July 7, 2024 • 47 mins
Will restricting or banning cell phones in schools reshape the educational landscape? Join us as we unpack the potential consequences of a new house bill aiming to restrict or eliminate cell phones from public schools starting July 1st. From parents worried about communication in emergencies to educators striving for focused classrooms, we explore every angle, including the practicalities of implementing such a ban with solutions like Yonder pouches. Plus, we dive into the evolving role of technology in learning, spotlighting how AI in Apple's iOS update might just be the game-changer schools need.
Switching gears, we delve into a slew of legislative moves with far-reaching impacts. Discover why lawmakers are cracking down on property ownership near military installations by foreign adversaries like China and Russia. We also discuss the surprising legalization of throwing stars and its implications. As healthcare landscapes shift, learn about the new freedom for primary care physicians to work across multiple networks, free from non-compete clauses. This segment raises critical questions about national security, public safety, and the business of healthcare.
Lastly, step into my shoes as an EMS professional for a heartfelt recount of high-stakes emergency runs and the systemic challenges plaguing the field. From underpayment to high turnover rates, we explore why EMS often struggles compared to fire and police services. We also share some quirky, nostalgic fun by visiting unique museums like CMG Worldwide and the American Sign Museum, offering a charming trip through Americana. This episode promises a mix of serious insights and light-hearted escapades, perfect for curious minds and history buffs alike.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Life Inscripted with Kevin Shook.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Let's talk about the new house bills.
So July 1st you mentioned, yougave me a list of these and one
was a ban on cell phones inschools.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, I didn't look too deep into it but maybe
someone can comment that is alittle bit more educated on it.
But it sounds like that cellphones will be banned in public
schools going forward.
So that kind of.
It's interesting from a lot ofdifferent perspectives.
From a parent's perspective, I,I don't think I like it, but I
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also understand that thedistraction it can be, because
it's a distraction for a uh, fora 43 year old, let alone for a
teenager in school, or it's oneyounger.
What's the pouch?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
oh god, the yonder pouch they're gonna make them do
yonder pouches.
So do you know it's a ban forsure I'm not sure the specifics
on on.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That's what I'm wondering, like what the actual,
what the details of it are, butfrom from what it looks like
there will be some form of a banof a cell phone or watch, or
whatever, I've seen that Rod'sauthored it, so that would be
kind of cool if he was watchingbecause, then he could comment
and tell us, since he wrote thebill.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
All I could find on the state website was that it's
going to require the school tohave adopt and implement a
wireless communication devicepolicy that governs student use
of a wireless communicationdevice and publish this policy
on the website.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So they have to have something tangible that you can
actually yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So I don't know if it'll be like a complete band.
It's kind of.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It would be kind of hard to do something in the
middle yeah, district bydistrict may be difficult, but
world's such a different place,I mean, and we're, we're
connected to these things,obviously, and children that are
born are, from the moment thatthey're born, that's in their
face, right?
I mean, that's that's what theysee, right?
Um, unless you're amish, youknow.
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But um, so if you've got thatand that's a part of the tool of
society, whether it be good andbad, and everybody's got an
opinion and I understand thatand respect that, but it's um,
and that's tough because, youknow, it sounds like there needs
to be some adjusting, maybe, ofof how um we approach teaching,
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with an emphasis of knowingthat that's going to be a part
of that's always going to bethere, right.
That's what I'm saying.
So like are we?
You know a balance is good, youknow, with with an actual book,
with some actual things there.
So maybe that's, maybe that's asolution to it, as you have a
certain amount of time that'srestricted and I'm in the seven
minute passing period, and I, Imean there's been plenty of
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times where our kids, you know,have been in a scenario where
you know they needed to send aquick text message to us or
whatever, and it was, of course,you know, not during times when
they weren't supposed to havetheir phone right.
But you know, that's important,I think, to be able to have
that communication, especiallyin um, you know, times where
things move rapidly, so beingable to be in contact is, uh,
it's important withtransportation, all that stuff,
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so uh yeah, hot button issue forsure it's, it's major hot
button.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You could take it as far as there's an active shooter
.
Any phone call is a good phonecall, whether it comes from a
student.
The teacher might be dead, sothe one person with a cell phone
might be dead.
So there's pros and cons tothis.
That's why I'm hoping it's notlike a complete ban.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well, yeah, I mean, the other kind of worry I would
have is I was blessed to havevery involved parents, and
Chandra and I are involved inour daughter's lives pretty deep
to the point where, you know,we were open with them about a
lot of things and we talked tothem.
So that has helped us to beable to communicate with them in
their way so that way we canrelate and have that
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conversation and deepen thoserelationships.
So you know, there are someinstances where you know you've
got a split relationship oryou've got, you know, the only
way there's communicationhappening maybe on that phone,
and to be able to have that withyour child and not be able to
have that, I guess I should sayis, yeah, that could be a
challenge, but there's.
I see both sides of it to anextent, but I would say that if
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you know, if you're like what'syour opinion on, I would say,
man, those kids need to havethose phones.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Right, well, and I I just think there would be.
It would be hard to findsomething in the middle.
Yeah, unless it's unless andI'm sure the technology is there
.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
We have AI, so is there a way, in that
geographical location of theperimeter of the school, that it
would only allow phone callsand texts?
Well, I mean right now, ifyou're connected to the Wi-Fi
connectivity in a school, Idon't think there's certain
things you can like oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So I mean, there's things that are there a school.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I don't think there's certain things you could like,
oh yeah, so I mean there'sthings that are there, um, but
gosh, I mean that leads to.
I sent you a video earlierabout um, apple's newest
software update in ios 18, andwhat they're going to be able to
do where they can.
It solves math problems.
The ai that they're baking intothat like what?
That software?
When that launches in probablyseptember, october, when they
typically launch um, maybeearlier, but anyway, that's
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going to be very hard forschools to keep that away
because, I mean, that's a toolto help a kid and I may not be
able to learn from a teacher.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And here's the thing like that's not going anywhere.
None of this technology isgoing anywhere, so it's kind of
like embrace it, teach it andlet's move 10 times faster.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I think if you prevent the child from having
the technology and the device,you're moving backwards.
And we want to move forward,but we want to move forward
smartly calculated and a way toprogress them and obviously help
them learn and be bettercitizens.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And understand how the tools work, use the tools
they're given.
Yeah, um.
So the next, the next uh billthat was passed, house bill 1183
.
And that was um banning thepurchasing of property from
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foreign adversaries.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Okay, okay.
I think that's happening insome other States too.
But so specifically, if fromthis is again understanding that
I'm from my understanding so ifyou are a foreign adversary of
the U S I E, china, russia, iran, north Korea, you're not able
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in the state of Indiana topurchase land specifically by a
military installation.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So I don't think that's a bad thing.
No, it's not a bad thing.
It's been needed for years.
I don't see where, I don't seewhere that could be something
where someone says you know, Imean like they need to actually
go back and figure out how totake that land back from china.
That's around all the militaryand you open up loopholes of
then because someone slidesanother.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's never a clean bill that just comes in it says
you know, hey, this is what thisis then it's another question,
for Maybe he's like can you justdo this?
One is like hey, if you're fromhere, we can pull this versus
um, well, if you're any of theselike yeah because what's
considered an adversary?
They don't like the fact thatyou talk about um.
We have.
There's a list, you know wellor changed.
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There is a list of countries,the list of of foreign
adversaries.
Yep, okay, on the on the onthese house bills, I would say
the four that I?
I mentioned china, russia,north korea.
Uh, what was the fourth one?
I said iran.
Okay, those would be the four.
And what hospital?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
did I say that was Okay, those would be the four.
What hospital did I say thatwas 1183.
All right, let's get 1183.
It did name it out.
Foreign ownership.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I mean if you're putting, if you're buying the
farmland and you know if you'redoing it for a business, but if
you are, I don't know.
There was an air balloon flownover the country all last year,
so I don't know which ended upbeing bogus.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, China, Iran, North Korea, Russia or a country
designated as a threat tocritical infrastructure by the
governor under section 8b ofthis chapter so country itself
okay well, country that.
Any threat, there you go.
America I don't see a problemwith that I think that's a good
thing it is, because here's theproblem they they want to ban
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tiktok, ban t, ban TikTok, banTikTok.
Meanwhile, they let thesepeople buy land around military
camps, right around the militarycamps.
Why is China need?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
that land as the technology is deepening and the
kid can get on the iPad and doalgebra.
What do you think they're doing?
I know that's not a bumblebee.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
That's not a match on Bumble, so this is needed to
happen yeah and I'm glad tothat's an easy one yeah, I'm
glad to see it.
Um, so, the next one, the nextone.
So we just actually, jason,picked out all of these, um
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interesting, interesting,interesting so now throwing
stars are legalized, but it doessay with the exception of
schools, duh so throwing, sothrowing stars.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Can you define what a throwing star is?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean, yeah, a metal like the, well, like a ninja
star.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, so I wonder how long have they?
Yeah, because I tried.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I drove around to all the pawn stores today.
I want that the pawn storearound 11th.
I was like hey, you got any ofthose bone stars?
And they were like those areillegal.
I'm like not of like four daysago.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Bill number whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, bill number, oh my god, because I just wanted
one to like.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
No, I don't.
I've seen them before, but Iwonder how long they've been
banned.
And then it makes me think ofthings like yard jarts, you know
like yeah, bring them back.
You know I mean, but man, yeah,well, there was.
It was probably in the 80s, ismy guess is when that was banned
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.
But there was a huge push, whatin the 70s, 80s, with bruce lee
, chuck norris man, I remembermy dad was huge into those two
guys specifically.
Uh, bruce lee, but, um, my dadhad nunchucks.
Nunchucks, he had real woodenones, I had plastic, well, and
one time I hit myself in thenuts with them.
God, it was awful.
But uh, yeah, there was, um, abig influence on karate and
taekwondo and all the martialarts.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So yeah, now we're just too lazy to just do all
that.
Society's just like fuck that.
Yeah, but I wanted to find oneman.
Those are really cool.
Um, I feel like kind of likepeople shooting themselves in
the legs all the timeaccidentally.
I feel like we're gonna justhave a lot of hands that are cut
up from trying to throw thosethings stupid stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
But then there's also , you know, the entrepreneur in
me is thinking man, could youlike screen press stuff on the
throwing stars, like logos thatwe give?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
them at trick shows and stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You want a yo-yo?
No, I'd rather have thethrowing star than put it in a
tree.
You know, pop a balloon with it.
I don't know.
I just thought of pogs.
Do you remember pogs?
Uh, the little circle, yeah,yeah, that was past my I was a
bit older when those came out,but I remember, remember them,
pogs so another one, which isgreat um, with all of our health
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care controversy in this nationthat doesn't exist because we
don't know when.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Everyone loves health care and we get great
healthcare around here.
Non-compete bans for primarycare doctors.
Did you look into this at all?
No, and this one's pretty farout of my wheelhouse of what I
so the more and more I read, themore and more it made it look
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like primary care physicians canwork for multiple networks,
like there's no compete clause.
Okay, so like a free agent,yeah, um.
So there's not a whole lot.
There wasn't a whole lot ofinformation at all, and a lot of
these hospitals there reallywasn't so what benefit if you're
a physician.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You're not.
I mean, I can only relate it towhen I worked in the cell phone
industry.
There was non-compete clauses.
Like you know, I worked forSprint and you know at a time we
could not leave and go toVerizon um at certain levels of
um employment, different.
You know, whatever your role wasand things like that, which I
mean.
If you're, then it cause.
(13:03):
I mean think about this if thatwas because of business, right
For growth and for competitionand for income, so then does
that mean that healthcare is notabout the person but about the
business?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
You're exactly right.
It's all.
It's all business competition.
When, when I was doing stufffor the, our local healthcare,
um man, it was all competitionon billboard strategy where to
put billboards in adjacentcounties that have another
hospital but I understand also.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You know that that you do have to make money to be
able to pay for your buildingsand growth.
You went to school for allthese years and you're educated.
God bless you for all thatstuff.
But it's like you know.
Went to school for all theseyears and you're educated, and
God bless you for all that stuff.
But it's like you know, is itmore about the people or is it
more about the income?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It's more about the income it's.
I mean, if the healthcarefacility owns private property
they want to develop apartmentson, we're way out of our
healthcare scope.
We're way we're not eventhinking about providing good
patient care.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So how do we get back to that?
Though that that, how do you,how do you get back to a patient
?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
first um mindset responsibility with any
organization healthcareorganization that we're talking
about, or anything you have toeither a restructure your entire
leadership administration,which that's probably the most
realistic thing that's going tohappen, because we're at a point
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where something has to happenor B sell out, I see.
So you know, everything comesfrom the top down Morale,
everything comes from the topdown.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So it's the same way, so healthcare is ran the same
way.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's just another fortune 500.
Yeah, um, which is sad, yeah,um.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, it's nothing that we can change, you know um,
so non-compete so basicallythey're banning the
non-competing yeah, so they'rebanning it, so you could go from
one one community the positionto work here.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Monday through Thursday and then go work there.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Okay, friday through Sunday, so they could Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So similar to like an independent or like yours, your
your example of can't leave,sprint and go to Verizon.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, okay, well, I mean, I think that's that's a
better thing, because that waythe physician can then not be
under, I guess, certainguidelines certain restrictions
a certain way of doing businessright.
And a certain salary, becausenone of the compensation's well
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obviously I wonder how that iswith younger folks now getting
in the medical field.
Is it the same thing as we needa lot of skilled labor?
Do we need more physicians?
I haven't looked into that.
How are we with doctors?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We always need that Problem of it is we now have 20
people between the physician andthe CEO that wants Rolexes,
which this is an Apple watch, bythe way, I know, but look, this
reminds me of a.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Rolex.
Well, that's a $9.99 Amazonadd-on right there.
I like it.
That's what I do.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I wish they would settle for that and give that
money back to that position.
They might stay here.
Well, yeah, that's true, so,okay.
So more it's just, and, andthis is nationwide, this isn't
just wayne county yeah it's uh,this is nationwide.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I mean everything that we talk about, that's a
challenge that we see locally isobviously something that's
everywhere.
It gets maybe centered justbecause we live here and we're
talking about it.
But I mean 99 of what we talkabout and see and talk about
beyond this podcast or whateveris um, we see it everywhere.
So it's just, yeah, so a masschange all the way around yeah,
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it's it.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
The whole paradigm shift needs to happen.
Doubt it'll happen, maybebecause we're in a society of
greed.
Yeah, it's for sure.
That was definitely everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Maybe you know the introduction of artificial
intelligence and that helps withsimplifying medicine to the
point.
I don't want to say simplifyingbecause I don't want to take
anything away from that, butlike, maybe it makes things more
efficient and therefore thathelps and the cost can go down
to the I mean mean so hopefullyit all, I mean hopefully a lot
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of things can get resolved.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, I think we can all agree A lot of perspectives
change.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
We want people healthy.
We want them to live longer.
We want them happier.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And yeah, so okay, so moving on, let's let's talk
about the house bill 1142, sincewe're kind of talking medical,
okay, um, this kind of goes intosome of what I did for living
for a while.
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Um, so the state passed thishouse bill that, uh, provides a
medal of honor for firstresponders.
Okay, that does somethingextraordinary.
I guess I don't know howthey're nominated for it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I think it's cool.
It's a cool award.
So going above and beyond thecall of duty as a first
responder, yeah, but your job isto say, the lowest Getting
noticed more, I guess Okay,which is exciting, super cool.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Um, there's a flip side to it.
Me being in, you know, in emsand fire and all that shit for
19 years is when I finally quitall of it paramedic bye.
Um, I've seen a shift that youkind of see on social media too.
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I see it more because, like,I'm friends with a lot of people
and follow, follow pages andstuff.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But we are an award-driven society there's a
lot of people that that's amotivator.
Some people are um, they, theydon't need the, the lights, they
don't need the glamour, theydon't need the award.
But and maybe I'm an oddity tothat, but I've always kind of
been myself, this is about me.
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But I've just always kind ofthought like the hardware is
nice, or the trophy or theplaque or whatever, but I would
rather just, you know, performand make sure I'm, I'm
progressing in life with mygoals.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So so where's the balance between recognition for
something that you did um?
Where's the balance betweenthat and doing everything you
can to get awards?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's unfortunately, I think, things always get
politicized and we live in animperfect world with imperfect
people that have differentdesires and motives, and so I
think maybe who regulates someof that with that medal of honor
?
That would help.
You know, because, like what,what is considered?
Going above and beyond, like Isaid, you know, so you're.
If you're a paramedic, you knowpart of your job title is
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you're saving lives, right, soyou save a life.
If you know I'm ever put in aposition where I can save a life
, you know, maybe I get acitizen's medal of honor so
that's who deserves it.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
But it's not your job to save the life.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But okay, then that leads me to think that those
that are, that are professionalsat saving lives.
Maybe they are involved afterhours, they're involved in
community things to bettersociety as a whole, and then
you're putting yourself and yourprofession on a platform and
making it where it's um again, I, I would assume that it's
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probably um a profession thatneeds more people.
Oh yeah, so you know, puttingthat in the spotlight is like
hey look, this is super cool,look at what you're doing.
You know you're saving lives,you're working with this, but
also there's a, you know, I'msure, other sides to it that are
just couldn't imagine.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Well, there's just a lot of little hot buttons for me
in this, because I did thisshit for a long time, I saved
numerous fucking lives, becauseI was trained to do it Right.
But I see, like all of thisrecognition or self-recognition
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A lot of it's self-recognitionLike, look at me, I fucking
saved a life.
And the awards, fuck the awards, because that's not what EMS
needs, that's not what FIREneeds.
They need well more so EMSactually paid and compensated.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Well, maybe then by getting an award, and here's a
way of looking at this way ifyou get the recognition and you
get the award, um, privatebusiness will want to link into
that somehow, and then there youcan get some compensation that
way, some form of a um, there'ssome form of benefit that could.
There's some form of a benefitthat could be like you know, hey
, this business owner reallyappreciates you, know what
you've done, and your medal ofhonor, first responder, and we
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want to celebrate you this way,you know, I mean, it could
probably start, you know, startslow.
Here's breakfast, whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean, it's terribly thinking that way but no, I
mean, it's terribly thinkingthat way, but you know what I'm
saying.
That's how it goes, bro.
Here's a pizza.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Happy EMS week.
Well, it's like, you know, soyou go there.
It's like here's 10% off yourcable bill, you know, I mean
it's like, but you're like no, Iwant to get paid more.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So it needs to be recognized.
So here's Well, ok, so I quitthe paramedic stuff.
Like a month ago, back infebruary, we had a critical
pediatric run, like supercritical um, and in my 19 years
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at ems I swore this kid wasgonna die.
I was like he's gonna die, it'slike we're just prolonging it.
He survived, right.
So that was really fucking cool, um, and I would message I'd
talk to medical director everyday and shit about it, right,
dude's gotta be dead.
Like injuries were crazy, jeezand uh.
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But so I since quit.
You know this.
The business got really good andthen I just it that should.
It just wasn't for me.
After a while, like I couldn'tit wasn't really the runs and
everything else anxiety wasstarting to kick because of some
dumb shit, um, with, like youknow, there was a run.
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There was another run where wedelivered a baby, everything
went perfect.
And then, like the next shift,they're like you need to mark
out a service and come down hereASAP and I'm like what the hell
?
So like scared the shit out ofme.
I'm like what happened?
And because I'm like mydocumentation, they thought I
did some like really bad, likedocumentation.
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They thought I did some likereally bad, like semi-illegal
stuff, and I was like, no,that's no, no, so it's just like
I don't want to always be,because that increases anxiety.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, like she want to drink alcohol right, so get
the hell out.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I'm like I'm just done with this shit.
Um, so they?
So I was recognized the otherday.
That's good, yeah, but theydidn't invite me because you
were gone because I quit.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So are they going to mail you like some kind of she?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
said they were going to mail it mail and they posted
it on social media like not inthis photo, but but recognized
was Kevin.
And then my partner also quitsince then.
Well, so the two people on therun both quit.
So it's kind of like it's kindof like what's that?
Say, yeah, the two people onthat pediatric run of census
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quit.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
That made you feel like shit, didn't it?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah, that sucks man, even the medical
director was like like that wasshitty because she wasn't part
of that program.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
it was from the provider on the helicopter well,
when you get your uhcertificate, you can show it to
the world bro.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, maybe I'll get a medal, fucking honor.
Well okay.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
so anyway, that's like, um, I mean, I feel like
that's a good thing too, that'sa good, I think that's a good.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's a good start, but they need to be signing
house bills where EMS is paidjust like fire and police.
Because this building burneddown.
What are we at?
Yeah, that's what I neverunderstood is you're out there
narcanning people and shit forless dollars an hour than people
at McDonald's working, and soso are cheeseburgers more
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valuable than your life,people's lives, yeah, you know
what I mean.
So they they need the.
The pension needs to be this.
Everything needs to be the same.
It needs to it needs to getrecognized Right, because when I
was in fire dude whole it needsto get recognized right,
because when I was in fire dudeI haven't.
I might even have to touch achart.
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So it's kind of like they needto increase the salaries of ems.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
That's why there's so high turnover so they're not,
because the ems is not cityemployees anymore, right,
they're not, they're not sothey're all different throughout
the state.
Some are city, some privatesome city.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Some are county employees, so both of those
receive some tax funds right tooperate.
And then you have private.
That like solely transfers.
For the most part in ruralareas they might be contracted
to provide ems but they'resolely like rely on the money
they can get from these runsfrom Medicaid and Medicare,
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which changes it all the time,so it's harder and harder.
Locally it's city.
The city runs the EMS.
Okay, when that was startedwhen I was here, and it still is
, and this is, I can talk aboutthis now because this is my
podcast and I'm not employedthere, so I feel really good
right now.
This is about to talk aboutthis now because this is my
podcast and I'm not employedthere, so I feel really good
(27:05):
right now.
This is about to be atherapeutic fucking moment.
Let's go, yeah that's it it'sunscripted.
So there's a problem with firedepartments running ems.
They put firefighters on thoseambulances that want to be
firefighters.
They don't want to beparamedics, but they make it a
requirement to be able to comeover and be a firefighter.
(27:29):
That you have to do this.
99% of the people on theseambulances don't want to be on
these ambulances, so how's thatmake you feel when they pull up
to your house to take care ofyour grandma?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Knowing they were forced to be paramedic, forced
to be this, just because theywant to be firefighters.
So it should be separate, right?
The problem with separating itis years ago, tax caps,
everything else.
Um, it's really hard to get agood general fund for the fire
department to buy nice trucksthat they need, because you do
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need nice trucks, you do needtraining grounds, like all that
shit is very necessary.
Um, and, and I laid around inrecliners, it's a fireman thing,
but when you need, when theshit hits, the fan when the
shit's the fan.
You need that, all thatequipment you need four people
not three.
You need four people, not threepeople.
You need four people on thoseengines and taking care of
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things.
Right, I agree, but because ofthose general funds were
depleted.
They seen EMS, which stands foremergency medical services.
They seen it as extra moneysource.
So that's how the amortis cameinto play as an extra money
source.
So that's how the ambulancescame into play as an extra money
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source.
So because they havesuppression on that, it's not
separate.
You have more control of thosefunds so you can push, push,
push as many runs as you can offthose ambulances.
And at that time we were doingtransfers so we would go to the
nursing home and take them toanother nursing home, or we
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would go to this hospital andtake them to Bloomington or
something, taking our ambulancesout of the city just to make
money to help buy new firetrucks, new training grounds.
It crosses funds over, it's abusiness.
No, it wasn't, it's strictly.
Crosses funds over, it's abusiness.
No, it wasn't.
Just to get it, it's strictly.
Those ambulances are strictly abusiness.
(29:27):
It should be separated.
And civilians, if the statewould a lot more funds to the
suppression side, increase thegeneral funds for the fire
department so they can fullystaff, with the equipment they
need, the training they needevery year.
(29:50):
Which is it's so doable?
Because we have over like 100state agencies, and the last
time I heard anything was fromDel G and she said almost 50% of
these state agencies could becut.
So there's money there, we'rejust misallocating it.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, maybe someone's hearing this, you know, and
that message should get out.
I mean, that's part of theplatform.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So if you take those tax dollars, put back in that
general fund, cut thoseambulances from the suppression
side.
Hire civilian EMTs andparamedics that actually want to
be EMTs and paramedics.
Let the firemen do their jobs.
You know what I mean, becausewe don't send a police
department to security gigs tomake money to pay for police
cars.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, so it all comes down to the almighty dollar.
Yeah, yep, okay.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
It's wild.
No, it's why.
Oh man, I got, I kind of gotoff.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
No, it's good Didn't mean that we were able to
express it.
It's good out there.
Yeah, it's, it's legit.
Um, yeah, like I said,hopefully somebody hears that,
you know um and that's all inthat arena, that's all across
the nation.
Yeah again same things it's notlocal problems, it's everywhere
so it goes in the all kinds ofstuff I mean so, um, you know,
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other nationwide things that areout there too there is, like
the um, buyer agencyrequirements for residential
real estate.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
okay, yep, would you happen to know a realtor that
could tell me anything aboutthis, sir, I know many, many
good ones.
Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
No, um, it's one of his names, Jason.
No, yeah, that's a.
There's been, you know, alittle talk here and there, but,
uh, effective July 1st, yeah,buyer's agency, Um, so try to
break this down and make itsimple, cause it really in
itself is so.
If you're buying a house, youknow you go to houses for sale.
(31:51):
Sellers got it listed.
We will have to have you, we'llhave a conversation and then
we'll document that you may beresponsible for paying the
compensation for the buying sideof the transaction.
So, yeah, that can be achallenge for some folks, but if
you think about it from aseller's perspective, you know
(32:12):
it's like these are.
It's a new requirement, but thishas always been the way in
Indiana, you know.
So if you are a seller, you goto sell your house, you know you
could pay some compensation tothe buyer's agent.
You could pay no compensation.
You know it depends on what youthink's in your best interest.
You know I didn't have to tiemy shoes today, but it was in my
(32:36):
best interest, right?
You know.
So if you're thinking from theperspective of I'm selling my
house and I have buyers thatwant to buy my house, but
they've already got to pay theirclosing cost their down payment
and inspection and appraisal.
How many really have that extrato pay for compensation for the
other agent?
So likely that seller that'sselling that home benefited from
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that same scenario when theybought their home and they'll
likely benefit from it again.
So, you know, is that somethingthat it's changed?
It's a nationwide change, it'sgone through.
But there's really it'sbusiness as usual here and, like
I said, there's several, a lot,several, several, a lot,
whatever great real estateagents in this town that can
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explain that that will take careof you, and I'm glad to work
with a lot of them.
So my, my advice, I would say,is you know, if you go to sell
your house, I would definitelyrecommend that you um have it to
where it's available for thebuyer's agent to be compensated,
because think of all thosebuyers that won't be able to pay
for that compensation.
(33:44):
So then that lessens the amountof people that are looking for
your house and you're going towant to get as much money as you
can.
If you're selling your houseand if you're a buyer, you're
going to want to be able to getit and still be able to have
money in your pocket if you canafford it.
So it's kind of a scale thatweighs out itself.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
So do you think I'm just thinking worst scenario?
You said there's a lot of greatagents, there's some that's not
so great.
Do you think any of them willum slide in?
So so is there a template rightnow?
And are they all the same?
So, like if I was a buyer'sagent and I gave you a contract,
(34:25):
could I ride out out on therefor the next 10 years?
I'm your buyer, I represent you, and then it's very small fine
print that I'm the buyer, mightnot?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, I mean you.
You could um granted you as thebuyer.
It's just like anything you'rea consumer, so you've got to be
aware of what you have to readthat so read that and and um,
you know, I've always said thistoo is um talk to agents, you
know.
you know a lot of times you'llget somebody that's like, oh,
this is who grandma used, orthis is whoever, and that's
great, and if they're, they workwell for you and they've done
(34:57):
good, that's great, but not whenI have the conversation, you
know.
So, yeah, you want to becareful that are there people
that will do certain things.
I just, I don't see thathappening on a large scale.
I mean, humans are greedy thingscan happen, but that's you know
.
I think just the biggest adviceI would say is sit down, have a
(35:19):
conversation, make sure youclearly understand.
You know what's what in this,in that aspect, because when you
go to look at a home, you knownow the agent.
So I've got to pick up thephone and call the agent or text
them or whatever.
And, hey, you know how is thisworking in terms of compensation
, because I need to let thebuyer know as though, hey, look,
we're going to go look at, youknow, house one, two, three, you
(35:43):
know red street or whatever,these folks here.
This is this scenario.
So if you like this house andyou do this, you know
compensation is this right?
So you know I'm having thatconversation, you're agreeing to
it.
Then we go forward.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So compensation doesn't have to happen until
unless they buy it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, well, not necessarily like, so they, they
can buy.
Or we could actually do a um,um, like a consult fee or like a
fee basically for um, you know,helping them out through the
process.
So there's different thingsthat kind of go in there.
Um, so, there, be careful, whatyou read is my advice to see
what's out there.
So that way, um, when you'retalking to somebody and you can
(36:25):
see it, be careful.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Cause I'm just thinking like I'm a buyer's
agent.
I found a very vulnerable firsttime home buyer buyer.
Okay, I'm with you and I saw inand I write in there I'm, I'm
your representative for 10 yearsand I'm like you.
I'm like, yeah, sign here andthey sign that, and then they
can't get a hold of me on myphone it's muddy.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, I mean so then.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
So then I'm like well , if I can't get ahold of them,
I got to call another agent andthey make me sign that same
paper.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Well, you'll have.
So when you sign that.
You're going to most likely doit digitally, so you'll have a
copy of that that signed, right,so you'd have that.
So one of the things that Imean I would recommend is just,
you know, hey, look, I have apaper that's signed by this.
What does this mean?
You know that's one thing there, but, um, it's it's going to
(37:20):
make it challenging in an aspectof, uh, from a buyer's
perspective, where they've gotto be able to to pay attention a
little bit more.
Um, and then, from an agent'sperspective, I think it's a good
thing, because you actually sitdown, have a conversation, not
that we're not doing that now,but we I don't see it being a
big issue here.
(37:40):
I mean, if you think about, youknow a seller wants to sell a
house.
They're going to want to get asmany people as they can to buy
it, and you know with whatpricing would be.
And for you know again, go backto a reference we talked about
last week.
Let's say it's a $150,000 house,you know.
So if you're looking at thatsplit that's there, um, you're
(38:01):
willing to give that up to loseall these buyers and get you
that full price.
You just you're losing so muchopportunity goes in there.
So, um, but it's always beenthat way, like I said.
So, um, you could always, as aseller, done that and um you
know it can create somechallenges, that's for sure, I
think it'd be interesting.
And, but it's again.
Is it in your best interest?
(38:22):
Probably not, right.
So I, if I from the seller'sperspective, so I would.
I would advise um compensatingthe buyer's agent on that
transaction, because you alsowant to be able to have the
seller.
Yeah, cause you want to have agood separation between who's
representing the buyer, who'srepresenting the seller.
Yes, can you have both sides onthe transaction as an agent?
(38:45):
Yes, but you know, thinking itfrom a perspective, perspective
like that.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
So do you see it really changing much?
Do you see it agents kind oflike no?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I mean it's, it's, um , you know, it's an interesting
subject to explain and talkthrough, because I mean, you
know, we've spent what four orfive minutes talking about it.
It's kind of like there's a lotthat goes in there, but I feel
like that helps educate you as abuyer and a seller more on the
process, which that transparencyis a good thing, right?
So, um, no, I I think that,again, real estate's hyperlocal,
(39:21):
so what happens here is notgoing to be the same that
happens in the Hamptons in NewYork or in Tampa, florida, or
even in Marion County, right?
So all those things happen atdifferent points.
But, um, uh know, real estateagain in this area itself, no, I
don't, I mean link up with agood agent.
There are tons of them in thistown.
There's good people and, youknow, go through the process.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I love it.
Yeah, it'll probably cause alot of people to drink.
No, what?
Well, there's no need to.
It'll probably cause a lot ofpeople to drink no, well,
there's no need to.
Well, now there is a carryout.
See, I didn't look too muchinto this one.
I found two different ones.
Carryout House Bill 1086 allowsa bar or restaurant to prepare,
(40:07):
sell and deliver alcoholicbeverages for carryout to a
customer on the licensedpremises in sealed sealed,
non-original containers.
Which, like?
Does that mean you can get aroadie?
You can legally get a roadienow I thought you could still do
that, but I think you canlegally get a roadie.
Always get roadies from the club, but it's a really temple.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I usually get roadies from um.
Oh gosh, made right.
I usually get roadies from ohgosh, maid Rite.
I ate one there.
I ate one there, ate one on theroad and ate one when I get
home With cheese.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Have you tried the Big Jim?
No, with the ham Nope, neverhad that had chicken salad there
once.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
It was good.
The.
What had chicken salad there?
Yeah.
At the Maid Rite shop yeah,same one that you're going to.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I don't think I could even try chicken salad at the
Maid Rite shop.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, tried it once.
It's a nice little drive to goup there.
We used to go up there to well,we still do, but there's a five
below up there which ring thebell.
There's new news about that.
There's a five below coming toRichmond, coming to Richmond.
So there's some excitementthere.
We need one more discount store.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
People talk about that like crazy.
There's a comedian on myFacebook.
She lives here in Richmond.
She was talking about there.
In Carmel they have a 500 belowyeah.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Right, yeah, good stuff she was talking about
there and carmel they have a 500below.
Yeah right yeah, um, is olliestill a thing out here?
Yeah, yep, they've got somecool stuff.
You go in there.
I get.
I get outdoor stuff there, um,like rugs, really.
Oh, they've got lawn care stuff.
Then they do clothes, yeah, sothere, so there's all kinds of
stuff.
This isn't a commercial for allthese.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I'm going to try it, though.
Well, I've been like I lovediscount shit.
Yeah, check it out.
The online auction bid FTA yeah, but we have you know have
Midwest liquidators inConnersville.
That's where, like all myfurniture came from, almost, but
now.
That's where, like all myfurniture came from almost, but
now and I think I told you aboutthis is the perfect scheme open
(42:15):
up a liquidator store.
For the first few years, selleverything at a very low cost,
so people think they're gettingdeals, or you, but they are
getting deals I got deals on allthis shit and then, in two
years, raise your price up toclose to retail but still say
you're a liquidator store.
Dude, that's what they did.
(42:36):
Everything's like close toretail now, yeah, and they still
say they're a liquidator store.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
There's always only like two cars in there.
No, people quit buying stuffNot well, yeah, I mean, but
they're staying in business, sothey're still buying.
I was like this is the perfectlike.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Throw your hook line sinker out there.
The first few years markeverything down at a liquidator
price.
Jack it up.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You have to drive all that stuff in trucks here too,
because you get.
You know.
I mean, yeah, we were thinkingabout like.
And well, if you say youstarted your own up like, about
like.
And well, if you say youstarted your own up like, okay,
I bought a shop, you got to gofind stuff, and then you, uh,
you ever been to traders worlddown?
there uh, monroe ohio, like on75 south, is a big flea market
yeah, there's two like tradersworld and there was one it was
(43:22):
called turtle creek, I thinkit's called like pirate, pirate,
co hell, I don't know, butanyway we used to go there and
uh, it used to get go check outstuff and only open on the
weekends.
I don't know how they are now,I haven't been there in years,
but it was fun to go in there.
That's awesome Littleliquidator of stuff, I think.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
What an amplifier there.
One time I bought an OJ.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Simpson card there once Card, yeah, like a football
card.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I was like I'm going to hold this.
It's going to be worth amillion dollars one day it might
be.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
No, I tossed it somewhere.
I think I might have actuallysold it.
Gosh, it was maybe sometime inthe late 90s.
I probably got five bucks outof it.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Do you think he's guilty?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, his golf clubs.
I don't know if they're stillthere, but in Fisher's there is
this attorney's office.
This attorney basicallyrepresents the royalties of
famous people once they pass.
Because once they pass, likePrince was one of his Howard
(44:26):
Stern, not Howard Stern.
Who's the other porn guy, HughHefner?
Oh boy, yeah, so guy.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Hugh Hefner oh boy.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, so he was one of his clients.
So once they pass awaygovernment being, the government
comes in and says all of theirroyalty stuff, everything's
worth a whole lot more so weneeded more tax dollars off of
them.
So this attorney basicallyrepresents the royalties, the
family, and protects the familyfrom the government.
(44:55):
That's good.
Meanwhile he became friendswith, he gets to know his
clients, usually before theypass right, so he has
memorabilia from all of them.
He's got some interesting stuffhe does so he's got it laid out
(45:15):
like a museum.
It's called CMG Worldwide butit's laid out kind of like a
museum.
So when you walk in because howI got to know this is I had to
photograph a business that wasin it.
He has four sublets and I hadto photograph one time a cool
sculpting office.
But I got to look all aroundand oj simpson's um golf clubs
(45:41):
were there on display and thenthere was like I think betty
page right was the model on theairplanes.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Oh the what they call the pinup model.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, yeah, so I got to hold her wallet and see her
license and oh, that's coolsecurity card, so he has like so
there's, there's stuff from, soit's like a museum of stuff.
James dean, I think.
Um, you have there he.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
They were really good friends up until he passed I
find that shit cool, that allthat nostalgic stuff.
Like I think I told you that wewent to the American sign
museum down in Cincinnati.
Yeah man, that place is cool.
They just added some kind of.
I follow them on Facebook, sothey added some kind of new, new
wing or whatever.
But man, there are signs andjust different, like framing and
(46:28):
all kinds of stuff.
It's like old Americana ornostalgia that's out there and
it's like all neon, or well,there's neon or regular old
signs.
You know, stuff during worldwar two, all the way, well, even
before that.
But you know there's, there's alot of cool stuff that's in
there and it was pretty cheap togo in there.
But just something completelydifferent.
If you're like man, you know,chug 10 beers at a Reds game or
(46:50):
something like that.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Just want to go do something.
You're right, where is it?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
at In Cincinnati, right off of 75, right before
you get to, right in the heartof all the downtown.
Yeah, american Sign Museum,really cool place.
Check it out.
Yeah, it's a good one and youcan take pictures there, just
not like professional they don'twant you doing like, I think,
for like modeling and thingslike that, because there's some
really really cool stuff there,but you can take pictures.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
It would be cool to do some portraits.
Yeah, if you want to be bythere.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, like they've got you know old Howard Johnson
signs and just you know oldMcDonald's signs, old cars.
I mean there's a lot of coolstuff and you just kind of go,
oh man.
Life Inscripted with Kevin Shook.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Let's talk about the new house bills.
So July 1st you mentioned, yougave me a list of these and one
was a ban on cell phones inschools.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, I didn't look too deep into it but maybe
someone can comment that is alittle bit more educated on it.
But it sounds like that cellphones will be banned in public
schools going forward.
So that kind of.
It's interesting from a lot ofdifferent perspectives.
From a parent's perspective, I,I don't think I like it, but I
(00:36):
also understand that thedistraction it can be, because
it's a distraction for a uh, fora 43 year old, let alone for a
teenager in school, or it's oneyounger.
What's the pouch?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
oh god, the yonder pouch they're gonna make them do
yonder pouches.
So do you know it's a ban forsure I'm not sure the specifics
on on.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That's what I'm wondering, like what the actual,
what the details of it are, butfrom from what it looks like
there will be some form of a banof a cell phone or watch, or
whatever, I've seen that Rod'sauthored it, so that would be
kind of cool if he was watchingbecause, then he could comment
and tell us, since he wrote thebill.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
All I could find on the state website was that it's
going to require the school tohave adopt and implement a
wireless communication devicepolicy that governs student use
of a wireless communicationdevice and publish this policy
on the website.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So they have to have something tangible that you can
actually yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So I don't know if it'll be like a complete band.
It's kind of.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It would be kind of hard to do something in the
middle yeah, district bydistrict may be difficult, but
world's such a different place,I mean, and we're, we're
connected to these things,obviously, and children that are
born are, from the moment thatthey're born, that's in their
face, right?
I mean, that's that's what theysee, right?
Um, unless you're amish, youknow.
(02:10):
But um, so if you've got thatand that's a part of the tool of
society, whether it be good andbad, and everybody's got an
opinion and I understand thatand respect that, but it's um,
and that's tough because, youknow, it sounds like there needs
to be some adjusting, maybe, ofof how um we approach teaching,
(02:32):
with an emphasis of knowingthat that's going to be a part
of that's always going to bethere, right.
That's what I'm saying.
So like are we?
You know a balance is good, youknow, with with an actual book,
with some actual things there.
So maybe that's, maybe that's asolution to it, as you have a
certain amount of time that'srestricted and I'm in the seven
minute passing period, and I, Imean there's been plenty of
(02:54):
times where our kids, you know,have been in a scenario where
you know they needed to send aquick text message to us or
whatever, and it was, of course,you know, not during times when
they weren't supposed to havetheir phone right.
But you know, that's important,I think, to be able to have
that communication, especiallyin um, you know, times where
things move rapidly, so beingable to be in contact is, uh,
it's important withtransportation, all that stuff,
(03:17):
so uh yeah, hot button issue forsure it's, it's major hot
button.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You could take it as far as there's an active shooter
.
Any phone call is a good phonecall, whether it comes from a
student.
The teacher might be dead, sothe one person with a cell phone
might be dead.
So there's pros and cons tothis.
That's why I'm hoping it's notlike a complete ban.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well, yeah, I mean, the other kind of worry I would
have is I was blessed to havevery involved parents, and
Chandra and I are involved inour daughter's lives pretty deep
to the point where, you know,we were open with them about a
lot of things and we talked tothem.
So that has helped us to beable to communicate with them in
their way so that way we canrelate and have that
(04:03):
conversation and deepen thoserelationships.
So you know, there are someinstances where you know you've
got a split relationship oryou've got, you know, the only
way there's communicationhappening maybe on that phone,
and to be able to have that withyour child and not be able to
have that, I guess I should sayis, yeah, that could be a
challenge, but there's.
I see both sides of it to anextent, but I would say that if
(04:26):
you know, if you're like what'syour opinion on, I would say,
man, those kids need to havethose phones.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Right, well, and I I just think there would be.
It would be hard to findsomething in the middle.
Yeah, unless it's unless andI'm sure the technology is there
.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
We have AI, so is there a way, in that
geographical location of theperimeter of the school, that it
would only allow phone callsand texts?
Well, I mean right now, ifyou're connected to the Wi-Fi
connectivity in a school, Idon't think there's certain
things you can like oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So I mean, there's things that are there a school.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I don't think there's certain things you could like,
oh yeah, so I mean there'sthings that are there, um, but
gosh, I mean that leads to.
I sent you a video earlierabout um, apple's newest
software update in ios 18, andwhat they're going to be able to
do where they can.
It solves math problems.
The ai that they're baking intothat like what?
That software?
When that launches in probablyseptember, october, when they
typically launch um, maybeearlier, but anyway, that's
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going to be very hard forschools to keep that away
because, I mean, that's a toolto help a kid and I may not be
able to learn from a teacher.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And here's the thing like that's not going anywhere.
None of this technology isgoing anywhere, so it's kind of
like embrace it, teach it andlet's move 10 times faster.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I think if you prevent the child from having
the technology and the device,you're moving backwards.
And we want to move forward,but we want to move forward
smartly calculated and a way toprogress them and obviously help
them learn and be bettercitizens.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And understand how the tools work, use the tools
they're given.
Yeah, um.
So the next, the next uh billthat was passed, house bill 1183
.
And that was um banning thepurchasing of property from
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foreign adversaries.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Okay, okay.
I think that's happening insome other States too.
But so specifically, if fromthis is again understanding that
I'm from my understanding so ifyou are a foreign adversary of
the U S I E, china, russia, iran, north Korea, you're not able
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in the state of Indiana topurchase land specifically by a
military installation.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So I don't think that's a bad thing.
No, it's not a bad thing.
It's been needed for years.
I don't see where, I don't seewhere that could be something
where someone says you know, Imean like they need to actually
go back and figure out how totake that land back from china.
That's around all the militaryand you open up loopholes of
then because someone slidesanother.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's never a clean bill that just comes in it says
you know, hey, this is what thisis then it's another question,
for Maybe he's like can you justdo this?
One is like hey, if you're fromhere, we can pull this versus
um, well, if you're any of theselike yeah because what's
considered an adversary?
They don't like the fact thatyou talk about um.
We have.
There's a list, you know wellor changed.
(07:50):
There is a list of countries,the list of of foreign
adversaries.
Yep, okay, on the on the onthese house bills, I would say
the four that I?
I mentioned china, russia,north korea.
Uh, what was the fourth one?
I said iran.
Okay, those would be the four.
And what hospital?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
did I say that was Okay, those would be the four.
What hospital did I say thatwas 1183.
All right, let's get 1183.
It did name it out.
Foreign ownership.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I mean if you're putting, if you're buying the
farmland and you know if you'redoing it for a business, but if
you are, I don't know.
There was an air balloon flownover the country all last year,
so I don't know which ended upbeing bogus.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, China, Iran, North Korea, Russia or a country
designated as a threat tocritical infrastructure by the
governor under section 8b ofthis chapter so country itself
okay well, country that.
Any threat, there you go.
America I don't see a problemwith that I think that's a good
thing it is, because here's theproblem they they want to ban
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tiktok, ban t, ban TikTok, banTikTok.
Meanwhile, they let thesepeople buy land around military
camps, right around the militarycamps.
Why is China need?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
that land as the technology is deepening and the
kid can get on the iPad and doalgebra.
What do you think they're doing?
I know that's not a bumblebee.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
That's not a match on Bumble, so this is needed to
happen yeah and I'm glad tothat's an easy one yeah, I'm
glad to see it.
Um, so, the next one, the nextone.
So we just actually, jason,picked out all of these, um
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interesting, interesting,interesting so now throwing
stars are legalized, but it doessay with the exception of
schools, duh so throwing, sothrowing stars.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Can you define what a throwing star is?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I mean, yeah, a metal like the, well, like a ninja
star.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, so I wonder how long have they?
Yeah, because I tried.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I drove around to all the pawn stores today.
I want that the pawn storearound 11th.
I was like hey, you got any ofthose bone stars?
And they were like those areillegal.
I'm like not of like four daysago.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Bill number whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, bill number, oh my god, because I just wanted
one to like.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
No, I don't.
I've seen them before, but Iwonder how long they've been
banned.
And then it makes me think ofthings like yard jarts, you know
like yeah, bring them back.
You know I mean, but man, yeah,well, there was.
It was probably in the 80s, ismy guess is when that was banned
(10:48):
.
But there was a huge push, whatin the 70s, 80s, with bruce lee
, chuck norris man, I remembermy dad was huge into those two
guys specifically.
Uh, bruce lee, but, um, my dadhad nunchucks.
Nunchucks, he had real woodenones, I had plastic, well, and
one time I hit myself in thenuts with them.
God, it was awful.
But uh, yeah, there was, um, abig influence on karate and
taekwondo and all the martialarts.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So yeah, now we're just too lazy to just do all
that.
Society's just like fuck that.
Yeah, but I wanted to find oneman.
Those are really cool.
Um, I feel like kind of likepeople shooting themselves in
the legs all the timeaccidentally.
I feel like we're gonna justhave a lot of hands that are cut
up from trying to throw thosethings stupid stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
But then there's also , you know, the entrepreneur in
me is thinking man, could youlike screen press stuff on the
throwing stars, like logos thatwe give?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
them at trick shows and stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
You want a yo-yo?
No, I'd rather have thethrowing star than put it in a
tree.
You know, pop a balloon with it.
I don't know.
I just thought of pogs.
Do you remember pogs?
Uh, the little circle, yeah,yeah, that was past my I was a
bit older when those came out,but I remember, remember them,
pogs so another one, which isgreat um, with all of our health
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care controversy in this nationthat doesn't exist because we
don't know when.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Everyone loves health care and we get great
healthcare around here.
Non-compete bans for primarycare doctors.
Did you look into this at all?
No, and this one's pretty farout of my wheelhouse of what I
so the more and more I read, themore and more it made it look
(12:21):
like primary care physicians canwork for multiple networks,
like there's no compete clause.
Okay, so like a free agent,yeah, um.
So there's not a whole lot.
There wasn't a whole lot ofinformation at all, and a lot of
these hospitals there reallywasn't so what benefit if you're
a physician.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You're not.
I mean, I can only relate it towhen I worked in the cell phone
industry.
There was non-compete clauses.
Like you know, I worked forSprint and you know at a time we
could not leave and go toVerizon um at certain levels of
um employment, different.
You know, whatever your role wasand things like that, which I
mean.
If you're, then it cause.
(13:03):
I mean think about this if thatwas because of business, right
For growth and for competitionand for income, so then does
that mean that healthcare is notabout the person but about the
business?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
You're exactly right.
It's all.
It's all business competition.
When, when I was doing stufffor the, our local healthcare,
um man, it was all competitionon billboard strategy where to
put billboards in adjacentcounties that have another
hospital but I understand also.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You know that that you do have to make money to be
able to pay for your buildingsand growth.
You went to school for allthese years and you're educated.
God bless you for all thatstuff.
But it's like you know.
Went to school for all theseyears and you're educated, and
God bless you for all that stuff.
But it's like you know, is itmore about the people or is it
more about the income?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It's more about the income it's.
I mean, if the healthcarefacility owns private property
they want to develop apartmentson, we're way out of our
healthcare scope.
We're way we're not eventhinking about providing good
patient care.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So how do we get back to that?
Though that that, how do you,how do you get back to a patient
?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
first um mindset responsibility with any
organization healthcareorganization that we're talking
about, or anything you have toeither a restructure your entire
leadership administration,which that's probably the most
realistic thing that's going tohappen, because we're at a point
(14:30):
where something has to happenor B sell out, I see.
So you know, everything comesfrom the top down Morale,
everything comes from the topdown.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So it's the same way, so healthcare is ran the same
way.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's just another fortune 500.
Yeah, um, which is sad, yeah,um.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, it's nothing that we can change, you know um,
so non-compete so basicallythey're banning the
non-competing yeah, so they'rebanning it, so you could go from
one one community the positionto work here.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Monday through Thursday and then go work there.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Okay, friday through Sunday, so they could Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So similar to like an independent or like yours, your
your example of can't leave,sprint and go to Verizon.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, okay, well, I mean, I think that's that's a
better thing, because that waythe physician can then not be
under, I guess, certainguidelines certain restrictions
a certain way of doing businessright.
And a certain salary, becausenone of the compensation's well
(15:45):
obviously I wonder how that iswith younger folks now getting
in the medical field.
Is it the same thing as we needa lot of skilled labor?
Do we need more physicians?
I haven't looked into that.
How are we with doctors?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We always need that Problem of it is we now have 20
people between the physician andthe CEO that wants Rolexes,
which this is an Apple watch, bythe way, I know, but look, this
reminds me of a.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Rolex.
Well, that's a $9.99 Amazonadd-on right there.
I like it.
That's what I do.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I wish they would settle for that and give that
money back to that position.
They might stay here.
Well, yeah, that's true, so,okay.
So more it's just, and, andthis is nationwide, this isn't
just wayne county yeah it's uh,this is nationwide.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I mean everything that we talk about, that's a
challenge that we see locally isobviously something that's
everywhere.
It gets maybe centered justbecause we live here and we're
talking about it.
But I mean 99 of what we talkabout and see and talk about
beyond this podcast or whateveris um, we see it everywhere.
So it's just, yeah, so a masschange all the way around yeah,
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it's it.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
The whole paradigm shift needs to happen.
Doubt it'll happen, maybebecause we're in a society of
greed.
Yeah, it's for sure.
That was definitely everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Maybe you know the introduction of artificial
intelligence and that helps withsimplifying medicine to the
point.
I don't want to say simplifyingbecause I don't want to take
anything away from that, butlike, maybe it makes things more
efficient and therefore thathelps and the cost can go down
to the I mean mean so hopefullyit all, I mean hopefully a lot
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of things can get resolved.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, I think we can all agree A lot of perspectives
change.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
We want people healthy.
We want them to live longer.
We want them happier.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And yeah, so okay, so moving on, let's let's talk
about the house bill 1142, sincewe're kind of talking medical,
okay, um, this kind of goes intosome of what I did for living
for a while.
(17:54):
Um, so the state passed thishouse bill that, uh, provides a
medal of honor for firstresponders.
Okay, that does somethingextraordinary.
I guess I don't know howthey're nominated for it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I think it's cool.
It's a cool award.
So going above and beyond thecall of duty as a first
responder, yeah, but your job isto say, the lowest Getting
noticed more, I guess Okay,which is exciting, super cool.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Um, there's a flip side to it.
Me being in, you know, in emsand fire and all that shit for
19 years is when I finally quitall of it paramedic bye.
Um, I've seen a shift that youkind of see on social media too.
(18:50):
I see it more because, like,I'm friends with a lot of people
and follow, follow pages andstuff.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But we are an award-driven society there's a
lot of people that that's amotivator.
Some people are um, they, theydon't need the, the lights, they
don't need the glamour, theydon't need the award.
But and maybe I'm an oddity tothat, but I've always kind of
been myself, this is about me.
(19:16):
But I've just always kind ofthought like the hardware is
nice, or the trophy or theplaque or whatever, but I would
rather just, you know, performand make sure I'm, I'm
progressing in life with mygoals.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So so where's the balance between recognition for
something that you did um?
Where's the balance betweenthat and doing everything you
can to get awards?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's unfortunately, I think, things always get
politicized and we live in animperfect world with imperfect
people that have differentdesires and motives, and so I
think maybe who regulates someof that with that medal of honor
?
That would help.
You know, because, like what,what is considered?
Going above and beyond, like Isaid, you know, so you're.
If you're a paramedic, you knowpart of your job title is
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you're saving lives, right, soyou save a life.
If you know I'm ever put in aposition where I can save a life
, you know, maybe I get acitizen's medal of honor so
that's who deserves it.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
But it's not your job to save the life.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But okay, then that leads me to think that those
that are, that are professionalsat saving lives.
Maybe they are involved afterhours, they're involved in
community things to bettersociety as a whole, and then
you're putting yourself and yourprofession on a platform and
making it where it's um again, I, I would assume that it's
(20:43):
probably um a profession thatneeds more people.
Oh yeah, so you know, puttingthat in the spotlight is like
hey look, this is super cool,look at what you're doing.
You know you're saving lives,you're working with this, but
also there's a, you know, I'msure, other sides to it that are
just couldn't imagine.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Well, there's just a lot of little hot buttons for me
in this, because I did thisshit for a long time, I saved
numerous fucking lives, becauseI was trained to do it Right.
But I see, like all of thisrecognition or self-recognition
(21:21):
A lot of it's self-recognitionLike, look at me, I fucking
saved a life.
And the awards, fuck the awards, because that's not what EMS
needs, that's not what FIREneeds.
They need well more so EMSactually paid and compensated.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Well, maybe then by getting an award, and here's a
way of looking at this way ifyou get the recognition and you
get the award, um, privatebusiness will want to link into
that somehow, and then there youcan get some compensation that
way, some form of a um, there'ssome form of benefit that could.
There's some form of a benefitthat could be like you know, hey
, this business owner reallyappreciates you, know what
you've done, and your medal ofhonor, first responder, and we
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want to celebrate you this way,you know, I mean, it could
probably start, you know, startslow.
Here's breakfast, whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean, it's terribly thinking that way but no, I
mean, it's terribly thinkingthat way, but you know what I'm
saying.
That's how it goes, bro.
Here's a pizza.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Happy EMS week.
Well, it's like, you know, soyou go there.
It's like here's 10% off yourcable bill, you know, I mean
it's like, but you're like no, Iwant to get paid more.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So it needs to be recognized.
So here's Well, ok, so I quitthe paramedic stuff.
Like a month ago, back infebruary, we had a critical
pediatric run, like supercritical um, and in my 19 years
(22:55):
at ems I swore this kid wasgonna die.
I was like he's gonna die, it'slike we're just prolonging it.
He survived, right.
So that was really fucking cool, um, and I would message I'd
talk to medical director everyday and shit about it, right,
dude's gotta be dead.
Like injuries were crazy, jeezand uh.
(23:20):
But so I since quit.
You know this.
The business got really good andthen I just it that should.
It just wasn't for me.
After a while, like I couldn'tit wasn't really the runs and
everything else anxiety wasstarting to kick because of some
dumb shit, um, with, like youknow, there was a run.
(23:42):
There was another run where wedelivered a baby, everything
went perfect.
And then, like the next shift,they're like you need to mark
out a service and come down hereASAP and I'm like what the hell
?
So like scared the shit out ofme.
I'm like what happened?
And because I'm like mydocumentation, they thought I
did some like really bad, likedocumentation.
(24:04):
They thought I did some likereally bad, like semi-illegal
stuff, and I was like, no,that's no, no, so it's just like
I don't want to always be,because that increases anxiety.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, like she want to drink alcohol right, so get
the hell out.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I'm like I'm just done with this shit.
Um, so they?
So I was recognized the otherday.
That's good, yeah, but theydidn't invite me because you
were gone because I quit.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So are they going to mail you like some kind of she?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
said they were going to mail it mail and they posted
it on social media like not inthis photo, but but recognized
was Kevin.
And then my partner also quitsince then.
Well, so the two people on therun both quit.
So it's kind of like it's kindof like what's that?
Say, yeah, the two people onthat pediatric run of census
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quit.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
That made you feel like shit, didn't it?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah, that sucks man, even the medical
director was like like that wasshitty because she wasn't part
of that program.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
it was from the provider on the helicopter well,
when you get your uhcertificate, you can show it to
the world bro.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, maybe I'll get a medal, fucking honor.
Well okay.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
so anyway, that's like, um, I mean, I feel like
that's a good thing too, that'sa good, I think that's a good.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's a good start, but they need to be signing
house bills where EMS is paidjust like fire and police.
Because this building burneddown.
What are we at?
Yeah, that's what I neverunderstood is you're out there
narcanning people and shit forless dollars an hour than people
at McDonald's working, and soso are cheeseburgers more
(25:46):
valuable than your life,people's lives, yeah, you know
what I mean.
So they they need the.
The pension needs to be this.
Everything needs to be the same.
It needs to it needs to getrecognized Right, because when I
was in fire dude whole it needsto get recognized right,
because when I was in fire dudeI haven't.
I might even have to touch achart.
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So it's kind of like they needto increase the salaries of ems.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
That's why there's so high turnover so they're not,
because the ems is not cityemployees anymore, right,
they're not, they're not sothey're all different throughout
the state.
Some are city, some privatesome city.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Some are county employees, so both of those
receive some tax funds right tooperate.
And then you have private.
That like solely transfers.
For the most part in ruralareas they might be contracted
to provide ems but they'resolely like rely on the money
they can get from these runsfrom Medicaid and Medicare,
(26:44):
which changes it all the time,so it's harder and harder.
Locally it's city.
The city runs the EMS.
Okay, when that was startedwhen I was here, and it still is
, and this is, I can talk aboutthis now because this is my
podcast and I'm not employedthere, so I feel really good
right now.
This is about to talk aboutthis now because this is my
podcast and I'm not employedthere, so I feel really good
(27:05):
right now.
This is about to be atherapeutic fucking moment.
Let's go, yeah that's it it'sunscripted.
So there's a problem with firedepartments running ems.
They put firefighters on thoseambulances that want to be
firefighters.
They don't want to beparamedics, but they make it a
requirement to be able to comeover and be a firefighter.
(27:29):
That you have to do this.
99% of the people on theseambulances don't want to be on
these ambulances, so how's thatmake you feel when they pull up
to your house to take care ofyour grandma?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Knowing they were forced to be paramedic, forced
to be this, just because theywant to be firefighters.
So it should be separate, right?
The problem with separating itis years ago, tax caps,
everything else.
Um, it's really hard to get agood general fund for the fire
department to buy nice trucksthat they need, because you do
(28:03):
need nice trucks, you do needtraining grounds, like all that
shit is very necessary.
Um, and, and I laid around inrecliners, it's a fireman thing,
but when you need, when theshit hits, the fan when the
shit's the fan.
You need that, all thatequipment you need four people
not three.
You need four people, not threepeople.
You need four people on thoseengines and taking care of
(28:25):
things.
Right, I agree, but because ofthose general funds were
depleted.
They seen EMS, which stands foremergency medical services.
They seen it as extra moneysource.
So that's how the amortis cameinto play as an extra money
source.
So that's how the ambulancescame into play as an extra money
(28:45):
source.
So because they havesuppression on that, it's not
separate.
You have more control of thosefunds so you can push, push,
push as many runs as you can offthose ambulances.
And at that time we were doingtransfers so we would go to the
nursing home and take them toanother nursing home, or we
(29:07):
would go to this hospital andtake them to Bloomington or
something, taking our ambulancesout of the city just to make
money to help buy new firetrucks, new training grounds.
It crosses funds over, it's abusiness.
No, it wasn't, it's strictly.
Crosses funds over, it's abusiness.
No, it wasn't.
Just to get it, it's strictly.
Those ambulances are strictly abusiness.
(29:27):
It should be separated.
And civilians, if the statewould a lot more funds to the
suppression side, increase thegeneral funds for the fire
department so they can fullystaff, with the equipment they
need, the training they needevery year.
(29:50):
Which is it's so doable?
Because we have over like 100state agencies, and the last
time I heard anything was fromDel G and she said almost 50% of
these state agencies could becut.
So there's money there, we'rejust misallocating it.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, maybe someone's hearing this, you know, and
that message should get out.
I mean, that's part of theplatform.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So if you take those tax dollars, put back in that
general fund, cut thoseambulances from the suppression
side.
Hire civilian EMTs andparamedics that actually want to
be EMTs and paramedics.
Let the firemen do their jobs.
You know what I mean, becausewe don't send a police
department to security gigs tomake money to pay for police
cars.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, so it all comes down to the almighty dollar.
Yeah, yep, okay.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
It's wild.
No, it's why.
Oh man, I got, I kind of gotoff.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
No, it's good Didn't mean that we were able to
express it.
It's good out there.
Yeah, it's, it's legit.
Um, yeah, like I said,hopefully somebody hears that,
you know um and that's all inthat arena, that's all across
the nation.
Yeah again same things it's notlocal problems, it's everywhere
so it goes in the all kinds ofstuff I mean so, um, you know,
(31:10):
other nationwide things that areout there too there is, like
the um, buyer agencyrequirements for residential
real estate.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
okay, yep, would you happen to know a realtor that
could tell me anything aboutthis, sir, I know many, many
good ones.
Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
No, um, it's one of his names, Jason.
No, yeah, that's a.
There's been, you know, alittle talk here and there, but,
uh, effective July 1st, yeah,buyer's agency, Um, so try to
break this down and make itsimple, cause it really in
itself is so.
If you're buying a house, youknow you go to houses for sale.
(31:51):
Sellers got it listed.
We will have to have you, we'llhave a conversation and then
we'll document that you may beresponsible for paying the
compensation for the buying sideof the transaction.
So, yeah, that can be achallenge for some folks, but if
you think about it from aseller's perspective, you know
(32:12):
it's like these are.
It's a new requirement, but thishas always been the way in
Indiana, you know.
So if you are a seller, you goto sell your house, you know you
could pay some compensation tothe buyer's agent.
You could pay no compensation.
You know it depends on what youthink's in your best interest.
You know I didn't have to tiemy shoes today, but it was in my
(32:36):
best interest, right?
You know.
So if you're thinking from theperspective of I'm selling my
house and I have buyers thatwant to buy my house, but
they've already got to pay theirclosing cost their down payment
and inspection and appraisal.
How many really have that extrato pay for compensation for the
other agent?
So likely that seller that'sselling that home benefited from
(33:01):
that same scenario when theybought their home and they'll
likely benefit from it again.
So, you know, is that somethingthat it's changed?
It's a nationwide change, it'sgone through.
But there's really it'sbusiness as usual here and, like
I said, there's several, a lot,several, several, a lot,
whatever great real estateagents in this town that can
(33:23):
explain that that will take careof you, and I'm glad to work
with a lot of them.
So my, my advice, I would say,is you know, if you go to sell
your house, I would definitelyrecommend that you um have it to
where it's available for thebuyer's agent to be compensated,
because think of all thosebuyers that won't be able to pay
for that compensation.
(33:44):
So then that lessens the amountof people that are looking for
your house and you're going towant to get as much money as you
can.
If you're selling your houseand if you're a buyer, you're
going to want to be able to getit and still be able to have
money in your pocket if you canafford it.
So it's kind of a scale thatweighs out itself.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
So do you think I'm just thinking worst scenario?
You said there's a lot of greatagents, there's some that's not
so great.
Do you think any of them willum slide in?
So so is there a template rightnow?
And are they all the same?
So, like if I was a buyer'sagent and I gave you a contract,
(34:25):
could I ride out out on therefor the next 10 years?
I'm your buyer, I represent you, and then it's very small fine
print that I'm the buyer, mightnot?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, I mean you.
You could um granted you as thebuyer.
It's just like anything you'rea consumer, so you've got to be
aware of what you have to readthat so read that and and um,
you know, I've always said thistoo is um talk to agents, you
know.
you know a lot of times you'llget somebody that's like, oh,
this is who grandma used, orthis is whoever, and that's
great, and if they're, they workwell for you and they've done
(34:57):
good, that's great, but not whenI have the conversation, you
know.
So, yeah, you want to becareful that are there people
that will do certain things.
I just, I don't see thathappening on a large scale.
I mean, humans are greedy thingscan happen, but that's you know
.
I think just the biggest adviceI would say is sit down, have a
(35:19):
conversation, make sure youclearly understand.
You know what's what in this,in that aspect, because when you
go to look at a home, you knownow the agent.
So I've got to pick up thephone and call the agent or text
them or whatever.
And, hey, you know how is thisworking in terms of compensation
, because I need to let thebuyer know as though, hey, look,
we're going to go look at, youknow, house one, two, three, you
(35:43):
know red street or whatever,these folks here.
This is this scenario.
So if you like this house andyou do this, you know
compensation is this right?
So you know I'm having thatconversation, you're agreeing to
it.
Then we go forward.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So compensation doesn't have to happen until
unless they buy it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, well, not necessarily like, so they, they
can buy.
Or we could actually do a um,um, like a consult fee or like a
fee basically for um, you know,helping them out through the
process.
So there's different thingsthat kind of go in there.
Um, so, there, be careful, whatyou read is my advice to see
what's out there.
So that way, um, when you'retalking to somebody and you can
(36:25):
see it, be careful.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Cause I'm just thinking like I'm a buyer's
agent.
I found a very vulnerable firsttime home buyer buyer.
Okay, I'm with you and I saw inand I write in there I'm, I'm
your representative for 10 yearsand I'm like you.
I'm like, yeah, sign here andthey sign that, and then they
can't get a hold of me on myphone it's muddy.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, I mean so then.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
So then I'm like well , if I can't get ahold of them,
I got to call another agent andthey make me sign that same
paper.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Well, you'll have.
So when you sign that.
You're going to most likely doit digitally, so you'll have a
copy of that that signed, right,so you'd have that.
So one of the things that Imean I would recommend is just,
you know, hey, look, I have apaper that's signed by this.
What does this mean?
You know that's one thing there, but, um, it's it's going to
(37:20):
make it challenging in an aspectof, uh, from a buyer's
perspective, where they've gotto be able to to pay attention a
little bit more.
Um, and then, from an agent'sperspective, I think it's a good
thing, because you actually sitdown, have a conversation, not
that we're not doing that now,but we I don't see it being a
big issue here.
(37:40):
I mean, if you think about, youknow a seller wants to sell a
house.
They're going to want to get asmany people as they can to buy
it, and you know with whatpricing would be.
And for you know again, go backto a reference we talked about
last week.
Let's say it's a $150,000 house,you know.
So if you're looking at thatsplit that's there, um, you're
(38:01):
willing to give that up to loseall these buyers and get you
that full price.
You just you're losing so muchopportunity goes in there.
So, um, but it's always beenthat way, like I said.
So, um, you could always, as aseller, done that and um you
know it can create somechallenges, that's for sure, I
think it'd be interesting.
And, but it's again.
Is it in your best interest?
(38:22):
Probably not, right.
So I, if I from the seller'sperspective, so I would.
I would advise um compensatingthe buyer's agent on that
transaction, because you alsowant to be able to have the
seller.
Yeah, cause you want to have agood separation between who's
representing the buyer, who'srepresenting the seller.
Yes, can you have both sides onthe transaction as an agent?
(38:45):
Yes, but you know, thinking itfrom a perspective, perspective
like that.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
So do you see it really changing much?
Do you see it agents kind oflike no?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I mean it's, it's, um , you know, it's an interesting
subject to explain and talkthrough, because I mean, you
know, we've spent what four orfive minutes talking about it.
It's kind of like there's a lotthat goes in there, but I feel
like that helps educate you as abuyer and a seller more on the
process, which that transparencyis a good thing, right?
So, um, no, I I think that,again, real estate's hyperlocal,
(39:21):
so what happens here is notgoing to be the same that
happens in the Hamptons in NewYork or in Tampa, florida, or
even in Marion County, right?
So all those things happen atdifferent points.
But, um, uh know, real estateagain in this area itself, no, I
don't, I mean link up with agood agent.
There are tons of them in thistown.
There's good people and, youknow, go through the process.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I love it.
Yeah, it'll probably cause alot of people to drink.
No, what?
Well, there's no need to.
It'll probably cause a lot ofpeople to drink no, well,
there's no need to.
Well, now there is a carryout.
See, I didn't look too muchinto this one.
I found two different ones.
Carryout House Bill 1086 allowsa bar or restaurant to prepare,
(40:07):
sell and deliver alcoholicbeverages for carryout to a
customer on the licensedpremises in sealed sealed,
non-original containers.
Which, like?
Does that mean you can get aroadie?
You can legally get a roadienow I thought you could still do
that, but I think you canlegally get a roadie.
Always get roadies from the club, but it's a really temple.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I usually get roadies from um.
Oh gosh, made right.
I usually get roadies from ohgosh, maid Rite.
I ate one there.
I ate one there, ate one on theroad and ate one when I get
home With cheese.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Have you tried the Big Jim?
No, with the ham Nope, neverhad that had chicken salad there
once.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
It was good.
The.
What had chicken salad there?
Yeah.
At the Maid Rite shop yeah,same one that you're going to.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I don't think I could even try chicken salad at the
Maid Rite shop.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, tried it once.
It's a nice little drive to goup there.
We used to go up there to well,we still do, but there's a five
below up there which ring thebell.
There's new news about that.
There's a five below coming toRichmond, coming to Richmond.
So there's some excitementthere.
We need one more discount store.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
People talk about that like crazy.
There's a comedian on myFacebook.
She lives here in Richmond.
She was talking about there.
In Carmel they have a 500 belowyeah.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Right, yeah, good stuff she was talking about
there and carmel they have a 500below.
Yeah right yeah, um, is olliestill a thing out here?
Yeah, yep, they've got somecool stuff.
You go in there.
I get.
I get outdoor stuff there, um,like rugs, really.
Oh, they've got lawn care stuff.
Then they do clothes, yeah, sothere, so there's all kinds of
stuff.
This isn't a commercial for allthese.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I'm going to try it, though.
Well, I've been like I lovediscount shit.
Yeah, check it out.
The online auction bid FTA yeah, but we have you know have
Midwest liquidators inConnersville.
That's where, like all myfurniture came from, almost, but
now.
That's where, like all myfurniture came from almost, but
now and I think I told you aboutthis is the perfect scheme open
(42:15):
up a liquidator store.
For the first few years, selleverything at a very low cost,
so people think they're gettingdeals, or you, but they are
getting deals I got deals on allthis shit and then, in two
years, raise your price up toclose to retail but still say
you're a liquidator store.
Dude, that's what they did.
(42:36):
Everything's like close toretail now, yeah, and they still
say they're a liquidator store.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
There's always only like two cars in there.
No, people quit buying stuffNot well, yeah, I mean, but
they're staying in business, sothey're still buying.
I was like this is the perfectlike.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Throw your hook line sinker out there.
The first few years markeverything down at a liquidator
price.
Jack it up.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You have to drive all that stuff in trucks here too,
because you get.
You know.
I mean, yeah, we were thinkingabout like.
And well, if you say youstarted your own up like, about
like.
And well, if you say youstarted your own up like, okay,
I bought a shop, you got to gofind stuff, and then you, uh,
you ever been to traders worlddown?
there uh, monroe ohio, like on75 south, is a big flea market
yeah, there's two like tradersworld and there was one it was
(43:22):
called turtle creek, I thinkit's called like pirate, pirate,
co hell, I don't know, butanyway we used to go there and
uh, it used to get go check outstuff and only open on the
weekends.
I don't know how they are now,I haven't been there in years,
but it was fun to go in there.
That's awesome Littleliquidator of stuff, I think.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
What an amplifier there.
One time I bought an OJ.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Simpson card there once Card, yeah, like a football
card.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I was like I'm going to hold this.
It's going to be worth amillion dollars one day it might
be.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
No, I tossed it somewhere.
I think I might have actuallysold it.
Gosh, it was maybe sometime inthe late 90s.
I probably got five bucks outof it.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Do you think he's guilty?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, his golf clubs.
I don't know if they're stillthere, but in Fisher's there is
this attorney's office.
This attorney basicallyrepresents the royalties of
famous people once they pass.
Because once they pass, likePrince was one of his Howard
(44:26):
Stern, not Howard Stern.
Who's the other porn guy, HughHefner?
Oh boy, yeah, so guy.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Hugh Hefner oh boy.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, so he was one of his clients.
So once they pass awaygovernment being, the government
comes in and says all of theirroyalty stuff, everything's
worth a whole lot more so weneeded more tax dollars off of
them.
So this attorney basicallyrepresents the royalties, the
family, and protects the familyfrom the government.
(44:55):
That's good.
Meanwhile he became friendswith, he gets to know his
clients, usually before theypass right, so he has
memorabilia from all of them.
He's got some interesting stuffhe does so he's got it laid out
(45:15):
like a museum.
It's called CMG Worldwide butit's laid out kind of like a
museum.
So when you walk in because howI got to know this is I had to
photograph a business that wasin it.
He has four sublets and I hadto photograph one time a cool
sculpting office.
But I got to look all aroundand oj simpson's um golf clubs
(45:41):
were there on display and thenthere was like I think betty
page right was the model on theairplanes.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Oh the what they call the pinup model.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, yeah, so I got to hold her wallet and see her
license and oh, that's coolsecurity card, so he has like so
there's, there's stuff from, soit's like a museum of stuff.
James dean, I think.
Um, you have there he.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
They were really good friends up until he passed I
find that shit cool, that allthat nostalgic stuff.
Like I think I told you that wewent to the American sign
museum down in Cincinnati.
Yeah man, that place is cool.
They just added some kind of.
I follow them on Facebook, sothey added some kind of new, new
wing or whatever.
But man, there are signs andjust different, like framing and
(46:28):
all kinds of stuff.
It's like old Americana ornostalgia that's out there and
it's like all neon, or well,there's neon or regular old
signs.
You know, stuff during worldwar two, all the way, well, even
before that.
But you know there's, there's alot of cool stuff that's in
there and it was pretty cheap togo in there.
But just something completelydifferent.
If you're like man, you know,chug 10 beers at a Reds game or
(46:50):
something like that.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Just want to go do something.
You're right, where is it?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
at In Cincinnati, right off of 75, right before
you get to, right in the heartof all the downtown.
Yeah, american Sign Museum,really cool place.
Check it out.
Yeah, it's a good one and youcan take pictures there, just
not like professional they don'twant you doing like, I think,
for like modeling and thingslike that, because there's some
really really cool stuff there,but you can take pictures.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
It would be cool to do some portraits.
Yeah, if you want to be bythere.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, like they've got you know old Howard Johnson
signs and just you know oldMcDonald's signs, old cars.
I mean there's a lot of coolstuff and you just kind of go,
oh man.
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