June 30, 2024 • 11 mins
What if history isn't just random chaos but follows a predictable pattern? In our latest episode, we explore the groundbreaking theories from "The Fourth Turning" by Strauss and Howe, discussing how history operates in recurring cycles of 80 to 100 years. Join us as we analyze our current "winter" phase, marked by societal upheaval and diminishing trust in institutions, drawing parallels to periods like the Civil War and World War II. We'll also look at how pivotal events such as the 2008 financial crisis and the end of the gold standard have shaped our era and speculate on the potential for a new age of renewal and unity, possibly influenced by the rise of AI. Don't miss this fascinating discussion on how moments of chaos can often be the precursor to significant transformation and rebirth.
On a lighter note, we'll also share some personal stories about navigating health and wellness challenges. Ever wondered what it's like to wear a "big mask" for sleep apnea, à la Tom Cruise in "Top Gun"? We'll offer humorous anecdotes and practical tips on using the mask, tackling snoring, and making sustainable lifestyle changes like hitting Planet Fitness regularly, eating healthier, and cutting back on alcohol and sugar. This candid conversation combines humor with heartfelt advice, making it a must-listen for anyone on their own journey toward better health and well-being.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Life Inscripted with.
Kevin Shook.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This book that I was reading is called the Fourth
Turning and it talks about howthings happen in cycles.
So it's basically like every 20to 25 years, you have these
cycles and it's like a season,so winter, spring, summer, fall,
and same thing goes throughouthistory, american history and
we're in a cycle and we're inwhat's called a fourth turning
is what the theory is in thisbook.
(00:24):
This book was written back inthe late 90s or early 90s and it
predicted a lot of the thingsthat are happening now.
So they talk about how we gointo a new birth and a new
turning, so to speak, in thiscountry.
Um, and that follows in 2028and 2030, and it really does
make a lot of sense.
That kind of gave me a littlebit of like, um, a calm or a
(00:46):
grounding to go okay, this is.
This is interesting because itlooks back at how there's
different cycles in history andwe're just we're living through.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I think it's clear as day what we're living through
now, you know in the 90s.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Uh, really yeah but the fourth turning uh strauss
and how.
How were the two writers?
But?
yeah definitely a cool book toread.
Or just go on YouTube and justput in the Fourth Turning.
It's like a 12-minute video onit or whatever.
But there's other books andideas that are based off that,
but it's something I foundreally interesting.
(01:19):
It syncs up with a lot ofthings within finance and
everything else.
So that's the new one.
The Fourth Turning is here, butthey wrote a second book, but
the first one was written in the90s, but anyway that's some
direction.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's like, okay, what's going?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
on man Like what's going on in like society.
So it shows the patterns andeverything else.
Basically it's a cycle.
So we're in the winter seasonwhere things are dying off.
They're fading the way that youknew life.
The last fourth turning wasduring World War II, because
we're now what 80 to 100 yearsbasically.
We're getting close to 1944, sothat time frame.
(01:58):
So we're entering into thattime frame where it gets really
crazy, really wild, really wild.
Trust in government fades thingslike that and then chaos, and
then it turns into something newand then basically a new way of
doing things, and that's whereAI comes in.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Let me think about the loss of trust in government,
chaos and then fresh cleanslate of new things.
So, and my thought is that weare on towards the end of the
(02:38):
chaos and towards the beginningof the new birth, the new day,
yeah, the new cycle.
Do you think that's where we'reat?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I think, yeah, Well, and I think you look at this way
, the start of this was probably2008,.
The financial crisis.
And then you know, so we're,you know, gosh, we're almost 20
years into this.
But go back, you know, go backto the World War II and then go
back another 80, some odd years,80, 100 years Civil War.
So every 100 years turning, goback another 100 years
(03:08):
revolutionary war.
So in in it even it's just umreally interesting anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So it's just kind of so where do you think our was
our, our loss of trust ingovernment and chaos, part of
like covid, and I think it wasbefore that.
Do you think it's before?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
yeah, I think it broke.
I think it broke down a longtime ago some people think that
it was when, um, we went off thegold standard, which was in, I
think, like 1972 or 73.
So president nixon finalizedthat and so, instead of like the
us dollar being backed by gold,it was backed by oil.
Oh, yeah and then you know atleast other stuff there too, but
that's just I mean it.
It's an interesting concept tokind of look at and see, but,
(03:47):
like when you see it throughthat lens, it's like whoa man,
this is some crazy shit.
So yeah, I think we're towardsthe end of a cycle as we knew it
.
We grew up in, like, you know,our grandparents, a lot of them,
obviously, served in the war.
You know they were born intothe Depression, served into the
war and then, you know, wentthrough this phase in life where
(04:10):
they experienced, you know,obviously, inflation in the 70s
and this, you know, the 80s, 90s, some of that boom towards the
end of the 90s, and now we're inwhere we're at.
So I think there's a newhorizon, there's hope, so that's
a good thing.
Right, you know, is that, um,is it crazy and weird?
And all this right now, andpeople are at, you know, add ins
(04:31):
and the team politics thing andall this, but I think, I mean
think about how, and I it's likestress when was the last time
that?
To me it was the day after 9-11,when people were putting
American flags on theirwindshields and they were
(04:54):
putting it on their radioantennas and stuff like that.
So I mean, that was like youwere, just like there's an
American, we're cool Everythingwas here and look at what's
happened in 23 years since then,right, so hopefully there's not
an event like that that has tobring us that way.
Well, tragedy does bring it,chaos does it, and each does
that.
Hopefully there's not an eventlike that that has to bring us
that way.
Well, tragedy does chaos doesit, and each one of those times
(05:15):
it was like it, so anyway, umyeah, well, at that point in
time they have no other choiceto unite but to unite yeah,
you're forced to right and youhave to be.
You know um together as one.
So right.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So and and that's even like you know, on the local
level, or the fire that we had,a lot of people showed support
from all sides, from all walksof life.
Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You saw how people got the united.
The same thing when officerBurton was killed.
You know, this community cametogether and sadly it's during
tragedy.
So, um, will we figure it out?
I don't know, I so, um, I'mcleaning out a house, we're
renovating, and there'snewspapers.
Um, I'm finding from you know20, 25 years ago, um, finding
(06:14):
you know 20, 25 years ago, um,finding some that are over 80
years old, that are likesomebody folded these up and put
them in a way and hope so, andwhat's on the newspapers is the
same thing that we're seeing onsocial media and TV.
Um, you know, this tragedy, uh,this person was killed.
This uh war, uh, north Korea,this, I mean all these little
hot buttons, right?
So all these little things thatwe're saying right now, it's oh
yeah, you know it was the samething in newspapers.
(06:35):
It's push it out there, right?
It gets people talking, it getsyou afraid, it makes you think
so we live from, we live off offear yeah we every day.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
We live off of fear.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, Well, it's a motivator.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It is.
Yeah, Justin asked what's yourbiggest want for Richmond?
You're talking straight to thecity council.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Okay, Well, yeah, I know Justin.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Jason's biggest want is the biggest, baddest
development on 37th Street.
No biggest, baddest developmenton 37th street.
No, that's a.
It wants 15 child carefacilities and 600 apartments in
in about the same squarefootage of walmart.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
God no, um, biggest one for richmond, I think is is
a major focus on re-establishingpride in being from Richmond.
And how that starts is, um, agrassroots door-to-door effort
on the streets, talking topeople, um, and and really
(07:43):
getting involved that way.
Um, I think it's a big dealthat you go back years and
people are, they were proud tobe from this area and if you
focus on the people, they willsell this community to those
from the outside instead oftrying to drive people from the
outside in.
And it's just that's somebodywho's lived here my entire life
(08:05):
right, it all starts on theinside.
Everything starts on the inside,yeah, whether it's development,
whether what, everything startswell, and I mean, we're in that
very rare situation where weare, um, connected to that, uh,
that road that runs alongside ofour city, that has all the
people that drive by it, youknow, and you know.
So, um, take advantage of thosebillboards, put arrows that
(08:27):
point towards the city, that sayfun here, activities here, uh,
colleges here.
There needs to be an effortthere.
And I think the other thing, too, would be to have spokespeople
for the city and the communitythat are leaders, to be active
on social media, on video,answering questions being out
there, not just talking tocertain groups but actually
(08:50):
talking to people, becausethere's a lot of people in the
city that still believe in thisarea, that are hard workers,
that maybe have had a hard knockor they've had situations or
they've not been able to punchthemselves up and you know
they're out there and theybelieve in the city still, but
they don't think people believein them.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's probably where they get discouraged and don't
talk.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, they get afraid and fear.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
We do everything under fear.
Yeah, that project.
It's kind of cool, thecouncilman's in here.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh yeah, you want your brisket breakfast burritos.
Oh my God, I love brisketbreakfast burritos.
We need a Bucky's.
Well, we're getting one atHuber Heights breakfast burritos
.
We need a.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Bucky's.
Well, we're getting one atHuber Heights, so what's the
distance to that Hour Right onthe other side?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
where 70 and 75 intersect in Dayton, richmond,
kentucky is what it's further.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Two hours yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So this will be nice.
It's closer.
I'll definitely probably gothere to get a brisket breakfast
burrito.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I'll go with you.
Yeah, they have the beef jerkymaple syrup flavor.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You got to stop at a Bucky's whenever you travel.
Right, I mean it's insane, butlike it's cool.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I made a couple of videos when I was there one day
which they were like what areyou doing?
I'm like never mind.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
They won't let you stay there overnight, record all
kinds of stuff.
I mean, we stayed thereovernight once on our way to
Florida, just because I was likeI'm not trying to stay there.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Do I drive through it ?
You stayed at Lucky's.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, we slept in the Tahoe Nice With a CPAP man.
It was good.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh yeah, you do that.
Yeah, that was good.
Oh yeah, you do that.
Yeah, I probably should, everyAmerican probably should yeah
well, it's helped me.
What Is it like a big mask.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, no, I wear the big like.
Tom Cruise top gun mask.
Holy shit yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You put aviators on.
Yeah, I do that.
Do you have sex with it on?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, I've never done that.
I no, I've never done that.
I think, chandra, sometimeswhen I'm sleeping she'll grab it
and like, choke it the mask,when you know, to try to get me
to wake up.
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
She's mean sometimes Justin said we have great people
.
Well said.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Proud to be from Richmond, darth Vader, yeah
that's for sure, chandra's wife.
So no, it hit it's.
You have one too.
No, uh, nope it.
It hit me hard.
For a long time I'd snore likecrazy, you know, and obviously
I'm heavier, and it, um, uh, itjust affected.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You lost a lot of weight.
I still got something to do so.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's um, it's a process.
So what have you been doing?
Go to plant fitness, uh, threeor four days a week and I try to
um, you know, eat less,obviously, and I've cut drinking
out a lot.
I think I probably had sixbeers in the past six months.
So I just and it's not likeanything I just have really
slowed that part down becauseit's like man you know, a lot of
(11:43):
empty calories and right focuson other stuff.
So, um, that's that's been.
You know, when I cut out a lotof sugar.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Life Inscripted with Kevin Shook.
Life Inscripted with.
Kevin Shook.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This book that I was reading is called the Fourth
Turning and it talks about howthings happen in cycles.
So it's basically like every 20to 25 years, you have these
cycles and it's like a season,so winter, spring, summer, fall,
and same thing goes throughouthistory, american history and
we're in a cycle and we're inwhat's called a fourth turning
is what the theory is in thisbook.
(00:24):
This book was written back inthe late 90s or early 90s and it
predicted a lot of the thingsthat are happening now.
So they talk about how we gointo a new birth and a new
turning, so to speak, in thiscountry.
Um, and that follows in 2028and 2030, and it really does
make a lot of sense.
That kind of gave me a littlebit of like, um, a calm or a
(00:46):
grounding to go okay, this is.
This is interesting because itlooks back at how there's
different cycles in history andwe're just we're living through.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I think it's clear as day what we're living through
now, you know in the 90s.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Uh, really yeah but the fourth turning uh strauss
and how.
How were the two writers?
But?
yeah definitely a cool book toread.
Or just go on YouTube and justput in the Fourth Turning.
It's like a 12-minute video onit or whatever.
But there's other books andideas that are based off that,
but it's something I foundreally interesting.
(01:19):
It syncs up with a lot ofthings within finance and
everything else.
So that's the new one.
The Fourth Turning is here, butthey wrote a second book, but
the first one was written in the90s, but anyway that's some
direction.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's like, okay, what's going?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
on man Like what's going on in like society.
So it shows the patterns andeverything else.
Basically it's a cycle.
So we're in the winter seasonwhere things are dying off.
They're fading the way that youknew life.
The last fourth turning wasduring World War II, because
we're now what 80 to 100 yearsbasically.
We're getting close to 1944, sothat time frame.
(01:58):
So we're entering into thattime frame where it gets really
crazy, really wild, really wild.
Trust in government fades thingslike that and then chaos, and
then it turns into something newand then basically a new way of
doing things, and that's whereAI comes in.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Let me think about the loss of trust in government,
chaos and then fresh cleanslate of new things.
So, and my thought is that weare on towards the end of the
(02:38):
chaos and towards the beginningof the new birth, the new day,
yeah, the new cycle.
Do you think that's where we'reat?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I think, yeah, Well, and I think you look at this way
, the start of this was probably2008,.
The financial crisis.
And then you know, so we're,you know, gosh, we're almost 20
years into this.
But go back, you know, go backto the World War II and then go
back another 80, some odd years,80, 100 years Civil War.
So every 100 years turning, goback another 100 years
(03:08):
revolutionary war.
So in in it even it's just umreally interesting anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So it's just kind of so where do you think our was
our, our loss of trust ingovernment and chaos, part of
like covid, and I think it wasbefore that.
Do you think it's before?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
yeah, I think it broke.
I think it broke down a longtime ago some people think that
it was when, um, we went off thegold standard, which was in, I
think, like 1972 or 73.
So president nixon finalizedthat and so, instead of like the
us dollar being backed by gold,it was backed by oil.
Oh, yeah and then you know atleast other stuff there too, but
that's just I mean it.
It's an interesting concept tokind of look at and see, but,
(03:47):
like when you see it throughthat lens, it's like whoa man,
this is some crazy shit.
So yeah, I think we're towardsthe end of a cycle as we knew it
.
We grew up in, like, you know,our grandparents, a lot of them,
obviously, served in the war.
You know they were born intothe Depression, served into the
war and then, you know, wentthrough this phase in life where
(04:10):
they experienced, you know,obviously, inflation in the 70s
and this, you know, the 80s, 90s, some of that boom towards the
end of the 90s, and now we're inwhere we're at.
So I think there's a newhorizon, there's hope, so that's
a good thing.
Right, you know, is that, um,is it crazy and weird?
And all this right now, andpeople are at, you know, add ins
(04:31):
and the team politics thing andall this, but I think, I mean
think about how, and I it's likestress when was the last time
that?
To me it was the day after 9-11,when people were putting
American flags on theirwindshields and they were
(04:54):
putting it on their radioantennas and stuff like that.
So I mean, that was like youwere, just like there's an
American, we're cool Everythingwas here and look at what's
happened in 23 years since then,right, so hopefully there's not
an event like that that has tobring us that way.
Well, tragedy does bring it,chaos does it, and each does
that.
Hopefully there's not an eventlike that that has to bring us
that way.
Well, tragedy does chaos doesit, and each one of those times
(05:15):
it was like it, so anyway, umyeah, well, at that point in
time they have no other choiceto unite but to unite yeah,
you're forced to right and youhave to be.
You know um together as one.
So right.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So and and that's even like you know, on the local
level, or the fire that we had,a lot of people showed support
from all sides, from all walksof life.
Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You saw how people got the united.
The same thing when officerBurton was killed.
You know, this community cametogether and sadly it's during
tragedy.
So, um, will we figure it out?
I don't know, I so, um, I'mcleaning out a house, we're
renovating, and there'snewspapers.
Um, I'm finding from you know20, 25 years ago, um, finding
(06:14):
you know 20, 25 years ago, um,finding some that are over 80
years old, that are likesomebody folded these up and put
them in a way and hope so, andwhat's on the newspapers is the
same thing that we're seeing onsocial media and TV.
Um, you know, this tragedy, uh,this person was killed.
This uh war, uh, north Korea,this, I mean all these little
hot buttons, right?
So all these little things thatwe're saying right now, it's oh
yeah, you know it was the samething in newspapers.
(06:35):
It's push it out there, right?
It gets people talking, it getsyou afraid, it makes you think
so we live from, we live off offear yeah we every day.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
We live off of fear.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, Well, it's a motivator.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
It is.
Yeah, Justin asked what's yourbiggest want for Richmond?
You're talking straight to thecity council.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Okay, Well, yeah, I know Justin.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Jason's biggest want is the biggest, baddest
development on 37th Street.
No biggest, baddest developmenton 37th street.
No, that's a.
It wants 15 child carefacilities and 600 apartments in
in about the same squarefootage of walmart.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
God no, um, biggest one for richmond, I think is is
a major focus on re-establishingpride in being from Richmond.
And how that starts is, um, agrassroots door-to-door effort
on the streets, talking topeople, um, and and really
(07:43):
getting involved that way.
Um, I think it's a big dealthat you go back years and
people are, they were proud tobe from this area and if you
focus on the people, they willsell this community to those
from the outside instead oftrying to drive people from the
outside in.
And it's just that's somebodywho's lived here my entire life
(08:05):
right, it all starts on theinside.
Everything starts on the inside,yeah, whether it's development,
whether what, everything startswell, and I mean, we're in that
very rare situation where weare, um, connected to that, uh,
that road that runs alongside ofour city, that has all the
people that drive by it, youknow, and you know.
So, um, take advantage of thosebillboards, put arrows that
(08:27):
point towards the city, that sayfun here, activities here, uh,
colleges here.
There needs to be an effortthere.
And I think the other thing, too, would be to have spokespeople
for the city and the communitythat are leaders, to be active
on social media, on video,answering questions being out
there, not just talking tocertain groups but actually
(08:50):
talking to people, becausethere's a lot of people in the
city that still believe in thisarea, that are hard workers,
that maybe have had a hard knockor they've had situations or
they've not been able to punchthemselves up and you know
they're out there and theybelieve in the city still, but
they don't think people believein them.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's probably where they get discouraged and don't
talk.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, they get afraid and fear.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
We do everything under fear.
Yeah, that project.
It's kind of cool, thecouncilman's in here.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh yeah, you want your brisket breakfast burritos.
Oh my God, I love brisketbreakfast burritos.
We need a Bucky's.
Well, we're getting one atHuber Heights breakfast burritos
.
We need a.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Bucky's.
Well, we're getting one atHuber Heights, so what's the
distance to that Hour Right onthe other side?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
where 70 and 75 intersect in Dayton, richmond,
kentucky is what it's further.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Two hours yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So this will be nice.
It's closer.
I'll definitely probably gothere to get a brisket breakfast
burrito.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I'll go with you.
Yeah, they have the beef jerkymaple syrup flavor.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You got to stop at a Bucky's whenever you travel.
Right, I mean it's insane, butlike it's cool.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I made a couple of videos when I was there one day
which they were like what areyou doing?
I'm like never mind.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
They won't let you stay there overnight, record all
kinds of stuff.
I mean, we stayed thereovernight once on our way to
Florida, just because I was likeI'm not trying to stay there.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Do I drive through it ?
You stayed at Lucky's.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, we slept in the Tahoe Nice With a CPAP man.
It was good.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh yeah, you do that.
Yeah, that was good.
Oh yeah, you do that.
Yeah, I probably should, everyAmerican probably should yeah
well, it's helped me.
What Is it like a big mask.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, no, I wear the big like.
Tom Cruise top gun mask.
Holy shit yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You put aviators on.
Yeah, I do that.
Do you have sex with it on?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, I've never done that.
I no, I've never done that.
I think, chandra, sometimeswhen I'm sleeping she'll grab it
and like, choke it the mask,when you know, to try to get me
to wake up.
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
She's mean sometimes Justin said we have great people
.
Well said.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Proud to be from Richmond, darth Vader, yeah
that's for sure, chandra's wife.
So no, it hit it's.
You have one too.
No, uh, nope it.
It hit me hard.
For a long time I'd snore likecrazy, you know, and obviously
I'm heavier, and it, um, uh, itjust affected.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You lost a lot of weight.
I still got something to do so.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's um, it's a process.
So what have you been doing?
Go to plant fitness, uh, threeor four days a week and I try to
um, you know, eat less,obviously, and I've cut drinking
out a lot.
I think I probably had sixbeers in the past six months.
So I just and it's not likeanything I just have really
slowed that part down becauseit's like man you know, a lot of
(11:43):
empty calories and right focuson other stuff.
So, um, that's that's been.
You know, when I cut out a lotof sugar.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Life Inscripted with Kevin Shook.
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