Tim Terrell: Legendary NFL Knockouts and Seizing Opportunities

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Music.
We just tryna get by.
Terrell got to him.
Terrell was there to cover.
There's Terrell, and there's amid-eight coming right there
Bang.
Terrell made the hit.
Oh no, he may be licensed as alethal weapon.

(00:51):
I'll show you the results ofthat tackle.
Watch what he turns around.
Keep the camera on him.
See the red paint on his helmet.
That's from the Atlanta helmet.
That's how hard he hits a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Head on, takes the paint right off the Atlanta
helmet.
Chicago Cubs in terror.
Welcome back to another episodeof Life.
To the Max everyone, I'm yourhost, the quad father,
Maximilian Gross, and today weare going to dive into a very
special person.
This guy has been all over theplace.
He's in the NFL.
He was in the NFL.
He was in the NFL.
He worked with the NFLPA, whichis the National Football League

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Players Association.
He won chapter of the yearsomething.
It's something I really don'tunderstand, but we'll get into
it.
But there he is, Tim Terrell.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
That's right Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
So I've been trying to get you on, man, because my
dad has been hounding me sayingyou've got to get this guy Tim
on.
This guy Tim is going tobroaden your horizons because
you've done so much with yourlife and I'm just super excited
for today and to interview myfriend.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, thank you, buddy, I'm looking forward to it
too, and I don't know if I'vedone a whole bunch in my life.
I've just been given so muchopportunity and I think I took
advantage of that, and I wastaught by a lot of people on how
to take advantage of anopportunity.
Not just get one, but how doyou, how do you leverage it and
and make kind of the world abetter place really one, but how

(02:25):
do you, how do you uh leverageit and?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
and make, kind of, the world a better place.
Really, that's that's all.
That's all it really is about.
You know, making the world abetter place and, um, helping
people like that's that's.
I mean, that's that's what thispodcast for is for therapeutic
reasons and it's to show peoplethat a person like me can still
have fun.
So I'm excited to get to knowyou.

(02:46):
So tell me about yourupbringing, man.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, I grew up in Hoffman Estates.
I'm one of seven kids.
We have five boys, two girls.
I was number five and I'm still.
I would always ask my mom, mom,what were you thinking?
After you even had me, youwanted two more.
I was literally mom.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Mom, what were you thinking?
After you even had me, youwanted two more.
I was literally about to saywhy were people having so many
kids back then?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
My neighborhood, so I'm one of seven.
But my neighbors the Taylorshad 10.
Then right next to them, theLawsons had seven.
Next to them, the Patels hadsix.
My neighbor to my right, welived on a corner the Doyles had
seven, karis's had four,campbell's had seven.
Next to them, the Patels hadsix.
My neighbor to my right, welived on a corner the Doyles had
seven, karis's had four,campbell's had four, ross's had
four.
And then the Gallows were ablock away.
You had to.

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You're kicked off theneighborhood.
If you didn't have at leastfour, you were out of the
neighborhood.
I think they drank and had kids.
I think my mom was doing thedishes when she had me.
It's like honey.
Can you get that?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Bring the scissors.
So yeah, it was like good blockparties.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
We didn't even have block parties, we just had our
parents would have parties andall the neighbors would come
over and vice versa.
So it was just a.
It was truly an amazingneighborhood.
I grew up in Hoffman Estates,illinois, and between Golf,
higgins, roselle and Plum GroveRoad, which is the first section
that was built in 1954 inHoffman Estates.
So everyone had not really comeout of the city yet A lot of

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these people and there werefarms all around us.
So Woodfield Mall we were abouta couple of miles from that and
so, as they were buildingWoodfield Mall in 1972, all
these farms and barns weregetting torn down and so we used
to run, go to the barns andplay in the barns and, um, you
know, and then they built allthe homes out there and, uh, you
know, they started buildingthese homes and, uh, it was just

(04:34):
an amazing, amazing area togrow up.
We weren't by any means a loadedbut man were we loaded with
with love and these friends andeveryone kind of going through
and plenty of friends to hangwith.
And you know we would the oldstory with, you know, staying
out until it got dark.
We were literally I used to eat, standing up so I could get
back outside, you know, fordinner, and it really was fun.

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It really was just so much funand there's so many and we're
all still in touch.
The neighborhood is still intouch, and it's there's so many
and we're all still in touch.
The neighborhood is still intouch and it's there's just so
many stories there.
I don't even know where tostart, but.
But we just have had just anamazing life and and my mom just
passed away a couple years ago,she was 93, lived a great life
and a lot of the parents are,you know, unfortunately are all

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gone now but still pardon me ourrecipes to your.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, thank you.
She was a good one man.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
She was a great lady.
So yeah, I was one of seven andyou know we all.
My oldest sister was mentallydisabled.
She had the mentality and she's70 now.
She's our oldest.
Then my brother Tom had flatfeet.
My brother Mike was a diabetic.
I was okay.
Joe was okay.
My brother Pat was born with nochin and born with two holes in
his heart.
So there were a few issuesthere but we never really knew

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it In the neighborhood.
It was one of these thingswhere we were kind of raised by
the whole neighborhood and tothis day I bring Kathy back to
the neighborhood and I alwaysdid when my mom she was still
alive.
She had to move out about sixyears ago.
Live, uh, she had to move outabout six years ago, but so she
was there from 1954 to um 2015or 14, or right around there.

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That's really we go back and weit's like we never left.
Yeah, it was just a great, agreat um.
In a nutshell, that's kind ofwhere I grew up and then, you
know, played all sports kind ofthing.
So I don't know how in deep youwant me to get.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I uh actually wanted to ask you uh, when did football
enter your life?

Speaker 3 (06:30):
I, we played.
So I went to saint hubert'sgrade school and in third grade
and on we always played footballoutside.
A lot of the kids that I was inschool with, especially mr
rooney, dan dan rooney, hisfather, was a coach and at third
grade those guys were playingtackle football.
I didn't play till sixth grade,why I don, I don't know, cause
we'd play in the parking lot atSt Hubert's and I always did
real well and they're like yougot to join.
So I finally, at 12 years old,I joined the commandos for two

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years and then did really welland then with the Raiders, sixth
, seventh grade with thecommandos, then the Raiders we
were called the Raiders, theHuffman States Athletic
Association.
I wasn't running back and justhad a lot of fun.
Then went to to high schoolfrom there and played soccer,
baseball and football was areally good soccer player, but
then any.
After eighth grade I had tokind of make a choice and I just

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went with football.
I ended up making the B team,which I was really pissed off at
until we played the A team.
And then I hit a guy on the Ateam and I was about you 85
pounds and I got knocked out andI'm like, okay, maybe I belong
here.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
But yeah, what's a—?
No, that's really good.
You chose that because ithelped you in the long run.
But what I'm trying to ask is atypical, you know, like 70s.
You know, when did you go tohigh school?

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I went from 75 to 79.
So I think I, yeah, my freshmanyear was 76, 77, 78.
Yeah, and then 79, I graduatedand I played baseball and
football at that level and thenafter my junior year I just went
all football and then,unfortunately, my you know, I
did okay, I was starting runningback my junior year at Conant
and it wasn't anything realspecial.

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I was pretty good, I did welland I was looking forward to my
senior year.
And the very first day oftraining camp I was doing a
drill running around my hand andtore ligaments in my just tore,
a little cartilage actually inmy knee.
So between practices I couldn'tstand up, my knee was locked,
so I was done.
I had to have surgery.
It wasn't anything major, but Imissed my senior year.
And then from there is reallykind of where the story starts,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
So your positions?
You were a quarterback?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
No, not in high school, or not even when I went
to junior college initially.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
So I was a running back.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
So I went from there, I sat out.
You want me to kind of fill youin, right?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
now.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
So from there I sat out a year, sat out two years.
I went, you know, I graduated.
I used to install carpet.
So I was installing carpet, Iwas going to Harper Junior
College at night and I worked atDominic's Grocery Store.
And then my second year I wasstill, you know, I was not
playing, I didn't play footballagain and I was going to Harper

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and so I sat out 78 and 79, 80,79, I went to Harper night
school and then the next yearI'm like I miss it I went and
found the coach at a.
He was actually at a carnivalin the area and I said, coach,
I'm going to try out for theteam next year.
You know I'm Tim Terrell,whatever.
So he's like, okay, whatever.
So I ended up showing up andended up making it as a starting

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running back in junior college.
I was working at Dominic'sgrocery store and and, uh, you
know, I mean and I'm like I justmissed football after two years
of being out.
So I went to um, uh, I went topractice and ended up, uh, ended
up doing well, made the team,me and another running back, and
after three games he convertedme.
He goes, tim.
We had four quarterbacks and Inever played quarterback.
He goes, tim, you're going tobe our quarterback next week.

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I just thought I was a goodathlete, so sure enough, they
were not happy.
The other four quarterbacksbecause I'm starting as a
quarterback now and then I endedup long story did real good
that year.
The next year did even betteras a team and as an individual.
I got 12 full ride scholarshipsout of Harper, three as a
quarterback, nine as a defenseback, cause I was a.
I was a, I kicked off and Ipunted as well and I'd probably

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make most of the tackles.
I was just a very aggressive,pissed off quarterback and I
loved it, and so.
I got recruited by nine schoolsas a defensive back and three as
a quarterback, and NorthernIllinois was one of them and
Bill Mallory was a lot like aWoody Hayes, an Aero Parsegan, a
Bo Schembechler, a Mike Ditka,a hard nose, no nonsense coach,

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which I loved.
I don't come up with an excuse,Just get over it and do it
different or you're gone, and Ilove that approach and that's
what I've really learned.
When I first got to Harper,Coach Eliza was very much like
that the junior college coach, agreat person who made a lot of
men that came out of thatprogram.
Now a lot of guys walked outbecause they were they just it

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was too hard, but a lot of guysand I went on and got a
scholarship at Harper inNorthern Illinois and as a
quarterback there and then thatwas.
I didn't expect what was goingto happen next.
It was incredible.
Nothing's ever too hard if youput your mind to it and that,
and it helps if you have apassion for it.
You know, yeah, I had this.
It was I've never done a drugin my life, but if I did, I it

(11:11):
was like probably doing a lineof coke or or something like
that.
I was just so I got such adopamine rush in my head that
it's unexplainable the feelingthat I felt.
And just at the junior collegelevel even then I go to Northern
and and, uh, I ended upbecoming the starter at Northern
right away Again.
Uh, my second year, I uh, Ididn't know what was going to

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happen.
I mean, I know starting and, um, we were picked six in the Mac.
I ended up winning the MVP ofthe team.
I won the Jefferson award.
I won the player of the year inthe Mac conference.
Our team won the Californiabowl and it wasn't me in the
player of the year in the Macconference.
Our team won the Californiabowl and it wasn't me.
I'm just saying that because itjust kind of I got chosen, I
don't know, but there were nosuperstars on our team.
We, we were truly a team thatplayed together and we won.
And all of a sudden sort oflike what Northern did a couple

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of weeks ago they beat NotreDame.
We went in and beat Kansas ourfirst year, you know and there
were no supersized, but everyone.
And it's the old definition ofteam.
I mean, if everyone does theirjob it's such an overused phrase
, but if you do, things happen.
We found their weaknesses inKansas especially, and I was

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running all over the placebecause they ran this wide
tackle six, blah, blah, blah butwe attacked it and coached us
up and everyone just did theirjob, not trying to do anyone
else's, and the way that it allunfolded, the lessons that we
learned and we're having a,we're meeting up.
We got a whole bunch of guysmeeting up for Northern's game
this Saturday, but it was reallylearned how to play as a team
and understand it Like I justdon't have to do, just do your
job.
I certainly didn't lead theleague in rushing.
I didn't lead the league inpassing.

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I was one of the top optionquarterbacks in the nation, but
I wasn't anything I.
But I ended up winning theseawards and our team did well and
and.
But when you look back at itit's like it was a team.
It was such a team, and in thebusiness world it's the same
thing.
If everyone just does their joband spread the, the, spread the
um, uh, the, the accoladesaround as well, it's not just

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you and so uh.
But it was a dream playingunder Bill Mallory and that
whole team that I was with in 83.
We were the California Bowlchamps.
They talk about it this day.
We played four home games,three home games.
They tore down five goalposts.
It was so unbelievable.
The fans sold out.
It was five goalposts and theycouldn't.
They didn't get the sixth onebecause Coach Mallory ran out on
the field, was telling thestudents screaming at him

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Picture Ditka.
He's like Ditka running outthere.
If you remember any crazy coachlike Woody Hayes, he coached
under Woody.
He wasn't crazy, he was just sointense and it transferred into
the business world and footballfor all of us.
But five goalposts in threegames Two in Bowling Green
because we came back from 20 tonothing, two in Toledo because

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that was when we clinched it,and then one in the last game of
the year because they justwanted to do it and they were
trying to get the second goalpost and the coach is chasing
the kids off the field.
But it was a.
You should have seen it, it was.
I mean, at that age I'm likewe're 20 years old, 21.
It was unbelievable, it was adream.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
No one.
I mean I can't imagine.
I always tell people if I wouldever want to live in a certain
era, it would be the 80s.
That certain era, the music'samazing.
The football was amazing,everything was amazing.
It was I mean the Bears won afucking championship in the 80s.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, and I got to tell you that story right away.
I got to tell you that oneearly, let's get it over with.
So I told you I installedcarpet.
So going into my senior year atNorthern, I installed carpet
all the time and Jim McMahon, mybuddy's father, was doing the
plumbing.
Jim McMahon was redoing hiscondo and so I just kind of have
.
I was joking around and said,lou, could you have your dad see

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if I can get an appointment andsell Jim the carpet?
And he goes, yeah, I'll ask him.
So he ends up setting themeeting up.
I'm like you gotta be kiddingme.
And I'm like have you ever seenChris Farley interview Paul
McCartney?
That skit he does, where he'sso intimidated he can't even
talk.
He's like Paul Paul, rememberwhen you said live and let die
in that album?
You didn, you didn't die, didyou?
And Paul's like no, no, I'mright here, chris, I'm right

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here.
You know he punches himself.
Anyways, I was so intimidated.
So, anyways, he sets themeeting up to meet Jim McMahon
and sell him the carpet.
So I go there, I bring twofootballs with me for him to
sign.
So I go to McMahon's housebefore my senior year at
Northern and I get to his house,I walk in and I'm like, oh my
God, and Jim's standing therewith his wife she's pregnant
with their first kid, sean.
And so I walk up and I, hey,jim, nice to meet you.

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And he knew I played atNorthern, going into my senior
and just talked a little bitabout that.
And then I said I'm going to godownstairs and measure and I'll
be back up.
And so I measure everything.
They get up and they pick out aBerber carpet in case you were
wondering it was and uh, so, um,I go, well, good, well, we got

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the job, tim, so we'll just setup a time.
So, blah, blah, blah.
So like, okay, I shake his hand,I turn to walk out of out the
door and I go, oh my god, I gotthe footballs in the car.
So I turn around real quick.
I walk back up to him, I go, oh, and nancy's right there, his
wife.
I go wait, jim, before I leave,would you sign my balls for me,
just like that.
And he starts laughing his assoff.
He goes down to anita's wife'slaughing.
He's like sure, tim, you wantme to sign your left foot?
I go idiot, no, no, I have twofootballs in the car I mean,

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would you sign my footballs?
He's like go get the balls.
So I do, and I go on to get thefootballs, blah, blah, blah.
So then we play out that seasonand again I I won the, the mvp
of our team, and then I won thewhat's called the jefferson
award, the most valuable playerin the mid-american conference.
What do you um?
What's called the JeffersonAward, the most valuable player
in the Mid-American Conference.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
the Mid-American Conference, the MAC, the MAC
Conference, the Mid-AmericanConference, mac, it was my first
time hearing about it yesterdaywhen.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I was reading your bio.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah, so the MAC Conference.
And so he ends up calling mymom at home, gets my number at
school and calls me at schooland and congratulates me on
winning this award in the season.
I'm like, how cool is that?
You know, jim mcmahon called meand I already done the job and
it was beautiful, wow.
And he signed two footballs.

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He signed my balls.
So how many people can say theygot their balls signed by
mcmahon?
I got, balls are signed bymcmahon, so anyways.
So I haven't seen jim.
So now I go into the NFL, Imake it with the Falcons.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
My rookie year.
You're going way too fast.
Well, I got to get to McMahonwhen I went.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
So I'll finish it, but this is just real quick.
This part of the story, so Imake it my.
You know I get cut but I end upplaying by my second year in
the NFL.
I was our captain of our team,so I'd go out for the flip of
the coin, so it was me, geraldRiggs and Rick Bryant, who was a
number one pick, and I was thecaptain.
So when we went and played theBears in Chicago so it was
Walter Payton, jimbo Covert,Sean Gale, gary Fensick and Mike

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Singletary with the Bears andwe're shaking hands.
I'm out there and I'm like Ican't believe I'm playing
against Walter Payton, jimboCovert and the 85 Bears.
And so we shake hands, we flipthe coin and I start running to
the sidelines and I hear thisTimmy, timmy.
I turn around.
I haven't seen McMahon since Icarpeted his house.
He's like what the fuck are youdoing here, dude?

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I said I made it, man, I madeit.
And so he's laughing.
He's telling everyone, as theywere kicking our ass, that dude
was putting carpet in my housetwo years ago and now he's the
captain of their team.
So we lost 36 to nothing.
I thought if we would have justheld out and not started the
game, we would have tied them.
They beat our ass and then theylost against Miami the next
week.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
But I had to get that story in For everybody who
knows Jay McMahon it was thequarterback for the 85 Bears.
That was the last time theBears won a Super Bowl, just a
full disclosure.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
And just Jimmy Mack was just such a fun.
You know everyone, a lot of youhave heard but just a
fun-loving, goofy great guy.
And he still is.
I still see Jim.
I just had dinner with him twomonths ago.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Wow, well, that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
That was hilarious.
Yeah Well, that's amazing man.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, I've definitely watched a lot of documentaries
on the 85 Bears and it's likehe's just there with his
headband.
You know, just to Jimmy Mackand everything.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Pissing off the commissioner.
Yeah, he wasn't supposed to bedoing it.
He wasn't supposed to Roselle.
He put it one of them.
He put Pete Roselle was ourcommissioner and he put his name
on it After he put it one ofthem.
He put the pete roselle was ourcommissioner and he put his
name after he was reprimandedfor it.
He, the next week he wore peteroselle and he got fined, I
think, for that and uh, but macwas just harmless fun so um were

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you surprised when you won thejefferson trophy I was.
I was when um, so it's it, itwas.
It was all the most valuableplayers of each team, so I think
there were 12 teams.
So, sorry, I hit the mic, uh,there's 12 teams.
So, um, when I got there, therewas a guy named Brian McClure
from Bowling Green.
I thought he may get it.
This other guy, brian Pillman,flying, he ended up going to

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world wrestling after that.
He was a stud.
So I talked to a few guys andone of them it was kind of funny
because Brian Pillman, when Igot there all 12 of us were
sitting up and it was BoSchembechler was the one who
gave the award.
He was a coach at Michigan, youknow, amazing guy.
So I walked by, what's his name?
I just said it.

(20:01):
I just said it.
It was, um, I just said it.
I just said it.
Uh, it was, uh, I gottaremember the guy's name.
Um, uh, flying brian pillman.
I'm sorry, flying brian.
I think it was at miami of ohio,how you?
Miami of ohio?
I think he was there and he wasa great, great player and I
thought he was going to get theaward.
So I, when I got there, I saidbrian.
I said, did you bring yourspeech for tonight.
You know, he kind of laughedand stuff.

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So when they finally called myname and the winner of this
award, as I was walking up tosay a few words, I stopped at
Brian.
I said, hey, dude, can I borrowyour speech?
Just kind of I kind of laughedand kept going and I'm like I
wasn't expecting it, I reallywasn't, I just didn't.
I didn't expect to win, youknow, the player of the year at

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a lot of awards.
I think that I got.
You know, I just didn't.
I never looked at it as like,look at me, I liked the
attention, but it was reallysuch more of a team thing
without these players doing this, without these receivers,
without the running back we hada running back that ran for over
a thousand yards that year Idon't do the things that I can
do and some of the good thingsare, you know, and so I just
never felt it.

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So it was such a shock to me toget an award like that, because
there's there's 11, there's 10other guys, you know, and and
that's really how I looked at.
But I feel so honored to havewon some of these awards and
stuff and and then just to evenplay in the NFL for seven years.
It's just mind boggling to me.
It was such a I was unconsciousjust about every day I was

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going to ask you like whichaward are you most proud of?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
But I think you're most proud of your teammates.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
I am.
I mean just so.
I just am honored to be able tohave played at that level.
I can remember waking up in LA.
I rented a house I actuallyrented at Brady's and I was with
another team.
I just remember I'm playing onthe same team as Eric Dickerson
is and I would sit in practiceand watch.
I wouldn't sit, but I'd watchEric Dickerson run the ball and
I'm like how the hell did I makeit to this level where I'm on

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the field?
I feel like sometimes I feltlike if I, if they find out I'm
on this field, they're going to,I'm screwed, they're going to
get rid of me.
I just couldn't believe I wasthere and it was all because of,
kind of, with what you're doing, with what you're doing, you
know what, there's a grievingperiod or there's a time where
you can come up with excuses anddo whatever, but the bottom
line is dust your shit off andget back to work.

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And so I failed.
I didn't need to be told twice.
I mean, I just knew that if Idid this, I usually got this and
, as I look back, very rarelydid I take second place in
anything.
If I didn't, I didn't.
I just didn't like it.
I didn't like basketball, Ididn't.
I could play soccer, butbaseball I was okay, but
football I just I had this, thisrush, and I just the drills we

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did, I started excelling at anddoing well and and you know, and
it's a good feeling and I and Ijust loved it.
So that combination of lovingthe game because there's a lot
of guys that get to the levelthat are way better than me as
athletes and thank God theydon't have my tenacity, my, my,
my love for the game, cause itgot a lot of these guys, even at
the pro level.
You should have seen some ofthem that weren't starters so

(22:59):
they'd have to play specialteams and they'd look at me like
timmy t man, I don't know howyou go run down like that.
Okay, I don't want to do it,man, I don't want to do it and I
just loved it and, um, and Iloved it everywhere I went and
it and it's it's like a good ora bad attitude.
Both of them are contagious.
Which one do you want to be apart of, right?
Yeah, that was like more, likejust to be able to experience

(23:22):
all the not just that, but butmeeting like a Brian Johnson
from ACDC and becoming friendswith them.
It all piles into all theseother opportunities I get to
meet people and then I just geta kick out of it, especially
when they're cool, especiallywhen they're humble and there's
gratitude involved when I meetsomebody, because it's not about
me, it's about God how can Iand I have this incredible

(23:46):
passion now and I was talkingabout the car wash thing,
because I went through the carwash today and the guy that I
become friends with not him, butthe other guy he goes Tim, you
are by far our favorite customer, you're always happy.
I, he goes, you are by far ourfavorite customer, you're always
happy.
I had it.
And he was telling me all thesedifferent people that come in
that do you need any help withputting in your report?
And some of them are like, no,get away from it.
He was just kind of laughing.
But and it goes to I don't, Idon't do this for the attention.

(24:11):
I don't want the.
I don't.
I don't need or want the, theacknowledgement that, oh, you're
such a good guy, but I want tobe able to make people somewhat
feel a little bit how I feel.
So the only thing that I can dois carry forward.
What was given to me.
None of this stuff was what Idid.
It's an understanding, like I'mso proud of what you've done

(24:31):
and I've talked with your dadmany times and about you and how
much he loves you and is soproud of you.
And I know you, you know youhave.
There were times it was reallydifficult and I just can't
imagine.
But to see what you've done,that's inspiring because it's
not talk.
It's not talk, and I mean somany people.
It's like you know what Ialways say.
It's like losing weight andsaving money.
It's not hard to do.

(24:52):
Let me give you a real quickseminar weight.
Burn off more calories than youtake in.
Thanks for coming everybody.
Now let's talk about how yousave money.
Make more than you spend.
Okay, bye, that's it.
The hard part is doing it.
Just don't, if you don't have,don't spend it and then, or get
a job that you do.
It's not complicated.
I don't need 30 books to tellme how to lose weight.
I don't need 500 books to tellme how to save money If you

(25:12):
can't afford it, or look for abetter opportunity.
And if you've been throughadversity, you know, like you
said, you haven't.
You failed a lot too, but thosesuccesses like you know what I
look back now.
I look at some of the stupidshit I did and said and it's not
funny and I'm not proud of it.
But if I didn't learn from it?
And learning from it means I'mchanging I'm not.

(25:33):
It's like saying you're sorry.
You know the difference betweensaying you're sorry and making
amends.
When you say you're sorry,you're just saying hey, you know
what, tom or whoever, I'm sorry, I did this, I said this, I'll
try not to do it again.
And that just buys time tillthe next time.
You do the same thing without aplan to change and say you're
sorry again.

(25:53):
When you make amends, it meansI'm not the person I used to be
and I'm changing my ways basedon I'm in therapy or you're
working with somebody that canhelp you change because you're
what got you there.
It's like when I go to the, andat every level, whether it be
work or the football field.
When I got to junior college Ididn't know if I could play.
At junior college I got a coachthat showed me how to take it

(26:13):
to that next level and then Iwent to a four-year school that
took me, showed me how to takeit to the next level.
And I'll tell you, if I wasn'tready for the pros then and I
knew how to take it to the nextlevel, what I thought and I did
and I just and it took two weeksto get that respect, but I was
tearing it up- my first week incamp.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
What was the transition like?
Going from a JC well, highschool to JC and then to D1?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
college.
God, it was so similar.
It was this feeling that Imissed.
You know, you can't just createdopamine by sitting around.
You got to take chances, right.
And that good dopamine you knowwhat I mean, you know that
adrenaline rush, that feeling wefeel that's exhilarating,

(26:59):
whether you're doing drugs oryou're doing something.
You know the dopamine is whatwe come back for, right.
And in junior college I likethat.
I miss football and I wanted to.
I don't know if I'd be any good, but I wanted to go be around
the guys and do it.
And I did it.
And it got even better atNorthern Illinois.
And then we started winning andwe're surprising everybody and
it's like this is unbelievable.
And then you know, and then Imeet Jim McMahon.
I'm like this is so cool.
And I met a couple of other proathletes.
And then, and then you go intothe pros and I'm like, oh my God

(27:21):
, I remember sitting in thefirst meeting Billy White, shoes
Johnson, steve Barkowski, jeffVan Notte, willie Curran, fulton
Kuykendall, mike Kinn I sawthese guys on TV as a kid and
now I'm in the same room withthem, I'm on the team.
I mean, I was like I'm like, ohmy God, I was scared to death.
I'm like why am I here?
And then you go out and you dodrills and you start running

(27:41):
drills and you start learning alittle bit and you see how they
do it.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
So I was going to ask you was this a real moment when
you found out you were going tothe NFL?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Well, I was looked at by Dallas, seattle, green Bay
and then the Falcons Dallas,seattle, green Bay wanted me as
a strong safety because I was soaggressive and I think I would
have been a pretty good strongsafety because I really was
aggressive.
And then the Falcons wanted meas a running back.
I thought the odds would bebetter because I ran the ball a
little bit, but I knew it wasspecial teams.
I would have to make my mark inspecial teams and they held
their special team stuff up highand so I tried there a camp.

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We ran a one-back offense,which means you're not going to
carry really many running backs,you're only running one-back
offense.
You don't ever use two backsunless it's your urgent goal
line.
So we had four number one picksreally, or number two Gerald
Riggs, william Andrews, lynnKane and Richard Williams
they're all studs and we hadnine rookies running back, two
drafted and then me.
I was literally last on thechart and I saw that and I'm

(28:37):
like that's changing and but.
But the key point for me thatwas changing was I had through.
I was a quarterback and Isprinted out a lot in college,
right, so I'd throw on the run.
So we were going against ourfirst defense and I happened to
be in on a play or I saw thecards they're giving.
We're holding up the cardsbecause we're third, 10th string
, whatever and we're giving thedefense a look.
So this one was a half.
Well, that's all I did wassprint out and that's what I did

(28:59):
in college.
So I said I got this one boys.
So I ran, I pushed everyone outof the way and I'm in on this
play.
So he pitches the ball back tome.
I sprint out like I'm running.
So the defense comes running up.
I got a backside post by AlfredJenkins.
I stop and throw his perfectstrike touchdown against our
first defense.
I they don't know who the hell Iam.
I'm a rookie and they're likeand they're all high-fiving me.
You know the offense, becausewe just beat our defense and the

(29:22):
head coach said to me thispissed me off and this is a
turning point for me.
I had just won player of theyear in the conference.
I won the MVP of the league ofmy team.
Our team won the CaliforniaBowl.
I had blah blah, blah, blah,blah has done that and they have
.
I come back and the coach, asI'm walking by him, the head
coach says me hey, tyrell, youmust've been a high school

(29:42):
quarterback, huh.
And I'm like close coachcollege.
He had no clue of what I haddone in college and I went to
bed.
I didn't even fall asleep thatnight, I was so pissed off.
I go this guy doesn't knowanything what I've done.
And so my the next day I gotout and I got about three fights
, which weren't just fights, butI would knock the hell out of
these veterans Because I wasreally.
Because if you've ever seen themovie Vince Papelli, what are

(30:03):
you trying to make a statementabout the Invincible?
If you've ever seen Invincible,a lot of it was like that.
These veterans want you tochill out, dude, take it easy.
I'm like, yeah, because threeknockouts where she showed the
coach, showed everyone the filmand that's the.

(30:26):
If you have saw my highlightfilm, it's on there.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
And it was just, it was so ballistic.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
It was so ballistic, it was so crazy, it was a hit
Like I if I could run faster, Iwould have.
I would knock them out cold.
I would knock people out,including myself.
And in camp I was like that.
And the coaches after threeweeks.
All of a sudden it took me twoweeks.
This respect from the veterans.
They don't fight me, they'relike this kid's contagious.
How do we?
We've been four and 12 the lasttwo years.

(30:50):
This is what we need.
So before I got, before the lastcut, Steve Markowski came up to
me and he said and SteveMarkowski came up to me and he
said and Steve Markowski was a10 year veteran, he played more
than that, was a legendaryquarterback, played at Stanford
and with us for years.
And he says Timmy, uh, he goes.
God, I, I, I heard you were aquarterback.
I have never seen anyone astough as you come into this

(31:12):
league and play like.
I'm like Steve, thank you, I'mlike.
But I don't see it.
I didn't say that, but I waslike what the hell?
And then the next day, van Notte, jeff Van Notte had played 17
years.
He was the center, bit a beard.
He was probably going into hislast couple of years.
He's like hey, tyrell man,congratulations on making the
team, we need you on the team.
Well, I didn't make it.

(31:32):
Yet we still have to cut 10more guys and I was literally
the last player that had to becut because we had a lineman go
down.
We already had the four backs,everyone else had been cut out.
Of 150 guys trying out for theteam, we kept 65 or whatever it
is, and anyways, they cut me andthey called me back three weeks
later, but because we had alineman go down and then they
just made room for me and theyimmediately made me the captain

(31:52):
when I got back the next year.
But it was, it was somethingthat I didn't.
I just didn't see any of it.
And I still look back and um,oh, what did it feel like when?
you got caught.
I knew, I knew well, here'swhat, here's what happened.
So I get, he goes.
Timmy, we got to let you go.
It was 12 o'clock, the door,the deadline was 12 o'clock.
So I get the knock at the doorright at the deadline, the last

(32:12):
player and he goes.
Timmy, he was pissed, he goes.
I'm sorry, we got to let you go, he goes.
You're not going to last out,you're going to get picked up
pretty quickly.
Well, sure enough, I got threecalls when I so, anyways, I'm

(32:41):
going to be ready when you callme back, I'll be ready.
He goes.
Oh, believe me, I know you will.
I went in and then I went andthanked the owner.
I went and thanked Taylor Smith.
He was the son's owner, butTaylor was a good guy and I
thanked Taylor for theopportunity.
And as I was walking back to myroom, our strength coach ran up
to me and said Timmy, this isbullshit.
Blah I that when you're cut,you're just like I didn't.

(33:04):
I wasn't mad, I knew I couldplay at that level.
I've proven that I can play atthat level.
That's really the main thing.
I, and that's what I felt.
I was cut five times in the NFLand I played seven years so I
got cut three times with theFalcons because, again, because
I was a special teams guy, so itwas a little bit fun.
Well, the one time they cut.
The third time they cut me theywere going to call me back the
next morning because that's howthey did it and they ended up.

(33:27):
I got a call that day from theRams.
They see, on waivers you haveto go on.
The Rams picked me up and flewme out and I'm now playing and
playing with guys like KevinGreen, mel Owens, jackie Slater,
irv Pinky, eric Dickerson,kevin Green.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Eric Dickerson Just studs.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, it was just such a great, great time.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I can literally see the passion coming out of your
eyes with thinking of back then,the experiences you had, you
know, and uh, I kind of want todigress and like I go through
like a college game compared toan nfl game.
So is college, uh, like morelike wasn't.
So like people say, okay,you're, if you're in the nfl,

(34:17):
you're playing for a paycheck,right?

Speaker 3 (34:18):
well, no, no, god, well, I, I guess I never I would
if I was in the NFL.
You're playing for a paycheck,right?
Well, no, no, god, well, I, Iguess I never I would have.
If I was my own agent, I wouldhave played for free.
I did not care about the moneywas no issue, I just wanted to
play.
I loved it so much, but thespeed is ridiculous.
The speed at which we played in, and keep in mind, I've never
I'm playing in the NFL now as afullback from a quarterback and
I was a running quarterback, soI got hit a lot too.

(34:39):
I always tried to dish it out.
I wasn't that big though Ishouldn't have been, because I
could barely lift my arms nearthe end of the season was a
quarterback because I tried torun people over and I would
succeed sometimes, but I wasn't.
I mean, I don't recommend it,especially because I got to
throw in the whole deal, but thespeed was unbelievable.
The talent was just crazy.
I couldn't believe I was therewhen I'm competing against these

(35:00):
pros, the talent was wow.
This is a level I didn't youknow.
You just don't, I don't know, Iit's not that I doubted myself
but I I'm like how the hell, ohmy God.
But my attitude and my abilitygot me through, but a lot of it.
I just had a contagiousattitude that was so ballistic,

(35:20):
and so I want to win ateverything and I'll do whatever
I can.
Coach Robinson, with the Rams,used to tell me before kickoff
Timmy, we need you to set thetone, which means we want you to
just knock somebody out, or wewant you to make a big hit,
which is what I would typicallydo, and I would, and it was kind
of an honor to be able to, andhe would show film, but the

(35:41):
speed is what the difference, Ithink, was for me.
And then, of course, it's sucha different position.
I didn't, I went into it justlike, as when I went in as a
quarterback.
I'm like, I don't know if I cando this, I'm just gonna start,
do it and the coaches see thatyou can and you like you.
You know you would identifymaybe someone who could.
You're like you.
You would be good as apodcaster or you would be good
as whatever your talents wereback in the day, as when you

(36:02):
were in the, the also runner.
Yeah, you know you, you see andyou're like.
And the kids, it's fun whenthey don't realize it because
they're coachable and they,they're going to be so amazing.
So I think, um, I, I don't know, I never knew I was that I
would be good enough to do this,yeah well, you did it, man,
which is the most amazing partyou know, and I have to ask,

(36:30):
when it comes to being in theNFL, what was like concussion
protocols, like back then?
Well, you know they, I was ableto.
So I knocked.
I was knocked out cold and Iknocked the other guy out too in
Tampa one time, but I got up onmy knees and I fell back.
It's actually on film.
You can see it, um, which oneof the clips I sent you and

(36:50):
you'll see me fall back.
And then so pride more and Scottcase, and they were on kickoff
team with me and as we got tothe sidelines I was okay, I got
back, I was out, I was out coldfor a second and then I got back
up and then they, they told thetrainer, this is 1984.
They told the trainer, um, andand he goes, terrell, you're out
.
I go.
No, no, I'm not out, I'm fine.
You know, they took my helmet,so I talked them into giving me

(37:14):
my helmet.
I wasn't, I wasn't, I just gota ding.
I mean back then it was a ding,but there's been many times
where I had to four games atleast, where I had to miss the
next game Cause I was, cause Iknocked myself out.
So the protocol was if, um,when I was in San Francisco I
hit Ronnie Harmon's brotherMichael Harmon, I think his name
was in Candlestick park.
I was out.
I laid there for a long timeTim, are you with us?

(37:38):
And I'm like, yeah, and theygot follow the finger.
So I'm like they're followingthe finger and keep your head
straight and follow the finger.
Do you know where you're at?
And I looked up at thescoreboard.
I said yeah, I'm in SanFrancisco.
They said you're done.

(38:04):
So I, if anyone did, I had.
You know you have a ton of them, but you really don't know.
I hear that all the time.
Like how many concussions didyou have?
I'm like you talk to anyonethat played on the same team
with me that tarot wouldprobably have the most if we
were really keeping track.
So we really weren't.
But, uh, knocked out.
I at least 20, 30 times jeezmore in practicing games.

(38:26):
You know just not.
But I just was like, oh, I hopeI come too, because I want to
do this again.
Do you want to just get knockedout?
again well, usually it was a bigcollision and it was a probably
a good play.
But I just wish I was there toremember it.
I didn't feel it.
You like saw it on film Amazing, amazing, because what John

(38:46):
Robinson did and what DanHenning did too.
So one time before, keep inmind.
Now I'm there.
So I'll give you the one examplewhen I was with the Rams had
this amazing game, I had threeKOs, but a lot of times the guys
don't see it because you'reflying all over.
So Coach Robinson would takethe highlights of the game
before we'd start the meetingfor the next game.
So on Wednesday we would haveour team meeting and everyone's

(39:07):
in there.
He goes.
Okay, guys, I want to show youguys how to play special teams.
Keep an eye on number 32.
And I'm like oh were just, hewas kind of being half-heartedly
funny.
I'm sitting right next to EricDickerson and I go down and we
were playing in I think it wasSanford, I don't know.
I lit somebody up and then Idid it on punt team and on a

(39:28):
punt return, where I was settingup a block, I knocked some guy
completely out, a lineman.
Of course he didn't see mecoming, so I was able to knock
him.
It was like a Redwood goingdown.
It was hilarious.
I hit him so hard and because,believe me, if these guys brace
themselves and they saw mecoming, at times I would be dead
.
But anyways, he pointed thiswhole thing out and Dickerson
turns to me.
He's sitting right next to me.

(39:49):
He goes dude, you are crazy.
And I'm thinking to myself howcool is that?
Eric Dickerson just said I'mcool and I'm a great player.
You know he's not a greatplayer, but he's just.
They kind of admired it, but itwas.
It was such a thrill to bepointed out that you were part
of the team, that I'm doing mypart on this team and and that
someone acknowledges you knowthat you're, you're doing a good
job.

(40:13):
And you know I was the firstalternate in the Pro Bowl two
years that.
So it was really cool to beacknowledged that.
And one time we're playing theSaints.
And what's his name?
The old coach with the Saints?
Buddy Ryan, Not Buddy Ryan,it's a big Southern guy.
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry Ican't remember.
I'll think of it.

(40:33):
He's a legend and he came up tome before we're stretching out,
before we're going to play them.
He goes, hey, Tyrell, he goes,take it easy on us today on
special teams.
And I'm thinking, oh yeah, okay, sure, Thanks, coach.
Because he said we voted foryou for the Pro Bowl is what he
said.
And then he said take it easyon us, Because the team votes,

(40:53):
the team usually the specialteams guy on their teams will
vote and say who do you want torecommend?
So the Saints recommend, blah,blah, this guy.
Well, in during the game theyput a guy on punt team.
I'm on punt team, so I got toblock.
They leave their defensivelineman in there.
This guy picked me up and threwme aside and he was going to go
block the punt.
I ran after him and tackled himand thank God he didn't break.

(41:16):
I got a penalty but they kindof set me up.
He was like making me feel likeI'm the man you know, and then
they left a big guy in there forme to do it.
But just any form of respectthat you get from your peers,
from people that have been thereand done it, know the work that
you have to do, and then theluck you know, a lot of it is
luck, but I don't know how Ididn't get hurt I, and I would

(41:37):
think about that all the timeand just thank god that I'm not
and to this day my knees, hipsand everything's fine I mean,
you're talking about knees andhips.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
What about your neck?

Speaker 3 (41:46):
neck is pretty good as well.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
It is in like your neck, like there's a lot of
spinal cord injuries that happen, well when when I was knocked
out in san francisco they mademe do a neck x or uh x-ray.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
So when I went in to do it, it was my fifth year in
the league and the doctor saidto me he goes, timmy, you have
the neck of an 80 year old man.
This is when I was 26 or 27years old and I'm like, oh, I
feel good, I mean, but but he,he did say that and I was like
wow and um, and I, my fifth year, third year, in 1987 or 88, I

(42:20):
got shots of cortisone on bothshoulders for every game.
So I would get a shot becausethe shoulders were so just
messed up, but it felt good andI haven't had knock on wood
again To this day.
I haven't had any issues myknees and hips and I talked to
all the guys and every one ofthem has at least two knees done
or their hips done.
So let's knock on wood here andhopefully that happens.

(42:44):
But it's just I don't know.
And that's the other reason Iwake up every day, bud, and I'm
inspired by guys like you, I'minspired by anyone who's had
their total back against thewall and I'm like, how do you
recover from something like thisor how do you do this?
My friend, jimmy Gallo, wasparalyzed from the waist down,
started with Chicago WheelchairBulls, first wheelchair pilot to

(43:05):
come out of U of I, got hisaccounting and finance degree,
went back and got his degree injournalism.
This guy went on to run andbuild companies and buy and sell
companies and it reminds me ofyou.
I'd love for you to meet himsomeday.
And he just simply and he wasthe most inspiration.
When I was inducted into ourHall of Fame at Northern, I
couldn't even get through myspeech because I was talking
about my inspiration, wasthinking about Jim and how he

(43:25):
was able to do that at 20 yearsold In 1980, he was 19 years old
and to accomplish and I wasinducted like 15 years later I
had gone through the pros and Iwas just thinking and I look at
that and I'm like that'sinspiring.
I think I have it hard.
What about Jim?
How did he get through this?
You know how do you do it.
In the bottom line, there's agrieving period and it's not for

(43:48):
and we all need help and weneed to reach out for different
things.
But then there's a point whereI got to start.
I'm putting a studio together.
Look at you in here.
This is amazing.
And what you're doing, dude, Imean the people that I'm going
to introduce you to and theother players.
They need to meet you, theyneed to see you.
As a matter of fact, I may wantyou to come and talk to our NFL
chapter meeting and have youcome in as a speaker to talk to.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I would love to yeah, I would definitely have to do
my research.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Well, we'll get you.
But who knows?
But believe me, it is.
You know, it's amazinglyinspiring, because I can't.
I had a friend who lost adaughter in college 10 years ago
.
I still don't know how they geton.
She's the prettiest girl Ithink I've ever seen in my life
and just a horrible accidenthappened and she's gone and I'm
like, how do you go on with thekid?
And I just got a group together.
And I'm like, how do you go onwith the kid?
And I just got a group together.
And I'll end with this I'msorry I'm using my hands, I'm
hitting this damn microphone.
But I have a friend of a friendof mine.

(44:44):
I work for this lightingcompany and she sails in there
and her boyfriend is an olderguy they're older and his
granddaughter was killed in acar accident and you may have
heard of this.
The kids were 17 year old,driver, and the girl was 12
years old and two and theircousin, the driver, was 17.
You know, they were at a churchteam meeting, okay, on 59 and

(45:06):
Plainfield and they were pullingout of there and they got, they
got hit and and the bags wentoff.
All everyone was okay.
They're between the highway,they're between the lanes.
I guess he was pulling out andthat's how it happened.
The airbags went off, everyonewas fine.
The little girl.
He got on the phone with hisdad calling his dad.
Everyone was fine.
The little girl gets out of thecar she was scared, runs from

(45:27):
the car, gets hit by a car andkilled.
Can you imagine?
Her name was Gia and it was Mia.
It was Gia, I think and I got10 NFL players.
They did a soccer thing for herabout a month, two months ago.
I got 10 players to go outthere and we they did a
fundraiser for a charity, whichis what Gia wanted it to go to.

(45:52):
But I and I talked to theparents and I just I can't.
I don't even know them.
I can't even understand howthey go on with their life.
And they have another daughter,mia, who's 10, who's stunning
little stud soccer player, andthere was about a thousand
people out of this event.
They did it out that way forsoccer.
They all signed up and I saidthe only thing I can do is look

(46:12):
if we can ever be a part of anyfundraising you're doing as
players and carry the message.
And carry this, this message,that what they're doing is just
keeping a little girl's legacyalive, by which is what you're
doing, you know, and by youractions and seeing what you're
doing, it's like you think youhave it bad.
Go meet Max.
You think your shit's bad andit's.

(46:33):
If you're not inspired by that,max, I just, you know you move
on, you just, and that's what Idon't.
I don't, I don't spend a lot ofpeople a lot of time with, with
um, I mentor a lot of a lot ofpeople, but if they're not ready
, if they want to still keepdigging, when you're done
digging and you're done, want tostop this bullshit, I'll help
you, or I can give you somesuggestions that have worked for
me, right, because there's amillion ways to do things.

(46:53):
But anyways, I'm, I'm, I'mamazed at how, and inspired by
what you're doing and what thesefamilies can do.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I appreciate that, I really do, and yeah, I'm a
little speechless right now, butso when you were, how long were
you in the league?

Speaker 3 (47:14):
man I was from 1984 to 1990.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Okay so.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
I was two and a half with the Atlanta Falcons.
That third year they cut mewith the intentions of bringing
me back the next day and theRams called me that night and I
flew out to LA.
It was really fun.
And then I was with the.
I got let go.
I got signed by the Bills.
They gave me a signing bonus,so I signed with the Buffalo
Bills in camp in 1989.
I got released.
I was one of the last playerscut and picked up by the

(47:39):
Steelers and played 89 and 90with the Steelers.
I got cut in 90 with theSteelers.
When did you decide to like hangit up?
Hang up the cleats?
After I got cut by the SteelersI was going to get picked up by
somebody because I really I hada great year.
But they had drafted a BarryFoster in the fourth round and
they ran a one back offense aswell.
They had Merrill Hodge and TimWorley.
They had their back set up andthen about a week later my knee

(48:03):
locked again just a littlecartilage and I had to have
surgery.
Well then I tried the next yearand it just I wasn't.
It wasn't right.
It was just time to go.
Your body kind of tells you.
I knew it was coming but Ithought I could get a couple
more years up.
But seven was the average, wastwo or three I think.
Now and uh, and especially backthen, uh, max, it was
ridiculous the it was more likeabuse and I don't mean that in

(48:25):
any bad way, but it wasridiculous.
Way we practice practice two adays were so stupid.
The amount of hitting we did itwas.
And now they do a walkthroughand that type of thing and it's
uh in the morning and then youpractice in the afternoon and
you're not.
We just hit way too much waytoo much.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
But what's the difference between 80s football
to now?

Speaker 3 (48:44):
well, they have rules now where you can't have in two
days, you don't hit both days.
I believe there's a certainamount of practices you can hit
and they define hittingHopefully not like we were.
We were full speed, you know,going nuts.
So they changed those rules andthat's for the for the better
is just not as much hitting.
You know I don't like that.
They took away the kickoffthing because that's how I made

(49:07):
the team is by by me showing myaggression on kickoff team, so
it would have been tough for meto do it then it makes sense,
but I don't like it either.
But I do like that.
They're just not beating theguys up as much during the week.
That's the biggest thing thatwe would just get the crap.
I mean it was ridiculous.
We played four preseason games.

(49:28):
I didn't care, I loved it, itwas always my chance.
But but the difference was isthat the hitting was the biggest
thing for me that I see, whichis, which is a good thing.
I've gone to training camps andwatch how they do their things
now, but when you're a guy who'son the edge, who's who's not a
blue chip guy in the league he'strying to make a name for

(49:48):
himself, you want live as muchas possible because you may look
good out of equipment, but whenyou get it on, that switch goes
off, it's over.
That's where, early, where Iwas able to shine, that's you
know.
But that would be the oh, thankGod they did it too.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Oh, I know, I watch games from back then to now.
It's like night and day that'swhy I had to ask you?

Speaker 3 (50:13):
because they protect the quarterback very well, and
they should, and they reallyshould because they're it's just
, they just should becauseyou're vulnerable.
I mean you're throwing the ball, I know, but then the dream is
the D-lineman that's their wholedream is they want to get.
But some of the hits, the waythey hit these guys and threw
them around back in theseventies was ridiculous.

(50:34):
In the sixties, I mean, theywould lift them up and slam them
on the ground, which you justyou know.
So they slowly took away someof that and they I think they
make a bigger deal out of itthan it really is, where, uh, if
you can get to the quarterback,I know, uh, with some there's
millions of dollars.
Now too, there wasn't that kindof money either For them to
take a hit when they're in sucha vulnerable position right

(50:55):
after you're throwing the balland you're just, you know it's
pretty to watch, but if you'repaying a guy $200 million a year
and he's hurt the next week,it's not good.
So it's a, you know, I don'tknow what the balance is, I just
do.

(51:17):
It's good that they they'rehitting in training camp and
practice during the week too.
They really lightened up on alot more than it and then, and
getting hit and how you'retackling guys too, it's for both
sides the sparing thing.
You know, back in the day, whenthey didn't have helmets or
they just had the leatherhelmets, they didn't hit with
their head because they didn'thave the protection.
So instinctively, you don't,you know what I mean.
So I think that's what they'retrying to get to, not that point
, not to that extent Moreshoulder.
More shoulder, yeah, so it'scool to watch somebody get lit

(51:39):
up, but when they're just aboutdead.
It's not cool and I've been litup.
I'm not always dishing it out.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
It's like the tables have turned completely.
Yeah, but, um, so when was it?
When was it a time to, like,you know, hang it up and like,
how, like, how did you?
Was the progression, likegetting out of the league, um,
and also the like, the growingof a family, having a family,

(52:09):
you know, yeah, that's a greatquestion because it's hard,
because you're like I saidearlier, you're, you're.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
I started preparing maybe that seventh year, like
I'm like I don't know how muchlonger I want to do it, but I
don't know if the body will.
When I got when I my knee I gotinjured.
I was trying to train to go thenext year because I was going
to be.
No one's going to pick me upwhen I'm still hurt and I wasn't
signed with anyone and then Ijust said I've got to just call
it quits.
Um, do, what do I want to do?
Do I want to go into coaching?
Do I want to go into selling,maybe, fitness equipment to

(52:37):
something to keep your toearound the environment?
You know what I mean.
Like you can't play anymore.
Do I want to coach?
I don't know those coaches.
You know, one day you're in NewYork, it's, it's too ballistic
of a career.
So I know, if I didn't play inthe pros, I may have wanted to
go into coaching.
But I did a lot of events and Ido a lot of camps and things
like that, so that that gave mea little bit of the fix to stick

(52:58):
around it.
And then I was a president ofour chapter for the NFL PA, the
Chicago chapter, and so I wasstaying connected for all with
all those guys.
Later on I did that, but Istayed connected with our.
We always have a Chicagochapter, but it got better and
better about 10 years after Igot out of the league and then I
it just started getting betterfor everybody.
Where it was more, the guyscould stay connected with the

(53:20):
league, find out about all thedifferent benefits that guys are
getting, whether you're vestedor not vested.
But the transition was.
You know it was tough.
I remember I went to work forKaiser Fitness equipment
initially because we used towork out on Kaiser equipment,
which are air machines, andthey're amazing, they're the
best in the industry, but peopledon't understand it.
So it's like a Nautilus or aCybex or a body master.
It's just that it's not aweight stack, which is your

(53:41):
resistance.
Your resistance is compressedair and it works the same way.
Only you can train at any speedwithout the weight becoming
ballistic.
So it really worked, for only10% of the population worked out
and it worked for the mothers,the women, the, the bodybuilders
.
The athlete, the regular personwouldn't work out.
It's not intimidating becauseno one knows what you're doing.
So there's all these thingsthat were great and it was like

(54:03):
wow, if we could sell this to agym.
Uh, because then it hits thatwhole area rather than just
having a gold gym or apowerhouse gym which just the
bodybuilders go, and it scaresaway a lot of people because
these guys are all like ah,spring break you know, you know
and anyways it turned out I.
So I went into that.
I love the equipment but wejust simply couldn't sell it.
Um, because it was more of a.
You had to explain it too muchand the gym owners didn't really

(54:26):
get it, even though it was soexpensive and it's still the
greatest stuff out there.
They use a lot for rehabbecause you can train at any
speed with the resistance, whichis you can't with weight.
You can't because it becomesballistic.
You know the weight goes flying.
So you got to go two seconds up, four seconds down.
So I did that for a coupleyears.
It kept me around athletes andsports, so you went into sales

(54:47):
went into sales, yeah went intosales and then um had my own
company where I would buy andsell commercial fitness
equipment.
I buy used stuff and I try tosell.
Then I became a recruiter,which was really like a team
type of thing, because you itjust was.
The business model was set up avery much like a team.
Your company worked together.
You didn't just place people,you didn't just write job orders
.
You had to get people sent outon job orders, you had to

(55:09):
introduce, you had to findcandidates and you had to get
new business.
It was just such a tough jobbut what a great tool to learn
how to sell.
So I did that for eight yearsand loved it and traveled all
over the world.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
It's like a full circle.
It always comes back to yougiving back, man, and I really
really like that.
Yeah, that is this wholeconversation.
Like you haven't, you've beenextremely humble and you've
always gone back to giving back.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Oh God.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
So, without being such, can you give me an example
of what it's like to be in theNational Football League, the
NFL?

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Well, just to be a part of it.
It's such a badge of honor andI say that in a very humble way.
So, for instance, when I wentto a meeting through the NFL and
early on, when I first got out,a lot of the older guys were
still around, a lot of these old, crusty, angry guys.
They would bitch and complainabout this and that and this and

(56:18):
that.
And I would think to myself,guys, and I finally said
something, because we had like25 guys these are some legends,
I wouldn't even tell you whothey were and they're bitching
about this stuff.
And I go well, guys, there's aprotocol of how you go about
getting what you're asking for.
Why don't we do it?
And so they got out of it.
We formed a 501c3.
So we had to form our own 501c3because the NFLPA can't be

(56:40):
associated with us doing stuffbecause of liability issues.
You just can't do it.
So we basically had the sameguys, but we decided to form a
foundation where we could fundeight $12,000 scholarships for
kids and three youth footballteams.
We would give them $10,000 apiece.
So we would do it throughrunning a golf outing and that
type of thing, one of the thingsthat I, I, I.

(57:00):
What I tried to portray is saylook, guys, we're influencers in
this world, whether you like itor not.
And I said it's not about usbragging about this, it's not
about us.
Look at me, I can do this orthat, but look at the influence
we have and the things that wecan do.
So I got, I found a friend Iwent to high school with.
She went to law school, she wasour, so she became our attorney
.
I said would you get ourbecause we were using Illinois
dollars?
And she set us up with our501c3 properly and we have a

(57:34):
golf hunting.
We would do autograph signings,so I would call.
So I started trying to showthese guys how can we leverage
your, your contact, your, yourNFL stuff with making the world
better.
And also, you guys are going tomeet a lot of business owners.
I ended up meeting the YPOgroup in Chicago.
Now, if you don't know what theYPO is, a YPO is a young

(57:54):
presence organization.
It's a bunch of men and womenwho are multimillionaires.
And you got Gary Rave, you gotRaybine Paving hooking up with a
, with a, a chimney sweepcompany, and totally different
businesses.
They they are in a group thatthey qualify to be.
In order to be in a YPL member,you have to be the president of
your company, the CEO orsomething.
If it's a product or a service.

(58:14):
You got to do 12 million or 20million in business, whatever
which one is which.
And then you've got to be under55 years old.
And so Gary's teaching this guyin a chimney sweep company who
had the company bought thecompany from his dad for
$220,000.
It's worth 25 million now andthis is a few years later.
So I met these guys at an eventand I became friends with Gary

(58:37):
and Gary introduced me to allthe YPO members.
So I put together, for instance, something where we'll do
events and we'll invite theseguys.
They have money they can giveto us and we're funding
scholarships.
So we pick a boy and a girlevery year we have eight kids in
school and we raise moneythrough a golf outing or through
these different things, andsometimes we'll invite these

(58:58):
people that we met thesebusiness owners, these YPO
groups, and then their businessowners and their friends, and
they all have money and we haveour golf outing.
We've got to invite all themand we raise money for these
scholarships.
And so we now have a pool ofand we raise money for these
scholarships, and so we now havea pool of and we then we we
have a put a committee together.
Guys, not only are you going tomeet businesses that can help
you with your business or showyou, maybe get you an
opportunity.
So it was just learning how toleverage our status, not in a

(59:22):
braggadocious way, but in a waywhere it is, is humble, and it's
like look, guys, if you're insales and you're meeting the
president of the company,believe me, that's unbelievable,
because you're not going to getthese guys.
And so I really tried to dothat, and and Emery Moorhead was
before me Emery did a great job.
All of our guys have done agreat job over the years.
We've developed it into.

(59:43):
It's not about us, but how canwe?
Let's just not sit around.
So when I put an event together, I tell the guys here's what is
expected of you.
I want you to talk to thesefans.
These are business owners thatyou can maybe help you with your
business, or we'll just do itat the kindness of our hearts.
So when this girl died, we wentthere and we just made an
announcement that we're here Ifyou do an event down the road

(01:00:05):
and you need players or you needa celebrity or something, we'll
help you find them road and youneed players or you need a
celebrity or something, we'llhelp you find them, that type of
thing.
So it's not about bragging, butI do.
So I need a speaker.
Let me tell you what happened.
Just because I'm a footballplayer so just two days ago no,
it was just yesterday I need aspeaker for this thing.
So I know Rudy Rudiger.
So I called Rudy Rudiger fromthe movie Rudy.
I know Rudy and I was going tohave him speak.

(01:00:26):
Doug Plank is willing to speak.
There's a guy who runs ticketsfor the Chicago Bulls.
His name is Joe O'Neill.
Joe has been there 45 years.
He's got six rings.
He does a great presentation onspeaking.
I called Rick Nielsen fromCheap Trick, his agent, who's
Mike.
Rick's not really a speaker,but we talked to Rick through
friends of mine.
I said do you know anybody thatI can call?
Then I called two other hugebusiness owners.

(01:00:49):
So within 10 minutes I got ahold of about a trillion dollars
of people that I know, and I'mnot bragging about it.
I did, though, and I, and, andnow the company that I've been
there.
So it's this big associationfor 150 companies.
They're putting this thingtogether, they raise money, they
.
They started a foundation aswell, but it's an association

(01:01:10):
for the fastener industry andthat industry, and I hooked them
up with a speaker.
They're choosing Doug Planktoday or the other guy, but
isn't it cool?
I can call Brian Johnson fromACDC, which we didn't get into
that yet.
We'll talk about that story.
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I'm friends with Tim.
So what are you doing, man?
What motivates you to give backto the community?
You went from NFL player tothis philanthropist.
It's amazing to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
What motivates me is the gratitude and humility.
What could have been?
It could have gone the otherway.
Some of the bad decisions Imade could have gone the way.
What happened to you?
You know, and, unfortunately,and, and, and look what you're
doing, and and you know, I couldhave been paralyzed.
I could have hit somebody andkilled somebody.
You know I stopped drinking 20years ago.
I wasn't a big drinker, but Ijust, I like.

(01:02:02):
I didn't like the way I was, Iwas an idiot and I had to change
.
So what, what?
What motivates me now is thefeeling that I get of being able
to hopefully have somebody.
Just feel like I feel every day, I feel grateful.
I remember how it was.
You know, you hear that storyabout the guy who's floating out

(01:02:24):
in the middle of the oceanbecause his boat went down and
he's praying to God every day,saying God please, if you just
save me, I'll go to church everyday.
I'll be there every day.
I'll be the first one.
I praying to God every, sayingGod please, if you just save me,
I'll go to church every day.
I'll be there every day.
I'll be the first one.
I'll be there every day, everyday.
And he's just God, please,please, just.
And then he looks in thehorizon and sees this ship and
he's like God, please, let themsee me.
He's waving his arm and he'sgood.
Well, the ship starts gettingclose.

(01:02:45):
He's like I'll try, I'lldefinitely go every week, I'll
go every week.
And he gets on the boat and hesays, god, I'm going to try to
make it to church at Easter.
I'm going to just try to makeit your sense of urgency changes
based on your circumstances.
When it's all said and done,when it's all over, right, when
it's all over, you know, youforgot about the shitty things

(01:03:05):
that could have happened.
When it's all over, now, thingsare better.
Now.
You're gonna not change.
When you said you were gonna doall these things, I remind
myself of that the second I getup.
The second I get up, I thankGod for my life.
I thank God for theopportunities and the choices I
went to a junior college.
What if I didn't?
What if I?
You know, I was bagger of theyear in 1980 back at Dominic's
grocery store.
How do I want to leave thereand go play football?

(01:03:28):
Bagger of the year, man, I'mjust joking.
So I, I, I made that decisionto go over and to try out.
And what if that didn't happen?
What if he didn't make me aquarterback?
What if I didn't have kneesurgery?
And I went right in.
There's so many things thatline up but everything along the
the way you know, lined up likehow did I become the player of

(01:03:48):
the year?
How did this happen?
I wasn't.
And then then and then I get thenext opportunity and then I met
, you know, I meet these fancypeople and I met a lot of bad
fancy people which I don'treally care about and I don't
talk about and I don't, you know, hang out with them.
But I met some really coolpeople and I was like, wow, if I
was ever like like a BrianJohnson I was telling you the

(01:04:08):
lead singer of ACDC.
We got to talk about that story.
That's so funny but it's sohumbling when you meet somebody
like Brian is and I got to tellyou there's so many stories this
guy they are the number onerock and roll album had back in
black in the history and I'mfriends with them and I met him
in 1987 in Wembley and at theMayfair hotel.
I'm walking through the hotel.

(01:04:28):
Can I tell you the story realquick.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
So I'm walking through, so shit like this
happens to me.
Now I know it's me.
I go up to everybody for themost part, but I'm a huge ACDC
fan.
Anyways.
I listened before every highschool game, every junior
college game, every college gameand every pro game.
So I'm in first touchdown there.

(01:04:54):
It was pretty funny.
And so, anyways, I'm walkingthrough the hotel.
We just got there and I'm astalker ACDC fan.
I mean, I'm just a stalker.
So I'm just walking by and Ilook in the lobby and I just got
there, it's nine hours, so I'mtired.
So I had to go to.
I was going to a meeting andthen we had practice and then I
was going to come back and sleep.
Well, I walked by and I lookover.
I'm like, oh my God, that lookslike Brian Johnson.
So I go over to him real quickand I go excuse me, are you

(01:05:16):
Brian Johnson?
He jumps up.
He's like five, three.
He's like sure, how you doing?
I'm like, oh my God, what areyou doing here?
He goes oh me, and the boyswere finishing up.
You know, you can barelyunderstand what he says.
I always, when I, as I becamefriends with him, I asked him to
talk like John Wayne.

(01:05:36):
I could understand him, so heused to go.
Well, I'll tell you, timmy.
Anyways, so he's, I go.
Well, brian, yeah, so we'retalking.
He goes, you're a big guy, ohwell, I play for the Rams.
He goes, you're going with thefootball team.
That's here, like sure, mate.
So I go to practice.
Come back, I'm in my room, it'sfive o'clock, phone rings and
I'm like hello, he goes.
Hello, is Tim there?
I go, this is Tim, he goes.
Tim Brian here.
I'm like Brian Johnson, he goes.

(01:05:58):
Yeah, yeah, how you doing, mate?
Hey, me and the boys are goingto get it.
I get another player, darrenLong is, but he was kind of a
rocker like me and we godownstairs.
Brian's waiting for me.
We take a cab, we go to a sushirestaurant which I hated sushi,
I you know, but I told him Ilove it and we walk in and
there's Angus Young.

(01:06:19):
Angus, malcolm, harry Vanda,george Young, who produces.
I knew everybody.
Uh, this guy Mike Frazier, Ithink his name was.
He was an engineer and theywere all there and the whole
band was there, and I sit downand the friendship began.
And then after that dinner Iwent home.
They didn't make my game.
I scored my first touchdown Twomonths later.

(01:06:40):
Three months later theyfinished their tour in LA.
I was with the Rams.
We played the Saints that dayas a Sunday and Sunday night
they were finishing their tour.
So I got backstage tickets withthree of my friends.
So I was dating a girl andthere's just me, and the girl
went backstage before the show.
So I walk up there cause theygave me all access.
It was almost like Wayne'sworld, if you ever seen that
movie where they're walkingaround with their all access
passes, like we're not worthy,we're not worthy.

(01:07:02):
And I'm walking.
So I walk up and the guy saidI'm like what the hell?
So we walk backstage.
There's like 500 people waitingto go backstage.
It's before the show and thedoor is open.
The first two people I see areHeather Locklear and Richie
Zambora.
I'm like you got to be kiddingme.

(01:07:22):
I'm like how are you doing?
I walk in and there wasn't alot of people back there and
Brian's like Timmy T, how youdoing he's.
I'm like god, he's so nice.
I'm like this is so cool.
And so I'm walking around and Iwas on TV.
We were, we played on TV and,like I said, I scored a
touchdown.
So Angus was over there in hisschoolboy outfit just tuning his
guitar and he's like Timmy, howyou doing?
I know I'm good.

(01:07:43):
Angus, how you doing he goes.
Hey, I saw you on the telly, Igo, did you he goes?
Yeah, I saw you score a goal.
I'm like it's called atouchdown, angus, but thanks, I
just.
It was a one yard touchdown,but they mentioned my name so
they saw me score and.
But the guys you talk abouthumility and gratitude, you talk
about humbleness, that band,those guys are brian and angus

(01:08:06):
and malcolm and and and um, um,uh, the rest of the guys I can't
think of Phil Rudd and theirbass player, who's Cliff
Williams, is just amazing,amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I feel like it's a world rewarding you because of
what you're doing.
It's like this snowball thatkeeps getting bigger and bigger
and rolling down a hill.
Well, you know what, buddy,that's how everybody else is.
It's like this snowball thatkeeps getting bigger and bigger.
I'm rolling down a hill.
Well, you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
buddy, that's how everybody else is.
It's contagious.
I mean it's like what you'redoing.
When I heard, when your dadtold me the story the first time
, and then when I saw your clipof what you're doing, you know
that it's you know, and the coolthing about it, you know, buddy
, you don't even, unfortunately,you, you know, and the cool
thing about it, you know, buddy,you don't even, unfortunately,

(01:08:51):
you don't get to meet probablytons of people that you've had
an influence on and that youhave an effect on, I've had that
where they've written letters.
It's kind of cool, like one guyyears ago not years ago, but
you know, just like tim, Italked to you 20 years ago and I
was gonna do this and I wantedto maybe go, but you inspired me
to go into and I'm I don't knowhow much you really are, but I
know for me I was inspired bypeople, people of action.

(01:09:13):
I always considered the source.
So if you're smoking cigarettes, trying to teach me how to
smoke cigarettes, I'm probablynot going to listen to a word
you say.
Or if you're disgustingly out ofshape and you're at Armpure,
you're telling me how to.
It's hard to.
You know how to go do it.
I can't imagine how you.
You know how to go, do it.

(01:09:33):
Um, I can't imagine how you,you know of it being, you know,
like, how do you do it, where doyou start?
And it's just a tremendousamount of respect with what
you're doing too.
Look at the people you'reaffecting yeah and I'm so proud
of you, man, it's so cool tomeet, meet you.
You almost want to pull allthese guys in that are going
through and girls that are goingthrough what you're going
through, because there's not abook.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I try to instill that there is hope throughout the
world, Because there's twopillars that I think is like
this that holds up this wall,Well, this roof.
There's two pillars that holdup this roof, and it's hope and
faith.
So you've got to have hope andyou've got to have faith.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
And if you don't get out in this lifetime, then you
know you've made a huge impactfor all the other people that
needed it, because I've hadpeople on the show that you know
been beaten by their boyfriendsand they talk about their
resilience and it just hits andstrikes courts for other people

(01:10:41):
that are going through that samesituation.
So I mean, you're a freakingmachine going on the show, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Well, it's like you know there's there's too much to
talk, bro.
Well, it's like you knowthere's there's too much to talk
about.
There's so much more.
You know the bottom line.
Where's the bottom line isyou're doing the action is what
it's all about.
It's not the talk.
You know what.
That's what I liked aboutfootball.
That's the biggest thing Iliked about it.
You know what?
Show me.

(01:11:12):
Don't tell me.
Show me, don't tell me howtough you are.
Show me.
That's what I mean.
I've always like show me and Ilove that.
Oh man, I got in so many withveterans.
I didn't say it, but you'rejust like let's take it on the
field, dude, or the next playI'm getting you and you know you
try to and you, you know you.
You know you just start.
I don't know I didn't do it forrespect, but you start earning
respect.
I didn't like being.
I'm never going to be bullied.
I'm never going to see somebodyget bullied and I would never

(01:11:34):
put up with it.
I don't put up with people andjust even, just just bite my
tongue when, when, and I try tofigure out if you're having a
bad day or what with bad peoplethat are.
I gotta tell you, one time Iwas with this old grit.
I'm freaking out that.
I'm even friends with BrianJohnson from ACDC and we were at
his house one time.

(01:11:55):
He lives in Sarasota, right inbird key, right in the Bay, and
we took his jet runner waverunners out.
The wave runners were andthere's a sandbar in the middle
of the ocean, it looks like so.
We're on a sandbar and I'msitting out there with Brian
Johnson and Brian looks over atme and he's like Timmy T, do you
fucking believe I have thislife?
I'm like Brian.

(01:12:15):
I'm like how about me?
I get to hang out with you.
Are you kidding me?
I mean, they wrote Back inBlack.
Back in Black sold more albumsin the history other than
Thriller over 52 million, thenumber one album and then just
all these things and you'rechilling and you're hanging with
vine and he's like.

(01:12:35):
He's like like how, this is socool I get to do.
I'm like dude, it's unreal whatyou're doing you're truly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
You are truly living life to the max yeah, and it's a
pleasure having you on the showman.
Always I've enjoyed everything.
I've literally just been asponge, absorbing everything.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
You've been saying so ditto, buddy, I've been so
inspired by you and I've seenseveral of your podcasts and I'm
gonna be watching them allmoving forward, buddy, and what
an honor, buddy, and thank youfor doing what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Yeah, Uh, for everybody out there, take a
breath for me, please, andplease like, comment and
subscribe.
Post notification bell If youwant to um hear more episodes
and you want to see more contentand I'm paralyzed from a neck
down breathing through a machinemore content, and I'm paralyzed
from a knockdown breathingthrough a machine.

(01:13:32):
But that doesn't stop me fromfollowing my dreams and doing
what I love to do.
I don't got an excuse, andneither should you.
I'll see y'all in the next one,outro Music.

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