Girls Just Want To Be In The Hall

The wind is howling, the coffee’s hot, and we’re already arguing about why a low‑scoring NFL slugfest is the most beautiful kind of football. Defense and field position feel like chess to us, not a lull—so we dig into the joy of a stress‑free Sunday when your team isn’t playing, the magic of watching RedZone without stakes, and the weird way a city’s first championship changes your heart forever. Couch vs. stadium? We weigh the Rocky‑anthem goosebumps against frozen toes, 1 a.m. traffic, and the undeniable pull of a warm blanket.

Then we turn hard into complexity: Aileen Wuornos and the tangle of trauma, survival, and escalation. We explore nature vs. nurture without a textbook, using real family dynamics to show how time and circumstance can tilt two lives raised by the same parents. Curiosity leads, not certainty. It’s messy, human, and more honest than the headlines.

Our core beat lands in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame—Cleveland’s glass pyramid of culture wars and goosebumps. We unpack what the Hall honors, why its voting feels opaque, and how its name “rock and roll” both limits and liberates. The highlight reel is full of women who refused the background: Aretha cracks the door, Stevie enters twice, Tina rises, Carol writes the decades, Joan Jett turns grit into gospel, Madonna paints with controversy, and Cindy Lauper stands beneath a rainbow singing True Colors like a mission statement. We trade who‑inducted‑whom stories—Angela Bassett for Tina, Alicia Keys for Whitney, Big Boi for Kate Bush—because lineage matters and influence is a web, not a straight line.

Nostalgia sweetens the edges: Back to the Future on the couch, an A‑Team snack, and a 1984 diary entry with recess, band, and a carefully guarded shoebox. Real life pops in too—YMCA pre‑diabetes programs, holiday parcel madness at the post office, auroras you only catch on camera, and a fox scream that sounds like an alien alarm. It’s a full Gen X mixtape: weather, football, true crime nuance, and the Rock Hall’s overdue flowers for women who changed music.

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SPEAKER_01 (00:04):
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(00:25):
back like whatever Welcome toLike Whatever a podcast for by
and about Gen X I'm Nicole andthis might be FFF Heather Hello
It's cold here today It isfreaking freezing here Yes oh

(00:45):
firstly happy Veterans Day Yesthank you to everyone who fights
to um give us what we have uh Iappreciate I could never do it
no and I appreciate all of youseriously yeah um but thank you
for your service Yes thank youso much um but yeah it's fucking
cold here today it really is andI volunteered to work today

(01:07):
because you know as a governmentworker we had off today but I
was like no I need money so Iwill work and I deeply regretted
that a because the Eagles gamewent so late last night and B
because it's 12 degrees outsideand windy like 80 mile an hour
winds the wizard of Oz windyoutside welcome to winter

(01:30):
although I heard tomorrow issupposed to be like 50 degrees
so who knows what's gonna happenyeah but I hate wind the wind is
terrible like I'm I'm summer allthe way like summer is my jam I
prefer fall yeah everybody lovesfall and I hate fall because I
love to garden and fall meanssummer and gardening are ending

(01:51):
but the other day it was superwindy and my friend was saying
something about being windy Iwas like just another reason why
I hate fall and winter aroundhere because windy seasons windy
all the time we call this coldwindy season and the best part
is is she now has to come downhere yeah and it's like three
times windier down here all thetime.

SPEAKER_03 (02:10):
Yes because it's coming off the ocean off the
ocean so it's way windy todaybut it is very windy today yeah
and cold yeah but I didn't haveto work today so I hated myself
so I'm okay and I'm workingtomorrow is my day off and I'm
working and I hate myselfalready for tomorrow already
hating myself yes at that Eaglesgame last night huh crazy shoot

(02:35):
I was like they I felt like theystayed between the 30 yard lines
I I know the whole first half ofthe game like it was crazy it
was definitely it's my favoritekind of game which is a defense
all defense all the time I hatea big offensive I hate a high
scoring game I hate all that andI uh I love a low scoring back
and forth knock down drag out Ilove it and it I got it I mean

(02:59):
you're gonna see them both inthe playoffs too they're gonna
maybe play each other again soit's a good game yeah you know
we beat them three times theytried but they just can't do it
I don't like a high score Idon't everybody else likes the
you know the shootouts orwhatever I did it's I mean it's
fine but it it's exciting it'sdifferent yeah I just I love my

(03:24):
favorite part of football isn'tthe I mean I guess it is it's
the the chess of it all yeahit's the it's the intellectual
side of football I know you'reall being like you're nuts but
no I'm not it's it's a greatintellectual game it really is

(03:44):
and I didn't dislike lastnight's game I mean I I was just
like wow like I can't believehow much of this is going back
and forth like nobody's gettinganything so I said after the
game I was like man that was areal barn burner and you know he
looked at me and he was like Ihave never heard that phrase so

(04:05):
is that just like a footballphrase because he doesn't watch
football is that like a footballphrase or is it like a Delaware
thing?
But then I googled it and it waslike there and it was in the
dictionary so maybe it's justhe's an idiot.

SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
Maybe it happens yeah it was a really good
weekend of football anyway Ithought there were some blowouts
um but there were some reallyreally good games I like it when
the Eagles don't play on aSunday because then you can just
enjoy the day me too you don'thave to stress out about
anything you don't have to likeworry about the four o'clock

(04:40):
game or the eight o'clock gameor miss all the one o'clock
games because you're onlywatching the Eagles game like I
like to watch the red zonechannel.

SPEAKER_03 (04:47):
Yeah I don't get that yeah but I just feel like
you can enjoy the day you're notyou know you can take a little
snappy nap and like you don't doa little clean in or something
not really pay attention.
Yeah you're just in and out andthe game's on and and then you
know sometimes you get a reallygood game and you got no skin in
it so you're like well this is agame.

(05:09):
Yeah like um was it Houston thatgame was really good yeah I
didn't want I didn't I forgetwhat game we had on probably
Wash well Washington was at fourI don't remember what the first
it was the Minnesota game wasfirst or was that the second was

(05:29):
it Minnesota and Washington noit was in Minnesota so it was
the Minnesota game was firstokay because I remember who they
actively saying that's where wewon our first Super Bowl yeah
football.

SPEAKER_02 (05:45):
Yeah the Bills got whooped by Miami.
Miami is such a weird team theyalways are they're just so
random yeah like maybe we'll winmaybe we'll just totally suck
maybe we'll just tank the entireseason it's hard to say or not
yeah whatever whatever'shappening today is yeah I like
the Bills but I feel likethey're starting to yeah they're

(06:06):
on the downside they missedtheir chance yeah I that that
Bill's I feel bad if you'reBill's mafia I feel bad for you
I really do I understand whatit's like to want that so bad
and get so close.
But let me tell you Bill's mafiahold on to it because after you
get your first one thepressure's off yeah it's a

(06:31):
little less exciting the secondtime around it is it is like
there would have been nothing tokeep me from that parade that
first time.
Right?
The second one I was like I'mgood.
Yeah been there done that I meanmaybe because it was a blowout
that's why and maybe because itwas only a few years later yeah
but I'm telling you that firstone I was down on my knees
crying at the end of it.

SPEAKER_03 (06:52):
Yes the second one I was like yes go ahead and go to
bed.

SPEAKER_02 (06:56):
Yeah we ran around our neighborhood my neighbor
stripped down naked and ranaround that first one we ran
along with him yeah it was itwas amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (07:04):
I just feel like you never get that feeling back
again.
So Bill's mafia if you do get ityeah savor that because you'll
never get that again.

SPEAKER_02 (07:11):
Yeah you'll never I I don't understand Patriots fans
like they just win all the timelike do they how is that even
fun yeah how is it even fun yeahI would imagine it you're I I
wonder because you know inPhiladelphia any of the Philly
sports if we're playing well weare selling out stadiums like
every single week no matter whatum and that's across the board

(07:32):
with any of the sports inPhilly.
Yeah I wonder if um New Englandsaw a drop in attendance once it
just was like uh yeah I don'tknow it's I don't know I just
don't know how you can I don'tknow plus the older I get the
the more appealing sitting on mynice couch.

SPEAKER_03 (07:52):
No I'm kidding in my bathroom and my family not
spending a fortune not drivingthree hours now at one o'clock
in the morning so much I didthat I do not want to do it
again.
Mm-hmm every time my mom bugs meshe's like we should go to a
game and I'm like so far.

SPEAKER_02 (08:12):
Yeah I've been to a handful of games in the past
maybe I'd say 10 years.
Yeah and it's always becausesomebody had a free ticket or
something like I certainly havenot paid ticket prices for not
feeling ridiculous.
Yeah but somebody who has seasontickets had an extra one
somebody couldn't go somethinglike that.

SPEAKER_03 (08:31):
But yeah I just I don't I don't it's too cold.

SPEAKER_02 (08:35):
It is and I've it I love the feel and the excitement
of being there.

SPEAKER_03 (08:40):
Yeah but I have felt it like enough like not that I
wouldn't feel it again if I wentbut yeah I mean there is
definitely I mean it's amazingwhen they play the Rocky anthem
and I and we've been we were atin the vet we've seen games in
the in the vet and that is anexperience.

SPEAKER_02 (08:56):
Behind the goalposts that was like really good seats
yeah yeah it kind of sucked whenit was at the other end but you
had a tape 'em there yeah butwhen the action was right in
front of you there was nothinglike that it was exciting it was
a special kind of excitementeverybody wants the 50 yard line
but what's happening on the 50yard line I know you still can't
see you can't see either wayyeah it doesn't make any sense

(09:18):
whatever I don't know sofootball yeah yeah that um and I
was gonna text you this but thenI was gonna I decided to save it
for this but did you know Ithink it's is it Netflix or is
it Peacock but there's a newdocumentary on Aileen did you

(09:40):
that made me sad I come and gowith her it's tough to tell
what's real and what's fantasywith her and and legitimately
like she's not faking anything Ijust don't she knows what's real
and what's not yeah but she diddefinitely she was a um well she

(10:03):
was a woman killing men so theywere quick to be like put that
bitch in jail like no chance foryou.
Yeah but I think I do legitthink she was being raped a lot
and she finally got sick ofbeing raped and just started
killing like I said before thatfirst one's a mistake and then
once you get it done once thatfirst one happens and you're a
psychopath or whatever then it'sjust it's like oh especially she

(10:26):
said she had been raped like 30times in high school or some
crap she was getting raped andeverything so having to just go
through that and feel so umhelpless and then actually
having the power after youkilled that first one.
Yeah because it sounded like thefirst one was legit like she
really was fighting for her lifeat that point.

(10:48):
She was and then and then itjust became fun.

SPEAKER_03 (10:51):
That's what happens right the first and when you're
a psychopath like normal peopleif I were to kill somebody I
shouldn't say I because I don'tknow how I could go.
That's me.
Right.
So if you were to kill somebodyafter you did it you would feel
bad you would feel guilt nomatter what the circumstances
was because you took the life ofa human being yes so that's what

(11:13):
normal people feel like like youhad to do it to save your own
self and that's completelyacceptable.

SPEAKER_02 (11:19):
But people probably like me because I'm gonna assume
I'm a psychopath it's a fairassumption it would cause like a
change like I did it once andthen I'd be like I'm I can lay
my head down on a pillow anytimeand just yeah so yeah just try
not to kill anybody the firsttime and I think psychopaths
have a lot of trouble feelingthings because they don't feel

(11:41):
normal things so you need thatescalation of yeah something
really big to happen.
The thrill yeah yeah so yeah Ithink a lot plays into it but I
do think I don't I don't I justdon't think it's necessarily her
fault so much.

SPEAKER_03 (11:59):
Well and that's the thing of it too like when you
break down on these serialkillers I mean they've all had
horrible horrible horribleexistences.

SPEAKER_02 (12:08):
But a lot of people have had horrible existences and
they don't kill people.

SPEAKER_03 (12:12):
And that's where that is why they need to be
studied further.

SPEAKER_02 (12:15):
Yes and why you know the behavioral science became a
thing because you need to beable to find out well what
happened to them to make them gooff on a crazy well it's
definitely a perfect combinationI think of nature versus nurture
which was always a conundrum forme in college because I took a

(12:37):
lot of psychology classesbecause that's what my degree's
in um so of course it comes upin every single class.
Right and my argument alwaysfell more on the side of nature
no nurture um I think that theway you're brought up can has a
much bigger effect on you thanwhat you're born with.

SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
Right.
And I think the problem withthat is because you can't ever
have a control in that situationbecause like even if you have a
sim a sibling even if it's atwin the very different things
can happen all at one time.
So my sister and I were raisedby the exact same two people but
she came five years later so shedidn't live in a van.

(13:20):
Right.
You know she lived in a househer whole life we we moved like
twice after she was born.

SPEAKER_02 (13:25):
Right and right after my mom right after my
sister was born my parents gotdivorced so that was just
different right there and thenthere were just circumstances
differences in how we wereraised because I was the oldest
she was the youngest um and Itook that burden of the eldest
daughter as Taylor Swift wouldsay I knew we were gonna throw

(13:49):
you know I have to um but yeahit really I mean no matter what
the case I I was just so sad forher.
Yeah it is sad.
Yeah it is sad.
It was just a shit shit life.
Yeah so um yeah a bunch ofthings had birthdays this week

(14:09):
or anniversaries um let's seehere we got 56 years ago this
week Sesame Street premiered ohyeah November 10th yesterday uh
1969 um Transylvania 65000 whichis one of my all-time favorite

(14:29):
movies turned 40 this week rightMonopoly turned 90 this week
yeah there was another one too Idon't have it written down but
anyway I you know what I wantthe other night I was I knew I
was gonna fall asleep on thecouch so I didn't want to get
into anything so I put on backto the future which I have not

(14:50):
seen in a super long time.
Right um I only got abouthalfway through it before I was
falling asleep and went to bedbut something that was funny
that reminded me two things very80s in that movie um they had
cow can dog food remember cowcan dog food to that one was a
big deal and then um every phonenumber back then started with

(15:11):
five five five they don't dothat anymore um they do on
TikTok do they usually it's fivefive five five five five five
they'll do the all the fivesmust be a Gen X person maybe
TikToks I actually never reallypaid attention but yeah yeah um

(15:33):
let's see other than that I havenothing I get up I go to work I
come home I play with my birdpretty much the extent of my of
my day what did I do thisweekend went to a community fair
oh it was pretty cool though Iwent to the YMCA table and I was

(15:56):
talking to this very nicegentleman and he um was talking
about this pre-diabetes programthey have and I'm just like all
right like I always let them dotheir spiel but um I told him I
had never been diagnosed withany like he's like do you know
what your numbers are and I saidno but I get my blood work done

(16:16):
every year and there's neverever any talk of that so I know
it's good.
So he was like oh that's perfectwe have this new program but if
you do this program of coursethey're trying to teach you how
to avoid getting diabetes butyou get a four month membership
to the wife.
Oh wow yeah that's a good deal Iwas like maybe that'll
especially even if I only usethe four months right now in the

(16:38):
winter because I'm very activewhen it's warm outside because
I'm out in the yard and doingstuff.
So even if I just use my fouryear free or four month free
membership.

SPEAKER_03 (16:47):
Yeah they called me yesterday I didn't call them
back yet so we'll see how farthat goes but leave me alone why
yeah I think that was probablymy uh my excitement for the
weekend I had no excitement atall yeah it's all good I was
pretty lazy besides that a lotof sitting this weekend yeah but

(17:07):
it's that time of year like it'sthe time I'm I think we talked
about this last week but it'sthe time of year that Christmas
stuff is rolling in for the postoffice so every day is a
struggle.
So I already hate tomorrowbecause oddly enough weirdly
enough strangely enough the dayafter Veterans Day busiest day
of the year in the post office.

(17:28):
I have no idea why it's alwaysawful and when I left yesterday
it was already like a shit showhorror show for tomorrow and
then today when I was there Ilooked and it has gotten even
worse so tomorrow is gonna justbe yeah I might have to like
bring my headlamp out tomorrowmight be an after dark
situation.

(17:48):
Yeah it already sucks so yeah Idon't know why but whatever okay
so all right let's get to thelet's do it let's do it let's
you can do it let's fuck aroundand find out about uh the rock
and roll hall of aim oh becausethey had the induction ceremony

(18:11):
this week I did a lot of a lotof my faves yeah Cindy Lopper
outcast outcast saw and papagood stuff so um so really what
I'm I what I really concentratedon here and I put I did put kind
of fun facts in at the end butI'm gonna give you like a brief

(18:33):
I don't know how brief but umI'm gonna give you a little what
it what on uh the Hall of Fameand then mostly I'm just gonna
concentrate on the ladiesbecause we're my ladies at
that's what we're here for.

SPEAKER_02 (18:45):
That's right.

SPEAKER_03 (18:46):
We don't got no men's rule girl's true rule boys
true.
So the rock and roll hall offame is more than a museum.
It's a battleground memory ashrine to rebellion and a mirror
reflecting the messy gloriousevolution of popular music
founded in 1983 and physicallyestablished in Cleveland Ohio in
1995 the hall was conceived as away to honor the artists

(19:07):
producers and cultural figureswho shaped rock and roll it was
only just founded in 1983 I knowI thought the scene that's crazy
I know although I guess rock androll never came around to like
the 50s yeah but still like 83it took you that long to get a
rock and roll hall of fame.
Yeah that's crazy yeah um fromthe beginning it's been a site

(19:30):
of tension between genre andinfluence between gatekeepers
and fans and between legacy andexclusion the whole founding was
spearheaded by Ahmed Erdogansure co-founder of Atlantic
Records alongside a committee ofin industry insiders Cleveland
won the bid to host the museumby invoking its deep ties to

(19:51):
rock history DJ Alan Freedcoined the term rock and roll
and the city hosted the firstmajor rock concert the Moondog
Coronation Ball architect I amPie designed the building which
now stands as a glass pyramid onthe shore of Lake Erie.
And can I just say for a secondthat I am Pie apparently likes a
glass pyramid because hedesigned part of the Louvre I

(20:15):
was gonna say the Louvre that iswhat he did in the Louvre so he
wanted people to know that wasthat building I do glass
pyramids bitches inductionsbegan in 1986 with inaugural
honorees like Chuck Berry, ElvisPresley and Little Richard.
Makes sense um influenceinnovation and longevity is the

(20:39):
criteria but as the decadesrolled on the metrics became
increasingly subjective andincreasingly controversial.
Artists become eligible 25 yearsafter their first commercial
release a nominating committeeselects candidates and ballots
go out to historians critics andmusicians but the process is

(21:00):
opaque and the reason theresults often spark outrage why
did it take so long for PatBenatar, Cindy Lopper or Warren
Zeevan to get in and why areIron Maiden and the Smiths still
waiting You see he canceled allhis shows oh he doesn't feel
good I hate him I know you I'mthe worst goff on the whole on

(21:23):
earth because I can't I like theSmiths.

SPEAKER_02 (21:25):
Uh-huh I don't I don't hate his voice I just hate
him as a human being yeah I getit um what was I gonna say oh
yeah it's it's and it makessense that it would be
controversial because let'sadmit it musicians are snobs and
they think their music's thebest yeah and you got the people

(21:46):
who know all the popular musicand then you got the ones who
wouldn't listen to a popularsong if they had to and they
know all the indie stuff or theylove their genre the most so it
does make sense that it it wouldbe hard and I and I get that
like I would definitely have myfavorites but yeah I think it
works the same way in like thefootball hall of fame like as

(22:09):
far as who picks because I knowthe guy that does Dan Patrick
the Dan Patrick show I think hehas a vote.

SPEAKER_03 (22:15):
I think a lot of the like commentators have right
votes so but anyway wait I justmissed what happened okay so the
2025 class included Outcast,Soundgarden, the White Stripes,
Salt and Peppa, and Cindy LauperIt was a diverse emotionally
charged ceremony with DonaldGlover inducting Outcast and
Janelle Monet performing HeyYeah.

(22:38):
Uh Lauper's tribute highlightedher LGBTQ plus advocacy and
enduring influence and did yousee her?
I watched it we watched it I I Isaw clips of it I for some
reason I never know these thingsare coming up and then I see it
on social media after the factand I'm like what the hell she
stood in front of the rainbow uhtrue colors she sang true colors

(23:01):
yes and she stood in front ofthe rainbow flag for a good
probably 30 seconds with her armup it was powerful yes is she
LGBTQ I don't know that she is Idon't know no and not that it
matters but I don't know I wellI love because I'm I I'm not at
all but I'm very supportiveright and I think that's I mean

(23:23):
I don't know I don't knowanything about her really so
yeah I don't either come tothink of it does anybody like is
she she just like living outhere living whatever I don't
know much about Cindy.
No I love her hair always lovedher hair yes yes I have Cindy
lobber hair I've always lovedher makeup so I don't yeah and
and she wore a makeup fan so I'ma huge fan of the fingerless

(23:46):
gloves.

SPEAKER_02 (23:47):
Me too that's so funny just on the way down today
because it's so cold outside Iwas like I got maybe some
fingerless gloves.
Yeah there's no point wearinggloves with fingers on them
because you gotta take them offevery time you need your hand
crazy well and I have at work Ihave to use my fingers all the
time.

SPEAKER_03 (24:00):
Right.
So fingerless gloves make a lotof sense except fingertips get
cold but yeah I've just alwaysloved a fingerless gloves.
Me too I love them.
The lace ones that her andMadonna used to wear yeah that
too shut your mouth okay umevery year the snubless grows
fan ray fans rage artistsprotest and the hall's

(24:20):
credibility is questioned thehall's name rock and roll is
both its brand and its burdenwhat counts as rock is it a
sound a spirit or culturalmovement the hall has inducted
rappers, pop stars countrylegends and disco icons uh Tupac
Madonna Dolly and Jay-Z are allin so are Metallica ABBA and

(24:43):
Runde MC I've never thoughtabout it being called the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame versus thegenres yeah that get in yeah it
probably should have been justlike the music hall of fame yeah
but I guess the rock and rollhall of fame sounds better I
don't know yeah yeah there's alot of little sticking points

(25:04):
there for people to argue aboutyeah just like no just why are
you worrying just shut up juststop they earned it yeah some
purists cry foul others arguethat rock was always a hybrid
born of blues gospel country andrebellion true not true true not
wrong there the hall's expansionreflects music's evolution but
also exposes its bias womenblack artists and genre defying

(25:28):
acts have historically beenunderrepresented um
underrepresented uh for us thehall is personal we grew up on
mixtapes MTV and artists whodidn't fit the mold watching our
heroes get inducted sometimesposthumously is bittersweet um
when outcast took the stageandre 3000 wept great things

(25:49):
start in little rooms he saidthat line echoed through the
ceremony a tribute to the DIYspirit of rock and the emotional
power of recognition I did seethat Andre 3000 is one of my
favorites fault yeah the Hall ofFame is a living archive a
cultural conversation a placewhere music history is debated
and celebrated it's not perfectbut it's a mirror and sometimes

(26:11):
it reflects who we were who weare and who we're still fighting
to be as long as music moves usthe hall will remain relevant.

SPEAKER_02 (26:20):
All right before I forget this while we're talking
about rock and roll yeah didn'tyou see this week it came out
that um uh Paul Stanley and GeneSimmons's sons I did see that
have created a band.
I did see that it's funnybecause I looked at the picture
I was like hmm I wonder whichone is Gene Simmons on it only
looks exactly like him.

(26:40):
Yeah same hair doing everything.

SPEAKER_03 (26:42):
Oh no anyway when the hall inducted its first
class in 1986 it was a boys clubChuck Berry Elvis Presley James
Brown Ray Charles um but not asingle woman not Sister Rosetta
Tharp who taught Little Richardhow to wail not Wanda Jackson
who shredded her way throughrockabilly before most men dared

(27:03):
not even Janice Joplin who hadalready become a myth I mean in
all fairness those five weremade to be the first ones
inducted not male or female hasanything although Janice Joplin
I would argue maybe she wouldhave deserved to be one of those
but yeah yeah yeah well in thisone it wasn't until 1987 that

(27:28):
Aretha Franklin broke thebarrier.

SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
The Queen of Soul became the first woman inducted
and she did it with a voice thatcould part oceans but it would
take years decades for the hallto even begin to catch up yeah
she her voice like God's sakesin such an unsuspecting like if
you just met her on the streetyou'd never think that she could

(27:52):
belt it out like that.
Speaking of which while I'mthinking of this too I knew that
I had a lot of things I saw thisweek.
Did you see that Miss I thinkMiss World in Chili no that one
she's a stunningly beautifulbeauty queen looking lady do you
know what her talent was she cansing death metal oh and she

(28:17):
stood up there and sang likeroaring the shit out of her
mouth you have got to look it upsometime it's because it it's
amazing and she won.
It was I mean seeing that voicecome out of her and she looked
mean and mad I was like danggirl get it helped you discover
you have that talent like wereyou just like screaming one day
and you're like huh that soundedlike death metal start a band um

(28:43):
so let's talk about the womenwho made it in and why their
presence matters Tina Turnerinducted solo in 2021 was more
than a survivor she was aphoenix her voice her legs her
fire she redefined what it meantto come back stronger.

SPEAKER_03 (29:01):
And I think it's very unfortunate that it took
that long I mean she was withinin with Ike and Ike but I mean
didn't she do way more on herown than she ever did with him?

SPEAKER_02 (29:12):
Way way more and he doesn't deserve any credit
anywhere because she's just beenlike the side credit leader so
screw him.

SPEAKER_03 (29:20):
Yeah that do you know um I heard this whether
it's true or not but I like tomake up shit yeah sure you can
Google it if you want to findout if it's real or if it's real
or not.
But um the rumor on the streetis is that Tina has still well I
don't know if it's still becausethe guy might be dead but the
guy that gave her that hotelroom that night that Ike beat

(29:43):
the shit out of her and she leftshe still has uh contact with
and still either spendsChristmas with him or gives him
Christmas gifts or whatever.
But she still I don't know shestill does because well she
doesn't because she's dead rightis she?

SPEAKER_02 (30:00):
I believe that I can I you know what it we're at an
age where I can't keep track.
Yeah we should probably checkthat.
Sometimes I do hear thatsomeone's passed and I'm like,
they were still alive.

SPEAKER_03 (30:10):
I know it feels awful.
People can do that all the time.
I'm like, wait, didn't they diealready?
Oh, they're still alive.
Man, I'm gonna feel like she'sdead.
I was right.
2023, she died.
So just two years ago.
Yeah.
I don't know.
You know what?
We're in some kind of weirdtime.
We really are.

SPEAKER_02 (30:31):
Ever since COVID, really.

SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
That's been a it's a it's a we all I think we all
died in COVID and we're in somekind of weird timeline.
I shift.

SPEAKER_02 (30:42):
I really wonder what like the the plagues were like
back in the day when you didn'teven know it was happening to
other people.
As far as you knew, justeverybody was dead except for
like five of you.

SPEAKER_03 (30:52):
I know.
Imagine like the plague.
Crazy.
Yeah.
Stevie Nicks became the firstwoman inducted twice, once with
Fleetwood Mac, and again as asolo artist.
Um her witchy mystique andpoetic grit made her a Gen X
icon.
Love some Stevie Nicks.

SPEAKER_02 (31:10):
I am going to pull a heather here and let y'all know
I do not like Stevie Nicks.
I just don't like her voice.
You don't have to like her.
Yeah.
I it just it's not she is stillalive though.
I I do know that.
And uh yeah, Fleetwood Mac neverappealed to maybe my parents
never well, your parentsdefinitely would have listened
to that, and my parents did not.

(31:32):
My dad was rock and roll, my momis pretty much like CCR, a lot
of rock and roll there too.

SPEAKER_03 (31:38):
The one song that just is like is my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 (31:44):
I will say they probably have a song or two that
want to hear it.
I'm like, oh yeah, I do likethis song.

SPEAKER_03 (31:49):
I'm trying to find the one.

SPEAKER_02 (31:51):
But like Landslide, shoot me now.
Like, I'm so but that's fault.

SPEAKER_03 (32:01):
Yeah, the lyrics to um you'll never escape the voice
of the woman that sounds thesound of the voice of the woman
who loved you.

SPEAKER_02 (32:08):
I don't know, she just I yeah, that was that was
savage.
Um a lot of like relationshipsand breakups and stuff going on
within that group, I feel like.
Yeah.
And um it it was pretty savageher making Lindsay Buckingham

(32:28):
sing some lyrics that were abouthim.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, just the voice andthe music just isn't my thing.
But although I will say Florenceand the Machine has a new album
out.
I may have mentioned it lastweek.
It's so good.
Like if you haven't listenedyet, go listen.

SPEAKER_03 (32:44):
I didn't listen because I have to I have I do
have to admit something to you.
Okay.
Had Taylor Swift stuck in myhead for the last week or so.
One specific song, and I don'tactually know all the words, so
it's only partially stuck in myhead, and I did have to listen
to it like three times lastnight to get it out, and it's
not even a song that you aregonna even imagine that it is.

SPEAKER_02 (33:06):
It's not off the new album?

SPEAKER_03 (33:07):
It is off the new album.

SPEAKER_02 (33:08):
Oh.
Which one is it?

SPEAKER_03 (33:11):
What is it called?

SPEAKER_02 (33:13):
Opalite.
No, fate of Ophelia, Wood, no,honey, no, life of a showgirl,
actually romantic, actuallyromantic.
It's a good thing.
That's it's so fucking good.
It's such a great thing.

SPEAKER_03 (33:28):
Like, yeah, it's a great, it's a good song.

SPEAKER_02 (33:30):
And I listened to that one a few times before.
I was like, wait, she's notsinging about a dude.
Because what was bothering mewith it, I was like, what guy
could she possibly be singingabout?
Like she has Travis now, shedoesn't give a shit about any of
her exes anymore.
Um, but then the line where shesays, You love me No Man Could
Ever Love Me Like You Do.
I was like, Oh, it's a chick.

(33:52):
So that's when I go because Ilike to listen to her songs
first and try to figure out whatshe's singing about before I go
and look it up.
So um, yeah, that was a reallygreat dig.
So yeah, what I did on the waydown here was I listened to Life
of a Showgirl first, and then Ilistened to Points in the
Machine after.

SPEAKER_03 (34:13):
Okay, back to we'll get away from Taylor for a
minute.
But yeah, that song has beenhaunting me.

SPEAKER_02 (34:18):
Yeah.
Oh, she didn't get nominated fora Grammy either, and everybody's
up in arms.
I think we've just establishedshe's the best, so let's give
somebody else a chance.
Like if she gets nominated everyyear.

SPEAKER_03 (34:30):
So that album actually it's some of the songs.
I I haven't listened to all ofthem, but um has grown on me.
I didn't care for it at first.
I was like, well, it's not mything, and but but that song has
grown on me.
Um the ones that they play allthe time that have grown on me,
but that song particular, I likeI I like I like the beep.
I like everything I like thedays.

(34:52):
She's really getting dirty.

SPEAKER_02 (34:53):
I think you're vicious, yeah, but it sounds
like you're flirting with me.

SPEAKER_03 (34:57):
She's getting a little Taylor's getting dirty.

SPEAKER_02 (35:00):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (35:03):
I love it.
Yeah.
Carol King, also a doubleinductee, wrote the soundtrack
of the 60s and then sang her owntruth in the 70s.
Tapestry wasn't just an album,it was a revolution in
vulnerability.
Tapestry is such a great namefor an album.
Yeah.
Carol King, I I love it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Patty Smith brought punk topoetry.

(35:25):
Joan Jett made leather andeyeliner of Out of Cry, and
Debbie Harry blurred the linesbetween punk pop and performance
art.
Joan Jett's my number one.
I fucking love Joan Jett.
I I would Yeah.
Yeah.
And then there's Madonna.
And in 2008, she didn't justpush boundaries, she raised
them.
Sexuality, religion, gender, um,nothing was off limits.

(35:46):
She made controversy her canvas.

SPEAKER_02 (35:49):
That was the great thing about Madonna was it she
did all that, but it felt real.
Like she was like, fuck y'all.
This is me.
This is what I believe.
This is what I'm into.
I'm just gonna put it all outthere for the world to see.
It didn't feel like she wastrying to like grab attention.
She was just being her, I think.

SPEAKER_03 (36:09):
I think a lot of what happens is especially with
people like Madonna.
I know I'll use Lady Gaga.
I know they get put in the samesentence a lot, but right.
Um I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonnaget a lot of hate for this one.
I think maybe.
Lady Gaga is way more talentedthan Madonna.

SPEAKER_02 (36:29):
Oh.
Hands down.
Lady Gaga is more talented than99.9% of the people to ever
read.
Bitch's voice is I'm and the wayshe dances and moves.

SPEAKER_03 (36:39):
Just fucking amazing.
Like endlessly.
Madonna had Madonna, I just sayMadonna had most of it, but she
didn't have that voice.
She didn't have, I mean, it wasfine, but it's not, it's not
gonna carry a room.
It's Madonna.
She did Poppy, you know,whatever.
But goddamn Lady Gaga.
She's definitely going into theHall of Fame first ballot.

(37:00):
Oh, yeah, for sure.
But let's take a moment tolisten to Nicole talk about the
what year was it?
1981?
1984.
So hit that music.

SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
Because I repeat your life.
We're looking through herteenage life.

SPEAKER_02 (37:29):
Alright, so um, yeah, last week um was April
2nd.
Yeah.
I was pretty consistent here.
I'm pretty sure this is gonnafall off after like a week or
two because I've never beendiligent.
And I'm trying not to look aheadbecause I want to enjoy this as
much as like sharing it does.
Um I did read this before I camedown, so that we're now on

(37:49):
Tuesday, April 3rd, uh, 1984.
I did put 84 with some linesunder it at the top, just in
case I forgot from the pagebefore.
Right.
All right, so um today I hadband in school and I sat by
Daphne.
Daphne, the BFF.
And I had recess with her.

(38:10):
Um good news.
Another substitute.
We had a substitute for Mrs.
Bailey that day.
Um when I got home, I made a boxfor my diary, and no one can get
into it.
Exclamation point.

SPEAKER_03 (38:26):
No one.

SPEAKER_02 (38:27):
No, it was probably a shoebox.
And I put do not open on it.
That will do it.
Then, here's the good 80s part.

unknown (38:38):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (38:38):
I watched the A-Team.
Now we're talking A-Team in reallife.
Yep.
Like it was probably first airedition of the episode.
And I had a snack.

SPEAKER_03 (38:51):
Of course.
You have to have a snack whilewatching the A Team.
And I went to bed.
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (38:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, but that's not all.
Today I got my report card andmy grades were a C in reading, a
B in language arts, a C insocial studies, a B in science,
a B in math, a B in band, and anA in gym.

SPEAKER_03 (39:09):
Nice.
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 (39:11):
I used to think I only got C's in science, but
that must have not been untillater.

SPEAKER_03 (39:18):
But I'm coming to find out.
That's not true.

SPEAKER_02 (39:21):
I was surprised by the C in reading and uh social
studies.
Although I was never a realhistory fan.

SPEAKER_03 (39:27):
Maybe you're just too fucking busy playing around
with Daphne.
She ever think of that?
Probably.
I was probably writing hernotes.
See, I had all A's and B'sbecause I didn't have friends to
fuck around with.

SPEAKER_02 (39:38):
It's Daphne's fault if my grades were so bad.

SPEAKER_03 (39:41):
So Daphne, if you're out there.

SPEAKER_02 (39:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (39:43):
Well, she is.
Wait till I see her.
Let her have it.
I want I want her to listen.
We need to, you need to send hera message and tell her to
listen.

SPEAKER_02 (39:51):
I should.
So that's that this week in umNicole's 1984 diary.
I'm gonna be so sad when thisdiary runs out.
I am too.

SPEAKER_03 (40:01):
We're gonna have to get you people to send in your
diaries so that we can we canread your diaries.

SPEAKER_02 (40:06):
Yes, I love that idea.

SPEAKER_03 (40:08):
Because I don't have I know I didn't have one.
Like I probably started one ahundred million times and then I
just never got past like daytwo.

SPEAKER_02 (40:14):
Well, I probably only did this one because Daphne
bought it for me.

SPEAKER_03 (40:17):
Again, I didn't have friends, so I would have had to
bought my own.
Okay.
Um so the tide is turning.
The past decade has seen somemore women inducted than ever
before.
The ceremonies are moreinclusive, more emotional, and
more electric.

(40:38):
In 2025, Cindy Lopper stood on astage and said, I stand on the
shoulders of the women who comebefore me, and my shoulders are
broad enough to have the womenwho come after me stand on mine.

SPEAKER_02 (40:48):
I was gonna say, that's a lot of women that came
after her.

SPEAKER_03 (40:52):
Um still flawed, still political, still catching
up, but every time a woman walksacross that stage, it gets a
little better, a little louder,a little more honest.
Um, rock and roll was never justabout guitars, it's about guts,
and no one has more guts thanthe women who refuse to be
background singers in their ownstory.
Um, so some these are a littlebit of funny facts.

(41:14):
Okay.
That's mostly I just have like alist of things here.
Um not really specific to women,but just okay.
So Eric Clapton is the onlyperson inducted three times.
Once as a solo artist, and againwith both cream and the
yardbirds.

SPEAKER_04 (41:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (41:32):
Uh the building is shaped like a record player.
Uh I already told you it wasdesigned by architect I am Pai.
Um the aforementioned glasspyramid sits atop a circular
plaza that represents a vinylrecord when viewed from above.
Alan Freed's ashes were once ondisplay, the DJ who coined the

(41:52):
term rock and roll.
Um, he had his ashes housed inthe museum from 2002 to 2014.
Um there is a charred piece ofOtis Redding's plane on display,
a haunting artifact from the1967 crash that took his life.
Um the hall had a short-livedNew York City annex.

(42:12):
Opened in 2008, the Rock HallAnnex in Manhattan featured
exhibits on Lennon, Elvis, andSpringsteen, but closed after
just one year due to lowattendance and high ticket
price.

SPEAKER_02 (42:22):
Because it was really just a hard rock cafe
with no food?

SPEAKER_03 (42:26):
Probably.
I mean, isn't that what everyhard rock cafe is?
Exactly.
It's just a moving rock and rollhall of fame.

SPEAKER_02 (42:34):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (42:35):
With food.

SPEAKER_02 (42:36):
Man, they do mediocre chocolate shakes,
though.
I have never been I I've notbeen to a hard rock in a very
long time, but since I was akid.

SPEAKER_03 (42:44):
Oh, I guess I'm not thinking of a hard rock.
I think I'm thinking one ofthose other ones.
And it's Hollywood.
Yeah, that came out at the sametime that just was all well.

SPEAKER_02 (42:51):
Hard rock is, yeah.
It's all memorable.

SPEAKER_03 (42:54):
Yeah, no, but I was thinking like the ones that like
popped up there and then havejust since disappeared.
Like the hard rock's stillthere.

SPEAKER_02 (43:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I have a really big collectionof hard rock guitar pins that I
started collecting when I was akid.
Um my most recent one I got wasin uh I think Niagara Falls a
couple years ago.
But I went a very long spanwhere I didn't go to Hard Rocks
and get one.
But I have some really old ones.

SPEAKER_03 (43:18):
I bet they're I bet they're worth something.
You should look that up.

unknown (43:21):
Google, your friend.

SPEAKER_03 (43:23):
Um, the first major exhibit was called I Want to
Take You Higher, launched in1997.
It focused on the psychedelicera and featured memory
memorabilia from Janice Joplin,Jefferson Airplane, and more.

SPEAKER_02 (43:36):
I was never a big Jefferson Airplane fan either.

SPEAKER_03 (43:38):
Not a big Jefferson Airplane fan.
Um many items are on loan fromElvis Presley's jumpsuit
jumpsuit to handwritten lyricsby Joni Mitchell.
Much of the museum's collectionis borrowed from artists or
estates.
Uh Japan was set to get its ownrock hall.
A satellite museum was plannedfor Tokyo ahead of the 2020
Olympics, expanding the halls atglobal reach.

(44:00):
But they just built a hard rockinstead.
Didn't say why, but I'm assumingthat's it.
Uh Cleveland was the obviouschoice.
Cities like New York and SanFrancisco were in the running,
but Cleveland won the bid thanksto its rock history and a$65
million fundraising campaign.

SPEAKER_02 (44:18):
Yeah, and New York and San Francisco have enough.
Like San Francisco, I've beenthere, it has a lot.

SPEAKER_03 (44:23):
Well, first of all, all the Hall of Fames in Ohio,
so why would you not put Oh,true that too.
I didn't even think about that.
Yeah.
Football and baseball are bothin in Ohio.
Yeah.
Canton.

SPEAKER_02 (44:34):
San Francisco's an extremely expensive city and
very, very dirty.
Um huge homeless problem.

SPEAKER_03 (44:43):
Yeah.
I've never been to SanFrancisco.

SPEAKER_02 (44:45):
Very big, like mental health homeless.

SPEAKER_03 (44:47):
You have to ride over that bridge, which I don't
think I can do.

SPEAKER_02 (44:49):
Oh, I never rode the bridge.
No.
I went down I could fly in,right?
Yeah.
And then I went down and I waslike that ground view you get of
it up, that's that's where wewere standing.
But um but besides beingextremely expensive and having a
bad homeless problem.
It's an amazing city.

(45:10):
Oh my god.
I've heard that is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (45:14):
I have been to only I've only been to California a
little bit, like one.
I've only been to Death Valley.
I've never been to like LA orany of that.
I have zero interest in going toLA.

SPEAKER_02 (45:23):
Yeah, that was the only place time I've been to
California.
I would love to see San Diegobecause I've heard it's
beautiful.
I want to see the redwoods.
Oh yeah, for sure.
A Napa.
All right.
Well, when we get rich on thispodcast.

SPEAKER_03 (45:36):
You people need to step it up because we have a lot
of things we want to do.
We have a lot of things we wantto buy.

SPEAKER_02 (45:40):
And you're really not helping us out at all.
Just kidding.
Yeah, we are just kidding.
We appreciate you all.
And we know we're never gonnaget rich off of this, but it's
fun to fantasize.

SPEAKER_03 (45:50):
We're just playing around here.
The hall has inducted over 400artists, including performers,
producers, and early influencersacross genres from uh Chuck
Barry to Missy Elliott.
Janet Jackson used her 2019induction speech to call out the
hall's gender gap, saying inductmore women.

SPEAKER_02 (46:09):
I love Janet Jackson so much.
Like I always did, and I oh, Iremember I found some classic
MTV videos on um on my YouTubeand uh man, they were putting
out some bangers.
I was just I know we we foundtoo.

(46:30):
Like, yeah, and watching thevideo, it was just crazy.
Yeah, probably.
But um, yeah, Janet Jackson, shewas by far I would say she was
more talented than MichaelJackson, but I love her so so
much.
I love her, but I don't know.
And she's a reason that I wantto love Justin Timberlake, but

(46:51):
he's made so many dumb mistakes,and everybody swears that her
decline is from him with thewardrobe malfunction.
And there's also conspiracytheories that it was intentional
for attention.

SPEAKER_03 (47:09):
I think Justin is a better actor than anything.

SPEAKER_02 (47:13):
Yeah, I think music gets him in trouble.

SPEAKER_03 (47:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (47:16):
Because when he was on his latest tour was when he
got the DUI and he didn't lookgood.
Um, but when he's been acting,he's been okay.
But his wife's an amazing umshow producer.
I don't know his wife.
Jessica Beale.
Oh.

unknown (47:34):
Hold on a second.
Hold on.

SPEAKER_03 (47:37):
So uh next we have Whitney Houston was inducted in
2020, and her hologram tourlaunched the same year, making
her the first Hall of Famer totour posthumously via hologram.

SPEAKER_02 (47:49):
I'm glad that hologram thing has seemed to
kind of go away.
Like they use it in commercialsand stuff now, but that was some
dumb ass shit.
That was dumb.

SPEAKER_03 (47:56):
Yeah.
Um, the Go Go's inducted in 2021are still the only all-female
band who wrote their own songsand played their own instruments
to top the Billboard albumchart.
I did what?
Really?
Wow.
I mean, every all the otherwomen didn't write their own
music.
Yeah, I'm trying to thinkthrough it, or they didn't play
an instrument.

(48:16):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (48:17):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (48:18):
I'll get in in a minute.
I'll get into all the women.
Yeah.
Uh Salt and Peppa, these arejust like some.
Salt and Peppa inducted in well,because um a lot of them, I was
looking up all the women thatwere in them, and a lot of them
because I guess it happened sonot so long ago, but um, there
wasn't as much fanfare as thereis now.

(48:40):
So a lot of them, it's like hitor miss finding any information
on it.

SPEAKER_02 (48:43):
And a lot of when the girl band started, music was
becoming like electronic andsynthesized.
Yeah.
So it was less of a Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (48:54):
Yeah.
Uh Salt and Peppa inducted in2025.
We're the first female rap groupto enter the hall, joined by DJ
Spinderella, the first female DJin inducted.

SPEAKER_02 (49:05):
They were the first female rap group.
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (49:08):
Group.
Missy got in first, though.

SPEAKER_02 (49:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (49:12):
I knew that.
No, no offense to Missy, but Idon't know why Salt and Pepper
didn't get in before Missy.

SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
Yeah, I want to say that like Rolling Stone came out
with their top 100 this year,like a month or two ago, and
Missy was like number one.
Like for some re I love Missy,don't get me wrong, but I just
feel like you know she's yeah, Idon't understand where all this
excessive hype.

SPEAKER_03 (49:31):
I don't know.
And I'll tell you who else I'msad about not being in there.
The Queen.
Latifah?
Yeah, I love her.
But I guess maybe more she Idon't know.

SPEAKER_02 (49:40):
I'm not gonna get into the not being there.

SPEAKER_03 (49:42):
I'm not gonna get into the politics of Queen
Latifa.
Maybe she m more acting thanmusic there for a while.

SPEAKER_02 (49:49):
Yeah, but some of her music because LL's in there.

SPEAKER_03 (49:53):
Yeah.

unknown (49:54):
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (49:55):
LL deserves to be in the everywhere.
LL should be everywhere all thetime.
All the time with no shirt on.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Not sorry.

unknown (50:04):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (50:05):
Um Debbie Harry once said she didn't even know why
they were being inducted until afan told her.

unknown (50:12):
Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 (50:12):
She did.
She once said she didn't evenknow they were, not why.
They know they were beinginducted until a fan told her.
The band famously had an onstagespat during the their 2006
induction, of which formermembers could perform.
For Blondie.

SPEAKER_02 (50:28):
That's pretty messed up.
But that the Hall of Famedoesn't reach out and let you
know.
Apparently not.

SPEAKER_03 (50:32):
Or did they just not check out?
I guess not in 2006.
That's why I say like it's hardto find anything.
Like, I guess nowadays it's sobig, they make such a big
spectacle out of it.
True, true.
Everything's a big spectaclenow.
Joan Jett brought Miley Cyrus onstage to perform Crimson and
Clover during her 2015induction.
Um Kate Bush inducted in 2023,didn't attend the ceremony.

(50:56):
Uh, true to her famouslyreclusive nature.
Did she have a lot of famous?
I don't I don't know much abouther.

SPEAKER_02 (51:02):
Yeah, I don't either, and that's why I say I
feel like that was really veryum pop culture-y.

SPEAKER_03 (51:08):
Maybe I I I'm not familiar with her enough to know
anything about her.
Okay.
She might have a whole lot ofstuff I don't know about.

SPEAKER_02 (51:14):
Well, I'm sure she has stuff, but that one song was
on Stranger Things and she blewup.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (51:21):
Again.

unknown (51:21):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (51:22):
Salt and Peppa were inducted by Missy Elliott, who
called them the bricklayers ofhip-hop and credited them for
paving the way for her owncareer.
And she is as beautiful as ever.

SPEAKER_02 (51:33):
I was such a huge salt and pepper fan.
My god, I choreographed moredances to their songs.
Yeah.
I really did miss my calling.

SPEAKER_03 (51:43):
Um, Cindy Lopper was inducted by Chapel Roan um with
support from Ray and AvrilLevine, who joined her on stage
for an all-female performance ofGirls Just Want to Have Fun.
And can I just tell you that Ialmost did not recognize Avril
Levine, especially until shesaid Avril, and I was like, I
saw Avril Levine at Fireflymaybe two or three years ago,

(52:05):
the last year that they had it.

SPEAKER_02 (52:07):
Yeah, I didn't.
If she wouldn't have had AvrilLevine outfits on, I wouldn't
have known her.

SPEAKER_03 (52:13):
I would not have known her if Helder.

SPEAKER_02 (52:15):
It was kind of an obnoxious show too, because I do
like her and and I like hervoice, but at the time she was
engaged to a bandmate or someother singer or something, and
they were performing together.
Uh-huh.
And it was so lame and dumb.
And then they broke up shortlythereafter, so it was kind of
ruined by them being caught inthe moment.

(52:35):
But yeah, I can still say I sawher.

unknown (52:38):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (52:39):
Um, so now I'm gonna just go through and tell you
about the ladies and who theywere inducted by because I
thought that was prettyinteresting.
Okay, I'm excited.
Uh Stevie Nicks was inducted byHarry Stiles.

SPEAKER_02 (52:51):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (52:52):
Tina Turner.
That's a good choice.
Yep.
Tina Turner was inducted byAngela Bassett.
Oh.
Carol King was inducted by umMiss Taylor Swift.

SPEAKER_02 (53:02):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (53:03):
Whitney was inducted by Alicia Keys.
Oh, that's a good one.
Janet was inducted by JanelleMonet.

SPEAKER_02 (53:11):
Never been a big Jamel toy.

SPEAKER_03 (53:13):
Here's an odd one.
Aretha Franklin was inducted byKeith Richards.

unknown (53:17):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (53:18):
Laverne Baker was inducted by Shaka Khan.
Ruth Brown was inducted byBonnie Raitt.
Janice Joplin was inducted byMelissa Etheridge.

SPEAKER_02 (53:28):
Nice.

SPEAKER_03 (53:29):
Martha and the Vandelas were inducted by Fred
Schneider and Kate Pearson.
Who?
The B52s.

SPEAKER_02 (53:35):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (53:37):
Joni Mitchell was inducted by Sean Colvin.
Dusty Springfield was inductedby Elton John.
Bonnie Raitt again.
Melissa Etheridge.
Brenda Lee was inducted byJewel.

SPEAKER_02 (53:51):
Oh, I love Jewel back in the early 90s.

SPEAKER_03 (53:55):
Um, this here is um, so uh this is gonna this made my
little heart happy.
Blondie was inducted by uhShirley Manson.
I fucking love her.
Me too.
That's as just alternative as itgets right there.
For real.
Patty Smith was inducted by ZachDella Roca.

SPEAKER_04 (54:16):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (54:16):
Madonna.
Here's a weird one too.
Was inducted by JustinTimberlake.
I I don't know why.
Weird combo.
That's almost insulting.
It's a little weird.
It's it's but they pick who theywant.
Do they?
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure that maybe notthen, but I know they do now.

unknown (54:34):
Huh.

SPEAKER_03 (54:35):
Darlene Love was inducted by Bet Medler.
Ooh.
Donna Summer was inducted byKelly Rowan.

SPEAKER_02 (54:42):
Okay.
I like that.

SPEAKER_03 (54:43):
Joan Jett was inducted by Miley Cyrus.
Joan Baez was inducted byJackson Brown.
Nina Simone was inducted by MaryJ.
Blige.

SPEAKER_02 (54:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (54:53):
I told you about Janet Jackson and Stevie Nicks.
Uh Pat Benatar was inducted byCheryl Crow.

SPEAKER_02 (54:59):
That's a good match.
I was a huge Bat Benatar when Iwas like in elementary school.
I love Pat Benatar.
Like Love is a Battlefield.

SPEAKER_03 (55:06):
That video I wanted that outfit so fucking bad.
I know.
I think we've talked about that,but I think that's a good idea.
That video was like everything.
So good.
Um Dolly Parton was inducted byPink.
And he didn't put it in here,but it was funny because Dolly
tried to turn it down becauseshe wasn't rock and rolling up.
And then I remember that.
That wasn't that long ago,right?
Yeah.
And then she went on to record arock album after that.

SPEAKER_02 (55:30):
She did so that she could say that she belonged.
I do remember that.

SPEAKER_03 (55:33):
There's no other like maybe Betty White.
Her and Dolly Parton are likethe two most amazing human
beings ever put on the earth.

SPEAKER_02 (55:42):
I think the thing that makes Dolly Parton a little
notch above is all of herhumanitarian work.
Yeah.
That she does.

SPEAKER_03 (55:50):
Yeah.
Those books.
We get those books all the time.
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (55:53):
I love that.
I wish that would have been athing when my kids were little.

SPEAKER_03 (55:56):
Yeah.
Um, Carly Simon was inducted bySarah Borellis.
Kate Bush was inducted by BigBoy.

unknown (56:06):
I don't know who that is.

SPEAKER_02 (56:07):
He's uh the other half of Outcast.
Oh.
It's Andre3000 and Big Boy.

unknown (56:12):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (56:13):
I see.
I shows you how much I know.
Uh Cheryl Crow was um inductedby Laura Dern, which I thought
was weird also.

SPEAKER_02 (56:21):
That is weird.
She's not a musician.
I know.
Her mom just died this week too,by the way.
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 (56:27):
Yeah.
Missy Misdemeanor Elliot,because I like to say the whole
thing, was inducted by theQueen, Queen Latifa.
Uh Mary J was inducted by Dr.
Drain Method Man.

SPEAKER_02 (56:39):
I love Mary J.

SPEAKER_03 (56:41):
Cher was inducted by Zendeha.
Oh, I love Zendaya.
Uh da da.
I think that was it.
Yeah.
That's it.
That was all.
Okay.
I see that I had another, butthen I cut it off.
So I don't know what I was goingwith that.

(57:04):
Just fucking stopped writing, Iguess.
That's how we roll.
Fuck that.
I'm done.
It's because I move shit aroundall the time.
And okay.
Yeah.
Hi.

SPEAKER_02 (57:12):
That's why you have to go back and proofread.

SPEAKER_03 (57:14):
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (57:15):
I did.
I thought.
I know.
I trust you.
Plus, you know, by the time youget to the end, you're like,
Yeah, that's good.
That's good.
That's fine.

SPEAKER_03 (57:22):
And then sometimes I scan too far and I see like, oh,
that's the end there.
Yeah.
Whatever.

unknown (57:28):
That's it.

SPEAKER_03 (57:29):
Good for me.

SPEAKER_02 (57:31):
We are the best shares of information.

SPEAKER_03 (57:33):
We're great.
I don't know why you peoplelisten.
I know.
It's because we're so fuckingfunny.
We really are.

SPEAKER_02 (57:39):
Um, it that was amazing.
And I thought of something thatI forgot to say in the
beginning.
Okay.
Um have you seen those photos ofMars that have been coming back?
I have not.
I'll have to show you after theshow.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:55):
It's been well, the last couple nights, uh, well,
like last week sometime we had achance to see the Aurora.
Um, I didn't see it though.
And it would have only beenpicked up on camera.
Um, and then the other day,yesterday, day before, no, the
day into the full moon, whateverday that was, Friday.

(58:16):
Whatever day was the full moon,there's a bright star next to
it.
Um, I don't remember the name ofit, but it is no longer alive.
Yeah.
So it's the last light.

SPEAKER_02 (58:30):
It's a little bit weird.
It is really weird.
Um, I also NASA recentlyreleased a photo of the side of
the earth where it's basicallyall ocean, like any land you
can't really see from that'snuts.

SPEAKER_03 (58:45):
That is just mind-blowing.
That's that one part of theocean, uh, Point Nemo is the
furthest from land.
You're even closer to land thanin the space station than you
are.
Yeah.
There.
It is this crazy.
Well, and that's where theythat's where they um when
they're bringing shit down,that's where they try and hit
because there's so much water.

SPEAKER_02 (59:06):
Yeah, I don't know why I've been watching a lot of
ocean stuff lately, but theyalso found what's it called, a
giant shark.
And they filmed it.
Oh, I did see that.
It's like 600 years old of theearth or surface of the water.
Was that the one that's 600years old?
I think so.
It's huge.
I don't remember.
I think it's the second largestcreature on the planet right

(59:26):
now.
Because the blue whale is thebiggest.

SPEAKER_03 (59:28):
Right, right.
No, this one.
The Greenland shark.
It was a Greenland shark that Isaw that's like 600 years old.
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (59:36):
Speaking of Greenland, which has nothing to
do with this, but Iceland gottheir first mosquitoes uh a
couple weeks ago.
Aren't they lucky?
They had never it was the onlycountry left with no mosquitoes
and a gardener, thank you, gouh, climate change.
Uh found three in his garden.
Wow.
So yeah.
There you have literally can'tget away from him anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (59:57):
You can't.
You know, I always said I wasgonna move Somewhere that didn't
have snakes.
I think those places are runningout of Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:05):
Running out of it's either getting too warm or it's
melting away.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:09):
So the other day, okay, I lived in the town of if
you are not familiar with thestate of Delaware, the town I
live in is called FenwickIsland.
Look it up on a map, it's prettyfucking cool.
And it's very small.
It is very small.
Um it is right on the literalborder of uh Maryland, and it is
also part of the Mason-Dixonline.
Um it's dividing the north fromthe south.

(01:00:33):
It is.
Um we have a lighthouse, it'slovely.
Super annoying when I was a kid,but whatever.
Anyhow, lived there pretty muchmy whole life.
Um saw a raccoon.
I know.
Now, here's my thing about it.
I know this is nobody cares, butI do.

(01:00:54):
There's raccoons in between,like Fenwick and Bethany.
I have seen raccoons dead on theroad, but I've never seen one in
town Rehoba.
And at first I thought it was acat, but then it was walking not
like a cat, because obviouslyraccoons walk very differently
than cats.
But there's a cat that livesover there that has like a big
bushy tail and it's gray, and itanyway.

(01:01:15):
And I kept looking at it, I waslike, is that a fucking raccoon?
And I keep looking and itclimbed up on the dumpster, and
I was like, I'm pretty surethat's a fucking raccoon.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:22):
Can you imagine if Rehoboth becomes invaded with
raccoons?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:26):
Well, I'm sure Rehoboth has them because well,
I don't know about it anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:29):
But well, I mean, you never see one.
I mean, maybe in the backneighborhoods, but I mean, like
if they were running down thestreet.
I see him dead, but that's theother Rehoboth Avenue.
That would be weird.
Walking down the boardwalk.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:41):
We have a fox that lives behind that, and then we
came across that fucker theother morning.
It scared the shit out of me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:47):
They're scary, and when they scream, it's a
hideously horrible sound.
A terrible noise.
It's it's sounds like someone isbeing murdered.
It does, except it doesn't soundhuman.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:58):
Yeah, it's just like, what is that?
An alien?
Like, what the fuck ishappening?
Foxes are freaky.
They are.
Um but so, and then suddenly wehave like an inundation of
squirrels, also, which so wedon't have trees.
True.
There's short trees in between,but because of the wind, as
today.
So what are they eating?

(01:02:19):
Well, I mean, there the onethat's near me is eating the
peanuts that I've allowed forus.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:23):
Well, I mean, naturally, what is drawing them
to because it is pretty muchseed in nuts.
And if you don't have any trees,then you don't have any.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:36):
I don't know what it eats.
I've seen two of them.
They can't shove them in theirjowls.
No, I don't know what they eat.
I don't know.
I don't know anything about ourI again.
Well, I was probably 15 yearsold, 16 years old, before we
don't have fireflies hereeither.
I mean, here at my mom's housewe do, but where I grew up, we
don't have fireflies because wedon't have trees.

(01:02:59):
So I had not seen a lightningbug.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:02):
I mean, I probably did rip the butts off of
fireflies so much as a kid.
It was awful.
I feel so bad about it to thisday, but it was so fast.
It was like science back then.
It was like, what they hit yourwindshield.
Yeah, I just usually rip themright off and smear the glow on
my fingers, like, ooh.
Gross.

(01:03:24):
It was gross and awful, but itwas fascinating too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:27):
So yeah, my I saw a raccoon and I was I was I was
just shocked by it.
I text my sister immediately andshe said it probably has rabies,
and I was like, let's go inside,dog.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:37):
So because a raccoon will rip the shit out of
anything.
Yeah, they are violent.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:41):
They're horrible.
They can people have them aspets, and I actually, when I was
little, I remember people havethem as pets because they would
always crawl down your shirt.
Like and I remember that as akid.
Yeah, but they're they're justtoo they're like having a tiger
as a pet.
Like they'll rip your face.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:55):
They will fuck you up.
They got them hands.
I don't care for it.
Yeah.
My aunt and uncle had a skunk.
Awesome pet.
I wish I would get a skunk ifthey didn't stink so bad,
because they do stink, even whenyou take even when you take the
stink machine out, they stillstink.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:08):
I could totally see you owning a skunk.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:09):
Oh god, they're so fun.
They uh he they had actually hadtwo snooze and um They're
probably like big ferrets, huh?

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:16):
And you used to be a ferret fan.
Oh, they they act just like aferret.
They do the is it still legal toown a ferret?

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:22):
Oh no, you can have them.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:23):
You never see anybody with them anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:25):
They're at the pet stores.
Yeah.
They're not a good pet.
They're they're a great pet, butthey stink and they're a pain in
the key.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:34):
And they need a lot of exercise too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:35):
They do, but they are so much fun.
Mine used to try and get mydog's ear all the time.
I remember.
Fucking love, I love a ferret.
Anyway.
Anyway.
Um, so that's that.
About that.
I was gonna put um snubs inthere, but I mean there's enough
controversy.
There's a lot of people thathave.
There's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:56):
I mean, we you could probably do a hundred episodes
on the whole whole final theme.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:00):
Who should be in there and isn't.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:02):
But it yeah, it was a great topic.
This was a good class this year.
I agree with everybody that gotin this year.
Definitely worth it, definitelydeserved it.
But yeah, I just wish I don'tknow, maybe next year if you
think of it remind me.
Okay.
Because I feel like it alwayssneaks up on me and I I'm like,
damn it, that was last night.

(01:05:23):
The only ones that I can keeptrack of are like the Grammys
and the Oscars, because I knowthey always happen in between
the end of the playoffs and andum like February March the Super
Bowl.
Like I think they play theGrammys are then, yeah.
In those few weeks there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:39):
The Oscars is after, it's like March.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:41):
Okay.
I know that there's an awardseason in there somewhere.
So anything that fallsthroughout the rest of the year,
I'd miss.
Did you see ridiculousness, GatCanton?
I did.
I meant to text you that and Itotally forgot.
I mean, not that there's notplenty of episodes to watch for
the rest of it.
I could probably start thebeginning and never get through
all of them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:59):
I don't think so.
But it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:02):
It's sad it is.
But it sounds like Rob Deardickwas ready to be done.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:07):
I mean, what the hell is that?
I don't know.
I mean, he is pretty old.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:13):
He is, and he's got a wife and kids and just built a
new house, and he's always onthese business adventures.
I've always had a super crush onhim because you know I always
love me a skater boy.
Yeah.
And he is funny, but yeah, itwasn't the same after um Chanel
left anyway.
So I didn't realize she left.
Yeah, she retired a couple yearsago to she had a baby and she

(01:06:35):
wanted to pursue her her rapcareer, which I think she needs
to give up at this point becauseI think she's close to 40.
Did not know she was a rappereither.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:43):
Not a big fan.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:45):
I absolutely adore her as a person and on that
show, but yeah, don't don't doyourself a favor and don't
listen to her music.
I wasn't.
Yeah, no, it's that's a favor Iit's not good.
Yeah.
Bless her little heart.
I mean, I give her kudos fortrying.
It's not gonna be in the hall offame.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:02):
No.
So thank you for listening.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:06):
Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:07):
Um, you forgot to do all this at the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:09):
I did, I just thought of that.
Like, share, rate review.
Damn it, nobody's gonna followus now.
God, we ruined it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:19):
That's it.
This is our last episode.
Fuck this bullshit.
Like, share, rate review.
Please.
Find us where you listen topodcasts.
Please.
Follow us on all the socials.
Please, please, please.
At like whatever pod.
You can send us an email aboutwhy we should be inducted into

(01:07:42):
the rock and roll hall of fameto likewateverpod at gmail.com
or don't like whatever ever.
Send us to Cleveland.
Bye.
Bye.