me with the psych

(22:00):
pills.
He had psych pills, like thepsych patients, because a lot of
them are on psych medicationsthere.
They put it in their mouth andthen they take it out and they
sell the psych meds.
So this guy's taking psych medsthat some other guy pulled out
of his mouth.
So they told him stop doing it.
The sheriff, the producers,they told Carlito, stop doing
that.
We don't want psych pills.
Stop, those guys need theirmedication.
And what does he do?
He proceeds to keep taking.

(22:21):
He's telling other inmates man,I'm fucked up.
He's giving other inmatesparticipants or other other
inmates, uh, psych pills.
And they removed them fortaking them because they seen
how inebriated he was on psychpills.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
He's like, oh, you were right, man.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
This is a fucking circus it is, and you know
what's so sad you did someonewho did the circus hey, I
exposed him and I will every bittoo, because at the end of the
day, that show's not right andthat's why the heirs campaign
they're going to be in Februaryat the A&E headquarters at a
rally with a whole submission.
They got a whole team behindthem.
Don't get me wrong, it's notlike I'm the only one.

(22:55):
I got shirts in the car rightnow.
They got a whole campaign.
I can't make it that day, youknow, because I got other
obligations for that day.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
But I think we want to get into that, the activism
side of it and you know,fighting for the rights of
ex-cons and former inmates andsuch.
But I did want to ask you,since I know that 60 Days In was
in Georgia and you saidprimarily you were in Cook
County for your incarceration,how careful do you have to be in
different joints, as you callthem, if you're affiliated?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, like are you protected or are you more like a
target?

Speaker 3 (23:26):
And see, that's the thing.
That's a good question, becauseI didn't know what to expect.
Going there, I didn't know CookCounty Jail you do a screening.
If you say you're part oforganization, they do a
screening.
If they catch you falseflagging, you're in trouble.
Right, it's very organized.
Getting upon the Henry CountyJail, you had anybody saying
that they were in any part ofgang and there was nobody
checking their background orwhat they did.

(23:48):
Even, unfortunately, nick right, the young kid, the 18 year old
kid that said that he had itfor that deck for the GDs.
He had told me that he learnedhis literature in the previous
county jail that he was just in.
So how are you going to claimto be a real gangster?
But you just learned yourliterature from your last celly.
You see what I'm saying there'sno structure, there is no

(24:08):
organization, it was just chaoswhat does that mean?

Speaker 4 (24:11):
the literature the literature.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's just a set of rules and formations and stuff
you have to go through beforeyou and you have to memorize
before you become a member ofthat particular organization.
Every organization hasdifferent literature or
scripture, you know.
So the thing is also.
The thing is also with the sixdays, and I just want to point
out that when people ask me whatI did when I was on that show?
right, because I went, basedupon my experience, to analyze

(24:35):
the conditions of treatment ofinmates and I see firsthand that
they didn't feed those inmatesproperly.
Even at Cook County Jail youget fresh fruit, you get a milk
every day and they feed youproperly.
In the Henry County Jail, nomilk, no fresh fruit.
People laugh at me about that.
Right, oh, you didn't get yourfresh fruit or milk.
Yeah, especially when he'sobligated to feed them a proper
diet but he's not.
He's saving a ton of money.

(24:55):
Rotten meat, no milk.
You got guys that are becominglactose intolerant, unhealthy.
But furthermore, the mentalhealth aspect In Cook County,
john, every prison I've been to,they separate mental health
from general population.
There they just put them alltogether.
They put them all together,they don't care and that's
detrimental upon not just theunit, because you see what's
going on there now.

(25:16):
But they also have no physicalrecreational activities there
for the inmates.
You got 34 basketball rooms butnot one basketball.
No physical exercise activitiesallowed.
They want them to be unhealthy,they want it's like they don't
care and they don't even offerhaircuts or razors there, not
every prison, even when I'm inthe hole in segregation.

(25:36):
They're going to come offer mea razor at least once a week.
You know what I'm saying?
You want to shave.
They demoralize the men andwomen there by not offering
haircuts or razors and since theshow, since I left, they're
actually offering haircuts now.
They make them pay $10.
They're feeding them a littlebetter.
They're separating mentalhealth from general population,
you know what I mean.
And they're trying to offerphysical exercise programs there

(25:58):
because they didn't have thatbefore.
So I expose that sheriff forbeing scandalous as he is, for
being scandalous as he is, and Icould talk about other aspects
as far as the individual runningagainst that sheriff now in
that county contacting me andwhat that Reginald Scandron and
Shaquille O'Neal are doing.
But Shaquille O'Neal'scomplacent as well.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
He's getting a paycheck from them as well.
So if anybody wants to watchthis on Hulu season seven, right
, Season seven, right, Yep,Season 7, because it sounds all
over the place.
But if you watch the seasonyou'll understand what Lucky
Chucky's talking about.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
It just hit Netflix too.
What's interesting, I'll be onmy live or somebody will comment
on a video and they'll be like,hey, I'm watching you right now
.
I'm like what do you mean?
You're watching me right now?
The show was there two and ahalf years ago, where you been,
because after the season it airson Hulu and on Peacock, and
then Netflix was the laststreaming service that it went
to.
It's on Netflix now.
So there's a whole new genre ofaudience and I hear it all the

(26:55):
time.
Some people love what I did.
You know, in my opinion, thepeople that get it get it.
I get a lot of hate from thatshow, but I know it's the only
hate that I get are usually thepeople who are still leaving
cookies out for Santa Claus.
They're living in a false worldsomewhere.
They still believe in theEaster Bunny, they watch WWE and
think it's still real.
Because I recognize and I seethat only fake ones hate the

(27:19):
real ones, appreciate andcongratulate.
I hear it all the time.
Thank you for keeping it real,thank you for just you know,
calling out who I was, and I geta lot of love for that show,
but I tell them at the end ofthe day.
Make sure they stay tuned forthe next show coming up.
Huh, this one won't be, youknow, fake reality tv show.
This will be real tv yeah,throughout like prison.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Uh, is there rules like that?
You just have to follow that.
You find out, like throughoutyour sentence.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Unspoken rules.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
you're talking about Unspoken rules yes, is there any
unspoken rules that you learnedthroughout your incarcerations?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I mean, there's a lot of rules, you know, as far as
like unwritten rules, you knownever gamble off ass you know,
that's what they call it.
What they do is if you gamble,never gamble off ass.
You know that's what they callit.
What they do is if you gamble alot of people like to gamble in
the penitentiary but theygamble with stuff that they
don't even have yet, becausethey're up ahead or they think
they might win, and if you loseand you don't have the merch to
pay, then you're going to be putat risk.

(28:19):
You know what?
Anybody who's affiliated withanybody, with any organization.
You should never gamble off ass, because that causes problems.
Right, that causes problems.
Always make sure you have yourmerch right there at the table,
because if not, that's going tocause problems.
Another, I guess unwritten rulesdon't ever call another man a
bitch in prison, because inprison, if you call another man
a bitch, you best be ready toback that up, and that word is

(28:41):
thrown around so easily nowadays.
I hear it.
I'll be at the store and I hear, you know, a 15-year-old kid
calling their four hey, bitch,stop acting like a bitch.
You know, if you do that inprison, you know you're going to
probably get a mouth shot ormore.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I've heard that before with like a few of I'm a
bitch, but in prison be ready,put your dukes up if you're
doing it right so so you were inand out of prison and jailed
from 97 until 2017, you said yep2009 about.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
I think I got it to.
I think the last bit was 2018.
I keep throwing that off.
I think I got out like Augustof 2017, the last time and that
was the last time.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
And it was all for like robberies.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
No, I got a lot of different charges.
I mean, if you look at my NCIC,I was a career criminal.
I was charged with pretty muchalmost any kind of crime you
could think of, except anythingexploiting women or children or
victimizing women or children oranything sexually related.
I've never been charged withnothing like that, or else they
wouldn't have me on tv,apparently, because they do a
full background screening.
I ain't no creep.
But as far as uh, selling drugs, robbing people, hurting people

(29:54):
, aggravated assaults, you knowall that good stuff, that's who
I was know.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
That brings me back to my question.
Why would you say, yeah, I'llgo into 60 days.
Yeah, I'll go in during COVID.
Yeah, I'll do it 23-1 for 14days 14 days?
When I was watching that, I waslike you're probably going

(30:20):
crazy.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I just thought it was such a cliche that I'm actually
going to be getting paid to goto jail.
After doing all that time I'vedone 60 days in the hole like
for real.
So 60 days in ain't much to me,you know.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
So when you said I have a headache, I have a
headache, and you did thegesture which is basically
saying like I quit, right, butyou didn't quit, you were just
tired of the bullshit, right?

Speaker 3 (30:46):
no, I mean, I'm here's another thing about
reality tv.
Right, they had to narrate andedit out why I really left.
Okay, because why I was therewas for great purposes.
I was there for almost twoweeks, right.
But after everything I wentthrough in there, after being
recognized by the participants,inmates and officers right, it

(31:06):
was really no sweat, there wasno threat.
Still, I stayed.
However, after eating that meat,I had to go to medical because
I was throwing up.
I was sick.
I'm not the only one.
A lot of people get sick fromthat meat.
So I was eating that meat thatthey have for lunch.
That's all they serve for lunchevery day.
I was sick and they wanted me togo to the medical unit to get a
COVID test.
So when I was in the medicalunit, at first there were a

(31:28):
bunch of inmates there.
They took them out and then Iwas left alone in there with,
like, one other inmate whodidn't have cuff sound.
Come to find out, he didn'thave cuff sound because he
caused problems in the jail.
He had a fight previously, hewas there to see a doctor, but
anyway, him and I had some wordsand he physically attacked me
first and I defended myself andyou know I was choking him out
and afterwards he was banging onthe door saying I assaulted him

(31:49):
and the guards came theyseparated us.
Now here, I didn't know thisbecause the producers they say
you're under 24-hoursurveillance always, except when
you're medical.
They didn't say that theproducers aren't allowed in
medical because the HIPAA laws,because the sheriff didn't want
them there.
I didn't know that.
So they told me.
So I didn't know what I know.

(32:09):
They had cameras in the medicalunit.
So after that altercation thereal captain calls me to his
office and he says hey, man, weknow what happened.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Do you want to write a statement?
What do you mean?
Real captain.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Because they have certain captains and certain
sheriffs that are on and off thecameras and stuff like that.
So I was called to the officeby a captain that you won't see
on the Six Days In show.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
He was one of the captains there.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
So he called me.
He said they know what happenedand they're asking me if I want
to write a statement.
And I said write a statementagainst me?
And they couldn't tell me.
And even at that point theproducers told me, chuck, you've
already accomplished so muchsince you've been here.
You've done your mission,because my mission was to expose
the condition of treatment toinmates.

(32:52):
And they said, after beingrecognized and after altercation
with this gentleman, they saidit's best that I leave Because,
let's be honest, it's Georgia.
You see individuals gettingcharged with hate crimes in the
jails and prisons there, but ifyou see someone get charged with
a hate crime, nine times out of10, it's a Caucasian man being

(33:12):
charged with a hate crime forbeating up or hurting an
African-American male.
And unfortunately, the mentalhealth patient that I defended
myself against in the medicalunit happened to be
African-American.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'm starting to understand.
They flipped the script on you.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Well, they said, I was going to be the hero.
They said, chucky, theproducers loved me on that show.
I had respect for them at firstbecause I felt that their
intentions were well.
They even used the term socialexperiment.
That's what they said this islike a social experiment.
It felt like the Stanfordexperiment.
They said social experiment.
They utilized that word so manytimes and I think about it.

(33:48):
The producers of the showliterally told me Chuckie,
you're the hero of this.
We're going to make you looklike you're the hero.
The way they narrated the show.
They made me look like I leftthe show after I got done with a
visit with my daughter.
Nothing happened in that show,like if you.
All of a sudden I got back tomy cell after a visit with my
daughter and if you watch theshow, I'm like, damn, I really
don't want to leave.

(34:08):
Man, damn, I don't want toleave.
But, man, and I'm sitting theretalking cause I really didn't
want to leave.
Cause, man, I wanted that money.
You know what I mean.
I wanted all the money I couldget from the people and every
day they pay you and that's whatpeople fail to realize too I
got paid a little bit more.
I'm the only participant thatthey flew first class.
You know what I mean?
Because I was working with them, but I was trying to get all
the money I could, because themore I stayed, the more money I

(34:32):
could have got and the more mymind.
And that's the thing.
People ask me why I'd agree togo on the show too.
It's about putting a messageout there.
You know what I mean.
It's about amplifying what youhave to do.
I do quotes of the day everyday that actually inspire people
and even though I end it with afuck them, you know what I mean
.
It serves a message.
People come up to me in thestreet and they tell me how it
helped keep them sober.
People tell me in my DMs and inreal life all the time how my

(34:54):
quotes have helped them througha breakup or a death or anything
they got going on.
So every day I try to push outa quote a day and my message
that I have is impactful.
You know what I mean.
That's why you see me speakingat conferences now and workshops
and doing what I do, becauseit's just amplifying it more and
that's what I was hopingultimately was six days in is to
create change in the system andin people.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
You have the experience, which is, you know
people don't like a Joe Schmothat says like, hey, do this, do
that, and they don't have theexperience.
You have the experience ofbeing incarcerated.
You have the experience ofbeing treated badly.
You have the experience offighting for gambling rights and
you're seven and one, like yousaid.

(35:39):
So like I can understand whypeople look up to you and I want
to, like you know, becauseyou're an advocate for people to
get out of gangs and crimes,right?

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, I'm also a father's rights advocate.
I get recognized in public allthe time.
People are like Chuck.
I love your quotes, sir.
I've seen your marketing list.
I love you from six days in.
I see your fights.
People mechanize me all thetime for my top 10 videos.
I do top 10 educational videosthat go viral all the time.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
But the thing that I get recognized for the least is
what I take the most pride in,and that's my prisoner's rights
and father's rights advocacyyeah, I want to get into that
and I want to talk about how youevolved from somebody who was
incarcerated multiple times toevolving to this inspirational
entrepreneur figure.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
It took an epiphany.
I'm sure we all had at onepoint in our life an epiphany
right.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Of course, when my car accidents, I was like fuck,
I'm paralyzed.
That's my epiphany.
I got to take it day by day andget better and better and
better, or let the devil takeover.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
And you're still here for a reason.
You're here, for a reason,You're serving a righteous
purpose and you're living withthe reason that you're here for
Life to the max.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
That's why we call it life to the max, baby I love
that, I love that.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
So my epiphany was you know, I love that, I love
that.
So my epiphany was, you know,death.
Uh, after being shot, stabbed,13 years in prison.
Nothing really changed me.
I didn't change, you know.
I came home try to work aregular job.
It was.
It was mediocre, you know, it'sjust not much money.
So eventually I just got rightback into the game and I started
selling dope again and getinvolved in the streets because
it's easy money to me.
I can always flip a pack orflip an ounce.
You know I'm here to flip, flipa gram if I had to, you know

(37:25):
you sound like.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
You sound like all nonchalant when you said I've
been stabbed and shot likethat's a mother fucker.
You guys did not hear that.
But you sound all nonchalantwhen you say that both.
For me it's like shit.
This guy's been stabbed andhe's been shot.
I mean, did that change at all?
Was that the epiphany?

Speaker 3 (37:47):
No, it was cool and I did.
When it happened I wanted toshoot the guys back.
When I got stabbed, it pissedme off.
I just wanted to get better andget back at them.
So that's what I'm saying.
Prison never changed.
What changed me was an epiphanyepiphany.
I was in the Englewoodneighborhood with some
associates and friends of minedoing some things we shouldn't
have been doing.
We were pretty much in a roomfull of dope.
I was re-upping and bagging upand they said no, I overdosed on

(38:09):
fentanyl.
I'd never overdosed on fentanylbefore.
I've never really been intodrugs like that to be honest
with you.
And, yeah, I woke up at HolyCross Hospital and I remember
coming to a little bit I heardmy son's voice, but I seen that
light.
You know what I mean.
Like, I seen like a brightlight, her voices, and I came to

(38:29):
and I woke up and next thing Iknow I'm asking what's going on.
I'm shaking because they hit mewith Narcan.
I never been hit with no Narcanand you know the nurse started
treating me like garbage.
She's like oh, you overdosed.
Maybe you shouldn't be using nodope by then.
I'm like what.
I didn't know what was going on.
Because it takes you, I had tocome to.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
I know exactly what you're talking about because
when I died I saw the brightlight, so I know what you're
talking about that light, likethat figment of the imagination.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
You don't know if it's real or if it's fake.
I didn't know what happened, Icouldn't believe that.
It just hit me.
So when I came to, my homieswere still there.
My homies were waiting for mein the hospital.
You know, my car, my money, myjewelry, everything was still
there and intact.
I was the only Caucasianindividual there and you know, I
thought to myself man, theycould have just did so much at
that point.
And my homie, he's kind of like, he likes to call himself the

(39:25):
godfather, you know, and allthat stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
I'm the quadfather.
I'm the quadfather.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
But he saved my life that day.
He made sure that I was okay.
He told me that when I was whenthey called the ambulance.
It took them a long time tocome there.
They had to get rid of the dopeand they had to wait for the
ambulance.
They said when I was on therehe tried to put ice on me to
cool me down.
I had tears coming out of myeyes, I wasn't responding and it
just hit me very hard.
And at that moment, that night,after I left the hospital, I

(39:56):
made the choice man, I'll nevercommit another felony or
misdemeanor again and I haven't.
And since then I've been on arighteous path in all my
endeavors, everything I do, andI just feel like, whatever
happens, like all thesecompanies that come at me, these
TV companies, I'm like a magnet.
I don't try to go after things,they kind of come to me and I
feel like God is just I'm on arighteous path, so he's just

(40:18):
creating them lanes for me.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I get what you're saying.
A righteous pastor he's justcreating the lanes for me it's
God's plan.
It's God's plan.
You went through all this and afentanyl overdose is what got
you, not the stabbing, not theshooting of an overdose, which
is, I mean, that's impactful, itreally is but the bigger

(40:41):
picture is if you look at thiscountry and what's going on with
this epidemic in America today,especially with fentanyl, how
many people lost fathers,mothers, children.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
You know it kind of hits me hard.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Are you an advocate for getting people to use drugs
and fentanyl?

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, everything I do.
I encourage people to get awayfrom gangs, drugs and crime.
Now, you know, butunfortunately I didn't before
and I hold a lot of guilt, youknow.
I'm hoping that one day all myrights well, maybe I'll do my
wrongs.
You know, when I meet myjudgment, my maker, you know.
At least I can say, hey, youknow.
So I got a lot of work to dowell, you're doing a good job,

(41:24):
man.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I mean like, uh, you have a great following on tiktok
.
People love you.
Like you said you're, you'restaying clean, you're not doing
anything wrong.
Like you're living by your word, and that's a beautiful thing,
because not a lot of people can.
Uh, you know it like easy, likeyou said, you just do a trick
and get some money like thatquick.

(41:46):
But now you're, you're being arighteous person, a person with
virtue.
You know what I mean, and thatyou can't find that somewhere
anywhere else like a person withvirtue is amazing.
I want to get into more of youhelping the community now, like

(42:07):
we can.
Like you know we'reincarcerated, you got shot, you
got stabbed and like it's a.
It's a lot of hard things tohear for me, uh, but I mean it
was a piece of cake for you,apparently, but uh, I want to
hear more about you advocatingyoung and older people not to do

(42:29):
crimes anymore.
Just stay away from gays.
Live life to the fullest.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
What do you say to people who you're trying to move
away from that life?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
A lot of times, when people are caught up in that
lifestyle and that mindset, it'shard to get them to change
unless you show them somethingbetter.
And sometimes I can be theexample for that.
You got to let people know thatyou care.
You have to let people knowthat there's an outlet and in a
street sense sometimes I tellpeople to change the product.
You could be out there sellingdope or robbing people.

(43:01):
The same effort and initiativeyou put in doing that, you could
be doing something towardslegal endeavors that would get
you paid as well.
Maybe not as much at first, butthe more work you put into it,
the more you will just like inany other illegal endeavor or
legal endeavor.
So it's hard, you know, to getpeople to really want to change.
But even within the communityand things that we do, I've done

(43:24):
work with Pastor Corey Brookson Opportunity Block.
They call it O Block.
They actually have a communitycenter being opened up there.
Spring of this year I was upthere with Rob Lagojevich helped
trying to raise money and hegot the money to do it.
And community centers like that.
They provide vocational classes, outlets, business training and
ultimately it keeps them out ofthe gains and in something more

(43:46):
positive.
But even my fights that I do.
I do fighting with USA, boxingright.
I'm 45 years old.
People ask me what are youdoing fighting?
I've always been pugnacious, Ilove fighting right.
But if I get fight with someasshole on the street because
I've had a few altercations ifyou want to get into that where
haters came up to me and Ihandle them accordingly and I

(44:08):
get a lot of hate on socialmedia, I got guys call me come
meet me over here.
No, why would I go meet you?
Mutual combat ain't legal inIllinois.
If I agree to come meet you andkick the shit out of you and
put you in the ICU, who's goingto be charged?
Me?
Who's going to pay for yourlegal or for your medical
expenses Me?
Even if he doesn't presscharges, let's just say if I

(44:29):
happen to unalive him Because Igot PTSD, if I fight, I'm not
stopping until you ain't movingRight Because you're trying to
hurt me and when that happens,you know people get hurt, do you
go into like a blind rage?
People get hurt Right, andthat's what I do in my boxing.
Unfortunately, too, people gethurt Right.
So with USA Boxing right I metthis great man called Harv.

(44:49):
You know great man, harvWarbanger's Boxing Club.
It's a non-for-profitorganization.
He's been doing this for yearsin Chicago.
Amateur events and the eventsthat we do and fights that he
has in sport programs areliterally keeping kids away from
gangs, drugs and criminalityand teaching them conflict
resolution skills, because a lotof young men and grown men like

(45:09):
that nowadays.
But what I love is I get tocall out all these trolls and
haters of mine on social mediathat I wouldn't even know who
they were if they didn't talkabout me or hate on me first.
Literally all these people Icall out, maybe except for one I
wouldn't even know who theywere if they didn't get my
attention first.
So I've had three fights so far.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
All these people I call out.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I've had three fights so far.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
I actually have a really out of left field
question.
What if Jake Paul called youout?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
I would whip Jake Paul.
He's a disney character.
He acts like he's tough.
He's got all that money totrain him.
He never had to fight for hislife.
Two and a half years ago he wasjust in his mother's house.
He was on disney channel, rightbut, two and a half years.
a couple years ago he was in hismother's house in khakis
twerking the taylor swift now.
Then he went to the somebizarre disney show and then now

(46:01):
he became a YouTube fake boxerthat pays his opponents.
I'm surprised he ain't catchinga case that paid off Mike Tyson
, because you know they didgamble on those fights and you
know if Mike Tyson took a divehe's liable for that, mike.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Tyson would have whooped his ass.
I saw his training.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
I know, I saw his training Even five years ago.
He would have yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yeah, I believe so too.
Jake Paul is about as fake asyou.
I call him Fake Paul.
I call him Fake Paul.
I don't even call him Jake Paul.
But see, that's the thing I'vecalled out social media, other
people on social media thathated on me.
You know, the guy said he hadall his training right Kickbacks
.
He is as soon as he came at me.
I dropped him within the firsteight seconds twice in the first
round.

(46:41):
Then I tore a tenon and I wonevery round and won the fight.
And then these other guys, likethe guy from the show, he wound
up doing two years Lil Carlita.
I fought him for my secondfight.
He did two years of boxingtraining after the show because
he couldn't fight.
He was on social.
He was on the show startingfights.
So he did two years of boxingtraining and I couldn't find

(47:02):
another opponent.
So I had to drop 20 pounds justto make sure I fought little
Carlita.
So I went in there at 196.
I was depleted.
I had a calf tear 10 daysbefore the fight, a partial calf
tear.
So I went in there and thatlittle man didn't even touch me.
I had him leaking out all overme and the ring and everything.
I got his blood everywhere andI treated him.
It was fun to beat up on thatsnitch and that POS for that

(47:25):
long.
But at the end of the fight Ihit him with a left hook and I
backed up a little bit and Ifelt my calf and the round ended
.
I went to my corner, I went togo sit down and I couldn't stand
back up.
I even told him my calf was inso much pain and I won that
round.
But technically he wanted tofight.
But I got a chance to whip himlegally.
And then my third fight was aguy named the King of Rhode

(47:48):
Island.
Right, 6'4".
Did you say the Queen?
Well, he called himself theKing of Rhode Island.
They call himself thegatekeeper.
Right, he has all thesefollowers on TikTok and stuff.
Right, the guy looks like atroll.
He looks like an overweightgarden gnome.
Right.
So he was 285.64.
His whole account was basedupon him trolling me and other
people.
He had made up lies about me,talked about my family, telling

(48:11):
people I went to jail forstealing my son's credit card
Never happened, never once.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Some Conor McGregor shit he's on social media
calling me a chomo.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
You know what a chomo is?
It's a child molester.
I ain't never been accused ofthat once in my life.
But people on social media,just like Kendrick Lamar, is
doing with Drake.
Yet Drake's not in prison orjail for assaulting a minor or
pedophilia.
So Drake is most definitelygoing to sue him for that money
because Kendrick Lamar ain'tgoing to fight him.
He's a 5'5 dwarf so he'd ratherget on a microphone and

(48:41):
disrespect another man that haskids and who's a family man.
So when these guys do it to me,I can't sue these guys.
They're all broke.
So I pay for their flight,their hotel and we put on
pay-per-view and I make them ahighlight reel.
And that's what I did with nowthe queen of Rhode Island, this
guy he claimed to have all thesefights right.
The guy looked like he lookedlike a bum.

(49:02):
I was dancing around himbecause I told him I'm going to
dance around him and, sureenough, I hit him with four
stomach shots.
He put his hands down, hit himwith two left jabs, right hook,
started dropping him with themuppet cuts.
It was over with.
He went down like a sack ofpotatoes, didn't get back up but
my Because as he's going downthe corner, the ref kind of
jumped on my back and I thoughtsomebody was jumping on my back.
I didn't know if his homieswere trying to jump on me or

(49:24):
what, but I didn't stop.
He went down.
I'm like, oh OK, I wasn't done,I just bah bah.
I was like what did you sayagain, bah.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
You're, you're, you're.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
And then the ref picked me up and slammed chucky,
chucky.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
When's your next fight?

Speaker 3 (49:40):
august, august, navy pier.
Hopefully this time we're gonnatry to get the biggest and
biggest stays there could be andI'm trying to find a write-up.
I'm hoping I can find anopponent that I don't hate,
because these fights aresupposed to be positive.
You know what I mean.
And when I find an opponentthat I don't hate, we got
fucking armed guards at thesecurity or we got armed guards
at the press conferences andeverything, because I've had a
cicero stadium and the lastfights were at uh love city

(50:02):
right down lake and palaska inthe west side.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I feel like so I'm a huge ufc fan, okay, uh, and I
thought boxing was kind of, likeyou know, diminishing a little
bit.
So when you kept saying yeah, Ihave fight, I have fight
throughout the whole podcast, Iwas like wait, what are you
talking about?
You have a fight, you have afight.
You didn you fight.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
So is boxing like coming back a little bit with
everything going on with jakepaul and everything the, the
reputation of boxing is justkind of out the window.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah, fake paul is just kind of out the window yeah
, fuck you, jake, if you want tocome get some.
Get some lucky, chucky fakepaul ain't gonna step up.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
I don't care how much training he gets.
He never had to fight for hislife once in his life.
And me, honestly, I don't claimto be, you know, some trained
boxer and a professional boxer.
I'm used to fighting for mylife.
I've been.
I've been in riots.
I've had a lot of fights inthemselves in the streets.
When I was younger, my popsused to hang out the window when
I was fighting in the alley,talking about get him chucky,

(50:56):
get him.
Now he's at my fights with myson talking about get him chucky
, get him where did uh?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I was gonna ask you this in the beginning of the
podcast, but when?
Uh, when your name is shane,right?

Speaker 1 (51:10):
oh, chase, yeah, that's my chase, chase.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Okay, so your name is chase.
How did it get to chucky, luckychucky well, my real name is
charles.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
my son's name is chase.
People still call me Chaseevery now and then.
So I'm like, yeah, you're a fanof 60 Days In, no, but my real
name is Charles, charles Honake.
My son's name is Chase.
When I went on the show I toldhim why don't you just let me
use my real name, because I havea huge following.
What if somebody recognized me?
At least I could say, hey, Icaught a case out here.

(51:47):
It wouldn't be that normal, itwouldn't be that off normal.
I mean, hey, you know.
So they would not want me touse my real name.
They didn't want me.
And then they seen the tattooand they were like how about
Chase?
How about the Chucky?
I'm like what is that?
Who's that supposed to be?
You know what I mean?
Is that supposed to be my son?
I got Chucky tattooed on mychest.
It just doesn't make sense.
So they went with Chase, youknow.
But I'm called Lucky Chuckybecause I was actually born at
seven pounds, 11 ounces.
And my parents think they meanLucky Chucky at an early age, so

(52:10):
it kind of just stuck with me.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I thought it might have been from your criminal
endeavors, maybe, like you know,getting lucky.
Well, I was definitely lucky alot.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
I felt it's weird growing up like being poor.
I felt unlucky.
But then all my the reason whyI'm still here.
I'm lucky for that.
You know, when I was seven, 16years old, 17 years old, I used
to go to the track over thereand gamble on the horse.
I always won Every time I wentto a horse race, whether it's a
thoroughbred in there with.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I wish I could move my hands right now, because
you're talking like an Italianperson.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
You want to talk about Italian?
Hey, I promote some of the bestItalian joints around here.
That's another thing I do.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
We were talking about that on the phone.
Maybe we could do a vlog and goto the top five best Italian
places and we could go visit it.
Chucky, you're amazing man.
You're like a unicorn Not in abad way, Not in a bad way.
You're lucky.

(53:12):
You're a lucky Chucky andyou've done all these things and
now you're doing great things.
Now You're promoting boxing.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
I'd love to talk about the organizations and the
foundations that you're workingwith now.
To'd love to talk about theorganizations and the
foundations that you're workingwith now to turn the lives
around of the youth.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Definitely.
I do conferences every now andthen.
I love my job.
You know what's interesting is,people think that social media
is a job and I love what I do,even the filming that I do.
I got a film crew.
I got security crews sometimesand we always have a great time
what we're doing.
I promote so many greatbusinesses, from pawn shops to

(53:47):
funeral homes to gentlemen'sclubs and don't get me wrong,
I'm a family man with a girl.
It's all part of promotions.
Some of the greatest clubs inChicago, restaurants of all
different cultures andethnicities, you name it.
I've always been the type ofindividual that can sell a
ketchup popsicle to an Eskimo onwhite gloves, you know.
But I do some work with theNational Association of Reentry

(54:08):
Professionals.
They're all over the country.
It's a not-for-profitorganization.
I was in Pensacola as thekeynote speaker and they got.
Every conference that they'vehad so far has continued to get
bigger and bigger.
I'll and it's going to continueto evolve and do great.
And they help people coming homefrom prison, help reintegrate
into society to ultimatelyreduce recidivism.
You know what I mean, because alot of these prisoners coming
home and even the individuals Iwork with, like Thomas Favor at

(54:30):
the Illinois Workforce.
He created a returning citizensguide for when people come home
from prison, they have a guideto what they can do to help them
be successful from grants right, because there's a lot of
grants out there.
People always say I can't getno job.
Well, you need to get some jobtraining assistance, some job
training qualifications.
There's a WIOA grant, theWorkforce Initiative Opportunity

(54:51):
Act, where anybody has accessto it.
Just, you ain't got to be afelon to get access.
But if you don't really havethe financial stability to pay
for your, this grant isavailable to everybody and
that's what I received the awardfrom the state of Illinois for
for being an advocate for thatparticular grant and bringing
more money to it.
And these companies haveincentives, like opening their
doors for people that are in jobtraining through the WIOA grant

(55:12):
, through the workforce, becausethey have certain write-offs
and incentives that they canutilize.
So by working with programslike the workforce advocating
for this grant, working with theNational Association of
Re-entry Professionals, it justcontinued to open up doors.
Working with Harvard Warbangers, non-for-profit the boxing,
working with Pastor Corey Brooks, different politicians

(55:34):
Everything I do serves a purposeand that purpose is impactful
and it's going to keep onpushing it forward.
My goal is ultimately tour allover America in different
prisons to share my story andprovide resources for people
coming home to inspire them.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Beautiful man.
It's beautiful and like.
I mean I was just about to askyou if you could like name out
like all the charities you workfor and all these like,
non-for-profits and like, but Ifeel like you can't because
there's so many.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
I feel like I already did, like Project Hood.
You know, Hard War BangersBoxing Club is a not-for-profit
organization, Keep in mind.
We fly our opponents out, weput some food in their stomachs,
some money in their pockets.
You know what I mean.
We pay for their hotels, theirAirbnb and we put on
pay-per-view and then we givethem their loan link to make
money in case they want to tryto promote the fights.
Hard Warbangers does so much.
He and he does a lot of greatthings and sometimes he doesn't

(56:26):
get much support.
You know he doesn't get muchsupport.
As far as I actually havesponsors it's incredible because
the same companies I work with,like from Costas right, if you
ever go to Costas Beef overthere, costas Heroes, you'll see
the belt and the shirt hangingup right above the door Harv
Warbanger's Boxing Club becausethey sponsored our events.
They sponsor many events allover McHenry County.

(56:46):
But I have so many differentsponsors from Chicago from here
and I constantly have newcompanies that want to be
involved in what we're doingbecause ultimately it's reducing
the crime.
If you can help just oneteenager out, especially that's
struggling out there in thestreets, you'd be surprised what
that could do.
Because you got people gettingshot all the time in Chicago
Just over the summer.
Because you know you got peoplegetting shot all the time in
Chicago Just over the summer,16-year-old kid just randomly

(57:08):
shot up an apartment complex.
You know why, why, why wouldyou?
just go shoot up an apartmentcomplex.
It's an 8-year-old kid thatpassed away and everybody's
asking why, why would he do that?
And I think to myself, whywould he do that?
But I remember when I was 15,16 years old, I was doing the
same thing.
I'd go to an op's hood, youknow, and the enemy's black, and

(57:32):
if they're having a party, Ihad no problem shooting up the
whole damn facility, the wholehouse.
We didn't care, no remorse, youdidn't care who you hit.
So I wish I would have foundthat change early on in life.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, so I wish I would have found that change
earlier on in life.
Yeah, like I was going to say,like are you happy with how life
has gone, like the epiphanythat happened.
Now you're changing your viewsand you're helping out people
rather than, like you know, kindof like digging yourself into a
bigger hole.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Right, I was just yesterday at the Illinois
Workforce speaking to the mentalhealth and drug court
participants and programs likethis they started not too long
ago.
The founding judge was thereand here I am speaking in front
of judges and people that are incharge of certain things, but
these drug courts and mentalhealth courts they're being
successful because if anindividual completes that,

(58:25):
especially staying off drugs, alot of times these individuals
that have problems is becausetheir drug addiction or mental
health issues.
They don't know how to dealwith issues, so they turn to
substances and it just becomesrepetitive, repetitive and a lot
of times they wouldn't even becommitting these crimes if they
didn't depend on thesesubstances.
So it all coincides.
So those drug courts, they domany things to help.

(58:46):
You got some people on a drugcourt for five years.
You might have somebody therefor 18 months.
It just depends if the drugcourt thinks you're ready.
Some people don't even thinkthey're ready to leave because
they want they want that youknow to people to watch over
them because they don't want tofail again yeah they literally.
I seen it yesterday.
The woman says she's not readyto be off drug court.

(59:06):
She needs it and I'm thinkingto myself, what do you?
Because she knows if she didn'thave it she may resort back to
drugs.
It's going to tear her wholelife apart, because her life has
never been better other than itis now, with having
restrictions and the drug courtobserving and analyzing
everything she's doing.
So it's helping people.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I had a guest on here .
He's my tattoo artist, billyGuns.
I asked if you knew him beforeand you said you did, but he was
in and out of penitentiaries alot too.
And he told me there's thisthing called getting
institutionalized you become aproduct of their environment of
the prison, become a product oftheir environment of the prison.

(59:48):
So did you ever getinstitutionalized when you were
up in a country, or do you thinkyou always?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
stayed true to lucky-chucky my interpretation.
I've heard that word many times.
It's just called beinginstitutionalized, and being
institutionalized is a mindset.
If you're in jail and prison,you don't mind being there.
You're kind of used to it andyou're institutionalized.
That could be in prison ormental health or any care or any

(01:00:16):
facility.
It's not just prison, butthere's many people that are in
prison that areinstitutionalized because they
don't mind being there.
A lot of people live better inprison than they do down the
street.
You got some prison.
Give you a state loan TV, theyain't mind being there.
A lot of people live better inprison than they do down the
street.
You got some prison.
Give you a state loan TV.
They ain't got to worry aboutbills.
They got free electricity, freewater, free cable, right, they
get state pay every month.
They get three meals a day.
They ain't got to worry aboutdoing their laundry.

(01:00:38):
Come in and comes to their celland takes their laundry.
There's many people nowadaysthat are institutionalized,
whether they admit it or not,but me, I've never was
institutionalized, because everytime I was there, I hated being
there.
I didn't mind being there.
Would you call thatinstitutionalized?
Because I knew I belonged there.
Yeah, I didn't mind it becauseit was kind of like it was
normal.
But I never got used to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I never, I never liked it in a sense, you know I
can't imagine like sayingsomeone like, like is okay with
like being in prison theyactually enjoys it more than
being in the street, becauseit's kind of annoying, in my
opinion, because, like, astaxpayers, we're paying uh that
dude to be in prison rather thanto like do something outside of

(01:01:24):
like, uh the the walls and be abetter person, be a good
citizen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Yeah, the taxpayers are paying a lot of money.
A lot of people don't know.
I think it's like $37,000 ayear just to house one inmate in
prison.
Jesus, and just think about allthe prisoners and every jail
and prison.
It's a cash cow.
You know what I mean.
That's not even six days inthat jail for that sheriff.
It's a cash cow.
You know what I mean.
That's like that's not even onsix days in that jail for that
sheriff.
It's, it's, it's a cash cow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
He wants those guys in there because he just gets
more money and more funding andyada yada so when I was watching
60 days and you had a chance totalk to the the warden, the
african-american fellow, I can'tremember his name.
Yeah, he basically said you'renot staying at the Ritz, you

(01:02:12):
shouldn't worry about milk orfood or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Can you back up that other prisons you stayed at did
have those amenities like anapple, fresh fruit, fruit, stuff
like that yeah, yeah, you knowwhat's funny is he kind of like
mocked me when he said that heknows that he has a budget.
He knows that he has to feedthose inmates a proper diet and,

(01:02:37):
in hindsight, even cook.
County jail, every jail, everyprison I've ever been to, they
give you milk every day,especially young men.
Did you know?
In some georgia prisons ifyou're between the ages of 18
and 23, you get an extra servingof milk because they know
you're still growing right, sothey plenish you with more
nutritions.
So when he's not giving thoseguys milk, then he mocks me for

(01:03:01):
not giving them fruit, which ispart of the four food groups.
Right Now, in every Illinoisprison and jail I've been to,
it's not about just apples orfresh oranges, it could be from
a can.
You know what I mean.
They got many cans where theygive you canned fruit and they
feed you properly.
That man took no accountabilityfor his actions because at the
end of the day, the only thinghe's looking at is the dollar

(01:03:22):
and saving a dollar.
Even the food that you seethere, right, a lot of the boxes
, and this ain't no secret, evenin prisons this food is not for
human consumption.
Why does it say that, yeah,they're serving it to us.
He's saving a lot of money bynot feeding those inmates
properly and I exposed him forthat Just like he ain't giving

(01:03:43):
them haircuts or razors.
It's demoralizing.
You have to go to court.
You have to go in front of yourfamily on visits.
Yeah, you're going there with abeard that hasn't been shaven
in two weeks and not a haircut.
You feel like a damnNeanderthal.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
When you say that you mean like you go to a certain
area to get a haircut, theydon't actually give you like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
They weren't even offering the inmates haircuts or
razors.
They offer them there now andthey have to pay for a haircut.
But in most jails and prisonsyou're able to get a haircut at
least once a month and you get arazor sometimes every day.
If you need one, because it'sit, it's, you're a man do you
think that dehumanization islike intentional to demoralize

(01:04:22):
inmates?
I think that he had.
He had no remorse in doing it.
He he take no accountability indoing so.
He admitted that he did so, buthis excuse was you're not at
the Ritz and keep in mindShaquille O'Neal was on the show
.
Right, there's 34 basketballrims in that jail, but not one
basketball Even in Cook Countyjail.
Every prison you havebasketball courts.

(01:04:43):
You have weights available, youhave extracurricular activity.
You know why?
Because when you come homeright, because it's called
corrections, right,rehabilitation.
So when you come home, you comehome a better version than when
you went in.
Now, if you went to HenryCounty Jail and you said you
have, you're thinking abouthurting yourself.

(01:05:04):
You know what I mean.
You're depressed.
You know like everybody is whenthey first go to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
They have no problem feeding your psych pills.
I'll tell you that right now.
And what?
And what are those psych pillsdoing?
Those people making you crazy,which is viewership?
That's fucking insane, man.
And uh, I know you uh have somethings in the works.
Uh, I know you can't uh shareor anything but Lucky Chucky's
going to definitely be takingthe world by storm in a few

(01:05:32):
months, years.
What would you say?
I?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
would say, yeah, the show's pretty much done.
Editing For a fact, I know thatwe did production in Hollywood
back in September for a new showgetting ready to premiere on a
bigger and better network thanthe other one I was on, which is
A&E, and this is actually realTV and they've had one season.
So far it went very well.
I'll be promoting the show,hopefully going on different

(01:05:56):
news outlets with clips of theshow and just promoting it,
because at the end of the daythey're going to have paid
actors reenacting roles from mylife, pretty much exploiting my
past criminal endeavors.
But at the end it'll be aculmination of what I'm doing
now and how change is possibleand how one person can make a
change and impact and inspireothers.
And they're going to highlighteverything I'm doing, from my

(01:06:17):
social media to my marketing andpromoting, to my fighting, to
all this great stuff that I dothat all serves a bigger and
better purpose than what I oncewas doing years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Where do we find you, Chucky?

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
You can find me on Lucky Chucky at TikTok Lucky
underscore Chucky.
I'm on YouTube at Luckyunderscore Chucky as well.
Instagram Lucky zero zeroChucky, and on your local TV
soon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Dude, it's been a pleasure talking to you, I mean
we were all over the place, butI mean, like I feel like that's
your personality, you know, andI enjoy talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I enjoy talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
I just have one question.
Would you say you're livinglife to the max?

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
I'm living life to the max, a righteous life, and
you know I have two mantras thatmy best day in prison is not as
good as my worst day out here,and I always tell people that,
because prison ain't where it'sat, and I always like to end
things as well, because this ismy mantra Don't have a good day,

(01:07:18):
make it a great day.
I love saying that to people.
I do, I do Lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Chucky, everybody, please like, comment and
subscribe on this YouTubechannel.
Life to the Max Podcast.
I had a great time talking toyou.
It was kind of crazy to hearjust like shakes and all this
stuff, because I'm like notfamiliar with this at all.

(01:07:44):
I tried getting familiar withthe show but the show, like you
said, was fugazi.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Yeah, it becomes frustrating.
To real people that watch thatshow it becomes frustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Well, I'm excited for the people to hear this.
I'm the quad father and I'mparalyzed from a neck down,
breathing through a machine, butthat doesn't stop me from
following my dreams and doingwhat I love to do.
I don't got any excuse, andneither should you, let's get it

(01:08:17):
my man Salud.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Thank you again.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
I would.
That's everything, but lookingout for the locusts.
I'm on ten toes Trying to topmy opponents.
Am I the next best thing?
But I think I'm the closest Iwould.
That's everything.
I think you trying to gooutside now though?
Alright, let me put on my shoes.