September 29, 2025 • 31 mins
The power of intergenerational investment takes center stage as we welcome Dave and Nancy Lashey—parents of Lead Pastor Mark Lashey—to discuss how seasoned adults can continue making profound impacts in their families and church communities.
Drawing from their rich life experiences spanning military service, farming, and now active church involvement, the Laceys offer a masterclass in spiritual investment that transcends age barriers. Their journey through 20 years of military relocations illuminates how faith development requires both receiving investment and investing in others—a cycle they've maintained throughout their lives.
At the heart of their message is the SALT ministry (Seasoned Adults Living Triumphantly) and its vital role in church unity. Rather than fading into retirement, Dave and Nancy challenge older adults to remain engaged through service, mentorship, and intentional grandparenting. Their practical wisdom on being "humbly proactive" grandparents strikes a perfect balance between spiritual influence and respecting boundaries.
The conversation reveals three essential pillars for effective grandparenting: presence (showing up consistently), prayer (interceding specifically), and perseverance (especially when relationships are challenging). With refreshing candor, they address both the opportunities and pitfalls of grandparenting, offering guidance that bridges generational divides.
Whether you're a grandparent seeking to leave a spiritual legacy, a younger person hoping to find a mentor, or someone in between, this episode provides actionable wisdom on creating meaningful connections across generations. The Laceys remind us that our golden years can be our greatest investment opportunity when approached with humility, purpose, and service.
How might your experience and wisdom impact the next generation? Join us for this enriching conversation that proves it's never too late to invest in what matters most.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:15):
What's up, Life Talk family?
Welcome back to the Life TalkPodcast.
This is Nate coming to youtoday, and we are continuing our
journey through the month ofSeptember, all about investing.
And so uh prayerfully, you'vebeen journeying with us this
month.
We've heard from Jason Kreidler.
He started with generally uhbiblical view of how we invest
(00:38):
uh just multiple areas of ourlife.
And Jonathan Bush came on.
We talked about financialinvesting, and just last week we
heard from a lot of great staffhere: Tish, Danny, and Jarvis on
really how we can invest in ouryouth.
But today I am joined by twovery special guests, a dynamic
duo.
I have Dave and Nancy Lacey.
(00:59):
How are you all today?
We're great.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
We're good.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
Awesome.
Well, so excited to have youguys on the podcast.
I think we were talking firsttime.
So uh welcome to the podcast.
So glad to have you guys.
And uh, for those who don'tknow, you might recognize the
last name.
The Laishies are uh Dave andNancy are our lead pastor, Mark.
They're uh his parents.
And so talk about investing,right?
(01:23):
You guys investing in in thestaff here.
So I know you guys have anamazing story, still very active
in church.
And so uh today we want to heara lot about uh the ways you are
still investing, but before weget going, love to just get to
know you a little bit.
Want the people who don't knowyou, uh so Dave, I'm sure you'll
be okay.
We'll let ladies go first.
So uh Nancy, just share a littlebit about Nancy.
(01:45):
What should we know about you,your walk, and uh just your
heart for the Lord?
SPEAKER_02 (01:49):
Well, thank you for having us today.
Um, I you mentioned Mark um isour son, and we have Matt and we
have Ben, and we love our boysso much.
Um and the Lord just really hadto grab our hearts when we were
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young parents, taught us a lotthrough people who invested in
us.
Um, and we're a military family,so we moved around a lot.
I gave my life to the Lord whenI was 12.
Um, I had wonderful Christianparents um that invested in me,
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took me to church, um, and auntsand uncles that were Christians.
I had some that were not.
But pretty much at this point inmy life, I look back and see how
they invested in me.
And I want to invest in mychurch, in my family, um, my
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nieces and nephews, even, youknow, when I'm around them.
So um, my grandchildren and mygreat-grandchildren love them so
much, but it it's just ablessing to be able to live
close by because we lived faraway for a long time.
So we're just thankful to behere and be a part of Life
House.
It's we've just watched it, it'sjust been a miracle, really, and
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it's a miracle that we're here.
Really, God opened the doors.
SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
And like you said, I think all of our stories,
there's somebody who did investin us, and and it's a
multi-generation thing.
So I praise God you had a greatfamily and age 12 and been able
to do a lot of investing sincethen.
So, Dave, tell us the thereader's digest version.
I always say, as I get older, Iyou know, your story takes a
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long time to tell.
SPEAKER_03 (03:46):
Especially when talking about our testimony.
SPEAKER_00 (03:47):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
Well, with that, I'll lead.
I gave my life to the Lord in in1988 in my 30s, uh late 30s.
And so uh uh although my myparents took me to church and uh
and I grew up in church, um, Iwas thinking as Nancy was
talking and uh investing.
I mean, uh I I I my mind goes toa grandparent that uh invested a
(04:14):
lot in me and uh who I look toas a spiritual um uh image to me
as I looked at him.
And even to this day, I mean, Ithink that I call back on my
memory of uh of really wantingto be like him and lead like him
in a family, uh, although my dadand mom were uh were believers
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too.
And so uh I I also am thankfulfor people who other people who
do it did invest in methroughout my military career,
because I, as Nancy mentioned, Iuh spent 20 years in the United
States Air Force um and thencame home to a family farm and
uh farm for 25 years.
(04:59):
And then um by uh thesovereignty of God, both Nancy
and I will claim that, is thatit worked out that we could uh
come and be with Mark here inMiddletown, Delaware uh by the
sale of the farm.
So uh here we are, and we're sothankful.
We count our blessings thatwe're here.
SPEAKER_00 (05:18):
Amen.
So maybe it's a little bit onthe military, you know, how did
that play out in your faith?
I know we've heard from a few,like Jonathan Bush was in the
Air Force.
Uh, we are blessed to have uhveterans, people who have that
experience.
But um, maybe you could just,you know, especially from an
investment standpoint, uh, howhow were people able to invest
in you?
How were you able to invest inyour faith, even when you're
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moving around a lot?
You know, I think we've heardsome other testimonies this
year.
That's a challenge when youcan't settle somewhere.
And so the investment becomesshort-term, you know, both those
into you and out.
So maybe uh just share a littlebit about how that played out
for you guys.
SPEAKER_02 (05:55):
It played a lot out in my life.
I I did give my life to the Lordwhen I was 12, but then I really
didn't have anyone disciple me.
So there were a lot of mistakesmade in between fully
surrendering again, you know,and I already had my children
when I did that, even though uhI was always praying and always
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a believer.
Um I came to a point, and andwhen we were in the military, we
moved every three years or less.
Um but always pointing the kidsto church, we would always take
our children to church, see thatthey got there.
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But there was one time we werein Mountain Home, Idaho, which
is pretty far away.
I forgot where that state wasactually when Dave told me we
were moving there.
And uh there was uh I lovedchildren's music.
Um, and someone um in a VBS whenDave was remote had invited my
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children to go to Bible school.
And we learned these wonderfulsongs.
I love them.
We started singing them, andthen I got really involved in
children's music.
But there was a pastor's wife,Cindy, she's still my wonderful
friend today.
We were nurses together um at alittle hospital there in Idaho.
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But she uh did wonderfulChristian musicals with children
down by the creek bank was theone that she did um with my
kids.
And I learned from her.
And then when we moved to Spain,I think Spain, uh, I got
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involved and she taught me howto do it, so I did that.
So um, and it was wonderful, andit and we just kept growing in
the Lord from all of that, youknow, he had a plan.
You it it's a journey, you know,and so um just watching and
being away from our family wasdifficult, but I I really
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believe God just kept openingdoors and opening doors, and you
know, we're very thankful forthe people that we met along the
way and then that invested inus.
SPEAKER_00 (08:18):
Good connections, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:21):
As for me, I gave my life to the Lord uh in the last
assignment.
So Nancy really led the wayspiritually in our can in our
family.
Uh so, so, so thankful for that.
Um, I was involved in work andworked a lot.
I was in the last part of mycareer, I was in law
enforcement.
So crime and stuff happens noton an eight-hour schedule.
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So I was gone a lot.
And also two remote tours.
Uh when we talk about how howthe wife of a military member is
so important and deserves amedal, uh, whatever they're
giving out.
Uh, but you know, that her herguidance and and and this was
critical in the spiritual growthof Mark, Matt, and Ben, who all
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went to a um Christianuniversity, Liberty University,
afterwards.
It just the influence that sheput in at a very early uh part
of our family's growth was soimportant.
SPEAKER_00 (09:20):
Investment is important in all times and
always, right?
So really critical this month.
Um, just share a commonalitythat my brother's in the Air
Force and he's currentlyoverseas, and I know that's been
a challenge.
You know, he has three littleboys, and his wife has been, you
know, having to you know carryon the parenting and uh pouring
into them.
(09:41):
Less due to technology, they canFaceTime, but he's on a
real-time difference, sochallenge.
But uh just uh fortunately he'scoming home soon.
I know they're looking forwardto that because uh you need
that.
But but anyway, uh great, greatstory.
I know again, we could go on along time, but we do want to
specifically talk aboutinvesting from the standpoint of
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the older generation, you know,the seasoned adults.
Uh I loved when Ash and I firstcame to Lifehouse learning about
the salt ministry being seasonedadults living triumphantly.
Uh, we we found that very cleverand and very unique.
I had not heard that before.
You have to give credit toBonnie King.
Shout out to Bonnie King.
(10:22):
Yeah.
But just talk about us, youknow, for us about uh the heart
behind that, you know, how it'sso important in our churches.
You know, we see uh variouschurches that fall into
different age demographics.
But why is it so important, youknow, that our seasoned adults
stay active in the church,continue to invest, uh not just
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fade away.
So maybe talk a little bit aboutyour heart for that in in the
ministry.
SPEAKER_02 (10:48):
Well, being in SALT, um uh it's fun uh to be together
and to do things, but um the theone of the my favorite things to
do is to serve.
And so we uh all of us uh well ateam of us have invested in VBS.
(11:11):
We work with VBS, we love it.
It connects us not only to thekids, but the younger adults
that are serving and themiddle-aged adults that are
serving and and just gives uspurpose and it's a way to serve
and to invest just by umtackling some of those things
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that like the snacks, um, havedone that for a while.
Um, we've graduated that over toor transferred it over to
someone else now, but we'llstill help um because we believe
in it so much and we believe umin getting um the younger
generation pointed in the rightdirection to Jesus and for them
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to be saved, it's so importantthat they know who Jesus is and
give their lives to him at ayoung age, you know.
And I that's one of my favoritethings about salt is serving.
SPEAKER_00 (12:10):
Yeah, opportunities for service in so many ways.
Yeah, it's you know, not to youknow, stereotype, but if you're
retired, you got lots of freetime on your hands to one would
think so, but then I think mostretired people I talk to are
busier than when they worked.
But but yeah, that opportunityto really serve, to give back to
the church, to you know, investin the next generation.
(12:32):
I know VBS, it's always great.
You know, we know snacks arewell handled because salt's got
it covered.
I know you guys do a lot withour daily bread, many other
things.
But Dave, anything you'd add asfar as kind of how we just I
it's so important too for theconnectivity.
SPEAKER_03 (12:47):
And I think that that uh really supports uh
unifying the body of Christ, ourbody of Christ here at uh
Lifehouse.
Um it's so easy if we don't haveuh some sort of a uh a plan to
get people together.
Uh that's what we try to do inSALT is to develop uh situations
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and events that can bring peopletogether so that we can meet new
people, that we can connectfaces.
If it's just uh at one eventwhere you're sitting at a table
with a couple people, uh atleast you get to know them and
you recognize them when they'rein church again.
And, you know, it it and on thebasis of Nancy of what she said,
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it it gives self-esteem if uhpeople our age can know that
they can do something.
And sometimes I I think that um,you know, if you're in a
situation where what am I doingjust coming to church and
receiving the message, which isa good, it's a lot, but just to
have a part in in serving andbeing obedient to the call that
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God places upon us that we weneed to reach out and touch
other people.
So um, yeah, that's importantfor SALT too.
SPEAKER_00 (14:04):
Very critical.
What would you say is usuallysome common reasons people, you
know, in in your demographicdon't, you know, why do they
feel they fade out?
Is it, you know, kind of lack ofopportunity or you know, just
kind of fading into retirement?
What would be your encouragementfor what you've maybe kind of
commonly seen of people in thechurch who don't engage and and
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invest in the the golden years?
SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
I think serving is so important um because you
become isolated and that's nevergood.
Um and just when you have apurpose it's it's and and it's
serving the Lord, you know, itit just gives you joy and peace
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and and those good things thatcome.
And it and what do you do if youget isolated and you stay home,
then maybe you're watching TV oryou're on the phone and um doing
those kinds of things is notgood for you.
SPEAKER_03 (15:12):
So yeah, just uh as Nancy was talking, I was
thinking of grandparenting andhow important it is because
that's connected to our agegroup, and uh we've been trying
to bring that um that activityuh to the forefront in SALT
(15:32):
through uh uh a couple timeswe've we've uh offered the uh
grandparenting matters course.
Uh hopefully we'll begin to domore.
Again, it's time, as you weresaying, uh Nathan.
It's surprising how our agegroup, if you are involved in
church, the calendar does getfull.
(15:53):
And so it's having the time todo uh all that we want to do.
And you know, we're we'rehopeful that in the
grandparenting, and maybe I canuse this forum of whoever's
listening, uh, that there wouldbe uh a person or people who
would be wanting to get involvedin in some sort of a
grandparenting ministry um, youknow, within Lifehouse because
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uh uh it is important.
And it is important when youthink of grandparenting, you're
thinking of 60s, 70s, and 80s.
But you know, uh people arebecoming grandparents at 40.
And if I have any testimony, Idid not really, I can share that
I did not have the rightperspective on what I could be
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as a grandparent at when Ibecame one, I think 42.
I'm not sure I'm trying to countback, but you know, I was more
involved in work and and otherthings, and and you know, uh
Nancy, and usually uh thegrandmother doesn't have any
problem being a grandmother, butit's the grandparents, uh grand
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uh father that does in a way,most I want to say most, is that
how how important it is for themto be involved.
Um grandparents at their 40s andalso the grandfather.
And so that's important.
SPEAKER_00 (17:18):
Yeah, so maybe good segue there.
And I know you guys have kind oftaught that class of why
grandparenting is important, andas you said, in our culture,
it's getting younger, and youall are blessed to be great
grandparents to multiple greatgrandchildren.
So, you know, obviously, in kindof an overview, what are some
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key principles, you know,especially as you've taught that
class, as you've ministered toothers who walk, and as you've
learned, you know, byexperience, what are some of the
key principles you wouldencourage, you know, when it
comes to investing in yourgrandkids and what kind of role
you should have, you know, insupporting both your children
who are now parents and andthose grandkids?
SPEAKER_02 (18:00):
Well, the grandparenting matters class was
excellent to talk about that andaddress those things.
There's so many things, youknow, there are um families that
have a mom and dad in the home,and there are families that
don't, and there are familiesthat um maybe their kids aren't
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in church, and so theirrelationships are strained, and
it it really addressed how to ummaybe be wise.
I think wisdom was a key thingthere, and I have to, in defense
of Dave, when he talked aboutnot being, you know, where he
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was uh as a grandparent, he wasa farmer and working from sunup
to sundown, and I think he did apretty good job providing there
for uh things that we got to dowith our grandchildren.
So uh part of it is, you know,um planning not to be so busy,
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but there are times when youjust have to be.
So somebody has to pick up thethe the slack and go.
But um together, you know, itit's good.
But you talk aboutgrandparenting matters.
You taught the class, but it wasnot getting off the hook here.
No, he's not.
He was very, very good at it.
SPEAKER_03 (19:24):
So well, uh, you know what comes to my mind is
you have to be humbly proactive.
I mean, there's a role that agrandparent plays that they're
no longer the parent.
In fact, one of the principlesof grandparenting is that you're
fired as a parent.
And, you know, you can say thatin tongue-in-cheek, but it
really is true that you know,your your kids are now raising
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your grandkids.
And so, you know, what part doyou play?
Uh, you know, we're you know,maybe for the guy, talking about
the grandfather again, it's allabout throwing the ball and you
know, doing saying things maybeathletically or or it doesn't
have to be that, it'd be otheractivities, but you know, it's
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uh it's the importance ofspiritual involvement in your
grandkids from a very, very goodage.
Um, some of the things that cameout in the grandparenting chat
class is is how to do thatsometimes when your kids aren't
on board, when your kids aren'tgoing and on going to church,
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and how you do that humbly butstill proactively as as you were
invited to do or allowed to do.
Um, it's a difficult role thatyou now full fill as a
grandparent.
And in there's so much, I mean,could talk a long, long time
about the things that uh toencourage uh grandparents uh to
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be proactive, humbly.
I want to use that word, humblyproactive, in playing a part, a
real part in theirgrandchildren's lives, even
young to teenagers, beingavailable, being uh in in now in
our day and age of the socialmedia and things like that, uh
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you know, I you need toencourage, and I'm not so good
at it, but grandparents need tobe social uh the social media uh
savvy uh because theirgrandkids, grandkids are.
So, you know, it's I I couldtalk a long time about that, but
those are the things that cometo mind right now.
SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
What would you say are some of the key do's, you
know, as grandparents?
I know you kind of sharedthere's some you know,
navigating waters, you know, theBible tells us children are like
arrows, you know, you send themout, so as you as you put it,
you know, you're fired, youknow.
So you're not the parent.
So how do you need to be, whatdoes being humbly, you know,
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proactive look like, you know,in terms of some do's that you
should do as as a grandparent?
SPEAKER_03 (22:05):
Know what they're doing, uh be involved.
I mean, it's it's uh of coursewe got uh grandkids that are
athletically involved, so that'seasy.
I mean, we we can and we alwaystry to be present, uh, what
they're doing in in uh beingaround uh Middletown and having
some a set of grandkids near.
(22:27):
Uh, but we had a set ofgrandkids that are far and and
always trying to make the effortto do that.
Um, you know, I I I pick this upin the Grandparenting Matters uh
class, uh, but uh you pick a youcan pray, and I know Nancy does.
She prays for all of ourgrandchildren daily.
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I'm more the man guy, and uh Iconcentrate on one per day.
And I really find greatfulfillment in that uh because
if I do pray, then I gotta knowwhat's going on in their lives.
What do I pray for them for?
So I really try to connect withthem weekly.
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So one per day.
I sometimes I have to split themand I include my kids and
daughter-in-laws in this becauseI I they're important too for me
to pray for.
Uh, but it's just not a generalprayer.
I really try to isolate thespecific things that are going
on in our lives, what they'restruggling with, and and to give
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them encouragement and to givethem um uh Bible verses that
mean a lot to me.
Um and so it's the spiritualinvolvement that that I really
cherish that that I am able todo this with my grandkids.
I am so blessed that that all ofour kids are believers, so that
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we don't have we're not buttingup against uh the fight.
And I know that there'sgrandparents that are that are
having trouble looking onFacebook about what their
grandkids are doing.
It's just a heartache, you know.
But you know, I I I if you arein that mode of of really
struggling to have arelationship, I say keep trying.
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I mean, because I think you'rein a role that our grandkids
will listen to you, just tohumbly be proactive.
SPEAKER_00 (24:21):
I think if I could summarize that, then it's
presence, prayer, andperseverance.
You know, you really need to bepresent with them, being active,
being there with them, as wellas praying.
Can't discount that, but thenpersevering, even if you are in
that situation where they're notin the spiritual walk you know
that you would like to see fromthe wisdom you've gained over
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the years.
So can conversely, what are somedon'ts?
What are things maybegrandparents do that you know
gets maybe over involved oroversteps, or what would you say
are some common grandparentingdon'ts and when it comes to
investing in in your kids andgrandkids and even great
grandkids, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:05):
Oh, just never give up.
Um, like Dave said.
Um don'ts don't try to maybedecide maybe you're looking and
you're like, what are theyeating that for?
Or you know, I just talked tosomebody last week that said
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when the kids came for um avisit, uh, they had some kind
they wanted to do nutritiousfood.
That's what the parents wanted,so they did um do that for
lunch.
But then when it came time fordinner, they had ice cream for
dinner, and that was okay, youknow.
(25:51):
Um, but I do think that whenparents have certain rules, you
you have to be open to you knowfollowing those the best you
can.
And um I don't know.
Hope your kids don't hurt them,right?
SPEAKER_00 (26:09):
Don't don't be uh countering your your children's
parenting.
SPEAKER_02 (26:14):
Support, support the parents.
I think that's huge.
Um always look at the waythey're directing their
children.
Not I mean, not if it's wrong,not if it's something that is
not in God's word for the truth,but you know, you always try to
support them in the decisionsthat they that they have for
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their children, if they'reright.
SPEAKER_03 (26:38):
You know, I it's easy for us to think about, you
know, what we did when we weregrowing up, and then see our
kids, you know, in what they'redoing, and and question
ourselves of geez, are theydoing things the way that
they're supposed to be doing?
You just have to let them livetheir lives.
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I I mean, not only are you notare you fired as a parent as a
way of how you'd raise theirgrandkids, but I think that you
know you have to be so carefulas as a grandparent of of what
you really involve yourselvesin.
SPEAKER_00 (27:15):
Awesome stuff.
And so certainly would encouragepeople if they want to know
more.
Hopefully, we'll havegrandparenting matters, you
know, on the schedule again in2026 or going forward, but even
if not here, uh definitelydevelop your grandparenting,
right?
Don't take it for granted.
It's super important to continueto, I think, invest in your kids
as they learn to parent and thenyour grandcar grandkids,
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especially spiritually as theywalk.
So uh maybe a closing question.
I know, you know, when it comesto investing, you know, we talk
about really the importance ofmentorship, you know, Nancy, you
kind of mentioned that in termsof meeting some important
people.
What is the best way for youngpeople to seek out a mentor in
in the seasoned adultdemographic?
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Why is that important?
And and how should they approachyou guys in terms of finding
that somebody to invest in themand and somebody who has that
wisdom?
What would you say to that?
SPEAKER_02 (28:12):
I'd say look at someone they would like to be
like.
Look at um someone that haswisdom that they feel
comfortable and trust and askthem.
(28:33):
Yeah.
And yeah, they'll probably feelhonored, I would say.
Correct me if I'm oh they wouldfeel honored, yes.
But oh but maybe they would helpyou find someone else because if
you are mentoring three or fourpeople, you know, you that you
have to share the joy and ummaybe help help them find
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someone.
SPEAKER_03 (28:57):
Um that I mean, I I agree with what Nancy said in in
the way of uh of of really Iknow that they've got their
parents, but you know, if theyare entering a season of life uh
for um you know a decision, bigdecision, uh it it's it's
probably good to just uh uhinvite another opinion in uh
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that it's an older opinion.
And I think because we'veprobably experienced everything
that they're going through rightnow, or most of the stuff that
they're going through right now.
And and I know that our years ofexperience can help them in
that.
If it's just a one time deal ofuh they're at a season of making
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a big decision to feel free thatI'd like to have a cup of coffee
with you or something.
Um mentoring doesn't necessarilymean weeks and weeks and weeks
and weeks of it, but it's niceto maybe do a a one time thing.
Thing if you're struggling withsomething, you just need to ask
questions.
So I I I would hope that our agegroup would be able to do that.
SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
Yeah, really great stuff.
And I think maybe something aswe're closing out September, the
importance of, you know, wetalked so much about how we
invest, but making sure somebodyis investing in you.
You know, I think for you allespecially that's so important
of uh investing from your age,but then also would encourage
those, you know, in whatever ageyou're in, make sure somebody's
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investing in you.
Make sure you have somebody whoyou can lean on who has wisdom,
who has some seasoning, as yousaid, Dave, has been through
where you are.
You know, the Bible tells us inthe multitude of counselors, uh,
there is wisdom.
And so I think especiallylooking to those.
So as we talked about serving inthe church from the you know,
seasoned adult.
You know, I try to be, you know,using good language there,
(30:52):
right?
But uh make sure you'reinvesting.
And I know there's so much togive back, you know, from your
demographic.
We're so blessed here atLifehouse to have such a vibrant
salt ministry.
So, well, Dave and Nancy, Ireally appreciate your time.
Uh, Lifehouse family.
Uh, hopefully this has been anencouragement to you.
If you are a seasoned adult, getinvolved.
If you're a grandparent, youknow, step up and and be humbly
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proactive.
I think we've heard all of thosetoday.
And uh just make sure you'restill continuing to invest all
the way to the end.
But thank you guys for your timetoday.
SPEAKER_03 (31:23):
You're welcome.
Thank you.
God bless everybody.
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What's up, Life Talk family?
Welcome back to the Life TalkPodcast.
This is Nate coming to youtoday, and we are continuing our
journey through the month ofSeptember, all about investing.
And so uh prayerfully, you'vebeen journeying with us this
month.
We've heard from Jason Kreidler.
He started with generally uhbiblical view of how we invest
(00:38):
uh just multiple areas of ourlife.
And Jonathan Bush came on.
We talked about financialinvesting, and just last week we
heard from a lot of great staffhere: Tish, Danny, and Jarvis on
really how we can invest in ouryouth.
But today I am joined by twovery special guests, a dynamic
duo.
I have Dave and Nancy Lacey.
(00:59):
How are you all today?
We're great.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
We're good.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
Awesome.
Well, so excited to have youguys on the podcast.
I think we were talking firsttime.
So uh welcome to the podcast.
So glad to have you guys.
And uh, for those who don'tknow, you might recognize the
last name.
The Laishies are uh Dave andNancy are our lead pastor, Mark.
They're uh his parents.
And so talk about investing,right?
(01:23):
You guys investing in in thestaff here.
So I know you guys have anamazing story, still very active
in church.
And so uh today we want to heara lot about uh the ways you are
still investing, but before weget going, love to just get to
know you a little bit.
Want the people who don't knowyou, uh so Dave, I'm sure you'll
be okay.
We'll let ladies go first.
So uh Nancy, just share a littlebit about Nancy.
(01:45):
What should we know about you,your walk, and uh just your
heart for the Lord?
SPEAKER_02 (01:49):
Well, thank you for having us today.
Um, I you mentioned Mark um isour son, and we have Matt and we
have Ben, and we love our boysso much.
Um and the Lord just really hadto grab our hearts when we were
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young parents, taught us a lotthrough people who invested in
us.
Um, and we're a military family,so we moved around a lot.
I gave my life to the Lord whenI was 12.
Um, I had wonderful Christianparents um that invested in me,
(02:34):
took me to church, um, and auntsand uncles that were Christians.
I had some that were not.
But pretty much at this point inmy life, I look back and see how
they invested in me.
And I want to invest in mychurch, in my family, um, my
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nieces and nephews, even, youknow, when I'm around them.
So um, my grandchildren and mygreat-grandchildren love them so
much, but it it's just ablessing to be able to live
close by because we lived faraway for a long time.
So we're just thankful to behere and be a part of Life
House.
It's we've just watched it, it'sjust been a miracle, really, and
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it's a miracle that we're here.
Really, God opened the doors.
SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
And like you said, I think all of our stories,
there's somebody who did investin us, and and it's a
multi-generation thing.
So I praise God you had a greatfamily and age 12 and been able
to do a lot of investing sincethen.
So, Dave, tell us the thereader's digest version.
I always say, as I get older, Iyou know, your story takes a
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long time to tell.
SPEAKER_03 (03:46):
Especially when talking about our testimony.
SPEAKER_00 (03:47):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
Well, with that, I'll lead.
I gave my life to the Lord in in1988 in my 30s, uh late 30s.
And so uh uh although my myparents took me to church and uh
and I grew up in church, um, Iwas thinking as Nancy was
talking and uh investing.
I mean, uh I I I my mind goes toa grandparent that uh invested a
(04:14):
lot in me and uh who I look toas a spiritual um uh image to me
as I looked at him.
And even to this day, I mean, Ithink that I call back on my
memory of uh of really wantingto be like him and lead like him
in a family, uh, although my dadand mom were uh were believers
(04:38):
too.
And so uh I I also am thankfulfor people who other people who
do it did invest in methroughout my military career,
because I, as Nancy mentioned, Iuh spent 20 years in the United
States Air Force um and thencame home to a family farm and
uh farm for 25 years.
(04:59):
And then um by uh thesovereignty of God, both Nancy
and I will claim that, is thatit worked out that we could uh
come and be with Mark here inMiddletown, Delaware uh by the
sale of the farm.
So uh here we are, and we're sothankful.
We count our blessings thatwe're here.
SPEAKER_00 (05:18):
Amen.
So maybe it's a little bit onthe military, you know, how did
that play out in your faith?
I know we've heard from a few,like Jonathan Bush was in the
Air Force.
Uh, we are blessed to have uhveterans, people who have that
experience.
But um, maybe you could just,you know, especially from an
investment standpoint, uh, howhow were people able to invest
in you?
How were you able to invest inyour faith, even when you're
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moving around a lot?
You know, I think we've heardsome other testimonies this
year.
That's a challenge when youcan't settle somewhere.
And so the investment becomesshort-term, you know, both those
into you and out.
So maybe uh just share a littlebit about how that played out
for you guys.
SPEAKER_02 (05:55):
It played a lot out in my life.
I I did give my life to the Lordwhen I was 12, but then I really
didn't have anyone disciple me.
So there were a lot of mistakesmade in between fully
surrendering again, you know,and I already had my children
when I did that, even though uhI was always praying and always
(06:18):
a believer.
Um I came to a point, and andwhen we were in the military, we
moved every three years or less.
Um but always pointing the kidsto church, we would always take
our children to church, see thatthey got there.
(06:39):
But there was one time we werein Mountain Home, Idaho, which
is pretty far away.
I forgot where that state wasactually when Dave told me we
were moving there.
And uh there was uh I lovedchildren's music.
Um, and someone um in a VBS whenDave was remote had invited my
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children to go to Bible school.
And we learned these wonderfulsongs.
I love them.
We started singing them, andthen I got really involved in
children's music.
But there was a pastor's wife,Cindy, she's still my wonderful
friend today.
We were nurses together um at alittle hospital there in Idaho.
(07:25):
But she uh did wonderfulChristian musicals with children
down by the creek bank was theone that she did um with my
kids.
And I learned from her.
And then when we moved to Spain,I think Spain, uh, I got
(07:45):
involved and she taught me howto do it, so I did that.
So um, and it was wonderful, andit and we just kept growing in
the Lord from all of that, youknow, he had a plan.
You it it's a journey, you know,and so um just watching and
being away from our family wasdifficult, but I I really
(08:08):
believe God just kept openingdoors and opening doors, and you
know, we're very thankful forthe people that we met along the
way and then that invested inus.
SPEAKER_00 (08:18):
Good connections, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (08:21):
As for me, I gave my life to the Lord uh in the last
assignment.
So Nancy really led the wayspiritually in our can in our
family.
Uh so, so, so thankful for that.
Um, I was involved in work andworked a lot.
I was in the last part of mycareer, I was in law
enforcement.
So crime and stuff happens noton an eight-hour schedule.
(08:44):
So I was gone a lot.
And also two remote tours.
Uh when we talk about how howthe wife of a military member is
so important and deserves amedal, uh, whatever they're
giving out.
Uh, but you know, that her herguidance and and and this was
critical in the spiritual growthof Mark, Matt, and Ben, who all
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went to a um Christianuniversity, Liberty University,
afterwards.
It just the influence that sheput in at a very early uh part
of our family's growth was soimportant.
SPEAKER_00 (09:20):
Investment is important in all times and
always, right?
So really critical this month.
Um, just share a commonalitythat my brother's in the Air
Force and he's currentlyoverseas, and I know that's been
a challenge.
You know, he has three littleboys, and his wife has been, you
know, having to you know carryon the parenting and uh pouring
into them.
(09:41):
Less due to technology, they canFaceTime, but he's on a
real-time difference, sochallenge.
But uh just uh fortunately he'scoming home soon.
I know they're looking forwardto that because uh you need
that.
But but anyway, uh great, greatstory.
I know again, we could go on along time, but we do want to
specifically talk aboutinvesting from the standpoint of
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the older generation, you know,the seasoned adults.
Uh I loved when Ash and I firstcame to Lifehouse learning about
the salt ministry being seasonedadults living triumphantly.
Uh, we we found that very cleverand and very unique.
I had not heard that before.
You have to give credit toBonnie King.
Shout out to Bonnie King.
(10:22):
Yeah.
But just talk about us, youknow, for us about uh the heart
behind that, you know, how it'sso important in our churches.
You know, we see uh variouschurches that fall into
different age demographics.
But why is it so important, youknow, that our seasoned adults
stay active in the church,continue to invest, uh not just
(10:43):
fade away.
So maybe talk a little bit aboutyour heart for that in in the
ministry.
SPEAKER_02 (10:48):
Well, being in SALT, um uh it's fun uh to be together
and to do things, but um the theone of the my favorite things to
do is to serve.
And so we uh all of us uh well ateam of us have invested in VBS.
(11:11):
We work with VBS, we love it.
It connects us not only to thekids, but the younger adults
that are serving and themiddle-aged adults that are
serving and and just gives uspurpose and it's a way to serve
and to invest just by umtackling some of those things
(11:33):
that like the snacks, um, havedone that for a while.
Um, we've graduated that over toor transferred it over to
someone else now, but we'llstill help um because we believe
in it so much and we believe umin getting um the younger
generation pointed in the rightdirection to Jesus and for them
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to be saved, it's so importantthat they know who Jesus is and
give their lives to him at ayoung age, you know.
And I that's one of my favoritethings about salt is serving.
SPEAKER_00 (12:10):
Yeah, opportunities for service in so many ways.
Yeah, it's you know, not to youknow, stereotype, but if you're
retired, you got lots of freetime on your hands to one would
think so, but then I think mostretired people I talk to are
busier than when they worked.
But but yeah, that opportunityto really serve, to give back to
the church, to you know, investin the next generation.
(12:32):
I know VBS, it's always great.
You know, we know snacks arewell handled because salt's got
it covered.
I know you guys do a lot withour daily bread, many other
things.
But Dave, anything you'd add asfar as kind of how we just I
it's so important too for theconnectivity.
SPEAKER_03 (12:47):
And I think that that uh really supports uh
unifying the body of Christ, ourbody of Christ here at uh
Lifehouse.
Um it's so easy if we don't haveuh some sort of a uh a plan to
get people together.
Uh that's what we try to do inSALT is to develop uh situations
(13:08):
and events that can bring peopletogether so that we can meet new
people, that we can connectfaces.
If it's just uh at one eventwhere you're sitting at a table
with a couple people, uh atleast you get to know them and
you recognize them when they'rein church again.
And, you know, it it and on thebasis of Nancy of what she said,
(13:31):
it it gives self-esteem if uhpeople our age can know that
they can do something.
And sometimes I I think that um,you know, if you're in a
situation where what am I doingjust coming to church and
receiving the message, which isa good, it's a lot, but just to
have a part in in serving andbeing obedient to the call that
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God places upon us that we weneed to reach out and touch
other people.
So um, yeah, that's importantfor SALT too.
SPEAKER_00 (14:04):
Very critical.
What would you say is usuallysome common reasons people, you
know, in in your demographicdon't, you know, why do they
feel they fade out?
Is it, you know, kind of lack ofopportunity or you know, just
kind of fading into retirement?
What would be your encouragementfor what you've maybe kind of
commonly seen of people in thechurch who don't engage and and
(14:27):
invest in the the golden years?
SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
I think serving is so important um because you
become isolated and that's nevergood.
Um and just when you have apurpose it's it's and and it's
serving the Lord, you know, itit just gives you joy and peace
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and and those good things thatcome.
And it and what do you do if youget isolated and you stay home,
then maybe you're watching TV oryou're on the phone and um doing
those kinds of things is notgood for you.
SPEAKER_03 (15:12):
So yeah, just uh as Nancy was talking, I was
thinking of grandparenting andhow important it is because
that's connected to our agegroup, and uh we've been trying
to bring that um that activityuh to the forefront in SALT
(15:32):
through uh uh a couple timeswe've we've uh offered the uh
grandparenting matters course.
Uh hopefully we'll begin to domore.
Again, it's time, as you weresaying, uh Nathan.
It's surprising how our agegroup, if you are involved in
church, the calendar does getfull.
(15:53):
And so it's having the time todo uh all that we want to do.
And you know, we're we'rehopeful that in the
grandparenting, and maybe I canuse this forum of whoever's
listening, uh, that there wouldbe uh a person or people who
would be wanting to get involvedin in some sort of a
grandparenting ministry um, youknow, within Lifehouse because
(16:17):
uh uh it is important.
And it is important when youthink of grandparenting, you're
thinking of 60s, 70s, and 80s.
But you know, uh people arebecoming grandparents at 40.
And if I have any testimony, Idid not really, I can share that
I did not have the rightperspective on what I could be
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as a grandparent at when Ibecame one, I think 42.
I'm not sure I'm trying to countback, but you know, I was more
involved in work and and otherthings, and and you know, uh
Nancy, and usually uh thegrandmother doesn't have any
problem being a grandmother, butit's the grandparents, uh grand
(16:59):
uh father that does in a way,most I want to say most, is that
how how important it is for themto be involved.
Um grandparents at their 40s andalso the grandfather.
And so that's important.
SPEAKER_00 (17:18):
Yeah, so maybe good segue there.
And I know you guys have kind oftaught that class of why
grandparenting is important, andas you said, in our culture,
it's getting younger, and youall are blessed to be great
grandparents to multiple greatgrandchildren.
So, you know, obviously, in kindof an overview, what are some
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key principles, you know,especially as you've taught that
class, as you've ministered toothers who walk, and as you've
learned, you know, byexperience, what are some of the
key principles you wouldencourage, you know, when it
comes to investing in yourgrandkids and what kind of role
you should have, you know, insupporting both your children
who are now parents and andthose grandkids?
SPEAKER_02 (18:00):
Well, the grandparenting matters class was
excellent to talk about that andaddress those things.
There's so many things, youknow, there are um families that
have a mom and dad in the home,and there are families that
don't, and there are familiesthat um maybe their kids aren't
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in church, and so theirrelationships are strained, and
it it really addressed how to ummaybe be wise.
I think wisdom was a key thingthere, and I have to, in defense
of Dave, when he talked aboutnot being, you know, where he
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was uh as a grandparent, he wasa farmer and working from sunup
to sundown, and I think he did apretty good job providing there
for uh things that we got to dowith our grandchildren.
So uh part of it is, you know,um planning not to be so busy,
(19:04):
but there are times when youjust have to be.
So somebody has to pick up thethe the slack and go.
But um together, you know, itit's good.
But you talk aboutgrandparenting matters.
You taught the class, but it wasnot getting off the hook here.
No, he's not.
He was very, very good at it.
SPEAKER_03 (19:24):
So well, uh, you know what comes to my mind is
you have to be humbly proactive.
I mean, there's a role that agrandparent plays that they're
no longer the parent.
In fact, one of the principlesof grandparenting is that you're
fired as a parent.
And, you know, you can say thatin tongue-in-cheek, but it
really is true that you know,your your kids are now raising
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your grandkids.
And so, you know, what part doyou play?
Uh, you know, we're you know,maybe for the guy, talking about
the grandfather again, it's allabout throwing the ball and you
know, doing saying things maybeathletically or or it doesn't
have to be that, it'd be otheractivities, but you know, it's
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uh it's the importance ofspiritual involvement in your
grandkids from a very, very goodage.
Um, some of the things that cameout in the grandparenting chat
class is is how to do thatsometimes when your kids aren't
on board, when your kids aren'tgoing and on going to church,
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and how you do that humbly butstill proactively as as you were
invited to do or allowed to do.
Um, it's a difficult role thatyou now full fill as a
grandparent.
And in there's so much, I mean,could talk a long, long time
about the things that uh toencourage uh grandparents uh to
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be proactive, humbly.
I want to use that word, humblyproactive, in playing a part, a
real part in theirgrandchildren's lives, even
young to teenagers, beingavailable, being uh in in now in
our day and age of the socialmedia and things like that, uh
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you know, I you need toencourage, and I'm not so good
at it, but grandparents need tobe social uh the social media uh
savvy uh because theirgrandkids, grandkids are.
So, you know, it's I I couldtalk a long time about that, but
those are the things that cometo mind right now.
SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
What would you say are some of the key do's, you
know, as grandparents?
I know you kind of sharedthere's some you know,
navigating waters, you know, theBible tells us children are like
arrows, you know, you send themout, so as you as you put it,
you know, you're fired, youknow.
So you're not the parent.
So how do you need to be, whatdoes being humbly, you know,
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proactive look like, you know,in terms of some do's that you
should do as as a grandparent?
SPEAKER_03 (22:05):
Know what they're doing, uh be involved.
I mean, it's it's uh of coursewe got uh grandkids that are
athletically involved, so that'seasy.
I mean, we we can and we alwaystry to be present, uh, what
they're doing in in uh beingaround uh Middletown and having
some a set of grandkids near.
(22:27):
Uh, but we had a set ofgrandkids that are far and and
always trying to make the effortto do that.
Um, you know, I I I pick this upin the Grandparenting Matters uh
class, uh, but uh you pick a youcan pray, and I know Nancy does.
She prays for all of ourgrandchildren daily.
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I'm more the man guy, and uh Iconcentrate on one per day.
And I really find greatfulfillment in that uh because
if I do pray, then I gotta knowwhat's going on in their lives.
What do I pray for them for?
So I really try to connect withthem weekly.
(23:09):
So one per day.
I sometimes I have to split themand I include my kids and
daughter-in-laws in this becauseI I they're important too for me
to pray for.
Uh, but it's just not a generalprayer.
I really try to isolate thespecific things that are going
on in our lives, what they'restruggling with, and and to give
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them encouragement and to givethem um uh Bible verses that
mean a lot to me.
Um and so it's the spiritualinvolvement that that I really
cherish that that I am able todo this with my grandkids.
I am so blessed that that all ofour kids are believers, so that
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we don't have we're not buttingup against uh the fight.
And I know that there'sgrandparents that are that are
having trouble looking onFacebook about what their
grandkids are doing.
It's just a heartache, you know.
But you know, I I I if you arein that mode of of really
struggling to have arelationship, I say keep trying.
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I mean, because I think you'rein a role that our grandkids
will listen to you, just tohumbly be proactive.
SPEAKER_00 (24:21):
I think if I could summarize that, then it's
presence, prayer, andperseverance.
You know, you really need to bepresent with them, being active,
being there with them, as wellas praying.
Can't discount that, but thenpersevering, even if you are in
that situation where they're notin the spiritual walk you know
that you would like to see fromthe wisdom you've gained over
(24:44):
the years.
So can conversely, what are somedon'ts?
What are things maybegrandparents do that you know
gets maybe over involved oroversteps, or what would you say
are some common grandparentingdon'ts and when it comes to
investing in in your kids andgrandkids and even great
grandkids, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (25:05):
Oh, just never give up.
Um, like Dave said.
Um don'ts don't try to maybedecide maybe you're looking and
you're like, what are theyeating that for?
Or you know, I just talked tosomebody last week that said
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when the kids came for um avisit, uh, they had some kind
they wanted to do nutritiousfood.
That's what the parents wanted,so they did um do that for
lunch.
But then when it came time fordinner, they had ice cream for
dinner, and that was okay, youknow.
(25:51):
Um, but I do think that whenparents have certain rules, you
you have to be open to you knowfollowing those the best you
can.
And um I don't know.
Hope your kids don't hurt them,right?
SPEAKER_00 (26:09):
Don't don't be uh countering your your children's
parenting.
SPEAKER_02 (26:14):
Support, support the parents.
I think that's huge.
Um always look at the waythey're directing their
children.
Not I mean, not if it's wrong,not if it's something that is
not in God's word for the truth,but you know, you always try to
support them in the decisionsthat they that they have for
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their children, if they'reright.
SPEAKER_03 (26:38):
You know, I it's easy for us to think about, you
know, what we did when we weregrowing up, and then see our
kids, you know, in what they'redoing, and and question
ourselves of geez, are theydoing things the way that
they're supposed to be doing?
You just have to let them livetheir lives.
(26:58):
I I mean, not only are you notare you fired as a parent as a
way of how you'd raise theirgrandkids, but I think that you
know you have to be so carefulas as a grandparent of of what
you really involve yourselvesin.
SPEAKER_00 (27:15):
Awesome stuff.
And so certainly would encouragepeople if they want to know
more.
Hopefully, we'll havegrandparenting matters, you
know, on the schedule again in2026 or going forward, but even
if not here, uh definitelydevelop your grandparenting,
right?
Don't take it for granted.
It's super important to continueto, I think, invest in your kids
as they learn to parent and thenyour grandcar grandkids,
(27:37):
especially spiritually as theywalk.
So uh maybe a closing question.
I know, you know, when it comesto investing, you know, we talk
about really the importance ofmentorship, you know, Nancy, you
kind of mentioned that in termsof meeting some important
people.
What is the best way for youngpeople to seek out a mentor in
in the seasoned adultdemographic?
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Why is that important?
And and how should they approachyou guys in terms of finding
that somebody to invest in themand and somebody who has that
wisdom?
What would you say to that?
SPEAKER_02 (28:12):
I'd say look at someone they would like to be
like.
Look at um someone that haswisdom that they feel
comfortable and trust and askthem.
(28:33):
Yeah.
And yeah, they'll probably feelhonored, I would say.
Correct me if I'm oh they wouldfeel honored, yes.
But oh but maybe they would helpyou find someone else because if
you are mentoring three or fourpeople, you know, you that you
have to share the joy and ummaybe help help them find
(28:54):
someone.
SPEAKER_03 (28:57):
Um that I mean, I I agree with what Nancy said in in
the way of uh of of really Iknow that they've got their
parents, but you know, if theyare entering a season of life uh
for um you know a decision, bigdecision, uh it it's it's
probably good to just uh uhinvite another opinion in uh
(29:23):
that it's an older opinion.
And I think because we'veprobably experienced everything
that they're going through rightnow, or most of the stuff that
they're going through right now.
And and I know that our years ofexperience can help them in
that.
If it's just a one time deal ofuh they're at a season of making
(29:44):
a big decision to feel free thatI'd like to have a cup of coffee
with you or something.
Um mentoring doesn't necessarilymean weeks and weeks and weeks
and weeks of it, but it's niceto maybe do a a one time thing.
Thing if you're struggling withsomething, you just need to ask
questions.
So I I I would hope that our agegroup would be able to do that.
SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
Yeah, really great stuff.
And I think maybe something aswe're closing out September, the
importance of, you know, wetalked so much about how we
invest, but making sure somebodyis investing in you.
You know, I think for you allespecially that's so important
of uh investing from your age,but then also would encourage
those, you know, in whatever ageyou're in, make sure somebody's
(30:29):
investing in you.
Make sure you have somebody whoyou can lean on who has wisdom,
who has some seasoning, as yousaid, Dave, has been through
where you are.
You know, the Bible tells us inthe multitude of counselors, uh,
there is wisdom.
And so I think especiallylooking to those.
So as we talked about serving inthe church from the you know,
seasoned adult.
You know, I try to be, you know,using good language there,
(30:52):
right?
But uh make sure you'reinvesting.
And I know there's so much togive back, you know, from your
demographic.
We're so blessed here atLifehouse to have such a vibrant
salt ministry.
So, well, Dave and Nancy, Ireally appreciate your time.
Uh, Lifehouse family.
Uh, hopefully this has been anencouragement to you.
If you are a seasoned adult, getinvolved.
If you're a grandparent, youknow, step up and and be humbly
(31:14):
proactive.
I think we've heard all of thosetoday.
And uh just make sure you'restill continuing to invest all
the way to the end.
But thank you guys for your timetoday.
SPEAKER_03 (31:23):
You're welcome.
Thank you.
God bless everybody.
SPEAKER_00 (31:26):
Life Talk family.
We'll talk to you next time.
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