March 14, 2025 • 32 mins
Embracing Aging: Hair Care Tips, Going Gray, and The Impact of Hormones
In this episode of Life Gloss, we dive into a range of topics centered around aging and hair care. Our hosts discuss turning 58, and explore how hairstyles can significantly impact our appearances as we age. They draw parallels between themselves and 'The Golden Girls,' and elaborate on the evolution of beauty standards. Key discussions touch upon the controversies and personal choices surrounding going gray, hair length, and the role of hormones in hair health. They also emphasize the relationships with hairstylists, trying wigs for a new look, and the importance of scalp care. Learn about some of their favorite products and actionable tips for maintaining healthy and beautiful hair at any age. Tune in to hear their stories, get product recommendations, and reflect on your own hair journey.
00:00 Welcome Back and Birthday Celebrations
00:42 Hair and Aging: A New Perspective
01:09 The Golden Girls and Modern Hairstyles
02:08 Personal Hair Stories and Salon Visits
02:41 The Big Three: Gray Hair, Length, and Hormones
03:23 Salon vs. Home Hair Care
08:52 Embracing Change and Personal Style
14:18 Scalp Sensitivity and Product Recommendations
16:53 Understanding Sudden Changes in Skin and Hair
17:39 Hormones and Hair Health
18:04 Product Recommendations for Scalp and Hair
19:33 Personal Hair Care Routines and Tips
23:59 The Great Length Debate
27:04 Defining Personal Style and Happiness
28:49 Considering Partner's Opinions on Hair
31:59 Engaging with the Community
32:25 Conclusion and Future Topics
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Susan (00:04):
Hey Life Glossers, we're back.
Did you miss us?
It's been a while! And, you knowwhat's really cool, Hill?
I'm another year older.
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:13):
Happy birthday to you.
Susan (00:16):
Thank you! Fifty eight.
And, um, yeah, I can't believe Iactually can say that out loud
and not, like, hit the desk.
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:24):
No,
Susan (00:24):
eight!
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:26):
it's not
Susan (00:26):
Anyway!
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:27):
It's only just
Susan (00:29):
the
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:29):
begun.
Susan (00:31):
It's only just beginning.
So, I am stopping and smellingroses.
As we, as we march into this newyear.
Um, I'm so excited.
You know, we have a lot to talkabout today.
And I'm feeling really foxy.
Um, because I just got back fromNew York.
And of course, you know whatthat means.
A trip to Arte Salon to see themagnificent Gemma so I can wake
(00:56):
up and pretend that I just looklike this and roll out of bed.
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:59):
I love it.
And hair hair is such a hottopic, especially as we're
getting older.
You know, here's something thatI realized as we were preparing
for this episode.
Do you realize that we areexactly the same ages of the
golden girls?
So.
Susan (01:17):
Oh, I want to be Bea.
I want to be Bea.
I like to be.
Hillary Clark-Mina (01:21):
Right, so,
Susan (01:22):
Obviously.
Hillary Clark-Mina (01:23):
right, so, I was looking this up, and I was
like, wow, we are aging sodifferently now than we did
then.
And I did this little peruse ofthe internet and found, if you
put modern hairstyles on them,would it rewind the clock a
little bit?
Yes, to a certain degree, or ifyou put their hairstyles on us,
(01:45):
would it advance our age?
And the answer is yes, obviouslyskin is different now.
We're not smoking like we usedto.
We're taking better care ofourselves.
So all those things come intoplay, but hair definitely really
makes a big difference.
Hair, hair can really impact howwe look and we feel.
(02:07):
Okay.
Susan (02:08):
I have to tell you, um, yeah, it's like, you know, your
birthday comes along and otherpeople want to have these big
parties.
I just want to go to the salonand get my hair done because I
know I'll feel better and it'llmake blowing out that candle a
little less painful.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Um, but when I was in there.
(02:29):
And bombing around New York.
I did a little bit of shopping.
I've got some fun things thatI'm testing and trying it.
It just there was three topicsthat I was like, I have to call
Hillary.
We have to get on the podcast.
We have to talk about this witheverybody and the three things
that I want to cover with youtoday.
And I want to know how you feelabout all these going gray.
(02:50):
The big controversy over goinggray.
Length.
cut?
Do you not cut?
All that bullshit, right?
the third thing I thought aboutwas hormones in hair.
And I want to share a littlestory, a super quick one, as we
go through the products, becausethere's some products that I
wanted to share, that I use,that I really like.
(03:12):
I had a little bit of a hormoneissue happening with my hair,
and I
Hillary Clark-Mina (03:15):
Whoa.
Susan (03:16):
to Gemma about it.
And we fixed it and we solved itand it was really simple.
So about that in a minute.
Hillary Clark-Mina (03:22):
That's exciting.
You know, I'd also like to addone more thing that we've talked
about is salon versus in home.
Cause as you know, I have beendoing a three month experiment
of coloring my own hair.
I am going in in April andhaving her, you know, kind of
fix things.
(03:43):
Not that I've destroyed them.
But I wasn't able to get thecolor.
I don't really know my volume.
I don't know my tone.
So for me anyway, I'm going togo in quarterly if she'll still
have me and have her do mycolor.
But I have to maintain it athome every three weeks because
my hair is so white.
So we can talk about that too,because there are a lot of women
(04:05):
at home that are like, I can'tafford to go have my hair
colored every three weeks.
And I don't know what to doabout this.
Do I just surrender?
Susan (04:16):
I never surrender Dorothy.
I have a tip for that and andGemma and I talk about that a
lot at the salon and again, itdepends on how you're graying in
your hair.
So, you know what?
Let's just get into it.
Let's just get into the wholething.
So first thing Well, why don'twe talk about gray, the whole
gray thing?
So in the research that I'vebeen doing and talking to hair
(04:38):
stylists and then especially,you know, talking to Gemma She
has so much, um, Interestinginformation about going gray and
whatnot and it's hereditary.
It's genetic I mean, this issomething that look at your
parents or if you, you know, ifyou're able to how they went
gray And that's going to tellyou approximately, possibly,
(05:01):
probably when you will begin togo gray.
Hillary Clark-Mina (05:04):
Of course.
Everyone in my family, prematuregray.
Late 20s, 30s.
Susan (05:10):
And I'm the opposite.
You know, so I haven't startedto go gray yet.
I think we found one or two.
and I haven't started to go grayyet.
You know, you would think bythis point, whereas like my
husband started going gray inhis thirties and now he's like
totally white and he's youngerthan me.
So it's just fascinating.
Um, he likes to blame me forthat and he's probably right.
(05:32):
It's my fault.
But I think that it's such apersonal thing and I don't think
it's something to be.
ashamed of.
Obviously, I think we're waypast those days.
I know for me, I can't wait tostart getting some grays because
my color is going to liftfaster.
I know, I'm, you know, this is,this, there's a little bit of
(05:54):
color in here.
my color is going to lift fasterand it's going to blend easier.
And when you're blonde, It's atotally different subject than
when you are a brunette or evena darker black hair tone.
It depends on your base color,how you're going to move forward
with this.
Hillary Clark-Mina (06:12):
I'm going to be talking about um, the law
of inertia of the system in thecontext of uh, the law of
inertia of the system.
So, if you've heard of the lawof inertia, that is the law of
inertia of a system.
Um, and so, um, the law ofinertia is a law that defines,
uh, the relationship between thesystem and the environment that
(06:34):
exists in that system.
Transcripts will be sent to youremail address at the end of the
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for your time.
Susan (06:45):
such a personal thing, isn't
Hillary Clark-Mina (06:46):
It's such a personal thing and you will
probably notice that you mightenjoy because if you're the way
that you gray or go white, itwill brighten you up.
It's also going to be cool andyou like the cooler tone.
So that's going to be great foryou.
Um, for me, I loved when Istarted going gray.
Even in my late twenties into mythirties, it was wonderful
(07:07):
because I could put a solidcolor on my hair and the grays
and the salt and the pepperswould give me natural
highlights.
So I didn't have to spend onhighlights for decades because
of my gray.
It is different.
Like for me, I don't look goodas a cool blonde or an ashy
blondes or anything like that.
It just make like, you'll wantto look at me and give me a hug
(07:29):
and say, are you okay?
I just look sad and.
A little like, yeah, like I needa cookie and a hug, so I have to
stay more golden.
I mean, I'm naturally astrawberry blonde and just
Susan (07:42):
too, though.
I've got a lot of strawberry inmy hair, but yet I pull cool
really easily,
Hillary Clark-Mina (07:48):
I do too with color.
I can either go really orange orpink even.
Or I go really ashy.
So whenever I start a newrelationship with someone that
does my color, I always tellthem, look, this is probably
going to take us two or threetimes to get it right.
Cause everything that you thinkmy hair is going to do, it's not
going to do.
(08:08):
And they always think, Oh, Ihear that from everyone.
And then there we are the fourthtime it's perfect.
So that's just how it goes.
Susan (08:19):
You bring up an interesting point, bringing new
relationships, and I don't wantto get too far off topic, but
relationships with the personthat does your hair.
So I'm probably an oddity,meaning the person who does You
know, my hair, Gemma, is someoneI've seen for almost 20 years.
We've been together for almost20 years.
She's given my kids their firsthaircuts.
(08:39):
She does my husband's.
She does the whole damn family.
And she's the only one I trust.
No matter where I've lived, I'veflown to see her.
You know, I've driven, I'vetaken trains, planes.
I've been literally, like, flownon my broom to see her.
I think that that's somethingthat a lot of our listeners
would be able to relate to is,um, you know, maybe we should do
a whole other podcast on this,but the people that you have in
(09:01):
your beauty village, right?
What do they mean to you and howdo they impact you?
Because we both have people inour beauty village that are
really important to us and quitefrankly, make us who we are.
Hillary Clark-Mina (09:15):
Right, and at this time of life, it's a
really exciting time ofinvention and reinvention and
rediscovery.
You're about to experience this.
I have a girlfriend right nowwho has one child and she's just
gone off to college and arelationship had ended.
Her daughter had gone off tocollege and she's managing
(09:37):
beautifully, but she's kind ofin that, like, What am I doing
now?
Where is my value?
What is, what is my life about?
What do I want the rest of mylife to be about?
And a lot of times becausethings are changing at the same
time with how we look, ratherthan giving up like we used to
at some point, it's anopportunity to be like, okay, so
(09:59):
who am I going to be in thisphase of my life?
So it does bode for a little bitof analysis and an opportunity
to say, What do I want thatmagical person to be like, if
I'm writing my story here inthis next chapter, what does she
look like?
What does the heroine of my lifelook like in this chapter?
Susan (10:20):
Yeah.
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:21):
And
Susan (10:21):
another
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:22):
like length and this and that.
And of course, there are norules.
We know there used to be rules.
The rules have gone out thewindow.
We don't do that anymore.
Um, there are things thatflatter, things that don't
flatter, but then there arepeople that can get away with
hair down to their waist intheir 80s and it's part of
their, you know, schtick,
Susan (10:41):
I'm going
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:42):
super, super short, bright red, part of
their vibe.
Susan (10:45):
the
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:45):
So there's a lot of freedom there, but
it's, it does, it does say takesome time and create your
character.
Susan (10:56):
yeah, I think that's a, I think that's such a cool point
Hill because I know for myselftimes where I'll even say, God,
should I go a little shorter?
Should I, should I, should I,should I?
And no, I think to your point,every time.
I want to say, okay, maybe Ishould do that.
I look back at pictures in highschool where my hair wasn't a
short bob with a perm.
(11:17):
And it's terrible.
I look terrible in short hair.
And I had short hair.
And I look back at thosepictures and think, Oh my God,
that was terrible.
And while I still have some hairon my head.
I want to enjoy it and embraceit.
And then we look at,
Hillary Clark-Mi (11:32):
Councilmembers from the other committees always
show up with the email sayinghey, this is the Committee
meeting and we're going tocontinue this we're going to
look at the mailing lists andcome up with a vote on and
Susan (11:48):
am,
Hillary Clark-Mina (11:49):
mm.
Mhm mm.
Mhm.
Okay.
Susan (12:09):
You can always toss it a pony.
You can always throw it into alittle chignon, toss it in a
little ballet bun.
I find it okay.
Way easier and way less productwith long hair than I do short
hair.
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:21):
Oh, I,
Susan (12:22):
I crazy?
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:22):
I personally agree.
I find, I mean, my hair wasplatinum and short, short, short
for years and years because it'sso thick.
It just wants to go like thisall the time.
So I was having to get it cutevery two weeks.
Um, You know, recent, notrecently, within the past few
years, I decided to go with ahaircut that was more, like,
here, like a long sort of a lobthing, and I found that,
Susan (12:47):
on you by the way.
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:48):
pardon,
Susan (12:48):
did look good.
It looked really good on you.
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:51):
oh, thank you, you know what I started to
notice, was that you saw this alot more?
And this right now is somethingI'm struggling to accept.
So cutting my hair here, it waskind of like, you know, wearing
a short skirt if you don't likeyour knees.
So cutting my hair here was likelifting up the skirt and being
like, Oh, now all of this ishighlighted and this is what I'm
(13:15):
working on.
So.
Pay attention and here's kind ofa radical idea.
If you are in a city or a town,you know, I'm in Los Angeles
You're on the East Coast but youknow if you're on this in a city
in a town that actually has likea good wig shop go in and Try on
wigs try the ways you wouldnever try before try put your
(13:37):
hair slick back braid it up Dowhatever go try on the crazy
colors the crazy cuts and theneven just subtle versions and
take photos Take photos
Susan (13:46):
Yeah.
Hillary Clark-Mina (13:47):
it out.
You might be surprised beforeyou commit.
So, it's a good way to testdrive a new look.
Susan (13:54):
are the best.
100%.
Wigs, hair pieces.
It's fun.
Hair should be as fun as makeupis.
So length, grays, touch uponhormones
Hillary Clark-Mina (14:05):
Let's do it.
Susan (14:06):
Let's do it because it's something that probably needs
its own separate,
Hillary Clark-Mina (14:12):
I think so.
Susan (14:13):
with guests.
I'd love to have a doctor comeon and talk about it cause we
are, you know, not, not doctors.
Um, but for myself personally,um, on For me, the one thing I
did notice was my scalp hasbecome a little more sensitive
and more reactive.
So I recently used a detoxshampoo that was highly
(14:34):
fragranced.
won't name the name because Iknow it works for a lot of
people and I thought, you knowwhat?
I'm gonna do a little detox andget in there before I go in and
have my hair highlighted.
And I go in, I get my hair donefour times a year because, as
you know, I just do highlightsand I like my own natural color
and it's my look.
It's my thing.
It also is a lot easier onlydoing it four times a year than
(14:56):
constantly having to, you know,do it every three weeks.
So I'm fortunate in that sense.
I did notice after using thisdetox shampoo, I got little tiny
red dots and dry scabby flakesand obviously like good news on
the scalp.
Hillary Clark-Mina (15:15):
Because I am a program manager.
And I, I don't want to say thatI am a human being.
I just want to say that I knowthat I am a human being.
It's a part of me.
I am a person of a concept.
I am a person of a principle.
And I know that I have aprinciple.
So I can say this, my principle.
(15:35):
And I understand it.
I think I know that.
That I should know.
And I should be able to do that.
Susan (15:42):
lotions and creams.
And we've talked about this.
It's the same for your scalp.
So I'm thinking, okay, no moredetox shampoos, no more
perfumey.
And then.
I got a new shampoo, it, and itwas gone the next day.
Like, washed it, dried it, gone.
My scalp is perfect, gone,beautiful.
(16:04):
So, as we go into product next,I'll, I'll share what I used
that really helped my scalphealth and my hair health for
me.
What was hormonal?
I mean, it had to be like, well,I blame everything on
Hillary Clark-Mina (16:16):
Well, and you've been changing your
hormones recently.
Plus you were also sick.
You were sick.
Susan (16:21):
yes, yes, you're
Hillary Clark-Mina (16:24):
You were also sick
Susan (16:26):
I did start taking some zinc, which was recommended to
me, um, to help with, uh, thescalp and to help with the skin
and whatnot, just short term,um, it's my understanding, you
might not want to stay on it forlong periods of time, but I was
run down, I had a really badflu, you know, I had the flu
this year, like everybody else,First time being sick in seven
(16:46):
years or sorry, five years, um,since the pandemic and got the
flu along with everyone else.
And yeah, I think you're right,Hill.
I think, you know, changinghormones, um, uh, using a new
product, um, being sick.
So I just bring this up becauseI know some of our listeners,
the same thing, all of a suddensomething changes.
(17:07):
of panicking, which, yeah, Idid, I panicked because that's
kind of sometimes what I do.
But instead of panicking, take alook and say, what's going on
with my health?
Did I use something different?
Did I just go through illness?
Am I, you know, what'shappening?
And it sounds so basic andsimple.
But I think I was so freaked outto just see all these like
little red bumps and flakes.
And I was like, what is wrongwith
Hillary Clark-Mina (17:29):
Of course
Susan (17:30):
could have been the product.
But I think it was a, I think itwas a cyclone of beauty, like
just exploded on my
Hillary Clark-Mina (17:36):
Right.
Right.
Susan (17:39):
but yeah, so hormones are a big thing.
Oh my God.
Look at your hair.
Hillary Clark-Mina (17:43):
know.
Susan (17:44):
that.
Hillary Clark-Mina (17:44):
this will all fall out.
This is just me being lazy.
I was hoping that I'd have itlike out and done and
everything, but you know, lifedidn't have that in store for
us.
So I figured there we go.
Susan (17:56):
I said, I just had mine done.
So, you know, that's the onlyreason we're looking like this
today.
So do you want me to show youthe product
Hillary Clark-Mina (18:04):
Show me your products because I'm on the
hunt.
So while you gather yourproducts for me,
Susan (18:09):
going to do
Hillary Clark-Mina (18:09):
you know, as a lot of our listeners may
know.
I just turned 50 last year, soI'm just a few months into being
50, and it's, it's fun, it'sexciting, but you know, I was
impaired, I've been in menopausefor years now, and I started
perimenopause easily, easily, ifI think back in my very early
(18:33):
40s, for sure, by 44.
So it's been a long time withhormones and hair health.
So much so that sometimes mycolor would take differently
depending on what was going onwith my hormones.
And initially people didn'tbelieve me, then finally I found
someone that did.
And we do have to adjustsometimes according to like
(18:55):
what's going on with myhormones, which we'll get an
expert on here to talk aboutthat.
Um,
Susan (19:00):
have someone.
Hillary Clark-Mina (19:02):
yeah, same formulas.
totally different outcome.
And I think truly it has a lotto do with the hormones, but,
um, the dry, my hair becomingdry and unruly.
If any of our listeners outthere have good suggestions, I'm
definitely starting with somescalp treatments or even scalp
(19:22):
oils because You know, we haveto treat our scalp like we do
the rest of our face, and Ithink for me, getting in there
with an oil is going to be theanswer.
Susan (19:33):
Yeah, yeah, I was laughing earlier because when
you said, Oh, I just turned 50and I was laughing because I'm
like, Oh, okay.
Well, you know, right
Hillary Clark-Mina (19:41):
Yeah,
Susan (19:41):
I
Hillary Clark-Mina (19:41):
but I started menopause so much
earlier.
So by that clock, I'm like 70.
Susan (19:50):
well, how about 10 days?
I feel 70.
So there you go.
Um, yeah, let me just really gothrough these
Hillary Clark-Mina (19:57):
Yeah.
Susan (19:58):
So we stay, so we stay, um, you know, on time here, but
so the product that helped myscalp.
the most and it is notspecifically designed for scalp
health,
Hillary Clark-Mina (20:09):
Right.
Susan (20:10):
for healthy hair.
Christoph Robbins products Ihave found to be extremely
effective but extremely gentle.
Hillary Clark-Mina (20:20):
Oh.
Oh.
Susan (20:21):
gentle, I find them really caring for more mature
hair and this um, hydratingshampoo with aloe vera, it's
clear.
It's lightweight, it'shydrating.
And I don't know if it was thealoe that was in here or what it
was, but my hair so shiny was somuch volume.
(20:42):
Okay.
Because part of hormones waslosing all that volume to this
product has saved my scalp andsaved my hair because it's
gentle hydrating.
It's safe for colored hair.
I just, I can't tell you
Hillary Clark-Mina (20:56):
Okay, we'll put that in the comments for
sure.
Susan (20:59):
Yeah.
Especially if you have finehair, like I have a lot of hair,
but it's fine textured.
Um, I need something thatcleans, but doesn't strip and
doesn't have all those funkyfragrances.
So I love
Hillary Clark-Mina (21:13):
Beautiful.
Susan (21:14):
love it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I follow it up with.
probably the most reparativedeep conditioner I have found
that doesn't weigh my hair down.
And that is the L'Oreal, theabsolute repair
Hillary Clark-Mina (21:28):
Really?
Susan (21:30):
chef's kiss.
Doesn't weigh it down.
It really is deep conditioning.
It repairs the hair.
It doesn't just add backmoisture.
So these two have
Hillary Clark-Mina (21:42):
I'm going to try those.
Susan (21:44):
you
Hillary Clark-Mina (21:44):
Well, the deeper pair, at least.
Susan (21:47):
yeah, and then, you know, I can share the rest of this
stuff on Instagram witheverybody else.
But I think I've talked about myovernight treatment that has
saved my hair, Kerastase.
And then this is really the oneproduct I, is my desert Island
product.
And that is, uh, the Davines,the, the milk spray,
Hillary Clark-Mina (22:06):
Oh, I need to get that.
Susan (22:08):
this is the best.
Use it on wet hair before blowdrying.
And then on dry hair to helpwith the flyaways to give a
Hillary Clark-Mina (22:16):
Okay.
Susan (22:18):
Um, it's my one product.
You don't need anything else.
This is insane.
So,
Hillary Clark-Mina (22:23):
That's what I'm looking for.
Cause I need, you know, I needhydration and, you know, I'm at
the point of where I'm like, Isurrender.
I'm about to just go back to myShu Uemura because that's the
only thing that seems tohydrate.
That's why I'm going to thescalp.
So rather than just trying todump product on.
I'm trying to really maybe putmore hydration into the scalp
(22:45):
because I'm noticing that I amreally dry and I love Shu
Uemura, but it's just, it's anarm and a leg all the time.
So
Susan (22:54):
Yes.
It's, and I love the, I use someof the, uh, there's a styling
paste that I like from, fromthem as well, and I do love
their products, but I'm tellingyou, this was the
Hillary Clark-Mina (23:04):
Okay.
You know the other thing that Ifind for myself that I'm using a
lot in my hair to tame flyawaysand we've had, we've had Adele
on is the Essentiel by Adele,just the lotion.
It's like I will take it becauseI have thick and somewhat coarse
hair.
I'll take it through as some ofyou guys may have seen me doing
(23:25):
and after I rub it in on myhands I'll just take it through
sort of a little bit of my, theends of my hair and I'm careful
with it.
But it really does help.
I mean, professionally, whenI'm, you know, working and on
the times when I do have to doboth hair and makeup, which is
really more with civilians thancelebrity.
With celebrity, I'm pretty muchjust doing makeup.
(23:48):
But with civilians, I'll getcalled in to do both.
And I have a whole arsenal ofstyling products because what I
like to use as an artist isdifferent than what I want for
my hair.
But,
Susan (23:59):
Right.
Hillary Clark-Mina (23:59):
the great length debate is something else
to talk about.
It's so interesting.
I saw photos of myself, um, atsome of the Oscar events and I
was working,
Susan (24:12):
ahead
Hillary Clark-Mina (24:13):
and I was like, ah,
Susan (24:14):
go
Hillary Clark-Mina (24:15):
hair feels like it just drags me down, but
I love having it long.
So.
Does that mean I just wear it upwhen I'm working and I know I'm
going to have, you know, shotswhere I need to have it up.
I just look bigger and it just,I feel like it pulls my face
down.
But in real life, having it thatlong, I get a lot of
(24:35):
compliments.
So it's weird right now.
I'm figuring it out.
I want to hear from all of our,from all of our audience.
Susan (24:44):
yeah, I think there's, there is a fine line for me, at
least when it gets too long,she'll cut it, you know, she'll
Hillary Clark-Mina (24:50):
Yeah.
Right,
Susan (25:13):
ask for some layers in the front people.
Um, I love babysitter hair too.
You know, as I call it, part ofthe middle dead straight long.
And I wore that for years.
That look can age you.
I will put that out there.
Um, if you don't get a fewlittle layers in there in the
the face framers, as I callthem, the, the, the money shot
(25:34):
hair light pieces, you know,think it can age you a little
bit, drag you down, make youlook a little tired.
So I did, I did succumb to thata while ago and she kind of
cleaned those up for me too.
But I did notice it creates, itcreates more volume for me too.
My hair looks her and you
Hillary Clark-Mina (25:54):
And there's a time to revisit.
I mean, I noticed this was shoesthe other day.
It's like, I used to love like.
You know, I could easily wearlike a sandal with a clunky heel
or something that maybe kind ofhad like a little bit of a
grandma vibe and it was ironicbecause, you know, I was young
in great shape with a heel that,you know, was maybe a little
(26:17):
grandma, but it looked cool andas I said, ironic and it was
fun.
So I bought one for summer thissummer and I put them on and I
was like, Okay, are these justextra grandma because it's a
designer that I don't normallywear I said or is the irony not
ironic anymore And is it time torevisit?
I think the same thing happenswith shoe with hair.
Susan (26:41):
yeah, I think If you already wore the look once,
possibly pausing
Hillary Clark-Mina (26:50):
Yeah
Susan (26:51):
doing that haircut, I don't know.
But then there's something to besaid for the classic look.
You know, classic cuts, I think,look great on everyone.
I love a great bob.
I think that looks so beautifulon so many women.
Um, I just, I think it's, youknow, I think like you said
earlier, Hale, I think we needto define who we are in our own
(27:14):
personal story.
What is our vibe?
What is our look?
Who are we?
Because if you haven't figuredout who you are by this point,
you may want to spend a littlebit more time on the couch doing
it because you know, this is itkids.
You gotta know who you are bynow.
You have to know what you like,what you don't like, who you
(27:34):
are, what you stand for.
Take the time to do it.
And we're not just talking hair,but just in life in general.
Take the time to do it.
If you haven't slowed downenough to write your own story,
tell your own story, it's reallyimportant to
Hillary Clark-Mina (27:49):
Right, and what does that mean now?
What does that mean in thischapter?
Number one, above and beyondanything else, what makes you
happy?
What makes you feel beautiful?
What hair makes you just feel,and it might not be hair for
everybody.
It's like layers of necklaces orvery simple or whatever.
What makes you feel like, yeah,I love this and do
Susan (28:13):
Whether that's hair, no hair, short hair, long hair,
Hillary Clark-Mina (28:17):
whatever
Susan (28:18):
straight, curly, it really doesn't matter.
The only person judging shouldbe yourself, you know?
So, everyone else can keep theiropinions to themselves, quite
frankly.
Although, you know, we like togive them freely.
But that's coming from a
Hillary Clark-Mina (28:32):
that's coming from us.
Yeah.
Susan (28:34):
It's coming from love, people.
It's coming from
Hillary Clark-Mina (28:36):
Right.
Susan (28:38):
But really you, you should be happy with who you
are, you know, and love yourhair.
So that's our, her story, hairstory, whatever story we're
telling
Hillary Clark-Mina (28:47):
we want to hear yours.
We want to hear yours.
Also, I'd like to know from allof you, how many of your
husbands weigh in and how doesthat affect?
That's a whole other topicbecause when it comes to men and
hair, I mean, From Lady toGodiva to, you know, Cleo to,
you know, Rapunzel, I mean,hair's a big deal and factors
(29:10):
hugely throughout the ages andit's associated with beauty and
some men don't care.
Some men really like it longer,um, I tend towards feeling like,
well, you know, If your otherhalf has a really strong
opinion, they're probablylooking at you more than you're
even looking at you.
So maybe there's an in between,but I know for some women that's
(29:32):
scandalous to even consider whathe thinks.
Um, so it's a, it's a, thatalone is a whole different
topic.
Because sometimes we're just,
Susan (29:40):
It is
Hillary Clark-Mina (29:41):
we're dealing with another person.
And sometimes, especially if youhave children around this age
that are just going to college.
It's like a kind of a secondhoneymoon maybe for you guys.
So, va va va voom, you know?
Susan (29:57):
And, you know, in closing, I like your comment of.
It brings up that visceralreaction and a lot of women,
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:04):
Yeah.
Susan (30:06):
you say, Oh, what is your spouse think or how about your
husband's opinion or your, yourpartner's opinion or your better
half's opinion
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:12):
Yeah.
Susan (30:13):
instantly women of a certain age.
We have that visceral feministreaction of like, who cares?
They should have nothing to dowith our head, you know, I will
tell you this, where the shoe onthe other foot, meaning if my
husband came to me and said, I'mshaving my head tomorrow, I'd be
like, if that makes you feelgood.
And that's what you want to do.
Go for it.
But I really love your hair theway it looks now and I really
(30:34):
like it because I'm looking atyou.
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:36):
Right.
Susan (30:37):
So they're looking at me and I want them to say to
themselves, wow, I really, she'sbeautiful no matter what she
looks like, but that reallyturns me on or I really like
your hair like that.
Or so you can look at it in two
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:50):
It's a controversy.
It's a controversy.
I mean, even when I'm doingwomen's, you know, when I'm
doing women's hair and makeupfor let's say their weddings or
for a special event or anythingelse, it's always kind of
telling because sometimes I'llask them, well, what is your
husband like?
What is your fiance like?
And sometimes they'll look at meand they're relieved that I
(31:11):
asked because I don't think it'slike.
a big X to care.
Um, and sometimes they'll lookat me and they're like, who
cares?
And I'm like, well, guess who'sgoing to be looking at you
walking down the aisle?
And you're creating a corememory for him too.
So
Susan (31:24):
yeah,
Hillary Clark-Mina (31:25):
have
Susan (31:25):
it
Hillary Clark-Mina (31:25):
I think there's something there I think
we may have swung a little toofar as far as like it's my hair
I can do what I want I mean Iget it But you know I kind of I
like it when he I look acrossthe room and he's got that
little twinkle in his eyelooking at me So
Susan (31:40):
me too.
There's nothing wrong
Hillary Clark-Mina (31:41):
nothing,
Susan (31:42):
Balance people,
Hillary Clark-Mina (31:43):
we look we married these people.
We love these people.
Oh, look at speaking of greatLook at all that.
Susan (31:50):
come on.
It's so good.
Give me some,
Hillary Clark-Mina (31:53):
No, I mean look at it.
It is what it is.
I just need to Go and I justneed to do it.
Susan (31:58):
I love it.
Well, if you want to know LifeGlossers, some of the rest of
the product that I have in frontof me.
Check out us on Instagram atlife gloss check us out on Tik
TOK and face, but we're outthere.
You can find us, you know, whereto find us send us a message
reply.
You know,
Hillary Clark-Mina (32:18):
Yeah, we want to know what you think.
Susan (32:20):
Yeah, we want to know what you think and tell us some
of your favorite products.
What are you using in your hair?
But we brought up a lot ofinteresting points.
We'll continue this conversationwith some more interesting
points, Especially on thehormone thing, which is such a
part of beauty and not justhair, but skin makeup, health,
et cetera.
So until next time,
Hillary Clark-Mina (32:39):
Until next time,
Susan (32:40):
glossy.
Hillary Clark-Mina (32:40):
stay glossy!
Hey Life Glossers, we're back.
Did you miss us?
It's been a while! And, you knowwhat's really cool, Hill?
I'm another year older.
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:13):
Happy birthday to you.
Susan (00:16):
Thank you! Fifty eight.
And, um, yeah, I can't believe Iactually can say that out loud
and not, like, hit the desk.
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:24):
No,
Susan (00:24):
eight!
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:26):
it's not
Susan (00:26):
Anyway!
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:27):
It's only just
Susan (00:29):
the
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:29):
begun.
Susan (00:31):
It's only just beginning.
So, I am stopping and smellingroses.
As we, as we march into this newyear.
Um, I'm so excited.
You know, we have a lot to talkabout today.
And I'm feeling really foxy.
Um, because I just got back fromNew York.
And of course, you know whatthat means.
A trip to Arte Salon to see themagnificent Gemma so I can wake
(00:56):
up and pretend that I just looklike this and roll out of bed.
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:59):
I love it.
And hair hair is such a hottopic, especially as we're
getting older.
You know, here's something thatI realized as we were preparing
for this episode.
Do you realize that we areexactly the same ages of the
golden girls?
So.
Susan (01:17):
Oh, I want to be Bea.
I want to be Bea.
I like to be.
Hillary Clark-Mina (01:21):
Right, so,
Susan (01:22):
Obviously.
Hillary Clark-Mina (01:23):
right, so, I was looking this up, and I was
like, wow, we are aging sodifferently now than we did
then.
And I did this little peruse ofthe internet and found, if you
put modern hairstyles on them,would it rewind the clock a
little bit?
Yes, to a certain degree, or ifyou put their hairstyles on us,
(01:45):
would it advance our age?
And the answer is yes, obviouslyskin is different now.
We're not smoking like we usedto.
We're taking better care ofourselves.
So all those things come intoplay, but hair definitely really
makes a big difference.
Hair, hair can really impact howwe look and we feel.
(02:07):
Okay.
Susan (02:08):
I have to tell you, um, yeah, it's like, you know, your
birthday comes along and otherpeople want to have these big
parties.
I just want to go to the salonand get my hair done because I
know I'll feel better and it'llmake blowing out that candle a
little less painful.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Um, but when I was in there.
(02:29):
And bombing around New York.
I did a little bit of shopping.
I've got some fun things thatI'm testing and trying it.
It just there was three topicsthat I was like, I have to call
Hillary.
We have to get on the podcast.
We have to talk about this witheverybody and the three things
that I want to cover with youtoday.
And I want to know how you feelabout all these going gray.
(02:50):
The big controversy over goinggray.
Length.
cut?
Do you not cut?
All that bullshit, right?
the third thing I thought aboutwas hormones in hair.
And I want to share a littlestory, a super quick one, as we
go through the products, becausethere's some products that I
wanted to share, that I use,that I really like.
(03:12):
I had a little bit of a hormoneissue happening with my hair,
and I
Hillary Clark-Mina (03:15):
Whoa.
Susan (03:16):
to Gemma about it.
And we fixed it and we solved itand it was really simple.
So about that in a minute.
Hillary Clark-Mina (03:22):
That's exciting.
You know, I'd also like to addone more thing that we've talked
about is salon versus in home.
Cause as you know, I have beendoing a three month experiment
of coloring my own hair.
I am going in in April andhaving her, you know, kind of
fix things.
(03:43):
Not that I've destroyed them.
But I wasn't able to get thecolor.
I don't really know my volume.
I don't know my tone.
So for me anyway, I'm going togo in quarterly if she'll still
have me and have her do mycolor.
But I have to maintain it athome every three weeks because
my hair is so white.
So we can talk about that too,because there are a lot of women
(04:05):
at home that are like, I can'tafford to go have my hair
colored every three weeks.
And I don't know what to doabout this.
Do I just surrender?
Susan (04:16):
I never surrender Dorothy.
I have a tip for that and andGemma and I talk about that a
lot at the salon and again, itdepends on how you're graying in
your hair.
So, you know what?
Let's just get into it.
Let's just get into the wholething.
So first thing Well, why don'twe talk about gray, the whole
gray thing?
So in the research that I'vebeen doing and talking to hair
(04:38):
stylists and then especially,you know, talking to Gemma She
has so much, um, Interestinginformation about going gray and
whatnot and it's hereditary.
It's genetic I mean, this issomething that look at your
parents or if you, you know, ifyou're able to how they went
gray And that's going to tellyou approximately, possibly,
(05:01):
probably when you will begin togo gray.
Hillary Clark-Mina (05:04):
Of course.
Everyone in my family, prematuregray.
Late 20s, 30s.
Susan (05:10):
And I'm the opposite.
You know, so I haven't startedto go gray yet.
I think we found one or two.
and I haven't started to go grayyet.
You know, you would think bythis point, whereas like my
husband started going gray inhis thirties and now he's like
totally white and he's youngerthan me.
So it's just fascinating.
Um, he likes to blame me forthat and he's probably right.
(05:32):
It's my fault.
But I think that it's such apersonal thing and I don't think
it's something to be.
ashamed of.
Obviously, I think we're waypast those days.
I know for me, I can't wait tostart getting some grays because
my color is going to liftfaster.
I know, I'm, you know, this is,this, there's a little bit of
(05:54):
color in here.
my color is going to lift fasterand it's going to blend easier.
And when you're blonde, It's atotally different subject than
when you are a brunette or evena darker black hair tone.
It depends on your base color,how you're going to move forward
with this.
Hillary Clark-Mina (06:12):
I'm going to be talking about um, the law
of inertia of the system in thecontext of uh, the law of
inertia of the system.
So, if you've heard of the lawof inertia, that is the law of
inertia of a system.
Um, and so, um, the law ofinertia is a law that defines,
uh, the relationship between thesystem and the environment that
(06:34):
exists in that system.
Transcripts will be sent to youremail address at the end of the
presentation.
for your time.
Susan (06:45):
such a personal thing, isn't
Hillary Clark-Mina (06:46):
It's such a personal thing and you will
probably notice that you mightenjoy because if you're the way
that you gray or go white, itwill brighten you up.
It's also going to be cool andyou like the cooler tone.
So that's going to be great foryou.
Um, for me, I loved when Istarted going gray.
Even in my late twenties into mythirties, it was wonderful
(07:07):
because I could put a solidcolor on my hair and the grays
and the salt and the pepperswould give me natural
highlights.
So I didn't have to spend onhighlights for decades because
of my gray.
It is different.
Like for me, I don't look goodas a cool blonde or an ashy
blondes or anything like that.
It just make like, you'll wantto look at me and give me a hug
(07:29):
and say, are you okay?
I just look sad and.
A little like, yeah, like I needa cookie and a hug, so I have to
stay more golden.
I mean, I'm naturally astrawberry blonde and just
Susan (07:42):
too, though.
I've got a lot of strawberry inmy hair, but yet I pull cool
really easily,
Hillary Clark-Mina (07:48):
I do too with color.
I can either go really orange orpink even.
Or I go really ashy.
So whenever I start a newrelationship with someone that
does my color, I always tellthem, look, this is probably
going to take us two or threetimes to get it right.
Cause everything that you thinkmy hair is going to do, it's not
going to do.
(08:08):
And they always think, Oh, Ihear that from everyone.
And then there we are the fourthtime it's perfect.
So that's just how it goes.
Susan (08:19):
You bring up an interesting point, bringing new
relationships, and I don't wantto get too far off topic, but
relationships with the personthat does your hair.
So I'm probably an oddity,meaning the person who does You
know, my hair, Gemma, is someoneI've seen for almost 20 years.
We've been together for almost20 years.
She's given my kids their firsthaircuts.
(08:39):
She does my husband's.
She does the whole damn family.
And she's the only one I trust.
No matter where I've lived, I'veflown to see her.
You know, I've driven, I'vetaken trains, planes.
I've been literally, like, flownon my broom to see her.
I think that that's somethingthat a lot of our listeners
would be able to relate to is,um, you know, maybe we should do
a whole other podcast on this,but the people that you have in
(09:01):
your beauty village, right?
What do they mean to you and howdo they impact you?
Because we both have people inour beauty village that are
really important to us and quitefrankly, make us who we are.
Hillary Clark-Mina (09:15):
Right, and at this time of life, it's a
really exciting time ofinvention and reinvention and
rediscovery.
You're about to experience this.
I have a girlfriend right nowwho has one child and she's just
gone off to college and arelationship had ended.
Her daughter had gone off tocollege and she's managing
(09:37):
beautifully, but she's kind ofin that, like, What am I doing
now?
Where is my value?
What is, what is my life about?
What do I want the rest of mylife to be about?
And a lot of times becausethings are changing at the same
time with how we look, ratherthan giving up like we used to
at some point, it's anopportunity to be like, okay, so
(09:59):
who am I going to be in thisphase of my life?
So it does bode for a little bitof analysis and an opportunity
to say, What do I want thatmagical person to be like, if
I'm writing my story here inthis next chapter, what does she
look like?
What does the heroine of my lifelook like in this chapter?
Susan (10:20):
Yeah.
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:21):
And
Susan (10:21):
another
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:22):
like length and this and that.
And of course, there are norules.
We know there used to be rules.
The rules have gone out thewindow.
We don't do that anymore.
Um, there are things thatflatter, things that don't
flatter, but then there arepeople that can get away with
hair down to their waist intheir 80s and it's part of
their, you know, schtick,
Susan (10:41):
I'm going
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:42):
super, super short, bright red, part of
their vibe.
Susan (10:45):
the
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:45):
So there's a lot of freedom there, but
it's, it does, it does say takesome time and create your
character.
Susan (10:56):
yeah, I think that's a, I think that's such a cool point
Hill because I know for myselftimes where I'll even say, God,
should I go a little shorter?
Should I, should I, should I,should I?
And no, I think to your point,every time.
I want to say, okay, maybe Ishould do that.
I look back at pictures in highschool where my hair wasn't a
short bob with a perm.
(11:17):
And it's terrible.
I look terrible in short hair.
And I had short hair.
And I look back at thosepictures and think, Oh my God,
that was terrible.
And while I still have some hairon my head.
I want to enjoy it and embraceit.
And then we look at,
Hillary Clark-Mi (11:32):
Councilmembers from the other committees always
show up with the email sayinghey, this is the Committee
meeting and we're going tocontinue this we're going to
look at the mailing lists andcome up with a vote on and
Susan (11:48):
am,
Hillary Clark-Mina (11:49):
mm.
Mhm mm.
Mhm.
Okay.
Susan (12:09):
You can always toss it a pony.
You can always throw it into alittle chignon, toss it in a
little ballet bun.
I find it okay.
Way easier and way less productwith long hair than I do short
hair.
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:21):
Oh, I,
Susan (12:22):
I crazy?
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:22):
I personally agree.
I find, I mean, my hair wasplatinum and short, short, short
for years and years because it'sso thick.
It just wants to go like thisall the time.
So I was having to get it cutevery two weeks.
Um, You know, recent, notrecently, within the past few
years, I decided to go with ahaircut that was more, like,
here, like a long sort of a lobthing, and I found that,
Susan (12:47):
on you by the way.
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:48):
pardon,
Susan (12:48):
did look good.
It looked really good on you.
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:51):
oh, thank you, you know what I started to
notice, was that you saw this alot more?
And this right now is somethingI'm struggling to accept.
So cutting my hair here, it waskind of like, you know, wearing
a short skirt if you don't likeyour knees.
So cutting my hair here was likelifting up the skirt and being
like, Oh, now all of this ishighlighted and this is what I'm
(13:15):
working on.
So.
Pay attention and here's kind ofa radical idea.
If you are in a city or a town,you know, I'm in Los Angeles
You're on the East Coast but youknow if you're on this in a city
in a town that actually has likea good wig shop go in and Try on
wigs try the ways you wouldnever try before try put your
(13:37):
hair slick back braid it up Dowhatever go try on the crazy
colors the crazy cuts and theneven just subtle versions and
take photos Take photos
Susan (13:46):
Yeah.
Hillary Clark-Mina (13:47):
it out.
You might be surprised beforeyou commit.
So, it's a good way to testdrive a new look.
Susan (13:54):
are the best.
100%.
Wigs, hair pieces.
It's fun.
Hair should be as fun as makeupis.
So length, grays, touch uponhormones
Hillary Clark-Mina (14:05):
Let's do it.
Susan (14:06):
Let's do it because it's something that probably needs
its own separate,
Hillary Clark-Mina (14:12):
I think so.
Susan (14:13):
with guests.
I'd love to have a doctor comeon and talk about it cause we
are, you know, not, not doctors.
Um, but for myself personally,um, on For me, the one thing I
did notice was my scalp hasbecome a little more sensitive
and more reactive.
So I recently used a detoxshampoo that was highly
(14:34):
fragranced.
won't name the name because Iknow it works for a lot of
people and I thought, you knowwhat?
I'm gonna do a little detox andget in there before I go in and
have my hair highlighted.
And I go in, I get my hair donefour times a year because, as
you know, I just do highlightsand I like my own natural color
and it's my look.
It's my thing.
It also is a lot easier onlydoing it four times a year than
(14:56):
constantly having to, you know,do it every three weeks.
So I'm fortunate in that sense.
I did notice after using thisdetox shampoo, I got little tiny
red dots and dry scabby flakesand obviously like good news on
the scalp.
Hillary Clark-Mina (15:15):
Because I am a program manager.
And I, I don't want to say thatI am a human being.
I just want to say that I knowthat I am a human being.
It's a part of me.
I am a person of a concept.
I am a person of a principle.
And I know that I have aprinciple.
So I can say this, my principle.
(15:35):
And I understand it.
I think I know that.
That I should know.
And I should be able to do that.
Susan (15:42):
lotions and creams.
And we've talked about this.
It's the same for your scalp.
So I'm thinking, okay, no moredetox shampoos, no more
perfumey.
And then.
I got a new shampoo, it, and itwas gone the next day.
Like, washed it, dried it, gone.
My scalp is perfect, gone,beautiful.
(16:04):
So, as we go into product next,I'll, I'll share what I used
that really helped my scalphealth and my hair health for
me.
What was hormonal?
I mean, it had to be like, well,I blame everything on
Hillary Clark-Mina (16:16):
Well, and you've been changing your
hormones recently.
Plus you were also sick.
You were sick.
Susan (16:21):
yes, yes, you're
Hillary Clark-Mina (16:24):
You were also sick
Susan (16:26):
I did start taking some zinc, which was recommended to
me, um, to help with, uh, thescalp and to help with the skin
and whatnot, just short term,um, it's my understanding, you
might not want to stay on it forlong periods of time, but I was
run down, I had a really badflu, you know, I had the flu
this year, like everybody else,First time being sick in seven
(16:46):
years or sorry, five years, um,since the pandemic and got the
flu along with everyone else.
And yeah, I think you're right,Hill.
I think, you know, changinghormones, um, uh, using a new
product, um, being sick.
So I just bring this up becauseI know some of our listeners,
the same thing, all of a suddensomething changes.
(17:07):
of panicking, which, yeah, Idid, I panicked because that's
kind of sometimes what I do.
But instead of panicking, take alook and say, what's going on
with my health?
Did I use something different?
Did I just go through illness?
Am I, you know, what'shappening?
And it sounds so basic andsimple.
But I think I was so freaked outto just see all these like
little red bumps and flakes.
And I was like, what is wrongwith
Hillary Clark-Mina (17:29):
Of course
Susan (17:30):
could have been the product.
But I think it was a, I think itwas a cyclone of beauty, like
just exploded on my
Hillary Clark-Mina (17:36):
Right.
Right.
Susan (17:39):
but yeah, so hormones are a big thing.
Oh my God.
Look at your hair.
Hillary Clark-Mina (17:43):
know.
Susan (17:44):
that.
Hillary Clark-Mina (17:44):
this will all fall out.
This is just me being lazy.
I was hoping that I'd have itlike out and done and
everything, but you know, lifedidn't have that in store for
us.
So I figured there we go.
Susan (17:56):
I said, I just had mine done.
So, you know, that's the onlyreason we're looking like this
today.
So do you want me to show youthe product
Hillary Clark-Mina (18:04):
Show me your products because I'm on the
hunt.
So while you gather yourproducts for me,
Susan (18:09):
going to do
Hillary Clark-Mina (18:09):
you know, as a lot of our listeners may
know.
I just turned 50 last year, soI'm just a few months into being
50, and it's, it's fun, it'sexciting, but you know, I was
impaired, I've been in menopausefor years now, and I started
perimenopause easily, easily, ifI think back in my very early
(18:33):
40s, for sure, by 44.
So it's been a long time withhormones and hair health.
So much so that sometimes mycolor would take differently
depending on what was going onwith my hormones.
And initially people didn'tbelieve me, then finally I found
someone that did.
And we do have to adjustsometimes according to like
(18:55):
what's going on with myhormones, which we'll get an
expert on here to talk aboutthat.
Um,
Susan (19:00):
have someone.
Hillary Clark-Mina (19:02):
yeah, same formulas.
totally different outcome.
And I think truly it has a lotto do with the hormones, but,
um, the dry, my hair becomingdry and unruly.
If any of our listeners outthere have good suggestions, I'm
definitely starting with somescalp treatments or even scalp
(19:22):
oils because You know, we haveto treat our scalp like we do
the rest of our face, and Ithink for me, getting in there
with an oil is going to be theanswer.
Susan (19:33):
Yeah, yeah, I was laughing earlier because when
you said, Oh, I just turned 50and I was laughing because I'm
like, Oh, okay.
Well, you know, right
Hillary Clark-Mina (19:41):
Yeah,
Susan (19:41):
I
Hillary Clark-Mina (19:41):
but I started menopause so much
earlier.
So by that clock, I'm like 70.
Susan (19:50):
well, how about 10 days?
I feel 70.
So there you go.
Um, yeah, let me just really gothrough these
Hillary Clark-Mina (19:57):
Yeah.
Susan (19:58):
So we stay, so we stay, um, you know, on time here, but
so the product that helped myscalp.
the most and it is notspecifically designed for scalp
health,
Hillary Clark-Mina (20:09):
Right.
Susan (20:10):
for healthy hair.
Christoph Robbins products Ihave found to be extremely
effective but extremely gentle.
Hillary Clark-Mina (20:20):
Oh.
Oh.
Susan (20:21):
gentle, I find them really caring for more mature
hair and this um, hydratingshampoo with aloe vera, it's
clear.
It's lightweight, it'shydrating.
And I don't know if it was thealoe that was in here or what it
was, but my hair so shiny was somuch volume.
(20:42):
Okay.
Because part of hormones waslosing all that volume to this
product has saved my scalp andsaved my hair because it's
gentle hydrating.
It's safe for colored hair.
I just, I can't tell you
Hillary Clark-Mina (20:56):
Okay, we'll put that in the comments for
sure.
Susan (20:59):
Yeah.
Especially if you have finehair, like I have a lot of hair,
but it's fine textured.
Um, I need something thatcleans, but doesn't strip and
doesn't have all those funkyfragrances.
So I love
Hillary Clark-Mina (21:13):
Beautiful.
Susan (21:14):
love it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I follow it up with.
probably the most reparativedeep conditioner I have found
that doesn't weigh my hair down.
And that is the L'Oreal, theabsolute repair
Hillary Clark-Mina (21:28):
Really?
Susan (21:30):
chef's kiss.
Doesn't weigh it down.
It really is deep conditioning.
It repairs the hair.
It doesn't just add backmoisture.
So these two have
Hillary Clark-Mina (21:42):
I'm going to try those.
Susan (21:44):
you
Hillary Clark-Mina (21:44):
Well, the deeper pair, at least.
Susan (21:47):
yeah, and then, you know, I can share the rest of this
stuff on Instagram witheverybody else.
But I think I've talked about myovernight treatment that has
saved my hair, Kerastase.
And then this is really the oneproduct I, is my desert Island
product.
And that is, uh, the Davines,the, the milk spray,
Hillary Clark-Mina (22:06):
Oh, I need to get that.
Susan (22:08):
this is the best.
Use it on wet hair before blowdrying.
And then on dry hair to helpwith the flyaways to give a
Hillary Clark-Mina (22:16):
Okay.
Susan (22:18):
Um, it's my one product.
You don't need anything else.
This is insane.
So,
Hillary Clark-Mina (22:23):
That's what I'm looking for.
Cause I need, you know, I needhydration and, you know, I'm at
the point of where I'm like, Isurrender.
I'm about to just go back to myShu Uemura because that's the
only thing that seems tohydrate.
That's why I'm going to thescalp.
So rather than just trying todump product on.
I'm trying to really maybe putmore hydration into the scalp
(22:45):
because I'm noticing that I amreally dry and I love Shu
Uemura, but it's just, it's anarm and a leg all the time.
So
Susan (22:54):
Yes.
It's, and I love the, I use someof the, uh, there's a styling
paste that I like from, fromthem as well, and I do love
their products, but I'm tellingyou, this was the
Hillary Clark-Mina (23:04):
Okay.
You know the other thing that Ifind for myself that I'm using a
lot in my hair to tame flyawaysand we've had, we've had Adele
on is the Essentiel by Adele,just the lotion.
It's like I will take it becauseI have thick and somewhat coarse
hair.
I'll take it through as some ofyou guys may have seen me doing
(23:25):
and after I rub it in on myhands I'll just take it through
sort of a little bit of my, theends of my hair and I'm careful
with it.
But it really does help.
I mean, professionally, whenI'm, you know, working and on
the times when I do have to doboth hair and makeup, which is
really more with civilians thancelebrity.
With celebrity, I'm pretty muchjust doing makeup.
(23:48):
But with civilians, I'll getcalled in to do both.
And I have a whole arsenal ofstyling products because what I
like to use as an artist isdifferent than what I want for
my hair.
But,
Susan (23:59):
Right.
Hillary Clark-Mina (23:59):
the great length debate is something else
to talk about.
It's so interesting.
I saw photos of myself, um, atsome of the Oscar events and I
was working,
Susan (24:12):
ahead
Hillary Clark-Mina (24:13):
and I was like, ah,
Susan (24:14):
go
Hillary Clark-Mina (24:15):
hair feels like it just drags me down, but
I love having it long.
So.
Does that mean I just wear it upwhen I'm working and I know I'm
going to have, you know, shotswhere I need to have it up.
I just look bigger and it just,I feel like it pulls my face
down.
But in real life, having it thatlong, I get a lot of
(24:35):
compliments.
So it's weird right now.
I'm figuring it out.
I want to hear from all of our,from all of our audience.
Susan (24:44):
yeah, I think there's, there is a fine line for me, at
least when it gets too long,she'll cut it, you know, she'll
Hillary Clark-Mina (24:50):
Yeah.
Right,
Susan (25:13):
ask for some layers in the front people.
Um, I love babysitter hair too.
You know, as I call it, part ofthe middle dead straight long.
And I wore that for years.
That look can age you.
I will put that out there.
Um, if you don't get a fewlittle layers in there in the
the face framers, as I callthem, the, the, the money shot
(25:34):
hair light pieces, you know,think it can age you a little
bit, drag you down, make youlook a little tired.
So I did, I did succumb to thata while ago and she kind of
cleaned those up for me too.
But I did notice it creates, itcreates more volume for me too.
My hair looks her and you
Hillary Clark-Mina (25:54):
And there's a time to revisit.
I mean, I noticed this was shoesthe other day.
It's like, I used to love like.
You know, I could easily wearlike a sandal with a clunky heel
or something that maybe kind ofhad like a little bit of a
grandma vibe and it was ironicbecause, you know, I was young
in great shape with a heel that,you know, was maybe a little
(26:17):
grandma, but it looked cool andas I said, ironic and it was
fun.
So I bought one for summer thissummer and I put them on and I
was like, Okay, are these justextra grandma because it's a
designer that I don't normallywear I said or is the irony not
ironic anymore And is it time torevisit?
I think the same thing happenswith shoe with hair.
Susan (26:41):
yeah, I think If you already wore the look once,
possibly pausing
Hillary Clark-Mina (26:50):
Yeah
Susan (26:51):
doing that haircut, I don't know.
But then there's something to besaid for the classic look.
You know, classic cuts, I think,look great on everyone.
I love a great bob.
I think that looks so beautifulon so many women.
Um, I just, I think it's, youknow, I think like you said
earlier, Hale, I think we needto define who we are in our own
(27:14):
personal story.
What is our vibe?
What is our look?
Who are we?
Because if you haven't figuredout who you are by this point,
you may want to spend a littlebit more time on the couch doing
it because you know, this is itkids.
You gotta know who you are bynow.
You have to know what you like,what you don't like, who you
(27:34):
are, what you stand for.
Take the time to do it.
And we're not just talking hair,but just in life in general.
Take the time to do it.
If you haven't slowed downenough to write your own story,
tell your own story, it's reallyimportant to
Hillary Clark-Mina (27:49):
Right, and what does that mean now?
What does that mean in thischapter?
Number one, above and beyondanything else, what makes you
happy?
What makes you feel beautiful?
What hair makes you just feel,and it might not be hair for
everybody.
It's like layers of necklaces orvery simple or whatever.
What makes you feel like, yeah,I love this and do
Susan (28:13):
Whether that's hair, no hair, short hair, long hair,
Hillary Clark-Mina (28:17):
whatever
Susan (28:18):
straight, curly, it really doesn't matter.
The only person judging shouldbe yourself, you know?
So, everyone else can keep theiropinions to themselves, quite
frankly.
Although, you know, we like togive them freely.
But that's coming from a
Hillary Clark-Mina (28:32):
that's coming from us.
Yeah.
Susan (28:34):
It's coming from love, people.
It's coming from
Hillary Clark-Mina (28:36):
Right.
Susan (28:38):
But really you, you should be happy with who you
are, you know, and love yourhair.
So that's our, her story, hairstory, whatever story we're
telling
Hillary Clark-Mina (28:47):
we want to hear yours.
We want to hear yours.
Also, I'd like to know from allof you, how many of your
husbands weigh in and how doesthat affect?
That's a whole other topicbecause when it comes to men and
hair, I mean, From Lady toGodiva to, you know, Cleo to,
you know, Rapunzel, I mean,hair's a big deal and factors
(29:10):
hugely throughout the ages andit's associated with beauty and
some men don't care.
Some men really like it longer,um, I tend towards feeling like,
well, you know, If your otherhalf has a really strong
opinion, they're probablylooking at you more than you're
even looking at you.
So maybe there's an in between,but I know for some women that's
(29:32):
scandalous to even consider whathe thinks.
Um, so it's a, it's a, thatalone is a whole different
topic.
Because sometimes we're just,
Susan (29:40):
It is
Hillary Clark-Mina (29:41):
we're dealing with another person.
And sometimes, especially if youhave children around this age
that are just going to college.
It's like a kind of a secondhoneymoon maybe for you guys.
So, va va va voom, you know?
Susan (29:57):
And, you know, in closing, I like your comment of.
It brings up that visceralreaction and a lot of women,
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:04):
Yeah.
Susan (30:06):
you say, Oh, what is your spouse think or how about your
husband's opinion or your, yourpartner's opinion or your better
half's opinion
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:12):
Yeah.
Susan (30:13):
instantly women of a certain age.
We have that visceral feministreaction of like, who cares?
They should have nothing to dowith our head, you know, I will
tell you this, where the shoe onthe other foot, meaning if my
husband came to me and said, I'mshaving my head tomorrow, I'd be
like, if that makes you feelgood.
And that's what you want to do.
Go for it.
But I really love your hair theway it looks now and I really
(30:34):
like it because I'm looking atyou.
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:36):
Right.
Susan (30:37):
So they're looking at me and I want them to say to
themselves, wow, I really, she'sbeautiful no matter what she
looks like, but that reallyturns me on or I really like
your hair like that.
Or so you can look at it in two
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:50):
It's a controversy.
It's a controversy.
I mean, even when I'm doingwomen's, you know, when I'm
doing women's hair and makeupfor let's say their weddings or
for a special event or anythingelse, it's always kind of
telling because sometimes I'llask them, well, what is your
husband like?
What is your fiance like?
And sometimes they'll look at meand they're relieved that I
(31:11):
asked because I don't think it'slike.
a big X to care.
Um, and sometimes they'll lookat me and they're like, who
cares?
And I'm like, well, guess who'sgoing to be looking at you
walking down the aisle?
And you're creating a corememory for him too.
So
Susan (31:24):
yeah,
Hillary Clark-Mina (31:25):
have
Susan (31:25):
it
Hillary Clark-Mina (31:25):
I think there's something there I think
we may have swung a little toofar as far as like it's my hair
I can do what I want I mean Iget it But you know I kind of I
like it when he I look acrossthe room and he's got that
little twinkle in his eyelooking at me So
Susan (31:40):
me too.
There's nothing wrong
Hillary Clark-Mina (31:41):
nothing,
Susan (31:42):
Balance people,
Hillary Clark-Mina (31:43):
we look we married these people.
We love these people.
Oh, look at speaking of greatLook at all that.
Susan (31:50):
come on.
It's so good.
Give me some,
Hillary Clark-Mina (31:53):
No, I mean look at it.
It is what it is.
I just need to Go and I justneed to do it.
Susan (31:58):
I love it.
Well, if you want to know LifeGlossers, some of the rest of
the product that I have in frontof me.
Check out us on Instagram atlife gloss check us out on Tik
TOK and face, but we're outthere.
You can find us, you know, whereto find us send us a message
reply.
You know,
Hillary Clark-Mina (32:18):
Yeah, we want to know what you think.
Susan (32:20):
Yeah, we want to know what you think and tell us some
of your favorite products.
What are you using in your hair?
But we brought up a lot ofinteresting points.
We'll continue this conversationwith some more interesting
points, Especially on thehormone thing, which is such a
part of beauty and not justhair, but skin makeup, health,
et cetera.
So until next time,
Hillary Clark-Mina (32:39):
Until next time,
Susan (32:40):
glossy.
Hillary Clark-Mina (32:40):
stay glossy!
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