November 26, 2024 • 16 mins
Join us on Lifestyle Strength as we welcome Ben Ozanne, a seasoned chiropractor with over 14 years of experience, who shares how a twist of fate and encouragement from his wife led him on a fulfilling path from aspiring spinal surgeon to chiropractic care advocate. With personal insights drawn from his own recovery from a whiplash injury and his father's progressive stance on holistic treatments, Ben offers a unique perspective on the value of conservative care before surgery. Discover how prioritizing both personal well-being and professional dedication can transform careers in healthcare and explore the nuances of chiropractic as a vital element in achieving health and well-being.
Our conversation ventures into the intriguing realm of radiographic exposure, where Ben introduces the idea that low doses of radiation, like those from X-rays, might actually offer benefits to the body. We clear up lingering misconceptions about radiation risks and guide you on what to seek in a quality chiropractor, emphasizing the importance of tailored treatment plans that include X-rays for tracking progress. Learn how holistic approaches, such as integrating complementary therapies and empowering patients with home care routines, can enhance your spinal health journey. Whether you're a chiropractic enthusiast or simply curious about holistic health, this episode promises valuable insights and practical advice.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Lifestyle Strength, your guide to
mastering health and well-beingin the real world.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Ariel, a massage therapist with over a decade of
experience in holistic health,and I'm here with Lucas, a
seasoned fitness coach, who'stransformed the lives of
hundreds in Northwest Arkansas.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We're here to share real stories and expert insights
about embracing a healthylifestyle while balancing the
everyday hustle.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Join us as we explore practical ways to achieve
wellness and thrive amidstlife's challenges.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Let's dive in.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Well, hey y'all, we got Ben Ozan in studio today.
How's it going, Ben?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Thank you.
How are you, guys Good?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Thank you for joining us.
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Usually we like to know a little bit about you and
what you do, and then we kind ofdive in and learn all your
secrets.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm just kidding.
Yes, right, roast me.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Right, we're good at that.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Just slightly sassy, yeah Well, so any specifics that
you want to know?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, I want to know what you do for work.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What are you?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
doing in the community.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, so I'm a chiropractor Been in practice
helping people with health andwellness for over 14 years Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, I didn't realize it's been so long.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Time flies.
You know when you're having fun.
Love what you do.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I think I met you like 10 years ago, uh-huh,
because it was my very early 20s.
I'd had a car accident and I'dbeen referred to.
I can't remember who referredme, but I had whiplash and I
know that you're a whiplashspecialist, right.
Is that kind of your wheelhouse?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean, that's definitely one of the things I
love, love helping people withUh.
It's part of uh.
You know, my journey my ownhealth journey was recovering
from a whiplash injury myself.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Okay.
So is that?
Were you already a chiropractorby then, or you chose
chiropractic after your injury?
Is that where you already achiropractor by then, or you
chose?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
chiropractic after your injury.
Uh, I actually.
Well, I chose chiropractic, uhbecause my wife didn't know.
Yeah, Lucy, uh, I wouldn't saya strong armed man to it.
But uh was definitely like, hey, you should consider this.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Why was she so adamant about it?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, uh, chronic back problems since she was like
11 years old.
Wow, um, and so didchiropractic care for herself.
Um, her brother-in-law is achiropractor who practices in
Bryan, arkansas.
And uh, so she saw a lot of thebenefit from from chiropractic
and um I was considering goingto medical school and becoming a
(02:25):
surgeon, a spinal surgeonactually.
Uh, my dad is now retired but hewas a practicing orthopedic
spinal surgeon and so he didthat for years.
I got to actually go in when Iwas younger, observe surgeries
with him and get exposed to kindof that world and liked it.
And then she was like well, youknow you're not as dedicated
(02:49):
with school as you need to be,and you know you're not as
dedicated with school as youneed to be, and you know, which
would be an honest statement,but my wife is awesome.
She she'll tell you, tell youstraight and tell you how she
feels.
You know.
So she was very honest andblunt with me.
Like you know, you are slackingand you're undergrad and I
think you should considerchiropractic, because good luck
(03:10):
getting into medical school.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Are you sure she just wasn't like it would be so nice
to have a husband that's achiropractor?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
so I could get adjustments all the time.
Okay, that's great it wasprobably partly that as well.
No, I mean, she wanted the bestfor me and she also saw like as
a surgeon, the years that ittakes to get there and then even
the hours that you have to hold, like my dad was on call a lot.
You know, so it's not an easylife, Right right as far as,
(03:37):
like, the dedication you have toget there, but then even the
requirements that you're kind ofinvolved.
Yeah, you've got to maintainUh-huh afterwards, and so got
exposed to it loved it.
My brother, her brother-in-law,worked four days a week and I
was like okay, no calls nosurgery, three-hour surgeries,
(03:59):
five-hour surgeries, and lovedthe idea concept.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And so.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I had actually never been adjusted before, like even
considering chiropractic.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, I mean you were far removed from that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yes, and not anything .
You know like I had nothingagainst chiropractic.
My dad actually in practicereferred to chiropractors too.
So you know he was a littlemore open-minded as a surgeon.
Like he would refer people foracupuncture.
He got acupuncture himself.
He did massage regularly.
He referred people tochiropractors.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think it's pretty unique in the medical field.
Sometimes it's a lot morecombative yes, where you know
this is just treatment versus uh, preventative.
Yes, a lot of times, yeah, andmy, my dad was a great surgeon
uh, a lot of the reason why isbecause he was conservative.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So when you look at statistics, even when it comes
to PAC surgery, a lot of peopleare recommended surgery but they
don't go through a lot of thenecessary alternatives
conservative care before theyconsider it.
Except all options, and so thenthe reoccurrence and need for
future surgeries skyrockets.
Or the failure like they didn'tget any better, or they're
(05:14):
worse after surgery.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Um so he had to, you know, in order to even have
surgeries.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
He saw a lot of people and so had a lot of
people come in.
Well, no, you need to go dochiropractic or physical therapy
or you need to go lose weight.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You need to get off.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know smoking, cigarettes type of things, and
you know if you don't stopsmoking and if you don't lose x
amount of pounds.
I'm not going to do surgery onyou wow that's a great doctor
yeah, that's a great surgeon.
You don't hear that even now.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh yes, well, and I wish there was.
You know more of that, and Ithink there's some of that.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But that helped me too to be just open Like all
right.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I was never closed off to the idea, and so
chiropractic just kind of gotput it in my lap and I've rolled
with it, which has been awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I have a question.
So, just like in massagetherapy, we have modalities, we
have routes, you can take routes, you can take Um and I've seen
all the letters past your name,not knowing what any of them
mean other than, uh, I knowyou're a whiplash specialist and
you said, obviously an injuryhappened, that kind of steered
you that way.
But how do you navigate, onceyou're a chiropractor, what
(06:23):
you're specializing in or whatyou're doing?
Because I know currently, likeyou adjust me, you just me, when
I was pregnant, you adjust mybaby, but you're a whiplash
specialist, but I mean yourhands are in everything.
So, like, how did you navigatethat and what does that look
like?
Because I don't know in thefield of chiropractic.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Well, so we have a bunch of different chiropractic
schools.
The blessing and the curse ofmy profession is we almost don't
have an identity.
It is we almost don't have anidentity.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's become part of the problem, because you can go
to this chiropractor here.
Have one experience and go tothis guy over here and have a
completely different experienceversus like if you go to a
dentist, you know exactly whatthey're going to do for you.
Like I'm going to get my teethcleaned.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I'm going to get x-rays.
Look and see if I have anycavities.
And if I need them, I'm goingto get them filled and maybe I
need to have X, y and Z done.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Or if you're going to go to an orthodontist.
But even like in the medicalcommunity, which I think does a
disservice.
But they've specialized.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Right, so you go to the foot doctor, the knee doctor
, the hip doctor.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And then so our profession as a whole.
We view ourselves as trying tobe holistic.
Yeah, so viewing the body as awhole and trying to take care of
the whole person versus you gota hip issue, that's my focus um
and main focus.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Or, you know, even my dad is a back surgeon.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
That's it, that was his I'm gonna do surgery, I do
surgery.
Yes, that's my main focus andif I can't help you, okay, I'll
refer you somewhere else.
So in our profession we'reexposed to a lot, so you can.
In school too, you have themain course, learning to adjust,
learning to be a primary carephysician, and physiology and
(08:05):
biology.
So you get a good wide trainingand then you do electives too.
Okay, so you can get exposure tolike all right sports medicine
versus pediatrics, geriatricsand they encourage you in school
too, like, all right, you gotyour base track and then you
need to get exposed to otherthings too, because you're not
(08:26):
going to learn everything thatyou need to just through school.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Right, and so that's what I did.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I went and chatted to other doctors and I went to
seminars while I was in schooland then, after I'd been in
school, too, so one of thecertifications I have is through
chiropractic biophysics, and soagain, this is the most
researched chiropractictechnique on the planet.
They have hundreds ofpeer-reviewed articles,
(08:54):
double-blind, placebo-controlledstudies like legit, and so
their training, though, isphenomenal, and it looks a lot
at the structure, biomechanics,how the spine functions, what's
normal, what's abnormal and theneven the variances too, like
stuff we didn't learn in school,like, okay, congenital
anomalies will happen.
(09:14):
How does that change what thisperson's spine is supposed to
look like Okay, yeah.
And that's critical, or there'seven variances in okay, because
your tailbone is shaped thisway, then you're actually not
supposed to have as deep of alower back curve.
Good to know Because your sacrumis shaped this way, you should
have a very deep curvature, orlike up here in the, the rib
(09:38):
cage at the top here.
How wide or narrow it is willeven determine the slope of your
neck as well, okay, so eventhat is important when I'm
sitting with someone andevaluating them, taking their
unique physiology into into play.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Okay, here's what the research says.
But because of X, y and Z inyour body.
This is what we're shooting for.
So you're still not healthy,but we're not trying to get this
for you, we're trying to getthis for you Right.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So that makes me think, because we're on the
topic, I mean, this is what youdo.
I have so many people who arelike, well, I don't want my neck
adjusted but, and I always say,let's start with the hips and
something about starting withthe biggest portion of the body.
They're like I'm willing to trythat, yeah, and then that's how
I ease them into like, and thenguess what, 10 sessions in with
(10:28):
you're so comfortable and youtrust him.
But this specific training thatyou took, it kind of sounds
like, like you're saying there'sso many peer reviews, I mean
like it's the safest, and you'retaking into account the
individual person in theiranatomy.
So, um, would you say, do mostchiropractors have that?
(10:49):
And and would you say, becauseI'm, you know, we refer our
clientele to you.
Um, that is a something I couldsay like, hey, just know, he's
taking into account your, youranatomy, you know who you are,
how you were born.
And the reason I said that toois because sometimes clients are
like, oh, but you know, I'veseen a chiropractor before he
(11:11):
never does x-rays Right, andthis makes so much more sense to
me.
And I think I remember askingyou at one point you said.
I said you know why do youchoose to?
And you said I, um, I can'twork on what I don't see.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And I thought and now this even makes more sense
based on your training You'resaying, listen, I could do the
standard thing for everybody,but what if it's a disservice to
your anatomy?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
100% Well, and there's even radiograph phobia,
so a lot of people get like oh,radiation and it's a bad thing.
They have done studies on okayradiographic exposure, Like if
you go and get a plain film youknow, at a chiropractor, at a
primary care, at the hospital,what is your level of risk?
(11:56):
Um and so there's this thingthey call, which is a hormetic
effect.
So um, radiation and low dosagelike what you get at my office,
um actually has some benefit tothe body and helping it 's that
you can view it?
I wouldn't.
This is the best example.
It's kind of like a nutrientthat your body's deficient in
(12:16):
and so having some exposureinteresting there's natural
radiation, that were exposed tojust the way that God created
the planet.
Yes, the planet emanatesradiation yes so there are safe
levels that were kind ofsupposed to be exposed to, and
so plain film is one of those.
Like you would have to takehundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of plain film x-rays ina very close amount of time
(12:37):
right in order to actually havea negative impact on someone's
body.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So when I was there the other day, I got a little
nutrient boost, yes, so I'mcurious you mentioned earlier,
since the chiropractic field is,so I don't know if unregulated
it's obviously there'sregulations, but it's so gray in
what you're going to get at oneand what you're going to get at
another To the layman personwho you know, somebody like in a
(13:03):
health field, is going to kindof pick up on some of those
things what, what's somethingthat, like somebody who didn't
know, could look out for andlike is this, am I getting the
general treatment?
Am I getting the good?
Are they?
Because I I've had severaldifferent experiences
chiropractors where they didx-rays and I thought I was
getting maybe specializedtreatment, yeah, but I still
(13:24):
wasn't sure, and I'm in thehealth and wellness field as
well.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, well, one and, and it depends on your flavor
too.
So like there's severalchiropractors that choose, I'm
gonna adjust.
I'm gonna kind of treat yoursymptoms and they like to do
that and people are happy withthat.
Cool to me and and what I knowit if they're not taking x-rays,
(13:49):
you're going to already be downand wrong in level of
specificity and customized care,and then, number two I'm a big
fan and believer of awell-rounded approach.
So, having referrals as well.
Like, hey, I'm going to work onx, y and z.
I'm great at working on thespine and doing rehab and
(14:10):
helping to heal from injuries,but like you need to address the
muscular system as well, solet's get you over and get some
massage work done and then youknow the rehab side too.
So if they're not having you dothings at home on your own, I
think that's also a bigdisservice as well.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Like I like to say, we're going to empower you to
take control of your health andtake care of yourself.
One of the things I tell peopleis okay, do you guys brush your
teeth every day?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Okay, so you have probably good oral hygiene for
the most part, right?
What do you do?
Brush, floss, yep, all of it.
How's your spinal hygiene?
What do you do every day?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I mean I train but like you know, yeah, you do so
many things Absolutely yeah,like most people are just I
don't know, we don't know.
I sit all day Right.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
What are you doing to take care of your nervous
system, your spine and just?
You know good holistic wholebody hygiene as well, you know.
So it's like, okay, oralhygiene again.
The dentist dentists have donea great job, like people know
like I need to brush my teethand I need to go get checked
regularly for cavities.
Um, and then, yeah, we ignorelike so much of the rest of our
(15:23):
bodies.
It's like, okay, we spent allthis time taking care of our
mouth.
Right, I mean, you want to smellgood, but we don't take care of
a lot of the other stuff aswell, so even even trying to
train people like here's somespecific stuff for you to have
good spinal hygiene, but then,too, like one thing that we do
(15:44):
as well as pre and post x-rays,for example.
So if we find abnormalities insomeone to me, okay, yeah,
you're better, but are youbetter?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, you actually want to know, you want to
visually show them.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, okay, and then to like upkeep, like all right,
we've accomplished this.
Are we helping you?
Stay there?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
too, and are you?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
doing the things necessary to help your body
adapt to stress and to stayhealthy and well.
So in chiropractic, you knowthere's definitely levels, but
having you know a plan, how longis it going to take, what do I
need to do, what am I doing athome, and then kind of an end
goal too I think is important,and then also follow up.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
So having not just subjective measurements, but
objective measurements.
Yeah, absolutely.
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mastering health and well-beingin the real world.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Ariel, a massage therapist with over a decade of
experience in holistic health,and I'm here with Lucas, a
seasoned fitness coach, who'stransformed the lives of
hundreds in Northwest Arkansas.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We're here to share real stories and expert insights
about embracing a healthylifestyle while balancing the
everyday hustle.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Join us as we explore practical ways to achieve
wellness and thrive amidstlife's challenges.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Let's dive in.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Well, hey y'all, we got Ben Ozan in studio today.
How's it going, Ben?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Thank you.
How are you, guys Good?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Thank you for joining us.
Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Usually we like to know a little bit about you and
what you do, and then we kind ofdive in and learn all your
secrets.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm just kidding.
Yes, right, roast me.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Right, we're good at that.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Just slightly sassy, yeah Well, so any specifics that
you want to know?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, I want to know what you do for work.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What are you?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
doing in the community.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, so I'm a chiropractor Been in practice
helping people with health andwellness for over 14 years Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, I didn't realize it's been so long.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Time flies.
You know when you're having fun.
Love what you do.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I think I met you like 10 years ago, uh-huh,
because it was my very early 20s.
I'd had a car accident and I'dbeen referred to.
I can't remember who referredme, but I had whiplash and I
know that you're a whiplashspecialist, right.
Is that kind of your wheelhouse?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean, that's definitely one of the things I
love, love helping people withUh.
It's part of uh.
You know, my journey my ownhealth journey was recovering
from a whiplash injury myself.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Okay.
So is that?
Were you already a chiropractorby then, or you chose
chiropractic after your injury?
Is that where you already achiropractor by then, or you
chose?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
chiropractic after your injury.
Uh, I actually.
Well, I chose chiropractic, uhbecause my wife didn't know.
Yeah, Lucy, uh, I wouldn't saya strong armed man to it.
But uh was definitely like, hey, you should consider this.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Why was she so adamant about it?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, uh, chronic back problems since she was like
11 years old.
Wow, um, and so didchiropractic care for herself.
Um, her brother-in-law is achiropractor who practices in
Bryan, arkansas.
And uh, so she saw a lot of thebenefit from from chiropractic
and um I was considering goingto medical school and becoming a
(02:25):
surgeon, a spinal surgeonactually.
Uh, my dad is now retired but hewas a practicing orthopedic
spinal surgeon and so he didthat for years.
I got to actually go in when Iwas younger, observe surgeries
with him and get exposed to kindof that world and liked it.
And then she was like well, youknow you're not as dedicated
(02:49):
with school as you need to be,and you know you're not as
dedicated with school as youneed to be, and you know, which
would be an honest statement,but my wife is awesome.
She she'll tell you, tell youstraight and tell you how she
feels.
You know.
So she was very honest andblunt with me.
Like you know, you are slackingand you're undergrad and I
think you should considerchiropractic, because good luck
(03:10):
getting into medical school.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Are you sure she just wasn't like it would be so nice
to have a husband that's achiropractor?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
so I could get adjustments all the time.
Okay, that's great it wasprobably partly that as well.
No, I mean, she wanted the bestfor me and she also saw like as
a surgeon, the years that ittakes to get there and then even
the hours that you have to hold, like my dad was on call a lot.
You know, so it's not an easylife, Right right as far as,
(03:37):
like, the dedication you have toget there, but then even the
requirements that you're kind ofinvolved.
Yeah, you've got to maintainUh-huh afterwards, and so got
exposed to it loved it.
My brother, her brother-in-law,worked four days a week and I
was like okay, no calls nosurgery, three-hour surgeries,
(03:59):
five-hour surgeries, and lovedthe idea concept.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And so.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I had actually never been adjusted before, like even
considering chiropractic.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, I mean you were far removed from that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yes, and not anything .
You know like I had nothingagainst chiropractic.
My dad actually in practicereferred to chiropractors too.
So you know he was a littlemore open-minded as a surgeon.
Like he would refer people foracupuncture.
He got acupuncture himself.
He did massage regularly.
He referred people tochiropractors.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think it's pretty unique in the medical field.
Sometimes it's a lot morecombative yes, where you know
this is just treatment versus uh, preventative.
Yes, a lot of times, yeah, andmy, my dad was a great surgeon
uh, a lot of the reason why isbecause he was conservative.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So when you look at statistics, even when it comes
to PAC surgery, a lot of peopleare recommended surgery but they
don't go through a lot of thenecessary alternatives
conservative care before theyconsider it.
Except all options, and so thenthe reoccurrence and need for
future surgeries skyrockets.
Or the failure like they didn'tget any better, or they're
(05:14):
worse after surgery.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Um so he had to, you know, in order to even have
surgeries.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
He saw a lot of people and so had a lot of
people come in.
Well, no, you need to go dochiropractic or physical therapy
or you need to go lose weight.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You need to get off.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know smoking, cigarettes type of things, and
you know if you don't stopsmoking and if you don't lose x
amount of pounds.
I'm not going to do surgery onyou wow that's a great doctor
yeah, that's a great surgeon.
You don't hear that even now.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oh yes, well, and I wish there was.
You know more of that, and Ithink there's some of that.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But that helped me too to be just open Like all
right.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I was never closed off to the idea, and so
chiropractic just kind of gotput it in my lap and I've rolled
with it, which has been awesome.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I have a question.
So, just like in massagetherapy, we have modalities, we
have routes, you can take routes, you can take Um and I've seen
all the letters past your name,not knowing what any of them
mean other than, uh, I knowyou're a whiplash specialist and
you said, obviously an injuryhappened, that kind of steered
you that way.
But how do you navigate, onceyou're a chiropractor, what
(06:23):
you're specializing in or whatyou're doing?
Because I know currently, likeyou adjust me, you just me, when
I was pregnant, you adjust mybaby, but you're a whiplash
specialist, but I mean yourhands are in everything.
So, like, how did you navigatethat and what does that look
like?
Because I don't know in thefield of chiropractic.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Well, so we have a bunch of different chiropractic
schools.
The blessing and the curse ofmy profession is we almost don't
have an identity.
It is we almost don't have anidentity.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's become part of the problem, because you can go
to this chiropractor here.
Have one experience and go tothis guy over here and have a
completely different experienceversus like if you go to a
dentist, you know exactly whatthey're going to do for you.
Like I'm going to get my teethcleaned.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I'm going to get x-rays.
Look and see if I have anycavities.
And if I need them, I'm goingto get them filled and maybe I
need to have X, y and Z done.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Or if you're going to go to an orthodontist.
But even like in the medicalcommunity, which I think does a
disservice.
But they've specialized.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Right, so you go to the foot doctor, the knee doctor
, the hip doctor.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And then so our profession as a whole.
We view ourselves as trying tobe holistic.
Yeah, so viewing the body as awhole and trying to take care of
the whole person versus you gota hip issue, that's my focus um
and main focus.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Or, you know, even my dad is a back surgeon.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
That's it, that was his I'm gonna do surgery, I do
surgery.
Yes, that's my main focus andif I can't help you, okay, I'll
refer you somewhere else.
So in our profession we'reexposed to a lot, so you can.
In school too, you have themain course, learning to adjust,
learning to be a primary carephysician, and physiology and
(08:05):
biology.
So you get a good wide trainingand then you do electives too.
Okay, so you can get exposure tolike all right sports medicine
versus pediatrics, geriatricsand they encourage you in school
too, like, all right, you gotyour base track and then you
need to get exposed to otherthings too, because you're not
(08:26):
going to learn everything thatyou need to just through school.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Right, and so that's what I did.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I went and chatted to other doctors and I went to
seminars while I was in schooland then, after I'd been in
school, too, so one of thecertifications I have is through
chiropractic biophysics, and soagain, this is the most
researched chiropractictechnique on the planet.
They have hundreds ofpeer-reviewed articles,
(08:54):
double-blind, placebo-controlledstudies like legit, and so
their training, though, isphenomenal, and it looks a lot
at the structure, biomechanics,how the spine functions, what's
normal, what's abnormal and theneven the variances too, like
stuff we didn't learn in school,like, okay, congenital
anomalies will happen.
(09:14):
How does that change what thisperson's spine is supposed to
look like Okay, yeah.
And that's critical, or there'seven variances in okay, because
your tailbone is shaped thisway, then you're actually not
supposed to have as deep of alower back curve.
Good to know Because your sacrumis shaped this way, you should
have a very deep curvature, orlike up here in the, the rib
(09:38):
cage at the top here.
How wide or narrow it is willeven determine the slope of your
neck as well, okay, so eventhat is important when I'm
sitting with someone andevaluating them, taking their
unique physiology into into play.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Okay, here's what the research says.
But because of X, y and Z inyour body.
This is what we're shooting for.
So you're still not healthy,but we're not trying to get this
for you, we're trying to getthis for you Right.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So that makes me think, because we're on the
topic, I mean, this is what youdo.
I have so many people who arelike, well, I don't want my neck
adjusted but, and I always say,let's start with the hips and
something about starting withthe biggest portion of the body.
They're like I'm willing to trythat, yeah, and then that's how
I ease them into like, and thenguess what, 10 sessions in with
(10:28):
you're so comfortable and youtrust him.
But this specific training thatyou took, it kind of sounds
like, like you're saying there'sso many peer reviews, I mean
like it's the safest, and you'retaking into account the
individual person in theiranatomy.
So, um, would you say, do mostchiropractors have that?
(10:49):
And and would you say, becauseI'm, you know, we refer our
clientele to you.
Um, that is a something I couldsay like, hey, just know, he's
taking into account your, youranatomy, you know who you are,
how you were born.
And the reason I said that toois because sometimes clients are
like, oh, but you know, I'veseen a chiropractor before he
(11:11):
never does x-rays Right, andthis makes so much more sense to
me.
And I think I remember askingyou at one point you said.
I said you know why do youchoose to?
And you said I, um, I can'twork on what I don't see.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And I thought and now this even makes more sense
based on your training You'resaying, listen, I could do the
standard thing for everybody,but what if it's a disservice to
your anatomy?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
100% Well, and there's even radiograph phobia,
so a lot of people get like oh,radiation and it's a bad thing.
They have done studies on okayradiographic exposure, Like if
you go and get a plain film youknow, at a chiropractor, at a
primary care, at the hospital,what is your level of risk?
(11:56):
Um and so there's this thingthey call, which is a hormetic
effect.
So um, radiation and low dosagelike what you get at my office,
um actually has some benefit tothe body and helping it 's that
you can view it?
I wouldn't.
This is the best example.
It's kind of like a nutrientthat your body's deficient in
(12:16):
and so having some exposureinteresting there's natural
radiation, that were exposed tojust the way that God created
the planet.
Yes, the planet emanatesradiation yes so there are safe
levels that were kind ofsupposed to be exposed to, and
so plain film is one of those.
Like you would have to takehundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of plain film x-rays ina very close amount of time
(12:37):
right in order to actually havea negative impact on someone's
body.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So when I was there the other day, I got a little
nutrient boost, yes, so I'mcurious you mentioned earlier,
since the chiropractic field is,so I don't know if unregulated
it's obviously there'sregulations, but it's so gray in
what you're going to get at oneand what you're going to get at
another To the layman personwho you know, somebody like in a
(13:03):
health field, is going to kindof pick up on some of those
things what, what's somethingthat, like somebody who didn't
know, could look out for andlike is this, am I getting the
general treatment?
Am I getting the good?
Are they?
Because I I've had severaldifferent experiences
chiropractors where they didx-rays and I thought I was
getting maybe specializedtreatment, yeah, but I still
(13:24):
wasn't sure, and I'm in thehealth and wellness field as
well.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, well, one and, and it depends on your flavor
too.
So like there's severalchiropractors that choose, I'm
gonna adjust.
I'm gonna kind of treat yoursymptoms and they like to do
that and people are happy withthat.
Cool to me and and what I knowit if they're not taking x-rays,
(13:49):
you're going to already be downand wrong in level of
specificity and customized care,and then, number two I'm a big
fan and believer of awell-rounded approach.
So, having referrals as well.
Like, hey, I'm going to work onx, y and z.
I'm great at working on thespine and doing rehab and
(14:10):
helping to heal from injuries,but like you need to address the
muscular system as well, solet's get you over and get some
massage work done and then youknow the rehab side too.
So if they're not having you dothings at home on your own, I
think that's also a bigdisservice as well.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Like I like to say, we're going to empower you to
take control of your health andtake care of yourself.
One of the things I tell peopleis okay, do you guys brush your
teeth every day?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Okay, so you have probably good oral hygiene for
the most part, right?
What do you do?
Brush, floss, yep, all of it.
How's your spinal hygiene?
What do you do every day?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I mean I train but like you know, yeah, you do so
many things Absolutely yeah,like most people are just I
don't know, we don't know.
I sit all day Right.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
What are you doing to take care of your nervous
system, your spine and just?
You know good holistic wholebody hygiene as well, you know.
So it's like, okay, oralhygiene again.
The dentist dentists have donea great job, like people know
like I need to brush my teethand I need to go get checked
regularly for cavities.
Um, and then, yeah, we ignorelike so much of the rest of our
(15:23):
bodies.
It's like, okay, we spent allthis time taking care of our
mouth.
Right, I mean, you want to smellgood, but we don't take care of
a lot of the other stuff aswell, so even even trying to
train people like here's somespecific stuff for you to have
good spinal hygiene, but then,too, like one thing that we do
(15:44):
as well as pre and post x-rays,for example.
So if we find abnormalities insomeone to me, okay, yeah,
you're better, but are youbetter?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, you actually want to know, you want to
visually show them.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, okay, and then to like upkeep, like all right,
we've accomplished this.
Are we helping you?
Stay there?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
too, and are you?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
doing the things necessary to help your body
adapt to stress and to stayhealthy and well.
So in chiropractic, you knowthere's definitely levels, but
having you know a plan, how longis it going to take, what do I
need to do, what am I doing athome, and then kind of an end
goal too I think is important,and then also follow up.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
So having not just subjective measurements, but
objective measurements.
Yeah, absolutely.
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