September 19, 2024 • 44 mins
“Sound the beauty alarm - anyone over 40 is on fire and going up in flames!”
At least, that’s what it feels like some days. But the truth is many of us are inflamed—not just psychologically but physically from within—and it’s called “ inflammAGING.”
How to detect inflammation and calm the flames contributing to disease, dis-ease and aging skin.
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Welcome to Life Gloss, a beautypodcast for sassy and seasoned
women who have lived life andhave a drawer full of lip gloss
to prefer.
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:09):
Welcome back to LifeGlass, we're talking
inflammaging today, and ifyou're wondering, what is that
even a word?
Inflammaging, it's inflammationrelated disease.
Aging.
So, listen up, it's known as thesilent killer, and you may very
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well have inflammation ragingthrough your body.
Inflam raging, see how I didthat?
Uh, but it's causing aging.
We're
Susan Gerdeman (00:42):
going to talk about it.
Let's talk about it.
Yeah, it's like the house is onfire.
Is it hot in here or is it me?
I mean, all these things, it'sall part of aging.
It's all part of inflammation.
The skin gets flushed.
The body overheats.
It just, you know, it's like afurnace working over time and it
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shows up on the skin and itstarts, you know, breaking stuff
down and you start to look olderand puffier or redder.
But it's it's an interestingmarketing term, but it's a term
that actually I think is, youknow, look, I'm no scientist,
but it sounds pretty scientific.
It sounds like something that weshould all be talking about.
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And I'll be concerned about, Ithink it was Dr.
Perricone actually, who reallywas one of the first who coined,
you know, the phraseinflammating, but if you really
break it down, it makes senseinflammation and aging
inflammation,
Hillary Clark-Mina (01:37):
right?
And if you didn't see our lastepisode with him, scroll back a
few, he is coming back.
So we're going to get more ofhim.
Give us your questions, but it'strue.
And.
One of the things that henoticed when he was studying
disease tissue under themicroscope is that if there was
no inflammation present, therewas no disease present.
So what he found was whenever Isee disease, inflammation is
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also present.
So then what is the correlationand could the inflammation have
something to do with thedisease?
So we're actually talking aboutsomething that goes far more
systemically than just our skinand how we look.
By the time it gets to yourskin, it truly is raging
throughout your entire body.
Sure.
Hormones, menopause, aging, allof that.
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All of that is inflammation too.
What we wanted to talk abouttoday is that inflammation is
something that goes on subtlyinside the body all the time.
That's why having an antiinflammatory diet is so
important, but you can hit ittopically too.
Rosacea, menopause, all thosethings.
Plus towards the end of our timetogether, I want to spend a
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little bit of time talking tothose people at home.
And you know who you are thatare overdoing it with acids,
with derma rolling, with, youknow, all of the stuff that
you're doing to your skin tocreate micro, um, micro
abrasions or micro, microinjuries because then you build
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collagen as you heal.
You can do that once in a while,but if you're always in a state
of pro inflammation, a proinflammatory state, you can't
heal.
So too much is too much.
So, but we've got some fun stuffbefore we get to the serious
stuff.
Yeah.
You're wearing makeup today.
I
Susan Gerdeman (03:26):
am.
Did everybody notice I, Iactually put on some makeup.
I put on a little eyeliner.
I was having fun with color.
I think we talked a couple ofepisodes ago about You know,
just sort of, I don't know,having some fun with makeup
again and not taking it soseriously.
So, I had to take the kid to theorthodontist this morning before
school and, I don't know, Ithink I just got up so early
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that I was, Like, I'm just goingto toss in some eyeliner and
throw a caution to the wind.
So that's what I did.
Um, but I also pulled someproducts because at the same
time when I got home and I'llput on my glasses so I can
actually see what I'm doing now,um, I got an order from Sephora.
So I thought I would just reallyquickly share some things.
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These, this doesn't haveanything to do with
inflammation, um, but it reallydid calm me down getting a
little Sephora package.
Sure.
Sure.
So when I got back and had my,you know, little eyeliner on, I
decided to, um, go through thispackage and I want to share it
and tell you what's going on andwhat I'm keeping.
(04:30):
All right.
So what do you want to startwith?
You want to start with like,what's going back?
What's going to my daughter andwhat I'm keeping?
What?
Yeah, sure.
Okay, so what is going to mydaughter?
Okay, meaning, you know, she's,uh, going to be 18 next month.
She is not a makeup wearer, um,but she does enjoy little bits
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and things.
So I decided to jump on the milktrain.
I know they've, you know, beengetting a really lot of press
again and kind of, you know,having a little bit of a
comeback again.
So I thought, you know, what I,you know, I got sucked in by a
color hill.
So there is a new gloss.
It is their Odyssey, the lip oilgloss, those hybrids.
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You know why I don't listen tomyself when I say, Susan, you
don't like those hybrids.
And I thought, but maybe I'lllike this one because you know,
I love me a gloss.
I am a gloss girl.
I love to toss on and go.
This is in my wheelhouse thiscolor right here.
It's a shade called Wander whichis perfect for me And um,
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because I do like to wanderespecially when i'm shopping and
roaming around So I loved thecolor.
It didn't have shimmer.
I thought this is the perfectthrow it on and go out of the
house You know who you arelisteners Um, if you're like me
toss it on without having tolook in a mirror and you look
good.
Instantly done.
Yeah.
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But it's a gloss oil hybrid.
So what does that mean?
It means it's really sheer.
It means it doesn't have a lotof length in the time of wear.
It doesn't have that rich,glossy feel that I like.
Some people like to feel nothingon their lips.
If that's you, you'll love this.
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It feels like nothing, andtherefore it is
Hillary Clark-Mina (06:26):
nothing I want.
I need, as we came from the Maclip glas day.
Yeah, we don't want that sticky,but we want, I
Susan Gerdeman (06:35):
need an anxious lip.
I need a lip that I can use afork and knife with.
Mm-Hmm.
I don't want a teaspoon lip.
I don't want this little like.
Oh, it doesn't feel it feelslike Aaron have anything.
No, I'm not that person.
I want a lip.
So if you don't want a lip, butyou just want a little moisture
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and gloss and go, I think theseare great.
So
Hillary Clark-Mina (06:59):
bad, bad, bad, bad friend.
Today I'm going to the postoffice.
I'm sending you this.
This is your color.
That's my color.
I see that.
Susan Gerdeman (07:10):
That's a me.
It's a pinky nude.
It's a pinky nude, but it's nottoo pink.
Yeah, but look at that gloss.
Look at that thickness that thatviscosity that mm-Hmm, that,
that's a fork in knife lip rightthere.
My friend.
This is a fork and it's full of
Hillary Clark-Mina (07:27):
shea ha hoba.
He, yes.
This is a young blood one.
It's a color called a more soI'm saying
Susan Gerdeman (07:35):
you
Hillary Clark-Mina (07:35):
some love.
Susan Gerdeman (07:36):
I'll do it.
Drive down the hills ofHollywood and toss that in the
post to your friend.
I will talk in the post to you.
Because this is going to mydaughter.
She will love this.
This is Gen Z, man.
This is that natural light.
It's a gloss oil.
It's not too heavy.
It's really sheer, noncommittal.
She'll love this.
So here you go, daughter ofmine.
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You have a gloss.
She's lucky.
That's going to her and that'skind of her color because it's
just very she's a redhead moreShe's you know, she's not a
redhead.
She'd kill you if she she heardyou say that she's not she's
golden She's sort of like a likea light brown golden.
You can't say redhead to thesekids.
They'll like have a heart It'sshe just she's not a redhead.
Nothing against redheads.
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She is not though.
Um Redhead, I know but shedidn't get that gene.
I don't know.
Okay.
Okay, so You Let's see.
Um, so that's going to her.
That's going to the daughter.
So it's not going back.
It's going to my daughter.
Cause I do think she'll likethat.
So, um, want to know what I'mkeeping or want to know what's
going back?
What's going back and why?
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Okay.
So this one's heartbreaking tome, but, um, I really wanted to
love this and it's not workingfor me.
Might work for you.
But I do tend to have a drierskin.
So this is not working for me.
This is Charlotte Tilbury, theunreal sheer skin glow tint.
It is a foundation and shimmerin a stick all in one.
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It is so pretty.
I love the color.
It is so beautiful.
It's like, it's a, it's almostlike a tinted moisturizer in a
stick.
And it's.
Very glowy, super high micaload, like real, like a light
bulb exploded on my skin, um,which I kind of love.
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Here's my issue.
Because I'm a dryer skin, when Iput this on and I want, I looked
all glowy, but then I look closein the mirror, it was patchy.
It like didn't lay nicely.
Question.
Yes.
Hillary Clark-Mina (09:41):
Can you use it as a highlighter?
Susan Gerdeman (09:45):
Yeah, I could, but it has, it has coverage in
it.
So it's sort of like a, a tintedmoisturizer and a stick.
And I wanted to love this sobadly, but it's not working on
me.
It made my skin look, and Idon't, if you're a person with
pores,
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:04):
No, I was going
Susan Gerdeman (10:06):
to say send it to me, but no, it's I would, but
you'll hate it.
I know you
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:12):
I'll hate it because I have pores.
See?
Susan Gerdeman (10:14):
Yeah.
If you have pores, this is notfor you.
If you're poor less, this isperfect.
I would love to see this.
I think I'm going to be honest.
I think it might be for someoneyounger, you know, who just
doesn't have any pores or anyanything and just wants to glow,
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but I wanted to love this.
So I'm kind of, oh, I'm bummedout.
I'm irritated and you're right.
I could probably keep it, justuse it under my eyes or as a
highlighter, but.
I have six.
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:48):
If the mica load is too heavy, you don't
even want it under your eyes.
So, okay, show us what, whatelse did you get?
Okay.
Susan Gerdeman (10:55):
So then, um, what am I keeping?
What am I loving?
So in the ever expanding worldof, um, concealers, because it
seems like everyone is dog.
Is doing a concealer.
The concealer is the new blush.
Yeah, I mean, concealers, thenew blush this month.
Um, I went ahead and got theGucci Westman concealer and
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everybody's talking about, yes,we love her packaging from
Italy.
I'm sure it's from Italy.
It's so beautiful.
So Lux, you know, I love herwhole brand.
Love the whole line.
It's really targeted to us over40.
Love, love, love.
I have to say the concealer isexcellent.
Now I will tell you this.
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It is a concealer, meaning it isnot a serum hybrid concealer.
It is not a sheer concealer.
It is not a highlightingconcealer, nor is it a thick
cream wax concealer.
It is for.
In my opinion, probably skinthat's more mature or maybe
leans more towards dry becauseit's creamy, but at the same
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time, it's coverage.
It's opaque.
It is a thick concealer.
This is not a, a sheer washconcealer.
This is a, Wow.
I didn't see it 80s,
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:13):
90s.
This is a, like, old school.
Here's a concealer.
Susan Gerdeman (12:18):
It is, but at the same time, Hill, I'm gonna
be honest with you, she did abeautiful job of, it's so
malleable, it just has abeautiful, it's matte, but it
glows, but it doesn't shimmer.
You can tell she put years intothis.
I gotta tell you, she did agreat
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:34):
job.
I've been hearing on TikTok fromsome of my people, um, that know
my age, you know, from myvintage beauty, a few of them
are makeup artists and justbeauty lovers, of course.
And a couple of them have said,Hey, we have the Maxine's
revenge.
We love it.
But have you tried, there's thisnew one.
And if you want even differentkind of coverage, like they
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didn't even know exactly what tosay either.
They were like, well, I'm goingto tell you, I'll go.
Susan Gerdeman (13:02):
As a professional makeup artist.
Um, it is totally different.
It is, it is this, you can useit, you know, as a concealer.
I like to, I used it just as aconcealer around my nose.
I put a dot on my chin and undermy eyes.
Am I going to them buff it outand use it all over my face?
(13:22):
No, I'm going to do that with myMaxine's Revenge.
I'm going to do that with Kosis.
I'm going to do that with moreof a serum liquidy concealer.
This is really meant to conceal.
I would not personally use thisas an all over wash.
I suppose you could, but I, whenI haven't slept.
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or allergy season, right?
Just having a rough day.
This is what I'm going to grab.
This provides a lot of coverage.
She's a beauty.
It's really good, but I've beenwearing it most of the day.
Okay.
I was going to ask you.
I'm not getting any breakdownand I have my eye cream on.
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I'm not getting any, uh, there'sno separation at all.
I'm not getting any, you know,funny lines and wrinkles, like
nothing settling.
I got to tell you did a really,really good job on this.
Okay.
So if you're looking for aconcealer, that is a concealer.
This is a really good one.
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Um, you know what I
Hillary Clark-Mina (14:31):
picked up lately now that I happen to be
sitting next to my makeup bag,you know, I pulled out that I
haven't used for a long time.
For those of you that get, youknow, color here.
Cause I have a lot of seethrough on my eyelids.
It can make me look sick.
And sometimes things willcrease.
Cause I have, you know, hoodedlids more on this side than on
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this side.
I forgot Anastasia does thispencil.
And it's dry.
It's a very dry pencil and it'scalled her pro pencil.
It's called an eyeshadow primerand a color corrector.
Yeah.
I use it all over just in thosetough spots when I don't want
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things to move.
Yeah.
And you know, it, it's dry.
So you do be aware of that.
But Yeah.
Susan Gerdeman (15:22):
And speaking of eyes, I, this is the eye pencil
I put on.
Um, I told you, I would tell youearlier, it's the Urban Decay,
the 24 seven, you know, I lovethe 24 seven.
They're really, they're justgood.
They're easy.
They're quick.
They're a gel hybrid pencil.
This color is called Alkaline,and it is really, really like a
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reddish, aubergine y, purple ykind of, it's great with green
eyes, blue eyes.
I have to tell you, if you'relooking, if you're someone who
doesn't wear liner or you tendto use browns or colors like
that a lot because you don'twant color per se, this is a
nice little branch out.
You know, trying somethingthat's kind of like between a
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plum and a brown, a little bitof a red, kind of trendy.
I like it.
I like it a lot.
So, I just added that.
Hillary Clark-Mina (16:13):
It's edgy, because it kind of makes you
look a little ill, but not ill.
You can, it's fashion.
It's a fashion look.
Okay, ill,
Susan Gerdeman (16:22):
but not ill.
Alright,
Hillary Clark-Mina (16:23):
I'll take it.
No, you know what I mean?
It's a fashion color.
You have to have balls to wearthat color.
It's a fashion color.
A fashion color.
It's very, it's the second thescreen came on, I looked at you
and I was like, Ooh, yeah, it'sedgy.
Like me.
Yeah, well, hello.
When you wear makeup, you wearcool colors.
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It reminds me of the, um,aubergine mascara by Chanel from
the nineties.
Do you remember that one?
I still have it.
And I lived for that.
This
Susan Gerdeman (16:54):
color is a lot like there's the Chanel eye
pencil I own.
That's very much like it'sactually that Chanel one is a
little bit more even red, butthis one's a little more.
This is like a burgundy plum,but it's not a plum.
It's definitely leads moreburgundy, but anyway, it's
called alkaline.
It's super fun and cool.
If you're out there and you'relooking for something that isn't
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brown or black and you want tojust have some fun, I have to
say, I'm kind of digging it.
I'm sure I'll get a commentwhen, you know, the kids get
home, they'll be like.
What are you doing?
But you know, that's okay.
They know by now there'll besomething going on when they
come home.
So that's the little haul thatwe did recently.
That's kind of some of the funthat we had.
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And I think that's what makeup'sall about, right?
Trying new things.
And I just want our listeners toknow that, you know, we're still
trying stuff where there's stuffwe like, stuff we don't like.
And please, if disclaim this,just because there's something
that I loved or didn't lovedoesn't mean You won't.
I think that's why we try toshow both sides.
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Like, if I'm skating like this,I would like it.
Or, you know, so do with theinformation what you want,
friends.
Hillary Clark-Mina (18:08):
Yeah.
Maybe at the end, I'll show youguys a contraption that I've
been experimenting with.
Cause for those of you that arejust joining us, I'm the weird
one.
I'm the one that, okay.
Susan Gerdeman (18:22):
Is that a whole other episode though, that we
need to do for this?
What are we gearing up We can doit.
We can save this for anotherepisode.
I swear.
Here I am.
Like, here's some new fun makeupI've been trying and you're
like, pulling out contraptionsthat we don't know what they
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are.
Contraptions.
Oh man, you are.
All right, next.
All right, next episode.
Next episode.
We'll have to do next episode.
The one thing, um, that uh, I amuh, really excited though to
talk about is not just, youknow, all this new and exciting
stuff, is to really talk aboutthis inflammation.
And it's something that I livewith chronic, chronic
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inflammation in my body.
So I do certain things and oneof them, I think you mentioned
earlier, and that is an antiinflammatory diet, which I have
stuck with for years.
But then the past few yearsreally stuck with, and it has
made such a difference.
What I'm eating and drinkinginternally definitely has made a
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change in my skin.
Hillary Clark-Mina (19:31):
Definitely.
And as you and I have discussed,I'm recent, I'm on the verge of
getting a diagnosis that pointsto chronic inflammation, which I
knew I had.
And that's why I went to thedoctor and I said, I need some
blood tests because this iswhat's going on.
And I think that this might behappening.
They gave me a panel.
They said, Oh, 15 percent of thepopulation tests positive for
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that.
But you don't need to worryabout it, but and I said, no, I
do need to worry about itbecause my body's changed.
I'm seeing my body do theseother things and I had to really
advocate and really push for thenext level of tests and they
came back where I was supposedto be in the category of a one.
I'm an eight and they've likefreaked out.
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They're sending me to everyone.
They're bumping appointments.
I'm going to choose to chew it,approach it nutritionally myself
personally, first, before I doanything else.
But, um, yeah, it's all thetriggers are like the house is
on fire.
The alarm bells are going off,but I mean, I knew that by the
way, my body was acting and I'vebeen on an anti inflammatory
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diet my whole time.
A lot of this is hereditary.
And it's now activating.
Susan Gerdeman (20:44):
So, you know, I think you bring up a really good
point Hill, and that's somethingthat I really want to put this
out there to anyone who'slistening.
You have to remember in life.
You know, a lot of what'shappening internally.
You're not crazy.
All right, find someone tolisten to you find the doctor
who understands you no matterhow many you need to go through
(21:06):
to get there, but know that somestuff can be fixed or managed, I
should say.
better word through diet,exercise, sleep, nutrition, et
cetera.
If you do all those sort ofbiomarkers, you hit all those
things, you're, you're, you'reliving your life like you do.
And like I do very healthy, veryaware, very mindful, just
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kidding.
Um, but if you, if you do that,But you're still noticing the
inflammation or stuff is stillcoming up in your blood work
through your physician's office.
I think that's where you need tocome to a realization and almost
an acceptance and understandingthat some stuff is genetic.
Some stuff is hereditary.
Some stuff we cannot control.
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We can manage and we can partnerwith it, but we might not be
able to control it.
So I think that's what we wantto talk about with the
inflammation, the things thatyou can do to help quell
inflammation of the skin, youknow, meditation, anti
inflammatory foods.
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You can eat the salmons.
Follow the diet, eat theblueberries, uh, certain
supplements, um, health, notsmoking, exercising, move your
body 30 minutes every day, like.
We're not telling laughing,having sex, have a puppy, hold a
baby, come and hold the dog, youknow.
(22:32):
We're not telling any of ourlisteners anything they're not
already hearing every day.
Like it's out there now, thewhole anti inflammatory
movement.
This is stuff that you and Ihave been doing, you know, for
years, right?
But sometimes things
Hillary Clark-Mina (22:45):
still
Susan Gerdeman (22:46):
go haywire in your body.
And
Hillary Clark-Mina (22:50):
I
Susan Gerdeman (22:50):
think that when menopause hits for many women,
it creates this perfect storm,as I call it, where you can be
living this anti inflammatorylifestyle, you can be doing all
the things we just talked about,And then all of a sudden you go
through menopause, come out onthe other side, right?
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You're going through that momentof change.
And it's almost like a stormhits.
And this is where we see upticksand flare ups of all types of
different things happening inthe body and happening with our
skin.
And, you know, so many things Ilook back and, you know, I know
when I got sick a few years ago,it was right around that same
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time.
It was like, you start digginglike Nancy Drew and you're like,
wait a minute, that's like aperfect storm situation.
And little things like younotice your hair changes, your
skin changes, like, and all of asudden you're like, why is that
not, that moisturizer notworking as well anymore?
Why is that color not layingdown as well anymore?
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Friends, these are all littlesigns.
These are all Why does myfragrance
Hillary Clark-Mina (23:57):
not smell the same anymore?
Susan Gerdeman (23:59):
Yes! Even your fragrance can change.
A hundred percent! So these areall little signs that you need
to do things like go to yourdoctor once a year, get your
blood work done once a year.
I just had mine done last week.
You know, it's so important toput together your team of beauty
And put together your team ofinternals and your doctors and
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really realize that thesechanges are going to happen.
Inflammation will happen.
I don't know anyone.
I was trying to think the otherday, do I know anyone that
hasn't said to me they're notinflamed lately?
Like everyone is living in thisinflammatory state, even doing
so many of the things we'retalking about living well and
eating right and all this.
So you're never going to get.
(24:43):
You're
Hillary Clark-Mina (24:43):
never going to get a perfect baseline.
You're never going to get in atoxic world.
We can't live in bubbles.
We have to be happy.
So You know, find the joy.
I'm actually, I'm talking tothis company called rebalance,
um, later this week.
So I'm going to update everyone.
Rebalance was started by agentleman for his wife that was
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experiencing elevated cortisoland.
All of these issues aroundmenopause, my understanding so
far is that they really targetcortisol and they do it with
sublingual pellets morning, noonand night that have a measured
dose, mostly of, um, Herbs.
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That's what I have theinformation for right now.
I'm going to find out more, butit's more of an herbal sort of a
supplement that helps tonaturally lower cortisol.
I don't know a lot.
Stay tuned.
And I'm going to find out morebecause cortisol, cortisol is
the killer.
Susan Gerdeman (25:41):
Cortisol though, I will tell you this, cortisol
can only, correct me if I'mwrong and any listeners that are
physicians out there, but frommy physicians have told me,
cortisol can only, you can onlytrack your morning, noon and
night cortisol through a salivatest.
Through a sex hormone test andthat will tell you where your
cortisol levels are morning noonand night I did that test to
(26:06):
find out about mine andInterestingly enough and I don't
know how many other listenersare like this and you know, we
share everything here as youknow My cortisol levels were
perfect phenomenal I couldn'tbelieve it.
They were great.
I had no cortisol issues at all.
Yet there's some inflammation inmy body that I live with.
So again, you know, I think wehave to be so careful to like,
(26:29):
you know, all of us, like, well,my cortisol, you don't know
what's high and what isn'tunless you have it tested
regularly, careful, just takingsupplements, be careful, just
going on the tick tock bandwagonand, you know, doing what
everyone else is doing.
You need to go and get tested.
You need to go in for your bodyand find out exactly what's
going on.
(26:50):
And I believe I've been told acertain amount of cortisol is
important.
You can have too low a cortisol.
So you need it.
You need it.
Yeah.
Hillary Clark-Mina (27:01):
Cause a cascade of problems.
So, but you you're right, Susan,in that this is what a lot of
people don't know is they don'tget testing when they're over
40.
They don't get testing untilthere's a problem, start getting
testing.
So you have a baseline Because,you know, let's just face it,
the white male doctors that havebeen measuring and studying
menopause for decades, thenormal range for us and our
(27:25):
hormones is so broad.
So broad.
You could be, you could be anextreme problematic.
symptomatic situations andthey're not going to help you.
I've said, I've had people tellme no, because you're just at
the high end of normal.
I've had other people look atfull blood panels and they look
(27:48):
at it, you know, from a muchwider view and they're like, of
course you're miserable.
This, and this, and this, andthis is off.
So you have to find yourbaseline, start early, start,
you know, when you're in yourlate thirties, just get a test
one, keep it on file.
Okay.
You may not use it for a millionyears, but it'll be really good
for you to see this is where myhormones were when I felt fine
(28:09):
and great and good.
And then in your forties, yourfifties and your sixties, you'll
be glad that you have thatbenchmark.
Susan Gerdeman (28:15):
Yeah.
You always want to have abaseline, you know, you always
want to have a baseline.
Um, I think that's important,but as far as what we can do as
non physicians and just womengoing through our stuff, let's
talk about as makeup artists andprofessionals.
Um, What, what we can do.
I know we need to cheer as well.
(28:35):
I had my hydrogen water earliertoday, um, but I think we should
talk about certain topicalthings, you know, um, things you
want to stay away from if you'reexperiencing any type of
inflammatory issues, uh, likesay, for instance, a rosacea or,
uh, a puffiness or a dryness oranything you've noticed,
flushing, et cetera.
(28:56):
You want to stay away fromingredients in skin care and in
makeup that contains things likementhol, camphor, crushed seeds
and walnuts, anything that cancause little, you know, I know
Hillary's rolling her eyesbecause she's the esthetician
who has seen skin destroyed withover exfoliation.
And it becomes inflammatorybecause you're over exfoliating,
(29:19):
right?
And infected sometimes.
And infected, but also thoseingredients Hilda are in makeup,
be careful, you know, of doinganything or, you know, nobody, I
mean, do they even, I don'tknow, I was just thinking the
other day, has anybody putretinol in foundation yet?
Because I mean, like, that'sgoing to be like,
Hillary Clark-Mina (29:39):
you know, We're seeing some, we're seeing,
we're seeing some version, we'reseeing forms of vitamin A in
some foundations.
In fact, Clinique was one of thefirst ones to do it in
concealers for breakouts andblemishes and
Susan Gerdeman (29:56):
things like
Hillary Clark-Mina (29:57):
that.
Susan Gerdeman (29:57):
But you have to be really careful with the
ingredients you're putting onyour skin and think, you know,
more calming ingredients.
Think things like So do they,you want to think things like
centella asiatica, you want tothink things like, um, Oh,
(30:19):
what's what I'm thinkingniacinamide, um, you know, some
of that you want to be
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:24):
careful with.
Susan Gerdeman (30:24):
Yep.
Yeah.
Things that are more calming tothe skin, more
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:29):
soothing, no mushrooms, things like that.
Yes, algae, snow mushroom,centella asiatica, all of those
like delicious, calming things.
Um, my whole PSA is this.
So think of it this way.
Your skin is designed toreproduce cells and to replicate
(30:52):
cells.
If you are constantly retchingat your face and forcefully
really speeding up the cellturnover, while also creating
micro injuries.
People think, Oh, I'mexfoliating and I'm a derma
rolling and putting all theseserums in.
So I'm exfoliating and I'mcreating micro injuries.
(31:15):
So I'm taking all the dead skinoff so the serums can get in and
I'm poking holes in my face.
So my collagen is going torebuild.
Hang on a minute.
You can do that in a dermsoffice, maybe at home.
I don't even like people toderma roll at home.
I wouldn't.
Maybe once every six weeks, notevery day.
(31:36):
And let me tell you why.
Because the skin needs time toreplicate cells.
If you have cells that arechronically damaged.
If your micro, if yourepidermis, if your skin on the
surface is always healing from amajor peel or you're overdoing
it on cocktailing your acids andyour skin is ever so slightly
(31:58):
burned.
I have people coming to me beinglike, I exfoliate and I want my
skin to be smooth, but it'sjust, it's so dry and rough and
I'm like, it's It's not dry andrough.
That's a microscab.
Let it heal.
It's weeping.
It's begging.
It's crying for you to leave italone.
Your cells replicate.
somewhat based on the cells thatwere there before them.
(32:20):
So if you can get your skin ashealthy as possible, you're
going to be able to replicatehealthy cells, compromised
cells.
It's harder for them to makehealthier cells.
So give it a break.
Get a laser once in a while.
Do a big peel once in a while.
Do the extreme, but do it moreseasonally, quarterly, and the
(32:43):
things that you do at home.
Think I want a happy, this isyour home environment.
Children are happy in a calmhome.
Children aren't happy in aviolent home.
Think of it kind of that waybecause our bodies are so much
smarter than the labs that aremaking products for us.
(33:04):
So if you put your skin in anultimate balanced nourished
condition, you will be shockedat what it can do.
I can't tell you how many peopleI see that over peel over
exfoliate and they're like, Ihave all these dark spots, all
this hyperpigmentation, it'sgetting so much worse.
And I'm like, that's becauseyour skin's on such high alert
(33:26):
that even if you slather onsunscreen and walk to your
mailbox, your skin is like, Holyshit.
I'm naked and I'm outside coverup.
And it's making dark spotsbecause it feels so exposed.
So easy does it, especially aswe're getting older.
Cause we have that internalstuff going on.
Hot flashes can even trigger,you know, tyrosinase, melanin,
(33:50):
um, the melanocytes to pop off.
So you don't have to walk aroundin a bubble.
We're not fear mongering.
Basically what we're giving youis good news.
You can do less.
And actually get a better resultis what we're saying.
Susan Gerdeman (34:04):
100%.
And I think, you know, a lot of
Hillary Clark-Mina (34:07):
brands
Susan Gerdeman (34:07):
Yeah, and a lot of brands are really addressing
this and you can tell, um,Inflammaging out is coming out
more and more in skincare.
Um, I just found a new one,Dende, online, um, that is
specifically targeted towardsInflammaging, um, and that
looked interesting.
So I might have a look at that.
(34:27):
Elta MD has been addressing, um,Inflammaging for years.
Uh, their whole skin recoveryline is Excellent for someone
who has a very hypersensitive orinflamed skin.
I personally use, and have usedfor quite a few years now, the
Elta MD Skin Recovery Serum inthe pump.
(34:49):
Anytime I get a flare up or myface gets red or aggravated, I
use it.
Or I wore makeup that day andjust, it didn't agree with me or
just whatever life throws itsway at me.
I'll take a little bit of thatserum and put it on.
And it, the next day my skin isjust flawless.
Like the redness is gone withinan hour.
(35:10):
That product is fantastic.
Um, it's nice to see this, youknow.
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:16):
Every, every single project that I've worked
on in product development latelyfor when I say lately, almost
the past decade, I've snuck inwhere possible when it's other
brands, obviously you can onlydo what you can do when
possible.
A few anti inflammatoryingredients, just because their
clients will keep coming backthat more.
(35:37):
I mean, the whole base forbeauty hack, tell it is Attica,
snow mushroom, It's everythingin there is about calming,
hydrating, nourishing.
So you can look for those.
And makeup brands,
Susan Gerdeman (35:51):
too.
Makeup brand.
You know, there's a lot of goodones that are, you know, I don't
know about you, but years ago Iwould always get clients asking
me, I have rosacea, or I have alot of redness, what can I use?
You know, Clinique was alwaysthe gold standard, and I think
in a lot of cases they stillhave their whole redness thing.
line.
So I think Clinique is a, is,you know, a nice sort of place
to start.
(36:12):
L2MD, uh, Reveve has a wholeanti redness skincare line
that's excellent.
Power 28 for makeup.
They're actually
Hillary Clark-Mina (36:21):
approved by, you know, the psoriasis and
eczema foundation.
Yes.
Um, Bare Essentials.
Susan Gerdeman (36:28):
You know, spectacular mineral based makeup
often can be very, very gentle,uh, for skin that's inflamed.
Be careful though, becausesometimes mineral can also look
really dry on the skin.
So it's, you know, there's gottabe a nice balance there, but
(36:48):
bare essentials, I think does areally good job.
If you're looking for somethingthat is, uh, good for inflamed
skin.
I also think, um, Of course,Westman Atelier.
I mean, she really does use alot of anti inflammatory
ingredients in her makeup linethat are excellent.
Jane Iredale I know is alsoanother one.
(37:08):
If you're looking for somethingnaturally, you know,
Hillary Clark-Mina (37:12):
I would actually take a look.
at young blood.
If you've abused, if you've everused bare minerals or Jane, and
you feel like you're tired ofputting it on and waiting for it
to oxidize and change and do allthe things that minerals
typically do look at young bloodbecause they're, they've been, I
found them in the, in thecosmetic surgeon's office 20
(37:33):
plus years ago.
Yeah.
They've been around a long time.
Yeah, all we used after um, co2laser because it would help to
heal.
They don't use the cheapfillers, which is a zinc.
Zinc is a cheap mineral filler.
That's what oxidizes that bothbare minerals and um, Jane use
they don't use zinc so it won'tturn so if you're if you're a
(37:58):
deeper more deeply pigmentedSkin, and you want to use
mineral makeup look at youngblood.
They have the shades They don'tturn and they're more pro luxury
Clean mineral.
So that's great.
If you've all used the othersand it might be time to upgrade
and they've done a really goodjob with hydration.
So they have like a deep seawater
Susan Gerdeman (38:19):
foundation,
Hillary Clark-Mina (38:20):
right?
Susan Gerdeman (38:20):
Because I do, I do notice a lot of the mineral
based, uh, they do tend to be alittle chalky, a little drying,
a little dry looking on theskin, uh, which is fine.
I mean, listen, not every womangets older and gets drier skin.
Some women actually get.
oilier.
So we're just letting, you know,things that we found to be true.
(38:41):
And for my personal skin, itjust tends to be very dry, but I
do have a lot of friends andclients over the years that,
that almost got more shiny andmore oilier as the years went
on.
So you will love products like,you know, the young bloods and
the Jane Iredell's and the bareessentials.
You'll love those mineralproducts.
You'll, your skin will just.
You know, eat them up, but Ithink it's important to whenever
(39:04):
you're using makeup of any kind,really, you know, try to look at
the back of these boxes, youknow, try to take a look.
We're not expecting everybodyto, you know, all of a sudden
become a scientist, but Think ofmakeup and, and, and skincare
almost like you do food.
I read the back of, of anything.
You know, I try not to eat muchthat comes out of a box.
(39:25):
But if I do, I make sure that ithas under a certain amount of
ingredients.
If I see a list of ingredientsthat's this long on the back of
something, whether it'ssomething I'm going to ingest or
put on my face, I do tend topause and think twice.
Um, if it just has like a whole,like, you know, if it's like the
Bible on the back.
(39:46):
You know, that's a lot of stuffon my skin and I'll probably
pass on it, you know, and go tosomething maybe that tends to be
a little, you know, a littleless ingredients forward.
Um, but I think, uh, there'sdefinitely a lot more options
out there now.
Less is more, you know.
Hillary Clark-Mina (40:08):
So the goal, I think really the whole point
of this episode and the goal isto communicate to our audience
that you can do more with less.
When you're looking to improveyour skin, because I think at a
certain point we look in themirror and we're like, Oh, what
(40:29):
am I going to do?
Things are changing.
I have to do so much and there'sall this information out there
and you want to go like on theattack.
It's the exact opposite.
Calm everything down, calmeverything down from the inside,
calm it all down from theoutside and give everything a
break.
(40:49):
integrate slowly one at a time.
That's really our biggestmessage here is, you know,
you'll be surprised once youbaby your skin rather than beat
it up.
It's going to baby you back.
Susan Gerdeman (41:04):
Yeah, I agree.
You know, I think that it's,that is probably the biggest
takeaway from this episode foranyone, you know, beauty is
meant to enrich.
Beauty is meant to heal.
Beauty is meant to make you feelgood.
It's not about.
beating yourself up.
It's not about overdoing.
It's not, it's always, we alwayswant to like do too much.
(41:26):
And if it's the one lesson I cansay before you, you know, put
that makeup on in the morning,just breathe, think about it,
then go forward.
Right.
And I guess that's a goodanalogy for life, right?
Think before you put the glosson.
Right.
Hillary Clark-Mina (41:44):
I love it.
I love it.
I'm excited.
I'm sending this one to you.
I'm excited to have fun.
I'm so
Susan Gerdeman (41:50):
excited to try that.
Thank you for thinking of me andsending it to me.
Of course.
I can't wait to show you guys mycontraption on our next episode.
Oh my god.
Stay tuned for the contraption.
What are we talking about nexttime, Susan?
Wait, Hill, we just had a wholeepisode on less is more and
breathe and be natural and antiinflammatory.
(42:11):
And then you're showing likestraps and things that you're
doing to yourself.
I have problems.
I don't
Hillary Clark-Mina (42:15):
know what's happening.
I'm a curious mind.
I am still a working makeupartist, so I need to know these
things.
Okay, well, yeah.
I know.
I mean, we'll just Listen,you're gonna get it all here,
okay?
If anybody
Susan Gerdeman (42:27):
out there ever wants a, a little human guinea
pig, Hillary's your girl.
She'll, she'll give it a go forsure.
She'll try it.
Uh, I have to stay informed forthe people.
You really do.
You have to stay informed forme, so that I can call you and
say, Hey, why don't you trythis, Hill?
Yeah, that's a good idea.
(42:48):
But you
Hillary Clark-Mina (42:49):
stick your finger in the light.
Yeah, why
Susan Gerdeman (42:51):
don't
Hillary Clark-Mina (42:51):
you stick your finger in the socket?
Can you imagine?
Yeah.
If we were sisters for real, Iwould have been getting like, I
don't know if I would have madeit.
You would have been just doingit to see if you could get me to
do it and laugh.
Susan Gerdeman (43:04):
Pretty much.
You would have been the onealways in a time out and I would
have been standing in the cornergoing, yeah, big sister, little
sister.
What can I tell you?
So yes, until next week, myfriends.
Stay healthy,
Hillary Clark-Mina (43:20):
but go check us out Instagram at Life Gloss
Podcast.
We love it when you follow usthere.
It allows us to keep this going.
Tell your friends, tell yourfamily, we have some incredible
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Lots of really good guests.
(43:40):
Keep your questions comingbecause we do book guests
according to what you want tosee and we answer all of your
questions.
So at Life Gloss Podcast.
So as always, Susan, I'm goingto keep you glossy.
I'm going to send me
Susan Gerdeman (43:54):
glossy friend.
Send it my way.
Stay glossy.
Stay glossy, Susan.
Welcome to Life Gloss, a beautypodcast for sassy and seasoned
women who have lived life andhave a drawer full of lip gloss
to prefer.
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:09):
Welcome back to LifeGlass, we're talking
inflammaging today, and ifyou're wondering, what is that
even a word?
Inflammaging, it's inflammationrelated disease.
Aging.
So, listen up, it's known as thesilent killer, and you may very
(00:32):
well have inflammation ragingthrough your body.
Inflam raging, see how I didthat?
Uh, but it's causing aging.
We're
Susan Gerdeman (00:42):
going to talk about it.
Let's talk about it.
Yeah, it's like the house is onfire.
Is it hot in here or is it me?
I mean, all these things, it'sall part of aging.
It's all part of inflammation.
The skin gets flushed.
The body overheats.
It just, you know, it's like afurnace working over time and it
(01:02):
shows up on the skin and itstarts, you know, breaking stuff
down and you start to look olderand puffier or redder.
But it's it's an interestingmarketing term, but it's a term
that actually I think is, youknow, look, I'm no scientist,
but it sounds pretty scientific.
It sounds like something that weshould all be talking about.
(01:23):
And I'll be concerned about, Ithink it was Dr.
Perricone actually, who reallywas one of the first who coined,
you know, the phraseinflammating, but if you really
break it down, it makes senseinflammation and aging
inflammation,
Hillary Clark-Mina (01:37):
right?
And if you didn't see our lastepisode with him, scroll back a
few, he is coming back.
So we're going to get more ofhim.
Give us your questions, but it'strue.
And.
One of the things that henoticed when he was studying
disease tissue under themicroscope is that if there was
no inflammation present, therewas no disease present.
So what he found was whenever Isee disease, inflammation is
(02:02):
also present.
So then what is the correlationand could the inflammation have
something to do with thedisease?
So we're actually talking aboutsomething that goes far more
systemically than just our skinand how we look.
By the time it gets to yourskin, it truly is raging
throughout your entire body.
Sure.
Hormones, menopause, aging, allof that.
(02:24):
All of that is inflammation too.
What we wanted to talk abouttoday is that inflammation is
something that goes on subtlyinside the body all the time.
That's why having an antiinflammatory diet is so
important, but you can hit ittopically too.
Rosacea, menopause, all thosethings.
Plus towards the end of our timetogether, I want to spend a
(02:46):
little bit of time talking tothose people at home.
And you know who you are thatare overdoing it with acids,
with derma rolling, with, youknow, all of the stuff that
you're doing to your skin tocreate micro, um, micro
abrasions or micro, microinjuries because then you build
(03:06):
collagen as you heal.
You can do that once in a while,but if you're always in a state
of pro inflammation, a proinflammatory state, you can't
heal.
So too much is too much.
So, but we've got some fun stuffbefore we get to the serious
stuff.
Yeah.
You're wearing makeup today.
I
Susan Gerdeman (03:26):
am.
Did everybody notice I, Iactually put on some makeup.
I put on a little eyeliner.
I was having fun with color.
I think we talked a couple ofepisodes ago about You know,
just sort of, I don't know,having some fun with makeup
again and not taking it soseriously.
So, I had to take the kid to theorthodontist this morning before
school and, I don't know, Ithink I just got up so early
(03:49):
that I was, Like, I'm just goingto toss in some eyeliner and
throw a caution to the wind.
So that's what I did.
Um, but I also pulled someproducts because at the same
time when I got home and I'llput on my glasses so I can
actually see what I'm doing now,um, I got an order from Sephora.
So I thought I would just reallyquickly share some things.
(04:09):
These, this doesn't haveanything to do with
inflammation, um, but it reallydid calm me down getting a
little Sephora package.
Sure.
Sure.
So when I got back and had my,you know, little eyeliner on, I
decided to, um, go through thispackage and I want to share it
and tell you what's going on andwhat I'm keeping.
(04:30):
All right.
So what do you want to startwith?
You want to start with like,what's going back?
What's going to my daughter andwhat I'm keeping?
What?
Yeah, sure.
Okay, so what is going to mydaughter?
Okay, meaning, you know, she's,uh, going to be 18 next month.
She is not a makeup wearer, um,but she does enjoy little bits
(04:53):
and things.
So I decided to jump on the milktrain.
I know they've, you know, beengetting a really lot of press
again and kind of, you know,having a little bit of a
comeback again.
So I thought, you know, what I,you know, I got sucked in by a
color hill.
So there is a new gloss.
It is their Odyssey, the lip oilgloss, those hybrids.
(05:15):
You know why I don't listen tomyself when I say, Susan, you
don't like those hybrids.
And I thought, but maybe I'lllike this one because you know,
I love me a gloss.
I am a gloss girl.
I love to toss on and go.
This is in my wheelhouse thiscolor right here.
It's a shade called Wander whichis perfect for me And um,
(05:39):
because I do like to wanderespecially when i'm shopping and
roaming around So I loved thecolor.
It didn't have shimmer.
I thought this is the perfectthrow it on and go out of the
house You know who you arelisteners Um, if you're like me
toss it on without having tolook in a mirror and you look
good.
Instantly done.
Yeah.
(05:59):
But it's a gloss oil hybrid.
So what does that mean?
It means it's really sheer.
It means it doesn't have a lotof length in the time of wear.
It doesn't have that rich,glossy feel that I like.
Some people like to feel nothingon their lips.
If that's you, you'll love this.
(06:21):
It feels like nothing, andtherefore it is
Hillary Clark-Mina (06:26):
nothing I want.
I need, as we came from the Maclip glas day.
Yeah, we don't want that sticky,but we want, I
Susan Gerdeman (06:35):
need an anxious lip.
I need a lip that I can use afork and knife with.
Mm-Hmm.
I don't want a teaspoon lip.
I don't want this little like.
Oh, it doesn't feel it feelslike Aaron have anything.
No, I'm not that person.
I want a lip.
So if you don't want a lip, butyou just want a little moisture
(06:55):
and gloss and go, I think theseare great.
So
Hillary Clark-Mina (06:59):
bad, bad, bad, bad friend.
Today I'm going to the postoffice.
I'm sending you this.
This is your color.
That's my color.
I see that.
Susan Gerdeman (07:10):
That's a me.
It's a pinky nude.
It's a pinky nude, but it's nottoo pink.
Yeah, but look at that gloss.
Look at that thickness that thatviscosity that mm-Hmm, that,
that's a fork in knife lip rightthere.
My friend.
This is a fork and it's full of
Hillary Clark-Mina (07:27):
shea ha hoba.
He, yes.
This is a young blood one.
It's a color called a more soI'm saying
Susan Gerdeman (07:35):
you
Hillary Clark-Mina (07:35):
some love.
Susan Gerdeman (07:36):
I'll do it.
Drive down the hills ofHollywood and toss that in the
post to your friend.
I will talk in the post to you.
Because this is going to mydaughter.
She will love this.
This is Gen Z, man.
This is that natural light.
It's a gloss oil.
It's not too heavy.
It's really sheer, noncommittal.
She'll love this.
So here you go, daughter ofmine.
(07:59):
You have a gloss.
She's lucky.
That's going to her and that'skind of her color because it's
just very she's a redhead moreShe's you know, she's not a
redhead.
She'd kill you if she she heardyou say that she's not she's
golden She's sort of like a likea light brown golden.
You can't say redhead to thesekids.
They'll like have a heart It'sshe just she's not a redhead.
Nothing against redheads.
(08:19):
She is not though.
Um Redhead, I know but shedidn't get that gene.
I don't know.
Okay.
Okay, so You Let's see.
Um, so that's going to her.
That's going to the daughter.
So it's not going back.
It's going to my daughter.
Cause I do think she'll likethat.
So, um, want to know what I'mkeeping or want to know what's
going back?
What's going back and why?
(08:40):
Okay.
So this one's heartbreaking tome, but, um, I really wanted to
love this and it's not workingfor me.
Might work for you.
But I do tend to have a drierskin.
So this is not working for me.
This is Charlotte Tilbury, theunreal sheer skin glow tint.
It is a foundation and shimmerin a stick all in one.
(09:04):
It is so pretty.
I love the color.
It is so beautiful.
It's like, it's a, it's almostlike a tinted moisturizer in a
stick.
And it's.
Very glowy, super high micaload, like real, like a light
bulb exploded on my skin, um,which I kind of love.
(09:24):
Here's my issue.
Because I'm a dryer skin, when Iput this on and I want, I looked
all glowy, but then I look closein the mirror, it was patchy.
It like didn't lay nicely.
Question.
Yes.
Hillary Clark-Mina (09:41):
Can you use it as a highlighter?
Susan Gerdeman (09:45):
Yeah, I could, but it has, it has coverage in
it.
So it's sort of like a, a tintedmoisturizer and a stick.
And I wanted to love this sobadly, but it's not working on
me.
It made my skin look, and Idon't, if you're a person with
pores,
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:04):
No, I was going
Susan Gerdeman (10:06):
to say send it to me, but no, it's I would, but
you'll hate it.
I know you
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:12):
I'll hate it because I have pores.
See?
Susan Gerdeman (10:14):
Yeah.
If you have pores, this is notfor you.
If you're poor less, this isperfect.
I would love to see this.
I think I'm going to be honest.
I think it might be for someoneyounger, you know, who just
doesn't have any pores or anyanything and just wants to glow,
(10:36):
but I wanted to love this.
So I'm kind of, oh, I'm bummedout.
I'm irritated and you're right.
I could probably keep it, justuse it under my eyes or as a
highlighter, but.
I have six.
Hillary Clark-Mina (10:48):
If the mica load is too heavy, you don't
even want it under your eyes.
So, okay, show us what, whatelse did you get?
Okay.
Susan Gerdeman (10:55):
So then, um, what am I keeping?
What am I loving?
So in the ever expanding worldof, um, concealers, because it
seems like everyone is dog.
Is doing a concealer.
The concealer is the new blush.
Yeah, I mean, concealers, thenew blush this month.
Um, I went ahead and got theGucci Westman concealer and
(11:17):
everybody's talking about, yes,we love her packaging from
Italy.
I'm sure it's from Italy.
It's so beautiful.
So Lux, you know, I love herwhole brand.
Love the whole line.
It's really targeted to us over40.
Love, love, love.
I have to say the concealer isexcellent.
Now I will tell you this.
(11:38):
It is a concealer, meaning it isnot a serum hybrid concealer.
It is not a sheer concealer.
It is not a highlightingconcealer, nor is it a thick
cream wax concealer.
It is for.
In my opinion, probably skinthat's more mature or maybe
leans more towards dry becauseit's creamy, but at the same
(12:00):
time, it's coverage.
It's opaque.
It is a thick concealer.
This is not a, a sheer washconcealer.
This is a, Wow.
I didn't see it 80s,
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:13):
90s.
This is a, like, old school.
Here's a concealer.
Susan Gerdeman (12:18):
It is, but at the same time, Hill, I'm gonna
be honest with you, she did abeautiful job of, it's so
malleable, it just has abeautiful, it's matte, but it
glows, but it doesn't shimmer.
You can tell she put years intothis.
I gotta tell you, she did agreat
Hillary Clark-Mina (12:34):
job.
I've been hearing on TikTok fromsome of my people, um, that know
my age, you know, from myvintage beauty, a few of them
are makeup artists and justbeauty lovers, of course.
And a couple of them have said,Hey, we have the Maxine's
revenge.
We love it.
But have you tried, there's thisnew one.
And if you want even differentkind of coverage, like they
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didn't even know exactly what tosay either.
They were like, well, I'm goingto tell you, I'll go.
Susan Gerdeman (13:02):
As a professional makeup artist.
Um, it is totally different.
It is, it is this, you can useit, you know, as a concealer.
I like to, I used it just as aconcealer around my nose.
I put a dot on my chin and undermy eyes.
Am I going to them buff it outand use it all over my face?
(13:22):
No, I'm going to do that with myMaxine's Revenge.
I'm going to do that with Kosis.
I'm going to do that with moreof a serum liquidy concealer.
This is really meant to conceal.
I would not personally use thisas an all over wash.
I suppose you could, but I, whenI haven't slept.
(13:47):
or allergy season, right?
Just having a rough day.
This is what I'm going to grab.
This provides a lot of coverage.
She's a beauty.
It's really good, but I've beenwearing it most of the day.
Okay.
I was going to ask you.
I'm not getting any breakdownand I have my eye cream on.
(14:09):
I'm not getting any, uh, there'sno separation at all.
I'm not getting any, you know,funny lines and wrinkles, like
nothing settling.
I got to tell you did a really,really good job on this.
Okay.
So if you're looking for aconcealer, that is a concealer.
This is a really good one.
(14:30):
Um, you know what I
Hillary Clark-Mina (14:31):
picked up lately now that I happen to be
sitting next to my makeup bag,you know, I pulled out that I
haven't used for a long time.
For those of you that get, youknow, color here.
Cause I have a lot of seethrough on my eyelids.
It can make me look sick.
And sometimes things willcrease.
Cause I have, you know, hoodedlids more on this side than on
(14:51):
this side.
I forgot Anastasia does thispencil.
And it's dry.
It's a very dry pencil and it'scalled her pro pencil.
It's called an eyeshadow primerand a color corrector.
Yeah.
I use it all over just in thosetough spots when I don't want
(15:14):
things to move.
Yeah.
And you know, it, it's dry.
So you do be aware of that.
But Yeah.
Susan Gerdeman (15:22):
And speaking of eyes, I, this is the eye pencil
I put on.
Um, I told you, I would tell youearlier, it's the Urban Decay,
the 24 seven, you know, I lovethe 24 seven.
They're really, they're justgood.
They're easy.
They're quick.
They're a gel hybrid pencil.
This color is called Alkaline,and it is really, really like a
(15:43):
reddish, aubergine y, purple ykind of, it's great with green
eyes, blue eyes.
I have to tell you, if you'relooking, if you're someone who
doesn't wear liner or you tendto use browns or colors like
that a lot because you don'twant color per se, this is a
nice little branch out.
You know, trying somethingthat's kind of like between a
(16:05):
plum and a brown, a little bitof a red, kind of trendy.
I like it.
I like it a lot.
So, I just added that.
Hillary Clark-Mina (16:13):
It's edgy, because it kind of makes you
look a little ill, but not ill.
You can, it's fashion.
It's a fashion look.
Okay, ill,
Susan Gerdeman (16:22):
but not ill.
Alright,
Hillary Clark-Mina (16:23):
I'll take it.
No, you know what I mean?
It's a fashion color.
You have to have balls to wearthat color.
It's a fashion color.
A fashion color.
It's very, it's the second thescreen came on, I looked at you
and I was like, Ooh, yeah, it'sedgy.
Like me.
Yeah, well, hello.
When you wear makeup, you wearcool colors.
(16:43):
It reminds me of the, um,aubergine mascara by Chanel from
the nineties.
Do you remember that one?
I still have it.
And I lived for that.
This
Susan Gerdeman (16:54):
color is a lot like there's the Chanel eye
pencil I own.
That's very much like it'sactually that Chanel one is a
little bit more even red, butthis one's a little more.
This is like a burgundy plum,but it's not a plum.
It's definitely leads moreburgundy, but anyway, it's
called alkaline.
It's super fun and cool.
If you're out there and you'relooking for something that isn't
(17:15):
brown or black and you want tojust have some fun, I have to
say, I'm kind of digging it.
I'm sure I'll get a commentwhen, you know, the kids get
home, they'll be like.
What are you doing?
But you know, that's okay.
They know by now there'll besomething going on when they
come home.
So that's the little haul thatwe did recently.
That's kind of some of the funthat we had.
(17:37):
And I think that's what makeup'sall about, right?
Trying new things.
And I just want our listeners toknow that, you know, we're still
trying stuff where there's stuffwe like, stuff we don't like.
And please, if disclaim this,just because there's something
that I loved or didn't lovedoesn't mean You won't.
I think that's why we try toshow both sides.
(18:00):
Like, if I'm skating like this,I would like it.
Or, you know, so do with theinformation what you want,
friends.
Hillary Clark-Mina (18:08):
Yeah.
Maybe at the end, I'll show youguys a contraption that I've
been experimenting with.
Cause for those of you that arejust joining us, I'm the weird
one.
I'm the one that, okay.
Susan Gerdeman (18:22):
Is that a whole other episode though, that we
need to do for this?
What are we gearing up We can doit.
We can save this for anotherepisode.
I swear.
Here I am.
Like, here's some new fun makeupI've been trying and you're
like, pulling out contraptionsthat we don't know what they
(18:43):
are.
Contraptions.
Oh man, you are.
All right, next.
All right, next episode.
Next episode.
We'll have to do next episode.
The one thing, um, that uh, I amuh, really excited though to
talk about is not just, youknow, all this new and exciting
stuff, is to really talk aboutthis inflammation.
And it's something that I livewith chronic, chronic
(19:06):
inflammation in my body.
So I do certain things and oneof them, I think you mentioned
earlier, and that is an antiinflammatory diet, which I have
stuck with for years.
But then the past few yearsreally stuck with, and it has
made such a difference.
What I'm eating and drinkinginternally definitely has made a
(19:28):
change in my skin.
Hillary Clark-Mina (19:31):
Definitely.
And as you and I have discussed,I'm recent, I'm on the verge of
getting a diagnosis that pointsto chronic inflammation, which I
knew I had.
And that's why I went to thedoctor and I said, I need some
blood tests because this iswhat's going on.
And I think that this might behappening.
They gave me a panel.
They said, Oh, 15 percent of thepopulation tests positive for
(19:53):
that.
But you don't need to worryabout it, but and I said, no, I
do need to worry about itbecause my body's changed.
I'm seeing my body do theseother things and I had to really
advocate and really push for thenext level of tests and they
came back where I was supposedto be in the category of a one.
I'm an eight and they've likefreaked out.
(20:16):
They're sending me to everyone.
They're bumping appointments.
I'm going to choose to chew it,approach it nutritionally myself
personally, first, before I doanything else.
But, um, yeah, it's all thetriggers are like the house is
on fire.
The alarm bells are going off,but I mean, I knew that by the
way, my body was acting and I'vebeen on an anti inflammatory
(20:37):
diet my whole time.
A lot of this is hereditary.
And it's now activating.
Susan Gerdeman (20:44):
So, you know, I think you bring up a really good
point Hill, and that's somethingthat I really want to put this
out there to anyone who'slistening.
You have to remember in life.
You know, a lot of what'shappening internally.
You're not crazy.
All right, find someone tolisten to you find the doctor
who understands you no matterhow many you need to go through
(21:06):
to get there, but know that somestuff can be fixed or managed, I
should say.
better word through diet,exercise, sleep, nutrition, et
cetera.
If you do all those sort ofbiomarkers, you hit all those
things, you're, you're, you'reliving your life like you do.
And like I do very healthy, veryaware, very mindful, just
(21:27):
kidding.
Um, but if you, if you do that,But you're still noticing the
inflammation or stuff is stillcoming up in your blood work
through your physician's office.
I think that's where you need tocome to a realization and almost
an acceptance and understandingthat some stuff is genetic.
Some stuff is hereditary.
Some stuff we cannot control.
(21:49):
We can manage and we can partnerwith it, but we might not be
able to control it.
So I think that's what we wantto talk about with the
inflammation, the things thatyou can do to help quell
inflammation of the skin, youknow, meditation, anti
inflammatory foods.
(22:10):
You can eat the salmons.
Follow the diet, eat theblueberries, uh, certain
supplements, um, health, notsmoking, exercising, move your
body 30 minutes every day, like.
We're not telling laughing,having sex, have a puppy, hold a
baby, come and hold the dog, youknow.
(22:32):
We're not telling any of ourlisteners anything they're not
already hearing every day.
Like it's out there now, thewhole anti inflammatory
movement.
This is stuff that you and Ihave been doing, you know, for
years, right?
But sometimes things
Hillary Clark-Mina (22:45):
still
Susan Gerdeman (22:46):
go haywire in your body.
And
Hillary Clark-Mina (22:50):
I
Susan Gerdeman (22:50):
think that when menopause hits for many women,
it creates this perfect storm,as I call it, where you can be
living this anti inflammatorylifestyle, you can be doing all
the things we just talked about,And then all of a sudden you go
through menopause, come out onthe other side, right?
(23:11):
You're going through that momentof change.
And it's almost like a stormhits.
And this is where we see upticksand flare ups of all types of
different things happening inthe body and happening with our
skin.
And, you know, so many things Ilook back and, you know, I know
when I got sick a few years ago,it was right around that same
(23:32):
time.
It was like, you start digginglike Nancy Drew and you're like,
wait a minute, that's like aperfect storm situation.
And little things like younotice your hair changes, your
skin changes, like, and all of asudden you're like, why is that
not, that moisturizer notworking as well anymore?
Why is that color not layingdown as well anymore?
(23:52):
Friends, these are all littlesigns.
These are all Why does myfragrance
Hillary Clark-Mina (23:57):
not smell the same anymore?
Susan Gerdeman (23:59):
Yes! Even your fragrance can change.
A hundred percent! So these areall little signs that you need
to do things like go to yourdoctor once a year, get your
blood work done once a year.
I just had mine done last week.
You know, it's so important toput together your team of beauty
And put together your team ofinternals and your doctors and
(24:21):
really realize that thesechanges are going to happen.
Inflammation will happen.
I don't know anyone.
I was trying to think the otherday, do I know anyone that
hasn't said to me they're notinflamed lately?
Like everyone is living in thisinflammatory state, even doing
so many of the things we'retalking about living well and
eating right and all this.
So you're never going to get.
(24:43):
You're
Hillary Clark-Mina (24:43):
never going to get a perfect baseline.
You're never going to get in atoxic world.
We can't live in bubbles.
We have to be happy.
So You know, find the joy.
I'm actually, I'm talking tothis company called rebalance,
um, later this week.
So I'm going to update everyone.
Rebalance was started by agentleman for his wife that was
(25:04):
experiencing elevated cortisoland.
All of these issues aroundmenopause, my understanding so
far is that they really targetcortisol and they do it with
sublingual pellets morning, noonand night that have a measured
dose, mostly of, um, Herbs.
(25:25):
That's what I have theinformation for right now.
I'm going to find out more, butit's more of an herbal sort of a
supplement that helps tonaturally lower cortisol.
I don't know a lot.
Stay tuned.
And I'm going to find out morebecause cortisol, cortisol is
the killer.
Susan Gerdeman (25:41):
Cortisol though, I will tell you this, cortisol
can only, correct me if I'mwrong and any listeners that are
physicians out there, but frommy physicians have told me,
cortisol can only, you can onlytrack your morning, noon and
night cortisol through a salivatest.
Through a sex hormone test andthat will tell you where your
cortisol levels are morning noonand night I did that test to
(26:06):
find out about mine andInterestingly enough and I don't
know how many other listenersare like this and you know, we
share everything here as youknow My cortisol levels were
perfect phenomenal I couldn'tbelieve it.
They were great.
I had no cortisol issues at all.
Yet there's some inflammation inmy body that I live with.
So again, you know, I think wehave to be so careful to like,
(26:29):
you know, all of us, like, well,my cortisol, you don't know
what's high and what isn'tunless you have it tested
regularly, careful, just takingsupplements, be careful, just
going on the tick tock bandwagonand, you know, doing what
everyone else is doing.
You need to go and get tested.
You need to go in for your bodyand find out exactly what's
going on.
(26:50):
And I believe I've been told acertain amount of cortisol is
important.
You can have too low a cortisol.
So you need it.
You need it.
Yeah.
Hillary Clark-Mina (27:01):
Cause a cascade of problems.
So, but you you're right, Susan,in that this is what a lot of
people don't know is they don'tget testing when they're over
40.
They don't get testing untilthere's a problem, start getting
testing.
So you have a baseline Because,you know, let's just face it,
the white male doctors that havebeen measuring and studying
menopause for decades, thenormal range for us and our
(27:25):
hormones is so broad.
So broad.
You could be, you could be anextreme problematic.
symptomatic situations andthey're not going to help you.
I've said, I've had people tellme no, because you're just at
the high end of normal.
I've had other people look atfull blood panels and they look
(27:48):
at it, you know, from a muchwider view and they're like, of
course you're miserable.
This, and this, and this, andthis is off.
So you have to find yourbaseline, start early, start,
you know, when you're in yourlate thirties, just get a test
one, keep it on file.
Okay.
You may not use it for a millionyears, but it'll be really good
for you to see this is where myhormones were when I felt fine
(28:09):
and great and good.
And then in your forties, yourfifties and your sixties, you'll
be glad that you have thatbenchmark.
Susan Gerdeman (28:15):
Yeah.
You always want to have abaseline, you know, you always
want to have a baseline.
Um, I think that's important,but as far as what we can do as
non physicians and just womengoing through our stuff, let's
talk about as makeup artists andprofessionals.
Um, What, what we can do.
I know we need to cheer as well.
(28:35):
I had my hydrogen water earliertoday, um, but I think we should
talk about certain topicalthings, you know, um, things you
want to stay away from if you'reexperiencing any type of
inflammatory issues, uh, likesay, for instance, a rosacea or,
uh, a puffiness or a dryness oranything you've noticed,
flushing, et cetera.
(28:56):
You want to stay away fromingredients in skin care and in
makeup that contains things likementhol, camphor, crushed seeds
and walnuts, anything that cancause little, you know, I know
Hillary's rolling her eyesbecause she's the esthetician
who has seen skin destroyed withover exfoliation.
And it becomes inflammatorybecause you're over exfoliating,
(29:19):
right?
And infected sometimes.
And infected, but also thoseingredients Hilda are in makeup,
be careful, you know, of doinganything or, you know, nobody, I
mean, do they even, I don'tknow, I was just thinking the
other day, has anybody putretinol in foundation yet?
Because I mean, like, that'sgoing to be like,
Hillary Clark-Mina (29:39):
you know, We're seeing some, we're seeing,
we're seeing some version, we'reseeing forms of vitamin A in
some foundations.
In fact, Clinique was one of thefirst ones to do it in
concealers for breakouts andblemishes and
Susan Gerdeman (29:56):
things like
Hillary Clark-Mina (29:57):
that.
Susan Gerdeman (29:57):
But you have to be really careful with the
ingredients you're putting onyour skin and think, you know,
more calming ingredients.
Think things like So do they,you want to think things like
centella asiatica, you want tothink things like, um, Oh,
(30:19):
what's what I'm thinkingniacinamide, um, you know, some
of that you want to be
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:24):
careful with.
Susan Gerdeman (30:24):
Yep.
Yeah.
Things that are more calming tothe skin, more
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:29):
soothing, no mushrooms, things like that.
Yes, algae, snow mushroom,centella asiatica, all of those
like delicious, calming things.
Um, my whole PSA is this.
So think of it this way.
Your skin is designed toreproduce cells and to replicate
(30:52):
cells.
If you are constantly retchingat your face and forcefully
really speeding up the cellturnover, while also creating
micro injuries.
People think, Oh, I'mexfoliating and I'm a derma
rolling and putting all theseserums in.
So I'm exfoliating and I'mcreating micro injuries.
(31:15):
So I'm taking all the dead skinoff so the serums can get in and
I'm poking holes in my face.
So my collagen is going torebuild.
Hang on a minute.
You can do that in a dermsoffice, maybe at home.
I don't even like people toderma roll at home.
I wouldn't.
Maybe once every six weeks, notevery day.
(31:36):
And let me tell you why.
Because the skin needs time toreplicate cells.
If you have cells that arechronically damaged.
If your micro, if yourepidermis, if your skin on the
surface is always healing from amajor peel or you're overdoing
it on cocktailing your acids andyour skin is ever so slightly
(31:58):
burned.
I have people coming to me beinglike, I exfoliate and I want my
skin to be smooth, but it'sjust, it's so dry and rough and
I'm like, it's It's not dry andrough.
That's a microscab.
Let it heal.
It's weeping.
It's begging.
It's crying for you to leave italone.
Your cells replicate.
somewhat based on the cells thatwere there before them.
(32:20):
So if you can get your skin ashealthy as possible, you're
going to be able to replicatehealthy cells, compromised
cells.
It's harder for them to makehealthier cells.
So give it a break.
Get a laser once in a while.
Do a big peel once in a while.
Do the extreme, but do it moreseasonally, quarterly, and the
(32:43):
things that you do at home.
Think I want a happy, this isyour home environment.
Children are happy in a calmhome.
Children aren't happy in aviolent home.
Think of it kind of that waybecause our bodies are so much
smarter than the labs that aremaking products for us.
(33:04):
So if you put your skin in anultimate balanced nourished
condition, you will be shockedat what it can do.
I can't tell you how many peopleI see that over peel over
exfoliate and they're like, Ihave all these dark spots, all
this hyperpigmentation, it'sgetting so much worse.
And I'm like, that's becauseyour skin's on such high alert
(33:26):
that even if you slather onsunscreen and walk to your
mailbox, your skin is like, Holyshit.
I'm naked and I'm outside coverup.
And it's making dark spotsbecause it feels so exposed.
So easy does it, especially aswe're getting older.
Cause we have that internalstuff going on.
Hot flashes can even trigger,you know, tyrosinase, melanin,
(33:50):
um, the melanocytes to pop off.
So you don't have to walk aroundin a bubble.
We're not fear mongering.
Basically what we're giving youis good news.
You can do less.
And actually get a better resultis what we're saying.
Susan Gerdeman (34:04):
100%.
And I think, you know, a lot of
Hillary Clark-Mina (34:07):
brands
Susan Gerdeman (34:07):
Yeah, and a lot of brands are really addressing
this and you can tell, um,Inflammaging out is coming out
more and more in skincare.
Um, I just found a new one,Dende, online, um, that is
specifically targeted towardsInflammaging, um, and that
looked interesting.
So I might have a look at that.
(34:27):
Elta MD has been addressing, um,Inflammaging for years.
Uh, their whole skin recoveryline is Excellent for someone
who has a very hypersensitive orinflamed skin.
I personally use, and have usedfor quite a few years now, the
Elta MD Skin Recovery Serum inthe pump.
(34:49):
Anytime I get a flare up or myface gets red or aggravated, I
use it.
Or I wore makeup that day andjust, it didn't agree with me or
just whatever life throws itsway at me.
I'll take a little bit of thatserum and put it on.
And it, the next day my skin isjust flawless.
Like the redness is gone withinan hour.
(35:10):
That product is fantastic.
Um, it's nice to see this, youknow.
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:16):
Every, every single project that I've worked
on in product development latelyfor when I say lately, almost
the past decade, I've snuck inwhere possible when it's other
brands, obviously you can onlydo what you can do when
possible.
A few anti inflammatoryingredients, just because their
clients will keep coming backthat more.
(35:37):
I mean, the whole base forbeauty hack, tell it is Attica,
snow mushroom, It's everythingin there is about calming,
hydrating, nourishing.
So you can look for those.
And makeup brands,
Susan Gerdeman (35:51):
too.
Makeup brand.
You know, there's a lot of goodones that are, you know, I don't
know about you, but years ago Iwould always get clients asking
me, I have rosacea, or I have alot of redness, what can I use?
You know, Clinique was alwaysthe gold standard, and I think
in a lot of cases they stillhave their whole redness thing.
line.
So I think Clinique is a, is,you know, a nice sort of place
to start.
(36:12):
L2MD, uh, Reveve has a wholeanti redness skincare line
that's excellent.
Power 28 for makeup.
They're actually
Hillary Clark-Mina (36:21):
approved by, you know, the psoriasis and
eczema foundation.
Yes.
Um, Bare Essentials.
Susan Gerdeman (36:28):
You know, spectacular mineral based makeup
often can be very, very gentle,uh, for skin that's inflamed.
Be careful though, becausesometimes mineral can also look
really dry on the skin.
So it's, you know, there's gottabe a nice balance there, but
(36:48):
bare essentials, I think does areally good job.
If you're looking for somethingthat is, uh, good for inflamed
skin.
I also think, um, Of course,Westman Atelier.
I mean, she really does use alot of anti inflammatory
ingredients in her makeup linethat are excellent.
Jane Iredale I know is alsoanother one.
(37:08):
If you're looking for somethingnaturally, you know,
Hillary Clark-Mina (37:12):
I would actually take a look.
at young blood.
If you've abused, if you've everused bare minerals or Jane, and
you feel like you're tired ofputting it on and waiting for it
to oxidize and change and do allthe things that minerals
typically do look at young bloodbecause they're, they've been, I
found them in the, in thecosmetic surgeon's office 20
(37:33):
plus years ago.
Yeah.
They've been around a long time.
Yeah, all we used after um, co2laser because it would help to
heal.
They don't use the cheapfillers, which is a zinc.
Zinc is a cheap mineral filler.
That's what oxidizes that bothbare minerals and um, Jane use
they don't use zinc so it won'tturn so if you're if you're a
(37:58):
deeper more deeply pigmentedSkin, and you want to use
mineral makeup look at youngblood.
They have the shades They don'tturn and they're more pro luxury
Clean mineral.
So that's great.
If you've all used the othersand it might be time to upgrade
and they've done a really goodjob with hydration.
So they have like a deep seawater
Susan Gerdeman (38:19):
foundation,
Hillary Clark-Mina (38:20):
right?
Susan Gerdeman (38:20):
Because I do, I do notice a lot of the mineral
based, uh, they do tend to be alittle chalky, a little drying,
a little dry looking on theskin, uh, which is fine.
I mean, listen, not every womangets older and gets drier skin.
Some women actually get.
oilier.
So we're just letting, you know,things that we found to be true.
(38:41):
And for my personal skin, itjust tends to be very dry, but I
do have a lot of friends andclients over the years that,
that almost got more shiny andmore oilier as the years went
on.
So you will love products like,you know, the young bloods and
the Jane Iredell's and the bareessentials.
You'll love those mineralproducts.
You'll, your skin will just.
You know, eat them up, but Ithink it's important to whenever
(39:04):
you're using makeup of any kind,really, you know, try to look at
the back of these boxes, youknow, try to take a look.
We're not expecting everybodyto, you know, all of a sudden
become a scientist, but Think ofmakeup and, and, and skincare
almost like you do food.
I read the back of, of anything.
You know, I try not to eat muchthat comes out of a box.
(39:25):
But if I do, I make sure that ithas under a certain amount of
ingredients.
If I see a list of ingredientsthat's this long on the back of
something, whether it'ssomething I'm going to ingest or
put on my face, I do tend topause and think twice.
Um, if it just has like a whole,like, you know, if it's like the
Bible on the back.
(39:46):
You know, that's a lot of stuffon my skin and I'll probably
pass on it, you know, and go tosomething maybe that tends to be
a little, you know, a littleless ingredients forward.
Um, but I think, uh, there'sdefinitely a lot more options
out there now.
Less is more, you know.
Hillary Clark-Mina (40:08):
So the goal, I think really the whole point
of this episode and the goal isto communicate to our audience
that you can do more with less.
When you're looking to improveyour skin, because I think at a
certain point we look in themirror and we're like, Oh, what
(40:29):
am I going to do?
Things are changing.
I have to do so much and there'sall this information out there
and you want to go like on theattack.
It's the exact opposite.
Calm everything down, calmeverything down from the inside,
calm it all down from theoutside and give everything a
break.
(40:49):
integrate slowly one at a time.
That's really our biggestmessage here is, you know,
you'll be surprised once youbaby your skin rather than beat
it up.
It's going to baby you back.
Susan Gerdeman (41:04):
Yeah, I agree.
You know, I think that it's,that is probably the biggest
takeaway from this episode foranyone, you know, beauty is
meant to enrich.
Beauty is meant to heal.
Beauty is meant to make you feelgood.
It's not about.
beating yourself up.
It's not about overdoing.
It's not, it's always, we alwayswant to like do too much.
(41:26):
And if it's the one lesson I cansay before you, you know, put
that makeup on in the morning,just breathe, think about it,
then go forward.
Right.
And I guess that's a goodanalogy for life, right?
Think before you put the glosson.
Right.
Hillary Clark-Mina (41:44):
I love it.
I love it.
I'm excited.
I'm sending this one to you.
I'm excited to have fun.
I'm so
Susan Gerdeman (41:50):
excited to try that.
Thank you for thinking of me andsending it to me.
Of course.
I can't wait to show you guys mycontraption on our next episode.
Oh my god.
Stay tuned for the contraption.
What are we talking about nexttime, Susan?
Wait, Hill, we just had a wholeepisode on less is more and
breathe and be natural and antiinflammatory.
(42:11):
And then you're showing likestraps and things that you're
doing to yourself.
I have problems.
I don't
Hillary Clark-Mina (42:15):
know what's happening.
I'm a curious mind.
I am still a working makeupartist, so I need to know these
things.
Okay, well, yeah.
I know.
I mean, we'll just Listen,you're gonna get it all here,
okay?
If anybody
Susan Gerdeman (42:27):
out there ever wants a, a little human guinea
pig, Hillary's your girl.
She'll, she'll give it a go forsure.
She'll try it.
Uh, I have to stay informed forthe people.
You really do.
You have to stay informed forme, so that I can call you and
say, Hey, why don't you trythis, Hill?
Yeah, that's a good idea.
(42:48):
But you
Hillary Clark-Mina (42:49):
stick your finger in the light.
Yeah, why
Susan Gerdeman (42:51):
don't
Hillary Clark-Mina (42:51):
you stick your finger in the socket?
Can you imagine?
Yeah.
If we were sisters for real, Iwould have been getting like, I
don't know if I would have madeit.
You would have been just doingit to see if you could get me to
do it and laugh.
Susan Gerdeman (43:04):
Pretty much.
You would have been the onealways in a time out and I would
have been standing in the cornergoing, yeah, big sister, little
sister.
What can I tell you?
So yes, until next week, myfriends.
Stay healthy,
Hillary Clark-Mina (43:20):
but go check us out Instagram at Life Gloss
Podcast.
We love it when you follow usthere.
It allows us to keep this going.
Tell your friends, tell yourfamily, we have some incredible
stuff coming up through theholiday season.
Lots of really good guests.
(43:40):
Keep your questions comingbecause we do book guests
according to what you want tosee and we answer all of your
questions.
So at Life Gloss Podcast.
So as always, Susan, I'm goingto keep you glossy.
I'm going to send me
Susan Gerdeman (43:54):
glossy friend.
Send it my way.
Stay glossy.
Stay glossy, Susan.
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