"Living in a Circus!" Ft Nick Johnson

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You hit that, though.
Is that me and Max In the cut?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
We don't give two shits and we don't give a fuck.
It's what we do.
And shit to prove we livin'life To the max.
Livin' life To the max, justlike my bad guess.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Ha ha, ha, ha, ha, ha , ha Ha ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
ha, ha, ha, ha ha.
Bye, just like my podcast.
All right South Elgin HighSchool gang.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
At the table.
I guess what the fuck was that?
It sounded like a weather app.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Oh shit, it was an airdrop from Hannah.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh, my God, right during the podcast.
Way to go, hannah.
What the?
I definitely got the podcastwith my ass and closed the door.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Sneak peek into the reality of Life to the Max.
There's nurses harassing him.
Jesus, nurses walk all over him.
They just take advantage of thehandicapped man I won't stand
for it.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
We're not going to take it.
I just got here and what I'veseen is fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
We got Nick Johnson on our side today.
Fellas, welcome back to anotherepisode of Life to the Max.
And we got Max's childhoodfriend back at the table and
we're going to dive right intoNick's interview right after the
intro friend back at the tableand we're gonna dive right into
nick's interview right after theintro.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
You know I'm a veteran disabled, paralyzed for
a neck down, breathing through amachine, but that doesn't stop
me from following my dreams anddoing what I love to do.
I don't got an excuse, andneither should you.
Let's get into my buddy, nickjohnson's episode.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Thank you for having me sir.
Yeah, man, we established justa few minutes ago that it has
been 16 years since you and Ihave seen each other, I believe,
so, yeah, 16 years Give or takea year right.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Maybe like 13.
13?
16 years.
Yeah, dude, because high schoolwas 10 years ago, that was 14.
Senior year I didn't see you.
Senior year.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
We did actually.
We had autos together, Did wereally?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
With a bunch of freshmen.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
What was your last memory of Max?
Tell a story about Max.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, the last memory would have been in autos class
because you and I were the twoseniors I was swole as fuck too.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I got strong right.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
That was when I went to Lake Park.
Yo Nick needs to tell thegoddamn story man, it's too
fucked up.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's not much of a story.
We just had autos and it was acouple of dumb seniors and he's
like, yeah, I was jacked rightand I had two bitches around me
right.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
And they were sitting in the front seat while I
worked under the hood in Otto'sclass right, I'm like damn right
, absolutely, that's whathappens.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
And I was back there studying.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I was a good boy.
I was a good boy, that's what Iwas going for.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
No, no, it was Otto's .
We had Otto's together and itwas Otto's 1-1-2, or whatever
they called it, 1-1.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
It was all freshmen.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
And Max.
And yeah, mr Butcher.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I think yeah, yeah yeah, I do remember that.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
So that's my last memory was hanging out in that
class for that first semester.
I mean, I was always late,though I was always late and
that man didn't give a shitabout you and I.
He didn't give a shit about us.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
No, because we were seniors.
He was like all right, whatever, this is a fuck-off class.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, we were on the way out, I actually remember, in
front of Mr Butcher.
We were out in the shop and hehad the whole class out there.
He had everybody lined up andhe was trying to explain
something and one of thefreshmen was standing in front
of you and I just fuckingtalking and talking and talking
and talking and I finallyfucking shut the fuck up when

(03:47):
he's talking.
Man, have some respect for thisman.
You know, I remember you and Igiggling about that, after that,
just because.
Mr Butcher kind of gave me thislook like all right carry on.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
The teacher didn't say shit.
No, he didn't.
He literally just shut the fuckup dude.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, I'm sure the teacher wants to say shut the
fuck up, but he can't say shutthe fuck up.
So if a senior is saying it forhim.
He's going to be like they'reright.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
That guy was awesome.
He would let you bring your carinto the garage and literally
do anything Like literally doanything.
That's what class is for right.
No, like after school, it'skind of like biology, though.
You bring your body in there.
It's kind of like that.

(04:30):
I was in anatomy I did like youknow, like a fetus pig.
That's the closest I've gottento dissecting like that.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I don't know about a human body.
When I was in biology incollege, bro, like we were
learning under microscopes andshit, and they're like, yeah,
you can bring anything to lookunder the microscopes.
And I wish I nutted on thatpiece.
I wish I could see my littleguy swimming.
I should have done it.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I didn't have the courage to do it.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
But I really should have done it Right.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I don't think you were living life to the max.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I was not living life to the max.
You.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
You would have fucking sent it.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I should have just said hey, I got this.
What is that?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Nothing, lotions Bloogie.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, but a good memory , a really funny memory actually
, with me, when I first movedfrom Elgin to South Elgin, nick
was right down the street fromme, literally three houses away
from me, and we were on the bustogether and we were pretty cool
together, you know.
And then, uh, then one day, Iguess, we got angry with each

(05:32):
other.
Was it over football orsomething?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
I can't I can't remember, I couldn't tell you
yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, one day it was like a sequence of fights.
All right Me, I don't throwhands, okay, I sit on people.
When I was in fifth grade.
Right, that was my defensemechanism Effective defense
mechanism.
It worked very well the nextday, Nick.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
The next day.
Obviously I wasn't happy fromgetting sit on and, basically
you know, having to tell him Igave up right as soon as we got
off the bus.
So, god dude, this is so longago we got off the bus.
I don't remember any of thelead up.
I just remember bopping youonce in the face and breaking
your glasses.
Fucking decked me Nice as soonas we got off Just like the day

(06:25):
before.
As soon as we got off the bus.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
It was fucking on Straight doctor.
Did he swing?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
back.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
No, I think that was it, man.
I don't remember it being areal fight.
Turned around and cried on theway home.
I think he collected hisglasses and I'm going to see you
tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
All right, I taped them.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I think I taped them.
I do remember that because Iremember everybody kind of come
up to me and half of them werelike nice, you fucking hit him
in the face.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know it's fifth grade and the other half, like
the girls and shit, are likeyou're a dick.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
I'm like you didn't see what happened the day before
.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Dude, nick, and you know this too.
Don't fucking be modest.
This kid would have girlsrunning.
He would have to run away fromgirls at recess, literally at
Willard, like in elementaryschool.
It was crazy.
Everyone was crushing on you.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I disagree with that I was friends with Brittany
Becerra no Silikowski.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Silikowski, brianna Brewer.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, uh, no silikowski, silikowski her
brianna brewer um, yeah, so thethe two of them and me were like
real close and we would playtag and shit at recess, a lot
like.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I hung out with them primarily so different
perspectives.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
He saw it like I was.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I remember a vivid fucking memory of like every
girl in our class running afteryou yeah, maybe, yeah, our class
running after you, yeah, maybe,yeah, yeah, not, not anymore.
Let me give you your flowers,bro thanks bud I appreciate it
yeah, but uh, yeah, that's whathappened.
That uh, we went our separateways.
You know, uh, he, uh, he'syou're, uh, you, uh, you played

(08:01):
baseball right then you, you gotinto BMX and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I did.
Yeah, I played baseball most ofmy childhood.
Then my last year of baseballwas freshman year of high school
.
I actually played for the highschool team, but I had been
playing travel ball before that.
Yeah you were good, I was.
I was a pitcher For my age.
I was a pretty damn goodpitcher.
I remember it didn't feel likeI was at the time, but thinking

(08:28):
back on how my games went andthe comments I remember from
umpires and other coachesTalking about high school, Even
before high school.
Like 12 to 15.
Basically those three or fouryears.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
What did you pitch?
Like fastball.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Like what kind of pitches or how fast, how fast?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
did you pitch a fastball, like what kind of
pitches?
Or how fast?
How fast did you pitch a?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
fastball.
I don't remember exactly, Ithink towards the end before I
quit.
I didn't have that hard of athrow.
I threw a really good breakingball and I was really accurate,
which, when you're playingbaseball against 13-year-olds, a
couple good, accurate pitchesis all you need.
You don't have to throw it realhard.
I was probably mid-70s backthen Wait, mid-70s.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think Maybe that's crazy, I don't know.
I think I was.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
That's fucking crazy.
I remember throwing over 70,like a little bit before I quit.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Why did you quit?

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Well, I had a combination of I had already
started riding bikes and it feltlike everything else in my life
was getting in the way of doingthat.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Did you skate before or did you ride bikes A little
bit A?

Speaker 3 (09:26):
little bit.
Do you remember Ben Romano, ofcourse.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, so him and.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I started riding together.
I think him and I skated whenwe were probably around the time
you moved in by me fourth gradeor whatever.
I don't know.
I just fucking sucked at it.
I couldn't go as high as Iwanted.
There was at it and it wasn't Icouldn't go as high as I want
like there was something more Iwanted out of the skate park
experience than just, you know,eating shit going two miles an
hour because, of rocks uh, sohim and I started started riding

(09:50):
and that's, that's just reallywhere it took off you guys own
smerry.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
And then crazy dave.
Do you remember crazy dave, theguy with the rollerblader?
Yes, yeah, of course I do hewas insane.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Do you remember kevin ?
There was crazy dave and thenthere was kevin.
Kevin was a little short blondedude no he also would do
backflips and shit okay, so davewas.
Kevin was just like dave, um,you know, older than us and
really good at rollerblading.
Kevin actually was coming tothe st charles park that we were
going to when we got older.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
He was going there for years, so it was cool to
have that little connection withsperry, because Dude, I was so
jealous of Crazy Dave and how hecould just literally do a run
at Sperry and balance on thefence.
He would balance on the fenceand then go straight down the
half pipe Like it's nothing.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
You know what I mean?
He was crazy.
That's why he was Crazy Dave.
He was Crazy Dave.
Yeah, that's funny.
What a nickname.
I don't remember calling himCrazy Dave.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, I think I called him Crazy Dave Was it
just you.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, it was probably me, because I did.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
So you got into BMXing.
When Is this with BrandonWarren?
Is this when Did?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
you just Brandon Warren BMX.
No, no, um.
Is this what the 2000 BrandonWarren.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Is this?
When did just Brandon?

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Warren be the ex no, no, no, he never did.
It was really.
It was really when Ben and Istarted hanging out and I want
to say I want to say it was thesummer between 6th and 7th grade
, which should have beensomewhere around 2008.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
9 is that when you had your first fight at Kenwoods
.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Oh, no In eighth grade.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, we'll remain that guy nameless.
Yeah, we'll keep that name.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Honestly, that's really the only full-on fight
that I've ever been in Why'd youfight him?
Myspace comments.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Myspace.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, of course, man, you're being 14, talking up
shit on my space at least, atleast you walk the walk.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
You know, you didn't.
You didn't just sit there withyou, put your money where your
mouth is.
That's what I like to hear, youknow, I mean.
But uh, so you got into bmxright, and you started uh
feeling a groove.
When, like when did you startlike knowing that, like okay,
like I'm getting pretty good atthis?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
yeah, um, I mean, it's hard to obviously staple it
down, but, um, I was reallylucky to have, um, you know,
like the skate park that that Iwas able to go to.
So there was a skate park in um, saint charles, um called
circuit.
It was actually called circus,ironically, um, and so I started
going there, bugging my parents, you know, at least once a week
to take there's a skate park inSt Charles called Circus it was

(12:31):
actually called Circus,ironically and so I started
going there, bugging my parents,you know, at least once a week
to take me there.
And this was around the timewhere I had my last year of
baseball.
So I had to reconcile that withmy parents, as far as you know.
Hey, listen, I know I'm good atbaseball and you guys think I'm
going to be able to go tocollege and all this wonderful
shit and all these wonderfulopportunities, but I'm just not
feeling it anymore.
You know, the last year I had,I wasn't, wasn't into it.
So, um, you know, being able tohave to, that skate park was was

(12:52):
big, big, big ass ramps andgoing there, um, I was just
lucky enough to make friendswith all the guys that were able
to touch the, the goddamnceiling.
Um, you know, and being superyoung, you go in there super
intimidating, just like anybodygoing to going to skate parks.
You know you take a kid to askate park, they're going to be
intimidated.
They don't understand theetiquette.
Um, it's, the noises are loudand scary and um, but at some

(13:17):
point, you know, in that 14, 15,16 year old range, um, I just
the the park style of riding andjumping as high as I can.
I just got addicted to that.
You know, I really wanted that.
I don't really care what tricksI learn, I want to learn tricks
, but whatever I do, I want itas high as I can go dude that
was.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
You were in the air, like all your pictures were
there.
It was crazy, it was insane.
I was like this dude's gonnafucking get paralyzed, like
honestly, literally like you're,you're doing all this crazy.
And then you got like theseshots on facebook of you like
doing it, then like probablygirls drooling all over you and
shit, whatever you know how highschool is, that's, that's,

(13:57):
that's awesome.
Uh, what was uh so?
How like uh did uh so you andBen, you guys used to BMX a lot,
so how did the circus approachyou?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Ringling Brothers yeah, so I had.
We're going to skip over, wecan bounce around so.
I'd actually done shows.
It was a rider that called meone of my buddies that puts on
shows.
His name is Backflip Billy.
Shout out to Backflip Billy.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Crazy Dan Backflip Billy.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, yeah, I have a crazy Dan as well, but, yeah,
backflip Billy.
So I had done shows with himwhen I was, I think, 15.
I don't think I had my licenseat that time, maybe 15 or 16.
Because he maybe 15 or 16, uh,because he had his own show
company and so did some, youknow, uh, some weekends doing
festivals in in wisconsin orwhatever, um, just doing box
jump shows.
So what ended up happening washe had ended up getting the

(14:53):
contract, um, and was asked tofind another rider.
It's kind of how it worked.
So, um, my experiences with himwhen I was younger just going to
the skate park and thenobviously me working for him
doing shows, I, I mean, he paid.
Well, you know, for being 15years old, I was making $600 on
the weekend, which is like, yeah, I'll skip Friday school.
You kidding me, you know,that's actual money, um.

(15:15):
So I think I just handledmyself well when I was younger
and I was respectful, and so Iwas his.
His first thought.
So, uh, he ended up calling me,um, you know, and the funny
part is and you know, we'llprobably end up getting a little
bit more into it, um, a littlebit here and there, but I I
really wasn't planning on doingit.
When, when he offered it youknow what I mean like when he
called me to do it, I'm like Iwant to go run contests.

(15:36):
That's really what I'm where.
That's where my head was goingtowards with bmx.
Was I gotta go get sponsored?
I gotta go to go ride contestsand if it kills me, it kills me.
This is what I'm choosing to doand I think I could do it.
I think I could do it like allthe other guys do.
But I ended up knowing whatturned out to be our boss in the
circus.
He was the main guy that was incharge of hiring us and
organizing all the logistics ofgetting a BMX act put together.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'd actually done shows with him previously
already out in vegas for monsterjam.
If you guys know what that is,obviously explain it.
Explain to the people who don'tknow monster jam.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Uh well, monster truck shows, right?
Um, so the same company thatowns ringling brothers is, uh,
feld entertainment.
They own, uh, they own, monsterjam.
As far as I know, yeah, theyown monster jam and I think they
own or operate amas thesupercross.
I think I could be wrong onthat, but so through my friends,
because I lived in Californiafor a few months right after
high school, a few of my friendsout there obviously had show

(16:33):
connections and there was a lotof pros that were just in the
house, coming in and out of thehouse, so there's a lot of
opportunities to go and do shows, and so that arose and so we
ended up going and doing showsfor three or four days and it
was the world championship ofMonster Jam out in Vegas
Basically a parking lot show,and we had motocross jumping
over us.
They had like a drift truck,like one of the monster drift
trucks.
There was street bike stunters.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
You're talking super fast.
Tell the people like a detailedstunt.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Take it slow.
Let the people dream of thisshow Dream of it.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I don't remember much from those shows.
Shows are different.
That's the interesting part Iguess people probably don't know
that about riding bikes whenguys are going out and they're
doing shows.
Nitro Circus has stepped it up.
That's why Nitro Circus is asbig as it is, because they're
able to go out there and fall infront of the audience and it's
okay.
That's kind of part of the showthat really pushed the limit as

(17:28):
far as what people are doing.
But you know like.
You learn how to do backflipvariation tricks.
You learn how to do backflipno-handers.
You learn how to do backflip.
You know bar spins and and Imean crazy, uh crazy dad
everybody's got their own bag oftricks that they do and they
all look different doing it.
Everybody goes higher thanother people, so it's a really

(17:49):
subjective thing.
But for the people that don'tknow, first off, this is one of
those things I was talking aboutearlier.
Bmx in the circus is not themotocross motorcycles in the
ball.
A lot of people thought that'swhat we did.
It's not.
It was a box jump showbasically.
So we had two quarter pipes anda box jump.

(18:12):
It was pretty much just allairing out quarters, doing
tricks up there and then doingtricks over the box.
So, taking it in stride, doingthe shows in Vegas and then all
the other shows that we did.
You want to push it as far asyou can, obviously, because you
want to have a good show, butobviously you don't want to get
broke off in front of thesepeople.

(18:32):
There's a lot of kids, um, soit's not stuff I was thinking
about.
But after the circus now it'slike, okay, those are things to
think about.
You know, if I ever go and havemy own company doing shows, uh,
you don't want a bunch ofpeople getting bloody and
getting hurt in front of kids,right, you're gonna push them
away from the sport a little bitum, or their parents, um, so
you, so you went to vegas andthen, uh, that that was like the

(18:53):
defining factor, like to whereyou were, like, okay, we're
joining the ringling no, thatwas, that was beforehand.
So, yeah, what had happened was,um, I moved out to california
right after high school.
Um, there's a house out there,um, it's not there anymore and
unfortunately, uh, burned down acouple years ago, uh, but it
was called ben's backyard, um,and it was a full skate park.

(19:14):
The whole backyard was, and itwas in santa ana, california, um
, and several of my friends hadmoved there.
Basically, this was a housethat for the last 15 years or
whatever, a lot of bmx ridershad come and come and gone,
stayed there periodically.
Um, it's kind of a hub for thatsouthern california bmx scene
right um, so I moved down there,um, did some shows you know,

(19:34):
made friends with, with a coupleguys that you know I couldn't
imagine I would ever meet, youknow, as a kid um, just the pros
and stuff like that.
Um, and then I came backbecause we had to graduate high
school, so I actually skippedout on the second semester of
senior year, at my request to mycounselor, which allowed me to
move to california.
Um, so now what happened was Icame back from california and

(19:55):
then, you know, my whole planwas to go back, but I didn't
have any money because I didn'thave a job when I was out there
you know I was.
I was living, living off theland which are the roommates.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
How were you staying?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I actually had an RV that was parked a non-working RV
that was parked in the driveway.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
That was my room, yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
And so I was there for a little over three months
and I was planning on getting ajob, but I knew I had to come
back to graduate.
So it made it hard because Iyou know, I graduated.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
So I made it hard it sounds exciting for an
18-year-old.

Speaker 1 (20:26):

Speaker 3 (20:27):
It was incredibly, man 18 or 17?
.
I turned Shit.
That's a good question.
I would have turned 18 inDecember, basically right before
I left, I turned 18.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
So you started as a minor.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Right, dude.
That's living life to the max,as a kid, as a kid.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, I sent it out there and obviously I wouldn't
have even been able to move inthere if my friends hadn't
already moved there, obviously.
So I had that connection.
But yeah, I mean theopportunities, man, and honestly
that's something that Idefinitely want to dig into at
some point is just how gratefuland how blessed I've felt from
just being given opportunitieslike that, even if it is just my

(21:05):
homies.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
So you're on a dirt bike.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Bicycle.
Bicycle, yes, and I didn't.
He's doing flips off bicycleyeah, and I meant to prepare.
You confused me because yousaid motocross, say BMX, I think
of a bicycle, and then you saymotocross and I think of a
motorcycle.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, it was me saying it's not motorcycles.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
He went from like okay, either college baseball
he's a badass, he can pitch 70miles per hour when he's 10, or
do backflips on bicycles infront of fucking monster trucks
and shit, he's living life tothe max.
As a kid, bro, I'm 28.
I just started living life tothe max, jesus.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Christ man, this was a long time ago, man, we're all
getting loaded over here it'scrazy that when I saw this shit
on Facebook, it looked like youwere living a second life.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
What did your parents say?
My parents were actually theones that convinced me to take
the circus contract, because Istill had it in my head that I
wanted to go ride contests andthat was the route I had to take
to make a career out of it orbe able to do this full time and
not have to worry about billsand all this other shit in life
that we have to worry about.
You know, um, so obviously,shout out to them, because I

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don't think I would have takenthat, that contract if, um, you
know, they didn't sit me downone day and go hey man, you've
been stewing on this for twomonths, like, what are you doing
?
You're 18 years old, I'm gonnapay you pretty good money and
what are you gonna travel and dobmx show?
Like, go do that.
If you don't like it, you canleave.
You know, then you can go playyour little game with contests
and all that, like you guys are.
You guys are right I should justtake it and you know I'm glad I

(22:43):
did, because it took zero timefor me to be there and meet some
people and go.
Holy shit, you know what thefuck did I just get myself into?
What is it?

Speaker 2 (22:51):
like the circus, Like all right, Like like first day,
Like what was it like?

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, I mean it was crazy.
So I actually went down therebefore.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
So basically I left Where's down there, Florida's
yeah before.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Um, so basically I left.
Where's the other?
Uh, florida's?
Yeah, yeah, palmetto, florida.
Uh, palmetto area is where feldhas their, like their, their
headquarters for, where theybuild their shows and all that
good stuff, so, and I believeit's the second biggest building
in the united states.
I could be wrong on that, but Ibelieve it's.
It's a massive, massive likemulti-unit warehouse that are
all connected um so we actuallywent down there and we we did a

(23:29):
little show for them, um, withuh I think it was rob, nollie
and uh because the all theexecutives were making the show
wanted to see in person whatthey were, you know, signing up
for uh, and they wanted to meetus as well.
So, um, we actually went downthere with all the guys that
ended up signing on with it.
But, yeah, going back to theCalifornia thing, I came back

(23:51):
and graduated and I ended upgetting I had to get a job.
I couldn't afford to go back toCalifornia and that was during
that was the summer where I wasbasically offered that contract
and I stood on it, like I said,for a couple months while I was
working and just kind of being abum at home.
We were working 60 hour weeksgetting paid $10 an hour, $10.99

(24:13):
.
We weren't really able to doanything else.
Later that year, that was 2014,that's when I actually flew
down there and we startedbuilding the show, which is why
it's creeping up on 10 yearsthis year, which is crazy for me
to think about 2014.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
So you're only 18 years old and you're going to
join a circus.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, that I know nothing about.
I remember seeing it when I wasa kid and I knew there was
elephants.
I kind of got the spiel of itwhen we did our little show.
So I was like, okay, at least Iknow we're gonna have a box
jump right.
Because there's a lot of timeswhere you're asked to do shows
but it's just on the concrete orit's little tiny kicker ramps

(24:56):
and it's like, you know, as abmx guy that can jump high on
bigger ramps, it's like, ah,it's not you know.
Um, so it was really good.
It kind of solidified it for megoing down there and then
actually really seeing, you know, meeting all these executives
of that massive corporation andhaving them show interest in not
only us as writers and likewhat we can do, and just you

(25:17):
know, them wanting to learn alittle bit more about it.
You know, with shows like that,they usually have strict rules
on how people look, people'sappearance, all that, and
obviously we're all, we're alltattoos.
Crazy Dan had gauges that wereabout that big.
We're going to have to wearmakeup every damn show to cover
our stuff.
That's the culture, it's yourculture, it's the BMX culture.

(25:39):
We want to keep that.
I really appreciate it I knowthe other guys did as well
because it's important to us.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
This is is what we look like we should look like
what we look like right yeah,you ain't gotta be all corporate
professional when you're doingflips on a bike yeah, for real,
I gotta put makeup on and do aback flip, I mean yeah, the
dancer a lot.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
There's a handful of dancers that were tatted up, and
every day they either hadsleeves or they had to put
makeup on to cover it tell usabout a core memory you
experienced in the circus, goodor bad in the circus?
yeah, I've obviously, um, I havea handful of them, um, a good
one was, um, our uh I won't namehis title in the circus, um,

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but his name was.
His name was david.
Uh, he had recently gotten ashiba inu puppy and, uh, he
lived on the train, so he didn'twant to leave the puppy on the
train.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
What's the trains?

Speaker 3 (26:31):
The train is where everybody, most of the people,
lived.
We can dig into that.
The train's cool.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (26:37):
It's a train, a literal train, so a non-moving
train.
So instead of trailers, you'reliving in a train.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, it moves, though we traveled the whole
country.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Oh shit, it was the longest privately owned train.
That's cool, yeah All right,tell us about the Shibu.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, Shiba Inu.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Shiba Inu A little shithead of a puppy.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
He was adorable Dogecoin.
Yeah, I remember the dog's nametoo.
Look at my memory Harper in thedress in you know david's
dressing room and we're doingour act one night, um, and right
as soon as our act is about toend, um, we're waiting for two
other riders to come in, becausewe ended our act with them
coming in from backstage anddoing flips, and that was how it

(27:18):
ended.
Instead of a rider coming out,there was a delay and there was
never a delay.
Our shit was down, it waschoreographed, um, and then
harper comes running up and I,if my memory serves correctly, I
think harper tried to get up onthe ramp, like and we're
talking in this arena, you knowthere's whatever four or three,
four or five thousand people andthe spotlights are only on our

(27:38):
ramp and this fucking dog justcomes running out and just
starts doing laps around thearena yeah, and so unplanned,
unplanned man, he's performing,yeah and so when, when billy was
back for billy, when he cameout for his front flip or
whatever he was going to do, hekind of just came rolling in
laughing and that was the end ofour show.
The fireworks went off and likethat was the end of our act.

(27:59):
5 000 people thought that wasthe script right like yeah, yeah
and we were the last act, solike they had already seen the
dog act, because there was apoodle act in there, you know,
and this was not a poodle, itwas a Shiba Inu.
But you know, that was one ofthe funny memories, because then
, for finale, for the next fouror five minutes of the show
coming to a close, the rest ofthe performers come out.

(28:19):
Everybody comes out onto thefloor, song and dance, show ends
, everybody's chasingper aroundtrying to get him, uh, and get
him back.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
So that was how does how does the show go?
Like I mean, I like I'm notasking, like go straight down
the wire, but like, is it riders?
And then, uh, the aerialists,and then like, uh, like, like,
who are all the performers?

Speaker 3 (28:46):
and you said there's animals involved as well
elephants yeah, yeah, elephants,tigers, um, there were camels,
um, there were a couple horsesthat we had.
There was a dog act, um, yeah,so a lot of animals, uh, yeah, I
was thinking about it on theway here.
I could probably list off allof the acts, but the way that
the show was set up, um, youknow, we had a pre-show, um,

(29:06):
that was about an hour beforethe show.
That was everybody who showedup early.
You're able to go down actuallyonto the floor and interact
with all the performers,basically.
So that was part of our job was, you know, in rotations, to go
out there.
And we had a little BMX actthat we would do and, you know,
announce it, and I did that afew times.
That was fun.
It was more of a way to just bepersonable with the crowd, and
it's cool that it's before theshow too, you know.

(29:28):
So it was pre-show and thenbasically, I mean, our show was
set up.
A lot of it was act, you know,musical interlude, because you
have to transition a lot of theequipment, and these are all the
details that I just had nevereven considered with the scale
of a show.
There's reasons for all that.
Obviously you have tons ofequipment, even just the animals

(29:48):
moving in and out.
You have to have time for themto transition in and out of
wherever you're at.
So that's kind of why most ofthe show was set up basically an
act, musical interlude of somekind.
They had a whole narrative forthe show as well.
It was like a whole story aboutexploring the world and looking
for the best act.
That was like a whole storyabout exploring the world and
looking for the best act.
That was like our Ringmaster'snarrative, because it's a show

(30:11):
for kids.
It doesn't seem like it is.
I didn't realize it was.
It really is.
It was a show for kids.
We were the last act, thoughDead last.
It was about a two-hour showplus pre-show, so all in all it
was about three hours total.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
So three hours.
So what do you do on tour?
How many places do you go for atour?

Speaker 3 (30:38):
A lot.
I actually asked my mom on theway here because I was
ill-prepared to look up theschedule of it in 15 and 16 to
see.
I used to know the numbers.
I want to say 18 or 20 stateseach year.
Like the first year we probablywent to 18 or 20 different
states.
The next year was a lot ofduplicates, but in a lot of the

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states we did three to fivedifferent cities in each state,
Like we were in California thefirst year for three months
straight.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
What does it feel like to live out of a book bag?
What does it feel like to liveout of a suitcase?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, I had more than a book bag.
My room on the train was I wasactually lucky because I got one
of the bigger rooms on my car.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
You gave the kid the big room.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah, I had to choose between two of them and they
were both decent rooms, so Idon't know how we ended up with
that.
My boss probably hooked us upwith that, I don't know, but no,
it was probably 10 by 10, 12 by12, something like that.
But I had a sink.
I had burners for cooking.
That really Wow on the train.

(31:40):
On the train yeah, not manyother people did.
In the public, cars were, therewere, um, there were larger
cars that were private, meaningthere wasn't a hallway, right?
So what that means was, whenthe train was moving um, each
car had a hallway that you couldtransition and I could
basically walk.
You know, I was in car 31 andpie car, which was the
restaurant car, was 43.

(32:01):
So that's how many train carsyou'd have to walk for me to go
all the way down to therestaurant car while it's moving
.
There's a restaurant on thisstreet.
It was a restaurant car, yeah,yeah.
So let me set the stage alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
This is a community of people.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
There was around 300 total people that were part of
this whole show.
A fair amount of them had RVs.
They were long-term circusfamilies and acts, lifetime
people.
So they have their nice RVsthat they've got and all that
good stuff.
I mean, we're talking 300people that pick up, take
everything to a different cityevery week.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
So we had a preacher priest, whatever you want to
call him Wow.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
So there was mass basically.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
A traveling society of people.
We had a school teacher for allthe kids.
No way, and I don't rememberhow many kids there were, but
there was at least 15 kids.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
What kind of Hollywood movie set up there?
This reminds me of that movie,snowpiercer.
Oh yeah, the train movie.
If you ever follow that onNetflix, I'm not about to
explain it.
No, indeed, the train movie.
I'm not about to explain it.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah exactly no, but yeah, it's a traveling society
basically.
And so, yeah, the pie car.
You know, we had a restaurantcar on the train, which is nice.
Movies are playing and they hadtwo different movies going on.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Was there a strip club on the train?
No, strip club.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Sometimes Was there a mini casino.
There was gambling, wasn'tthere?
Yeah, well, I wasn't old enoughat the time, but was there?
No, no, there's nothing likethat.
What about?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
the girls I know you're married and I want to
respect your marriage, but let'sact like you're not married for
a second just by the appearanceof the girls like the
aerialists, Because I can'timagine a girl that can
basically bend like a pretzel.

(33:52):
That's pretty fucking odd.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I guess the best way to put it would be for the most
part, everybody was in damn goodshape, and most people that are
in damn good shape areattractive.
That's a good way to put it.
Obviously, I was in arelationship the whole time I
was in the circus, basicallywith somebody in the circus.
So you know I picked one prettyearly on, like most people did.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
There was a lot of marriages, so hold on.
He's 18.
Young and driven and he got abig room on the train and he has
a fit and flexible girlfriendtraveling with him state to
state.
Bro, I'm surprised you didn'thave kids when you were 19.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
That would have been something.
That's crazy man.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I mean, you could put him in kindergarten while
you're traveling the country.
Yeah, you got the school Yep.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
The next train over.
It's literally like a society,yeah, like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
And so the the pie car.
Um, you know, the chefs, thatwe had what we actually had a
mobile pie car.
So when we were set up in allthe arenas I mean that's where
we got most of our food on um, Ithink on the three show days we
all got meals for free but youbasically had to pay for it.
It was super, super cheap food,but that's kind of how we ate.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Was it good though?

Speaker 3 (35:09):
It was yeah, it was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
We had a handful of different chefs that were on
there, some of them nicer thanother ones, but we're all.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
The funny part is it's not like.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
And the train is moving.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I'm trying to think about how it was for you maybe
being in boot camp where, likeyou know, the guy that you get
served your food from like he'snot your homie usually right
like he might be but most of thetime you probably don't know
that guy.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
No, no, exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
So I'm like hanging out with the chefs, like,
because what do you do whenyou're not doing?
Shows, especially on the train,runs, everybody lives on it.
So what's everybody doing whenyou're not working?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
you're just wandering around knocking on doors seeing
what everybody's doing is thetrain moving like while you're
like going to all these cars?

Speaker 3 (35:53):
yes, yeah, yeah, so that the train traveled, um, I
mean, you know, uh, state tostate, city to city, um, then we
we called them train runs,basically.
So, uh, most in most cities ourlast show every week was on
Sunday, uh, and then there was aload in which um, I never did
it.
Um, it was, it was optional tomake a little bit of extra money

(36:14):
and help with load in, load out.
Um, I never did it.
So I would imagine thatprobably took 24 hours,
something like that, for them toload in or get everything
loaded out.
Um, load the train up and thenthey lock it up and if you're
not on there it's a problem.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
So you've got to find a way to get to the next state.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, I mean they would lock it up early.
For obvious reasons.
There were a lot of strictrules, so our trains were parked
in train yards in every cityand sometimes train yards
weren't busy.
We were the only track, so it'snot a big deal to be out
wandering around, but a lot ofthe times we're in busy train
yards where it's dangerous to beout wandering around and they

(36:50):
were very strict about that.
So they would lock the train upbefore the train run, like at
midnight on Sunday.
And then they would have to letpeople into it, basically, that
were coming.
You know, busloads of peoplefrom the loadout, but yeah, and
then you're locked into thetrain until you get to the next
place and then they come andactually unlock the doors and
shit for you so you can get off,which sounds like you know

(37:14):
prison or whatever.
But that's actually the most.
That was the most liberatingpart about it.
It was definitely my favoritepart about the whole experience
was just the.
We have three days of travelbasically on this train and
there's nothing to do but drinksome beers, cook some food,
watch some movies, play somevideo games.
You know what I mean.

(37:34):
There's no responsibilities andyou have a half a mile of
people that you can just walk upand down and see what they're
up to.
The best times were train runtimes.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
That's wild bro.
That sounds like a fair.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Maybe you want to go join a circus.
Let's go join a circus.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
That's the last.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
It's not like you're on the Polar Express, bro, Like
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Christ, it's not like a fantasy For real.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
That movie hits different when I watch it.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, like did you?
Did you like think that thatwas how it was going to be when
you were out on the train?

Speaker 3 (38:10):
No, no, to be honest, I don't know what the fuck I
thought before I joined it,except for what I told you guys
before about what my vision wasbefore I accepted the contract.
I had an idea of what it wasgoing to be like, but I don't
even remember knowing that itwas going to be in the arenas
that it was going to be in, andI'm sure I did.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
But yeah, you're crazy.
He's like yeah, we performed atthe United Center.
I think there was like 5,000people.
I'm like dude, there's 22,000people at the United Center.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
If it's fully booked.
If it's fully booked.
If it's fully booked, Okay it'sprobably 5,000.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, I think we booked up Chicago shows, new
York shows.
We would book those up for sure, and we'd have like how does
that feel Like as an 18-year-oldkid?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
you're going into this arena and you have a job to
do, basically.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah, it was a little nerve-wracking.
There was a lot of lead up into, you know, doing our, our first
show, our opening night,basically because we had built
the show, um, and so there was.
I mean, it was just non-stopchoreographic, you know,
learning choreography and tryingto figure out what kind of
choreography we can do, becausewe're all weirdo, bmx guys that
I'm not gonna dance, I'm notgonna learn to dance, figure out

(39:26):
what to do where I can be on mybike.
That was kind of our attitude.
So, you know, thechoreographers had to work with
us.
So, honestly, you know, openingnight was a little nerve
wracking, but it was almost likemaybe getting out of boot camp
a little bit.
I guess it was kind of likelet's just, on the basis of um,

(39:50):
knowing that I'm gonna have todo this like eight times a week
for the next year at least.
You know it was like I want tomake sure I figure out a way to
enjoy this and not be nervous ornot hate parts of it or
whatever of the actual doing theshow because, um, you know, our
act was three minutes long.
It's the last act of the show.
We were in and out of the showthroughout the other two hours,

(40:11):
though, doing other random shit,wearing different costumes,
dancing kind of here and there.
But no, I had done one showbefore that and this is the most
people that I ever did a showfor.
It was at Lambeau Field and itwas a.
I think I ever did a show for.
It was at lambeau field, um,and it was a.
It was a.
I think it wasn't a packersgame, but they had a family game

(40:31):
night at lambeau field, uh, andI think they packed the field.
There was, I think, 77 000people and we did like a three
minute um show in front for thatand I mean, that was like.
I think I put blinders on, Ithink I had tunnel vision the
whole time that happened.
That was I think that was twoyears before the circus, so I
had that experience.
And then it was like when I gotinto the circus, it's like it's

(40:52):
a wall of people, it's kind ofall it looks like, and it
probably took two weeks beforeit was like you almost don't.
It looks like wallpaper, youknow what I mean, and the sound
sounds like it's justpre-recorded eventually gets to
the point where you're notlooking at faces, you're looking
at sections of the crowd.
You just don't even notice, youknow, and like we all knew what
we were doing with our act too.

(41:13):
Um, so it's like, yeah, we feelsilly half the time being out
there with dancing and all thatcrap, but like, again, it's for
kids, like that was really whatwe, we had kind of remembered.
I remember us all telling it'sfor kids.
Let's, let's remember, this isfor kids because it makes you
feel better about it when you'rebeing silly.
You know what I mean, you'relike I'm kind of a cool bmx guy
I like to do cool shit, but umno, it didn't take very long and

(41:34):
it turned into work just likeany other work how many years
did you keep this up for?
Uh, so 15, uh, 2015 and 2016were the two full years that I
toured oh man, how many placesdid you go?
Yeah, I don't know.

(41:55):
Off the top of my head, roughly18 to 20 different cities, I'm
sorry states Probably40-something.
Yeah, because we only had acouple weeks off.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
We had maybe three weeks off, I think the whole
year what?

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, two of them were in December, if I'm getting
my numbers right.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Did you feel like a slave, Like Jesus?

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Not a little bit.
And we were in Brooklyn for twoweeks straight in the middle of
winter and the train froze andthat arena the Barclays Center
is way low underground so youhave to basically use elevators
or really inconvenient stairs togo outside.
So for two weeks most of usslept in our dressing rooms in

(42:38):
that arena and didn't really getsunlight.
Then it started to turn into.
Well, this feels like I'm infucking prison, you know, and
it's just never going to end.
But no, honestly, I mean, theamount of traveling that we did
was really what did it right?
I mean, life is interestingwhen you're in a different place
.
Pretty much every week you gotto find out where the nearest
stores are.

(42:58):
What's the arena like?
What's our week going to looklike?
How's our dressing room?
Some of them are really shitty.
They just haven't updated overthe years and there's no service
, there's no Wi-Fi and all thefirst world problems pop up a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
You're speaking a different language man I've
never heard this.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Have you heard this?
Yeah?
I'm trying to imagine it too soyou said you did it for two
years two years yeah, two yearsand then the show actually
closed in May of 2017.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
So even if I had stuck on, I would have shut down
.
They put a mix on it and justthis year they came back.
What was the circus calledagain circus?
It was.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Ringling Brothers obviously Ringling Brothers and
Barnum and Bailey mix on it.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
And just this year they came back.
What was the circus calledagain?
It was Ringling Brothers.
Obviously Ringling Brothers andBarnum Bailey.
Circus Extreme is what the showwas called, and what year did
they stop?

Speaker 1 (43:47):
It was like 2017.
I was born premature.
The doctor was telling my momlike your son's not going to
survive.
And when I was born they alsothought I was gonna.
If I was survived, I had no armsand legs type shit like this is
95 right yeah and when I wasborn I was like in the newspaper
, it was like a miracle baby,right, and I got a letter

(44:10):
wishing me longevity from thepresident at the time, right
with a lifetime pass to, I think, the ringling circus.
But what I'm getting at is mymom and dad never took me to the
circus that I had the lifetimepass to.
And we lost the fucking letterand we lost the lifetime pass
you know what I'm saying, but Ican say I got it.

(44:30):
And for the people who don'tbelieve me fuck them yeah, yeah
fuck them no yeah, so, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
So our show ended and you know they have Disney on
ice still.
That's still going.
Three of the riders areactually doing Disney on ice and
they're riding their bikes onice.
They've been doing it.
Rubber on ice, rubber on ice.
Yeah, kenny Short.
Shout out to Kenny Short.
He figured out a way tobasically stud BMX tires.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Is this the guy in?

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Japan, yes.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, yeah, we talked to him.
Yeah, we talked about it.
You and I talked about that.
Shout out to that guy.
I mean that's dangerous as fuckman.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Kenny's the man, so he found a way, and he's an ice
skater too.
He's a hockey player, so hereally wanted, I think, a good
solid reason for them to get himon so we could do some ice
skating too.
That's my theory.
But yeah, he figured out a way.
He presented it Cause weobviously had contact info for a
couple of the executive guysthat build those shows and they
liked Kenny and yeah.

(45:28):
So they actually never stoppedtouring.
So you know, maybe at somepoint so was it?

Speaker 2 (45:33):
was it just like a dance, basically like
choreography, like?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
you just have to like do the same thing every single
event for for the shows.
Um, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah,yeah.
So we made the show.
Um, you know, it took us acouple months, like, yeah, it's
about two full months.
Um got everybody to know wherethey're going every single show,
which, how we're gonna ride ourbikes and not hit anybody and
get hurt.
That's all the shit we had tofigure out.
We got hurt a little bit tryingto figure that shit out, but

(46:04):
it's a full production.
We had a full band, live band,every show that played.
We had a fluidity obviouslybecause certain acts, especially
ours, if something goes wrong,the music doesn't line up
perfectly with everything.
So it's a live band, fair amountof dancing.

(46:25):
I mean, I was dating one of thedancers at the time, one of the
Australian dancers.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Of course you are.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
So we had Australians the first year they all left.
And then we had Brazilians thesecond year, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I was just about to ask you you related to your
relationship in the circus.
You know what.
What's that like?
Like I'm over here trying topicture myself as an 80 year old
kid, trying to like be in thecircus, whatever, but like,
what's it like fighting withyour girlfriend on the train?
Or what's it like having thatsupport from the girlfriend
that's in the same fucking crazyworld as you like what yeah, it
was a, it was a crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Um, intense is a good word, I guess.
Um, it was an intense time.
It felt like, you know, in therelationship, in the
relationship and I mean life tooright, um, you know, there's
just so much, so much shit goingon every week and there's so
much shit to do.
You know, some cities you getto a million things you, you
want to go.
Do you know those are the weeksthat, like, we might argue
about what we want to go do orwhatever the case is.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
So you do get free time, so you have free time.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
We had free time.
Yeah, yeah, it was the trainruns.
Right, we did the train runsfrom city to city.
I bought a car, like fivemonths into touring, which
alleviated that.
So instead of actually going onthe train runs, I was just
popping in my car and then wehad anywhere from two to four
full days of nothing Like wejust had to make sure we were

(47:42):
there for the first rehearsal ofthe opening day at that next
city.
So we did a lot of camping.
We called those overlandssightseeing, really whatever we
wanted to do, and that was alsoone of the other things.
Between the train run and thenthe overlands, those are the two
things that were really madethat experience, you know,
phenomenal because we, you know,we're getting paid, so we

(48:04):
actually have the money to goand do shit and drive our car
across the country.
But it's like some, some of thetimes we go, we can go 12 hours
out of the way.
We can go up to Canada, youknow, go up to Toronto, going
from you know illinois to newyork or whatever.
We can just shoot up there, andso there's a lot of that shit
going on where it's kind of likewhat do?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
you want to do this.
You're like living on the run.
Like did you?
How many, how many?
Like pair of shoes?
Did you ever close?
Like were you I?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
imagine he didn't have a lot of clothes because,
you know, a lot of storage yeah,yeah, we didn't have.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
uh, I had a dresser that was actually my nightstand.
It was a little cheap ones fromWalmart that actually fit in my
room, which was fucking keyBecause otherwise I would have
been living out of a littlebackpack or whatever.
But yeah, man it was.
I had more room than otherpeople.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
That's another thing I'm grateful for I have to ask
you like, can people like pointyou out, like in the, in the
public, like if, if you're likeat a, like a gas station, could
they say like what dude you?

Speaker 3 (49:06):
you're the guy who's in the circus with somebody with
a keen eye that showed up topre-show and chatted with me.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, yeah, there's like 500 people wait.
Yeah, we had 100 around, about100 performers 100 performers,
about 200 stage crew.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
It's kind of hard to remember a performer in the
circus.
Yeah, we had about 100performers 100 performers, about
200 stage crew.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
It's kind of hard to remember a performer in a circus
.
There's so much going on yourmind can't keep up with it.
Exactly how many people were onthe train?
500?
.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
No, I don't know how many were on the train.
It was everybody except thepeople that had their RVs,
basically, it was a wholesociety, you're probably talking
around 200, something like that.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I wanted to ask you you're in a circus, right, so
what's some of the strangestweirdos that were in the circus?
What are some impressivelystrange people that you remember
?

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Yeah, there were a handful of people, obviously.
So Feld's got concessionsemployees that they hire for all
the arenas and they were kindof separated and they had their
own little part of the train, um, and there were a couple of
those dudes that, um,unfortunately two two of the
guys I'm thinking of right nowhad passed away in the last two

(50:12):
years, which is very unfortunate, um, but I mean they're decades
into the circus, into traveling.
so, like you know, you're askingabout more, probably more carny
people right yeah uh, therereally wasn't honestly anything,
anything, yeah, yeah, therereally wasn't any experience
yeah, and the carny thing isfunny because we got there and
and you know, all theaustralians are tagging hashtag

(50:32):
carny life and all this shit ourgm comes up one day and he goes
we're not fucking carnies youguys are performers, you're
professionals, you're alltalented.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Set the stage for everybody.
But you know, talking to one ofthe guys his name was Nixon and
God only knows he was probablyin his 70s.
He was, I want to say, 30 yearsor so, 40 years into living in
the circus.
So he didn't have a life yououtside of that.
He had family and shit.
But talking to that sittingdown and smoking cigarettes,

(51:02):
talking to that guy about whatthe fuck he's seen in the last
30, 30 years or whatever, beingon and off the train, all part
of all these different shows andliving out of hotels and one of
those characters that alwayshave a good story to tell that
motherfucker is a book he is ahuman book, you know.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
So there was a lot of those it was.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
It was really a lot of that.
Um, and honestly, we also, likeamericans, we were the minority
100 of minority.
Um, there was.
It was mainly ukrainians, a lotof ukrainians, romanians,
russians, um, so some of theolder guys, like the older
ukrainian or older russian guys,um, you know, get friendly with
those guys and you starthearing some stories as well
about where they're from andobviously very different you

(51:40):
know, from, from how I grew upor whatever.
You know a lot of these guyswere military or, you know, kgb
military, whatever you want tocall it.
You know, back in the 80s and90s, um, there's a couple of
those guys on there.
We're like that guy fuckinggonna kill people, man, it's
like oh interesting, all rightlike I can just imagine the
culture shock you get in thatmelting pot on the train.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, so you start BMXing in eighth grade and then
you get this job when yougraduate high school to be in
the Ringling Brothers, right.
And you do it for two years toall these places.

(52:22):
Did you get tired?

Speaker 3 (52:26):
no, no, I didn't.
Um, I had the opportunity.
We, we only had a year-longcontract.
I had the opportunity to, um,you know, to leave basically, um
, once that second year rolledaround, um, and you know, my
girlfriend at the time had noneof those.
The australians had re-signed,as far as I know, one of one or
two of them did, but she didn't.
And so, uh, you know, I made thedecision that I had fell in

(52:49):
love with that lifestyle, Ithink, more than I had fallen in
love with her, which is a goodway to put it took me a long
time to reflect on that, figureout why, what you know why I
made.
I made the decisions I did.
I was young, you know, um,that's really what happened is,
I think I fell in love with thatlifestyle a lot.
And, um, you know, I'll behonest, I, this previous year,
um, I still made a bit less thanI made back then as far as

(53:12):
salary is concerned.
So it's not like I was making amillion dollars, right, cause
I'm not making a million dollarsright now, but it was.
It was adult wages for an 18year old and I didn't have any
bills, and that was also part ofit.
I had saved fucking zerodollars the first year, because
I didn't need to save money andit was you're just making it and
blowing it.
Yeah, and my thoughts were likeall these people have been doing

(53:34):
this for 30 fucking years, youknow what I mean.
Like the band guy you's, he'sbeen here, he's got his own car
set up Like he's not goinganywhere.
He's got a house and a family.
You know that.
That he goes back to when he'snot touring.
And I'm like I could save a lotof money doing what I'm doing
currently and still enjoy, youknow, being was eating healthy.

(53:56):
I was cooking most of my meals.
I just had fallen into a goodspot where I'm like I could, I
could exist like this fuckinghappy for a long time um that
was kind of my that's.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
That's, that's fucking crazy man.
Yeah, it's so like uh, justjust like uh, so you can like do
a backflip and all that stuff.
Like it was easy.
You never really had troublewith doing your performance.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Not at that point.
No, Obviously everybody's gotto learn how to do that stuff
and there's trials andtribulations to learning.
Obviously We've gotten hurt.
We got hurt a lot growing upriding, but at that point,
getting to that point, I'dalready done enough shows, so it
wasn't like I was shitting mypants every time I'm out there

(54:45):
in front of people um, you know,and then I you have fun with it
.
There were times I I knockedmyself out one of the shows
fucking around trying somethingyeah, not saying I shouldn't
have tried it because it's atrick that I was capable of
doing, but one time right, youfuck it up.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
So you uh, so you go to 2017.
Right and uh, why did you leaveso?

Speaker 3 (55:00):
you go to 2017, right , and why did you leave?
Yeah, so I had a weirdsituation.
I had a knee injury that hadkind of happened in and out of
the circus and we had contractissues going on with some of the
other guys and one of themwasn't going to be able to come
back.
He wasn't going to be offered acontract, there wasn't a slot
for him.
So I was already thinking aboutbringing it up to my boss to
maybe have the circus take careof my knee.

(55:23):
My doctor was telling me medoing shows is making it worse,
and then I needed to fix it.
I had a torn ACL.
How?
did you tear it when I wasyounger, riding a contest, I
partially tore it.
It was extremely painful.
It went away after like twoweeks, though when I was young

(55:44):
enough, I just didn't give ashit to follow up with.
Why did my knee hurt that bad?
Um?
And then actually what?
During one of the breaks in thecircus I was riding at home and
I felt the rest of it snap, butI didn't feel any pain, so
that's actually why I drove.
Yeah, it was.
It was weird, um, but I youknow I can't describe what a
ligament snapping feels like,but I felt it.
You know, I knew something wasup with zero pain zero pain,
zero pain, um.
So I went and got checked outand then immediately basically
got my car after my appointment,uh, and drove straight to Miami

(56:07):
, uh.
So I drove 24 hours straight bymyself, got there, uh, yeah,
that was a, that was a mission,um.
But I got there and I go tosleep and I'm asleep for like a
fucking hour, you know, and mydoctor calls Shit's torn, you
got to come back, blah, blah,blah.
So I already had this plan inmy head.
All right, if I'm trying tomake this a long term thing, I
think I'm going to have tolisten to this guy Obviously
he's a doctor.
Get this taken care of.

(56:29):
So I talked to my boss and thenthe director of the show as well
, saying it's getting worse.
I think it'll be fine with theinsurance and everything.
Like I got you know what I meanlike it is making it worse.
It's not like we're trying tolie, but I said I also want to
make sure that in the time thatI'm gone, you know, my spot
isn't taken from me, because ithappened to a lot of other
performers.

(56:49):
Um, you know, and it's no one'sfault when you get hurt, no one
wants that.
Um, you know, the show has togo on, obviously, so you have to
fill spots.
So it's like, get that.
We're talking about six toeight months.
Um, you know, I kind of want myspot back and so that was kind
of the thing is.
I was like I'm gonna have thisother dude who can't stay here
because there's no room.
Slide in.
You can take my room, all thisshit.

(57:10):
I'll go get fixed and we canfigure out contracts next year,
because it's going to takealmost a year for recovery um
and yeah, in that time I, youknow, I basically went home and
started fighting an insurancecompany that didn't want to
cover anything, and then that'swhen they announced the show was
ending, and then it was like,all right, well, I guess I did
my last show already.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
There's no chance, so did the insurance company end
up holding.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
They would have if I would have followed through in
court.
Maybe if I would have followedthrough in court, I had gotten.
There was an event thathappened that actually ended up
making me go to the doctorbecause of my knee getting
tweaked.
I had partially torn mymeniscus in one of the shows,
and so that was kind of wrappedup in it as well.
But the problem was is that wasin Michigan and so I went to

(57:55):
through a Florida attorneybecause that's where we're felt
is based out of, and it didn'twork like that.
If it's workman's comp, thestate you got injured in, that's
the state you have to get anattorney in.
You got to go see a judge inthat state.
I get all that going.
My mom gets me an attorney andall this shit.
That guy's like it's two yearsto see a judge, bro.
He's like we can do it.
He's like you will get nocompensation until we get it

(58:23):
squared away.
I'm like, okay, so I'mpresented with an opportunity, a
backwards opportunity to sit athome and do fucking nothing.
The Lord giveth and the Lordtaketh.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Exactly, yeah, so that was the end of my circus
career.
So, like we were talking on thephone about the circus and you
told me some dark sides aboutthe circus and we're not going
to throw shade at Ringling, butwe are going to talk about the
dark side, right?
So you said most are likeimmigrants, right?

(58:51):
Romanian, brazilian, serbian,all this stuff, and they're not
treated as well as you are.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Well, interestingly enough, it was less of a
hierarchy based on what you'resaying, right, americans first.
It wasn't really like that.
It felt like there was more ofa hierarchy with what position
you had If you're a performer,if you're a stage person.
I remember talking to peoplewhen we first got in there and

(59:23):
we're trying to, you know, learnfrom the people that have been
there for long enough, like whatis this, what the fuck can we
expect when we start touring?
You know, um, and it was, therewas a vibe from some of like
even just the stage crew people,right, they're not performing
that like we're put on apedestal a little bit, you know,
because we have an act in theshow, you know, and it didn't

(59:44):
really feel like that.
But as far as the people thatwere, like I said, we were the
minority.
So, you know, nobody andhonestly, melting pot's an
incredible way to put it,because that was really one of
the most profound aspects of it,you know, was the community
aspect of it.
We're all from differentcountries, you know, we, we,

(01:00:05):
none of us be, there's like 15different languages or whatever
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
There's so many people that have different
morals and culture, beliefs inlife and you know, when you guys
are all just hanging out andseeing each other as equal, you
learn from so many differentpeople that believe in so many
different things.
Like that's a huge way to growmentally.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yeah, yeah, and it was crazy.
I mean, you know, think aboutthat many people.
I mean, we had a Mongoliantroop as well and I was rather
tight with them, if you want toput it that way.
I loved them, dude.
He was with the Mongols yeah, Ilearned a lot from them.
Their yeah, I learned a lotfrom them.
Their culture is interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Genghis Khan?
Huh, genghis Khan, genghis Khan, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
What's the percentage of their population that's
supposedly descendant of GenghisKhan?
Most of it, I think.
I think it's most of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Yeah, it's most of it .

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Yeah, I had a buddy.
I'll show you Manjok.
When we're done with this, I'llshow you some pictures of mon
jock.
He was my, my mongolian homie.
That dude was a fuckingsuperhero.
I've never met a human that isa superhero.
That dude was a superhero.
So you know hanging out withthose people and seeing even him
, seeing him switch from hangingout drinking beers, you know
smoking some joints with us.
Whatever he's doing, gettingfucking loose.

(01:01:12):
Mon jock was crazy, he would getloose as fuck dude and then you
see him at work the next day,bro Straight face, straight face
.
It's fucking game time.
Those people don't fuck around.
It really made me feel like I'mdown.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
This is time to play, and this is time to work it
really made a little bit ofreflection.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
You know, being around, just how disciplined
they were.
You know all the trampolineguys, the free running guys like
a lot of them.
I mean, we're talking aboutpeople that are stretching every
day, like they're working outconstantly, they're on top of
their shit and we're rolling in.
You know, dan, smoking jointsbefore shows, like just stupid
shit like that, where we're justkind of showing up and doing

(01:01:50):
whatever we do and it justseemed like, oh, we're the black
sheep of this and you know,yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I mean, yeah, well, I mean dude, this, and you know,
yeah, I mean, yeah, well, I meandude, like that's fucking
awesome, like your, your circusstory and you probably just that
was probably just the tip ofthe iceberg and I and I hope to
have you back on and talk aboutthe circus more, uh, but there
is uh one thing I do want totalk about.
Like, uh, you, uh, you decided,okay, I'm gonna get out of the

(01:02:20):
circus.
You started, uh, working, yousettled down, you got a wife, uh
, shout out, page right shoutout to page.
You got a wife, you settled down, um, and now you're uh focusing
on like band and stuff.
And I remember back then whenwe were kids like you know, do a
full circle like back to whenwe were kids uh, I was in your

(01:02:44):
house and you were playingguitar.
I was like so are you aguitarist?
You're like no, I'm a drummer.
So why don't you like shout outyour band and tell me, uh, how
you guys came together?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
yeah, absolutely.
First off, shout out to my wife, because I do have the best
wife in the world.
Every day feels like I'm theluckiest guy ever, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
I'm not trying to get brownie points.
We don't even have that.
We don't do that bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I'm honest, I do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
I have the best wife in the world.
She's bummed, she couldn't behere.
She really wanted to see youNext.
She really wanted to see youNext time.
Yeah, next time We'll be back.
But yeah, no, I actually had aband.
When I came back from thecircus, I started a band with
Max Aldred.
Do you remember him?
Yeah, you did me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Okay, well, oh dude, bring Max in.
He had resting bitch face.
Do you remember?
Did you know Max?
The name is very familiar to me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I think I've seen him supporting me.
Did he have Chinese eyes?
Kind of yeah, they called himGoldstein.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
I think A lot of high school.
Sorry, Max, if no one calledyou Goldstein, it was just us.
My bad.
Max, I love you, Sorry, so Istarted a band playing guitar
and singing for a little while.
That was fun and, yeah, justbeing around a drum set.
I played a little bit when Iwas younger and wanted to pick
it up this is one of the coolestfriends I ever met.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
This motherfucker can pitch 90 miles per hour when
he's nine.
Okay, this motherfucker gets ona bike and starts doing
backflips when he's 17.
He travels for two years on atrain with all types of
different walks of life andkills it until the circus
evaporates.
And then he gets out and he'slike fuck it, let's rock out,
fucking, playing, fucking guitar, drum setting.
And then he gets out and he'slike fuck it, let's rock out,

(01:04:20):
fucking, playing, fucking guitar, drum setting, and god.
And then he gets the best wifeon earth you're living life to
the max, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
You live fucking life to the max and hopefully, uh
like, show your band real quick.
What's your band say?

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
yeah, so uh band is called side rail.
Um, it's a one word.
We are actually in um in thestudio for the second time.
Uh, we don't have anythingreleased yet.
We've been slacking.
We all have full-time jobs andyou know how it goes.
I'm sure you can use yourimaginations.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
You've never had a full-time job.
You've been killing it in veryunorthodox ways.
Oh, I've had a full-time jobfor almost a decade now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm a car, I'm working fucking
tomorrow I'm going to go finishbuilding the deck that I'm
building.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Yeah, you pulled up in the New York carpeter.
I am yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
But no, the band's been going awesome.
Man, honestly, it's kind of thesame thing.
It's a good group of dudes.
That's really what it's about.
We all enjoy music.
We want to write some shit thatother people enjoy Same reason.
I'm sure most people likemaking music, but we've had fun
with that.
We've, you know, done a littlebit of traveling.
We played um a Minnesota showthis year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Oh, it sounds like you got your next episode
already ready.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Yeah, sorry, I just want to ask, like are you happy
with how everything turned out,with, like, are you happy you
did everything you did?

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Yeah, yeah, and it's honestly a good point to.
It's a good point to ask thatquestion because those thoughts
have been floating around.
Like I said, it's almost been10 years since I joined the
circus and it was a bit of alife-changing experience.
But, no, honestly I am, I hadissues with coming home and just
the way that it ended and mejust ending up at home, no money

(01:05:55):
again.
After that experience I waslike fuck, that sucks.
You know I have all thesecontacts but like what can I get
on another show?
It won't be like that, you know, um, so, uh, no, honestly, I'm
lucky to to have, you know, theboss.
I work for a small company.
I'm lucky to have the boss thatI have.
I've been with him for almost adecade now.
Same thing, um, you know he's,he's kept me around, kept me

(01:06:15):
happy and I feel like I haveindependence and freedom and, um
, you know, and, uh, yeah,honestly, you know, page and I
are um, married for two yearsnext month we've been together
seven years in october, so holyfuck man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I thought you got married like two years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
I didn't know seven we got married together, yeah
together.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Oh yeah, so you did get married two years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Yeah, march 30th, march 30th After a five-year run
.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
He's like all right, let's do it.
Let's do it yeah, we weren'tgoing to do it either.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
You're like one of the craziest guys we've had on
the podcast.
You're a fucking character manand I feel like it's just the
tip of the iceberg.
Fucking character man and Ifeel like it's just tip of the
iceberg and uh, you know, I Iappreciate you sharing uh the
little you could about thecircus.
I mean like the choreography,uh, the nationalities you have

(01:07:13):
to like, uh not deal with, butlike learn learn like, yeah,
navigate with like there'sprobably different religions too
, right?
like?
And uh, yeah, man, I you'vebeen living life to the max, for
sure.
And you said you didn't regretanything you did, so that's good
.
No regrets, right no, I have.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
I will say I have one .
I'm sure I have a lot if Ithink about it.
There's's one and he's probablynever going to listen to this
but there's something I did onetime that is not me right, kind
of like punching you in the face.
That's not me.
That's not the kind of person Iam.
No way to circle around.
Spit it out, let's get it, Spitit out.
Yeah, Hammered one nightarguing with my girlfriend on
the Uh well, that's what I wastrying to do.

(01:07:56):
I know one of her but one of oneof our best friends.
He was one of my best friendsat the time too.
He's sitting on the otherfucking on the other side of the
train yard and he's we're allfucking like hammered and he's
just like Nick, you're a fuckingasshole and I'm like the fuck.
Did you just say Nate, it's notme, I'm not this kind of person
.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Alcohol.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Alcohol do it.
So I fucking walk up to him andI get in his face.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
I'm like the fuck did you just say to me, man?
You got the squad full ofMongols behind you.
Yeah right, you got the fuckingsword ready to back you up.
Yeah, no, I headbutted.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
I'm a dick.
I headbutted this motherfuckerwhat the fuck and I fucked his
nose up a little bit.
What happened?

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Is that when everyone got up?

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Yeah, we all kind of just I mean, that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I head-butted him and I remember going in, probably
told my girlfriend fuck off orsomething at the time he's like,
yeah, I head-butted him andnext thing, you know, I woke up
and had a well rest.
I don't know how I went tosleep.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Nate came out and he's like my nose hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
I'm like, oh fuck, I remember that's my regret.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
I'm sorry for headbutting you, Nate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Wow, of all things, that's your regret.
I mean, dude, you're a fucking,amazing, amazing episode.
Thank you for going on.
Thank you for fucking readingmy message, you know, because I,
I, I, we weren't that cool backthen, but now it seems like you

(01:09:29):
know, we're cool as fuck and Ilike that.
You know, I like that and Ireally appreciate you supporting
the podcast.
You know listening and and ifyou ever want to put a guest on,
you know, like the guy atDisney on Ice, if he wants to be
on, let us know we will.
We're ready.

(01:09:49):
Honestly, like we need morepeople like you seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
I got a small list.
I'm sure we can, we can no man,it's been.
Um, you know I'll make it quickand we're wrapping up here a
little bit.
Um, it's been great, obviously,talking to you again, um,
because I mean, we weren't thebest of the best of friends.
You know, high school went onlike that little tiff we had or
whatever.
It wasn't a thing.
I don't remember it being athing.

(01:10:18):
Um, I have fond memories ofplaying football and shit with
you and you know, going overyour house and I remember your
brother being a little littleshithead back then too,
bothering you.
I remember that, um, but um, no, you know, and you know, in the
world of extreme sports, um,you know, there are several
people I know that um are, arein similar situations to you, or

(01:10:38):
you know, life, lifelonginjuries and it's something that
is part of extreme sports andum, it's hard to fucking deal
with, man, you know it is Um, soyou know I I just want to thank
you for messaging me wheneveryou did or I did, whatever
happened to where I'm here nowtoday, um, from the last 15
years or whatever.
Um, it's been, it's been, it'sbeen good and uh, I'd like to,

(01:11:01):
yeah, I'd like to continue beingpart, part of it definitely
come in, look into that cameraright there and, uh, tell
everybody you live in life,you've been living life to the
max, living life to the max andtell the people a message, if
you want.
Well, my name is Nick Johnsonand I was living life to the max

(01:11:22):
.
I'm still trying to live lifeto the max and my inspiration
has been max and it willcontinue to be max.
Because every day, when I get up, especially since we've
reconnected man you know yousaid it on one of the recent
podcasts as well Like it's hardto fucking walk around and bitch
about what Right?

(01:11:44):
What the fuck are we bitchingabout, you know?
And so, in a weird way, that isreally a big part of that
inspiration for me, Because evenlike today, stressful fucking
day at work and I'm driving outhere like fucking snowing you
know what I mean.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.

(01:12:05):
What is there to bitch about?
I get to go be on a podcastwith max.
And what is max doing?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
living his best fucking life, living it to the
max.
That's what this is about, man.
So thank you, thank you forhaving me on here.
Yeah, it's been life to the max.
Uh, please like, comment andsubscribe on our youtube channel
.
Like to the next podcast and uh, we're out.
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