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Rashia (00:00):
Recovering perfectionist.
Susan (00:01):
Oh
Rashia (00:02):
received
Susan (00:02):
know, right?
Yeah.
I'm such a recoveringperfectionist.
You have no idea.
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:06):
And it's a journey
Rashia (00:08):
that it
Susan (00:09):
it's the worst.
Rashia (00:10):
that It
Susan (00:11):
I try not to pass it on to my kids, but I think my
daughter has it, so we'reworking on it.
Rashia (00:15):
hard.
Hillary Clark-Min (00:16):
Perfectionist in recovery.
Susan (00:18):
Yeah.
we really are.
I know for,
Rashia (00:20):
so much of my journey, for sure.
Susan (00:25):
Well, we're gonna talk about your journey.
In fact, I'm gonna embarrass youa little bit now and I'm gonna
just take a little bit outtayour
Rashia (00:31):
Yeah,
Susan (00:32):
can know a little bit about who the.
Rashia you.
You just, your energy is justit.
You radiate and I am definitelya moth to a flame, people like
that.
So I knew that we had to haveyou on to talk.
So
Rashia (00:47):
so
Susan (00:47):
Rashia Bell, you are the co-founder of the Crystalline
and Re-Vityl.
are an energetic interiordesigner.
A crystal healer, somaticmovement, body work practitioner
and luxury spa and hotelconsultant.
has over 15 years in thewellness space.
(01:09):
She also started out as aprofessional.
Ballerina, you recently broughtin Re-Vityl, which we wanna know
more about and our listenersdefinitely wanna know more
about, which is a holisticluxury sleep company.
You attended FIT, the New YorkSchool of Interior Design.
you are currently in.
(01:30):
but you are also currently theresident healer and meditation
master with the Four Seasons inPhiladelphia.
Yay, New York City.
You're, we can find youeverywhere from Costa Rica to
Hawaii, helping thousands ofpeople find inner peace as well
as new ways to heal.
(01:51):
So.
really wanted to have you on,and when I talked about you to
Hillary, she agreed because wetalk a lot on life, gloss about
beauty on the outside, Hillaryand I both have an invested
interest and passion for beautyon the inside, A deep dive with
you today.
Rashia (02:10):
I
Susan (02:10):
So welcome.
Rashia (02:11):
Thank
Hillary Clark-Mina (02:11):
Welcome.
Rashia (02:12):
for having
Hillary Clark-Mina (02:13):
We're thrilled.
We can't wait to hear more.
Rashia (02:15):
It.
Susan (02:16):
it really is.
Rashia (02:16):
for sure.
Susan (02:20):
yeah.
Hillary Clark-Mina (02:20):
So tell us,
Susan (02:21):
there.
Hillary Clark-Mina (02:22):
How did you go from dance to holistic
healing and holistic health?
Rashia (02:28):
Yeah, well there were definitely about 10 other things
probably in between that.
So it wasn't a direct route.
But I started ballet at the ageof two.
I started training with thePennsylvania Ballet at the age
of five.
And my, trajectory and thediscipline that, instills within
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you, I think probably also kindof leads to a lot of the
versatility that I've had withinmy career.
But, my dancing career wasunfortunately cut short because
I was injured.
I stress fractured my back.
And so while I always knew thatI, the plan was to go to New
York City and the plan was todance also, you know, college
(03:13):
was always on the roadmap aswell, especially since dancing
has such a short lifespan.
So I knew I wanted to be in NewYork City, and I knew that I
always had an.
Interest in fashion and luxuryand things like that.
So the original plan was to kindof pursue those simultaneously.
it, deviated obviously tofocusing, a bit more on the non
(03:35):
dancing career pursuits.
ultimately what really led meto.
the holistic work that I do nowis, healing, from the trauma of
the loss of a career that isbuilt from a true passion, a
career that also is somethingthat not everybody can do.
When you talk about dancing orballet in particular.
(03:57):
And so.
There really was a grievingprocess that took place over the
course of sort of years intrying to figure out what would
sort of fill that void or fillthat space.
and I never felt like the jobsthat I had were sort of doing
that.
And, you know, I, I was verylucky.
My career in New York City, sortof within luxury, started off
(04:18):
within jewelry.
I worked for Mikimoto.
And that almost was the seedthat was planted in this feature
sort of holistic life in the waythat I work with stones and in
the way that I work with energyin particular as a crystal
healer.
you were sort of getting thosecues and clues, but you weren't
really sure exactly how theywere to take shape.
I knew at that point I wasn't.
(04:40):
to be a jewelry designer.
And so I became a cosmeticbuyer, which is something that I
did for about 10 years, workingwith various companies.
But I always really enjoyedbeing around product.
I loved, being in thatconception phase.
I loved being in that creatorrole and sort of seeing products
and things come to fruition.
(05:02):
so, I also knew that I wanted towork for myself.
when I decided to go back toschool to become an interior
designer, it was really that.
Immediately when I finished, youknow, by simultaneously working
and being in school, the economycRashia, reentered a recession.
And I felt like, oh, here youare at this like juxtaposition
(05:23):
again where life sort of isn'tworking out as planned.
Right?
And, and I think sort of havinggone through that a couple of
times, that's what's really setme sort of head first into sort
of an, an inner journey andreally exploring a multitude of
things and.
It really started off from thevantage point of, of sort of
(05:45):
working through those thingsmyself, whether it was through
therapy or life coaching orsomatic work, which I wouldn't
necessarily advise for everyonebecause it can be pretty
intense.
but that was my, particularapproach.
And then that unearthed, Myinterest in stones that I had
when I was even working injewelry and wanting to think
about other ways that I couldincorporate them.
(06:06):
So I started to think about howI could piece them together from
an energetic perspective.
When we talk about design andspaces and how they make people
feel, which also kind of led meto getting to work one-on-one
with clients and reallyrealizing that understanding
what was happening with theirenergy is, a beautiful way for
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understanding the type of spacethat you need to create for
them.
But then has sort of, yeah, justpermeated into this world where
I've been able to have all thesedifferent touch points of ways
to connect with people andenergy.
Both be it one-on-one or withintheir spaces.
that's the abridged version ofthe nine lives that have lived.
Susan (06:49):
You know what I love about this as I'm listening to
you talk through this.
The first thing is I think aswomen, we often talk about how
we reinvented ourselves, right?
There seems to be a big thingnow, like, oh, we're reinventing
ourselves, or, we're older now,or We're gonna do this now.
You didn't.
You evolved.
(07:10):
That's number one.
Number two.
You listened.
You listened to your innervoice, you listened to the
signs, right?
You saw them, but you listenedand you paid attention because
your story just, it was likeeverything just connected, you
know, from what was maybesomething that you thought, you
(07:34):
know, that grieving process,which I wanna talk more about.
Going through an injury and thenhaving to change your
trajectory.
And you know, that's evolving,
Hillary Clark-Mina (07:43):
Right.
Susan (07:43):
And I think that is such a beautiful thing.
And I just, I love how youreally listened to yourself.
You honored yourself.
You sort of said, know, I don'tneed to reinvent myself.
I just need to pay attention toall these signs.
And there set forth your wholeentire career and it all just
makes sense.
Do you know what I mean?
Rashia (08:06):
I was just gonna say, you know, I think of course when
you're in the thick of it, itdoesn't feel that way.
Right.
Susan (08:11):
Right.
Rashia (08:11):
going against.
You know, everything thatperhaps seems logical, right?
but yes, I think ultimately, youknow, as I got older, you know,
I'm someone that's always beenreally tapped into my intuition
and, it's hard for me to kind ofturn the volume down on that.
And so I found that when Istopped resisting.
(08:34):
Against that honestly that isexactly like you said when
things started to sort of findthat flow.
And started to find the waysthat they just naturally began
to link together without me kindof having to force it.
But I definitely didn't knowthat I saw it from that vantage
point for sure.
in the moment.
Hillary Clark-Mina (08:52):
It's so interesting.
I think that your message willreally strike a note with people
that might feel like.
They've had a loss of a failure.
'cause it's not always aninjury.
Sometimes, you know, we identifylosses that we don't have
control over or we do, and wejust say, well, if it's changed
(09:14):
and it wasn't this big,magnificent exit, it was a
failure.
And it's not always that way.
You know, these are transitionsand they can be blessings and
they can be hardships.
And I think that maybe this hasprobably stopped a few people
that were expecting this to be afluffy healing crystal sort of
(09:35):
an episode to, pause if they'relistening in their cars, turn it
up and pay more attention.
Or if they're at home, maybe.
Buckle up and say, whoa, this isgoing much deeper than I
thought.
So thank you for going rightthere with us.
Rashia (09:49):
No, I appreciate that and I can share that, you know,
as a sort of very groundedCapricorn energy person that
always sort of had this bar, youknow, essentially that they were
chasing for themself, I ahundred percent perceive them as
failures in the moment.
And then you start to kind ofpiece together, you know, why is
(10:09):
there this sort of reoccurringtheme, right?
and yes, of course there are alot of things that were out of
my control.
I didn't know that I was gonnaget injured.
I didn't know I was gonna havethe loss of a parent.
I didn't know, a recession wasgonna happen.
But ultimately I think when youcan move away from that sort of
mindset, that really is whereyou do start to find kind of
(10:32):
that ease.
life.
Let me try the thing that Ihaven't tried, which essentially
was let me release the controland release the thought that
things had to be this specificway.
because you didn't achieve thatyou're destined to continue to
follow that.
And so maybe it comes from alittle bit of stubbornness as
(10:55):
well.
But it definitely took me alittle bit of time to get to
that place.
Like, okay, I'm gonna try.
The one thing that I haven'tdone is to surrender
essentially.
Hillary Clark-Mina (11:06):
There's a lot to be said,
Susan (11:07):
I think you,
Hillary Clark-Min (11:08):
surrendering.
Susan (11:10):
Yeah.
And you talked about, you know,grief.
And we often think about,especially as we get older,
right, because this is ourlistener, right?
We're we're older womenlistening predominantly.
Rashia (11:20):
Mm-hmm.
Susan (11:20):
this is our listener.
And I've learned as I've gottenolder, and I don't know how you
all feel about this, but as I'vegotten older, I've learned grief
is really such a powerful toolthat is.
In many ways, very positive itdoes open us up to knowing new
possibilities.
Right.
(11:41):
And when we grieve something, itdoesn't have to be in sadness
like we've all set out in ourlives with different things.
You know, I was supposed to be,a very famous actress by now,
right.
So with millions of fans aroundthe world.
And there comes a point in yourlife where you do look back and
(12:03):
that's one of the gifts ofgetting older, right?
And you look back and you say, Ido need to come to peace with
it.
Come to peace with it.
Grieve it, let it go, whateveryou wanna call it.
But it's not a bad thing.
It's like you have to say, youknow what?
That didn't happen for me.
But you know what did happen forme?
This happened for me and thathappened for me and that path.
(12:26):
And so I think that sometimes weget stuck in our own way because
we're busy grieving incorrectly.
You offer so many services, andwe've talked about this off
camera and, you know, sound baththe, the, you know, coming to
someone's home and actuallyinstalling crystals in their
floors doing one-on-one clientwork.
(12:48):
I mean, you do so much in theworld of healing and wellness.
Do you have a favorite.
Aspect of that that you likedoing?
Is there something that you'relike, I love everything that I
do and I really enjoy thisaspect of what I do, especially
with the crystalline.
Rashia (13:04):
Yeah.
You know, that's such a greatquestion and I think it's so
hard to answer'cause I do feellike I kind of am that person
that has kind of those multiplepersonalities in the sense and
likes to kind of obviously havetheir hands in a few things.
Life would probably be a lotsimpler I think for me,
honestly, like the favoritething is the connection and so
(13:27):
the connection to the clientsthat I have, and so I think it's
less about the specific servicethat I'm providing for them.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it'sfun to just like bring the magic
and bring the crystals and youknow, I'm gonna show up at your
house with 10,000 pounds ofstones and we're gonna install
them in the bottom of yourswimming pool how could that not
be fun?
Susan (13:48):
Oh my God.
I can't wait to do that one daywith you,
Rashia (13:50):
I would love,
Susan (13:50):
can't wait.
Rashia (13:52):
but no, I think it's really like through those
various service, theconnections, the relationships
that you form and really sort ofbeing able to be a conduit for
someone's energetic expression.
so for some people, that happensin a really powerful way, in a
one-on-one healing experience.
You know, I'm also a birth doulanow, so sometimes it's
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literally, being there, when ababy is born, which is just, of
course, pure magic.
and how you're able to supportand hold space for people in
that way.
So.
And so yeah, other times it'sgetting to be creative and being
able to design the crystaljewelry or whatever that may be.
And so I feel really lucky thatI get to wear so many different
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hats that can really interactand resonate with people in a
lot of different ways.
Susan (14:40):
It's so cool.
Hillary Clark-Mina (14:41):
Do you find it common that your client path,
and this is sort of off topic,but I would imagine that if I
were staying at the Four Seasonsand I was lucky enough to
schedule something with you andhad an experience with you, then
I would, I'd wanna bring youhome to, you know, take a look
at my environment.
(15:01):
If I were having a child, I'dwant you to be involved in that.
So do you find that, you know,you have this.
Keep first touch point with aclient and then you become more
and more engaged in their lifeas they go through different
phases.
It seems natural.
Rashia (15:16):
Yes.
Yes, a hundred percent.
And sometimes it's not clear atthat first.
Point of
Hillary Clark-Mina (15:22):
I.
Rashia (15:23):
you know, what the ripple effect will be.
And sometimes that process isover the course of years.
I have a client that, I firstmet almost 10 years ago when she
started buying products for meand then was interested in
coming on wellness retreats thatI was doing, and then now is
like, Hey, I'm creating abeautiful.
Yoga space and I'm ready for youto come in and work your crystal
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magic.
So I think the entry points canbe sort of really different, but
I think what's really beautifulis sort of the ripple effects
that you have and I thinkthat's.
The lovely thing is how you cansort of support clients, as they
move through their ownevolution, right?
and that's kind of exactly whatyou shared in the beginning.
It's being the common thread.
(16:07):
So it's nice to weave that intoother people's lives as well.
Susan (16:14):
I love that.
Working with someone, maybehelping them give birth, and
then all of a sudden you'relike, you know, laying crystals
in the child's room or thenursery, and then that couple
goes on a retreat and you seethem there.
I love that you have so manydifferent points of connection
that you can make because you dooffer so many different services
and you get to work at suchamazing properties.
Rashia (16:36):
Yes.
Susan (16:36):
stayed at many of the properties that you have worked
at.
Hopefully in the future it'll beat the same time that you're
there.
And we'll make that happen.
Do you have a favorite, I won'tsay a favorite property, because
you do work with so manydifferent properties and we
wouldn't want to say you have afavorite, but is there a place
that you work, so not the actualcompany or the property, but is
(16:56):
there a place.
Geographically that you reallyare drawn to more than another.
I mean, I know you go to so manyincredible places, but is there
one that you're like, really,really, really, really love it
there.
Rashia (17:09):
sure.
You know, I think
Susan (17:11):
I.
Rashia (17:12):
One of the places that was such sort of a really
pivotal part in my own healingjourney.
and also in, when I firststarted hosting my own retreats
was being in Colombia.
And I actually even lived therein Meine for about a year and a
half.
But I've found that there's likethis common thread and more
recently now I've been spending.
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A lot of time in Costa Rica.
And so for me in particular, thethread that sort of weaves
between them are these placesthat are sort of rich in this
volcanic energy.
And there's no surprise that Ilive in Hawaii because that is
one of those.
So for me, there's somethingabout regions that have that
energy of that particular land.
(17:55):
Volcanic energy is energy oftransformation.
There's a reason why I called myretreat, sort of tropical
transformation.
'cause I felt like that was theywere really promoting.
And so I think when we're inspaces and beautiful places that
have that energy those are theones that really feel most
resonant for me.
And those are the ones I think,ultimately, that I see within my
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clients that, they're able toreally tap into that resonance
in such a lovely way.
Susan (18:24):
That's so interesting.
Hillary Clark-Mina (18:26):
And when you talk, we've talked a lot
about crystals and it's a keypart.
Clearly it, it's important foryou.
It's a cornerstone for.
So much of what you do, I'd loveto learn more about your
relationship with crystals andthe crystalline training that
you receive.
So for anyone listening that youknow is new to this, what are we
(18:46):
talking about?
Rashia (18:48):
Yeah, for sure.
Hillary Clark-Mina (18:49):
I.
Rashia (18:49):
With, for me, crystals and working with mineral energy
are about a resonance withnature.
And so I think when we live inthese cities, oftentimes we find
ourselves devoid in that, right?
That's why we go on the retreator you know, that's why we're
like, get me to the mountains soI can, just breathe that fresh
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air.
And so when working with stones,for me, I think having something
that's tactile.
just a really beautiful reminderof your connection to
mindfulness and your connectionto nature.
all ancient civilizations hadhad stones that they really
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revered for their energeticproperties.
So I think I, you know, I alsosort of always impart like this
isn't just something new andtrendy because everyone's into
yoga and Pilates and like allthe things.
this is something that, ourancestors resonated with, right?
So for me, it's also aconnection to history.
it's a connection to thelineages that exist sort of
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within nature.
But ultimately minerals holddifferent energies just on based
on how they're created by theearth.
And so if you're talking about,you talked about transformation
and that sort of volcanic energyand obsidian is a stone that
comes from that, gonna have avery different energy, than
something that you find in theArctic circle.
(20:15):
Right.
Just sort of in how the earthbirthed it.
And so I think when we reallylook to these things, whether
it's the stones that we'rewearing in our jewelry, which is
really a beautiful reminder ofthat connection to the energy
that we can have when we wearcertain pieces.
But we can also bring them intoour spaces.
We can also have them as thosevisual reminders, right?
(20:37):
If you're someone that perceivesthem as beauty then you can
treat them the same way that youdo as art, but also you're
having that frequency of nature.
Within your space and so.
when I sort of set out tointegrate them into my interior
design, there wasn't a place togo to for that.
There wasn't a formula, therewasn't, you know, we of course
(21:00):
are familiar with feng shui whenwe talk about interior design
and spaces and ways that we canlook at energy.
And stones are a beautiful partof that as well.
Also in traditional East Indianculture, vast shastra stones are
also a part of their sort oforganic planning to how you
think about spaces.
So there's also history sort ofwithin that there, but there
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wasn't a school, there wasn't aplace to see how you can
incorporate that and merge itwith interior design.
And so I just set out initiallyto really learn about stones.
I had, a chance encounter whereI had just come back from the
GEM shows and I was in LA and Ihad heard about a beautiful
showroom there that used to bethere called Place eight
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Healing.
And, the founder was launching ajewelry line.
And so I was sharing with hersome of my background and
jewelry and she's like.
If you really wanna learn aboutstone energy, here's who you
should study with.
And she recommended KatrinaRaphael, who has, has written
many books on the crystalhealing sort of dating back to
(22:04):
the seventies.
But she has a school called theCrystal Academy for Advanced
Healing Arts.
and so with that information, Isaid, okay, I'm gonna learn
about that.
And so over the course of about10 years, I did three trainings
with them.
Obviously, you have to have alot of one-on-one practicum
work.
as you're evolving throughoutthat.
(22:26):
And so that really gave me thefoundation to learn about
stones, to learn about theirenergy, to learn about how
individual's energy can resonatewith that.
And then from that point, I tookit upon myself to see how to
work with it in spaces.
And it's really kind of justbeen this organic thing really
over the past 10 plus years.
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And because every individual'senergy is different.
So even though you sort of havea loose template for, oh, okay,
this stone is calming, how oneperson connects to that energy
is gonna be very different.
Susan (22:58):
Right.
Rashia (22:59):
about that
Susan (23:00):
Yeah.
Rashia (23:00):
is a constant learning process.
Susan (23:03):
Specifically as a medium, you know, hold so much energy
and so much power.
But you know, so many of ourlisteners have heard, oh, you
know, use amethyst for this oruse, you know this for that.
But it is so personal to yourpoint, like how you respond, how
you respond to turquoise isgonna be very different than how
I respond to turquoise or, youknow, lapis.
Or we could go on and on and on.
(23:24):
but thinking about that, if youhad to generalize, just
generally thinking for some ofour listeners that are out there
right now and thinking tothemselves, you know, I know a
little bit about maybe I wannaget a gif for myself or do
something, you know, is there asort of crystal that.
woman over the age of 40 orwomen going through menopause or
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going through transition is forour listeners out there.
Is there a particular crystal ora couple of different crystals
that you would recommend wouldbe a good place to start if
they're interested beforereaching out and finding you?
Rashia (23:58):
I think there really are kind of two camps that feel
most resonant, especially withinthis hectic, hyper technological
focused world that we live intoday.
And I think those are stonesthat are for clearing energy and
stones that are for grounding.
Because I find we're either onone side of it.
Either we're like super sluggishand we're feeling heavy, and we
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don't wanna get out of bed orour mind is spinning and racing
and we just can't ground becausewe're 10 steps ahead of
everything and we can't justshut off.
Or, we're glued to these devicesand things like that.
Exactly, or both.
Right.
You know, and I think, we likevacillate between that
Throughout the day where we canreally feel that in any moment.
And especially when you'retalking, women of a certain age
(24:42):
and perimenopause menopause,you're going through that like
full, full spectrum.
Hillary Clark-Mina (24:49):
Right.
Rashia (24:49):
I think definitely when you talk about grounding stones,
like black tourmaline likeobsidian that I mentioned, like
smoky quartz, the common themewith them, they also are gonna
be your darker colored stones.
Tend to have a bit more denserenergy, tend to have energy that
has the ability to transmutealso, To absorb some of those
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electromagnetic frequencies andthings because a lot of times
that's what's really affectingus.
it's, that we're glued to thistech 24 7.
so on the grounding sort ofcamp, those are stones that I
would recommend and they're alsoreally useful when we're feeling
anxious.
When we're feeling overwhelmed,when we need to just kind of
settle our energy.
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And then on the flip side, whenwe're feeling like super low
energy and super heavy, stonesto think about when we're
clearing energy or for clearingspaces.
And so your clear cords, yourselenite is one of my favorite
stones because it's a salt basedstone.
So it's sort of giving that sameeffect that we feel when we're
in the ocean, when we're in saltwater.
(25:51):
You know, when you're just ableto kind of float and sort of
have that weight kind of takenoff of you.
Like selenite is sort of theenergetic car wash crystal as I
like, to call it in that it,
Hillary Clark-Mina (26:03):
Writing this down.
Rashia (26:04):
energy as well,
Hillary Clark-Mina (26:08):
Interesting.
What about something like acitrine or like a labradorite?
Do those count as likeopposites?
Like the labradorite would bedarker and.
Rashia (26:18):
not quite, your citrine is gonna be energy activating.
So you know, that's for your4:00 PM when you wanna reach for
that coffee your, or you wannaspark creativity.
Citrine aligns with the solarplexus energy.
So it's very much about kind oflike balancing those systems.
So on those extremes, That sparkplug, that jumpstart.
(26:39):
When you look to your sort ofgolden energy stones labradorite
is a highly intuitive stone thatthat one can take on a lot of
different energies.
It's the stone of sort of magic.
Especially in all of thosebeautiful colors that you see
within it, it's sort of like inthe eye of the beholder, right?
and what you sort of observe.
And so for some people that canbe really beautiful for sort of
(27:02):
dream work.
In particular when you'resleeping.
For others that could be like.
already have like highly activedreams and I don't need anything
to make them even more active.
I'm already like not gettingrestful sleep, so.
To that point in what we saidearlier, it's so unique to the
individual.
You know, some people sleep likebaby with amethyst on their
(27:24):
nightstand.
Other people, it's like the mostdisruptive, thing to have in
your room.
And so what I always like toshare is it's a process of trial
and error, you know, andespecially within spaces when
you're thinking about where youput them, how you use certain
stones.
Move them around.
Move them throughout your home,see if there's a better place
(27:45):
for it, that resonates for you.
Don't be fixated on, oh, it'sthe stone for this thing.
Like, I have to have it herebecause it's gonna really be
unique to each person.
Susan (27:56):
Yeah.
And you brought up sleep, youknow and I, and I wanted to,
while we have you for this time,I do wanna talk about Re-Vityl
because when we first met at ourmutual friend Natasha's house I
was so intrigued by this newcompany that you have going on
that really is focused on thefine art of sleep and how
(28:19):
important sleep is.
Believe me, it's something thatis in my house.
So, yes, sleep.
So tell us about Re-Vityl.
Rashia (28:28):
Yeah, I mean, it was birthed from really a place of
myself being someone that alwaysrequires a lot of sleep and not
quite always getting that andhow to kind of make that as
quality of a sleep as possible.
My business partner Eva Vic, isa mom, and so at the time when
(28:48):
we launched, she had very youngchildren and so she was going
through that phase of notsleeping.
Both of us were avid travelers,We talked a little about, the
amount of time, within the yearthat I spend in hotels is quite
a bit.
And so initially it was reallyfrom the vantage point of
thinking about how can wesupport people sort of during
travel?
But in the lead up to sort oflaunching the brand, COVID
(29:09):
happened and nobody wastraveling, but also no one was
sleeping.
And so that really created aunique opportunity when you
really talk about energy and howyou can sort of improve your
sleep.
And so our hero product is asleep mask that actually has
that crystalline of it.
It has an insert.
(29:30):
And so tourmaline, as I talkedabout, acts as that grounding
energy zone.
And so it sort of function as,as like that energetic weighted
blanket, for you when you'resleeping.
And so you know, with mybackground and beauty, my
partner's background also in.
Luxury and cosmetics.
We wanted to really create aholistic sleep brand that
(29:51):
wasn't, you know, built ontaking the meds and the pills
and all the things.
And that really talked to asleep ritual.
so the sleep masks sort ofaccented by organic body care
and essential oils that havereally been crafted and blended
to sort of support.
Your sleep journey.
But when we talk about sleep,you know, it affects obviously
(30:13):
our full day.
and really Re-Vityl was createdfrom, you know, this essentially
how can we Re-Vitylize ourselvesthrough our sleep and have those
ripple effects, all day long.
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:27):
Sign me up immediately.
Rashia (30:31):
Yes.
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:31):
we're gonna send a link.
We're gonna place a link sopeople can find all of your
delightful things so
Rashia (30:38):
and
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:38):
they can find,
Rashia (30:39):
a little code for, for listeners to
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:42):
oh,
Rashia (30:43):
Courtesy of you guys.
Susan (30:44):
Oh, that would be wonderful.
I know our listeners would lovethat because they will
definitely, after listening tothis episode, wanna go on and
see how they can find you
Rashia (30:53):
yes.
Susan (30:53):
a person and all your services where in the world is
Rashiaia, right?
these are, you know, they allspeak to the different facets of
who you are, the healing, thewellness, the sleep.
These are all.
All things that are a part ofbeauty that we all need.
It's not just external, it's,it's all starts with the inside
first.
Right?
Rashia (31:13):
No.
Anyone that's sort of, you know,evolving on their own journey,
you know, it is that reminderof, of look to yourself first.
Look to, you know.
Your own needs.
Look to what's important to you.
(31:33):
Where are the gaps, you know,kind of within where you can't
find perhaps the products that,that you are seeking out.
Because I think that can be orthe experiences as well.
I think that can be just areally yeah, unique launching
point for not only creatingsomething that serves you, but
creating something that'sauthentic.
And when you start from thatplace.
(31:56):
People are gonna naturallyresonate
Susan (31:58):
So where can people find you?
Where are you next?
Rashia (32:01):
you know, it changes by the day and it will probably be
very different depending on whenthis actually airs.
But I split my time between sortof east and west coast.
When I'm on the East Coast, it'sPhiladelphia and New York, so if
you do sign up for thecrystalline newsletter, I always
notify everyone, when I'mpassing through and kind of when
(32:22):
I'm making rounds throughcities, be it Miami or la.
yes.
My hotel residencies or retreatsor things are planned a little
bit further out.
So we're working on next year'sschedule already.
But some fun, exotic places tocome for sure.
Susan (32:40):
Oh, I'm so.
Hillary Clark-Mina (32:42):
Definitely let me know when you're in Los
Angeles,
Rashia (32:46):
I definitely will for
Hillary Clark-Mina (32:47):
that would be wonderful.
Rashia (32:49):
I would love
Susan (32:49):
Yes, and I have to come in and see you at the, you know,
shout out to Four Seasons inPhilly.
Rashia (32:56):
that.
Susan (32:58):
Honestly I was actually at the Four Seasons downtown New
York on my birthday in March forMassage.
That was also excellent.
But I have to tell you, ifanyone listening is a Four
Seasons junkie as much as I am Iwill tell.
I will tell you.
Hillary Clark-Mina (33:14):
Yes.
Susan (33:15):
We know that.
But
Hillary Clark-Mina (33:16):
Yeah.
Susan (33:16):
tell you.
That the Four Seasons in Philly,I think Bethany Frankel just
said it's the most beautifulhotel she's ever seen.
And I have to tell you guys, theFour Seasons in Philly worth a
trip to Philly.
Rashia (33:31):
so
Susan (33:32):
right?
Rashia (33:32):
Philadelphia
Susan (33:33):
right.
Rashia (33:34):
Had the pleasure of them allowing me to be in there
with a hard hat duringconstruction and installing
crystals into the walls of thetreatment rooms and the spa,
Had, was really just such ahighlight in my career and also
my tie to the city and the storyand, to have a part in every
little treatment at the spa, beit the crystals that the guests
(33:55):
get or that they get when theycheck out of the hotel
Susan (33:58):
Yeah.
Rashia (33:59):
So it, it's fun always when friends are there and get
to discover it as well.
Susan (34:03):
I
Rashia (34:03):
a
Susan (34:04):
You there
Rashia (34:04):
that one has like a special, special place in my
heart for sure.
Susan (34:09):
it really is.
Yeah.
Because you know when I was,when I was there, I was like,
oh, she's with me.
She's with me right now.
it was so nice.
Rashia (34:19):
I
Susan (34:19):
Yeah.
it's really magnificent.
I mean, of course the FourSeasons in Maui, we, you know,
we could go on,
Rashia (34:24):
yeah,
Susan (34:25):
and I honeymooned at the Four Seasons on the big island.
Rashia (34:28):
I
Susan (34:29):
so shout out to Four Seasons.
Hillary Clark-Mina (34:30):
Oh love.
Rashia (34:32):
Yeah.
Susan (34:32):
They're pretty fantastic.
So, well Rashiaia, we could talkto you forever, so you're gonna
have to come back on.
Rashia (34:39):
happy to.
Susan (34:40):
if
Rashia (34:40):
so much fun.
Susan (34:41):
love to have you back on
Rashia (34:42):
appreciate you
Susan (34:43):
more about what you're doing.
Hillary Clark-Mina (34:45):
Yeah, maybe we could even sneak, some behind
the scenes IRL with you whenyou're doing an installation
that we would be allowed to see
Rashia (34:54):
Yeah, I will
Hillary Clark-Mina (34:55):
So maybe people can really see you in
action with everything aroundyou and really we can see a
little glimpse into the magicthat you create.
Rashia (35:07):
Yes.
No, we'll definitely keep youposted
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:10):
Okay.
Rashia (35:10):
know that next time I'm in the city I can maybe pop by
the
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:15):
Love it.
Rashia (35:15):
and Show you a little bit about what a crystal healing
experience is like.
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:20):
Yeah,
Susan (35:20):
And
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:20):
we love it.
Susan (35:22):
I'm coming to Costa Rica next time too,
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:24):
too.
Rashia (35:25):
I know,
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:26):
See you there.
Rashia (35:27):
I know.
Susan (35:27):
we.
Rashia (35:27):
me as well and now there's like a wait list,
Susan (35:32):
I bet there's a wait list.
Rashia (35:33):
come visit me.
Susan (35:35):
Yes.
you let us know where you areand we will be there for sure.
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:41):
That's right.
Rashia (35:43):
Look
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:43):
you.
Rashia (35:44):
Thank you so much.
Susan (35:45):
thank you so much, Rashiaia.
Thank you for being here.
Recovering perfectionist.
Susan (00:01):
Oh
Rashia (00:02):
received
Susan (00:02):
know, right?
Yeah.
I'm such a recoveringperfectionist.
You have no idea.
Hillary Clark-Mina (00:06):
And it's a journey
Rashia (00:08):
that it
Susan (00:09):
it's the worst.
Rashia (00:10):
that It
Susan (00:11):
I try not to pass it on to my kids, but I think my
daughter has it, so we'reworking on it.
Rashia (00:15):
hard.
Hillary Clark-Min (00:16):
Perfectionist in recovery.
Susan (00:18):
Yeah.
we really are.
I know for,
Rashia (00:20):
so much of my journey, for sure.
Susan (00:25):
Well, we're gonna talk about your journey.
In fact, I'm gonna embarrass youa little bit now and I'm gonna
just take a little bit outtayour
Rashia (00:31):
Yeah,
Susan (00:32):
can know a little bit about who the.
Rashia you.
You just, your energy is justit.
You radiate and I am definitelya moth to a flame, people like
that.
So I knew that we had to haveyou on to talk.
So
Rashia (00:47):
so
Susan (00:47):
Rashia Bell, you are the co-founder of the Crystalline
and Re-Vityl.
are an energetic interiordesigner.
A crystal healer, somaticmovement, body work practitioner
and luxury spa and hotelconsultant.
has over 15 years in thewellness space.
(01:09):
She also started out as aprofessional.
Ballerina, you recently broughtin Re-Vityl, which we wanna know
more about and our listenersdefinitely wanna know more
about, which is a holisticluxury sleep company.
You attended FIT, the New YorkSchool of Interior Design.
you are currently in.
(01:30):
but you are also currently theresident healer and meditation
master with the Four Seasons inPhiladelphia.
Yay, New York City.
You're, we can find youeverywhere from Costa Rica to
Hawaii, helping thousands ofpeople find inner peace as well
as new ways to heal.
(01:51):
So.
really wanted to have you on,and when I talked about you to
Hillary, she agreed because wetalk a lot on life, gloss about
beauty on the outside, Hillaryand I both have an invested
interest and passion for beautyon the inside, A deep dive with
you today.
Rashia (02:10):
I
Susan (02:10):
So welcome.
Rashia (02:11):
Thank
Hillary Clark-Mina (02:11):
Welcome.
Rashia (02:12):
for having
Hillary Clark-Mina (02:13):
We're thrilled.
We can't wait to hear more.
Rashia (02:15):
It.
Susan (02:16):
it really is.
Rashia (02:16):
for sure.
Susan (02:20):
yeah.
Hillary Clark-Mina (02:20):
So tell us,
Susan (02:21):
there.
Hillary Clark-Mina (02:22):
How did you go from dance to holistic
healing and holistic health?
Rashia (02:28):
Yeah, well there were definitely about 10 other things
probably in between that.
So it wasn't a direct route.
But I started ballet at the ageof two.
I started training with thePennsylvania Ballet at the age
of five.
And my, trajectory and thediscipline that, instills within
(02:48):
you, I think probably also kindof leads to a lot of the
versatility that I've had withinmy career.
But, my dancing career wasunfortunately cut short because
I was injured.
I stress fractured my back.
And so while I always knew thatI, the plan was to go to New
York City and the plan was todance also, you know, college
(03:13):
was always on the roadmap aswell, especially since dancing
has such a short lifespan.
So I knew I wanted to be in NewYork City, and I knew that I
always had an.
Interest in fashion and luxuryand things like that.
So the original plan was to kindof pursue those simultaneously.
it, deviated obviously tofocusing, a bit more on the non
(03:35):
dancing career pursuits.
ultimately what really led meto.
the holistic work that I do nowis, healing, from the trauma of
the loss of a career that isbuilt from a true passion, a
career that also is somethingthat not everybody can do.
When you talk about dancing orballet in particular.
(03:57):
And so.
There really was a grievingprocess that took place over the
course of sort of years intrying to figure out what would
sort of fill that void or fillthat space.
and I never felt like the jobsthat I had were sort of doing
that.
And, you know, I, I was verylucky.
My career in New York City, sortof within luxury, started off
(04:18):
within jewelry.
I worked for Mikimoto.
And that almost was the seedthat was planted in this feature
sort of holistic life in the waythat I work with stones and in
the way that I work with energyin particular as a crystal
healer.
you were sort of getting thosecues and clues, but you weren't
really sure exactly how theywere to take shape.
I knew at that point I wasn't.
(04:40):
to be a jewelry designer.
And so I became a cosmeticbuyer, which is something that I
did for about 10 years, workingwith various companies.
But I always really enjoyedbeing around product.
I loved, being in thatconception phase.
I loved being in that creatorrole and sort of seeing products
and things come to fruition.
(05:02):
so, I also knew that I wanted towork for myself.
when I decided to go back toschool to become an interior
designer, it was really that.
Immediately when I finished, youknow, by simultaneously working
and being in school, the economycRashia, reentered a recession.
And I felt like, oh, here youare at this like juxtaposition
(05:23):
again where life sort of isn'tworking out as planned.
Right?
And, and I think sort of havinggone through that a couple of
times, that's what's really setme sort of head first into sort
of an, an inner journey andreally exploring a multitude of
things and.
It really started off from thevantage point of, of sort of
(05:45):
working through those thingsmyself, whether it was through
therapy or life coaching orsomatic work, which I wouldn't
necessarily advise for everyonebecause it can be pretty
intense.
but that was my, particularapproach.
And then that unearthed, Myinterest in stones that I had
when I was even working injewelry and wanting to think
about other ways that I couldincorporate them.
(06:06):
So I started to think about howI could piece them together from
an energetic perspective.
When we talk about design andspaces and how they make people
feel, which also kind of led meto getting to work one-on-one
with clients and reallyrealizing that understanding
what was happening with theirenergy is, a beautiful way for
(06:26):
understanding the type of spacethat you need to create for
them.
But then has sort of, yeah, justpermeated into this world where
I've been able to have all thesedifferent touch points of ways
to connect with people andenergy.
Both be it one-on-one or withintheir spaces.
that's the abridged version ofthe nine lives that have lived.
Susan (06:49):
You know what I love about this as I'm listening to
you talk through this.
The first thing is I think aswomen, we often talk about how
we reinvented ourselves, right?
There seems to be a big thingnow, like, oh, we're reinventing
ourselves, or, we're older now,or We're gonna do this now.
You didn't.
You evolved.
(07:10):
That's number one.
Number two.
You listened.
You listened to your innervoice, you listened to the
signs, right?
You saw them, but you listenedand you paid attention because
your story just, it was likeeverything just connected, you
know, from what was maybesomething that you thought, you
(07:34):
know, that grieving process,which I wanna talk more about.
Going through an injury and thenhaving to change your
trajectory.
And you know, that's evolving,
Hillary Clark-Mina (07:43):
Right.
Susan (07:43):
And I think that is such a beautiful thing.
And I just, I love how youreally listened to yourself.
You honored yourself.
You sort of said, know, I don'tneed to reinvent myself.
I just need to pay attention toall these signs.
And there set forth your wholeentire career and it all just
makes sense.
Do you know what I mean?
Rashia (08:06):
I was just gonna say, you know, I think of course when
you're in the thick of it, itdoesn't feel that way.
Right.
Susan (08:11):
Right.
Rashia (08:11):
going against.
You know, everything thatperhaps seems logical, right?
but yes, I think ultimately, youknow, as I got older, you know,
I'm someone that's always beenreally tapped into my intuition
and, it's hard for me to kind ofturn the volume down on that.
And so I found that when Istopped resisting.
(08:34):
Against that honestly that isexactly like you said when
things started to sort of findthat flow.
And started to find the waysthat they just naturally began
to link together without me kindof having to force it.
But I definitely didn't knowthat I saw it from that vantage
point for sure.
in the moment.
Hillary Clark-Mina (08:52):
It's so interesting.
I think that your message willreally strike a note with people
that might feel like.
They've had a loss of a failure.
'cause it's not always aninjury.
Sometimes, you know, we identifylosses that we don't have
control over or we do, and wejust say, well, if it's changed
(09:14):
and it wasn't this big,magnificent exit, it was a
failure.
And it's not always that way.
You know, these are transitionsand they can be blessings and
they can be hardships.
And I think that maybe this hasprobably stopped a few people
that were expecting this to be afluffy healing crystal sort of
(09:35):
an episode to, pause if they'relistening in their cars, turn it
up and pay more attention.
Or if they're at home, maybe.
Buckle up and say, whoa, this isgoing much deeper than I
thought.
So thank you for going rightthere with us.
Rashia (09:49):
No, I appreciate that and I can share that, you know,
as a sort of very groundedCapricorn energy person that
always sort of had this bar, youknow, essentially that they were
chasing for themself, I ahundred percent perceive them as
failures in the moment.
And then you start to kind ofpiece together, you know, why is
(10:09):
there this sort of reoccurringtheme, right?
and yes, of course there are alot of things that were out of
my control.
I didn't know that I was gonnaget injured.
I didn't know I was gonna havethe loss of a parent.
I didn't know, a recession wasgonna happen.
But ultimately I think when youcan move away from that sort of
mindset, that really is whereyou do start to find kind of
(10:32):
that ease.
life.
Let me try the thing that Ihaven't tried, which essentially
was let me release the controland release the thought that
things had to be this specificway.
because you didn't achieve thatyou're destined to continue to
follow that.
And so maybe it comes from alittle bit of stubbornness as
(10:55):
well.
But it definitely took me alittle bit of time to get to
that place.
Like, okay, I'm gonna try.
The one thing that I haven'tdone is to surrender
essentially.
Hillary Clark-Mina (11:06):
There's a lot to be said,
Susan (11:07):
I think you,
Hillary Clark-Min (11:08):
surrendering.
Susan (11:10):
Yeah.
And you talked about, you know,grief.
And we often think about,especially as we get older,
right, because this is ourlistener, right?
We're we're older womenlistening predominantly.
Rashia (11:20):
Mm-hmm.
Susan (11:20):
this is our listener.
And I've learned as I've gottenolder, and I don't know how you
all feel about this, but as I'vegotten older, I've learned grief
is really such a powerful toolthat is.
In many ways, very positive itdoes open us up to knowing new
possibilities.
Right.
(11:41):
And when we grieve something, itdoesn't have to be in sadness
like we've all set out in ourlives with different things.
You know, I was supposed to be,a very famous actress by now,
right.
So with millions of fans aroundthe world.
And there comes a point in yourlife where you do look back and
(12:03):
that's one of the gifts ofgetting older, right?
And you look back and you say, Ido need to come to peace with
it.
Come to peace with it.
Grieve it, let it go, whateveryou wanna call it.
But it's not a bad thing.
It's like you have to say, youknow what?
That didn't happen for me.
But you know what did happen forme?
This happened for me and thathappened for me and that path.
(12:26):
And so I think that sometimes weget stuck in our own way because
we're busy grieving incorrectly.
You offer so many services, andwe've talked about this off
camera and, you know, sound baththe, the, you know, coming to
someone's home and actuallyinstalling crystals in their
floors doing one-on-one clientwork.
(12:48):
I mean, you do so much in theworld of healing and wellness.
Do you have a favorite.
Aspect of that that you likedoing?
Is there something that you'relike, I love everything that I
do and I really enjoy thisaspect of what I do, especially
with the crystalline.
Rashia (13:04):
Yeah.
You know, that's such a greatquestion and I think it's so
hard to answer'cause I do feellike I kind of am that person
that has kind of those multiplepersonalities in the sense and
likes to kind of obviously havetheir hands in a few things.
Life would probably be a lotsimpler I think for me,
honestly, like the favoritething is the connection and so
(13:27):
the connection to the clientsthat I have, and so I think it's
less about the specific servicethat I'm providing for them.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it'sfun to just like bring the magic
and bring the crystals and youknow, I'm gonna show up at your
house with 10,000 pounds ofstones and we're gonna install
them in the bottom of yourswimming pool how could that not
be fun?
Susan (13:48):
Oh my God.
I can't wait to do that one daywith you,
Rashia (13:50):
I would love,
Susan (13:50):
can't wait.
Rashia (13:52):
but no, I think it's really like through those
various service, theconnections, the relationships
that you form and really sort ofbeing able to be a conduit for
someone's energetic expression.
so for some people, that happensin a really powerful way, in a
one-on-one healing experience.
You know, I'm also a birth doulanow, so sometimes it's
(14:12):
literally, being there, when ababy is born, which is just, of
course, pure magic.
and how you're able to supportand hold space for people in
that way.
So.
And so yeah, other times it'sgetting to be creative and being
able to design the crystaljewelry or whatever that may be.
And so I feel really lucky thatI get to wear so many different
(14:33):
hats that can really interactand resonate with people in a
lot of different ways.
Susan (14:40):
It's so cool.
Hillary Clark-Mina (14:41):
Do you find it common that your client path,
and this is sort of off topic,but I would imagine that if I
were staying at the Four Seasonsand I was lucky enough to
schedule something with you andhad an experience with you, then
I would, I'd wanna bring youhome to, you know, take a look
at my environment.
(15:01):
If I were having a child, I'dwant you to be involved in that.
So do you find that, you know,you have this.
Keep first touch point with aclient and then you become more
and more engaged in their lifeas they go through different
phases.
It seems natural.
Rashia (15:16):
Yes.
Yes, a hundred percent.
And sometimes it's not clear atthat first.
Point of
Hillary Clark-Mina (15:22):
I.
Rashia (15:23):
you know, what the ripple effect will be.
And sometimes that process isover the course of years.
I have a client that, I firstmet almost 10 years ago when she
started buying products for meand then was interested in
coming on wellness retreats thatI was doing, and then now is
like, Hey, I'm creating abeautiful.
Yoga space and I'm ready for youto come in and work your crystal
(15:46):
magic.
So I think the entry points canbe sort of really different, but
I think what's really beautifulis sort of the ripple effects
that you have and I thinkthat's.
The lovely thing is how you cansort of support clients, as they
move through their ownevolution, right?
and that's kind of exactly whatyou shared in the beginning.
It's being the common thread.
(16:07):
So it's nice to weave that intoother people's lives as well.
Susan (16:14):
I love that.
Working with someone, maybehelping them give birth, and
then all of a sudden you'relike, you know, laying crystals
in the child's room or thenursery, and then that couple
goes on a retreat and you seethem there.
I love that you have so manydifferent points of connection
that you can make because you dooffer so many different services
and you get to work at suchamazing properties.
Rashia (16:36):
Yes.
Susan (16:36):
stayed at many of the properties that you have worked
at.
Hopefully in the future it'll beat the same time that you're
there.
And we'll make that happen.
Do you have a favorite, I won'tsay a favorite property, because
you do work with so manydifferent properties and we
wouldn't want to say you have afavorite, but is there a place
that you work, so not the actualcompany or the property, but is
(16:56):
there a place.
Geographically that you reallyare drawn to more than another.
I mean, I know you go to so manyincredible places, but is there
one that you're like, really,really, really, really love it
there.
Rashia (17:09):
sure.
You know, I think
Susan (17:11):
I.
Rashia (17:12):
One of the places that was such sort of a really
pivotal part in my own healingjourney.
and also in, when I firststarted hosting my own retreats
was being in Colombia.
And I actually even lived therein Meine for about a year and a
half.
But I've found that there's likethis common thread and more
recently now I've been spending.
(17:34):
A lot of time in Costa Rica.
And so for me in particular, thethread that sort of weaves
between them are these placesthat are sort of rich in this
volcanic energy.
And there's no surprise that Ilive in Hawaii because that is
one of those.
So for me, there's somethingabout regions that have that
energy of that particular land.
(17:55):
Volcanic energy is energy oftransformation.
There's a reason why I called myretreat, sort of tropical
transformation.
'cause I felt like that was theywere really promoting.
And so I think when we're inspaces and beautiful places that
have that energy those are theones that really feel most
resonant for me.
And those are the ones I think,ultimately, that I see within my
(18:16):
clients that, they're able toreally tap into that resonance
in such a lovely way.
Susan (18:24):
That's so interesting.
Hillary Clark-Mina (18:26):
And when you talk, we've talked a lot
about crystals and it's a keypart.
Clearly it, it's important foryou.
It's a cornerstone for.
So much of what you do, I'd loveto learn more about your
relationship with crystals andthe crystalline training that
you receive.
So for anyone listening that youknow is new to this, what are we
(18:46):
talking about?
Rashia (18:48):
Yeah, for sure.
Hillary Clark-Mina (18:49):
I.
Rashia (18:49):
With, for me, crystals and working with mineral energy
are about a resonance withnature.
And so I think when we live inthese cities, oftentimes we find
ourselves devoid in that, right?
That's why we go on the retreator you know, that's why we're
like, get me to the mountains soI can, just breathe that fresh
(19:10):
air.
And so when working with stones,for me, I think having something
that's tactile.
just a really beautiful reminderof your connection to
mindfulness and your connectionto nature.
all ancient civilizations hadhad stones that they really
(19:31):
revered for their energeticproperties.
So I think I, you know, I alsosort of always impart like this
isn't just something new andtrendy because everyone's into
yoga and Pilates and like allthe things.
this is something that, ourancestors resonated with, right?
So for me, it's also aconnection to history.
it's a connection to thelineages that exist sort of
(19:54):
within nature.
But ultimately minerals holddifferent energies just on based
on how they're created by theearth.
And so if you're talking about,you talked about transformation
and that sort of volcanic energyand obsidian is a stone that
comes from that, gonna have avery different energy, than
something that you find in theArctic circle.
(20:15):
Right.
Just sort of in how the earthbirthed it.
And so I think when we reallylook to these things, whether
it's the stones that we'rewearing in our jewelry, which is
really a beautiful reminder ofthat connection to the energy
that we can have when we wearcertain pieces.
But we can also bring them intoour spaces.
We can also have them as thosevisual reminders, right?
(20:37):
If you're someone that perceivesthem as beauty then you can
treat them the same way that youdo as art, but also you're
having that frequency of nature.
Within your space and so.
when I sort of set out tointegrate them into my interior
design, there wasn't a place togo to for that.
There wasn't a formula, therewasn't, you know, we of course
(21:00):
are familiar with feng shui whenwe talk about interior design
and spaces and ways that we canlook at energy.
And stones are a beautiful partof that as well.
Also in traditional East Indianculture, vast shastra stones are
also a part of their sort oforganic planning to how you
think about spaces.
So there's also history sort ofwithin that there, but there
(21:21):
wasn't a school, there wasn't aplace to see how you can
incorporate that and merge itwith interior design.
And so I just set out initiallyto really learn about stones.
I had, a chance encounter whereI had just come back from the
GEM shows and I was in LA and Ihad heard about a beautiful
showroom there that used to bethere called Place eight
(21:44):
Healing.
And, the founder was launching ajewelry line.
And so I was sharing with hersome of my background and
jewelry and she's like.
If you really wanna learn aboutstone energy, here's who you
should study with.
And she recommended KatrinaRaphael, who has, has written
many books on the crystalhealing sort of dating back to
(22:04):
the seventies.
But she has a school called theCrystal Academy for Advanced
Healing Arts.
and so with that information, Isaid, okay, I'm gonna learn
about that.
And so over the course of about10 years, I did three trainings
with them.
Obviously, you have to have alot of one-on-one practicum
work.
as you're evolving throughoutthat.
(22:26):
And so that really gave me thefoundation to learn about
stones, to learn about theirenergy, to learn about how
individual's energy can resonatewith that.
And then from that point, I tookit upon myself to see how to
work with it in spaces.
And it's really kind of justbeen this organic thing really
over the past 10 plus years.
(22:46):
And because every individual'senergy is different.
So even though you sort of havea loose template for, oh, okay,
this stone is calming, how oneperson connects to that energy
is gonna be very different.
Susan (22:58):
Right.
Rashia (22:59):
about that
Susan (23:00):
Yeah.
Rashia (23:00):
is a constant learning process.
Susan (23:03):
Specifically as a medium, you know, hold so much energy
and so much power.
But you know, so many of ourlisteners have heard, oh, you
know, use amethyst for this oruse, you know this for that.
But it is so personal to yourpoint, like how you respond, how
you respond to turquoise isgonna be very different than how
I respond to turquoise or, youknow, lapis.
Or we could go on and on and on.
(23:24):
but thinking about that, if youhad to generalize, just
generally thinking for some ofour listeners that are out there
right now and thinking tothemselves, you know, I know a
little bit about maybe I wannaget a gif for myself or do
something, you know, is there asort of crystal that.
woman over the age of 40 orwomen going through menopause or
(23:45):
going through transition is forour listeners out there.
Is there a particular crystal ora couple of different crystals
that you would recommend wouldbe a good place to start if
they're interested beforereaching out and finding you?
Rashia (23:58):
I think there really are kind of two camps that feel
most resonant, especially withinthis hectic, hyper technological
focused world that we live intoday.
And I think those are stonesthat are for clearing energy and
stones that are for grounding.
Because I find we're either onone side of it.
Either we're like super sluggishand we're feeling heavy, and we
(24:20):
don't wanna get out of bed orour mind is spinning and racing
and we just can't ground becausewe're 10 steps ahead of
everything and we can't justshut off.
Or, we're glued to these devicesand things like that.
Exactly, or both.
Right.
You know, and I think, we likevacillate between that
Throughout the day where we canreally feel that in any moment.
And especially when you'retalking, women of a certain age
(24:42):
and perimenopause menopause,you're going through that like
full, full spectrum.
Hillary Clark-Mina (24:49):
Right.
Rashia (24:49):
I think definitely when you talk about grounding stones,
like black tourmaline likeobsidian that I mentioned, like
smoky quartz, the common themewith them, they also are gonna
be your darker colored stones.
Tend to have a bit more denserenergy, tend to have energy that
has the ability to transmutealso, To absorb some of those
(25:10):
electromagnetic frequencies andthings because a lot of times
that's what's really affectingus.
it's, that we're glued to thistech 24 7.
so on the grounding sort ofcamp, those are stones that I
would recommend and they're alsoreally useful when we're feeling
anxious.
When we're feeling overwhelmed,when we need to just kind of
settle our energy.
(25:30):
And then on the flip side, whenwe're feeling like super low
energy and super heavy, stonesto think about when we're
clearing energy or for clearingspaces.
And so your clear cords, yourselenite is one of my favorite
stones because it's a salt basedstone.
So it's sort of giving that sameeffect that we feel when we're
in the ocean, when we're in saltwater.
(25:51):
You know, when you're just ableto kind of float and sort of
have that weight kind of takenoff of you.
Like selenite is sort of theenergetic car wash crystal as I
like, to call it in that it,
Hillary Clark-Mina (26:03):
Writing this down.
Rashia (26:04):
energy as well,
Hillary Clark-Mina (26:08):
Interesting.
What about something like acitrine or like a labradorite?
Do those count as likeopposites?
Like the labradorite would bedarker and.
Rashia (26:18):
not quite, your citrine is gonna be energy activating.
So you know, that's for your4:00 PM when you wanna reach for
that coffee your, or you wannaspark creativity.
Citrine aligns with the solarplexus energy.
So it's very much about kind oflike balancing those systems.
So on those extremes, That sparkplug, that jumpstart.
(26:39):
When you look to your sort ofgolden energy stones labradorite
is a highly intuitive stone thatthat one can take on a lot of
different energies.
It's the stone of sort of magic.
Especially in all of thosebeautiful colors that you see
within it, it's sort of like inthe eye of the beholder, right?
and what you sort of observe.
And so for some people that canbe really beautiful for sort of
(27:02):
dream work.
In particular when you'resleeping.
For others that could be like.
already have like highly activedreams and I don't need anything
to make them even more active.
I'm already like not gettingrestful sleep, so.
To that point in what we saidearlier, it's so unique to the
individual.
You know, some people sleep likebaby with amethyst on their
(27:24):
nightstand.
Other people, it's like the mostdisruptive, thing to have in
your room.
And so what I always like toshare is it's a process of trial
and error, you know, andespecially within spaces when
you're thinking about where youput them, how you use certain
stones.
Move them around.
Move them throughout your home,see if there's a better place
(27:45):
for it, that resonates for you.
Don't be fixated on, oh, it'sthe stone for this thing.
Like, I have to have it herebecause it's gonna really be
unique to each person.
Susan (27:56):
Yeah.
And you brought up sleep, youknow and I, and I wanted to,
while we have you for this time,I do wanna talk about Re-Vityl
because when we first met at ourmutual friend Natasha's house I
was so intrigued by this newcompany that you have going on
that really is focused on thefine art of sleep and how
(28:19):
important sleep is.
Believe me, it's something thatis in my house.
So, yes, sleep.
So tell us about Re-Vityl.
Rashia (28:28):
Yeah, I mean, it was birthed from really a place of
myself being someone that alwaysrequires a lot of sleep and not
quite always getting that andhow to kind of make that as
quality of a sleep as possible.
My business partner Eva Vic, isa mom, and so at the time when
(28:48):
we launched, she had very youngchildren and so she was going
through that phase of notsleeping.
Both of us were avid travelers,We talked a little about, the
amount of time, within the yearthat I spend in hotels is quite
a bit.
And so initially it was reallyfrom the vantage point of
thinking about how can wesupport people sort of during
travel?
But in the lead up to sort oflaunching the brand, COVID
(29:09):
happened and nobody wastraveling, but also no one was
sleeping.
And so that really created aunique opportunity when you
really talk about energy and howyou can sort of improve your
sleep.
And so our hero product is asleep mask that actually has
that crystalline of it.
It has an insert.
(29:30):
And so tourmaline, as I talkedabout, acts as that grounding
energy zone.
And so it sort of function as,as like that energetic weighted
blanket, for you when you'resleeping.
And so you know, with mybackground and beauty, my
partner's background also in.
Luxury and cosmetics.
We wanted to really create aholistic sleep brand that
(29:51):
wasn't, you know, built ontaking the meds and the pills
and all the things.
And that really talked to asleep ritual.
so the sleep masks sort ofaccented by organic body care
and essential oils that havereally been crafted and blended
to sort of support.
Your sleep journey.
But when we talk about sleep,you know, it affects obviously
(30:13):
our full day.
and really Re-Vityl was createdfrom, you know, this essentially
how can we Re-Vitylize ourselvesthrough our sleep and have those
ripple effects, all day long.
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:27):
Sign me up immediately.
Rashia (30:31):
Yes.
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:31):
we're gonna send a link.
We're gonna place a link sopeople can find all of your
delightful things so
Rashia (30:38):
and
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:38):
they can find,
Rashia (30:39):
a little code for, for listeners to
Hillary Clark-Mina (30:42):
oh,
Rashia (30:43):
Courtesy of you guys.
Susan (30:44):
Oh, that would be wonderful.
I know our listeners would lovethat because they will
definitely, after listening tothis episode, wanna go on and
see how they can find you
Rashia (30:53):
yes.
Susan (30:53):
a person and all your services where in the world is
Rashiaia, right?
these are, you know, they allspeak to the different facets of
who you are, the healing, thewellness, the sleep.
These are all.
All things that are a part ofbeauty that we all need.
It's not just external, it's,it's all starts with the inside
first.
Right?
Rashia (31:13):
No.
Anyone that's sort of, you know,evolving on their own journey,
you know, it is that reminderof, of look to yourself first.
Look to, you know.
Your own needs.
Look to what's important to you.
(31:33):
Where are the gaps, you know,kind of within where you can't
find perhaps the products that,that you are seeking out.
Because I think that can be orthe experiences as well.
I think that can be just areally yeah, unique launching
point for not only creatingsomething that serves you, but
creating something that'sauthentic.
And when you start from thatplace.
(31:56):
People are gonna naturallyresonate
Susan (31:58):
So where can people find you?
Where are you next?
Rashia (32:01):
you know, it changes by the day and it will probably be
very different depending on whenthis actually airs.
But I split my time between sortof east and west coast.
When I'm on the East Coast, it'sPhiladelphia and New York, so if
you do sign up for thecrystalline newsletter, I always
notify everyone, when I'mpassing through and kind of when
(32:22):
I'm making rounds throughcities, be it Miami or la.
yes.
My hotel residencies or retreatsor things are planned a little
bit further out.
So we're working on next year'sschedule already.
But some fun, exotic places tocome for sure.
Susan (32:40):
Oh, I'm so.
Hillary Clark-Mina (32:42):
Definitely let me know when you're in Los
Angeles,
Rashia (32:46):
I definitely will for
Hillary Clark-Mina (32:47):
that would be wonderful.
Rashia (32:49):
I would love
Susan (32:49):
Yes, and I have to come in and see you at the, you know,
shout out to Four Seasons inPhilly.
Rashia (32:56):
that.
Susan (32:58):
Honestly I was actually at the Four Seasons downtown New
York on my birthday in March forMassage.
That was also excellent.
But I have to tell you, ifanyone listening is a Four
Seasons junkie as much as I am Iwill tell.
I will tell you.
Hillary Clark-Mina (33:14):
Yes.
Susan (33:15):
We know that.
But
Hillary Clark-Mina (33:16):
Yeah.
Susan (33:16):
tell you.
That the Four Seasons in Philly,I think Bethany Frankel just
said it's the most beautifulhotel she's ever seen.
And I have to tell you guys, theFour Seasons in Philly worth a
trip to Philly.
Rashia (33:31):
so
Susan (33:32):
right?
Rashia (33:32):
Philadelphia
Susan (33:33):
right.
Rashia (33:34):
Had the pleasure of them allowing me to be in there
with a hard hat duringconstruction and installing
crystals into the walls of thetreatment rooms and the spa,
Had, was really just such ahighlight in my career and also
my tie to the city and the storyand, to have a part in every
little treatment at the spa, beit the crystals that the guests
(33:55):
get or that they get when theycheck out of the hotel
Susan (33:58):
Yeah.
Rashia (33:59):
So it, it's fun always when friends are there and get
to discover it as well.
Susan (34:03):
I
Rashia (34:03):
a
Susan (34:04):
You there
Rashia (34:04):
that one has like a special, special place in my
heart for sure.
Susan (34:09):
it really is.
Yeah.
Because you know when I was,when I was there, I was like,
oh, she's with me.
She's with me right now.
it was so nice.
Rashia (34:19):
I
Susan (34:19):
Yeah.
it's really magnificent.
I mean, of course the FourSeasons in Maui, we, you know,
we could go on,
Rashia (34:24):
yeah,
Susan (34:25):
and I honeymooned at the Four Seasons on the big island.
Rashia (34:28):
I
Susan (34:29):
so shout out to Four Seasons.
Hillary Clark-Mina (34:30):
Oh love.
Rashia (34:32):
Yeah.
Susan (34:32):
They're pretty fantastic.
So, well Rashiaia, we could talkto you forever, so you're gonna
have to come back on.
Rashia (34:39):
happy to.
Susan (34:40):
if
Rashia (34:40):
so much fun.
Susan (34:41):
love to have you back on
Rashia (34:42):
appreciate you
Susan (34:43):
more about what you're doing.
Hillary Clark-Mina (34:45):
Yeah, maybe we could even sneak, some behind
the scenes IRL with you whenyou're doing an installation
that we would be allowed to see
Rashia (34:54):
Yeah, I will
Hillary Clark-Mina (34:55):
So maybe people can really see you in
action with everything aroundyou and really we can see a
little glimpse into the magicthat you create.
Rashia (35:07):
Yes.
No, we'll definitely keep youposted
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:10):
Okay.
Rashia (35:10):
know that next time I'm in the city I can maybe pop by
the
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:15):
Love it.
Rashia (35:15):
and Show you a little bit about what a crystal healing
experience is like.
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:20):
Yeah,
Susan (35:20):
And
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:20):
we love it.
Susan (35:22):
I'm coming to Costa Rica next time too,
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:24):
too.
Rashia (35:25):
I know,
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:26):
See you there.
Rashia (35:27):
I know.
Susan (35:27):
we.
Rashia (35:27):
me as well and now there's like a wait list,
Susan (35:32):
I bet there's a wait list.
Rashia (35:33):
come visit me.
Susan (35:35):
Yes.
you let us know where you areand we will be there for sure.
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:41):
That's right.
Rashia (35:43):
Look
Hillary Clark-Mina (35:43):
you.
Rashia (35:44):
Thank you so much.
Susan (35:45):
thank you so much, Rashiaia.
Thank you for being here.
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