May 16, 2024 • 50 mins
And so begins the Guy sisters’ rewatch of Season 6: Nobody’s favorite season.
With these two episodes, the sisters spend considerable time lamenting the fact that there are no media role models for people who are childless by choice, including, it seems, Lucifer. We also are perplexed and perturbed by multiple details of these two episodes, from Lucifer’s assertion that he is a “wonder-seeker” to what the heck is sexy about all the broken furniture to how Ella Lopez could be at all attracted to vanilla, milquetoast, Carrol.
On the other hand, there is a unanimous appreciation for the drag performers in the second episode and the writing that had one of those performers sharing she always aims to make people laugh to avoid having them laugh at her in the wrong way.
We get a little bit ahead of ourselves in thinking about the storybeat that is Rory, and whether or not hers is the ending the show deserved, and puzzle over the inclusion of Michael in Hell, whose face we never see (because they couldn’t get the actor back? J/k Michael is Tom Ellis, too!), and close out the episode by sharing our own drag names.
Our theme song is "Feral Angel Waltz" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Tracy and Emily are smart, lovable sisters who
really love Lucifer for the plotyeah, the plot which they
overthink.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hi there, I'm here with my sister, emily Guy-Burken
.
She does not use a hyphen.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And I'm here with my sister, Tracy Guy-Burken.
She does not use a hyphen.
And I'm here with my sister,Tracy Guy-Decker she does use a
hyphen.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And together this is Lightbringers, where we
illuminate the deeper meaning ofthe crime-solving devil TV show
and we are definitelyoverthinking it so much
overthinking.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We're cracking season six Nobody's favorite season.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So today we're going to talk about episodes one and
two of season six.
Nothing ever changes aroundhere and buckets of baggage, so
yeah.
So this is, let's dive in.
These are the.
These are seasons five and sixare the ones that I watched like
in real time as they werereleased me too.
(01:12):
Yes, although they were onnetflix, so I still binged them
because they dropped a wholeseason, or half a season in the
case of five at a time.
So okay, so let's talk aboutthese two.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So we're back in the very uh, back with the same
motorcycle cop from the firstscene, that's of episode one,
season one right, it it's and itmirrors it's.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's interesting because in that very first scene
of the of the pilot, he was inthe corvette, but in the black
in a black suit and now he's ina white tuxedo, which I think is
meant to help symbolize thefact that now he's good.
I'm putting quotes around thatword yeah Right, we're with the
motorcycle cop.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Who did buy himself something pretty.
Lots of cocaine, lots ofcocaine, right.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
He lost his job.
I mean, excuse me, he lost hiswife and he lost his house.
Now he lives in a boat.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And he's lost any forward momentum in his career
Right, which is probably thewell, you know what I was going
to say.
It's the most realistic aspectof this, this episode that, um,
you know they wouldn't fire fromthe lapd, but then I'm thinking
(02:30):
like, actually in the lapd itmight not actually affect his
ability to get promotions in thereal world right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And then we go into this like bizarre magic.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I had the thought, watching this, that someone in
the writer's room is into magicand really wanted to find a way
to kind of, and it also makes alittle bit of sense in that
that's one aspect of, like LAweirdness that they haven't
explored, because I don't.
(03:05):
I know very little about magic,but I believe that LA is one of
the places where you will findmore than your normal share of
magicians.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So I appreciated the kind of contrast that the
writers were trying to give usbetween Chloe, who seeks the
truth, and Lucifer who seekswonder and sex and drugs and
debauchery.
But like I didn't buy it, likeI didn't buy it at all and and
(03:46):
the like.
The moments when, when, likethe old guy is like telling how
the trick is done, and soLucifer has his fingers in his
ears and it's like singing tohimself so he doesn't hear it, I
didn't buy that at all.
I didn't buy that at all.
Like that just did not work forme, for Lucifer in the abstract
(04:13):
, as a millennial old person,nor Lucifer in the specific of,
like this Lucifer morning starplayed by time malice that we
have seen, kind of I just didn'tbuy it.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's the first time they have introduced
any idea of this and it's it'slike my pet peeve where I hate
it in long running TV showswhere they want to introduce
some sort of like conflict andso they pretend that it's always
been there.
Yeah, like years and years agothere was a show called caroline
in the city that I really lovedfrom the 90s and there was um,
(04:54):
her assistant was, uh, was inlove with her but couldn't tell
her, and in one episode he'sjust like, oh yeah, well, I've
never felt like this aboutanyone, except maybe Julia.
And that same episode Juliashows up and I'm like, well,
that's convenient, you couldhave had this conversation three
episodes ago, just had thatconversation three episodes ago,
(05:17):
and let it be.
And so that's what this feelslike, is like out of of nowhere.
They've decided this is trueabout lucifer and it does not
fit with the character that wehave known for five years now
and I like he a wonder seeker, apleasure seeker, yeah, and
(05:42):
there is a pleasure inker, yeah,and there is a pleasure in in
being tricked not tricked, butum yeah, tricked.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I mean, I mean, I actually think there are ways
you could have gone at it, evenlike.
I mean, they referenced Houdiniwith the imagery repeatedly and
Houdini talked about thedifference between, um, like
people paying you to trick themand tricking people into paying
you.
Like that was like a like whenhe was, when he was you to trick
them and tricking people intopaying you.
That was like a like when he was, when he was exposing fake
psychics and things, and in hissecond act of his career I am
(06:12):
Houdini and you are a fraud.
Yeah, I feel like I should knowwhat that is, but I you're the
one who told me about it.
So such a great memory.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So, um he was, he was so famous, um, he had retired
from, from his like escapeartistry, that uh um, and he
wanted to believe inspiritualism.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
He wanted to believe that there was a really wanted
to believe people after death?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Um, but, and he hated the fact that so many frauds
were out there.
So he would disguise himselfand go to these seances to see
what they were doing and tofigure out how they did it,
which he couldn't do because ofhis background.
And so as soon as he figuredout how they were doing it, he
would take off his disguise andshout I am Houdini and you're a
(07:05):
fraud, which is something that Ifeel like should be like worked
into casual conversation on adaily basis, because what a
great phrase and like the thingis, nobody knows what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
yeah, so when I was working at the jewish museum of
maryland, we did an exhibitabout, about harry houdini and
and so I learned a lot aboutabout him and so and I I feel
like it was, it was there andand that maybe even I could have
(07:41):
, like I could have integratedthat with the lucifer that I
know and sort of like it's onething to have people pay you to
trick them and it's another totrick them into paying you.
Like he kind of enjoyed beingtricked, um, and not knowing how
the trick happened and like butthe, because he is a celestial
(08:05):
and like is magic.
Like one of the very firstscenes of the whole series we
see him with that weird coin,that kind of levitates, and like
I mean it just doesn't.
And like even his deals, wheresomebody wants something, he
manages to make it happen like Ijust didn't buy it.
(08:28):
Yeah, and and I think, ifyou're right, and somebody in
the writer's room like reallywanted magic in the to you know,
to explore magic in one of theprocedurals, I think they could
have done a more thorough job ofintegrating that with the
Lucifer that we have grown tolove and I was wondering, like I
(08:49):
meant to look it up and didn'tget a chance to but I was
wondering if that place, thelike magician's bar, whatever it
was called is a real place in.
LA.
Oh yeah, I didn't look it upbecause I thought that might be.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
That might be part of it too is like they're trying
to cause.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
There is a bit of um travel tourism into this show in
some ways um so, and even popculture a little bit, because,
though they make up pop culturestuff, they also, in the next
episode that we watched today,like that's a real movie super
cop with jackie chan andmichelleoh.
So yeah, maybe it is a realclub listeners.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Let us know yeah, if, if you know, if you know any LA
listeners.
The other thing that got me wasI also didn't buy that he would
be annoyed that Chloe wastrying to solve the mystery,
because that's one of the thingshe really likes about her.
Um, watching this episode andthis is only the second time
I've seen it um, I actually canrecall when the, when season six
(09:50):
dropped it dropped on just likea friday or something and you
both you and I both were likeokay, we're not getting any work
done today, and we both watchedabout the same time and you
texted me and you're like Ididn't love it.
I'm, I'm like yeah, yeah, fairenough.
But as I was watching it thistime, I was sitting there going
like what do the two of themeven have in common?
(10:12):
You know, like this, this doesnot feel like a cohesive, loving
, happy couple, happy couple.
And I think some of this is thepitfall of any long running show
, in that you take a smallcharacteristic about a character
and then you have to keepupping the stakes just to be
(10:36):
able to keep the story going,and also because if it was funny
once, it's going to be evenfunnier the next time.
You know that sort of thing.
So if, for example, like if youwatch all 10 seasons of friends
, like the character of ross,why would you do that?
I'm sorry, we got a real fanhere did.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I say that out loud it's.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's the kind of tv show that I can have on in the
background and it's just, it'slike comfort background noise
for me, yeah, but the characterof ross in the first season is a
real person and by the 10thseason, is just a like a, a
collection of really, reallyobnoxious quirks, because
everything has been magnified somuch and so that that's the
(11:26):
sort of thing that I feel likeis kind of what's happening to
Chloe, or to both of them towell, to Lucifer definitely,
because he's, he's making itabout him like okay, let's get
out of here, cause you know wewant to have the rest of our
date.
It's the introduction of theidea that he's into wonder.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's, yeah, it's, it's a bit of a betrayal of the
character.
It feels like, yeah, um, eventhe like the montage of carol
interviewing everyone, and thenthe thing about like him saying
that he was there at thefounding of the club in 1960,
whatever and how old are you?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
and?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
like lucifer has never lied about who he is, but
I feel like he was more cageyabout things.
That would be confusing agiveaway, yeah, yeah, to humans
before.
So yeah, I feel like the seasonone lucifer, if in fact this
(12:29):
had been a thing, would havesaid something like I knew the
people who founded it, you knowlike, which is still true and
still like wow I gotta say Iwill.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I do appreciate and I feel like they got, they nailed
this.
When he says what's not to likeabout magic?
You never lie but you obfuscatewithout ever specifically lying
.
Yeah and like yeah, that's thatthat would appeal to him.
I can completely understandthat.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So I I I appreciated that so I I appreciated that,
but yeah, this, just this, thisepisode just doesn't work.
Yeah, and the the, that samemontage that I'm talking about
with carol that was used in thetrailers when they were
releasing it, with the weirdclown like figure behind him, uh
(13:24):
, like behind carol, behindcarol, while carol's talking.
There's this weird like sort ofclown, so it's like very surreal
and absurd and it was almostlike somebody was like, well, we
got to make the commercial sothat people are like what the
heck is going on?
I have to watch and find out.
And it felt Staged.
(13:45):
Yeah, that's the word.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, the subplot of the dinner party at Linda's
house.
Yes, that I felt like wasbetter.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, it was more believable at least.
It was more believable, butit's a similar it's a similar
sort of exaggeratedcharacterization of wenda.
I think it also then led tosome pretty like just like bald
exposition on the part ofmenediel.
(14:24):
That felt forced, like italmost felt like, since we just
saw them, the writers kind oflike wink at the good place
folks.
It sort of felt like, well, wecan put in some like
philosophical, like moral storystuff and and let amenadiel
(14:46):
deliver it and they've.
It's not like they haven't givenus some of that in the past,
but this was just felt veryheavy handed and less nuanced
than it has in the past.
I mean, and Linda even sayslike that's nice, but I'm not
there.
So maybe that was part of thepoint was that it was heavy.
(15:06):
I don't know.
I don't know.
I stand by my original text toyou.
I didn't love it.
Yeah, I didn't, didn't love it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I well, and we'll talk about carol more because
he's more important to thesecond episode.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Do let's, let's yeah, talk a little about the second
episode yeah, which I, which Ijust watched today, which is why
it was fresher in my head wherethey we open, in that like
they're meant to be havingrockets all over the penthouse
breaking furniture, breakingfurniture, sex because she has
the um, the piece, so she's gotsuperhuman strength.
(15:40):
I guess it wasn't supposed tobe, but like that wasn't sexy,
like especially compared to likethat first scene when they,
when they first get together andit's just so, you know, and he
sort of offers his hand and shetakes it and he leads her into
the bedroom and it's, I don'tknow, it just felt like intimate
(16:02):
and genuine and really hot,yeah, like H-A-W-T hot, and this
was none of those things, whichI guess was the point.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
It was supposed to be funny, I think, maybe it just
also like it feels like it'sserving a very specific kink,
rather than it being like yeah,this is what you do, I, I don't
(16:33):
know.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I I just like I'm having trouble imagining what
it's supposed to look like thatleaves this path of destruction
yeah, with furniture turned overand yeah, and I like I just
maybe I'm like giving away toomuch about my sexual
proclivities, but like I don't,even if I had superhuman
(16:56):
strength that doesn't help, Iwouldn't change any.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, like, you still need to be delicate about
certain areas, even withsuperhuman strength.
You don't want to squeezeanything too hard.
I don't know, yeah, it's.
It's very, very bizarre,because it's.
There's no sense that luciferis like yeah, I can't, you know,
(17:25):
throw my partners around likeI'd like to, because it would
hurt them.
No, and granted, he is, youknow, the king of desire, and so
he fulfills the other person'sdesire, so her desire is his.
So, okay, she wants to do thisoh, but she's throwing him
(17:46):
around, yeah but that so likethat makes it a little hotter,
yeah like the caveman thing,except uh gender swap where she
just throws him over hershoulders like you're coming
with me right now yeah, I guessI, I don't know I it's so, it's
(18:13):
so weird.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Okay, moving on, moving on.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I guess we're just befuddled.
I mean, and maybe the guysisters are just so vanilla.
Yeah, that's entirely possible,entirely possible.
I've been married.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It'll be 15 years on thursday so, mazel tov, thank
you, which means it's been 14for me.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
So, yes, yeah and mazel tov to you.
Uh, so it's been a while sincewe've been on the market.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Put it that way, not not like I think we should move
on and not include this part.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I mean all right, we'll stop with where you said,
mazel tov anyway.
So, amenadiel, like and I, Iget the impression they're
trying to hit some beats fromfrom season one.
You know, amenadiel, your, yourreturn to heaven has been
requested instead of your returnto hell has been requested yeah
(19:15):
yeah, and you know he doesn'twant to go off half cocked,
which is what chloe says.
Yeah, which is very unchloeyeah and of course he's he needs
to go talk to linda because hehas no idea how to care about
all seven billion humans.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, which is what he thinks he needs to do because
of what Ella said about God.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yes, so because Carol's new you know he's the
newest member of the staff.
He's going to help him so thathe can learn how to care about
people who are not within hiscircle, or how to help people
who he doesn't care about.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
He wants to help people hedoesn't care about.
Not care about people.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, because in fact that's what he's disappointed
at the end, when he realizedhe's come to care about Carol.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, who is the most vanilla milk toast
white?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
guy Like it's really hard to believe that he was
undercover in Vice.
It's hard to believe that thehe's complicated.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
No offense to that actor, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Or that Ella Lopez would be as tongue-tied around
him as she seems to be.
I mean, how is Kung Fu moviesenough?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, and like he's supposed to be, like he's a
little bit dorky too in thatinitial, but you know, I believe
Pete more yeah, me too.
I mean he seemed more genuineas a kind of somewhat awkward
geek yeah, yeah and I had thiskind of cast for the last season
(21:20):
.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to do that.
But and some of it, I know.
There are reasons why they.
They cast a white guy and theywanted it to be because later on
we see issues of race in theLAPD right, um, so I think that
that was an intentional choice.
But boy is he just vanilla andlike, I mean to be fair, he, he
(21:47):
seems perfectly capable of like.
He just accepts the pronouns umpreferred by the drag queens,
um, and, you know, takes themseriously, which is not
necessarily what you wouldexpect from someone, you know,
(22:07):
white guy, strong jaw person.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
But that's, that's a, that's a bare minimum level of
but that's also played veryintentionally to his
discomfiture in their presence,right I mean that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, he's very uncomfortable with the, uh, the
hostess, and when, whenlucifer's like, oh you, there's
a connection here with Busty, hehandles it well for being
discomfited, but there's justnothing there, it's just boring.
(22:47):
Yeah, and I like the onlyinteresting thing about him is
his name is Carol and even, likeyou know, finding out that he's
recovering alcoholic.
That could have beeninteresting, but they don't even
get into it.
He's like, yeah, I was in rehabfor a year.
Okay, what happened?
(23:11):
You know like, you know likeand that's not the story that
needs to be told, necessarily,but there's just nothing there
and Ella deserves better.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
It also like in that final scene with Ella well, not
the final scene, the almostfinal scene when he's
apologizing for like trying tobe like a bad boy.
She's like I broke into yourhouse and I stole your personal
house and he's like, oh, okay,yeah, I mean I think if she had,
(23:48):
I just feel like it should havebeen written differently.
Like she should have led withmy last boyfriend turned out to
be I didn't know, he almostkilled me and so I kind of have
trouble trusting and so I didthese things and I really
shouldn't have but PTSD, asLucifer said, which was a clever
(24:11):
little pun.
She didn't lead with that.
Based on what she led with,like I don't believe that even
this milk, those two would justbe like, okay, I think you would
be like, uh, nice, knowing you,I'm gonna go get a restraining
(24:35):
order, like something, somethingyou did, what now?
And then kind of calm down whenshe says about Pete but yeah,
there was.
There was like no emotionalreaction whatsoever to I broke
into your apartment and I stoleyour personnel file no emotional
(24:56):
reaction whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I don't know what to do with that.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't know what to do with that.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, yeah it's.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's so infuriating because it could have.
Were they writing in a hurry?
That's actually what I exactlywhat I'm thinking.
I feel like maybe they were,like they were shooting, like in
pandemic conditions, right.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
So maybe they actually were writing in a hurry
because the like they weren'tsure they were going to do it,
and then it was crinlin and thenlike I don't know, I don't know
, but it that is my impressionas well that the writing feels
rushed because it's just not asnuanced as it has been in
previous seasons so my husbandwalked in while I was watching
(25:56):
the second episode and the scenebetween Dan and who we will
find out is Rory, where Dan goeslike oh, that's something else
I feel guilty about, and hetakes out the notebook and is
writing it down and he's likedid they change writers Like
these, the same writers as frombefore?
I'm like he's like, becausethat's bad writing.
(26:18):
I'm like, don't, don'tsugarcoat it any.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
tell me how you really feel yeah, yeah, that
also feels unlikely that becausehe said he's like in a previous
conversation with lucifer, he'sbeen working on all that.
He's got the notebook.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Really, this is the first time you thought about the
fact that you shot lucifer yeahthat was in years also how
would rory not know that hersister's father tried to kill
her father?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
There's no way, unless Chloe kept it from her
somehow.
Like how I mean I can't imagine,like because she knows maize
and eve and amenadiel like Ican't imagine that dan was
already dead by the time she wasborn, I mean sure and I'm sure
(27:22):
that they only told like youknow how it happens with dead
people you don't talk about theshitty things they did, yeah, I,
I don't know, I just well, andthen that she wouldn't know who
Dan was.
Well, that is different.
Like she would have and shewould have recognized him.
And, in fact, even if what I'msaying is accurate, there would
(27:45):
have been surprise, because shewould have thought of Dan as,
like you know, on a pedestal.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, and her big sister's beloved big sister's
well based on the way dad trixiewould have talked about him.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it would have shocked herthat dan could be the one, if
she didn't know already.
Right, the other thing in thehill scene that I think I said
to you at the time, like whatwas going on with Michael, yeah,
well, oh that really bothers me.
(28:19):
A small piece of was it fanservice.
We didn't see his face.
It's not like they couldn't getthe actor.
Yeah Like, why did they includethat at all?
It was such a throwaway it wassuch a throwaway.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
So I really, really don't like the fact that michael
is there, because it undercutsthe second chance.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
The second chance totally undercuts the second
chance that he was supposedlygiving michael by not killing
him.
I'm not gonna kill, kill you,I'm just going to confine you to
earth, basically Scrubbing hellwith a toothbrush yeah, and the
wounds never healed yeah, andit's been a thousand years in
(29:05):
hell.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Oh, that's a very good point, because Lucifer's
scars healed over.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I mean Lucifer's were cut off with a demon blade,
presumably.
Yeah, cut with azrael's withthe flaming sword.
With the flaming sword?
Yeah, wouldn't it thencauterize it?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
yeah, yeah it.
It doesn't make any.
It makes no sense and I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't know why it was included, because it didn't
help anything, and if it was fanservice it did not serve this
fan.
Like it just confused me andkind of upset me a little bit
yeah, well, because it it makeslucifer seem vindictive.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Because how, how did he end up there?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
right, because someone would have had to have
actually someone would have hadto have carried him there.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
yeah, so I don't get it.
Yeah, I also.
There's two aspects of um.
There's two trailing spouses,basically in these two episodes.
There's Eve following maze tohell and she has no plans, and
(30:14):
then there's Chloe followingLucifer to heaven Ah, and she
has no plans.
Right, and I'm reallyuncomfortable with both of those
because in both cases, theyhaven't really thought about
what they're going to do, andsome of that is, I think, the
(30:35):
writers have no idea what thehell they're going to do, and so
they just kind of, you know,like, should I take tricksy out
of school?
Like you know?
I mean the, the, the, thosequestions, and she's, you know,
stir crazy and going, going umand being really bored and all
of that which is reasonable.
This she's.
She's not used to having timeon her hands.
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That's, yeah, fine, but there'stwo examples of this, of like
why didn't either of them assertthemselves?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean, I feel like the, the writers were more
interested in the mirroring thatthe, the leading spouse,
actually doesn't want to go inthe first place, you know, and
so this was just like anadditional symptom of the fact
that this is maybe not the rightchoice.
Um, is that they this thetrailing spouse?
I feel like that mirroring waswas more important than the
(31:36):
actual agency of the trailingspouse in either case, but yeah,
it's, it's a worthy questionit's just I can kind of
comprehend it on well.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I mean so on chloe's part not thinking about it is
partially because she's notfamiliar with the world's
celestials.
And she had that, like you knowshe.
She learned that what shethought she knew about her
parents was wrong and that hermom wanted to support her dad,
right.
So this is like a grand gestureshe did, and then she didn't
really think through the afteras much with eve and I I don't
(32:15):
know, I guess they've writtenher.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I mean, we see in the future, we see in future
episodes that Eve has this thing, not just future episodes.
We've seen in the past withLucifer where she's like this is
her pattern she remakes herselfto make her partner happy.
That's how she was taught to Tobehave, yeah, yeah To be.
So that actually does make acertain amount of sense,
(32:41):
although the the I'll throwdinner parties just makes her
look stupid, which that'sunbecoming, I feel like, on the
part of the writers, because Idon't feel it as though they
have done that to her in thepast.
Have done that to her in thepast.
She has seemed naive at times,but never stupid, but never
stupid.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And that, like I'll throw a dinner parties in hell.
That just sounded stupid to me.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, I mean like if she'd said like, oh, you've got
thousands of siblings and likeI'd love to meet all of them and
so, like you know, if she ledwith that instead of it, like
I'll meet all the souls.
But it, yeah, it does it, justit's rushed yeah hence what I
said at the very beginningnobody's favorite season, yeah,
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which is a shame because I, likeI, was so looking forward to it
yeah, um, I carved out time inmy work weeks.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I was like to vacation time so that I could
watch it when it first droppedyeah yeah, in fact, when it
first dropped and I was seeing,like you know, everybody was
like who is this chick with theboots?
You know the person who turnsout to be Rory.
I even I saw like a, like awhisper on the internet that was
like I bet it's, I bet it'stheir, their kid from the future
(34:12):
.
And I was like please don't letit be their kid from the future
.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Please don't let it be their kid from the future.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Like I just was like I really don't, that is not the
storyline I want.
And so I was like deeplydisappointed when that reveal
actually came through, because Ijust was like the moment I saw
somebody suggest that might beit, I was like no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, well, part of my issue with that and we'll get
into it further.
But Lucifer has made it clearfrom the very beginning that he
has no interest in havingchildren and like I, just I want
media to take that seriously.
Like I want media to take likethe for the people who say I
(34:55):
don't want children, they'refine, they're not for me.
I personally want to bechild-free.
I want media to not immediatelyundercut that.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Um, and like I say that as someone who knew from
babyhood that I wanted to be amom, I have always known that I
wanted children.
There was never any question inmy mind whatsoever that I was
going to become a parent andthere is plenty of media for me.
Yeah, there is no media outthere for the people who say I
(35:29):
don't want children.
I like children, I like them inmy life.
He cares deeply about Trixie,even though he jokes about her
not being, about being an urchinand all of that, right.
But I would much moreappreciate a story about because
we don't have it.
We don't have those narrativesabout it being okay that that is
(35:54):
how your life works and youlike that.
You want that, yeah, life worksand it you.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
you like that, you want that.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, so that also opposite, where we don't.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
We don't believe people, especially women, but
people in general.
We don't believe them.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
You'll change your mind you tell them Exactly.
So when I was in my twenties, Iworked at a boys and girls club
and there was a woman there whoworked in the library, who
loved kids, didn't want her own,and I remember being befuddled.
I'm like cause I thought thatif you didn't want her own and I
, I remember being befuddled.
I'm like because I thought thatif you didn't want kids, it's
because you didn't like them.
But she clearly loved kids, sheworked with them and she's like
I just don't want any of my own.
And I remember being like I, Idon't understand, like it just
(36:32):
didn't.
It just didn't compute for me,and that's part of what I'm
talking about.
Like I should be like a 20something who is relatively
savvy, should be able to computethe idea that you can like
something without wanting it foryourself.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, so we certainly don't have any models of that.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yes, and in the same way.
It's another thing that reallydrives me nuts.
It's similar to there's a handwaving about things like
fertility as well.
Our cousin pointed this out tome once, about how anytime
there's a film where infertilityis a part of the story, they're
magically pregnant by the end,and this feels like a similar
(37:13):
sort of thing.
He never had to worry about itbecause it didn't happen, but
clearly he really wanted thisbecause otherwise it wouldn't
have self-actualized working.
Yeah, yeah, so we can get intothat more in future episodes,
but it's.
I get a little frustrated at thefans who get who say that the
(37:41):
end of the show was a betrayalof of everything that came
before.
And we'll get to that and we'llget to what they're talking
about, cause I do not agree.
They say it's a betrayal of histhing about like free will, and
you know I disagree with thatentirely.
But I think that they're fairin saying that season six is, as
(38:02):
as a whole in terms of Luciferstory arc is a bit of a betrayal
on what's come before becauseof things like this taking the
devil at his word that hedoesn't want kids, the minute he
learns like, oh, he's all inand you know what that's.
(38:24):
That's fantastic If that's whathappens for someone who finds
themselves in a situation wherethey're going to be a parent
without having planned it.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, but it's a.
It is a very different sort ofthing because of the
self-actualization that theyhave given us.
You're right, that makes itactually a very different kind
of scenario.
It's not the same as if a humanman realizes that he has
inadvertently fathered a child.
It is not the same because inthis case, with this character,
(38:54):
with this universe, the waythey've set it up, in this case,
with this character, with thisuniverse, the way they've set it
up, that necessitates that insome way he wanted to be a
parent.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, and I mean to be fair.
Lucifer has made it like it'sbeen very clear he doesn't know
what he wants often, and andthat's that's part of his
journey.
But why did it have to be this?
You know, yeah, and so much ofwhat's going on is his, his
(39:30):
daddy issues and his feelingabandoned by his father, and so
they wanted to to explore thatwith the idea of him having a
child who feels abandoned by him.
And I get that, I get that thestory beat of that and the
satisfaction of that moment, butit just doesn't fit with what's
(39:51):
come before, with the devilcharacter that we have known for
five years, so far, that wehave known for five years, so
far.
So it's, you know, there aresome joys coming up within this
(40:11):
season and I don't want to belike, oh, season six, because
there are some things I'm veryglad that we're going to be
seeing, but it was not theending that this story could
have had, yeah.
So I do want to talk a littlebit about I think the best scene
in both of these is whenlucifer and busty are singing.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
That's a pretty awesome duet.
That was going to be actually apiece of my fluff, because, oh,
it's just fine, it's fine, butwhen he's, when ellis, sings in
that scene, it almost becomessort of an american accent,
which I guess is what happens.
I don't know something aboutthe the lid, I don't know, but
the enunciation kind of soundsmore American when singing, and
(41:01):
so it sounds like Michael like.
when I'm watching it, I'm likehow does he sound like Michael?
Michael, which is reallyunwelcome and odd response from
me as I'm watching.
Yeah, but what did you want tosay?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
about it so well.
I, I love their, I love theirdance, their, their, their
musical interlude, yeah.
And then the conversation withBrian you know once, once Busty
has removed her wig was reallylovely.
I really appreciated what Brianwas saying about feeling
(41:42):
insecure about being a prettydrag queen.
And there is, there's so muchdiscourse about drag queens
right now Right now inparticular, yeah, yeah, and it's
an art form that I don'tcompletely understand.
But as I was watching, I wasthinking like how gorgeous her
(42:07):
makeup was Actually all of themakeup that we see and the
amount of work that would gointo that level of makeup and
just how fabulous she looked.
That level of makeup and justhow fabulous she looked and the
idea that there's this sensethat if you're going to, you
(42:28):
know, put that full face ofmakeup on and sing in sequins,
you know, with a huge wig, thatwould be supreme confidence.
And yet there's still thingsthat one could feel insecure
about and that it just was a.
I felt like a very lovelymoment in this, like a in the
(42:51):
center of this, this episodethat had me at the end, when we
learn who the killer is, feelingterrible for poor Brian.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Who's lost his mentor and his lover?
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, and oh my goodness, how, how heartbreaking
, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, I agree that that whole exposition or it
wasn't, it was a conversationwith Brian and and Lucifer too,
and thinking about that that was, I agree it was really
beautiful and you know so wehave someone in the writer's
room who was like let's getmagic in there somehow, and
there's somebody in the writer'sroom who said let's get drag in
there somehow.
And I think that sort ofthinking about that question
(43:34):
about who you really are, whoyou're meant to be like within
the, by using drag as a sort ofmet, as a vehicle for that
conversation, I think that wasreally interesting and useful.
I mean, I think using dragthere served several kind of
different goals.
(43:54):
One of them was justmilquetoast Carol's discomfiture
, but but it was much, muchbigger and deeper than that.
And I I do think that that wasthe, even the specifics of the
way that Brian was talking about.
Like, I always play the humorbecause I was afraid if I just
went out as beautiful thatpeople would laugh at me, not in
(44:14):
a good way.
Yeah, Like that deeplyresonated.
Oh really, I really heard that.
I really heard that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Well, and I, I had forgotten that that's.
I mean, I had remembered thatthere was the, the there's a
time in a drag club, but I'dforgotten that scene, and so,
even before that, I had beenthinking she looks fabulous
during the song, and so I mean,so that's, that's.
(44:47):
Something too is now and some ofthat is I have been trying to
deprogram myself from the ideaof what society considers
beautiful.
What society considers beautiful.
So, um, I was mentioning,before we started recording, uh,
we were at the Wisconsin statefair today and I love people
watching at places like thestate fair, but every everywhere
(45:08):
I turn, I kind of wanted to,and I've been encouraging myself
to be like, look at howbeautiful that person is, look
how beautiful they are of allshapes and sizes, backgrounds,
haircuts, clothing, everythinglike seeing the beauty in every
human.
And so I know that that,because I've been trying very
hard to do that, I'm much morelikely to notice beauty that
(45:33):
might be overlooked by peoplewho are not necessarily
grappling with with, uh, theirrelationship with what society
calls beautiful.
But that that to me, likestruck me also that, brian, you
know, without the wig he's likeI'm afraid to go out as
(45:54):
beautiful because people mightlaugh, and not for the right and
in the wrong way, whereas I had.
My immediate reaction was justlike oh my God, she looks
fabulous.
I want a pink sequined dressfor myself.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
You know, I think it's really, really interesting
because that sort of peoplelaughing at me.
I was talking to a friend ofmine fairly recently.
We were talking about the factthat you know, there's some
things that we have been taughtto denigrate in ourselves so
much that if someone were to sayto someone, were to praise them
, praise that aspect, whateverit was, we would think they were
(46:29):
making fun of it.
So, like I was born with across, I I've had surgeries and
like whatever, and the glasseshide it mostly, but I'm so
self-conscious about it.
And so if someone were to sayto me, like actually I think
your cross-conscious about it.
And so if someone were to sayto me, like actually I think
your cross-eyes kind of cute, myreaction would be screw you,
Don't make fun of me.
Like that would be my reaction.
If somebody were to say thatand that's what was kind of like
(46:49):
activated in me listening toBrian tell- the story yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
When I was in college , I was seeing a therapist on
campus who at one point told methat he thought that my emotions
were one of the best parts ofme.
I stopped seeing him because Ihad been taught that my being
emotional was the worst thingabout me.
(47:15):
Yeah, yeah.
So I definitely I hear that, Ihear that, I hear that and, uh,
that's I'm glad for that momentin in this, in these episodes.
And you know, I know Brian isfictional, but I hope Brian's
okay and that busty is justbringing down the house every
(47:38):
night.
And I also thought to myself,like what would my drag name be
if I could do drag?
Did you come up with something?
Well, there's your pet and thename of the street you grew up
on.
So way back when I was firstout of college, someone said
(48:02):
that, like, my porn name wouldbe Bonanza Tamarack, which I
actually actually think soundsmore like a drag queen name.
Yeah, so you know, bonanzaTamarack.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay, I like it.
I like it.
So I guess would that make mePixie Briarclift.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Oh, that's fantastic Bonanza Tamarack and Pixie
Briarclift double feature.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
All right.
Well, we've been talking foralmost an hour, so I'm going to
say my piece of fluff I alreadyshared earlier was that when
ellis sings, it sounds likemichael.
Do you have something that youwant to share?
Speaker 3 (48:44):
yes, during the dinner party.
It's just a tiny little moment.
Maze picks up a deviled egg andlike, brings it close to her
face and goes and like.
I don't know, I don't even knowwhy.
I noticed it because it's goingon in the background while eve
is talking to amenadiel andlinda.
(49:05):
Now they're doing the theclassic um uh sitcom table setup
, which I hate.
It's just like.
I know it's easier for thecameras, but nobody eats dinner
like that, but I.
It was just like leslie ann, Ilove that you're on even when
you're not on.
Thank you, that is a perfectmoment.
Yes, I like that very much.
(49:28):
So I think that's all my fluff.
I'm sure I had a couple others,but that's the only one I can
think of off the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Okay, I'll take it.
Okay, all right.
Well, I'll see you soon tocontinue our uh explorations of
season six.
Well, until next time, pixie,briarclift, all right.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
We're cracking season six Nobody's favorite season.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So today we're going to talk about episodes one and
two of season six.
Nothing ever changes aroundhere and buckets of baggage, so
yeah.
So this is, let's dive in.
These are the.
These are seasons five and sixare the ones that I watched like
in real time as they werereleased me too.
(01:12):
Yes, although they were onnetflix, so I still binged them
because they dropped a wholeseason, or half a season in the
case of five at a time.
So okay, so let's talk aboutthese two.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So we're back in the very uh, back with the same
motorcycle cop from the firstscene, that's of episode one,
season one right, it it's and itmirrors it's.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's interesting because in that very first scene
of the of the pilot, he was inthe corvette, but in the black
in a black suit and now he's ina white tuxedo, which I think is
meant to help symbolize thefact that now he's good.
I'm putting quotes around thatword yeah Right, we're with the
motorcycle cop.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Who did buy himself something pretty.
Lots of cocaine, lots ofcocaine, right.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
He lost his job.
I mean, excuse me, he lost hiswife and he lost his house.
Now he lives in a boat.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And he's lost any forward momentum in his career
Right, which is probably thewell, you know what I was going
to say.
It's the most realistic aspectof this, this episode that, um,
you know they wouldn't fire fromthe lapd, but then I'm thinking
(02:30):
like, actually in the lapd itmight not actually affect his
ability to get promotions in thereal world right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And then we go into this like bizarre magic.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I had the thought, watching this, that someone in
the writer's room is into magicand really wanted to find a way
to kind of, and it also makes alittle bit of sense in that
that's one aspect of, like LAweirdness that they haven't
explored, because I don't.
(03:05):
I know very little about magic,but I believe that LA is one of
the places where you will findmore than your normal share of
magicians.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So I appreciated the kind of contrast that the
writers were trying to give usbetween Chloe, who seeks the
truth, and Lucifer who seekswonder and sex and drugs and
debauchery.
But like I didn't buy it, likeI didn't buy it at all and and
(03:46):
the like.
The moments when, when, likethe old guy is like telling how
the trick is done, and soLucifer has his fingers in his
ears and it's like singing tohimself so he doesn't hear it, I
didn't buy that at all.
I didn't buy that at all.
Like that just did not work forme, for Lucifer in the abstract
(04:13):
, as a millennial old person,nor Lucifer in the specific of,
like this Lucifer morning starplayed by time malice that we
have seen, kind of I just didn'tbuy it.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's the first time they have introduced
any idea of this and it's it'slike my pet peeve where I hate
it in long running TV showswhere they want to introduce
some sort of like conflict andso they pretend that it's always
been there.
Yeah, like years and years agothere was a show called caroline
in the city that I really lovedfrom the 90s and there was um,
(04:54):
her assistant was, uh, was inlove with her but couldn't tell
her, and in one episode he'sjust like, oh yeah, well, I've
never felt like this aboutanyone, except maybe Julia.
And that same episode Juliashows up and I'm like, well,
that's convenient, you couldhave had this conversation three
episodes ago, just had thatconversation three episodes ago,
(05:17):
and let it be.
And so that's what this feelslike, is like out of of nowhere.
They've decided this is trueabout lucifer and it does not
fit with the character that wehave known for five years now
and I like he a wonder seeker, apleasure seeker, yeah, and
(05:42):
there is a pleasure inker, yeah,and there is a pleasure in in
being tricked not tricked, butum yeah, tricked.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I mean, I mean, I actually think there are ways
you could have gone at it, evenlike.
I mean, they referenced Houdiniwith the imagery repeatedly and
Houdini talked about thedifference between, um, like
people paying you to trick themand tricking people into paying
you.
Like that was like a like whenhe was, when he was you to trick
them and tricking people intopaying you.
That was like a like when he was, when he was exposing fake
psychics and things, and in hissecond act of his career I am
(06:12):
Houdini and you are a fraud.
Yeah, I feel like I should knowwhat that is, but I you're the
one who told me about it.
So such a great memory.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So, um he was, he was so famous, um, he had retired
from, from his like escapeartistry, that uh um, and he
wanted to believe inspiritualism.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
He wanted to believe that there was a really wanted
to believe people after death?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Um, but, and he hated the fact that so many frauds
were out there.
So he would disguise himselfand go to these seances to see
what they were doing and tofigure out how they did it,
which he couldn't do because ofhis background.
And so as soon as he figuredout how they were doing it, he
would take off his disguise andshout I am Houdini and you're a
(07:05):
fraud, which is something that Ifeel like should be like worked
into casual conversation on adaily basis, because what a
great phrase and like the thingis, nobody knows what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
yeah, so when I was working at the jewish museum of
maryland, we did an exhibitabout, about harry houdini and
and so I learned a lot aboutabout him and so and I I feel
like it was, it was there andand that maybe even I could have
(07:41):
, like I could have integratedthat with the lucifer that I
know and sort of like it's onething to have people pay you to
trick them and it's another totrick them into paying you.
Like he kind of enjoyed beingtricked, um, and not knowing how
the trick happened and like butthe, because he is a celestial
(08:05):
and like is magic.
Like one of the very firstscenes of the whole series we
see him with that weird coin,that kind of levitates, and like
I mean it just doesn't.
And like even his deals, wheresomebody wants something, he
manages to make it happen like Ijust didn't buy it.
(08:28):
Yeah, and and I think, ifyou're right, and somebody in
the writer's room like reallywanted magic in the to you know,
to explore magic in one of theprocedurals, I think they could
have done a more thorough job ofintegrating that with the
Lucifer that we have grown tolove and I was wondering, like I
(08:49):
meant to look it up and didn'tget a chance to but I was
wondering if that place, thelike magician's bar, whatever it
was called is a real place in.
LA.
Oh yeah, I didn't look it upbecause I thought that might be.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
That might be part of it too is like they're trying
to cause.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
There is a bit of um travel tourism into this show in
some ways um so, and even popculture a little bit, because,
though they make up pop culturestuff, they also, in the next
episode that we watched today,like that's a real movie super
cop with jackie chan andmichelleoh.
So yeah, maybe it is a realclub listeners.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Let us know yeah, if, if you know, if you know any LA
listeners.
The other thing that got me wasI also didn't buy that he would
be annoyed that Chloe wastrying to solve the mystery,
because that's one of the thingshe really likes about her.
Um, watching this episode andthis is only the second time
I've seen it um, I actually canrecall when the, when season six
(09:50):
dropped it dropped on just likea friday or something and you
both you and I both were likeokay, we're not getting any work
done today, and we both watchedabout the same time and you
texted me and you're like Ididn't love it.
I'm, I'm like yeah, yeah, fairenough.
But as I was watching it thistime, I was sitting there going
like what do the two of themeven have in common?
(10:12):
You know, like this, this doesnot feel like a cohesive, loving
, happy couple, happy couple.
And I think some of this is thepitfall of any long running show
, in that you take a smallcharacteristic about a character
and then you have to keepupping the stakes just to be
(10:36):
able to keep the story going,and also because if it was funny
once, it's going to be evenfunnier the next time.
You know that sort of thing.
So if, for example, like if youwatch all 10 seasons of friends
, like the character of ross,why would you do that?
I'm sorry, we got a real fanhere did.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I say that out loud it's.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's the kind of tv show that I can have on in the
background and it's just, it'slike comfort background noise
for me, yeah, but the characterof ross in the first season is a
real person and by the 10thseason, is just a like a, a
collection of really, reallyobnoxious quirks, because
everything has been magnified somuch and so that that's the
(11:26):
sort of thing that I feel likeis kind of what's happening to
Chloe, or to both of them towell, to Lucifer definitely,
because he's, he's making itabout him like okay, let's get
out of here, cause you know wewant to have the rest of our
date.
It's the introduction of theidea that he's into wonder.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's, yeah, it's, it's a bit of a betrayal of the
character.
It feels like, yeah, um, eventhe like the montage of carol
interviewing everyone, and thenthe thing about like him saying
that he was there at thefounding of the club in 1960,
whatever and how old are you?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
and?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
like lucifer has never lied about who he is, but
I feel like he was more cageyabout things.
That would be confusing agiveaway, yeah, yeah, to humans
before.
So yeah, I feel like the seasonone lucifer, if in fact this
(12:29):
had been a thing, would havesaid something like I knew the
people who founded it, you knowlike, which is still true and
still like wow I gotta say Iwill.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I do appreciate and I feel like they got, they nailed
this.
When he says what's not to likeabout magic?
You never lie but you obfuscatewithout ever specifically lying
.
Yeah and like yeah, that's thatthat would appeal to him.
I can completely understandthat.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So I I I appreciated that so I I appreciated that,
but yeah, this, just this, thisepisode just doesn't work.
Yeah, and the the, that samemontage that I'm talking about
with carol that was used in thetrailers when they were
releasing it, with the weirdclown like figure behind him, uh
(13:24):
, like behind carol, behindcarol, while carol's talking.
There's this weird like sort ofclown, so it's like very surreal
and absurd and it was almostlike somebody was like, well, we
got to make the commercial sothat people are like what the
heck is going on?
I have to watch and find out.
And it felt Staged.
(13:45):
Yeah, that's the word.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, the subplot of the dinner party at Linda's
house.
Yes, that I felt like wasbetter.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, it was more believable at least.
It was more believable, butit's a similar it's a similar
sort of exaggeratedcharacterization of wenda.
I think it also then led tosome pretty like just like bald
exposition on the part ofmenediel.
(14:24):
That felt forced, like italmost felt like, since we just
saw them, the writers kind oflike wink at the good place
folks.
It sort of felt like, well, wecan put in some like
philosophical, like moral storystuff and and let amenadiel
(14:46):
deliver it and they've.
It's not like they haven't givenus some of that in the past,
but this was just felt veryheavy handed and less nuanced
than it has in the past.
I mean, and Linda even sayslike that's nice, but I'm not
there.
So maybe that was part of thepoint was that it was heavy.
(15:06):
I don't know.
I don't know.
I stand by my original text toyou.
I didn't love it.
Yeah, I didn't, didn't love it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I well, and we'll talk about carol more because
he's more important to thesecond episode.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Do let's, let's yeah, talk a little about the second
episode yeah, which I, which Ijust watched today, which is why
it was fresher in my head wherethey we open, in that like
they're meant to be havingrockets all over the penthouse
breaking furniture, breakingfurniture, sex because she has
the um, the piece, so she's gotsuperhuman strength.
(15:40):
I guess it wasn't supposed tobe, but like that wasn't sexy,
like especially compared to likethat first scene when they,
when they first get together andit's just so, you know, and he
sort of offers his hand and shetakes it and he leads her into
the bedroom and it's, I don'tknow, it just felt like intimate
(16:02):
and genuine and really hot,yeah, like H-A-W-T hot, and this
was none of those things, whichI guess was the point.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
It was supposed to be funny, I think, maybe it just
also like it feels like it'sserving a very specific kink,
rather than it being like yeah,this is what you do, I, I don't
(16:33):
know.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I I just like I'm having trouble imagining what
it's supposed to look like thatleaves this path of destruction
yeah, with furniture turned overand yeah, and I like I just
maybe I'm like giving away toomuch about my sexual
proclivities, but like I don't,even if I had superhuman
(16:56):
strength that doesn't help, Iwouldn't change any.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, like, you still need to be delicate about
certain areas, even withsuperhuman strength.
You don't want to squeezeanything too hard.
I don't know, yeah, it's.
It's very, very bizarre,because it's.
There's no sense that luciferis like yeah, I can't, you know,
(17:25):
throw my partners around likeI'd like to, because it would
hurt them.
No, and granted, he is, youknow, the king of desire, and so
he fulfills the other person'sdesire, so her desire is his.
So, okay, she wants to do thisoh, but she's throwing him
(17:46):
around, yeah but that so likethat makes it a little hotter,
yeah like the caveman thing,except uh gender swap where she
just throws him over hershoulders like you're coming
with me right now yeah, I guessI, I don't know I it's so, it's
(18:13):
so weird.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Okay, moving on, moving on.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I guess we're just befuddled.
I mean, and maybe the guysisters are just so vanilla.
Yeah, that's entirely possible,entirely possible.
I've been married.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
It'll be 15 years on thursday so, mazel tov, thank
you, which means it's been 14for me.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
So, yes, yeah and mazel tov to you.
Uh, so it's been a while sincewe've been on the market.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Put it that way, not not like I think we should move
on and not include this part.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I mean all right, we'll stop with where you said,
mazel tov anyway.
So, amenadiel, like and I, Iget the impression they're
trying to hit some beats fromfrom season one.
You know, amenadiel, your, yourreturn to heaven has been
requested instead of your returnto hell has been requested yeah
(19:15):
yeah, and you know he doesn'twant to go off half cocked,
which is what chloe says.
Yeah, which is very unchloeyeah and of course he's he needs
to go talk to linda because hehas no idea how to care about
all seven billion humans.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, which is what he thinks he needs to do because
of what Ella said about God.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yes, so because Carol's new you know he's the
newest member of the staff.
He's going to help him so thathe can learn how to care about
people who are not within hiscircle, or how to help people
who he doesn't care about.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
He wants to help people hedoesn't care about.
Not care about people.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, because in fact that's what he's disappointed
at the end, when he realizedhe's come to care about Carol.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, who is the most vanilla milk toast
white?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
guy Like it's really hard to believe that he was
undercover in Vice.
It's hard to believe that thehe's complicated.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
No offense to that actor, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Or that Ella Lopez would be as tongue-tied around
him as she seems to be.
I mean, how is Kung Fu moviesenough?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, and like he's supposed to be, like he's a
little bit dorky too in thatinitial, but you know, I believe
Pete more yeah, me too.
I mean he seemed more genuineas a kind of somewhat awkward
geek yeah, yeah and I had thiskind of cast for the last season
(21:20):
.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to do that.
But and some of it, I know.
There are reasons why they.
They cast a white guy and theywanted it to be because later on
we see issues of race in theLAPD right, um, so I think that
that was an intentional choice.
But boy is he just vanilla andlike, I mean to be fair, he, he
(21:47):
seems perfectly capable of like.
He just accepts the pronouns umpreferred by the drag queens,
um, and, you know, takes themseriously, which is not
necessarily what you wouldexpect from someone, you know,
(22:07):
white guy, strong jaw person.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
But that's, that's a, that's a bare minimum level of
but that's also played veryintentionally to his
discomfiture in their presence,right I mean that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, he's very uncomfortable with the, uh, the
hostess, and when, whenlucifer's like, oh you, there's
a connection here with Busty, hehandles it well for being
discomfited, but there's justnothing there, it's just boring.
(22:47):
Yeah, and I like the onlyinteresting thing about him is
his name is Carol and even, likeyou know, finding out that he's
recovering alcoholic.
That could have beeninteresting, but they don't even
get into it.
He's like, yeah, I was in rehabfor a year.
Okay, what happened?
(23:11):
You know like, you know likeand that's not the story that
needs to be told, necessarily,but there's just nothing there
and Ella deserves better.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
It also like in that final scene with Ella well, not
the final scene, the almostfinal scene when he's
apologizing for like trying tobe like a bad boy.
She's like I broke into yourhouse and I stole your personal
house and he's like, oh, okay,yeah, I mean I think if she had,
(23:48):
I just feel like it should havebeen written differently.
Like she should have led withmy last boyfriend turned out to
be I didn't know, he almostkilled me and so I kind of have
trouble trusting and so I didthese things and I really
shouldn't have but PTSD, asLucifer said, which was a clever
(24:11):
little pun.
She didn't lead with that.
Based on what she led with,like I don't believe that even
this milk, those two would justbe like, okay, I think you would
be like, uh, nice, knowing you,I'm gonna go get a restraining
(24:35):
order, like something, somethingyou did, what now?
And then kind of calm down whenshe says about Pete but yeah,
there was.
There was like no emotionalreaction whatsoever to I broke
into your apartment and I stoleyour personnel file no emotional
(24:56):
reaction whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I don't know what to do with that.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't know what to do with that.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, yeah it's.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's so infuriating because it could have.
Were they writing in a hurry?
That's actually what I exactlywhat I'm thinking.
I feel like maybe they were,like they were shooting, like in
pandemic conditions, right.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
So maybe they actually were writing in a hurry
because the like they weren'tsure they were going to do it,
and then it was crinlin and thenlike I don't know, I don't know
, but it that is my impressionas well that the writing feels
rushed because it's just not asnuanced as it has been in
previous seasons so my husbandwalked in while I was watching
(25:56):
the second episode and the scenebetween Dan and who we will
find out is Rory, where Dan goeslike oh, that's something else
I feel guilty about, and hetakes out the notebook and is
writing it down and he's likedid they change writers Like
these, the same writers as frombefore?
I'm like he's like, becausethat's bad writing.
(26:18):
I'm like, don't, don'tsugarcoat it any.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
tell me how you really feel yeah, yeah, that
also feels unlikely that becausehe said he's like in a previous
conversation with lucifer, he'sbeen working on all that.
He's got the notebook.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Really, this is the first time you thought about the
fact that you shot lucifer yeahthat was in years also how
would rory not know that hersister's father tried to kill
her father?
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
There's no way, unless Chloe kept it from her
somehow.
Like how I mean I can't imagine,like because she knows maize
and eve and amenadiel like Ican't imagine that dan was
already dead by the time she wasborn, I mean sure and I'm sure
(27:22):
that they only told like youknow how it happens with dead
people you don't talk about theshitty things they did, yeah, I,
I don't know, I just well, andthen that she wouldn't know who
Dan was.
Well, that is different.
Like she would have and shewould have recognized him.
And, in fact, even if what I'msaying is accurate, there would
(27:45):
have been surprise, because shewould have thought of Dan as,
like you know, on a pedestal.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, and her big sister's beloved big sister's
well based on the way dad trixiewould have talked about him.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it would have shocked herthat dan could be the one, if
she didn't know already.
Right, the other thing in thehill scene that I think I said
to you at the time, like whatwas going on with Michael, yeah,
well, oh that really bothers me.
(28:19):
A small piece of was it fanservice.
We didn't see his face.
It's not like they couldn't getthe actor.
Yeah Like, why did they includethat at all?
It was such a throwaway it wassuch a throwaway.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
So I really, really don't like the fact that michael
is there, because it undercutsthe second chance.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
The second chance totally undercuts the second
chance that he was supposedlygiving michael by not killing
him.
I'm not gonna kill, kill you,I'm just going to confine you to
earth, basically Scrubbing hellwith a toothbrush yeah, and the
wounds never healed yeah, andit's been a thousand years in
(29:05):
hell.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Oh, that's a very good point, because Lucifer's
scars healed over.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I mean Lucifer's were cut off with a demon blade,
presumably.
Yeah, cut with azrael's withthe flaming sword.
With the flaming sword?
Yeah, wouldn't it thencauterize it?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
yeah, yeah it.
It doesn't make any.
It makes no sense and I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't know why it was included, because it didn't
help anything, and if it was fanservice it did not serve this
fan.
Like it just confused me andkind of upset me a little bit
yeah, well, because it it makeslucifer seem vindictive.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Because how, how did he end up there?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
right, because someone would have had to have
actually someone would have hadto have carried him there.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
yeah, so I don't get it.
Yeah, I also.
There's two aspects of um.
There's two trailing spouses,basically in these two episodes.
There's Eve following maze tohell and she has no plans, and
(30:14):
then there's Chloe followingLucifer to heaven Ah, and she
has no plans.
Right, and I'm reallyuncomfortable with both of those
because in both cases, theyhaven't really thought about
what they're going to do, andsome of that is, I think, the
(30:35):
writers have no idea what thehell they're going to do, and so
they just kind of, you know,like, should I take tricksy out
of school?
Like you know?
I mean the, the, the, thosequestions, and she's, you know,
stir crazy and going, going umand being really bored and all
of that which is reasonable.
This she's.
She's not used to having timeon her hands.
(30:55):
That's, yeah, fine, but there'stwo examples of this, of like
why didn't either of them assertthemselves?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean, I feel like the, the writers were more
interested in the mirroring thatthe, the leading spouse,
actually doesn't want to go inthe first place, you know, and
so this was just like anadditional symptom of the fact
that this is maybe not the rightchoice.
Um, is that they this thetrailing spouse?
I feel like that mirroring waswas more important than the
(31:36):
actual agency of the trailingspouse in either case, but yeah,
it's, it's a worthy questionit's just I can kind of
comprehend it on well.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I mean so on chloe's part not thinking about it is
partially because she's notfamiliar with the world's
celestials.
And she had that, like you knowshe.
She learned that what shethought she knew about her
parents was wrong and that hermom wanted to support her dad,
right.
So this is like a grand gestureshe did, and then she didn't
really think through the afteras much with eve and I I don't
(32:15):
know, I guess they've writtenher.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I mean, we see in the future, we see in future
episodes that Eve has this thing, not just future episodes.
We've seen in the past withLucifer where she's like this is
her pattern she remakes herselfto make her partner happy.
That's how she was taught to Tobehave, yeah, yeah To be.
So that actually does make acertain amount of sense,
(32:41):
although the the I'll throwdinner parties just makes her
look stupid, which that'sunbecoming, I feel like, on the
part of the writers, because Idon't feel it as though they
have done that to her in thepast.
Have done that to her in thepast.
She has seemed naive at times,but never stupid, but never
stupid.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And that, like I'll throw a dinner parties in hell.
That just sounded stupid to me.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, I mean like if she'd said like, oh, you've got
thousands of siblings and likeI'd love to meet all of them and
so, like you know, if she ledwith that instead of it, like
I'll meet all the souls.
But it, yeah, it does it, justit's rushed yeah hence what I
said at the very beginningnobody's favorite season, yeah,
(33:38):
which is a shame because I, likeI, was so looking forward to it
yeah, um, I carved out time inmy work weeks.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I was like to vacation time so that I could
watch it when it first droppedyeah yeah, in fact, when it
first dropped and I was seeing,like you know, everybody was
like who is this chick with theboots?
You know the person who turnsout to be Rory.
I even I saw like a, like awhisper on the internet that was
like I bet it's, I bet it'stheir, their kid from the future
(34:12):
.
And I was like please don't letit be their kid from the future
.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Please don't let it be their kid from the future.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Like I just was like I really don't, that is not the
storyline I want.
And so I was like deeplydisappointed when that reveal
actually came through, because Ijust was like the moment I saw
somebody suggest that might beit, I was like no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, well, part of my issue with that and we'll get
into it further.
But Lucifer has made it clearfrom the very beginning that he
has no interest in havingchildren and like I, just I want
media to take that seriously.
Like I want media to take likethe for the people who say I
(34:55):
don't want children, they'refine, they're not for me.
I personally want to bechild-free.
I want media to not immediatelyundercut that.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Um, and like I say that as someone who knew from
babyhood that I wanted to be amom, I have always known that I
wanted children.
There was never any question inmy mind whatsoever that I was
going to become a parent andthere is plenty of media for me.
Yeah, there is no media outthere for the people who say I
(35:29):
don't want children.
I like children, I like them inmy life.
He cares deeply about Trixie,even though he jokes about her
not being, about being an urchinand all of that, right.
But I would much moreappreciate a story about because
we don't have it.
We don't have those narrativesabout it being okay that that is
(35:54):
how your life works and youlike that.
You want that, yeah, life worksand it you.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
you like that, you want that.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, so that also opposite, where we don't.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
We don't believe people, especially women, but
people in general.
We don't believe them.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
You'll change your mind you tell them Exactly.
So when I was in my twenties, Iworked at a boys and girls club
and there was a woman there whoworked in the library, who
loved kids, didn't want her own,and I remember being befuddled.
I'm like cause I thought thatif you didn't want her own and I
, I remember being befuddled.
I'm like because I thought thatif you didn't want kids, it's
because you didn't like them.
But she clearly loved kids, sheworked with them and she's like
I just don't want any of my own.
And I remember being like I, Idon't understand, like it just
(36:32):
didn't.
It just didn't compute for me,and that's part of what I'm
talking about.
Like I should be like a 20something who is relatively
savvy, should be able to computethe idea that you can like
something without wanting it foryourself.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, so we certainly don't have any models of that.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yes, and in the same way.
It's another thing that reallydrives me nuts.
It's similar to there's a handwaving about things like
fertility as well.
Our cousin pointed this out tome once, about how anytime
there's a film where infertilityis a part of the story, they're
magically pregnant by the end,and this feels like a similar
(37:13):
sort of thing.
He never had to worry about itbecause it didn't happen, but
clearly he really wanted thisbecause otherwise it wouldn't
have self-actualized working.
Yeah, yeah, so we can get intothat more in future episodes,
but it's.
I get a little frustrated at thefans who get who say that the
(37:41):
end of the show was a betrayalof of everything that came
before.
And we'll get to that and we'llget to what they're talking
about, cause I do not agree.
They say it's a betrayal of histhing about like free will, and
you know I disagree with thatentirely.
But I think that they're fairin saying that season six is, as
(38:02):
as a whole in terms of Luciferstory arc is a bit of a betrayal
on what's come before becauseof things like this taking the
devil at his word that hedoesn't want kids, the minute he
learns like, oh, he's all inand you know what that's.
(38:24):
That's fantastic If that's whathappens for someone who finds
themselves in a situation wherethey're going to be a parent
without having planned it.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, but it's a.
It is a very different sort ofthing because of the
self-actualization that theyhave given us.
You're right, that makes itactually a very different kind
of scenario.
It's not the same as if a humanman realizes that he has
inadvertently fathered a child.
It is not the same because inthis case, with this character,
(38:54):
with this universe, the waythey've set it up, in this case,
with this character, with thisuniverse, the way they've set it
up, that necessitates that insome way he wanted to be a
parent.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, and I mean to be fair.
Lucifer has made it like it'sbeen very clear he doesn't know
what he wants often, and andthat's that's part of his
journey.
But why did it have to be this?
You know, yeah, and so much ofwhat's going on is his, his
(39:30):
daddy issues and his feelingabandoned by his father, and so
they wanted to to explore thatwith the idea of him having a
child who feels abandoned by him.
And I get that, I get that thestory beat of that and the
satisfaction of that moment, butit just doesn't fit with what's
(39:51):
come before, with the devilcharacter that we have known for
five years, so far, that wehave known for five years, so
far.
So it's, you know, there aresome joys coming up within this
(40:11):
season and I don't want to belike, oh, season six, because
there are some things I'm veryglad that we're going to be
seeing, but it was not theending that this story could
have had, yeah.
So I do want to talk a littlebit about I think the best scene
in both of these is whenlucifer and busty are singing.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
That's a pretty awesome duet.
That was going to be actually apiece of my fluff, because, oh,
it's just fine, it's fine, butwhen he's, when ellis, sings in
that scene, it almost becomessort of an american accent,
which I guess is what happens.
I don't know something aboutthe the lid, I don't know, but
the enunciation kind of soundsmore American when singing, and
(41:01):
so it sounds like Michael like.
when I'm watching it, I'm likehow does he sound like Michael?
Michael, which is reallyunwelcome and odd response from
me as I'm watching.
Yeah, but what did you want tosay?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
about it so well.
I, I love their, I love theirdance, their, their, their
musical interlude, yeah.
And then the conversation withBrian you know once, once Busty
has removed her wig was reallylovely.
I really appreciated what Brianwas saying about feeling
(41:42):
insecure about being a prettydrag queen.
And there is, there's so muchdiscourse about drag queens
right now Right now inparticular, yeah, yeah, and it's
an art form that I don'tcompletely understand.
But as I was watching, I wasthinking like how gorgeous her
(42:07):
makeup was Actually all of themakeup that we see and the
amount of work that would gointo that level of makeup and
just how fabulous she looked.
That level of makeup and justhow fabulous she looked and the
idea that there's this sensethat if you're going to, you
(42:28):
know, put that full face ofmakeup on and sing in sequins,
you know, with a huge wig, thatwould be supreme confidence.
And yet there's still thingsthat one could feel insecure
about and that it just was a.
I felt like a very lovelymoment in this, like a in the
(42:51):
center of this, this episodethat had me at the end, when we
learn who the killer is, feelingterrible for poor Brian.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Who's lost his mentor and his lover?
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, and oh my goodness, how, how heartbreaking
, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, I agree that that whole exposition or it
wasn't, it was a conversationwith Brian and and Lucifer too,
and thinking about that that was, I agree it was really
beautiful and you know so wehave someone in the writer's
room who was like let's getmagic in there somehow, and
there's somebody in the writer'sroom who said let's get drag in
there somehow.
And I think that sort ofthinking about that question
(43:34):
about who you really are, whoyou're meant to be like within
the, by using drag as a sort ofmet, as a vehicle for that
conversation, I think that wasreally interesting and useful.
I mean, I think using dragthere served several kind of
different goals.
(43:54):
One of them was justmilquetoast Carol's discomfiture
, but but it was much, muchbigger and deeper than that.
And I I do think that that wasthe, even the specifics of the
way that Brian was talking about.
Like, I always play the humorbecause I was afraid if I just
went out as beautiful thatpeople would laugh at me, not in
(44:14):
a good way.
Yeah, Like that deeplyresonated.
Oh really, I really heard that.
I really heard that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Well, and I, I had forgotten that that's.
I mean, I had remembered thatthere was the, the there's a
time in a drag club, but I'dforgotten that scene, and so,
even before that, I had beenthinking she looks fabulous
during the song, and so I mean,so that's, that's.
(44:47):
Something too is now and some ofthat is I have been trying to
deprogram myself from the ideaof what society considers
beautiful.
What society considers beautiful.
So, um, I was mentioning,before we started recording, uh,
we were at the Wisconsin statefair today and I love people
watching at places like thestate fair, but every everywhere
(45:08):
I turn, I kind of wanted to,and I've been encouraging myself
to be like, look at howbeautiful that person is, look
how beautiful they are of allshapes and sizes, backgrounds,
haircuts, clothing, everythinglike seeing the beauty in every
human.
And so I know that that,because I've been trying very
hard to do that, I'm much morelikely to notice beauty that
(45:33):
might be overlooked by peoplewho are not necessarily
grappling with with, uh, theirrelationship with what society
calls beautiful.
But that that to me, likestruck me also that, brian, you
know, without the wig he's likeI'm afraid to go out as
(45:54):
beautiful because people mightlaugh, and not for the right and
in the wrong way, whereas I had.
My immediate reaction was justlike oh my God, she looks
fabulous.
I want a pink sequined dressfor myself.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
You know, I think it's really, really interesting
because that sort of peoplelaughing at me.
I was talking to a friend ofmine fairly recently.
We were talking about the factthat you know, there's some
things that we have been taughtto denigrate in ourselves so
much that if someone were to sayto someone, were to praise them
, praise that aspect, whateverit was, we would think they were
(46:29):
making fun of it.
So, like I was born with across, I I've had surgeries and
like whatever, and the glasseshide it mostly, but I'm so
self-conscious about it.
And so if someone were to sayto me, like actually I think
your cross-conscious about it.
And so if someone were to sayto me, like actually I think
your cross-eyes kind of cute, myreaction would be screw you,
Don't make fun of me.
Like that would be my reaction.
If somebody were to say thatand that's what was kind of like
(46:49):
activated in me listening toBrian tell- the story yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
When I was in college , I was seeing a therapist on
campus who at one point told methat he thought that my emotions
were one of the best parts ofme.
I stopped seeing him because Ihad been taught that my being
emotional was the worst thingabout me.
(47:15):
Yeah, yeah.
So I definitely I hear that, Ihear that, I hear that and, uh,
that's I'm glad for that momentin in this, in these episodes.
And you know, I know Brian isfictional, but I hope Brian's
okay and that busty is justbringing down the house every
(47:38):
night.
And I also thought to myself,like what would my drag name be
if I could do drag?
Did you come up with something?
Well, there's your pet and thename of the street you grew up
on.
So way back when I was firstout of college, someone said
(48:02):
that, like, my porn name wouldbe Bonanza Tamarack, which I
actually actually think soundsmore like a drag queen name.
Yeah, so you know, bonanzaTamarack.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay, I like it.
I like it.
So I guess would that make mePixie Briarclift.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Oh, that's fantastic Bonanza Tamarack and Pixie
Briarclift double feature.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
All right.
Well, we've been talking foralmost an hour, so I'm going to
say my piece of fluff I alreadyshared earlier was that when
ellis sings, it sounds likemichael.
Do you have something that youwant to share?
Speaker 3 (48:44):
yes, during the dinner party.
It's just a tiny little moment.
Maze picks up a deviled egg andlike, brings it close to her
face and goes and like.
I don't know, I don't even knowwhy.
I noticed it because it's goingon in the background while eve
is talking to amenadiel andlinda.
(49:05):
Now they're doing the theclassic um uh sitcom table setup
, which I hate.
It's just like.
I know it's easier for thecameras, but nobody eats dinner
like that, but I.
It was just like leslie ann, Ilove that you're on even when
you're not on.
Thank you, that is a perfectmoment.
Yes, I like that very much.
(49:28):
So I think that's all my fluff.
I'm sure I had a couple others,but that's the only one I can
think of off the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Okay, I'll take it.
Okay, all right.
Well, I'll see you soon tocontinue our uh explorations of
season six.
Well, until next time, pixie,briarclift, all right.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
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