November 24, 2025 • 56 mins
A broken dishwasher led to a breakthrough. When an appliance repairman asked, “What church do you go to?” Jeremy and Cathy realized their biggest barrier wasn’t the lack of options—it was a lack of surrender. From that honest moment, their marriage and family took a different path: rooting in a Bible-preaching church, serving with their hands, and reframing parenting as their first ministry.
We share how expository teaching lit a fire for Scripture, why serving in AV and children’s ministry became a joy rather than a chore, and how daily habits like prayer and open conversations changed the tone of their home. Jeremy talks about discovering his role as a family shepherd and redefining work as provision, not identity. Cathy explains how a sticky-note Bible, small acts of presence, and steady discipleship formed trust—especially during the teen years.
You’ll hear practical, hard-won lessons on raising kids who face the world with conviction and grace: modeling before mandating, building foundations before the storms arrive, and keeping the home anchored in God’s Word. We unpack how to align your calendar with your calling, use everyday service to train your loves, and cultivate a family culture where “we get to” beats “we have to.” Whether you’re weary, drifting, or eager to go deeper, this conversation offers a clear map for turning work and home into worship.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:12):
What's up, Life Talk family?
Welcome back to the Life Talkpodcast.
Always great to have everybodyback with us for another
whatever day you're listening,but we launch on Monday, so
we'll just say Monday for thesake of the audience.
But we are here journeyingthrough the month of November
and the WeWork theme.
And I am joined by two of myvery favorite people here at
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Lifehouse Church.
I have Jeremy and Kathy Alrichtoday.
So, Jeremy, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
Hey, Nate.
Happy to be here.
Thanks for having us.
SPEAKER_03 (00:44):
Way to bring the energy today.
I love it.
And Kathy, how's Kathy today?
After a long school day, right?
SPEAKER_00 (00:50):
Very excited to be here.
SPEAKER_03 (00:51):
Awesome.
Well, good to have you guys.
And for the Life Talk family, itis we work.
And so this month we've beenhaving guests who we know are
just amazing servants, peoplewho really do a lot of work, a
lot of work here at Life House.
We know we have careers as well.
So it's a big sacrifice when weare working unto the Lord.
So we like to hear from them andbe encouraged and just how that
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really helps us transform.
But uh, as always, we want toget to know our guests.
So, Jeremy, we flipped the coin,right?
And Jeremy's going first.
So just tell us about Jeremy, alittle bit about who you are
growing up, coming to know theLord and just your walk.
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um my name is Jeremy Alrich.
Many of you probably may know meas the guy who moves the podium
sometimes.
Yeah, that's right.
So that sounds like yeah, I I umwe've been Kathy and I have been
coming to Lifehouse since 2016,I think.
Yeah.
So it's been a while.
Um, we've seen the church growand a lot.
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Um, but a little bit about me.
Um I grew up in a Christian homeand from the early from the
earliest years, my memories areof being in church.
Um my dad was a deacon at twodifferent churches.
We we we attended um one uhearly on in my childhood, and
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then we then we moved from alittle bit closer to home.
Um, but he was a deacon in both.
We were Sunday morning, Sundaynight, Wednesday evening.
We were we were that family.
Um and uh so I I I saw a lot ofserving and and working with my
dad.
And even even with mygrandfather before him, I I was
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blessed to have a good legacy ofum honoring the Lord through
through work.
My grandfather was a um a deaconat his church, the head the head
deacon at his church, and alsotook on the janitorial duties
there.
So I re I can I have uh earlymemories of going and helping
him clean the you know, replacethe toilet paper or make sure
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that the the halls were vacuumedin in the church that um that he
that he served at and attended.
SPEAKER_03 (03:02):
Um that was Indiana or Illinois, right?
Illinois, Illinois.
I grew up in Illinois.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
Yeah, right in the middle of the cornfields.
Yeah, that's right.
So um actually more soybean nowthan corn, but but that's
neither here nor there.
Um so I uh you know had thatheritage, that that Christian
heritage.
Um and from there, like therewas always there was a point in
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my life where I very distinctlyremember acknowledging my need.
It was in sixth grade, Iprobably was around 11 years
old, um where I acknowledgedthat my need for for Jesus
repented of my sins and and andand you know asked him to be the
Lord in my life.
Um and then from then on, um itwas I well, I'd I'd love to say
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it was like this uphill like itwasn't all smooth sailing.
No, it didn't.
It it I the there was a periodlike for like I didn't really
know I uh what it was to be aChristian and having that like
uh having that discipleship likerelationship with someone.
Um and and I'm not gonna saythat I'm not you know gonna say
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anything that anybody didanything wrong, but that was uh
an area I think in my life thatwas missing.
Um and to the but you know, so Icontinued on in my in my high
school and in college, went to aChristian high school, went to a
Christian college, um, butdidn't but even though I was
saved, I didn't have that likefoundation of discipleship.
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What does it mean to be a truedisciple?
And for me, that turned into uma little bit a lot of like,
well, how far can I step my toeover the line before before I
become before I've crossed theline?
And if and as anybody who's donethat knows, is the moment you
turn around and look at theline, you're already in the
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wrong direction.
And um, so we there was a lot ofthings that like that I played
with fire and I got burned.
And then then and as I playedwith more fire, like I became
shackled into certain sins thatthat were uh that I brought into
our marriage, um, and and youknow, overtly and also covertly
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into our marriage.
Um and I'm gonna stop for aminute because I'm gonna let
Kathy bring us up to speed onher on her testimony.
SPEAKER_03 (05:22):
We got the couple's testimony here.
We gotta we gotta share themics.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:26):
So mine is a little bit opposite.
I did not grow up in a Christianfamily.
My mom did grow up in aChristian family, but then she
was your typical um 1960shippie.
So she went the completedifferent direction.
Um my a little background is myparents divorced when I was one
month old, so my dad was notinvolved in my life at all.
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And um we went to we lived in uhOhio, and then my mom, being the
hippie that she was, fell inlove with the Native American
culture and moved us practicallyin the middle of the night to
Arizona.
And um, so we moved there when Iwas four, and she was a working
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mom but and a single mom.
And I did have an older sister.
I still do have a single sister,but she was seven years older
than me.
So it was she was an oldersister, but she was almost like
a second mom.
It wasn't like a sibling that Icould, you know, play with or
anything like that.
Um there was a lot of a lot ofmoments when I was alone.
I remember being alone a lotbecause my mom was a working mom
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and then she also had somealcohol issues.
So she was after work to go tothe bar.
And so I was a very, verytypical 80s kid who had a key
around her neck and the latchkeykid, and came home and let
myself in and ate my bowl ofcereal in front of the TV and
until somebody came home, whichwas, you know, around eight or
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nine, and then noresponsibilities, no one telling
me what to do.
Um just a lot of time alone.
I just remember being alone alot.
And um then my mom, unbeknownstto us before, had developed um
hepatitis, and the story behindit is a lot, it's very
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complicated.
But she basically got bloodtransfusion and when my sister
was born, and back in 1970,something, they didn't test the
blood, and it had hepatitis init, but they didn't know that.
And so she had it in her systemfor 19 years.
So by the time they did find it,she had already had a ruined
liver, and um, it was kind oflike hepatitis of the early 90s
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was like the age of the 80s,like people were just
discovering, oh my goodness,it's in the blood, and we need
to start screening for it.
And um, so she actually passedaway like a week before her
liver transplant, and that shewas supposed to like be up for.
And um, she passed away when Iwas 13, um, a week before my
eighth grade year.
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So I went from being alone alot, uh, having no
responsibilities, no onechecking in, no one telling me
what to do.
Um I was very I look back nowand I'm like, wow, uh God's hand
was on me then because I didn'tget in trouble, but I just could
have very easily because no onewas watching me or taking care
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or guiding or anything.
And um, and it was no fault ofmy mom.
Like I look back now and I'mlike, she just she was doing
what she could.
And uh so anyway, she passedaway a week before my eighth
grade year was supposed tostart.
And because my father wasn'tinvolved in my life more than
just sending an occasional checkonce in a while, um, I mean, I
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would go visit him once in ablue moon, but there wasn't a
relationship, and so it was inmy mom's will not to live with
my father, but to live with herparents, which were my
grandparents, and I did knowthem.
Like, um, we met, I mean, wewould see them at Christmas
time, and it was a verygrandparent y holiday
relationship, and they lived inFlorida, and so um my mom passed
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away on the August 13th.
Um, her funeral was on like the15th or 16th, and I moved to
Florida on the 17th.
So it wasn't even a week.
And then I started eighth gradelike the 19th or 20th or
something like that.
So, like before a week hadpassed, I lost my mom, I lost my
sister, I lost my home, I lost mwhere I lived for almost 10
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years, and um you were in themiddle of a hurricane.
In the middle of a hurricane,yeah.
Hurricane um Andrew, which waslike a category five huge
hurricane, like hit like the dayI landed.
It was just like, what ishappening?
Um I, you know, went fromArizona where we had dry storm,
do you have wind storm to likeFlorida where it's like wet.
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And it's I I was I didn't mywhole world was upside down.
I didn't know what was going on.
And at that point, it was alsoboth my grandparents were alive,
and it was my grandmother and mygrandfather who were raising me,
and they put me in a privateChristian home or in a private
Christian school as well.
And I went from having nosupervision to having all
supervision.
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Um getting myself up and dressedand wearing whatever I wanted
to, now you're wearing auniform.
I mean, it was like the pleatedskirt and the button.
It was like the wholenine-year-old Christian school.
And um being able to do whateverI want to.
Oh no, we sit at the table toeat.
Like I would eat, you know, infront of the TV and on a TV
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stand or whatever.
And she's like, no, we eat homemeals, homemade meals at the
table and we say prayers and wedon't like it was a whole big
thing for me, a big change.
And um I I fought it, but Ididn't being the people pleaser
that I am, I didn't externallyrebel, but inside I was just
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like, what is happening?
Like what I mean, I don't evenknow what which way is up, let
alone, you know, what's going onhere.
Um, but I see it now that thatwas just like the I hate it's
hard to say, but it was the bestthing that ever happened to me.
And um God just plucked me outof a horrible situation and put
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me in a beautiful place that Ican see now, his his hand.
Um unfortunately, my grandfatherpassed away two years after
that.
And so it for the majority of myhigh school time, it was just my
grandmother and I.
And I loved my grandfather, hewas a wonderful man.
He was a he was a um Navy man,World War II Navy soldier, and
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so he ran his household like heran his ship.
Like, I mean, you could bounce aquarter off the bed, like that
was just the way he raised hishis family back in the 50s and
60s, and it didn't matter thatit was the 90s, he was gonna
raise them that way.
So I was always uh joking aroundthat I was like their fifth
child because they have fourkids and then me.
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And so um it was honestly likeone of a life it was definitely
a life changing.
I was put into a a church and umput into a Christian uh school
where I got involved withChristian friends and um that
were like normal, you know, andit wasn't just like I wasn't
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looking at Christianity from theoutside saying, oh, those weird
kids that, you know, have to bewatched all the time, or they
can't do this, or they can'tlisten to that, or they can't
listen to that music, orwhatever.
Um, I actually saw what it waslike to be a Christian teenager
and to still be cool.
Um and became friends withpeople that I'm still friends
with to this day.
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And uh it was a what wonderfulexperience.
And I saw what could happen if Ihad not embraced it.
My cousin lost her mom, my aunt,a year before my mom.
So my grandmother lost her twoof her daughters within like two
years of each other.
And my cousin was 13 at the timewhen her mom passed away, and
she went the opposite way.
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And there was just something inme, and I know it was the Holy
Spirit that was drawing me tothe Lord that I didn't want to
be untethered all my life.
And so um, that was where I wasintroduced to Jesus, and that
was where um in my early highschool, I was you know, 15, I
accepted the Lord.
And again, I kind of just didall the things that it I saw my
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friends doing.
I wore the shirt and and um Ilistened to that music and not
that music, and I went to thatconcert and not that one, and um
that radio station and not thatradio station, you know, I did
all the things that I wassupposed to do.
Then I went to college in WestPalm Beach and um I continued
doing checking all the boxes anddoing all the things I was
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supposed to do.
And then lo and behold, I metthis boy from the middle of
Illinois that decided to comedown to West Palm Beach.
And then um it was just it thatwas that was where Jamie and I
met was in college, and he wason his way out and he met me and
he decided to stay down there sothat we could push through a
relationship.
SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
Yeah, she was actually dating someone else
when we met, and so I had tolike, you know, be patient and
woo her to show her that I wasthe right choice, but woo me.
SPEAKER_00 (14:22):
It was all before it's funny though, because our
kids are now at that datingstage, and I'm like, we didn't
have phone, like he physicallyhad to call me up.
SPEAKER_03 (14:31):
Yeah, how did we do this, you know, before he was
swiping and all this stuff?
SPEAKER_00 (14:35):
Yeah, it's so foreign to them, but um, so
yeah, Jeremy and I got marriedin 2001, and we're coming up on
25 years, 25 years together.
Um, and we just honestly it'sreally kind of sad that I don't
remember a whole lot of thefirst seven years of marriage.
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And the reason why is like Ethanwasn't born until like seven our
seventh year of marriage andseventh or eighth or something.
And uh I just I don't rememberwhat we did with our time.
I really don't like we jokearound.
We're like, did we like watch TVall those years?
I don't know.
But anyway, we kind of just likewe did the cushion thing, but
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um, I'll let Jamie take over forthe Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:22):
So um we were we we talked a little bit about how we
met um in after we were married,uh, you know, we kind of just
stayed status quo.
Um we you know we knew that andthis was in Florida.
Yeah, still we were in Florida,yeah.
And so we um as far as our asfar as our uh our our our life,
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we went to work, we um we hadfriends, we we engaged with
people, um, you know, but therewas always this like, oh, we
can't find a church.
Like, and like I was, you know,like I mentioned earlier, like I
wasn't leading our family welldue to um you know, not
understanding what shepherdingwas, but also being also being
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locked down with with some sinsthat I was that I was struggling
with.
And um so we just had a periodof time where it was like, oh,
we can't find a church, we can'tfind a good church.
And um, and it that that thatturned into a you know a long
time of we can't find a church.
Like we love the Lord, but wecan't find a church.
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But do we, you know?
Um and we it was this there wasthis pivotal moment, and if I
could uh and I could uh if Icould title the story of our
testimony of our marriage, onething it would be like, thank
God for appliance repair, man.
So uh our dishwasher had brokendown one day, and we had we
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called somebody, I don't evenknow how we ended up calling
this this person, but the Lordworked it out that we were both
in the house, Kathy and I, whenthis guy came over um to fix our
dishwasher, and he startedtalking to us.
He's like, Oh, you know, he hewas starting to share his
testimony because he was aChristian, and you know, I was
like, Oh, yeah, we're Christianstoo.
And and and you know, we believein the Lord, and uh we accepted
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Jesus and he goes, Well, whatchurch do you go to?
And and then he said, Well, wewe you know, the standard line,
well, we haven't been able toreally find a good church.
Like, and he was like, Well, howlong have you lived up here?
Because it like the the area welived in was I've been it was a
lot like Middletown a coupleyears ago where it was like like
people were moving in.
So we moved in at like the boom,like right or right before the
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the boom in that area.
And so we had been there for uhprobably two to three years, and
and he he just and I told himthat and he just looks at me
like what this like just he wasjust I mean at this point it was
just love and and just speakingthe truth.
But he looks at us and he goes,You've been here for for two
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year for two two years, andthere are literally uh seven uh
Bible preaching churches withintwo miles of you, and you're and
you can't find a church.
SPEAKER_03 (18:03):
And this is a you problem, not a church problem.
Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
That's what he was saying, and like Kathy and I
looked at each other and we werelike, Oh my goodness, he's
totally right.
And I and we both can rememberthis moment crystal clear.
It was like a pivotal moment inour in our in our walks, um,
where we were like, you knowwhat?
We need like something needs tochange.
Um and so and it didn't changeimmediately in me, but we I I
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knew that it needed to change.
Kathy uh has always been like aa bit more uh I don't know what
the right word is, but she's ashe's uh I've been blessed with
a uh a wife that um well I thinkI come from my just my
background of not havinganything solid to like be
tethered to.
SPEAKER_00 (18:53):
I mean, tethered's not the right word, but I was a
Latsky kid that was on my own.
I was so much on my own.
I was always so in because I wason my own so much, and I think
I'm drawn to finding the thingthat I belong to.
You know, my dad didn't reallywant anything to do with me, my
mom passed away early, then mygrandfather, and then my my
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grandmother blessed her heart.
I mean, she just did the bestshe could and everything, but I
I was always like wanting tofind that place I belong to.
Like, you know, I'm I'm notthis, I'm not that, that doesn't
work.
And you know, and so that drewme more so probably than Jeremy
did, because Jeremy already hadthat foundation of being b in a
family that he knew where hewas, he knew who he was in his
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family, and he and I didn't havethat, so that's why I think I
had that little bit more of alike seeking out to find the
family that I belonged to sobadly.
SPEAKER_01 (19:46):
Yeah, so she um started uh trying out different
churches.
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
And I think Ethan was like a year old, so I was
still kind of using that as anexcuse before this point.
Um, you know, couldn't find achurch.
Ethan, who is almost 19 now, sowas like a year.
So I was using the whole like,you know, I want to look for a
nursery that's blah, blah, blah.
And I was kind of making excusesmyself.
SPEAKER_01 (20:10):
Yeah, and so we um she she comes home one day and
she's like, I found this reallythis this church I want us to
try.
And so when we went to uh it wasa Calvary Chapel church in
Florida, um, and we so we wentthere and they one of the things
that they talk about in their inthat in that church is they do a
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lot, they do expositorypreaching, like we do here.
Um and I and um when we gotunder that type of a teaching,
and when we got under likelooking at the love letter of
God from the beginning to end,and when we when we got the
foundation of the word right inour lives, some of those
shackles, it didn't take itwasn't immediate, but some of
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those shackles like they startedto fall away.
Um, and and as they did, likethings in our marriage changed,
things in our our lives changed.
We wanted to become moreconnected with the church.
We wanted to um connect, serve,grow, um, to give.
Um all of those things changedwhen we got the foundation
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right.
SPEAKER_00 (21:15):
Like, it was like the light just turned on of
like, oh, this is a personalrelationship.
This is not just a box wechecked because our parents told
us to check it, or you know, itwas it it was for both of us, it
was like a light came off and itcame on, and it was like, oh my
goodness, this is what Godplanned for us is to be for me
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involved and loved andsurrounded in all the things I
wanted so badly growing up.
And yeah, it's the one of myfavorite things that I remember
uh the pastor saying was theBible is a love letter.
And if you got a love letterfrom the love of your life,
wouldn't you read every singleword of it all the time?
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And it was, I mean, I can almostphysically feel the light going
off of my head, like of course Iwould.
You know, so that was right thenwhen I started my well, when God
just planted that seed of of thelove of the word.
I cannot get enough of it.
And um I just all the differentways to study it, and I just I
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love it.
And then people joke around andthey call me the sticky note
lady because I have sticky notesall over my Bible and
everything.
SPEAKER_03 (22:25):
I mean it's literally double the size.
SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
Yeah, it is literally so big because I just
love to dig into it so much.
And I think that was one of thethings that when he when the
Lord led me to understand whatit means to be loved by him,
even though I didn't feel thatlove from anyone else, not my
husband.
I I felt love from Jeremy, butfrom my dad, from you know, my
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sisters, she went off to collegebefore my mom passed, so she was
gone.
And I just felt abandoned in somany ways.
And then to find someone whoaccepted me and did not ever
abandon me was just a a completelife change for me.
SPEAKER_03 (23:06):
When you really understand that love, it kind of
leads into that.
Love is an action.
You know, we get too caught up,and we've talked about this a
little bit on the podcastprevious episodes.
We'll talk more in December onthe love topic, so we won't
spoil that.
But the real important thing Ithink that you're bringing out
is love leads to action, whichis you know, not a works to
earn, but truly when youexperience that unconditional
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love of God.
Well, how can you not respond?
How can we not, you know, bemoved to work to do the things
that, like you say, it's notchecking boxes, but to respond
in that love and and walk inthat, I think is exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
And I was so desperate for it, and he filled
it up.
And I just I kind of like Ican't bel I I still I still get
flabbergasted and think, oh mygoodness, he loves me so much.
He picked me out as a like Iwasn't an orphan, but basically
felt like it and just filled allthe areas of love I didn't even
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know I had missing, and whatelse can I do but to love him
back, and that's in serving.
So that's where it reallystarted to grow for us.
SPEAKER_01 (24:14):
Yeah, something that you just that you touched on,
Nate.
Um, I was reminded of the in inEphesians one where we've we've
we've been blessed with everyspiritual blessing, right?
So, like, how can we based onthat, like and how we have this
greater blessing in the newcovenant than even what the old
covenant was, like how much moreshould we serve and love and and
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connect and be part of the bodyum just because of the greatness
of that the Lord has poured outon us?
Like we get to do these things.
Honestly, we don't have to dothese things, we get to do these
things because of the the greatmercies of of the Lord, like the
the grace and mercy of the Lord.
Yep.
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Um so but you know, just tofinish off our story, like from
you know, once we got under theword and we really un we really
it became like that moment whereKathy said where it was like
that light bulb.
Um it's just it's been a uh asteady progression.
I wouldn't say everything gotperfect all of a sudden, but
it's been a steady progressionof just a desire for the word,
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like wanting to be connectedwith uh with with the Lord and
you know with the body of Christand and then and then you know
uh just serving in in in waysthat we can.
I started off um down inFlorida, um I did um a a couple
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of things down there, but mainlyin the A V ministry.
I'd also um helped facilitate umthe Financial Peace University,
I did and uh did a lot of smallgroup facilitation down there as
well with the um the small grouppastor.
Um but a lot of like my breadand butter was in the uh was in
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the A V ministry, which is whichI'm carrying forward to today.
Yes, I haven't stopped.
SPEAKER_03 (26:07):
So your old story reminds me too, Ash and I had a
similar yeah, I can't rememberthe exact sermon, but you know,
several years and it was in thelead up to us getting into
ministry, but we got in the carafter a sermon one day and she
just looked at me and she saidDo you think we're lazy for God?
And I just without hesitationsaid, Yes.
Like the Holy Spirit likeconvicts you.
It's just like, yeah, you know,like we're not walking that out
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responding, you know, if you'rejust kind of filling, you're
really missing out, like yousaid.
And so it's God will get a holdof you just in a good way.
You know, it's not a like, hey,I'm demanding something, I want
more for you in in therelationship and the walk.
So yeah, absolutely.
So Florida, you started to godeeper.
What's the story about gettingto Delaware?
How did that be?
SPEAKER_00 (26:54):
Um, well, the good news is that um in that whole
process when my mom passed, mydad did come to the funeral and
he did say, I want arelationship with you.
And so I knew I didn't want tolive with him.
Um, I didn't know him, and Iknew I didn't want to live with
him, but I did make a promisethat I would come up and visit
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him every summer.
And so from 13 until goodness, Ithink even after we were
married, 22 or something likethat, I came up to visit him.
He lived in Delaware, and thenum I came up to visit him every
single summer.
Now our relationship was verysurface.
Um, the good news is that I gota relationship with my dad.
The bad news is that my dadhated my faith.
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I mean, just abhorred it, justcouldn't stand it.
Every time I walked, I came up,it was like, oh no.
Well, they called me Katie andthey were like, Oh no, Katie's
here.
We have to be good, we have topray, we gotta bless our food.
Like it was all very sarcastic.
So there's zero support when itcame to that.
Um and but as a young daughter,uh young girl who zurned for a
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relationship with her father, umI still was wanted a
relationship, even if it was abad one.
I still wanted something,especially with my mom gone and
my grandfather was gone, and mygrandmother was not doing well
at all, and so I just learnedfor it.
Um he I mean he got cancer.
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Um well he had his cancer to getI mean he did get cancer, he got
prostate cancer, but it was umit kind of gave him this moment
of clarity of like, oh, I um Iwant to do better with my life.
So he um worked for um a portionof DuPont.
So he was a very wealthy man.
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And he had a very hefty um ininheritance and he wanted to
give it to us, um, but he alsowanted to share it with us.
And one of his he wanted to bethere to watch us use it instead
of wait till he passed on.
So one of his things was that hewanted to um move us up to
Delaware.
And at that point, just to becloser to us, and it was kind of
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that clarity of like, I want tobe with you, I want to in and
watch you enjoy the inheritance,and I want you to be part of my
life.
And of course, for me, I waslike, that's the best blessing
in the world.
My grand my father actuallywants me.
He wants he I've been, you know,wanting this forever.
And um, God was already playingin our heart for like a year
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before that.
We just we we really hated, wereally didn't like it.
I mean, it was year after yearof hurricane just beaten down.
We were on of the tropical part,you know, where the hurricane
came every single year, and itwas like, is this the year that
our roof is gonna fall off?
Like it it got really rough.
At that point, we had two littleones, and it was just like we
just didn't have the heart forit.
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Um, we loved the church and weloved our family that of friends
that we had there, but we justcould not deal with the weather
anymore.
Um, so and Jeremy being fromIllinois and that mid.
Midwest, I think he part of himwanted to like have that
actually experience season.
SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
Experience season not just humidity.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
And I went from Delaware where there was no
season to Florida, there was noseason.
So for me, I was like, I justwant something different, you
know.
Um, so anyway, that opportunitycame up when my dad's like, I
want you to come up here.
And so the inheritance was thathe was going to move us up to
Delaware.
And so he and for us, we werelike sign-sealed, delivered,
we'll do it.
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Just tell us when we were ready.
We didn't care like anything.
We were like, we're gonna do it.
So that's actually how we cameup to Delaware.
Is um that was what he wanted,and unfortunately that lasted
like a year or something likethat.
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
Yeah, I mean, we really saw it, uh thinking
looking back on that time, wereally saw um you know that the
door was opening, maybe he wasbecoming more receptive to you
know, a relationship with you,but maybe that was gonna lead
into you know being able to.
SPEAKER_00 (31:02):
Would he be able to listen?
Would he wanna would, you know,he be willing to listen?
Um short answer, no.
Um in 2019, he drank himselfpretty much to death.
Uh he passed away.
And um we in in hindsight, welook back and we go, oh my
goodness, he was probably didn'tknow what was going on for like
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many, many, many years.
Um my kids were like, What popup, they don't even remember my
my dad at all.
Um my old Ethan does.
Ethan remembers my dad more sobecause he was much he was the
oldest.
But um unfortunately he just helost his battle to alcoholism
and it it was really hard towatch.
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Um but there was a point whereit was like when he passed, it
was it was kind of like okay, Idon't have to I hate to say it,
keep trying to save him.
And um he I couldn't do itanymore, and it it was kind of
like God bless, I'm saying, Igot this.
You don't have to anymore.
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So um that's how we actuallyended up in you know, was trying
to get closer to my father.
But it was really neat to seethat God had his hand on it the
whole time.
You know, I love looking backand going like we couldn't have
put that together if we tried.
Like it had to be God the wholetime.
Just like different places, likewe came up and we didn't have a
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job.
We didn't have anything, and andJeremy, you know, got a job and
I got a job, and the kids gotplugged in, and um, we found
Life House and uh we knew whenthe minute we walked in, we knew
the second we walked in thatthis was was this was our
church.
SPEAKER_03 (32:46):
And um didn't take the two to three years in an
appliance repair man this time,right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:50):
So but we did we did attend another church in the
area for a little bit and thenbut and it just wasn't clicking
for whatever reason.
SPEAKER_00 (32:59):
Um but we did seek it for a while.
We were like, we're not justgonna hop around.
SPEAKER_01 (33:04):
Yeah, but we definitely were we're like
seeking out that connection andum and we uh you know when we
came into Life House like backin 2016, like it was just like
this is home.
It was like almost, I mean, ifthe Lord could have opened up
the heavens and shown down, likeit was for like I was like, this
is it, like this is and and thenwe you know we've been here ever
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since, but um, I don't knowwhere I'm not not sure I not
sure where you know that'sbasically it.
SPEAKER_00 (33:31):
Yeah, that's how we um we've been here.
We've raised three boys here,you know.
Um Caden was actually like sixmonths old when we came here
because we did.
We went to another church whenwe first came here.
I mean, I think we moved uphere, we actually moved up here
on your birthday in June, and Ithink it was all of like the
second weekend we were here.
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We were like, we're getting achurch, we're gonna find a
church, we're not gonna let thishappen again.
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
And I had already done my research before we even
moved up here because we werenot going to have the repair man
situation.
Yeah, so I had a list ofchurches that were, you know, we
were gonna go try all thesechurches out.
SPEAKER_00 (34:06):
Yeah, and we did, I mean, we did God even blessed us
in that other church becauseit's a Bible-believing church,
it's a nice church, it's awonderful people that go there.
We're still friends with peoplethat go there.
Um, nothing bad to say about thechurch at all.
It was really nice, and it gaveus a foundation for what we
needed when we were first comingup to Delaware, not knowing
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anything about it.
Um, but we did feel the therethey have a little bit of
different views on baptism, andthat kind of was one of our
biggest things, especiallyhaving young children who we
wanted to baptize, um, or havethem believe in believers'
baptism, and they didn't.
And so that was kind of our bigdeciding factor.
But um, yeah, Caden was sixmonths old, and I still remember
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the first time, the very firsttime we came to Life House and
Rob Light sat behind us, and hewas making faces at Caden the
whole time.
And Steph was like, I'm sosorry.
Like in the middle of astarting.
SPEAKER_03 (35:04):
Rob makes faces at everybody.
SPEAKER_00 (35:05):
Making faces, and it was like kind of getting Caden
going, like laughing.
And and I was like, no, it'sthis this the kind of family
that we have, is that they'reokay with the baby making funny
noises.
Because that was like the firsttime, so I wasn't putting him in
the nursery yet.
I mean, we I think we did thenext weekend, but um that was uh
I still remember, and and nowhe's 10, you know, he's almost
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11 years old.
And and but Rob was the firstone that was that that stuck out
to me that I was like, okay, ifhe's okay, and he was a you know
the worship pastor.
So if he's okay with it, thenthis is a family.
This is not a a place where youhave to be prim and proper.
Like this is it's okay to behere and be loved and be family
and laugh and let babies gurgleand make noise, and it's okay.
SPEAKER_03 (35:51):
So since then, like we say, using those A V gifts,
check in Kathy, if you checkedin at VBS or extravaganza or
like any event here, Kathy doescheck in.
So you've seen Kathy, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
If there's anything you have to check in, it's
probably with me.
Um, I'm a teacher, is my trade.
And so um I think teachers tendto be uh they want to reach out,
they they they like being aroundpeople.
And so yeah, that's how Iactually got first plugged in
was children's ministry.
I mean, I was a mom and then Iwas also a teacher, so it was
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natural for me to slip rightinto it.
Yeah.
And then as soon as Tish foundout that I was a teacher, she's
like, I have a place for you.
And I've never left.
Like I've always been involvedin children's ministry, and now
do the admin side where you knowI kind of help like with the
technology, you know, thetechnical part of it.
And Jeremy had brought me overto the A V, which I actually did
A V in Florida too.
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I he brought me to the booththen too.
I was um I'm pro-presenter acouple of times, uh, probably
for like a year or two.
Um, it was a lot lesscomplicated than it was up here.
It's like PowerPoint.
It was really, very simple.
SPEAKER_01 (37:03):
But it's funny because I was just talking to
someone yesterday about how thepro presenter today is less
complicated than it was.
Like I think the opposite.
SPEAKER_00 (37:13):
I was like, but um, so yeah, so we he got me into
the A V, and I think that wasmore just I wanted to spend time
with out of my real house.
I I love being around children,but that kind of gave me a break
from being around children.
I could be around adults, thatwas kind of nice.
And then um, yeah, as I'vegotten older, now I'm 25 years
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veteran teacher, I'm kind oflooking at like helping others
get the love for being in thechildren's ministries.
So that's kind of where I'vebeen.
A little where a littleeverywhere, wherever I can kind
of get in.
SPEAKER_03 (37:48):
I know you guys deacon team, many things, but I
do want to, as we were talkingbefore we jumped on the mics,
you all have, and especially theWe Work theme, a very big heart
for parenting.
Yeah, you mentioned having threekids.
So I'd like to just looking atnext year, you know, lifehouse
family, they'll be, you know,leading, um, you know, trying to
help parents because we weretalking, like it was kind of
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that parenting is work.
It's not just all fun and gamesand all that stuff.
So maybe just talk a little bit,you know, especially, you know,
just the heart for serving, andthat ties in, you know, to your
parenting and having your kids,you know, know the Lord as well.
That's your prayer, but howbeing in church, your serving,
and and just the work ofparenting, uh, you've seen that
in your lives, and your yourheart for people to know how you
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work to the Lord as as parentsas well.
SPEAKER_01 (38:36):
Yeah, so I'll jump in first on this.
Like um, something that the Lorduh opened up for me uh several
years ago, um, was that my firstministry and most important
ministry is to my wife and myand and my children.
Um and that takes precedent overaside from my relationship with
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the Lord of everything else.
I I go to my job, not becauseit's that my identity, but
because it supports my familyand that and that I can do
those, I can have that ministrywith my family.
Um I you know, I love serving atchurch, but it but it my my my
first ministry and the firstwork, the first job that I have,
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sometimes I'll joke about likewhen I get off work that I need
to go do my second job, but it'sactually my first job like is to
tr is to be a shepherd in myfamily and to guide and protect
and and you know steer mychildren towards the Lord and to
to to love my wife as Christloved the church.
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Um but yeah, did you have anythoughts?
SPEAKER_00 (39:47):
No, I just think that was like um, you know, such
a that was a big moment when youwent through with the book.
Oh, it's a book.
SPEAKER_01 (39:56):
So there's a so the the great book that I would
recommend to any dad who um orany husband is called Family
Shepherds.
SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
Yes, that's what it was.
SPEAKER_03 (40:04):
And that was go debuck him if if anybody's
looking to jump on that book asa recommendation.
SPEAKER_00 (40:09):
Yes, so and that was um, you know, he's like, okay,
I'm gonna do this small group,or maybe it was fours, I can't
remember, but you did this bookand it was I I fit I could watch
your eyes being opened to yourrole as a shepherd through that
time, and it was really it wassuch a blessing for me because I
remember praying back in Floridathat I kept hearing that the man
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is is in char is, you know, theleader of in spiritual matters
and everything.
And me not having thatpersonally, I was just I just
kept praying, God just just putthat desire in Jeremy.
And he did.
He and it to watch that prayercome, even though it was several
years later, to watch it comethrough is just I mean, uh it's
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amazing.
It's an amazing experience towatch that happen.
And so he then, you know,started realizing his role as a
shepherd, and um that justreally became the foundation for
us.
And it came, of course, at themost perfect time.
Ethan was starting his teenageyears, and we were like, what
are we doing?
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Like we have three boys, andEthan's our oldest, and we were
just like, What is teenagers?
What are we gonna do?
So uh he and I have to say,Ethan is an amazing teenager.
Like, we don't really have a lotto complain about, but you know,
they're just normal, you know,just changes in how you have to
change your parenting styles,and and uh we that that was kind
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of like a pivotal point for usto like, okay, we could continue
parenting the way that you knowthe world tells us we should
parent our our teenagers, butthe result is that they're not
close to the Lord.
And our goal is that Ethan wouldknow the savior for himself.
And so that was always thefoundation of how we were going
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to discipline him, support him,love him, pray for him was that
he would know Jesus as his ownsavior.
And we're very, very blessedthat all three of our boys on
their own timetable have come toknow the Lord as their savior
and very different ways, allthree of them very different
ways.
And um, I think a lot of it isGod has just put that desire of
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like we want to walk alongsideother families and help them.
Not that we have all the answersbecause we don't, but we want to
help be alongside.
We want to be in community withother parents that are like
wanting to do biblical parentingand just support and community
of teenagers.
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And now we have an adult, youknow what it's like to be a
parent of an adult at the sametime as a parent of a
10-year-old.
Like there's very wide logdifferences in ages, but and
they you have to parent them allso differently just for where
they are, but be how to befilled with the spirit in your
parenting.
And we we want to walk alongsideother parents and help them with
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that and just be part of thecommunity with that and support
them as we continue to you knowbring up our children.
And Jeremy's been leading smallgroups with for fathers, and um
we will be supporting otherparents as we start the Biblical
Parenting Initiative in 2026.
And so we're excited to seewhere God puts it and what he
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does with it and what umfamilies will he'll bring, you
know, together and maybe somehealing that might happen.
Um it's not all gonna berainbows and sunshine, believe
me, it's not, but well, I thinkwhat Jeroby said, you know, too
often look at parenting as itshould just be this fun thing.
SPEAKER_03 (43:48):
But you said it's not only a job, but your first
job.
And it is it is work, you know,too.
There is a lot of fun and joy inraising the kids, but I'm sure
you guys can testify.
And yeah, I mean, we'd love tocover it all in a podcast, but I
think this is a good preview of,like you said, too, surrounding
yourself with other parents,walking together, you know, the
old adage takes a village.
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It it really does, you know, youcan't do it on your own.
You need that encouragement andyou need that help.
And it's just like you're notreally running a company solo,
you know, you gotta have a team.
And so, same thing withparenting.
That don't look at it as likethe career, but I think, like
you said, Jeremy, too, likeyou'll work harder in your job
to provide for your first job,you know, for your family.
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Like, that's why we should befaithful in our work because
hey, that's providing for ourfamily as well.
We're being derelict, you know,but you don't get it out of
order.
Don't don't make that thepriority in your identity, like
I think you said.
SPEAKER_01 (44:43):
Yeah, you can't make it's a different different
priority, different ideas,different, it's a fundamental,
it's a shift in your mind ofidentity, of you know, oh I like
when if I oftentimes whensomebody comes up to you and is
like, well, what do you do?
Like, and this is and I'mborrowing this from probably the
fan the family shepherds book.
(45:04):
Um, but it it's actually really,really true.
Like, what do you do?
And like half for guys, what wewe oftentimes go, oh well, I you
know, this is what I do forwork, like you know, um, but and
that's that's an importantthing, but it's not who I am,
it's not my identity.
Like I'm a follower of Christ,and I'm I am a father to these
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three boys, and uh I I'm ahusband to to Kathy, and then I
go to work to do to support allof those things.
And I work hard at my work to touh because the Lord tells us to
um you know, whatever we do, doit as to the Lord.
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Um but it's not my primarymotivation, it's not where I
draw my value from.
Like I've draw I've drawn myvalue from Christ, and then I
pour into my family and supportsupport my family through the
thing I do vocationally, whichis supporting your family, like
you said.
SPEAKER_03 (46:03):
It's it's a tied to it, but not in front of it or
above it in any way.
100%.
Yeah.
So maybe talk a little bit too.
You know, you you talked abouthaving three boys, different
personalities, different ages,you know, how do you approach
that job of parenting, you know,really biblically, maybe give us
a preview, you know, give us thereaders dive just a lot of
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prayer.
SPEAKER_00 (46:24):
Yeah.
I think one of the big things isthat um Jeremy and I we we are
on the same page.
How we approach the the child orthe problem or the situation is
that we're on this on the samepage.
And the way we get on the samepage is through prayer.
We spend you know time in prayerwith them and with the kids and
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with each other and on our own.
And it's a lot, uh the wholething is covered in prayer
because it's it's God.
God has to move with thosechildren.
Um, God has to work in theirheart to we can tell them all
day long, don't sin, don't sin,or don't lie, or don't,
whatever.
But God's the one that has towork in their heart.
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And so our ultimate job is thatthey are their hearts are open
to listen to the Lord in asituation.
And so a lot of prayer.
Oh a lot of prayer.
SPEAKER_01 (47:15):
So I think that an important thing too, I agree
with you, um, is uh so much isis caught rather than taught,
right?
So like if and it really goesback to like when Paul said,
follow me as I follow Christ,imitate me as I imitate Christ.
So if I don't have it, I need tomake sure that I'm following the
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Lord.
And then out of that, out ofthat that love, we talked about,
we talked about love a littlebit, out of that love that it
that is being poured into methrough the from the Lord, then
I then I can pour that out to myfamily.
And then they can see that, theycan see me following the Lord,
and they want to uh, you know,boys and children, they want to
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follow their parents, they wantto, they want in that healthy
relationship, they want umthey're they want to be like
their dad.
Boys will want to be like theirdad, or you know, um and if I'm
imitating Christ, then thenthey're imitating then then
that's a good example.
That's the best example theycould they're then they're
imitating Christ.
SPEAKER_03 (48:19):
And I think too often job and work create
negative connotations, but itshouldn't in parenting, you
know.
We should be truly looking at itas a job and work and a
responsibility, but a joyousone.
And like you say, it's one whereyou can imitate Christ and be.
It was uh I think it's in ourmarriage study that you guys
were Martin Luther quote thatyou learn more about Christ
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through marriage and parentingthan you do spending like a
century in a monastery.
100%.
I've that will draw you closerto the Lord, like you guys are
saying, if you're not leaninginto the Lord, there's gonna be
many moments where you're gonnafeel lost and you're not gonna,
but the more you lean into him,pour that out into your family,
then that is what will createthat home environment and the
job goes well, the work is isblessed rather than drudgery and
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like oh, I don't want to gohome.
I want to go probably like why alot of guys go in their work
because they're not taking joyin their job as family, I would
say.
SPEAKER_01 (49:11):
Yeah.
And another thing that like likeI don't want everybody's gonna
struggle with like they and mykids are gonna have to have
their own relationship with theLord, um, but I want to set them
up for success.
Um, and I want and and the way Ican do that is to help disciple
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them, to to get them, to walkwith them in the word, to do,
you know, we can have familydevotions, spending one-on-one
time with them, talking, talkingwith you know with them about
what's going on in their intheir lives, uh, you know,
what's going on in their walks,um, diving in, opening up the
word with them um on a dailybasis, um, and just having them
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build that foundation so thatthey they know the truth because
when they go out in the world,um there the world's gonna come
at them hard.
And you know, it no matter ifyou go to a Christian school or
if you go to a public school orif you're homeschooled,
eventually you're gonna be outin the world.
And the world's gonna come atyou, and you need to have that
foundation of biblical truth,knowing who you are, you know,
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um in Christ, uh, so that youcan stand up to that, to that,
uh, to that battle that's comingon you.
SPEAKER_00 (50:30):
So we yeah, we see that with Ethan.
He's in uh he goes to UD andit's a blessing to watch all
those times that we sat theredoing family devotions and just
conversations and and he lovesmusic, loves music.
And so he will several timescome up and be like, Mom, listen
to this song.
And honestly, he loves Christianrap, and I it's not my cup of
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tea, but I will listen to it andI'll be like, What is the
message that you're getting outof it?
And then he can relate it to asituation he's had, and it opens
up these conversations of like,you know, this is what's
happening, and but to watch thatfoundation being built, watching
Jeremy and I, you know, I I'mright beside him, but he's
pulling those kids out, youknow, and sitting down and
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having time with the Bible withthem and talking to them, and
because he's the man.
And not that I can't do it, butI don't know what it's like to
be a boy growing up and to be aman.
So, like he's taking you knowprecedence of that and doing a
wonderful job with it.
And it's it's really such ablessing to watch a child who is
literally in the world rightnow, and he is standing firm and
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he has his struggles and he'sopen to talking about it and
saying, you know, like this wasreally hard or this was a
temptation or whatever.
But all that foundation work,all of those those opportunities
where he's still coming to usand still talking to us, and we
have a teenager in in highschool, same situation, and even
our you know, fourth graderwho's in a Christian school
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still has their problems andthey're still coming to us, and
that's because the relationshipthat they see is that we are
open with their each other, butwe're also open with the Lord.
And again, they are watching uswalk through the with the Lord,
and they're seeing us, you know,go through the the daily serving
of you know being with the Lordand and taking that time and
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setting that foundation.
And they are also they'remimicking us, and it's really
it's it's a blessing to watch.
I didn't have to tell them toset time away to do their
devotion.
I I never said, okay, this is onyour choice, you're going to do
your devotion for for so manyminutes.
And you know, they took theinitiative and they do it
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themselves because it isimportant because they have seen
us do it.
And it's it's really it's it'samazing to watch our children
use the foundation that Jeremyhas poured into them in the real
world.
And it's sometimes scary, notgonna lie, it's scary too, but
it is and the important part isyou put in the work to build the
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relationship.
SPEAKER_03 (53:08):
You know, again, kind of hitting on that theme of
parenting as work is if youdon't put in the work and then
you wonder why your kids don'ttrust you, why they're running
to the world, why they'rerebelling, it's because you
probably haven't put in the workto truly build a relationship,
like marriage, all these kind ofthings we're talking about.
It takes work, you know, evenour relationship with the Lord,
it won't grow if we're notserving and putting in some
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level of effort, not to earnfavor or earn our salvation, but
if you want to nurture and growthat relationship.
So whether it's parenting,marriage, all of those things, I
think that's the theme that youguys are hitting on.
And and while church isimportant, you have to do that
discipleship at home.
It can't be abdicated like,well, we'll just take them to
church on Sunday, maybe we'llsend them Wednesday night.
The rest of the week we won't doany work, you know, at all.
(53:52):
Well, and then you wonder whythe kids are being discipled by
the school system or society orculture or screens, you know,
it's too easy these days to justput a screen in front of your
kids and and do what you want.
You know, you're not working,you want to be easy about it.
So I think some themes we'repicking up there.
SPEAKER_01 (54:10):
Yeah.
So just a thought I was havingas you were speaking, like, is
that as I said earlier, like ourchildren ultimately have to make
their own choices.
And they would when they growup, they make their own choices
and and but the they're notgonna have that foundation if we
don't put in the work.
(54:30):
Like so they they're not gonnahave like if we don't put in
that work like that that you'retalking about, they they're
definitely gonna be, you know,uh at an on a sh at a
disadvantage when you when youcome when you go out into the
world and they are to make thosechoices and how what am I gonna
do?
Am I gonna follow Christ?
(54:52):
Am I gonna or am I gonna gothrough this other thing that
you know is not followingChrist?
Um so the work is important.
Like the work putting in thework today is important, even if
they don't, even if they make achoice down the road that is not
that is contrary to what I whatwhat I would believe, the work
is still important and it'sstill relevant and it's still
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valued, it still has value.
SPEAKER_03 (55:16):
Well, Jeremy and Kathy, it's been awesome time
with you guys hearing your storyleading into just the work you
do here at Lifehouse, but alsothe work you guys do at Parents.
Looking forward to the workyou'll be doing leading in 2026,
depending on audience whenthey're listening.
But certainly at Lifehouse, wehave a big heart to help
parents, to walk, to grow.
You know, it really is family,you know, like we talked about.
(55:38):
So I know you guys will belooking forward to that as well.
But any kind of closingthoughts, you know, whether it's
the appliance repair man or youknow, the shifts of you know,
family shepherding.
SPEAKER_01 (55:50):
No, I mean, I was just uh I I when you asked about
uh us coming on, I just thoughtmaybe you'd reach the bottom of
the list or something.
Absolutely not.
SPEAKER_03 (55:59):
I admit it.
Two of my favorite people.
All of my guests are goodpeople.
SPEAKER_01 (56:03):
But we appreciate you having us on.
It's been a great time talking.
SPEAKER_03 (56:07):
So Lifehouse family, certainly look for that next
year.
And you know, hopefully thisepisode has brought you maybe
that paradigm shift.
Maybe if you haven't had thatappliance repair man, you need
to get into church, be serving,you've been kind of hanging out,
or maybe that shift of, hey,parenting, I need to get
involved, get more engaged, youknow, treat it more as the work
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that God's meant to be.
We hope this episode's helpedyou, encouraged you, and uh
we'll look forward to seeing youall next time.
Thanks for tuning in to the LifeTalk Podcast.
If this episode encouraged you,please be sure to like, comment,
subscribe, and leave a review soothers can find this content as
well.
And we'll look forward to seeingyou next Monday for another
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great episode.
What's up, Life Talk family?
Welcome back to the Life Talkpodcast.
Always great to have everybodyback with us for another
whatever day you're listening,but we launch on Monday, so
we'll just say Monday for thesake of the audience.
But we are here journeyingthrough the month of November
and the WeWork theme.
And I am joined by two of myvery favorite people here at
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Lifehouse Church.
I have Jeremy and Kathy Alrichtoday.
So, Jeremy, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
Hey, Nate.
Happy to be here.
Thanks for having us.
SPEAKER_03 (00:44):
Way to bring the energy today.
I love it.
And Kathy, how's Kathy today?
After a long school day, right?
SPEAKER_00 (00:50):
Very excited to be here.
SPEAKER_03 (00:51):
Awesome.
Well, good to have you guys.
And for the Life Talk family, itis we work.
And so this month we've beenhaving guests who we know are
just amazing servants, peoplewho really do a lot of work, a
lot of work here at Life House.
We know we have careers as well.
So it's a big sacrifice when weare working unto the Lord.
So we like to hear from them andbe encouraged and just how that
(01:13):
really helps us transform.
But uh, as always, we want toget to know our guests.
So, Jeremy, we flipped the coin,right?
And Jeremy's going first.
So just tell us about Jeremy, alittle bit about who you are
growing up, coming to know theLord and just your walk.
SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um my name is Jeremy Alrich.
Many of you probably may know meas the guy who moves the podium
sometimes.
Yeah, that's right.
So that sounds like yeah, I I umwe've been Kathy and I have been
coming to Lifehouse since 2016,I think.
Yeah.
So it's been a while.
Um, we've seen the church growand a lot.
(01:50):
Um, but a little bit about me.
Um I grew up in a Christian homeand from the early from the
earliest years, my memories areof being in church.
Um my dad was a deacon at twodifferent churches.
We we we attended um one uhearly on in my childhood, and
(02:11):
then we then we moved from alittle bit closer to home.
Um, but he was a deacon in both.
We were Sunday morning, Sundaynight, Wednesday evening.
We were we were that family.
Um and uh so I I I saw a lot ofserving and and working with my
dad.
And even even with mygrandfather before him, I I was
(02:32):
blessed to have a good legacy ofum honoring the Lord through
through work.
My grandfather was a um a deaconat his church, the head the head
deacon at his church, and alsotook on the janitorial duties
there.
So I re I can I have uh earlymemories of going and helping
him clean the you know, replacethe toilet paper or make sure
(02:55):
that the the halls were vacuumedin in the church that um that he
that he served at and attended.
SPEAKER_03 (03:02):
Um that was Indiana or Illinois, right?
Illinois, Illinois.
I grew up in Illinois.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
Yeah, right in the middle of the cornfields.
Yeah, that's right.
So um actually more soybean nowthan corn, but but that's
neither here nor there.
Um so I uh you know had thatheritage, that that Christian
heritage.
Um and from there, like therewas always there was a point in
(03:27):
my life where I very distinctlyremember acknowledging my need.
It was in sixth grade, Iprobably was around 11 years
old, um where I acknowledgedthat my need for for Jesus
repented of my sins and and andand you know asked him to be the
Lord in my life.
Um and then from then on, um itwas I well, I'd I'd love to say
(03:49):
it was like this uphill like itwasn't all smooth sailing.
No, it didn't.
It it I the there was a periodlike for like I didn't really
know I uh what it was to be aChristian and having that like
uh having that discipleship likerelationship with someone.
Um and and I'm not gonna saythat I'm not you know gonna say
(04:11):
anything that anybody didanything wrong, but that was uh
an area I think in my life thatwas missing.
Um and to the but you know, so Icontinued on in my in my high
school and in college, went to aChristian high school, went to a
Christian college, um, butdidn't but even though I was
saved, I didn't have that likefoundation of discipleship.
(04:32):
What does it mean to be a truedisciple?
And for me, that turned into uma little bit a lot of like,
well, how far can I step my toeover the line before before I
become before I've crossed theline?
And if and as anybody who's donethat knows, is the moment you
turn around and look at theline, you're already in the
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wrong direction.
And um, so we there was a lot ofthings that like that I played
with fire and I got burned.
And then then and as I playedwith more fire, like I became
shackled into certain sins thatthat were uh that I brought into
our marriage, um, and and youknow, overtly and also covertly
(05:15):
into our marriage.
Um and I'm gonna stop for aminute because I'm gonna let
Kathy bring us up to speed onher on her testimony.
SPEAKER_03 (05:22):
We got the couple's testimony here.
We gotta we gotta share themics.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:26):
So mine is a little bit opposite.
I did not grow up in a Christianfamily.
My mom did grow up in aChristian family, but then she
was your typical um 1960shippie.
So she went the completedifferent direction.
Um my a little background is myparents divorced when I was one
month old, so my dad was notinvolved in my life at all.
(05:49):
And um we went to we lived in uhOhio, and then my mom, being the
hippie that she was, fell inlove with the Native American
culture and moved us practicallyin the middle of the night to
Arizona.
And um, so we moved there when Iwas four, and she was a working
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mom but and a single mom.
And I did have an older sister.
I still do have a single sister,but she was seven years older
than me.
So it was she was an oldersister, but she was almost like
a second mom.
It wasn't like a sibling that Icould, you know, play with or
anything like that.
Um there was a lot of a lot ofmoments when I was alone.
I remember being alone a lotbecause my mom was a working mom
(06:34):
and then she also had somealcohol issues.
So she was after work to go tothe bar.
And so I was a very, verytypical 80s kid who had a key
around her neck and the latchkeykid, and came home and let
myself in and ate my bowl ofcereal in front of the TV and
until somebody came home, whichwas, you know, around eight or
(06:55):
nine, and then noresponsibilities, no one telling
me what to do.
Um just a lot of time alone.
I just remember being alone alot.
And um then my mom, unbeknownstto us before, had developed um
hepatitis, and the story behindit is a lot, it's very
(07:18):
complicated.
But she basically got bloodtransfusion and when my sister
was born, and back in 1970,something, they didn't test the
blood, and it had hepatitis init, but they didn't know that.
And so she had it in her systemfor 19 years.
So by the time they did find it,she had already had a ruined
liver, and um, it was kind oflike hepatitis of the early 90s
(07:41):
was like the age of the 80s,like people were just
discovering, oh my goodness,it's in the blood, and we need
to start screening for it.
And um, so she actually passedaway like a week before her
liver transplant, and that shewas supposed to like be up for.
And um, she passed away when Iwas 13, um, a week before my
eighth grade year.
(08:02):
So I went from being alone alot, uh, having no
responsibilities, no onechecking in, no one telling me
what to do.
Um I was very I look back nowand I'm like, wow, uh God's hand
was on me then because I didn'tget in trouble, but I just could
have very easily because no onewas watching me or taking care
(08:24):
or guiding or anything.
And um, and it was no fault ofmy mom.
Like I look back now and I'mlike, she just she was doing
what she could.
And uh so anyway, she passedaway a week before my eighth
grade year was supposed tostart.
And because my father wasn'tinvolved in my life more than
just sending an occasional checkonce in a while, um, I mean, I
(08:46):
would go visit him once in ablue moon, but there wasn't a
relationship, and so it was inmy mom's will not to live with
my father, but to live with herparents, which were my
grandparents, and I did knowthem.
Like, um, we met, I mean, wewould see them at Christmas
time, and it was a verygrandparent y holiday
relationship, and they lived inFlorida, and so um my mom passed
(09:10):
away on the August 13th.
Um, her funeral was on like the15th or 16th, and I moved to
Florida on the 17th.
So it wasn't even a week.
And then I started eighth gradelike the 19th or 20th or
something like that.
So, like before a week hadpassed, I lost my mom, I lost my
sister, I lost my home, I lost mwhere I lived for almost 10
(09:33):
years, and um you were in themiddle of a hurricane.
In the middle of a hurricane,yeah.
Hurricane um Andrew, which waslike a category five huge
hurricane, like hit like the dayI landed.
It was just like, what ishappening?
Um I, you know, went fromArizona where we had dry storm,
do you have wind storm to likeFlorida where it's like wet.
(09:55):
And it's I I was I didn't mywhole world was upside down.
I didn't know what was going on.
And at that point, it was alsoboth my grandparents were alive,
and it was my grandmother and mygrandfather who were raising me,
and they put me in a privateChristian home or in a private
Christian school as well.
And I went from having nosupervision to having all
supervision.
(10:16):
Um getting myself up and dressedand wearing whatever I wanted
to, now you're wearing auniform.
I mean, it was like the pleatedskirt and the button.
It was like the wholenine-year-old Christian school.
And um being able to do whateverI want to.
Oh no, we sit at the table toeat.
Like I would eat, you know, infront of the TV and on a TV
(10:36):
stand or whatever.
And she's like, no, we eat homemeals, homemade meals at the
table and we say prayers and wedon't like it was a whole big
thing for me, a big change.
And um I I fought it, but Ididn't being the people pleaser
that I am, I didn't externallyrebel, but inside I was just
(10:57):
like, what is happening?
Like what I mean, I don't evenknow what which way is up, let
alone, you know, what's going onhere.
Um, but I see it now that thatwas just like the I hate it's
hard to say, but it was the bestthing that ever happened to me.
And um God just plucked me outof a horrible situation and put
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me in a beautiful place that Ican see now, his his hand.
Um unfortunately, my grandfatherpassed away two years after
that.
And so it for the majority of myhigh school time, it was just my
grandmother and I.
And I loved my grandfather, hewas a wonderful man.
He was a he was a um Navy man,World War II Navy soldier, and
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so he ran his household like heran his ship.
Like, I mean, you could bounce aquarter off the bed, like that
was just the way he raised hishis family back in the 50s and
60s, and it didn't matter thatit was the 90s, he was gonna
raise them that way.
So I was always uh joking aroundthat I was like their fifth
child because they have fourkids and then me.
(12:03):
And so um it was honestly likeone of a life it was definitely
a life changing.
I was put into a a church and umput into a Christian uh school
where I got involved withChristian friends and um that
were like normal, you know, andit wasn't just like I wasn't
(12:24):
looking at Christianity from theoutside saying, oh, those weird
kids that, you know, have to bewatched all the time, or they
can't do this, or they can'tlisten to that, or they can't
listen to that music, orwhatever.
Um, I actually saw what it waslike to be a Christian teenager
and to still be cool.
Um and became friends withpeople that I'm still friends
with to this day.
(12:45):
And uh it was a what wonderfulexperience.
And I saw what could happen if Ihad not embraced it.
My cousin lost her mom, my aunt,a year before my mom.
So my grandmother lost her twoof her daughters within like two
years of each other.
And my cousin was 13 at the timewhen her mom passed away, and
she went the opposite way.
(13:07):
And there was just something inme, and I know it was the Holy
Spirit that was drawing me tothe Lord that I didn't want to
be untethered all my life.
And so um, that was where I wasintroduced to Jesus, and that
was where um in my early highschool, I was you know, 15, I
accepted the Lord.
And again, I kind of just didall the things that it I saw my
(13:30):
friends doing.
I wore the shirt and and um Ilistened to that music and not
that music, and I went to thatconcert and not that one, and um
that radio station and not thatradio station, you know, I did
all the things that I wassupposed to do.
Then I went to college in WestPalm Beach and um I continued
doing checking all the boxes anddoing all the things I was
(13:51):
supposed to do.
And then lo and behold, I metthis boy from the middle of
Illinois that decided to comedown to West Palm Beach.
And then um it was just it thatwas that was where Jamie and I
met was in college, and he wason his way out and he met me and
he decided to stay down there sothat we could push through a
relationship.
SPEAKER_01 (14:11):
Yeah, she was actually dating someone else
when we met, and so I had tolike, you know, be patient and
woo her to show her that I wasthe right choice, but woo me.
SPEAKER_00 (14:22):
It was all before it's funny though, because our
kids are now at that datingstage, and I'm like, we didn't
have phone, like he physicallyhad to call me up.
SPEAKER_03 (14:31):
Yeah, how did we do this, you know, before he was
swiping and all this stuff?
SPEAKER_00 (14:35):
Yeah, it's so foreign to them, but um, so
yeah, Jeremy and I got marriedin 2001, and we're coming up on
25 years, 25 years together.
Um, and we just honestly it'sreally kind of sad that I don't
remember a whole lot of thefirst seven years of marriage.
(14:57):
And the reason why is like Ethanwasn't born until like seven our
seventh year of marriage andseventh or eighth or something.
And uh I just I don't rememberwhat we did with our time.
I really don't like we jokearound.
We're like, did we like watch TVall those years?
I don't know.
But anyway, we kind of just likewe did the cushion thing, but
(15:19):
um, I'll let Jamie take over forthe Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:22):
So um we were we we talked a little bit about how we
met um in after we were married,uh, you know, we kind of just
stayed status quo.
Um we you know we knew that andthis was in Florida.
Yeah, still we were in Florida,yeah.
And so we um as far as our asfar as our uh our our our life,
(15:43):
we went to work, we um we hadfriends, we we engaged with
people, um, you know, but therewas always this like, oh, we
can't find a church.
Like, and like I was, you know,like I mentioned earlier, like I
wasn't leading our family welldue to um you know, not
understanding what shepherdingwas, but also being also being
(16:04):
locked down with with some sinsthat I was that I was struggling
with.
And um so we just had a periodof time where it was like, oh,
we can't find a church, we can'tfind a good church.
And um, and it that that thatturned into a you know a long
time of we can't find a church.
Like we love the Lord, but wecan't find a church.
(16:24):
But do we, you know?
Um and we it was this there wasthis pivotal moment, and if I
could uh and I could uh if Icould title the story of our
testimony of our marriage, onething it would be like, thank
God for appliance repair, man.
So uh our dishwasher had brokendown one day, and we had we
(16:45):
called somebody, I don't evenknow how we ended up calling
this this person, but the Lordworked it out that we were both
in the house, Kathy and I, whenthis guy came over um to fix our
dishwasher, and he startedtalking to us.
He's like, Oh, you know, he hewas starting to share his
testimony because he was aChristian, and you know, I was
like, Oh, yeah, we're Christianstoo.
And and and you know, we believein the Lord, and uh we accepted
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Jesus and he goes, Well, whatchurch do you go to?
And and then he said, Well, wewe you know, the standard line,
well, we haven't been able toreally find a good church.
Like, and he was like, Well, howlong have you lived up here?
Because it like the the area welived in was I've been it was a
lot like Middletown a coupleyears ago where it was like like
people were moving in.
So we moved in at like the boom,like right or right before the
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the boom in that area.
And so we had been there for uhprobably two to three years, and
and he he just and I told himthat and he just looks at me
like what this like just he wasjust I mean at this point it was
just love and and just speakingthe truth.
But he looks at us and he goes,You've been here for for two
(17:51):
year for two two years, andthere are literally uh seven uh
Bible preaching churches withintwo miles of you, and you're and
you can't find a church.
SPEAKER_03 (18:03):
And this is a you problem, not a church problem.
Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
That's what he was saying, and like Kathy and I
looked at each other and we werelike, Oh my goodness, he's
totally right.
And I and we both can rememberthis moment crystal clear.
It was like a pivotal moment inour in our in our walks, um,
where we were like, you knowwhat?
We need like something needs tochange.
Um and so and it didn't changeimmediately in me, but we I I
(18:33):
knew that it needed to change.
Kathy uh has always been like aa bit more uh I don't know what
the right word is, but she's ashe's uh I've been blessed with
a uh a wife that um well I thinkI come from my just my
background of not havinganything solid to like be
tethered to.
SPEAKER_00 (18:53):
I mean, tethered's not the right word, but I was a
Latsky kid that was on my own.
I was so much on my own.
I was always so in because I wason my own so much, and I think
I'm drawn to finding the thingthat I belong to.
You know, my dad didn't reallywant anything to do with me, my
mom passed away early, then mygrandfather, and then my my
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grandmother blessed her heart.
I mean, she just did the bestshe could and everything, but I
I was always like wanting tofind that place I belong to.
Like, you know, I'm I'm notthis, I'm not that, that doesn't
work.
And you know, and so that drewme more so probably than Jeremy
did, because Jeremy already hadthat foundation of being b in a
family that he knew where hewas, he knew who he was in his
(19:36):
family, and he and I didn't havethat, so that's why I think I
had that little bit more of alike seeking out to find the
family that I belonged to sobadly.
SPEAKER_01 (19:46):
Yeah, so she um started uh trying out different
churches.
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
And I think Ethan was like a year old, so I was
still kind of using that as anexcuse before this point.
Um, you know, couldn't find achurch.
Ethan, who is almost 19 now, sowas like a year.
So I was using the whole like,you know, I want to look for a
nursery that's blah, blah, blah.
And I was kind of making excusesmyself.
SPEAKER_01 (20:10):
Yeah, and so we um she she comes home one day and
she's like, I found this reallythis this church I want us to
try.
And so when we went to uh it wasa Calvary Chapel church in
Florida, um, and we so we wentthere and they one of the things
that they talk about in their inthat in that church is they do a
(20:30):
lot, they do expositorypreaching, like we do here.
Um and I and um when we gotunder that type of a teaching,
and when we got under likelooking at the love letter of
God from the beginning to end,and when we when we got the
foundation of the word right inour lives, some of those
shackles, it didn't take itwasn't immediate, but some of
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those shackles like they startedto fall away.
Um, and and as they did, likethings in our marriage changed,
things in our our lives changed.
We wanted to become moreconnected with the church.
We wanted to um connect, serve,grow, um, to give.
Um all of those things changedwhen we got the foundation
(21:15):
right.
SPEAKER_00 (21:15):
Like, it was like the light just turned on of
like, oh, this is a personalrelationship.
This is not just a box wechecked because our parents told
us to check it, or you know, itwas it it was for both of us, it
was like a light came off and itcame on, and it was like, oh my
goodness, this is what Godplanned for us is to be for me
(21:37):
involved and loved andsurrounded in all the things I
wanted so badly growing up.
And yeah, it's the one of myfavorite things that I remember
uh the pastor saying was theBible is a love letter.
And if you got a love letterfrom the love of your life,
wouldn't you read every singleword of it all the time?
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And it was, I mean, I can almostphysically feel the light going
off of my head, like of course Iwould.
You know, so that was right thenwhen I started my well, when God
just planted that seed of of thelove of the word.
I cannot get enough of it.
And um I just all the differentways to study it, and I just I
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love it.
And then people joke around andthey call me the sticky note
lady because I have sticky notesall over my Bible and
everything.
SPEAKER_03 (22:25):
I mean it's literally double the size.
SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
Yeah, it is literally so big because I just
love to dig into it so much.
And I think that was one of thethings that when he when the
Lord led me to understand whatit means to be loved by him,
even though I didn't feel thatlove from anyone else, not my
husband.
I I felt love from Jeremy, butfrom my dad, from you know, my
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sisters, she went off to collegebefore my mom passed, so she was
gone.
And I just felt abandoned in somany ways.
And then to find someone whoaccepted me and did not ever
abandon me was just a a completelife change for me.
SPEAKER_03 (23:06):
When you really understand that love, it kind of
leads into that.
Love is an action.
You know, we get too caught up,and we've talked about this a
little bit on the podcastprevious episodes.
We'll talk more in December onthe love topic, so we won't
spoil that.
But the real important thing Ithink that you're bringing out
is love leads to action, whichis you know, not a works to
earn, but truly when youexperience that unconditional
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love of God.
Well, how can you not respond?
How can we not, you know, bemoved to work to do the things
that, like you say, it's notchecking boxes, but to respond
in that love and and walk inthat, I think is exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
And I was so desperate for it, and he filled
it up.
And I just I kind of like Ican't bel I I still I still get
flabbergasted and think, oh mygoodness, he loves me so much.
He picked me out as a like Iwasn't an orphan, but basically
felt like it and just filled allthe areas of love I didn't even
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know I had missing, and whatelse can I do but to love him
back, and that's in serving.
So that's where it reallystarted to grow for us.
SPEAKER_01 (24:14):
Yeah, something that you just that you touched on,
Nate.
Um, I was reminded of the in inEphesians one where we've we've
we've been blessed with everyspiritual blessing, right?
So, like, how can we based onthat, like and how we have this
greater blessing in the newcovenant than even what the old
covenant was, like how much moreshould we serve and love and and
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connect and be part of the bodyum just because of the greatness
of that the Lord has poured outon us?
Like we get to do these things.
Honestly, we don't have to dothese things, we get to do these
things because of the the greatmercies of of the Lord, like the
the grace and mercy of the Lord.
Yep.
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Um so but you know, just tofinish off our story, like from
you know, once we got under theword and we really un we really
it became like that moment whereKathy said where it was like
that light bulb.
Um it's just it's been a uh asteady progression.
I wouldn't say everything gotperfect all of a sudden, but
it's been a steady progressionof just a desire for the word,
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like wanting to be connectedwith uh with with the Lord and
you know with the body of Christand and then and then you know
uh just serving in in in waysthat we can.
I started off um down inFlorida, um I did um a a couple
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of things down there, but mainlyin the A V ministry.
I'd also um helped facilitate umthe Financial Peace University,
I did and uh did a lot of smallgroup facilitation down there as
well with the um the small grouppastor.
Um but a lot of like my breadand butter was in the uh was in
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the A V ministry, which is whichI'm carrying forward to today.
Yes, I haven't stopped.
SPEAKER_03 (26:07):
So your old story reminds me too, Ash and I had a
similar yeah, I can't rememberthe exact sermon, but you know,
several years and it was in thelead up to us getting into
ministry, but we got in the carafter a sermon one day and she
just looked at me and she saidDo you think we're lazy for God?
And I just without hesitationsaid, Yes.
Like the Holy Spirit likeconvicts you.
It's just like, yeah, you know,like we're not walking that out
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responding, you know, if you'rejust kind of filling, you're
really missing out, like yousaid.
And so it's God will get a holdof you just in a good way.
You know, it's not a like, hey,I'm demanding something, I want
more for you in in therelationship and the walk.
So yeah, absolutely.
So Florida, you started to godeeper.
What's the story about gettingto Delaware?
How did that be?
SPEAKER_00 (26:54):
Um, well, the good news is that um in that whole
process when my mom passed, mydad did come to the funeral and
he did say, I want arelationship with you.
And so I knew I didn't want tolive with him.
Um, I didn't know him, and Iknew I didn't want to live with
him, but I did make a promisethat I would come up and visit
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him every summer.
And so from 13 until goodness, Ithink even after we were
married, 22 or something likethat, I came up to visit him.
He lived in Delaware, and thenum I came up to visit him every
single summer.
Now our relationship was verysurface.
Um, the good news is that I gota relationship with my dad.
The bad news is that my dadhated my faith.
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I mean, just abhorred it, justcouldn't stand it.
Every time I walked, I came up,it was like, oh no.
Well, they called me Katie andthey were like, Oh no, Katie's
here.
We have to be good, we have topray, we gotta bless our food.
Like it was all very sarcastic.
So there's zero support when itcame to that.
Um and but as a young daughter,uh young girl who zurned for a
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relationship with her father, umI still was wanted a
relationship, even if it was abad one.
I still wanted something,especially with my mom gone and
my grandfather was gone, and mygrandmother was not doing well
at all, and so I just learnedfor it.
Um he I mean he got cancer.
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Um well he had his cancer to getI mean he did get cancer, he got
prostate cancer, but it was umit kind of gave him this moment
of clarity of like, oh, I um Iwant to do better with my life.
So he um worked for um a portionof DuPont.
So he was a very wealthy man.
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And he had a very hefty um ininheritance and he wanted to
give it to us, um, but he alsowanted to share it with us.
And one of his he wanted to bethere to watch us use it instead
of wait till he passed on.
So one of his things was that hewanted to um move us up to
Delaware.
And at that point, just to becloser to us, and it was kind of
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that clarity of like, I want tobe with you, I want to in and
watch you enjoy the inheritance,and I want you to be part of my
life.
And of course, for me, I waslike, that's the best blessing
in the world.
My grand my father actuallywants me.
He wants he I've been, you know,wanting this forever.
And um, God was already playingin our heart for like a year
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before that.
We just we we really hated, wereally didn't like it.
I mean, it was year after yearof hurricane just beaten down.
We were on of the tropical part,you know, where the hurricane
came every single year, and itwas like, is this the year that
our roof is gonna fall off?
Like it it got really rough.
At that point, we had two littleones, and it was just like we
just didn't have the heart forit.
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Um, we loved the church and weloved our family that of friends
that we had there, but we justcould not deal with the weather
anymore.
Um, so and Jeremy being fromIllinois and that mid.
Midwest, I think he part of himwanted to like have that
actually experience season.
SPEAKER_01 (30:06):
Experience season not just humidity.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
And I went from Delaware where there was no
season to Florida, there was noseason.
So for me, I was like, I justwant something different, you
know.
Um, so anyway, that opportunitycame up when my dad's like, I
want you to come up here.
And so the inheritance was thathe was going to move us up to
Delaware.
And so he and for us, we werelike sign-sealed, delivered,
we'll do it.
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Just tell us when we were ready.
We didn't care like anything.
We were like, we're gonna do it.
So that's actually how we cameup to Delaware.
Is um that was what he wanted,and unfortunately that lasted
like a year or something likethat.
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
Yeah, I mean, we really saw it, uh thinking
looking back on that time, wereally saw um you know that the
door was opening, maybe he wasbecoming more receptive to you
know, a relationship with you,but maybe that was gonna lead
into you know being able to.
SPEAKER_00 (31:02):
Would he be able to listen?
Would he wanna would, you know,he be willing to listen?
Um short answer, no.
Um in 2019, he drank himselfpretty much to death.
Uh he passed away.
And um we in in hindsight, welook back and we go, oh my
goodness, he was probably didn'tknow what was going on for like
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many, many, many years.
Um my kids were like, What popup, they don't even remember my
my dad at all.
Um my old Ethan does.
Ethan remembers my dad more sobecause he was much he was the
oldest.
But um unfortunately he just helost his battle to alcoholism
and it it was really hard towatch.
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Um but there was a point whereit was like when he passed, it
was it was kind of like okay, Idon't have to I hate to say it,
keep trying to save him.
And um he I couldn't do itanymore, and it it was kind of
like God bless, I'm saying, Igot this.
You don't have to anymore.
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So um that's how we actuallyended up in you know, was trying
to get closer to my father.
But it was really neat to seethat God had his hand on it the
whole time.
You know, I love looking backand going like we couldn't have
put that together if we tried.
Like it had to be God the wholetime.
Just like different places, likewe came up and we didn't have a
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job.
We didn't have anything, and andJeremy, you know, got a job and
I got a job, and the kids gotplugged in, and um, we found
Life House and uh we knew whenthe minute we walked in, we knew
the second we walked in thatthis was was this was our
church.
SPEAKER_03 (32:46):
And um didn't take the two to three years in an
appliance repair man this time,right?
SPEAKER_01 (32:50):
So but we did we did attend another church in the
area for a little bit and thenbut and it just wasn't clicking
for whatever reason.
SPEAKER_00 (32:59):
Um but we did seek it for a while.
We were like, we're not justgonna hop around.
SPEAKER_01 (33:04):
Yeah, but we definitely were we're like
seeking out that connection andum and we uh you know when we
came into Life House like backin 2016, like it was just like
this is home.
It was like almost, I mean, ifthe Lord could have opened up
the heavens and shown down, likeit was for like I was like, this
is it, like this is and and thenwe you know we've been here ever
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since, but um, I don't knowwhere I'm not not sure I not
sure where you know that'sbasically it.
SPEAKER_00 (33:31):
Yeah, that's how we um we've been here.
We've raised three boys here,you know.
Um Caden was actually like sixmonths old when we came here
because we did.
We went to another church whenwe first came here.
I mean, I think we moved uphere, we actually moved up here
on your birthday in June, and Ithink it was all of like the
second weekend we were here.
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We were like, we're getting achurch, we're gonna find a
church, we're not gonna let thishappen again.
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
And I had already done my research before we even
moved up here because we werenot going to have the repair man
situation.
Yeah, so I had a list ofchurches that were, you know, we
were gonna go try all thesechurches out.
SPEAKER_00 (34:06):
Yeah, and we did, I mean, we did God even blessed us
in that other church becauseit's a Bible-believing church,
it's a nice church, it's awonderful people that go there.
We're still friends with peoplethat go there.
Um, nothing bad to say about thechurch at all.
It was really nice, and it gaveus a foundation for what we
needed when we were first comingup to Delaware, not knowing
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anything about it.
Um, but we did feel the therethey have a little bit of
different views on baptism, andthat kind of was one of our
biggest things, especiallyhaving young children who we
wanted to baptize, um, or havethem believe in believers'
baptism, and they didn't.
And so that was kind of our bigdeciding factor.
But um, yeah, Caden was sixmonths old, and I still remember
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the first time, the very firsttime we came to Life House and
Rob Light sat behind us, and hewas making faces at Caden the
whole time.
And Steph was like, I'm sosorry.
Like in the middle of astarting.
SPEAKER_03 (35:04):
Rob makes faces at everybody.
SPEAKER_00 (35:05):
Making faces, and it was like kind of getting Caden
going, like laughing.
And and I was like, no, it'sthis this the kind of family
that we have, is that they'reokay with the baby making funny
noises.
Because that was like the firsttime, so I wasn't putting him in
the nursery yet.
I mean, we I think we did thenext weekend, but um that was uh
I still remember, and and nowhe's 10, you know, he's almost
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11 years old.
And and but Rob was the firstone that was that that stuck out
to me that I was like, okay, ifhe's okay, and he was a you know
the worship pastor.
So if he's okay with it, thenthis is a family.
This is not a a place where youhave to be prim and proper.
Like this is it's okay to behere and be loved and be family
and laugh and let babies gurgleand make noise, and it's okay.
SPEAKER_03 (35:51):
So since then, like we say, using those A V gifts,
check in Kathy, if you checkedin at VBS or extravaganza or
like any event here, Kathy doescheck in.
So you've seen Kathy, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
If there's anything you have to check in, it's
probably with me.
Um, I'm a teacher, is my trade.
And so um I think teachers tendto be uh they want to reach out,
they they they like being aroundpeople.
And so yeah, that's how Iactually got first plugged in
was children's ministry.
I mean, I was a mom and then Iwas also a teacher, so it was
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natural for me to slip rightinto it.
Yeah.
And then as soon as Tish foundout that I was a teacher, she's
like, I have a place for you.
And I've never left.
Like I've always been involvedin children's ministry, and now
do the admin side where you knowI kind of help like with the
technology, you know, thetechnical part of it.
And Jeremy had brought me overto the A V, which I actually did
A V in Florida too.
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I he brought me to the booththen too.
I was um I'm pro-presenter acouple of times, uh, probably
for like a year or two.
Um, it was a lot lesscomplicated than it was up here.
It's like PowerPoint.
It was really, very simple.
SPEAKER_01 (37:03):
But it's funny because I was just talking to
someone yesterday about how thepro presenter today is less
complicated than it was.
Like I think the opposite.
SPEAKER_00 (37:13):
I was like, but um, so yeah, so we he got me into
the A V, and I think that wasmore just I wanted to spend time
with out of my real house.
I I love being around children,but that kind of gave me a break
from being around children.
I could be around adults, thatwas kind of nice.
And then um, yeah, as I'vegotten older, now I'm 25 years
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veteran teacher, I'm kind oflooking at like helping others
get the love for being in thechildren's ministries.
So that's kind of where I'vebeen.
A little where a littleeverywhere, wherever I can kind
of get in.
SPEAKER_03 (37:48):
I know you guys deacon team, many things, but I
do want to, as we were talkingbefore we jumped on the mics,
you all have, and especially theWe Work theme, a very big heart
for parenting.
Yeah, you mentioned having threekids.
So I'd like to just looking atnext year, you know, lifehouse
family, they'll be, you know,leading, um, you know, trying to
help parents because we weretalking, like it was kind of
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that parenting is work.
It's not just all fun and gamesand all that stuff.
So maybe just talk a little bit,you know, especially, you know,
just the heart for serving, andthat ties in, you know, to your
parenting and having your kids,you know, know the Lord as well.
That's your prayer, but howbeing in church, your serving,
and and just the work ofparenting, uh, you've seen that
in your lives, and your yourheart for people to know how you
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work to the Lord as as parentsas well.
SPEAKER_01 (38:36):
Yeah, so I'll jump in first on this.
Like um, something that the Lorduh opened up for me uh several
years ago, um, was that my firstministry and most important
ministry is to my wife and myand and my children.
Um and that takes precedent overaside from my relationship with
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the Lord of everything else.
I I go to my job, not becauseit's that my identity, but
because it supports my familyand that and that I can do
those, I can have that ministrywith my family.
Um I you know, I love serving atchurch, but it but it my my my
first ministry and the firstwork, the first job that I have,
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sometimes I'll joke about likewhen I get off work that I need
to go do my second job, but it'sactually my first job like is to
tr is to be a shepherd in myfamily and to guide and protect
and and you know steer mychildren towards the Lord and to
to to love my wife as Christloved the church.
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Um but yeah, did you have anythoughts?
SPEAKER_00 (39:47):
No, I just think that was like um, you know, such
a that was a big moment when youwent through with the book.
Oh, it's a book.
SPEAKER_01 (39:56):
So there's a so the the great book that I would
recommend to any dad who um orany husband is called Family
Shepherds.
SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
Yes, that's what it was.
SPEAKER_03 (40:04):
And that was go debuck him if if anybody's
looking to jump on that book asa recommendation.
SPEAKER_00 (40:09):
Yes, so and that was um, you know, he's like, okay,
I'm gonna do this small group,or maybe it was fours, I can't
remember, but you did this bookand it was I I fit I could watch
your eyes being opened to yourrole as a shepherd through that
time, and it was really it wassuch a blessing for me because I
remember praying back in Floridathat I kept hearing that the man
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is is in char is, you know, theleader of in spiritual matters
and everything.
And me not having thatpersonally, I was just I just
kept praying, God just just putthat desire in Jeremy.
And he did.
He and it to watch that prayercome, even though it was several
years later, to watch it comethrough is just I mean, uh it's
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amazing.
It's an amazing experience towatch that happen.
And so he then, you know,started realizing his role as a
shepherd, and um that justreally became the foundation for
us.
And it came, of course, at themost perfect time.
Ethan was starting his teenageyears, and we were like, what
are we doing?
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Like we have three boys, andEthan's our oldest, and we were
just like, What is teenagers?
What are we gonna do?
So uh he and I have to say,Ethan is an amazing teenager.
Like, we don't really have a lotto complain about, but you know,
they're just normal, you know,just changes in how you have to
change your parenting styles,and and uh we that that was kind
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of like a pivotal point for usto like, okay, we could continue
parenting the way that you knowthe world tells us we should
parent our our teenagers, butthe result is that they're not
close to the Lord.
And our goal is that Ethan wouldknow the savior for himself.
And so that was always thefoundation of how we were going
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to discipline him, support him,love him, pray for him was that
he would know Jesus as his ownsavior.
And we're very, very blessedthat all three of our boys on
their own timetable have come toknow the Lord as their savior
and very different ways, allthree of them very different
ways.
And um, I think a lot of it isGod has just put that desire of
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like we want to walk alongsideother families and help them.
Not that we have all the answersbecause we don't, but we want to
help be alongside.
We want to be in community withother parents that are like
wanting to do biblical parentingand just support and community
of teenagers.
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And now we have an adult, youknow what it's like to be a
parent of an adult at the sametime as a parent of a
10-year-old.
Like there's very wide logdifferences in ages, but and
they you have to parent them allso differently just for where
they are, but be how to befilled with the spirit in your
parenting.
And we we want to walk alongsideother parents and help them with
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that and just be part of thecommunity with that and support
them as we continue to you knowbring up our children.
And Jeremy's been leading smallgroups with for fathers, and um
we will be supporting otherparents as we start the Biblical
Parenting Initiative in 2026.
And so we're excited to seewhere God puts it and what he
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does with it and what umfamilies will he'll bring, you
know, together and maybe somehealing that might happen.
Um it's not all gonna berainbows and sunshine, believe
me, it's not, but well, I thinkwhat Jeroby said, you know, too
often look at parenting as itshould just be this fun thing.
SPEAKER_03 (43:48):
But you said it's not only a job, but your first
job.
And it is it is work, you know,too.
There is a lot of fun and joy inraising the kids, but I'm sure
you guys can testify.
And yeah, I mean, we'd love tocover it all in a podcast, but I
think this is a good preview of,like you said, too, surrounding
yourself with other parents,walking together, you know, the
old adage takes a village.
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It it really does, you know, youcan't do it on your own.
You need that encouragement andyou need that help.
And it's just like you're notreally running a company solo,
you know, you gotta have a team.
And so, same thing withparenting.
That don't look at it as likethe career, but I think, like
you said, Jeremy, too, likeyou'll work harder in your job
to provide for your first job,you know, for your family.
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Like, that's why we should befaithful in our work because
hey, that's providing for ourfamily as well.
We're being derelict, you know,but you don't get it out of
order.
Don't don't make that thepriority in your identity, like
I think you said.
SPEAKER_01 (44:43):
Yeah, you can't make it's a different different
priority, different ideas,different, it's a fundamental,
it's a shift in your mind ofidentity, of you know, oh I like
when if I oftentimes whensomebody comes up to you and is
like, well, what do you do?
Like, and this is and I'mborrowing this from probably the
fan the family shepherds book.
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Um, but it it's actually really,really true.
Like, what do you do?
And like half for guys, what wewe oftentimes go, oh well, I you
know, this is what I do forwork, like you know, um, but and
that's that's an importantthing, but it's not who I am,
it's not my identity.
Like I'm a follower of Christ,and I'm I am a father to these
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three boys, and uh I I'm ahusband to to Kathy, and then I
go to work to do to support allof those things.
And I work hard at my work to touh because the Lord tells us to
um you know, whatever we do, doit as to the Lord.
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Um but it's not my primarymotivation, it's not where I
draw my value from.
Like I've draw I've drawn myvalue from Christ, and then I
pour into my family and supportsupport my family through the
thing I do vocationally, whichis supporting your family, like
you said.
SPEAKER_03 (46:03):
It's it's a tied to it, but not in front of it or
above it in any way.
100%.
Yeah.
So maybe talk a little bit too.
You know, you you talked abouthaving three boys, different
personalities, different ages,you know, how do you approach
that job of parenting, you know,really biblically, maybe give us
a preview, you know, give us thereaders dive just a lot of
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prayer.
SPEAKER_00 (46:24):
Yeah.
I think one of the big things isthat um Jeremy and I we we are
on the same page.
How we approach the the child orthe problem or the situation is
that we're on this on the samepage.
And the way we get on the samepage is through prayer.
We spend you know time in prayerwith them and with the kids and
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with each other and on our own.
And it's a lot, uh the wholething is covered in prayer
because it's it's God.
God has to move with thosechildren.
Um, God has to work in theirheart to we can tell them all
day long, don't sin, don't sin,or don't lie, or don't,
whatever.
But God's the one that has towork in their heart.
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And so our ultimate job is thatthey are their hearts are open
to listen to the Lord in asituation.
And so a lot of prayer.
Oh a lot of prayer.
SPEAKER_01 (47:15):
So I think that an important thing too, I agree
with you, um, is uh so much isis caught rather than taught,
right?
So like if and it really goesback to like when Paul said,
follow me as I follow Christ,imitate me as I imitate Christ.
So if I don't have it, I need tomake sure that I'm following the
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Lord.
And then out of that, out ofthat that love, we talked about,
we talked about love a littlebit, out of that love that it
that is being poured into methrough the from the Lord, then
I then I can pour that out to myfamily.
And then they can see that, theycan see me following the Lord,
and they want to uh, you know,boys and children, they want to
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follow their parents, they wantto, they want in that healthy
relationship, they want umthey're they want to be like
their dad.
Boys will want to be like theirdad, or you know, um and if I'm
imitating Christ, then thenthey're imitating then then
that's a good example.
That's the best example theycould they're then they're
imitating Christ.
SPEAKER_03 (48:19):
And I think too often job and work create
negative connotations, but itshouldn't in parenting, you
know.
We should be truly looking at itas a job and work and a
responsibility, but a joyousone.
And like you say, it's one whereyou can imitate Christ and be.
It was uh I think it's in ourmarriage study that you guys
were Martin Luther quote thatyou learn more about Christ
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through marriage and parentingthan you do spending like a
century in a monastery.
100%.
I've that will draw you closerto the Lord, like you guys are
saying, if you're not leaninginto the Lord, there's gonna be
many moments where you're gonnafeel lost and you're not gonna,
but the more you lean into him,pour that out into your family,
then that is what will createthat home environment and the
job goes well, the work is isblessed rather than drudgery and
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like oh, I don't want to gohome.
I want to go probably like why alot of guys go in their work
because they're not taking joyin their job as family, I would
say.
SPEAKER_01 (49:11):
Yeah.
And another thing that like likeI don't want everybody's gonna
struggle with like they and mykids are gonna have to have
their own relationship with theLord, um, but I want to set them
up for success.
Um, and I want and and the way Ican do that is to help disciple
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them, to to get them, to walkwith them in the word, to do,
you know, we can have familydevotions, spending one-on-one
time with them, talking, talkingwith you know with them about
what's going on in their intheir lives, uh, you know,
what's going on in their walks,um, diving in, opening up the
word with them um on a dailybasis, um, and just having them
(49:55):
build that foundation so thatthey they know the truth because
when they go out in the world,um there the world's gonna come
at them hard.
And you know, it no matter ifyou go to a Christian school or
if you go to a public school orif you're homeschooled,
eventually you're gonna be outin the world.
And the world's gonna come atyou, and you need to have that
foundation of biblical truth,knowing who you are, you know,
(50:22):
um in Christ, uh, so that youcan stand up to that, to that,
uh, to that battle that's comingon you.
SPEAKER_00 (50:30):
So we yeah, we see that with Ethan.
He's in uh he goes to UD andit's a blessing to watch all
those times that we sat theredoing family devotions and just
conversations and and he lovesmusic, loves music.
And so he will several timescome up and be like, Mom, listen
to this song.
And honestly, he loves Christianrap, and I it's not my cup of
(50:54):
tea, but I will listen to it andI'll be like, What is the
message that you're getting outof it?
And then he can relate it to asituation he's had, and it opens
up these conversations of like,you know, this is what's
happening, and but to watch thatfoundation being built, watching
Jeremy and I, you know, I I'mright beside him, but he's
pulling those kids out, youknow, and sitting down and
(51:16):
having time with the Bible withthem and talking to them, and
because he's the man.
And not that I can't do it, butI don't know what it's like to
be a boy growing up and to be aman.
So, like he's taking you knowprecedence of that and doing a
wonderful job with it.
And it's it's really such ablessing to watch a child who is
literally in the world rightnow, and he is standing firm and
(51:39):
he has his struggles and he'sopen to talking about it and
saying, you know, like this wasreally hard or this was a
temptation or whatever.
But all that foundation work,all of those those opportunities
where he's still coming to usand still talking to us, and we
have a teenager in in highschool, same situation, and even
our you know, fourth graderwho's in a Christian school
(52:00):
still has their problems andthey're still coming to us, and
that's because the relationshipthat they see is that we are
open with their each other, butwe're also open with the Lord.
And again, they are watching uswalk through the with the Lord,
and they're seeing us, you know,go through the the daily serving
of you know being with the Lordand and taking that time and
(52:23):
setting that foundation.
And they are also they'remimicking us, and it's really
it's it's a blessing to watch.
I didn't have to tell them toset time away to do their
devotion.
I I never said, okay, this is onyour choice, you're going to do
your devotion for for so manyminutes.
And you know, they took theinitiative and they do it
(52:45):
themselves because it isimportant because they have seen
us do it.
And it's it's really it's it'samazing to watch our children
use the foundation that Jeremyhas poured into them in the real
world.
And it's sometimes scary, notgonna lie, it's scary too, but
it is and the important part isyou put in the work to build the
(53:07):
relationship.
SPEAKER_03 (53:08):
You know, again, kind of hitting on that theme of
parenting as work is if youdon't put in the work and then
you wonder why your kids don'ttrust you, why they're running
to the world, why they'rerebelling, it's because you
probably haven't put in the workto truly build a relationship,
like marriage, all these kind ofthings we're talking about.
It takes work, you know, evenour relationship with the Lord,
it won't grow if we're notserving and putting in some
(53:29):
level of effort, not to earnfavor or earn our salvation, but
if you want to nurture and growthat relationship.
So whether it's parenting,marriage, all of those things, I
think that's the theme that youguys are hitting on.
And and while church isimportant, you have to do that
discipleship at home.
It can't be abdicated like,well, we'll just take them to
church on Sunday, maybe we'llsend them Wednesday night.
The rest of the week we won't doany work, you know, at all.
(53:52):
Well, and then you wonder whythe kids are being discipled by
the school system or society orculture or screens, you know,
it's too easy these days to justput a screen in front of your
kids and and do what you want.
You know, you're not working,you want to be easy about it.
So I think some themes we'repicking up there.
SPEAKER_01 (54:10):
Yeah.
So just a thought I was havingas you were speaking, like, is
that as I said earlier, like ourchildren ultimately have to make
their own choices.
And they would when they growup, they make their own choices
and and but the they're notgonna have that foundation if we
don't put in the work.
(54:30):
Like so they they're not gonnahave like if we don't put in
that work like that that you'retalking about, they they're
definitely gonna be, you know,uh at an on a sh at a
disadvantage when you when youcome when you go out into the
world and they are to make thosechoices and how what am I gonna
do?
Am I gonna follow Christ?
(54:52):
Am I gonna or am I gonna gothrough this other thing that
you know is not followingChrist?
Um so the work is important.
Like the work putting in thework today is important, even if
they don't, even if they make achoice down the road that is not
that is contrary to what I whatwhat I would believe, the work
is still important and it'sstill relevant and it's still
(55:13):
valued, it still has value.
SPEAKER_03 (55:16):
Well, Jeremy and Kathy, it's been awesome time
with you guys hearing your storyleading into just the work you
do here at Lifehouse, but alsothe work you guys do at Parents.
Looking forward to the workyou'll be doing leading in 2026,
depending on audience whenthey're listening.
But certainly at Lifehouse, wehave a big heart to help
parents, to walk, to grow.
You know, it really is family,you know, like we talked about.
(55:38):
So I know you guys will belooking forward to that as well.
But any kind of closingthoughts, you know, whether it's
the appliance repair man or youknow, the shifts of you know,
family shepherding.
SPEAKER_01 (55:50):
No, I mean, I was just uh I I when you asked about
uh us coming on, I just thoughtmaybe you'd reach the bottom of
the list or something.
Absolutely not.
SPEAKER_03 (55:59):
I admit it.
Two of my favorite people.
All of my guests are goodpeople.
SPEAKER_01 (56:03):
But we appreciate you having us on.
It's been a great time talking.
SPEAKER_03 (56:07):
So Lifehouse family, certainly look for that next
year.
And you know, hopefully thisepisode has brought you maybe
that paradigm shift.
Maybe if you haven't had thatappliance repair man, you need
to get into church, be serving,you've been kind of hanging out,
or maybe that shift of, hey,parenting, I need to get
involved, get more engaged, youknow, treat it more as the work
(56:28):
that God's meant to be.
We hope this episode's helpedyou, encouraged you, and uh
we'll look forward to seeing youall next time.
Thanks for tuning in to the LifeTalk Podcast.
If this episode encouraged you,please be sure to like, comment,
subscribe, and leave a review soothers can find this content as
well.
And we'll look forward to seeingyou next Monday for another
(56:49):
great episode.
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