All Episodes

December 19, 2025 74 mins

The week felt heavy, so we reached for the stories and rituals that hold us together. We start with a quick programming note for the holidays, then slide into the things that actually lift our moods: football catharsis, Krampus Fest dreams, and the strange power of a Taylor Swift doc to make us laugh, cry, and clap in the living room. From there, we sink into a heartfelt tribute to Rob Reiner and the films that quietly built our Gen X DNA.

Stand By Me becomes a north star for friendship, fear, and the first time we faced mortality—and maybe a train. When Harry Met Sally reminds us that timing is a character, not a backdrop, and that friendship can shoulder love until we’re ready to say it out loud. The Princess Bride is our endlessly quotable compass, proof that wit, honor, and true love can outmaneuver cruelty. And Misery? It’s the darker mirror that shows how obsession and control twist affection into a cage, and why survival is sometimes just the next smart move.

We keep it real and messy: a 1984 diary entry about sleeping late, playing outside, and stopping for White Castle sliders; stadium stories with snow, tailgates, and the long drive home with the heat on high; a Mandela effect rabbit hole that proves collective memory is a weird place; and a few confessions about holiday movies we love, hate, or tolerate. Through it all, Rob Reiner’s range—from romance to terror—feels like life itself: some days deserve a perfect kiss, some days require a bluff against a bully, and some days call for friends who bring pizza and hit play.

If seasonal depression is pressing in, don’t go it alone. Invite someone over, share a film that raised you, and let the room get warmer by degrees. If this resonated, subscribe, rate, and share the show with a friend who quotes The Princess Bride on command. Your reviews help more Gen Xers—and anyone who loves great stories—find us.

Send us an email

Support the show

#genx #80s #90s https://youtube.com/@likewhateverpod?si=ChGIAEDqb7H2AN0J

https://www.tiktok.com/@likewhateverpod?_t=ZT-8v3hQFb73Wg&_r=1


Mark as Played
Transcript

Episode Transcript

Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
SPEAKER_05 (00:04):
Two best friends, we're talking fast.
We're missing two arcades, we'rehaving a blast.
Seeing these dreams, be onscreens, it was all bad.
Like you know, it's likewhatever.
Never never never laughing,sharing, our scoring forever.

(00:24):
We'll take you back likewhatever.

SPEAKER_02 (00:31):
Welcome to Like Whatever, a podcast for, by, and
about Gen X.
I'm Nicole, and this is my BFFF,Heather.
Hello.
So it's been a heavy week.
It has been a a week.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, the news has been no fun.
No.
Um we're thinking of you,Australia.

(00:53):
Yeah.
Um, it's awful.
And Brown University.
And Brown University.
Yeah, they still haven't caughtthat shooter.
No.
They will.
But yeah.
Um, anyway.
The world sucks.
Yeah, it does right now.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12):
But Merry Christmas.
Oh, speaking of that, we'regonna drop next week's episode
on Christmas Eve, which isWednesday, so instead of our
usual Friday drop.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26):
So because we don't want you guys to have to go like
through Christmas without one ofour new episodes.
Right.
It's pre-recorded, so um it'sentertaining.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39):
I don't think I've really Taylor Swift.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42):
You you saw the documentary.
Yes, yes.
Or two of the six, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:47):
Yes, two of the six have dropped so far.
It I laughed, I cried, Iclapped, I screamed.
I loved it.
Love it, love it, love it.
I love her.
She's amazing.
Yes.
And you get a little insight, alittle, um, you get to see the
early parts of like her andTravis, like her riding in the
back of the car, like talking onthe cell phone with him.

(02:09):
Yeah.
Like, I wish you were here.
Oh, I wish I was there too.
And it's all like cute andstuff.
But speaking of Travis Kelsey,your football season got better
this past weekend.
Chiefs got eliminated from theplayoffs.

SPEAKER_03 (02:26):
Yeah, so I said that the Eagles have been suffering,
which, oh yeah.
Um, but it made me feel a littlebit better.
But the Chiefs sucked worse.
So, you know, I mean the thingof it is it's so hard to come
back after you've been to theSuper Bowl and won the Super

(02:46):
Bowl the next season to comeback and be able to keep up the
caliber that you had.
I mean, you lose coaches, youlose players, it's it's it's
very difficult.

SPEAKER_02 (02:57):
So And I believe in like a mojo to a team, like
something just clicks justright.
I've seen it in other sportswhere it just seems like it's
just they're just ready.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (03:09):
And then, you know, and then they won it.
Mm-hmm.
So that chip is off theshoulder, and you know, you're
you're playing a little bit witha swagger, and you and then
everybody's gunning for youbecause you're the Super Bowl
champion.
So, you know, not to say theyhaven't sucked major ass.
And I was yelling for the Hertzto be benched, and they did, you

(03:32):
know.
Of course, but they won the gamelike they're supposed to.
Yeah.
In the fashion that they shouldhave.

SPEAKER_02 (03:41):
Yes, yes.
Thank God it wasn't a close oneagainst the Raiders.
I mean, I'm pretty sure Isingle-handedly could have gone
out and beat that Raiders team.

SPEAKER_03 (03:48):
Like they might be awful.
Well, but that that's the thing.
Like, it would have been ourluck that they would have been a
close game.
And then one of those flutes.
If you didn't beat up beat thebricks off of them, right, then
you don't deserve to go to theplayoffs, is my thinking.
And then this week against thecommanders, if we don't beat the

(04:08):
bricks off of them, you know,again.
Although that's a littledifferent because it's a
division game and you know Younever know.
Yeah, those those division gamesare are are tough and whatever.
So yeah, football.

SPEAKER_02 (04:21):
Yeah, and and I also heard um, I think yesterday,
this is the first playoff inlike three decades that Manning,
Brady, or Mahomes haven't beenin the playoffs.
Huh.

unknown (04:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (04:37):
I mean, technically Brady will be there because he's
an announcer, but whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (04:42):
He's a horrible announcer.

SPEAKER_01 (04:44):
Yes.
He's terrible.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (04:46):
And Philip Rivers came back.

SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
Oh Lord.

SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
He probably just wanted to get out of that house,
man.
Ten damn kids and a grandkid.
No, thank you.
He was like, hell today, yeah.
I will suit up and take thepunishment.

SPEAKER_03 (05:01):
He didn't play bad though.
Yeah, I heard.
Yeah, he did all right.
I try to stay away from TV asmuch as possible.
Smart.
Well, because there's so muchChristmas garbage on right now,
and I live with Santa Claus, soI was listening to NPR the other
day and they were at someKrampus festival in Austria.

SPEAKER_02 (05:24):
We have to go.
And it was so cool.
This one kid, he had been aKramp, he was 19, he had been a
Krampus for 14 years.
Uh-huh.
He started at five.
I love that.
And they were like, weren't youscared of Krampus at five?
He's like, I was scared ofKrampus.
I was not scared of beingKrampus.
Yeah, it sounds like thecostumes are amazing the way

(05:45):
they were describing them.

SPEAKER_03 (05:46):
I saw some of them, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (05:47):
And they do actually go around like they don't hit
the kids, but they're harassingpeople.
They hit people with switches,and the one reporter guy's like,
Oh, that actually hurts.
He's like, I didn't even hit youhard, like at all.

SPEAKER_03 (05:58):
I want to go.
We gotta go next year.

SPEAKER_02 (06:01):
Yeah.
Exactly.
But it sounded like just anamazing time.

SPEAKER_03 (06:08):
Yeah.
Uh what else?
Um, my sister's here.

SPEAKER_02 (06:15):
Uh-oh.
I think.
Wait a minute, did I take notes?

SPEAKER_03 (06:20):
I didn't.
Um, I can't think of anythingelse.

SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
Oh, I did write, um, I did write myself a note to
remember that um I knew we weregonna win when I saw that Joe
Biden was at the game.

SPEAKER_03 (06:32):
I know on Sunday when they showed him, I was
like, oh, and in that cold Iknow.
You know, it was funny.
He did look good.
Um one of my coworkers hadseason tickets.
No joke.
Three or four rows behind uswhere our season tickets were.
No kidding.
Get out! Yeah, that's so weird.

(06:53):
Um, he had season tickets there,and Monday he has this two years
ago, I think he stopped going.
He gave his tickets, I thinkit's to his nephew or something.
Anyway, he stopped going.
And Monday morning when we camein, he and I were walking out to
start our trucks at the sametime, and he looked at me and he
was like, Bet you're glad youweren't at that game yesterday.

(07:14):
And I was like, You bet yourass.
I was glad.
And he was like, 44 years ofdoing it for me, and I was like,
25 for me.
Yep.
I was like, and that yesterday,because it was a blowout,
uh-huh.
So it was just sitting in thefreaking cold, fighting to get
up there in the snow.

SPEAKER_02 (07:31):
Man, they showed the gates, I think, usually open at
6 for um tailgating, and theyhad to put it off till 7:30, but
lined up around the city,waiting to get in there.
And yeah, just doing it up likethey do.

SPEAKER_03 (07:45):
Yeah, I just I was I said to him, I was like, you
know, it's not even so much thesitting in the cold for five and
a half hours.
It's the once you get back inthe car, and it's for me, it's a
it's a solid two and a half tothree hour drive home after
sitting out in the cold, andthen you get that heat on, and

(08:08):
by the time you hit likeNewcastle, which is like an hour
away, you're like, I'm not gonnabe able to stay awake for the
rest of this journey.
Yeah, it is so much fun though.
Did you ever tailgate?

unknown (08:19):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (08:19):
Oh, once we did.
Yeah.
Uh every now and then we wouldbecause we knew people that
tailgated, but okay.
Not my cup of tea.

SPEAKER_02 (08:26):
I had a lot of fun tailgating there.

SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
It's it's really fun there.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think, yeah, I thinkthat's it.
I know I did finish decoratingfor Christmas.
I'm happy about that.
Um, yeah, that's about it.
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
So uh like, share, rate, review.
Yes.
Uh, you can find us wherever youlisten to podcasts.
Yes.
Please follow us on all thesocials at like whatever pod.

SPEAKER_03 (08:54):
For whatever reason.
YouTube.
We don't even hardly have anyvideos on there.
But for whatever reason.
Thank you, YouTube listeners.

SPEAKER_02 (09:07):
Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (09:08):
We're close to monetizing on on YouTube.
Oh, that's exciting.

SPEAKER_02 (09:13):
Maybe we will make it to Krampus Fest next year.
Um, check out our website atwww.likewhateverpod.com.

SPEAKER_03 (09:24):
Um I do a blog.

unknown (09:26):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (09:27):
I have two blogs.
I have two blogs.

SPEAKER_04 (09:28):
I totally forgot about the blog.

SPEAKER_03 (09:29):
I did two.
Well, I try to get them outrelevant to the post, uh
relevant to the episode onFriday.
I try to get the post out onFriday also.
But this week I forgot it did aswell.
So it didn't go out until I wantto say Saturday or Sunday.
But um, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:49):
Yeah, it's funny because when we talked about it
last week, I went home and Ilooked at your blogs and I
thought about blogs, and then Iwent to sleep and woke up the
next day and it was all gone.

SPEAKER_03 (10:00):
Yeah, I try to keep it relevant to the episode.
Yeah.
Last week I did it on it was onarcade.
Arcades.
No, no.
Last week was not on arcades.
It was on toys.
Toys.
It was Christmas toys.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (10:14):
So check out my blog.
Did you like the picture of thecobra snake?
I did.
I was so fucking jealous.
I used to love making that one.
All right.
Um, or send us an email too,like whatever pod.
Oh, not a comp.
That part too.
Yeah.
All right.
So speaking of heavy this week,um let's fuck around and find

(10:37):
out about my favorite Rob Reinermovies.

SPEAKER_03 (10:40):
R.I.P.
Rob Reiner.

SPEAKER_02 (10:42):
Yeah.
Um very sad.
I mean, very sad.
Like I woke up that morning andI was like, wait, what?
Because you know, you have thenews on, you're making coffee
and brushing your teeth, andyou're just I was like, what are
they talking about?
And then at first, because theywere like Rob Reiner and his
wife found dead in their home.
So I thought of Gene Hackman atfirst.

(11:04):
Right.
And that's what my just awakebrain was like.
Oh, they must have found somenew stuff out about that or
something.
But then I saw it and I waslike, no, no, no, wait.
And then it just so much of GenX is Rob Reiner.
I mean, you don't even realizeit from acting things he did

(11:27):
from movies that he producedfrom um actors that came out of,
you know, and had pretty goodcareers that started in a Rob
Reiner movie.

SPEAKER_03 (11:39):
Um I saw it on because usually in the morning I
just put TikTok on and kind ofwalk away from it because you
can hear it and I don't reallyhave to pay that much attention
to it.
And I was zooming through it andsomebody said, and I was like,
half the time you can't believeany, literally anything on
there.
So I was like, oh, okay.

(12:00):
And I didn't even bother to Iwas in a hurry.
I I don't know, I just didn't, Izoomed past it, and I was like,
oh okay.
And then and then when you textme, I was like, oh shit, wait,
was that real?
Just the way the guy was talkingabout how when it happened, it
seemed one of those that waslike too fantastical to have
happened.
Right.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (12:20):
So yeah.
Um, so I just wanted to pay alittle tribute to him and a lot
of my favorite movies from mychildhood.
Um he did.
So I just want to talk about hima little bit today.

SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
And I didn't realize he was married to Penny
Marshall.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he adopted her daughter.
Yeah, I didn't realize that.
Yep, yep.
Meathead and Laverne.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I love that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (12:48):
All right.
So Rob Reiner was such a bigpart of my childhood when I was
a Gen Xer.
And remembering my dad crackingup watching All in the Family
was just.
I mean, it Archibunker.
I I almost want to say he stoodthe test of time.
There was a lot not correct, buthe was also just a grumpy old

(13:11):
man spouting off at the mouth.

SPEAKER_03 (13:13):
I I don't think I think the thing about it is the
way he treated his wife wasterrible.
Yeah.
Um, but I think Gloria and whatwas his name on the Meathead.
I don't like anything that wasMeathead.
I I think it was Mike Michael.
Was it Michael?
I think so.
Anyhow.

(13:34):
I think they kind of were themoral compass of it.
So I think it it it maybe doesstand the test of time because
you're getting the He wasn'tjust left free to just Just do
what he wanted.
He was called out on it, and youknow.

SPEAKER_02 (13:50):
Yeah.
Um so and then there's the lifelessons that we learned from
Stand By Me.
Like that movie was just they onSaturday morning, um, on the
news, somebody had uh Charlie noO'Connell.

SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
Carol O'Connor.
No, the guy O'Connell.

SPEAKER_02 (14:16):
The the guy who played the heavyset kid in Stand
By Me.
Oh, oh.
And now he's Jerry, I think.
Jerry, yeah.
Did we not say that?

SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
I don't think so.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (14:29):
We're both a little brain dead.
Um, he was on and he was on theWest Coast, of course, so it was
like four o'clock in themorning, and he just the shock
on his face, like he just was sostunned and talking about how
you know, as a kid he was heavyset and he had trouble getting
roles, and he wasn't veryself-confident.

(14:50):
And Rob Reiner actually, when hewas filming Stand By Me, um
Jerry said that he kind ofad-libbed a little part of it,
and then he got like so scaredbecause he was like, Oh, I'm
gonna get criticized, or youknow, I told I'm doing it wrong.
And Rob Reiner was like, Yes,that's exactly it.
Just keep doing that, like it'sperfect.

(15:11):
And like that's how he got builtup.
And it we've just heard so manywonderful things about him this
week.

SPEAKER_03 (15:17):
I mean, he was not a your typical Hollywood star to
begin with.
I mean, on All in the Family, hewas a well, he was an Epo baby.

unknown (15:26):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (15:27):
And we'll get to that.
Okay.
I don't know much.
I don't know much about himother than you'll know it when
we get there.
All right.

SPEAKER_03 (15:33):
Um I'll just listen.

SPEAKER_02 (15:37):
To me, one of the greatest love stories is not
Rocky.
I mean, it Rocky is a lovestory.
But when Harry met Sally, God, Ijust love that movie so much.
And it it was so it was at atime in my life where I was
starting, you know, my lateteens, and you know, love and

(15:58):
love sick and all that goodstuff.
And you're seeing these twoadults, and and I had a lot of
guy friends, and it was like,can you actually have a guy and
a girl be friends and not havethere be some sort of tension
there between the two of them?
And I always kind of connectedto that, but so I love that one.
Um, of course, the ever-quotablecult classic, The Princess

(16:18):
Bride.
I think we all I mean uh I'mgonna get into that later.
Um, these ones I'm listing now,I'm going to um talk about a
little bit more later, but Iwant to talk more about Rob
Reiner first.
And then um, yeah, the stressand um that was induced on my
young little brain when Iwatched Misery.

(16:39):
I still have scenes from thatburned in my brain.
That movie scared the crap outof me.
Yeah, like she was nuts.
Yeah, and I was always kind ofafraid of getting kidnapped
anyway, so like yeah I nevercared.
Please take me away.
So Reiner was completelyintertwined into our generation.

(16:59):
He gave us This Is Spinal Tap, AFew Good Men, and The Wolf of
Wall Street.
It was and all of these are sorandom, too.
Like, he didn't certainly have agenre that he ran with.
Um, he had roles himself inThrow Mama from the Train,
another one of my absolutefavorite movies.
Just watched that the othernight.

(17:20):
Oh my gosh.
I need to re-watch it soon.
I it keeps popping up, and I'mlike, I need to watch that.
Um, Sleepless in Seattle.
Uh, he was in the Andy Griffithsshow, The Partridge Family, and
the Rockford Files.

SPEAKER_04 (17:32):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 (17:34):
Uh, and he was even the first celebrity to guest on
a game show, which was Pyramid.
Huh.
It must have been before it wasthe$10,000 pyramid and then the
$100,000 pyramid.
It was just pyramid.
They didn't want to put like$10pyramid on there.
Nobody would want to come.

SPEAKER_03 (17:51):
It's a dollar pyramid.
You have to pay to be on thepyramid.

SPEAKER_02 (17:56):
Pyramid.
Um, Rob Reiner was born in theBronx on March 6, 1947.
He's also a Pisces like me.
Uh, he was born to actorsEstelle Reiner and Carl Reiner.
His mom started as a cabaretdancer and she appeared in a
number of comedies.

(18:16):
Um, my favorite memory ofEstelle Reiner is her pointing
at Meg Ryan in the diner andsaying, I'll have what she's
having.
I did always know that was hismom.
I did not, but I didn't knowuntil I did this research that
she um she had an acting career,just nothing like real big,

(18:37):
probably things that people bornin like the 40s would remember.
Yeah.
Um, but I think you'll know hisdad.
Um, his dad was in Showbiz forseven decades.
He was the creator of the DickVan Dyke show, and he directed
many movies like Oh God withGeorge Burns.

SPEAKER_03 (18:54):
God damn.
I I need to re-watch thosebecause I wonder if they hold
up.

SPEAKER_02 (18:58):
I know those and Arthur.
Remember Arthur?

SPEAKER_03 (19:01):
I fucking love Arthur.

SPEAKER_02 (19:02):
I know.
I fucking love Arthur.
Um, and he also um made the jerkwith Steve Martin.
Um and my favorite, Saul inOceans 11.

SPEAKER_03 (19:18):
Oh yep.
It's all coming together now.
Yep, yep.
He does look just like him nowthat you say that.
Yep, he does.
Alrighty then.

SPEAKER_02 (19:29):
I told you you don't.
Um, Reiner was an activist.
He co-founded the AmericanFoundation for Equal Rights,
which initiated the courtchallenge against California
Prop 8 that banned same-sexmarriage.
He also advocated for earlychildhood education and the
environment.
Uh, and in 2006, Reiner wasmentioned as a possible

(19:50):
candidate to run againstSchwarzenegger.
However, he declined.

SPEAKER_03 (19:54):
Yeah.
I'm gonna keep my politicalviews to myself.

SPEAKER_02 (20:00):
Currently, because yesterday there was some things
that I think it's fair foranybody to attack him for what
he said yesterday.

SPEAKER_03 (20:08):
It's fucking ridiculous.
I mean that's disgusting.
You are a disgusting humanbeing.

SPEAKER_02 (20:13):
So disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 (20:14):
Everybody jumped, everybody shit over the Charlie
Kirk nonsense.
Yes.
That wasn't even against CharlieKirk.

SPEAKER_02 (20:22):
Right.
It was against the movement.

SPEAKER_03 (20:24):
Yeah.
And then and people were gettingfired for it, and people are,
you know, and and and you comeout and you say, oh, he had
Trump derangement syndrome andthat was what his issue was.
Like just don't say anything.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (20:38):
Well.
If you could see the look shejust gave.

SPEAKER_03 (20:42):
I mean, come on.
It's a human being who who waskilled.
Doesn't matter.
Like, I did not care for CharlieKirk.
Did I go around sayinghallelujah, praise the Lord,
that the man was dead?
No, I did not.

SPEAKER_02 (20:54):
To be honest, I didn't even know who Charlie
Kirk was until he got murdered.

SPEAKER_03 (20:58):
Mostly because he's on the ticket, he's on my
tickety talk.

SPEAKER_02 (21:01):
Oh, and I'm not on TikTok.

SPEAKER_03 (21:02):
Because he would have people come in and he would
argue with you.

SPEAKER_04 (21:07):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (21:08):
Yeah, there's another guy that does it on the
other side of the coin.
Okay.
And so for whatever reason,Charlie Kirk would come on my
algorithm.
Anyway, I guess because it's allpolitical nonsense.
Anyway, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_02 (21:22):
I mean, even Michelle Obama went on a late
night show last night, and shewas like, unlike some people, he
had dignity or something.
Like she didn't mention him byname, but she certainly
mentioned him.

SPEAKER_03 (21:34):
It's just, I mean, come on.
Like, wake up, people.
Wake up.

SPEAKER_02 (21:38):
Yeah.
Even as even as people werelike, that put the Kool-Aid
down.

SPEAKER_03 (21:44):
Put it down.
You know what happens when youdrink too much Kool-Aid.
Diabetes.
You're gonna get the diabetes.
Yeah.
Put it down.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
Flavorade, not Kool-Aid, Ishould say.
Kool-Aid people get very upsetwhen you say that.
Oh.
Well.
Yeah, because it wasn'tKool-Aid.
Yeah.
It was flavorade.

SPEAKER_00 (22:06):
Oh, the cheap knockoff.

SPEAKER_03 (22:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (22:09):
Oh man, that does suck.
Yeah.
I'd be pissed too.

SPEAKER_03 (22:12):
It probably tasted gross.
I hated flavored.
I mean, it was flavored withcyanide in it, so probably not
great.
Don't doesn't doesn't cyanidelike smell like almonds, or is
that bitter?

SPEAKER_00 (22:26):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (22:27):
I think it does.
Something smells like almonds.

SPEAKER_00 (22:32):
Um, probably.
Maybe.
Or maybe um, what's that onethat starts with an X or an A?

SPEAKER_03 (22:39):
Oh, arsenic.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Either way.
If your flavor aid smells likealmonds, don't drink it.

SPEAKER_02 (22:48):
I wonder if it tasted like the grape Kool-Aid
and grain alcohol that we usedto drink out of the polar when
we were kids.

SPEAKER_03 (22:56):
Man.
Yeah.
Shoo.
Yeah.
I lost so many brain cells.
So many brain cells.
That's why I don't drink thesedays.
Grain alcohol and Kool-Aid iswhat killed my ability to drink
at this time in my life.

(23:17):
Oh Lord.

SPEAKER_02 (23:19):
Oh, this is a perfect time.
Because I forgot to do thisearlier.
I brought you another treasurethis week.
And it is a whole little stack.
Oh no.
Oh.
Of 1992.
Look at that.

SPEAKER_00 (23:34):
Delaware.

SPEAKER_02 (23:35):
Look at that.
Pepsi.
There's some really Gen X, likea phone with a cord.

SPEAKER_03 (23:40):
This one's me very drunk.
Is this Philadelphia?
Oh, is that where you're smokingwith your toes?
Uh-huh.
Oh, that's Philadelphia.

SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (23:48):
Look at that purse.
I miss that purse.
Smoking in the hotel room.
Oh, yeah, man.
That's when you were stillallowed to do that.
Got me drinking what?
Vodka and Pepsi?
Probably.
Look at that.
That's a gorgeous picture.
Who was drinking the MountainDew?
Dale.

SPEAKER_02 (24:09):
Yep.
Oh yeah.
Because that's what he put onhis lucky charms, right?
Or do you put Pepsi on his luckycharms?

SPEAKER_03 (24:15):
You put Pepsi on his lucky charms.

SPEAKER_02 (24:16):
Oh God, that was so gross.
Dale, you're gross.

SPEAKER_03 (24:19):
Look how young I am.
Holy Moses.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (24:26):
She was getting on your nerves in that picture.

SPEAKER_03 (24:28):
Imagine that.
Uh-huh.

unknown (24:30):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (24:32):
These were the days and passed out.
That's how Nicole spent the marmajority of her time.
Yeah.
Which is why I found out.
We all look drunk here.

SPEAKER_01 (24:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:45):
I would say hi, but I know it wasn't hi.
No.
That was only when we went toJimmy's dorm.

SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:51):
Oh, look at that.
That's the Velveteen Rabbit.
Mm-hmm.
Winnie the Pooh and theVelveteen Rabbit also drank.
Uh-huh.
Peach Snops.
Oh, you had peach snaps.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
And I had the vodka.
Of course.
Very cheap.

(25:11):
Striking a pose.
Yep.
Ugh, that jacket.
Girl.
Yeah.
I know.
I remember getting it.
Look at us.
So young.
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (25:25):
Did you get to the one where they were body
slamming in your no, not yet.

SPEAKER_03 (25:29):
But I know what one you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 (25:31):
There's a couple on there that we've posted on.
Oh, there it is.

SPEAKER_03 (25:38):
This one's my favorite.
I know.
That's me reading the flannel.

SPEAKER_02 (25:42):
That's why I saved that one for the last.

SPEAKER_03 (25:44):
It's me reading the Bible in my favorite flannel.

SPEAKER_02 (25:47):
Yeah?

SPEAKER_03 (25:48):
Is that the flannel you have of mine?
I think it is.
That's my favorite.
Let me see.

SPEAKER_02 (25:53):
I think that is the one.

SPEAKER_03 (25:55):
We'll put that one up.

SPEAKER_02 (25:56):
Yeah, and I was planning.
That's why I put that one at thelast of the pile, too.
So it would be the last one youread.

SPEAKER_03 (26:01):
That's great.
It is.
You were trying.
I was trying.
I was preaching the word.
You were.
I was seriously drunk.
If I am preaching the word, Ihave had too much.

SPEAKER_02 (26:18):
Oh my.
So the first movie, um, RobReiner's movie, I want to review
for those of you who haven'tseen it in a while.
Um, Stand By Me.
Uh, so Stand By Me is a 1986American coming of age drama
film directed by Rob Reinerbased on Stephen King's 1982
novella, The Body.

(26:40):
It's also funny that Rob Reinerdid multiple Stephen King
movies.

SPEAKER_03 (26:44):
So I was watching a thing the other day in which
you're supposed to watch themovies in a certain order, and
that they will make sense.
Apparently they all live in thesame universe, which makes sense
because it's Stephen King.
And I don't rem I think thefirst one is like it's the Shaw
Shank Redemption.
And then it's like I don'tremember now.

(27:06):
But there's a certain order thatyou read them in, and the very
last one is Dr.
Sleep.
Ooh.
Yeah.
So I'll have to find it.

SPEAKER_02 (27:16):
Because that includes like it?
Yeah.
Like all of it.

SPEAKER_03 (27:18):
And Welcome to Dairy and all of it.
Yeah.
Apparently they all go together.
Not like Christine or any ofthat, but like some of I I
forget now.
I'll have to look it up again,but it was like a a timeline.
That's kind of cool.
Yeah.
Alright.
Um because Welcome to Dairy isreally good.
Is it?

(27:38):
Yeah.

unknown (27:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
I haven't watched it because I love the original it,
and I tried to watch the new itand I couldn't.
Like I have but it yeah.
It was dumb.

SPEAKER_03 (27:48):
I do like the original one.
Okay.
I think because it's a prequel.
Oh yeah, so you're not not aremake.
You're not comparing him to TimGray.

SPEAKER_02 (27:58):
Right, right, right.
Okay.
Uh so Stand By Me stars WillWheaton, River Phoenix.

unknown (28:06):
Will Wheaton.

SPEAKER_03 (28:07):
My Star Trek.
I know.
I know Will Wheaton.
I I I love Will Wheaton, thehuman being, but his character,
Wesley Crusher, was horrible onthat show.
He's a whiny little brat.
And you know it, Will Wheaton.
But your Big Bang Theory, muchbetter.

SPEAKER_02 (28:27):
Yeah, um, the Lake Great River Phoenix, um, Corey
Feldman, and Jerry O'Connell.
We were correct.
It's set in the summer of 1959in the fictional town of Castle
Rock, Oregon.
Um, the story follows four boyswho embark on a journey to find

(28:48):
the body of a missing boy.
The film begins with an adult umnamed Gordie Lechance, who was
Richard Dreyfus, another actor Ilove, love, love.

SPEAKER_03 (29:00):
I hear he's a jackass, though.
Really?
I have not heard good thingsabout him.

SPEAKER_00 (29:04):
Yep.
Right.
I'm gonna pretend like I didn'thear that.

SPEAKER_03 (29:07):
I mean, too, because of Jaws, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (29:09):
Um so he was reading a newspaper article about a
fatal stabbing, which promptshim to recall his childhood.
Flashing back to 1959, youngGordy, played by Will Wheaton,
and his friends Chris Chambers,played by River Phoenix, Teddy
Duchamp, played by uh CoreyFeldman, and Vern Tessio Tassio,

(29:32):
uh, who was Jerry O'Connell.

SPEAKER_03 (29:34):
Was there a movie that then that did not have
Corey Feldman in it?
No, it had one of the quarriesin it, or both.
I guess we'll have to do oneepisode on the quarries.

SPEAKER_02 (29:44):
Yes.
Um, and they learn about thelocation of the body of the
missing boy, Ray Browser Brower.
Uh, they decide to find thebody, hoping to become local
heroes.
The boys set out on foot,navigating the countryside and
facing various challenges.
Along the way, they sharepersonal stories and bond over

(30:06):
their individual struggles.
Gordy, who is grappling with arecent death of his older
brother Denny, who was played byJohn Kuzack, another name you
might know if you're Dun X.

SPEAKER_03 (30:15):
I love him.

SPEAKER_02 (30:16):
I know.
I love his sister too.

SPEAKER_03 (30:18):
He is also a big activist, and I do love his
sister.
Yes.
He puts her in all of hismovies.
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 (30:23):
Uh, and feeling neglected by his grieving
parents, finds solace in hisfriends.
The journey brings the boys faceto face with both both physical
and emotional trials.
They encounter a train on anarrow bridge, narrowly escaping
death, and are harassed by localbullies, including Ace Merrill,
who is Kiefer Sutherland.
I love Kiefer.

(30:44):
Another name you may have heard.
Um, the boys' camaraderie istested as they confront their
fears and insecurities.
Eventually, the boys find RayBrower's body.
Their moment of triumph isshort-lived as Ace and his gang
arrive intending to claim thediscovery for themselves.
In a tense standoff, Chrisbrandishes a gun, forcing Ace to

(31:06):
back down.
The boys realize that findingthe body has been a
transformative experience,making them reassess their lives
and their futures.
The boys return home, havingdecided to leave the body and
call in an anonymous tip to theauthorities.
The journey marks the end oftheir innocence and the
beginning of their transitioninto adulthood.

(31:26):
Boo.
The film concludes with theadult Gordy reflecting on the
impact of the journey and theenduring bond with his childhood
friends.
It's debatable that Stand By Meis the best Stephen King movie
of all time, and equallydebatable that it's one of Rob
Briner's best movies.
Alright, so my next movie I wantto talk about is when Harry Met

(31:48):
Sally.
Love this movie so much.
And I I mean, I just loved BillyCrystal as a kid.
I think pretty much anything Isaw him in, including Saturday
Night Live.

SPEAKER_03 (31:58):
You look marvelous.

SPEAKER_02 (32:01):
Um I'm not a chick flick, so I'm well that's the
funny thing is I hatechick-flicks.
Like it is not my thing.
Not a rom-com.
No, no.
Hallmark.
God no.
That would be a good way totorture me if you ever kidnap
me.
Make me watch Hallmark movies.
But yeah, I I am not into thechick flicks at all.

(32:23):
But this one, I mean, it is theboy meets girl, boy and girl
breakup, boy and girl gettogether, which is the normal
format.
But this spans over decades.
Yes.
And I think that's what made itmore.
Anyway.
Anywho.
She's making me get defensive.
Um I I didn't I didn't make herdo anything.

(32:46):
Um in 1990, blah, blah, blah.
In 1977, Harry Burns, played byBilly Crystal, and Sally
Albright, played by Meg Ryan,share a car ride from the
University of Chicago to NewYork City.
Their personalities instantlyclash.
Harry is cynical, blunt, andbelieves men and women can't be
friends because the sex partalways gets in the way.

(33:08):
Sally, on the other hand, isoptimistic, organized, and
slightly neurotic.
I think she was more thanslightly neurotic.
Um, the road trip ends with thetwo parting ways, both
unimpressed with each other.
Years later, they meet again atthe airport.
Sally is dating one of Harry'sfriends while Harry is engaged.
Their conversation revisitstheir earlier argument,

(33:30):
revealing that neither haschanged much.
Once again, they part ways, notexactly as friends, but with a
sense of mutual awareness.
Another five years pass.
Both Harry and Sally have brokenup with their partners.
They reconnect by chance at abookstore, and this time to
decide to become friends.
I guess so if you just keptrandomly running into somebody.

(33:51):
I mean, obviously it's meant tobe.
Especially in New York City.
I think it's real.
A lot of people there.
Yeah.
Uh their platonic bond grows asthey share late-night phone
calls, lunch outings, andendless discussions about
relationships, loneliness, andlove.
This portion of the film is theheart of the story, funny,
bittersweet, and incrediblyhuman.

(34:12):
The friendship is genuine, butlaced with unspoken attraction.
One evening, after Sally breaksdown in tears over her
ex-boyfriend's engagement, Harrycomforts her and they end up
sleeping together.
It's so funny as I read throughthis, I am picturing every
single scene in my head.
Like I've seen this movie somany times.
I don't think I've seen it atall.

(34:33):
The next morning, awkwardnessreplaces affection.
Harry retreats emotionally, uh,afraid of what their intimacy
means while Sally feelsrejected.
Their friendship collapses underthe weight of confusion and
hurt.
Months later, at their friend'swedding, Jess and Marie, who are
played by Bruno Kirby and CarrieFisher.
Carrie Fisher.

(34:53):
I know.
Um, their tension resurfaces.
Both realize how deeply theother's absence affects them.
Harry tries to apologize, butSally refuses to forgive him,
claiming he cannot just show upand fix everything with words.
On New Year's Eve, Harry wandersthe streets of New York,
reflecting on his mistakes.
He finally rushes to the partywhere Sally is celebrating.

(35:16):
Out of breath and desperate, heconfesses, I got goosebumps just
now.
Um, and I for realed it.
Uh when you realize you want tospend the rest of your life with
somebody, you want the rest ofyour life to start as soon as
possible.
Sally initially resists, angrythat he's only saying this
because he's lonely.
But when Harry starts listingall the little things he loves
about her, how she orders food,how she gets cold when it's 70

(35:39):
degrees 71 degrees, how shetakes an hour to order a
sandwich, Sally realizes he'ssincere.
She bursts into tears, theykiss, and the crowd counts down
to midnight.
In the epilogue, Harry and Sallyappear as one of the elderly
couples featured throughout thefilm telling their story of
marriage and timing, provingthat love in the end finds its

(36:00):
way.
Yeah.
Whatever.
I love it.

SPEAKER_03 (36:08):
And now we're gonna play play.
We're gonna play that music.

SPEAKER_06 (36:20):
Because I read your tea like and feel her teenage
black.
So I guess that's and freak yoursoul.

SPEAKER_02 (36:30):
Okay, so today is Sunday.
Sunday.
Yes.
Uh Sunday, April 8th, 1984.
Yes.
Um that in Nicole's diary, bythe way.
You didn't go back in time.
It is not actually April 8th,1984.
All right, so on this day, it'sa Sunday.

(36:52):
That means I had to get up andgo to church.
Oh no, I didn't.
Oh.
Today I never woke up till 10:30a.m.

SPEAKER_03 (36:59):
Okay, she is a long sleeper anyway.
It's like impossible to get herup early.

SPEAKER_02 (37:07):
I mean, to this day, well, it's not as easy because I
have arthritis and stuff, sothings start to hurt when you
stay in bed too long.
But I have not so long ago slepttill like 11 o'clock on a
Saturday.
Oh no.
Like, yeah.
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 (37:22):
Another way we are complete and total opposite.

SPEAKER_02 (37:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, but I was uh uh I slept till10:30 because I was up because
of last night.
And if you remember last week wewent to Jersey for Ann Gladys's
wedding and we didn't get hometill 12:30.
12:30.
So I had to sleep till 10:30.

SPEAKER_03 (37:40):
She had to sleep.
Almost 12 hours.

SPEAKER_02 (37:42):
And I probably slept a three-hour car ride on the way
to.
Unless I was hyped from thewedding.
I don't know, maybe.
Um, in the morning we hadbreakfast and played outside for
almost all of the rest of theday.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
Back when kids did that.
Yes.

(38:03):
Get off my lawn.
Um, we went in and had a pieceof Aunt Gladys's cake.

unknown (38:10):
Nice.

SPEAKER_02 (38:10):
Leftovers.
License after playing outsideall day.
Today we had to leave forDelaware from New Jersey.
Oh, so we didn't go home.
Oh, we didn't get last week.
We didn't go home till 12:30,still in Jersey.
Oh.
Sure shit.
No wonder.
So tired.
You did not sleep in the car,right?

(38:32):
I did not.
Um.

unknown (38:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (38:36):
When did we leave for Delaware if we played
outside?
All right, anyway.
Um all day.
11-year-old me is confusing me.
Um, on the way home, we stoppedat White Castle.
Oh my god.
Where the fuck is there a WhiteCastle?

SPEAKER_03 (38:50):
New Jersey.

SPEAKER_02 (38:51):
In Jersey, there used to be tons of White Castles
back in the day.
There is actually one, I want tosay between 10 and 15 years ago
on my birthday.
There was one about four hoursaway, I think, in Elizabeth, New
Jersey.
That's too far.
And we took a um road trip justto go get White Castles.
And they were so good.

(39:11):
Oh my god, they're so good.
Um if you don't know what WhiteCastle is, by the way, because I
think it's strictly like aJersey thing.
I don't even know where else inthe country is.
Yeah, because there's thatmovie.
Uh yeah.
But they're in Jersey, aren'tthey?

unknown (39:26):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (39:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But anyway, they are theselittle tiny OG sliders that have
probably been around had beenaround since the 50s.
I think there are still a couplelittle ones here and there, but
they were these cheap littleburgers.
They were square, um, small, andthey came on a really greasy
bun, and they had um fried dicedonions and a pickle slice.

(39:49):
Yes.
And of course, you could getthem with cheese or you could
add stuff, but no, you wanted itjust the way it was made.
And you could buy like a wholebag full of um and And they're
my they were my parents'favorite, like yeah, anyway,
really, really greasy, reallydelicious.
But the person that I went tothe White Castle with not so

(40:10):
long, or like 10 or 12 yearsago, thought they were gross, so
it might be something you had togrow up with.
I don't know.
But if you see a White Castle, Iwould still try it.
Um okay, so we stopped at WhiteCastle and we got some White
Castles.
Yeah, yeah, hence the name.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um when we got to Felton to takemy stepsister and stepbrother

(40:34):
home and picked up Trouble, whowas our dog, from our friend's
house.
We stopped at the store to get asoda.
What your mom let you have asodium she probably got a soda,
and I watched her drink it and Ijust marked it down like we got
a soda.

(40:55):
But yeah, pretty, pretty, prettyintense weekend for 11-year-old
me.
Yeah.
That was crazy.
That was so crazy.
Until 1230, sleeping.

SPEAKER_03 (41:05):
Until 10:30.
She had White Castles.

SPEAKER_04 (41:08):
Man.

SPEAKER_03 (41:09):
Ugh.
Wish I had a dialogue.

SPEAKER_02 (41:11):
What a time to be alive.
I'll tell you.
On to the next movie.
I think this is a lot ofpeople's favorite on this list,
The Princess Bride.
And before I get into the movie,I wanted to go through because
there are so many people in thismovie.
Like it's crazy how many peopleare in this movie.

(41:31):
Um, and back then there werenobody.
And now it's just okay.
So anyway, um, so we're gonnastart with uh Carrie El How do
you say his name?
I don't know.
Elwis.
Uh he's the one that playedWesley.
Uh he was also in The Men inBlack.
He was what we played Oh, DreadPirate Roberts.

(41:55):
Um he was in Robin Hood Men andTights, he was in Twister and
Bram Stroker's Dracula.
I don't remember him in the lastone.
I was wondering if you would.

SPEAKER_03 (42:07):
Um, yes, I do.
Okay.
I remember him in Dracula now.

SPEAKER_02 (42:12):
Yeah, okay.
I was gonna say I saw hisvampire.
He was the cowboy.
Okay.
I saw his vampire name, but Icouldn't remember what it was.
All right, so then Robin Wright,who I love.
I just love her.

SPEAKER_03 (42:23):
Look, she is the biggest villain in any movie
ever.
I'm sorry, you can come at meevery which way.
I knew you were gonna be I thisis a hill I will die on.
Number one villain of all time.

SPEAKER_02 (42:44):
So not in this movie.
No, so she did play buttercup inthis movie.
However, the movie that um isbeing referenced by Heather here
is Florest Gump.

SPEAKER_03 (42:53):
Villainous, horrible human being.
Uh she was Sometimes there justaren't enough rocks.
I say that literally all thetime.
I used to say it to Christineall the time.
Sometimes when we were sad, wewould just text each other.
Sometimes there aren't enoughrocks.

(43:15):
And when she passed, I wrotethat sometimes there just aren't
enough rocks.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And there's not.

SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
Yep.
It's funny.
We both tie a lot of strongconnection to Forrest Gump
because um I've never seenForrest Gump because my first
marriage, um, when I decided totell my ex-husband that I wanted
a divorce, he had turned onForrest Gump.
We had never seen it.
And like a minute in, I told himI wanted a divorce.

(43:47):
And you can imagine where theconversation went from there.
And I never actually watched it,and so just for fuck's sake, I'm
just never gonna watch it.
I feel like it has its moment intime and it can just sit right
there.
It's a great movie, but yeah,yeah, I'm sure.
And I'm sure through the yearsof my life I have seen the whole
thing in clips here and therebecause it's referenced often.

(44:09):
I get the gist.
Yeah, um, yeah, so anyway, yeah.
Uh anyway, Robin Wright was alsoin House of Cards, which I
thought was an excellent show.
Um not counting, we won't talkabout that, but anyway, she was
great in it.
Uh, and she was married to SeanPenn.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

(44:29):
And they had kids together too.
But she's also just been in aton of stuff.
Like, it's crazy.
You'll be like, oh my god, thereshe is again.
Um, she's been in somethingrecently in a series, I want to
say on like Netflix orsomething, but I've watched so
much TV lately I can't remember,but I remember her being really
good in that too.
All right, so next MandyPetenkin was um Enego Montuya.

SPEAKER_03 (44:51):
I love Mandy Petinkin.
Have I ever mentioned that therewas a TV show and it only had
two series, two seasons, andit's called Dead Like Me.
And Mandy Petinkin is in it, andit is one of the greatest TV
shows I have ever watched.

SPEAKER_02 (45:06):
Is it?
It's one that kept popping upwhen I was researching him.
Mm-hmm.
I kept seeing that.

SPEAKER_03 (45:10):
It's a fucking amazing show.
I don't know why it only gotthey're Grim Reapers.
What?
Yeah, it's great.
It's great.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
He's like the leader of the GrimReapers.
Wow.
It's a great if you have neverheard of it, if you haven't, it
was like I said, I think it wason Showtime and or HBO or one of

(45:32):
those, and it was literally twoseasons and then it completely
went away.
And I don't know why, because itwas I don't even think they
ended it.

SPEAKER_02 (45:40):
Like they must have gone a long time ago.
Because I wonder if COVID wouldcount.
No, it was it was before that.

SPEAKER_03 (45:47):
It was way longer than that.

SPEAKER_02 (45:48):
Yeah.
But he has found fame in a lotof TV shows.
He was has been on Chicago Hope,Criminal Minds, and Homeland.
He's great on Criminal Minds.
I've heard that.
I don't watch those shows, but Ilove him on Criminal Minds.
Yeah.
Um, okay.
Andre the Giant was Fezick.

(46:09):
I love Andre the Giant.
I don't think we need to say anymore about that.
If you don't know who he is,look him up.
Shame on you.
What are you doing here?
Who are you?
Uh Wallace Sean was Vizzini.
The uh he was in Clueless, andhe has been the voice in a ton
of cartoon shows and movies.

(46:29):
So he was the little guy thatwith the wine and tried to get
him to drink the wine, then hedrank his own wine.
He's great.
He is awesome.
And it's like I couldn't even,he must have been in 50
different movies.
Like he's been a character,yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:43):
Because of his voice.
Yeah.
Um clueless, great movie, also.

SPEAKER_02 (46:48):
And he was in some other movies that were popular,
but I couldn't picture him inthose movies, so I don't want to
be like, well, if he's only init for like 10 seconds or
something.

SPEAKER_03 (46:54):
Can I just take a second?
Because you know what movie Iabsolutely love, and I don't
know if it's like a if I shouldlove it.
I mean, I'd love it, and I'm notgonna be ashamed of it, but um
legally blonde is I can quotethat movie head to toe.
I don't know why clueless andlegally blonde stay in the same

(47:17):
world for me, but ah, damn.

SPEAKER_01 (47:20):
Yeah, yeah, we all have our guilty pleasures.

SPEAKER_03 (47:22):
But man, legally blonde, what like it's hard?
It's just one of my makes mewant a hot dog real bad.
I just fucking love that movie.
Great movie.

SPEAKER_02 (47:35):
Oh man.
All right, next is ChrisSarandon, who was Prince
Humpered Ink.

SPEAKER_03 (47:43):
And he is also in two of my all-time favorite
movies, uh Fright Knight, wherehe plays Jerry Danders, and he
is the voice of one JackSkellington.

SPEAKER_02 (47:55):
Yep, which is what I wrote because I knew.
I'm pretty sure you were acharmed fan too, weren't you?
Yes, he was.
Yes, he was.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (48:07):
Big Chris Sarandon fan.
Big Chris.

SPEAKER_02 (48:11):
Um let's see.
Then we have Christopher Guess,who was Count Rugen.
Um, he was in This Is SpinalTap, A Few Good Men, and the
1986 version of Little Shop ofHorrors.
That was that was a great movie.
That is a great movie.
Yeah.
Um, that's why I said the 86version because that is
definitely the best one.

SPEAKER_03 (48:31):
My aloe plant that I've actually kept alive is
named Audrey.
Ooh, I like it.
Um I also feed her blood.
Just kidding.
I don't.
Unless she wants it.
Aloe plants do not requireblood.
The cactuses, however, do.

SPEAKER_02 (48:50):
Cactuses.
I swear to God, I could be 10feet away from my cactus and it
will still find a way to get me.
But whatever.
Um, Billy Crystal.
Uh, he was Miracle Max.
Obviously, when Harry met Sally,throw mama from the train, etc.,
because Billy Crystal was ineverything in the 80s.

(49:10):
Carol Kane, who has always beenone of my just favorite actress
from all right, so she playedValerie.
She was um Billy Crystal's wife.
They were the little like trollpeople.
Um, she I remember her from theTV show Taxi, and she played
Simca Gravas, and she was sofunny on that show.

(49:32):
I was very little when that showwas on, and I remember just
cracking up at her.
And then she's a great show,too.
So, so good.
And then she's in probably myfavorite movie of all time,
which is crazy because thiswasn't even listed for her.
I swear to god, I'm the onlyperson in the world that
remembers this movie.
Transylvania 6500.

(49:53):
And she's in that movie with umthere are a lot of actors in
that movie as well.
Gina Davis, Jeff Goldblum, um,the guy who played the principal
on Fair Sprers Day Off and thenturned out to be a pervert.
Also in Beetlejuice.

SPEAKER_01 (50:08):
Oh, yeah.
Isn't it sad?
All our favorite movies have.
Can I divert you again?

SPEAKER_03 (50:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, you know, the MandelaEffect, because this is relevant
to what you just said aboutyou're the only one that
remembers this movie.
Um, so my one of my podcasts Ilistened to did um episode on
the Mandela effect.

SPEAKER_04 (50:28):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (50:29):
And one was uh the Barenstein Bears, as but they're
not the Barenstein Bears,they're the Barenstein Bears,
which I can get that one becauseyou probably just misread it.
Uh-huh.
Um Curious George, not actuallya monkey.
He's an ape and he does not havea tail.
Yeah.
Um, but we all rem collectivelymy mind is blown right now.

(50:51):
Yeah, we all remember thingsdifferently.
And that one is probably becauseyou think of him as a monkey.
Monkeys have tails.
You put the tail there in yourown head, but he does not have a
tail.

SPEAKER_02 (51:00):
I swear to God, a picture of him with a tail.
He does not have to.
Like swinging through the trees,hanging from his tail.

SPEAKER_03 (51:03):
He ha he swings with from his feet.
Yeah.
Anywho, the big one, and this isone that I I will swear to is
the Sinbad is in the movieShazam, when there is actually
no movie called Shazam, withSinbad as a genie.

(51:24):
But we all collectivelyremember, we all know this
movie.

SPEAKER_02 (51:29):
I don't I wouldn't say I remember seeing it, but I
remember that it was a movie.

SPEAKER_03 (51:33):
You didn't.
And here and I found out whythey explained what it actually
is, and then the pieces fellinto my like the little guy that
runs around in my brain wentback to the Sinbad file and was
like, Yep, there it is.
He did a um uh like a um TVthing where they played Sinbad

(51:58):
the pirate.
It was like three movies orsomething, and he narr not
narrated them, but you know howthey used to do that on TV and
they hear.
And he's wearing a purple turbanand he's got on a vest, and it's
the it is the outfit.
I've they've posted thatpicture, right?
That is the picture.
He was wearing that in histhing, and we've because it was

(52:21):
the same time as Shaq's movieKazam, we've all put him in that
movie from Shaq acted that farfar back.

SPEAKER_02 (52:31):
Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_03 (52:32):
And so he posted himself in that and he said,
Mystery solved, here it is, andit was from him doing the it was
like three movies, and you knowhow they did that in the 80s and
90s, where they would put andthen they'd have somebody come.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:48):
Thornbirds was a big one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (52:50):
So that the movie series is why we all think that
Shazam is a movie in which heplayed a genie, and he does not
play a genie in any movie, andhe himself has posted this
picture and said, See, this iswhere it's coming from.
But we have all and it alwayswhen they come up with these
mandiles, because there wasanother one that was on TikTok,

(53:11):
and I was like, wait a minute.
Um, like they he doesn'tactually say Luke, I am your
father, and um, it's not mirrormirror on the wall, who's the
fairest of them all, it's magicmirror on the wall, and like
there's a whole bunch of themthat we just collectively, but
some of those it's it flowsbetter as mirror mirror, so we

(53:34):
probably just decided thatthat's right.
Um and the Bernstein, Bernstein,whatever, but but man, it's just
crazy to me that withoutinternet we all remember a movie
that did not exist, and we'reall like, yes, it did.

SPEAKER_02 (53:52):
Well, unless I'm way highly delusional, Transylvania
6500 does exist because I watchit probably every I've heard of
it also, but I could be livingin your delusion.
Maybe probably every like threeto five years.
I have to watch it because Ilove it so much.
Um yeah, but Carol Kane's inthat, and then she was also in
the movie Scrooged.

(54:12):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (54:13):
That might be a Christmas movie you would enjoy.
I do like that.
That's is that the one with uhBill Murray?
Bill Murray, yeah.
Yeah, I have seen that one.

SPEAKER_02 (54:20):
That's a good one, and it's got um Del Toro in it.
But CO del Toro.
He's the taxi cab driver, Ithink.
Yes, he is.
Yeah, that's a good one.
All right, um, Peter Falk uh wasthe grandfather, and he was the
OG Columbo.
Yep.
And then Fred Savage was thegrandson, obviously from the

(54:41):
Wonder Years.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (54:43):
His brother, equally as good in Boy Meets World.

SPEAKER_02 (54:47):
Okay.
I didn't watch either of thoseshows.

SPEAKER_03 (54:49):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 (54:50):
Well, see, we weren't allowed to watch TV
shows that my mom didn't like.
Right.
So I missed out on a lot of GenX shows.

SPEAKER_03 (54:56):
Well, Boy Meets World was on Disney, so we
didn't have cable.
Oh no, it was A well, ABC, so Idon't think they owned anyway.
Boy Meets World was a good show.
You should go back and watch it.

SPEAKER_02 (55:07):
You think I would enjoy it now?

SPEAKER_03 (55:08):
Yes.
I enjoy it now.

SPEAKER_02 (55:11):
What was the show we watched in college that we loved
so much?
The high school one.

SPEAKER_03 (55:15):
I know 2-0.
No, I never really got it.
Saved by the bell.
Yes.
There's a whole thing about howZach Morris is a horrible human
being, and people just put clipsof him from that show and how
horrible.
And if you go back and watch itnow, you're like, oh my god.
Zach is a horrible human being.

(55:40):
Huh.
Yeah.
Like terrible.
We were loyal to that showthough.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (55:46):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (55:47):
And 902 and O.

SPEAKER_02 (55:49):
Yeah, and the sketch show in Living Color.
We used to watch that.
And Martin.

SPEAKER_03 (55:54):
Martin.

SPEAKER_02 (55:55):
Yep, we get together.

SPEAKER_03 (55:56):
And and and you remember the show The State from
MTV?
Um Doug.
And you're dad.
I'm out of here.
We watch The State every now andthen.

SPEAKER_02 (56:08):
Did you hear they canceled uh Ridiculousness wine?
Yes.
After 46 seasons, 21 years.
Wow.
I saw me the other day that waslike, damn, 46 seasons?
I thought they just played thesame 7-1 over and over again.

SPEAKER_03 (56:23):
Now he's gonna have to go back to skating.

SPEAKER_02 (56:24):
But I've been watching it for years, and no,
he's not.
Have you seen the house he'sbuilding?
No.
Oh my god.
Jesus Christ.
Um yeah, he's a very businesssavvy guy.
But um yeah, I've been watchingRidiculousness for probably 10
years, and I still frequentlysee ones I've never seen before.
Like there are so many, but eventhe ones I've already seen.

(56:45):
I just love I love Chanel WestCoast, and I'm not surprised
that the show went off the airafter she left because she was
awesome.
All right, back to the PrincessBride subject.
We have been all over the placethis episode.

SPEAKER_03 (57:01):
Tangent after tangent.

SPEAKER_02 (57:03):
It's because there's a lot of Gen X memories in Rob
Reiner.
I told you, I told you.
All right.
Um so the Princess Bride.
The movie opens with a framingdevice.
A grandfather reads a story tohis sick grandson.
This story becomes the fairytale we watch unfold.
Buttercup lives on a farm andconstantly teases the farm boy
Wesley, uh, who only everreplies with as you wish.

(57:30):
The perfect man.
Um eventually she realizes thisis his way of saying, I love
you, and the two fall deeply inlove.
Wesley leaves to seek hisfortune, but is reportedly
killed by the dread pirateRoberts.
Buttercup is heartbroken.
Years later, Buttercup is chosento marry Prince Humperdink, a

(57:51):
smarky, a smarmy, andmanipulative ruler.
But before the wedding, she iskidnapped by three outlaws,
Vizini, Vezik, the gentle giant,and Inigo Montoya, who seeks
revenge on the six-fingered manwho killed his father.

SPEAKER_03 (58:08):
Prepare to die.

SPEAKER_02 (58:10):
The trio is pursued by a masked man in black who
defeats them one by one.
He bests Inego Inego in swordcombat, a duel full of honor and
respect, wrestles Fezzick intounconsciousness without killing
him, and outsmarts Vinz Viziniin a battle of wits involving

(58:32):
poisoned wine.
He then escapes with Buttercup.
Buttercup discovers that the manin black is actually Wesley,
alive and well.
He explains that he took up themantle of the dread pirate
Roberts.
Their reunion is cut short whenHumperdink and his sadistic
henchman, Count Rugen, capturethem.

(58:54):
Wesley is tortured in the pit ofdespair.
I don't know, that part makes melaugh.
Um meanwhile, Inago's team uhteams up with Fezzick again.
Uh both characters reveal moredepth in Enago's lifetime quest
to avenge his father andFezick's loyalty and kindness.

(59:14):
Together they plan to rescueWesley so he can stop
Humperdink's wedding.
With help from Miracle Max andhis wife Valerie, Wesley is
revived, albeit only mostlydead.
Inigo storms the castle,confronting Rugen in one of
Cinema's most iconic duels.
Despite being gravely wounded,Inego keeps repeating his

(59:36):
mantra.
Hello, my name is Enego Bantuya.
You killed my father.
Prepare to die.
He finally gets his revenge.
Inigo's revenge is Inigotriumphs over Count Rugen,
avenging his father after alifetime of training.
His arc closes with fulfillmentbut also uncertainty about

(59:58):
what's next for him.
The weakened from torture,Wesley bluffs his way through a
confrontation with Humperdink,threatening a gruesome fight he
cannot actually deliver.
Humperdink surrenders withoutbattle.
Buttercup, Enigo, and Fezickescape together.
Buttercup and Wesley finallyshare their long-delayed kiss,

(01:00:22):
described in the narratnarration as the most passionate
kiss in the history of theworld.
Back in the real world, the boyasks his grandfather to come
back to to come back the nextday and read the story again.
A touching closure that showshow the tale has bonded them.
It's a perfect fairy taleending.

(01:00:43):
The villains defeated, thelovers united, and the hero's
journey fulfilled.
It is a great movie.
Yeah, it really, really is.
That's another one I need towatch again.
Some of these you've seen somany times.
You're like, eh, but thenre-watching it.
And there are parts you forgot,or maybe parts you didn't get

(01:01:04):
the last time you saw it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:06):
We watched the never-ending story, and I had to
go past the horse.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:10):
God, that movie's so good.
I think I started that movie onenight a while ago, but then I
realized I was really tired.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:21):
No, it's just not the appropriate time.
That movie is too much.
Brutal.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:27):
Say my name! Oh, and when the rock man I love it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:35):
I love every part of it except for one.
Yeah.
And when the the the turtlesneezes.
Anyway.
Rob Reiner.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Back to Rob Reiner.
Um, all right.
So my final favorite Rob Reinermovie that I want to talk about,
although I could probably sithere all night and talk about
his movies.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:57):
Yes, we just took a break so that we could pare
down.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:03):
I knew that this script was going to bring up a
lot of conversation because,like I said, he is he is so much
of Gen X.
Um so anyway, misery.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:15):
Um I remember I did not realize this was one of his
movies.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:18):
Yeah.
Um, I remember seeing this movieat a very young age and being
very traumatized.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:24):
It's a great movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:25):
Probably not something I should have seen.
Another one that I haven't seenin a really long time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:29):
This one goes into the whole list, also.
Um right around Monster Truck.
Right around the same time thatyou watch Oh, the Shinnin.
Oh.
Yeah.
Because of the author thing.
Uh-huh.

(01:02:49):
Mm-hmm.
I really have to look at that.
Anyway, go ahead.
I love Misery.
It's a great movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Alright, so um, Paul Sheldon,who is played by James Kahn, for
you younger listeners that mightbe out there, he is the
businessman dad, an elf that hasno time for his kids until the
end.
Um, so anyway, he plays asuccessful novelist, famous for
his romantic series featuring aheroine named Misery Chastine.

(01:03:18):
Wanting to move on from thisfranchise, he finishes a new
manuscript in his secludedColorado lodge.
After typing the inn, Paulcelebrates with Champagne.
But while driving away during asnowstorm, he crashes his car.
Paul is rescued by Annie Wilkes,who is played by Kathy Bates.
Great character.
Yeah.

(01:03:39):
And if you don't know her, lookher up.
I'm not gonna give you anyinformation.
She's apparently the newColumbo, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:45):
She is.
Or Matlock.
Oh, wait.
I think it's Matlock.
Yeah, I think you're right.
Never mind.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:54):
Yeah, but she's been in way, way better things.
She's an amazing actress.
Um, she's a seemingly kind womanwho claims to be his number one
fan.
Uh, she takes him to her remotehome to recover from his severe
injuries, including broken legs.
At first, Annie appearsnurturing and devoted.

(01:04:16):
And right there, like,obviously, when I watched this
when I was younger, I didn'tthink of that, but why would you
just let somebody take you totheir house and then nurse you
back to health?
Why wouldn't you go to thehospital?
I'm sure it was explained at thenext hospital, it's probably
like five days away or somethingcrazy like that.
Uh, because they were in aremote area.
Yes.
All right, so Annie's kindnessquickly reveals darker

(01:04:37):
undertones.
When she discovers that Paul haskilled off Misery in his latest
transcript, she becomes enraged.
Annie forces Paul to burn hisnew book and demands that he
write a new novel, ResurrectingMisery.
Paul realizes he is effectivelyher prisoner.
Uh, as Paul resists, Annie'sbehavior grows more violent.

(01:04:59):
In one of the film's mostinfamous moments, this is the
one.
Annie hobbles Paul by smashinghis ankles with a sledgehammer
to ensure he cannot escape.
For those of you who haven'tseen it, he is laying in the
bed.
He cannot move, and she takes asledgehammer and bashes his
ankles in.
Yeah.
That's that's the one burned inmy brain right there.

(01:05:21):
Um this horrifying act cementsher control over him and remains
one of the most iconic scenes ina in horror thriller cinema.
It does.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:32):
Um you can't think about a horror movie without
thinking about.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:36):
Oh, it hurts my ankles just to think of it now.
I'm not even watching it.
Um, meanwhile, Sheriff Buster,who was played by Richard
Farnsworth, investigates Paul'sdisappearance.
His search leads him to Annie'shome, but when he discovers
Paul, Annie kills him with ashotgun.
Annie gets your gun.
Uh this crushing moment leavesPaul truly alone in his fight

(01:05:59):
for survival.
Using his wits, Paul playsalong, writing a new misery
novel under Annie's constantwatch.
Secretly, he stockpilespainkillers and prepares for a
desperate escape plan.
The climax unfolds when Paulcompletes the new manuscript,
Misery's Return.
Annie is ecstatic, but Paultricks her into allowing a

(01:06:20):
celebratory ritual.
He sets the manu the manuscripton fire right in front of her.
Furious, Annie attacks him andthey engage in a brutal
struggle.
The fight is violent, with Paulusing his typewriter and even a
burning manuscript as weapons.
Finally, Paul kills Annie bybashing her head with the
typewriter and ensuring shecannot rise again.

(01:06:44):
The film then cuts to monthslater, showing Paul in a New
York City restaurant.
He is still physically scarredand psychologically haunted by
his ordeal.
A waitress approaches, sayingshe's his number one fan.
Though she's harmless, Paul seesa hallucination of Annie for a
brief moment, showing that hemay never truly escape her
shadow.
This ending underlines thelong-term trauma of his

(01:07:06):
captivity and highlights King'srecurring theme: evil doesn't
just vanish, it lingers.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:12):
Indeed.
Great movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:15):
Yeah.
Man, I have so many movies Iwant to watch now.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:20):
Unfortunately.
Seems to be a Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:27):
Yeah, I've been trying to watch Christmas movies
and I don't know, I'm just notfeeling it too much.
I never feel it too much.
I watched the ones, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:35):
You did watch the nightmare before Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:37):
Yeah, of course you did.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:39):
And I sang along and spoke along.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:43):
I mean, I've watched National Lampoon's Christmas
Vacation.
Obvi.
I've watched Elf Obvi.
My newest favorite Christmasmovie is the Christmas
Chronicles.
It's on Netflix and it has KurtRussell and Goldie Hahn in it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:57):
I did watch one that I had never seen because it's a
Christmas movie.
And this one I could tolerate.
Four Christmases.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:04):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:05):
That's not a bad one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:06):
Yeah, you choked me up.
Well, anything with um what'shis face?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll pretty much watchanything with him in it.
He's he's a very beautiful man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:16):
What is his name?
Just get him confused withVincent D'Nafrio.
I don't know why.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:21):
Reese Witherspoon and now you said Vince.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:25):
Vince Vaughn.
Vaughn.
I don't know if it's becausethey're both named Vince.
I don't know what it is, but Ialways get them mixed up and I
don't know why.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:32):
Yeah.
And plus Favreau is that's oneof his movies.
Yes.
And he all his movies are justso funny.
And I love how he's in all ofhis own movies too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:42):
Yeah, it's a good movie.
I I didn't I didn't hate it.
Yeah.
I don't want to watch it again,but I didn't hate I didn't hate
my time there with it.
That's a good one.
I might be able to do that.
So new and different.
Elf made me want to hang myself,by the way.
That's crazy.
I had I just I just was like, Ican't.
That's no more.
No more.

(01:09:03):
That's a great movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:05):
I did almost really injure myself and watch planes,
trains, and automobiles theother night.
And then I was like, you knowwhat?
You haven't been feeling thebest mentally lately in that
movie?
Did you watch that at all whenyou were younger?

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:21):
Um, I've seen probably bits of it enough to
have.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:24):
I've seen it a million times.
It's one of those I can picturethe whole entire thing, but it
is just rips your heart out.
It just is so sad.
Like when you find out thatMarie is dead, oh my god.
Spoiler alert for a 50-year-oldmovie.

(01:09:45):
Maybe 40.
Um, anyway, yeah, so that'sthat.
Uh, I hope you all enjoyed thistrip down um memory lane.
Um with a lot of the movies andstuff that meant a lot to us.
I rest in peace, Rob Reiner andhis wife.
What a tragedy.
It's awful.
It's it's so sad.

(01:10:06):
It's sad, just sad in everypossible way.
Um, his son did have mentalhealth issues um and addiction
issues.
And again, if you need help,please reach out for resources.
Yes.
Um, there are people out therewho can try to help.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:25):
Especially this time of year.
If you know anybody that isstruggling, yes, this time of
the year is when uh these thingssurface.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:36):
Seasonal depression is a very real thing.
So if you're a person withmental health issues already, um
this time of year magnifies it,it does it for me.
I mean, granted, I'm goingthrough some stuff right now,
which is really affecting mymental health, but this time of
year is always, always hard forme.
Yeah, I always have a reallytough time with my depression.
And I'm not particularly adepressed person, but this time

(01:10:58):
of year is always rough on me.
So not only if you need help, ifyou know somebody that needs
help, but if you know somebody,and this is a tough one because
everybody's like, check on yourfriends, and your depressed
friends are gonna be like, No,I'm fine.
But maybe don't just ask them ifthey're okay.
Maybe, hey, you want me to bringover a pizza and watch a movie
or something like that.

(01:11:18):
Just because sometimes peoplejust need to get out of their
heads for a minute and realizeit's not well, maybe not as bad
as they think it is.
So yeah.
Um, but there are a lot ofresources out there, so please
reach out.
Um, but besides that, I hope youall enjoyed my tribute to Rob

(01:11:40):
Reiner.
Go watch the movies.
Yep.
As we said, next week is goingto be one that we recorded um a
few weeks back because Heatheris a postal worker and asking
her to add anything else to herplate the week of Christmas is
just rude.
So rude.
Already.
So we will see you all again.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:03):
Um thanks for listening.
Thanks for doing this, Nicole.
Of course.
Um also did oh, we're going toPodfest this year.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:12):
We are.
Heather won us tickets.
Yes.
And we are going, and we aresuper, super excited.
Excited.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:20):
We're gonna learn some, we're gonna learn us some
stuff.
Well, Heather's gonna learn.
What are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:24):
And I'm gonna stand there and smile and look pretty.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's what we do,right?
That's true.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:36):
Anyhow.
Anywho.
Um thank so we'll try we mightbe able to get.
I don't know what we'll do, butwe'll do it.
Um, maybe we'll do some livestreaming or something.
Yeah.
Um, so thank you for listening.
Thank you.
Happy holidays to you all sincewe technically won't be here
next week.
To those who celebrate, yes.

(01:12:58):
Uh like, share, rate, review.
That's what you can do for us.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:04):
That's what we would like for the holidays.
Yes.
Just just some five stars orsomething.
Something.
Or subscribe.
Not yeah, subscribe.
Subscribe.
Like, follow, rate, review, allthe things.
All of them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:16):
On all of the things.
Yes.
Every every one of them.
All of them.
Find us where you listen topodcasts.
All of them.
Yeah, all of them.
That's where you would go towrite rate and review.
Yes.
Especially on Apple.
Um Yeah.
And subscribe on YouTube.
Please follow us on all thesocials at like whatever pod.

(01:13:39):
Join us on all of those.
Um, you can check out the blogand the website.
Uh W W W likewhap.com.
Um, or you can send us an emailabout oh hold on, I got did I

(01:14:00):
put the pressure?
Okay, you can send us an emailabout what you sound like when
you have an orgasm to likewhatever pod at gmail.com or
don't like whatever.
Prepare to die.
Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know
Dateline NBC

Dateline NBC

Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com

The Burden

The Burden

The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2026 iHeartMedia, Inc.