Good Grief We Are The Trombones Now

A pop lyric can flip your mood, a true-crime twist can spark outrage, and a simple comic strip can outlive its creator by generations. We dive headfirst into that messy middle where culture meets memory: one of us swooning over Taylor’s newest hooks and audacious lines, the other craving the ache of her sadder eras; both of us stuck on the question that won’t let go—what happens when a show like Monster: Ed Gein chooses drama over documented fact? The debate gets spirited as we weigh accuracy against entertainment, why victims’ stories deserve care, and how we reset our brains with a comfort watch when the gore lingers.

From there, we time-travel to Peanuts at 75 and unpack how Charles Schulz built a universe from tiny moments: a kite-eating tree, a baseball loss, a dog with delusions of grandeur. We talk Snoopy’s polarizing charm, Woodstock’s mysterious species, Franklin’s quiet milestone for representation, and why Schulz ended the strip on his own terms. Along the way we wander through parades and Mummers lore, the strange warmth of holiday specials, and the way certain characters become family even when we swear we don’t like them.

It’s personal, nerdy, and very Gen X: a love letter to pop, a side-eye at lazy storytelling, and a salute to the minimal comic that somehow said everything. If you’ve got thoughts on Taylor’s best mode, whether Monster went too far, or if Snoopy is iconic or insufferable, we want to hear them. Subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a quick review so more curious people can find us. And tell us in the comments: which classic actually aged well—and which one should’ve stayed in the attic?

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SPEAKER_02 (00:31):
Welcome to Like Whatever, a podcast for, by, and
about Gen X.
I'm Nicole, and this is my BFFF,Heather.
Hello.
Alright, so first order ofbusiness, because I'm obsessed,
is um Taylor's new album.
I love it.
Taylor released a new album incase anybody didn't know.

(00:54):
If you've been living under arock, um she would have to be.
Uh I love it.
I love everything about it.
It's the album is too short, isthe only issue.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04):
Like I did listen to it.
Not a fan.
It's not my cup of tea.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09):
Yeah.
But it's fine.
I have to say, my favorite notmy it's not my favorite song,
but she wrote a song aboutTravis's dick.
And I did.
I just can't.
I just I love it.
It makes me giggle.
It's so funny.
And it's I woke up Fridaymorning.
It dropped midnight Fridaymorning, I guess you would say.

(01:35):
Anyway, um, so I was getting upgetting ready for work.
I turned on Spotify on the TVand had it blurring while I was
getting ready.
So I was listening but notpaying attention.
Then on the way to work, I'mlike driving and wood came on
and I was like listening, da dada da da da da.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51):
And I'm like, wait, what'd she just say?
Is this all about Travis's dick?
I know.
She texted me and I was like,what?
And then I went and Googled theand I was like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
I did the same thing as soon as I got to my office.
I just opened social media andthat's all anyone was talking
about.
And I was like, okay.
That's right, girl.
I love it.
And then I also didn't know thatshe and Charlie XTX have beef.
Beef?
I didn't know that either.
But um, yeah, but I waslistening to um Actually

(02:23):
Romantic, which I think is afunny song, and it's about
Charlie XTX.
Um and not just not being younganymore and putting the pieces
together.
Charlie XEX is married to one ofthe 1985s.
And Matt Healy, Maddie Healy isthe lead singer of the 1985s.

(02:45):
I didn't know that was a thing.
1985.
I didn't know that was I thinkthat's the name of the band.
I have no idea.
Okay.
Anyway, Maddie Healy is the onethat she wrote all the sad songs
on Torture Poets Departmentabout.
And I didn't know that.
So Charlie is married to thebandmate.
But the fucked up thing is thatCharlie XCX opened for Taylor in

(03:08):
2015.
So guess what probably launchedyou into stardom?
Right.
But she wrote some shade songabout Taylor, and so Taylor
wrote the shade song back, andit's funny and cute, and I love
it.
And I love the video to Fate ofOphelia, and I just love her,

(03:29):
and I'll shut up now because Icould go on the whole episode
about it.

SPEAKER_03 (03:32):
He only went on for three minutes.

SPEAKER_02 (03:36):
All right.
And I know, well, and I'm savingit too for my my uh therapist
because she is off to alsoSwifty.
And she was so mad because wemeet on Thursdays and the album
dropped Friday.
She was like, I so wish thealbum would have dropped before
this.
I was like, Well, now we'll havea whole week to listen to it and
really take it in and then wecan talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 (03:54):
So I'd listen to it and it's fine.
I mean, I'm sure it's fine.
It's just it's not it's toopoppy.
I I like her like a sad stuff,so yeah.
I mean, I'm I do like her as aperson.
It's just not your kind ofmusic.
I I enjoy like the storytellingof it and all that, but um, it's
not my cup of tea.
Plus, I don't really ever listento music anymore.
Really.

(04:15):
It's all dateline.
It's all murder.

SPEAKER_02 (04:21):
Well, I'm usually just uh NPR in the car, but
lately, obviously.

SPEAKER_03 (04:26):
Yeah, I'll tailor all the time.
24-7.
I've been watching the the newmonster, the Ed Gean on Netflix.
I am watching that as well.
I'm so disappointed, so sad.
I was really looking forward toit, really excited about it, and
it's just it's it's it's fine,it's entertaining.

(04:48):
It is entertaining, it's a greatstory.
Unfortunately, most of it is nottrue.

SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
So and obviously, I know who Edgeen is.
I love serial killers.
He's not necessarily one that Iever paid a whole lot of
attention to because until thepast few years, I've never
really been into horror moviesand such.
So I wouldn't have made thoseconnections like back then, I
don't think.
Um I'm sure at some point in mylife I knew it that he was Texas
Chainsaw Massacre and Psycho andall that.

(05:20):
Yeah.
But um it it it still justdidn't a lot of the pieces
didn't fit together for me.
So I'm gonna watch I I have likean episode and a half left.
So I'm gonna finish that andthen I'm gonna find a real life
documentary on him and watch itand see.

SPEAKER_03 (05:36):
I've only gotten through two episodes of it and I
already hate it.

SPEAKER_02 (05:40):
I was excited to come talk to you about it too.
I'm sorry that you hate it.

SPEAKER_03 (05:43):
I'm gonna have to force myself into the rest of
it.
I'm just the story is already sofucked up.
Like, why are we just tellinglies?
Like, why are we just makingshit up?
The story of it is so incrediblyout there, and like I know
people say, Oh, it's myfavorite, you know, he's
technically not a serial killerbecause he only killed two, but

(06:06):
my favorite, I'll say nut job.

SPEAKER_02 (06:09):
Well, he's already killed more than two in the
show, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
And he only killed two people.
Um so he is from a umpsychological standpoint.
That's why I like him so much.
A, because he he he didn'trealize what he was doing was
wrong, really.
That I mean that he's criminallyinsane, so yeah, he definitely

(06:32):
he did get convicted.
Spoiler alert, um, he did getconvicted of one murder, but he
spent his whole life in a minutethe whole rest of his life in
him and he died in 1984, by theway.
Damn.
Um he was born in 1904.
Yeah.
Um Wow.
Well, he probably did reallywell in the really is true, only

(06:53):
the good.
I mean, he probably did reallywell in a mental institution
because he needed the structure.
And that most of them do just domuch better in jail than they
did out on their own becausethey need the structure.
Um at first I was, you know,when they announced who was
playing him, I was a littleunsure of that because Charlie's

(07:14):
just entirely too handsome.
I do like what they've done thatthey did ugly him up a little
bit, and he does have thecorrect body for it, and you do
see all of his body.
Uh yeah.
And some people have saidthey're sad that Charlie looks
better in lingerie than they do.

SPEAKER_02 (07:33):
I have to say he does look spectacular in all the
lingerie.

SPEAKER_03 (07:36):
Yeah, he does.
He's in, yeah.
It's just I'm I'm justdisappointed.
I I just you didn't need to makeit up.
It's already an insane, fuckedup, crazy story that you didn't
need to add.

SPEAKER_02 (07:49):
I'm excited to watch the real documentary on it.
But it's funny you mentioned thepsychological part because
that's my obsession with serialcolors anyway.
Like the um even the theprettier ones, like the Ted
Bundies, um, there's stillsomething so missing.

SPEAKER_03 (08:08):
To me, the craziest part is is how do you do that
and then go to the grocery storewithout like or home to your
wife and kids.
Yeah.
It's just crawling to bed,nothing happens.

SPEAKER_02 (08:22):
Like nothing happened.
That's what I mean.
Like having absolutely nofeeling about that.

SPEAKER_03 (08:27):
Yeah.
Like just not do you just shutyour brain up?
I mean, I that's the fact thatI'm not sure.
No, they don't have that.

SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
Yeah.
They don't have that.
That's crazy.
I know.
I can't fathom it.
No.

SPEAKER_03 (08:37):
I just can't I mean I can't fathom like so here's my
other thing about edgeing.
I mean healed two people, yes.
But most of the shit he did, hedug dug up graves, and then he
soaked You might want to skipahead of He soaked all their
skin and well, he took theirskin, and then he soaked all the

(08:59):
flesh off of them, and then heput the bones back.

SPEAKER_02 (09:01):
I mean, so really I mean Exact the skin was gonna
dissolve anyway.

unknown (09:09):
Well, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (09:10):
Who was he really hurting?

unknown (09:12):
Come on, right.

SPEAKER_03 (09:14):
Do you care if somebody wears your face around
after you're dead?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (09:18):
No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_03 (09:19):
No.
If you want uh donate me toserial killers who like to wear
put me on the dark web whenyou're done with it.
I don't care.
Look at all these tattoos.
I would make great furniture.
Ooh.

SPEAKER_02 (09:30):
I know, that's so pretty.

SPEAKER_03 (09:31):
Can you imagine a lamp?
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
Wow, that'd be beautiful.
You would be a beautiful lamp.
Gorgeous lamp.
The the nipple seat did kind offreak me out a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 (09:40):
Oh, he had a nipple belt too.

SPEAKER_02 (09:41):
Oh well, they show other nipple things, but at one
point they just have a box ofvulvas.

SPEAKER_03 (09:46):
That was actually.

SPEAKER_02 (09:47):
I was gonna ask you if the leathered vulvas were a
real thing.

SPEAKER_03 (09:50):
That was a real thing.
Yep.
So watch it at your own risk.
It's not, it's not, and most ofit is it's not.

SPEAKER_02 (10:00):
I'm kind of glad I don't really know his real his
whole story watching this,because I can just enjoy it and
be creeped out.

SPEAKER_03 (10:07):
And that's exactly what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 (10:08):
And then I'll educate myself afterward.

SPEAKER_03 (10:10):
All the ratings are, you can tell if it's like
somebody who is deeply I don'tknow what the word interested
for people like me.
Um fascinated.
Yeah.
That know the story and who arelike, ugh, I didn't like it.
You know, and the acting andlike when they pick it apart,

(10:31):
their main problem with it isthe story isn't accurate.
Um, you know, acting is great,everything else is it and it
makes a great movie if it werebased on if they didn't if I
don't know.
If it wasn't supposed to be likea more accurate because the
Dahmer one was pretty accurate.

SPEAKER_02 (10:48):
I was gonna say, they've done other monsters.
Even I'm I'm not a big fan ofthe Menendez Brothers.
I ended up watching that onebecause it was just all over the
news.
Yeah.
But it was pretty accurate to,you know.
I mean, I I lived through it, Iremember it.
And I felt like it was prettytrue.
Dahmer seemed pretty true.

SPEAKER_03 (11:06):
That's it.
You know, I mean they're not andthey're not saying they're a
documentary, so they haveliberty, but I know they take
liberties, but I think they justwent they went way out the box
when they it was unnecessary todo that.
Gotcha.
So if you haven't watched it andyou're into that kind of thing,
and you know the story insideand out like some of us do,

(11:26):
you're not gonna like it.
If you don't know the storyinside and out and you like just
the gory, creepy, then it iscertainly yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (11:35):
The end of episode three.
Whew, got me.
I had to shut it off for alittle bit.
I turned on Shrek instead andwatch that.

SPEAKER_03 (11:45):
Get a little donkey in my lips.
Pretty funny because um my workbestie, he um his daughter calls
him Shrek or the Grinch insteadof Daddy.
And I he told me that the otherday, and I just could not stop
laughing.
That was the greatest thing I'veever heard in my life.
Poor guy.
Yeah.

(12:06):
Shrek.
Her mother probably told her tocall it.
No, she just likes Shrek.
She wants to go with Fiona forHalloween.
Oh they're having troublefinding a Fiona costume her size
because she's three.
Yeah, they probably don't reallymake Fiona costumes.
They do her, they're looking foronline, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (12:24):
And they need a velvet green dress and a red
wig.
Yeah.
Painter up green.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's all we had forthis week.
I don't think there's anythinggoing on.
Um I was gonna talk about theMark Sanchez thing, but I I'm
not a fan of Mark Sanchez, and Ijust went on a rant about CTE

(12:47):
last week, so I'm gonna keep mymouth shut.
Although everyone is saying hewas highly intoxicated, which
does not mean he doesn't alsohave CTE.
Sure, it's CTE related.
It's got to be.
I mean, he's he's he's big news.
It's not like he was just MarkSanchez some years ago.
He's a commentator on Fox Board,so yikes.

(13:11):
Yeah.
Now he's got a felony charge.
They had only given him uhmisdemeanor, three misdemeanors
at first, but then there wereeyewitnesses and they
interviewed all them and uppedit to uh felony charges.

SPEAKER_03 (13:23):
So see, I just I just I saw it and I didn't read
any more into it, so I didn't Idon't know.
I I don't know what I I have carissues, so I'm wrapped up in car
drama.
I just have issues.
I swear to god, like I cannothave a car without an issue.

(13:43):
I could buy you could walk me onto a car dealership and give me
a car with zero miles on it,brand spanking new.
And by the time I get it home,something will be wrong with it.
I will hit a nail, some some I Ihave no luck with cars.

SPEAKER_02 (14:01):
Rock will hit your windows.

SPEAKER_03 (14:02):
Yeah, I it has happened before.
Yeah.
I've gotten a flat like within aweek of having it.
I I just yeah, because when didwe go get that car?
December.

SPEAKER_02 (14:14):
It was only December.

SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
Oh Lord.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (14:21):
Yeah, yeah.
I haven't even had it a year.
Yep.
And instead of because I had Iput I put a lot of money down on
it, which I could have just goneand bought a used car and not
had a car payment and had thesame fucking issue.
Yeah, and not and just not haveto make a car payment on top of

(14:43):
it.
Yep, yep.
But no, I was like, I'm gonnabuy, and it is it was used, but
it's only four years old.
I was like, I'm just gonna buy anewer car, and then I won't have
to worry about fixing it.
And ha ha ha.
Joke's on you.
It hasn't had air conditioningall summer.

SPEAKER_02 (15:00):
Oh, I forgot about that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (15:05):
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We're not doing it today becausewe're in a different space and
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Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03 (16:34):
Yes.
Did you see the um he's got abig announcement this weekend?

SPEAKER_02 (16:39):
He does.
I can't wait.
Me neither.

SPEAKER_03 (16:41):
I'm excited.

SPEAKER_02 (16:41):
Yep.
Um, all right.
So now on to fucking around andfinding out about the peanuts.
Heather hates the peanuts.
I hate the peanuts.
Don't come at me.
The peanuts are 75 years oldnow.
And I love the peanuts.
And it's something I've beenwanting to do.
So I went ahead and did it.

SPEAKER_03 (17:03):
Most people do.
I am in the in the minority thatis really.

SPEAKER_02 (17:07):
I still don't get it either because you would think
you would love Charlie Brown.
Like you would really relate toCharlie Brown.

SPEAKER_03 (17:13):
I have no idea why I hate Charlie Brown so much.
I just do.
I don't know.
I think it's Snoopy.
Honestly.
I mean a b a black cloud followshim around.
I think it's Snoopy.
It's Snoopy and PeppermintPatty.
What's wrong with Snoopy?
I hate him.
He's such an arrogant littlefucking dog.

(17:34):
Peppermint Patty's obnoxious, Iguess.
Yeah.
She's the one that takes thefootball away, right?
Mm-mm.
Oh.
Which one's the one that takesthe Lucy.
Oh, Lucy.
Okay.
Well then Lucy's the ass.
I think Peppermint Patty was thelesbian.
Yes.
I thought they were the same.
So Lucy wears the blue dress,right?

SPEAKER_02 (17:54):
Yeah, and has black hair.
Yeah.
Peppermint Patty.
I was red hair.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (17:57):
I was wrong.
It's Lucy, I don't like.
I do like um Linus is the stinkyone, right?

SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (18:04):
Oh.
That's Pig Pen.
Yes.
I know stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
See?
You said you weren't gonna knowanything.
Really?
Don't be.
All right, well, you're about toget learnt.
So I'm ready to look.
I'm ready to get on.
All right, my sources this weekcame from Britannica.com and
interestingfacts.com.
Um, so the peanuts turned 75.
Um, it was this week sometime.

(18:30):
I meant to look up the date.
It's probably in this scriptthat I wrote, but it's been a
long day.
Anyway, um so it was written byCharles Schultz.
He was born in uh November 26,1922, in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
And he died February 12th, 2000,uh in Santa Rosa, California.

(18:51):
Uh he was an American cartoonistwho created The Peanuts, one of
the most successful Americancomic strips of the mid-20th
century.
Schultz was the son of a barber.
He studied cartooning in an artcorrespondence school after
graduating in 1940 from highschool.
He served in the Army from 1943to 1945 and returned first as an

(19:14):
instructor with the art schooland then a freelance cartoonist
with the St.
Paul Pioneer Press and theSaturday Evening Post.
He created the peanut striporiginally entitled Little
Folks, with a little apostrophein the little.
Yeah, that's terrible.
Yeah.

(19:34):
Uh, in the 1950s, introducing agroup of three, four, and
five-year-old characters basedupon semi-autobiographical
experiences.
The main character is CharlieBrown, who represents a sort of
everyman, uh, a sensitive butbland and unremarkable child.
Schultz channeled the lonelinessthat he had experienced in his

(19:56):
army days and the frustrationsof everyday life into Charlie
Brown, who is often made thebutt of jokes.
One of Schultz's initial themesarose from the cruelty that
exists among children.
The character of Snoopy,Heather's favorite, arrogant, a
beagle hound with frustrateddreams of glory, is often

(20:17):
portrayed as being wiser thanthe children.
Other characters, includingSally, Charlie Brown's little
sister, the tyrannical andcontrary fuss budget Lucy.
That's the one I don't like.
Her younger brother Linus, whois not Pig Pen, not Pigpen, who
dragged his security blanketwherever he goes.

SPEAKER_03 (20:39):
The security blanket.

SPEAKER_02 (20:41):
Yeah.
Like much like your Winnie thePooh.

SPEAKER_03 (20:44):
So you and Linus had a lot in common.
I think that's probably the onlyreason I uh identified with.

SPEAKER_02 (20:52):
And Schroeder, who's obsessed with playing Beethoven
on his toy piano.
The Peanuts comic strip wasadapted to television and to
stage, and Schultz wrote thescreenplays for two
feature-length animated films.
He was co-author of CharlieBrown's Snoopy and Me in 1980
and the 3D communer computeranimated The Peanuts movie based

(21:16):
on his comic strips uh that wasreleased in 2015.
I did not ever watch that.
It looked too I don't like thatrealistic looking cartoon stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (21:27):
There's a name for that.
It's uh Uncanny and UncannyValley.
I think we've talked about thisbefore.
Oh yeah, where your brain can'tprocess it.
It can't.
Well, because our lizard brainis supposed to fear things that
look like us, just not quitelike us.

(21:47):
Yeah, so like if Neanderthalcame up behind us, they kind of
look like us, but not.
So our little brains are.

SPEAKER_02 (21:55):
I would definitely be scared if the Neanderthal
came up behind me.
I mean, yeah.
Especially if he had hisdinosaur with him.
Fuck you.
Anyway, in 1999, Schultz wasdiagnosed with colon cancer, and

(22:16):
he announced his intention toretire in order to conserve his
energies for his treatmentprogram.
Ironically, he died in his sleepthe night before his final comic
strip was published.
I did know that.
I did know that.
That's crazy.
Uh he died February 12th, 2000.
Um he let's see.
First published in 1947 underthe name Lil Folks, the strip

(22:39):
renamed Peanuts in 1950 featureda cast of children led by
Charlie Brown.
Schultz is a little bit.
On the surface, Peanuts did notdiffer radically from other
newspaper comics of its era.
The four-panel daily stripsfeatured a simple, almost spare
artistic style and routinelyconcluded with a joke of some
kind, often at Charlie Brown'sexpense.

(23:02):
The strength of the Peanuts layin the depth of its characters
and in Schultz's ability toconnect with his readers through
them.
The introspective everymanCharlie Brown stoically dealt
with life's misfortunes from akite-eating tree to a football
that oh is always pulled away amoment before he attempted to

(23:23):
kick it with a sigh, a goodgrief, or most emphatically
withdreat.
Lucy Van Pelt, his frequent hisfrequent tormentor, and the big
sister to his blanket totingfriend Linus, offered

(23:43):
psychiatric advice and presenteda steely exterior, but she could
not resist observing thathappiness is a warm puppy.
Snoopy, Charlie Brown's beagle,arrogant and pithy observations,
and spent his time engaging inimagined aerial battles with a
German World War I flying ace.

SPEAKER_03 (24:05):
Exactly, my issue.
Dogs don't think about that.

SPEAKER_02 (24:11):
It was crazy though that back then we were watching
cartoons with the red baronflying around in war.
Yeah.
And he fantasized himself as ajazz saxophonist named Joe Cool.

SPEAKER_03 (24:28):
That's it.
That's where it might be.
That one's annoying.
That's where my issue comes in.

SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
That's people's pro that's the people's fault,
though.
Stickers and shirts.

SPEAKER_03 (24:36):
I don't care whose fault anyway.
I don't like it.

SPEAKER_02 (24:41):
Okay.
The strip's other charactersincluded Schroeder, the
Beethoven-obsessed object ofLucy's desire, Peppermint Patty,
a freckled and frequentlybewildered tomboy who referred
to Charlie Brown as Chuck,Marcy, Peppermint Patty's
wisecracking sidekick, andWoodstock, a yellow bird who, in

(25:02):
spite of his inexpert flyingskills, accompanied Snoopy on
his many adventures.

SPEAKER_03 (25:08):
Can't stand Woodstock either.

SPEAKER_02 (25:10):
Yeah.
Again, like there was a time,what was it the 90s?
Yes.
Where it was everywhere.
Everything was at the Tasmaniandevil.
Everybody was getting tattoos.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Tweety Bird.
Oh, yeah, that too.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Uh at the time of Schultz'sdeath in 2000, mere hours before
his final Sunday strip waspublished, Peanuts was running

(25:32):
in more than 2,500 magazines inart newspapers in 75 countries,
with a readership that topped350 million.
In the early 21st century, salesof peanuts merchandise amounted
to a billion dollar a yearempire with products ranging
from stuffed animals to clothingto a popular line of greeting

(25:54):
cards.
So yeah, right there.
90s.

SPEAKER_03 (25:57):
Fucking everywhere.
Everywhere.
Everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 (26:02):
Snoopy was perhaps the most visible peanuts
character appearing as thecorporate mascot for American
insurance company MetLife andmaking uh appearances as a
massive balloon in New YorkCity's annual Macy's
Thanksgiving Day Parade.
Him and Woodstock, right?
Yeah.
It's so funny.
Every year I'm like, I wake upon Thanksgiving and I'm like,

(26:24):
oh, I'm gonna watch the Macy'sDay Parade.
And I turn it on.
I literally watch for like fiveminutes.
I'm like, I can't take thisanymore.

SPEAKER_03 (26:30):
Look, I don't even like watching parades in person.
I'm certainly not gonna watchone on TV.

SPEAKER_02 (26:35):
I have a nostalgia for parades because I was in
marching band from fifth gradethrough senior year.
I enjoyed being in parades.
I enjoyed taking my kids toparades when they were little
homecoming parades, things likethat.
But no, I'm not really into Iusually just really try to catch
the rockets on the Macy's DayParade.

SPEAKER_03 (26:56):
I mean, I guess I get that because I have uh an
affinity for the Mommer'sParade.
Yes, because your dad was amummer.
Yeah, and I will watch theMummer's Parade, but that's also
a different kind of thingbecause at the end there they do
like a whole thing.
So yeah.
I mean I guess they do at theThanksgiving Day parade too.

SPEAKER_02 (27:11):
So and they're all drunk as a skunk, which makes it
way more entertaining.

unknown (27:16):
Yes, they are.

SPEAKER_03 (27:18):
And we used to go when I was a kid, like little,
little before my sister.

SPEAKER_02 (27:24):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (27:24):
Yeah.
She ruined everything.
Everything.
Literally everything.

SPEAKER_02 (27:28):
I've never seen the mummers in person.

unknown (27:30):
I have.

SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
It probably would have been fun back then.
I can imagine it's not the same.

SPEAKER_03 (27:33):
My um, just as an aside, my dad's BFF is here, and
I bet when you go to leave, ifyou ask my dad to do the mummers
dance, he will, because I'mpretty sure they're fucking high
as kites.

SPEAKER_02 (27:44):
Well, when I came up, one of the garage doors was
open.
I was like, I bet I know whatthey're doing now.

SPEAKER_03 (27:49):
They've been out in the shed.
The shed.
When I got here, they've been inthe side.
They've been in the shed forlike I I've been here for like
three hours.
But he he he will do the mummersdance for you.
You hand him an umbrella.
Well, I don't know if I want tosee that.
If anybody obviously you guysmight not even know what a
mummer's parade is unless you'rein the Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (28:10):
Maybe you should explain that a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 (28:12):
Um, so the mummers are I'm not really, I don't
know.
They just always have existed.
They're like um kind of likeunion.
But let's it's kind of like uhunion crossed with like secret
club crossed with like there'sprobably some masons in there.

(28:35):
Yeah, like a like a and it's inPhiladelphia.

SPEAKER_02 (28:37):
I don't know if we mentioned that yet.

SPEAKER_03 (28:39):
It's strictly a Philadelphia thing.
And January 1st is the MummersDay Parade, and they spend the
entire year decorating thesecrazy ass floats and their
costumes and they're just crazycostumes, and they have
different categories.
There's the fancy category, andthen there's some other.
I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 (28:57):
I think there's a comical one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (28:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (28:59):
And they they march down Broad Street um every year
on January 1st, and they startpartying the night before, they
stay up all night.

SPEAKER_03 (29:09):
All night.
There's a there's a mummersstaging area where down by the
Mummers Museum, and then theyjust roam down, and back in the
day, you can't probably can't doit now because it's different,
but back in the day, they wouldwalk down Broad Street and
everybody would have because itwas New Year's Day, so the whole

(29:29):
strip of Broad Street, peoplewould have their doors open and
everybody had food, and youcould just walk in and out of
people's houses.
That sounds amazing, and it wasjust like a ginormous block
party because Broad Street isreally big.
So it was like you could justand the mummers would like be
walking down and they would juststop, and then people would give
them alcohol because it was socold, and and then so then they

(29:53):
they do a mummer strut and theyhave an umbrella and they do
this dance with the umbrellaanyhow.

SPEAKER_02 (30:00):
And back in the day it was only men, right?
Yes.
Even though the outfits are veryflamboyant.

SPEAKER_03 (30:04):
Very, yes, but it was only men.
And my dad, because he belongedto one of the local high school,
he played in the local highschool band, um, he would get
recruited every year to do it.
And I'm gonna put this in airquotes because I think it's full
of shit.
But he said that he had to putthey would have to dump the

(30:25):
alcohol in the saxophone for theread because it would freeze up.
And I was like, I don't believeyou, even for a millisecond.

SPEAKER_02 (30:32):
Right.
I played the saxophone and Imarched in many uh cold weather
um parades, yes, that is nottrue.
I didn't think so.

SPEAKER_03 (30:41):
So yeah, they would they would just um anyway, yeah.
They're very if if you ever getif you're curious, I'm sure you
can find it on YouTube.
You can watch Mummer's Paradesand they have a there's a whole
uh I forget what the there's acertain song they play,
Something Slipper.
Um I can't remember anyway.

(31:03):
It's a it's a Philadelphiathing.

SPEAKER_02 (31:05):
It is, and it's very cool.
And I grew up in Delaware, but Istill of course need a mummer's
tickets.

SPEAKER_03 (31:10):
It's on the TV over here, all around here, yeah.
And then also a couple of timeswhen we had season tickets to
the Eagles, there would be anEagles game, and most of these
guys are have season tickets tothe Eagles.
And they would let them in withtheir umbrellas, and I was like,
why?
Why are you letting them in withtheir little umbrellas?

(31:32):
That's hilarious because you arenot allowed to take an umbrella
in a stadium.
But they would let them in withtheir little umbrellas and you
would see them pop them.
I would have to stop them.

unknown (31:40):
That's true.

SPEAKER_03 (31:41):
And this the security were probably all
mummers anyway.
Uh-huh.
And then you'd see them, theywould pop their little, they
would, because they would belike, Oh, welcome, whatever
mummers, and then they would poptheir little umbrellas open.
And then everybody behind themcouldn't see anything.
It's really annoying.
Anyway, that check it outsometime.
You might want to, if you're ifyou're interested in seeing what

(32:02):
mummers are.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (32:04):
Um, all right, so the Peanx characters uh appeared
in numerous television specials,including A Charlie Brown
Christmas, one of my favorites.
That one star from 1965.
Uh It's a great pumpkin, CharlieBrown.
Boom.
Came out in 1966.

(32:25):
Um, as well as a short-livedtelevision series, The Charlie
Brown and Snoopy Show, in 1983to 1985, which I do not
remember.
Um they were the subject of thestage musical You're a Good Man
Charlie Brown in 1967, and therewas a television adaptation in

(32:45):
1973 and 1985.
Um over the comic strips 50-yearrun, Schultz refused to allow
anyone else to draw or writepeanuts, and the collected body
of work amounting to more than18,000 strips was thought to be
the longest story ever told by asingle person.

SPEAKER_03 (33:06):
That is interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (33:07):
Yeah.
Uh Snoopy is an asshole.
The white-spotted beagle, no,spotted white beagle.
Let me get that right.
He had black spots, uh, with arich fantasy life, the pet dog
of the hapless character uhCharlie Brown, Snoopy became one
of the most iconic and belovedcharacters in the history of

(33:28):
comics.
Although Charlie Brown wasobstinately the main character
on uh Charles Schultz'slong-running strip, more often
than not, his dog stole theshow.
The strip began in 1950, andbefore that decade was over,
Snoopy had begun walking on twofeet and communicating with
readers through cartoons, whichwere thought bubbles.

(33:50):
Uh although the other charactersin the strip were not privy to
Snoopy's thoughts, they oftenspoke to him as if he were human
and even made him a star playeron their baseball team.

SPEAKER_03 (34:00):
That's what I'm trying to say.
I mean, we all talk to our petslike they're humans.
Right.
I get that.
You know what it is?
I'm gonna tell you what it is.
Because this is this is a thisis how I know I probably have
some autism hiding in theresomewhere.
Okay.
Undiagnosed.
Although, I mean, let's let's behonest.
I'm way on the spectrum.

(34:22):
I'm not just a little bit, Idon't even have just a touch of
the tism.
I'm like fully on there.
Um I think it's because I cannotstand things out of the realm of
reality.

SPEAKER_05 (34:35):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (34:36):
Except what but here's what's weird science
fiction.
I don't have a problem withscience fiction like Star Trek.
Um that's clearly not real, butI guess it could be.
But the fact that Snoopy isgonna walk on two feet and fly
planes, yeah, and have thoughtbubbles and fly planes is just
used to drive me insane when mysister would color and she would

(34:56):
like, she did it on fuckingpurpose.
She would like color an elephantlike green.
No, you can't.
Elephants are gray.

SPEAKER_02 (35:07):
I was always pretty anal retentive about keeping my
coloring realistic.
Realistic.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (35:11):
You can't color a purple.
No.
No.
They are grey.
I mean, I'll give you pink.
Yeah, because there's the pinkelephant.
Yeah.
But that's another thing.
Like, I like Winnie the Pooh.
Who knows what the hell's wrongwith that?

SPEAKER_02 (35:25):
We'll just like this one day.

SPEAKER_03 (35:28):
We're gonna need more than an hour.

SPEAKER_02 (35:32):
We'll do a whole month on it.
We might have to.
Okay.
Lying on the roof of hisdoghouse, Snoopy spent much of
his time daydreaming.
In one of his recurring flightsof fancy, he was a World War I
flying ace, who, sportingpilot's goggles, and a flowing
red scarf with his doghousetransformed into a fighter
plane, waged fierce aerialbattles against his nemesis, the

(35:53):
Red Baron.
This rivalry was the subject ofa pair of popular novelty songs
by the American rock group TheRoyal Guardsmen in the
mid-1960s.
I remember that song.
I do not.
You'd know it if you heard it.
Maybe.
Snoopy's other alter egosincluded the jazz saxophonist

(36:15):
Joe Cole and a soldier in theFrench Foreign Legion.
Uh Woodstock, a small yellowbird whose exact species was
never identified by Schultz, wasintroduced in the late 1960s and
soon became a sidekick forSnoopy, accompanying him on his
many adventures.

SPEAKER_03 (36:33):
I would think it's the same kind of bird as Tweety
Bird, right?
They look similar, right?
Don't they?

SPEAKER_02 (36:39):
Yeah.
Um I can't remember quite what Ican't do, but I don't.
I mean, they're both yellow.
Um I guess I never really eventhought.
I mean, Tweety Bird's reallyweird because his head's bigger
than his body.
Right.
And that's just not a birdthing.
I'm gonna look up woods.
They would just fall over.
They would dive bomb to theground when they were trying to

(37:00):
fly.
But Tweety, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (37:06):
Let me I'm looking.

SPEAKER_02 (37:08):
All right, while you look, I'm gonna talk about Space
Beagle.
You go ahead.
Uh Space Beagle was an astronautSnoopy, a balloon flying or
floating down Sixth Avenue inthe Macy's Thanksgiving Day
Parade, New York City, November25th, 2021.
Since 1968, Snoopy in variousguises, including an astronaut,

(37:32):
has been a regularly featuredballoon character at the annual
Macy's Day Thanksgiving Parade,and he has appeared in more
Macy's Thanksgiving Day paradesthan any other character.

SPEAKER_01 (37:42):
Not more than Santa Claus.
I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_03 (37:47):
I guess not.
Alright, did you find out whatkind of bird it was?
Tweety bird is a canary.
But I guess what he's asked isno.

SPEAKER_02 (38:00):
Oh Tweety's a canary.
Tweety is a canary.
Well it says Schultz never it'sa oh no.
I guess if Schultz didn't saythen he's he's what's the word?
A bird.
A bird.

SPEAKER_03 (38:17):
Anonymous word.

SPEAKER_02 (38:18):
A bird.
Oh, like all one word though.
A bird.
A bird.
Um Snoopy was prominentlyfeatured in numerous Peanuts
animated television specials andmovies, including Snoopy Come
Home in 1972, uh Broadwaymusical You're a Good Man,

(38:38):
Charlie Brown, as I mentionedbefore, in 1967, and the Peanuts
movie 2015, which I neverwatched.
Um in the 1960s, the Snoopycharacter became a mascot for
the National Aeronautics andSpace Administration, aka NASA.
See?

(38:59):
Another reason you should likehim.

SPEAKER_03 (39:00):
I must have blocked that part out because I don't
recall that.

SPEAKER_02 (39:03):
I don't remember that either.
You probably did block it out.
I'm sure.
The hapless Charlie Brown, whowas usually called by both
names, though Peppermint Pattyinvariably called him Chuck, and
the bespeckled Marcy called himCharles, was an indecisive,
likable, easily embarrassedelementary schoolboy.

(39:24):
Uh Schultz considered him to behis alter ego.
He represented a youthfuleveryman.
He was often tormented by Lucy,always dusted himself off, and
tried again after repeatedfailures.
That's why you don't relate tohim.
Fuck that, dusting yourself off.
Just go home and sit on thecouch.
I'm just not good at dustingmyself off.

(39:47):
And he never worked up thecourage to speak to the little
red-haired girl for whom hepined.
While expecting the worst, hehoped for the best.
There it is.

SPEAKER_03 (40:00):
I just expect the worst.

SPEAKER_02 (40:02):
And hope for the worst.
And it always happens, so uh asevidenced by his role as the
manager of a perenniallyunderperforming baseball team.
Other running gags, includingCharlie Brown's attempts to fly
a kite, which were oftenfrustrated by a kite-eating
tree, which is his own fault.

SPEAKER_03 (40:23):
You don't fly a kite that close to the tree.
Well, I don't like kites tobegin with.
I'm not a fan.
I hate them.
They stress me out.
Really?
Yes.
Oh my god, I love flying kites.
I can't I can't stand them.
It's my dad's fault 100%.
Oh yeah.
He would like make them go upreally, really high and then
hand them to me.
And that's too much pressure fora little kid.
That is a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(40:44):
Like the upper atmosphere.

SPEAKER_02 (40:47):
So I don't think it's a good one.

SPEAKER_03 (40:50):
Yeah, I don't.
I don't I don't do kites.

SPEAKER_02 (40:52):
That's another thing I miss doing with my kids.
We used to go to the park and gokite flying.

SPEAKER_03 (40:56):
I think I went with you one time and it stressed me
out.
The ones they have up on theboardwalk, those big ones that
like dive and cut.
I hate that shit.
I hate it.

SPEAKER_02 (41:03):
I don't need all that fancy stuff.
Just give me the cheap dollarstore plastic and the two
plastic things and send it up.
Um let's see.
In spite of these setbacks, heboasted occasional victories,
such as when he triumphed over aneighborhood bully in a game of
marbles.
Ooh, look at you, Charlie Brown.

SPEAKER_03 (41:25):
I'm trying to triumph too by making this damn
podcast.
You people will not cooperate.

SPEAKER_02 (41:31):
Maybe you need to go play some marbles in the street
with somebody.

SPEAKER_03 (41:33):
I don't know how to play marbles.
My mom tried to teach me, but Idon't I don't know marbles.

SPEAKER_02 (41:38):
I know Jack's.
I know Jack's.

SPEAKER_03 (41:41):
Did you see my they've got um backgamment over
here?
I fucking love back gamment.
There's two separate boardshere.

SPEAKER_01 (41:47):
I also like what's the other one that kind of looks
like it.
Um starts with a C.
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (41:54):
Yeah.
I was gonna say baccarat, butthat's not that's a gambling
game.
You're thinking of casinos.

SPEAKER_02 (42:01):
Shoot.
What is it?
Oh well.
Um when Schultz first came upwith the idea for a comic strip
that revolved around a group ofyoung neighborhood kids in 1947,
he called the weekly panelcartoon Little Folks, which we
mentioned before.
Uh at the time he wasillustrating the comic strip for
his hometown newspaper.

(42:22):
Uh, but when he brought the ideato the United States Syndicate
in 1950, he was asked to changethe name, given possible
copyright issues with adifferent strip called Little
Folks.
Ooh, scandal.
Copyright.
Schultz suggested Charlie Brownor good old Charlie Brown, but

(42:43):
the syndicate decided on adifferent name entirely,
peanuts.
After the children-only audiencesection of the Howdy Duty show,
which was referred to as thePeanut Gallery.
I did know that.
While Schultz may not have beenaware, the phrase had racist
origins in the 19th century.

(43:05):
Get out.
I think we talked about that,didn't we?
I think so.
Uh in the Jimmy Carter episode.

SPEAKER_03 (43:13):
It feels familiar.
You should listen to the JimmyCarter episode.

SPEAKER_02 (43:16):
Yeah, and see if we talked about it.

SPEAKER_03 (43:17):
What would Jimmy do?

SPEAKER_02 (43:19):
It's a good one.
It is a good one.
Uh Schultz wasn't exactly a fanof the new name.
He thought it made the stripsound insignificant.
He once said in an interviewthat he had sometimes rebelled
and submitted the comic withouta title.
Ultimately, though, Schultz andthe Syndicate reached a
compromise.
They would use the name Peanutsand run the subtitle Charlie

(43:40):
Brown and His Gang on Sundays.
That sounds like way too muchwork.
Have that be the outcome.
Yep.
So I don't know if you had thisbut knew this, but Snoopy came
from a litter and he had fivesiblings.
Were they all arrogant?
Let's find out.
Okay.

(44:00):
Uh so Charlie Brown's belovedBeagle, modeled after Schultz's
own pup Spike, is one of kind.
Over the years, he proved to beCharlie Brown's best friend and
confidant, an active dreamer,and an art aficionado whose
doghouse is supposedly adornedwith works by Vincent Van Gogh
and Andrew Weith.
But Snoopy didn't start out asan only puppy.

(44:24):
Before Charlie Brown bought himfrom the Daisy Hill puppy farm,
Snoopy had five siblings whoWell, that's his problem right
there.

SPEAKER_03 (44:33):
It's from a puppy farm.
Yeah.
A puppy mill.
A puppy mill baby.

SPEAKER_02 (44:40):
Um all five siblings had made appearances throughout
the years.
Spike, who wears a hat, has amustache, and lives in the
desert.
He was funny.
I like Spike.
Uh outside of Needles,California.
I do not recall any of them.
You don't remember Spike?
Nope.
He was cute.
Um Belle, who is Snoopy's onlysister, had an unnamed teenage

(45:03):
son.
Scandalous.
Was it a bastard puppy?
Uh Marbles, who is oftenreferred to as the smart one in
the family.
With the name like Marbles?

SPEAKER_03 (45:19):
I would think not.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (45:20):
And then Olaf, the misfit of the family.
Hold on.

SPEAKER_03 (45:25):
He's a snowman.
Can't fool me.

SPEAKER_02 (45:29):
And Andy, who is always drawn with fuzzy fur and
only appears in strips alongsideOlaf.

SPEAKER_03 (45:36):
Andy?

SPEAKER_02 (45:37):
Andy.

SPEAKER_03 (45:38):
Okay.
Marbles, Olaf.
Andy.
Andy.
Spike.
Spike.
That one.

SPEAKER_02 (45:45):
I don't know about that.
Then the little floozy, whateverher name was.
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Although adults barely featurein the peanuts world that
Schultz created, Charlie Brown'sparents are two who are given

(46:47):
the tiniest semblance ofpersonalities in the comic
strip.
And by personalities we meandescriptions.
Charlie Brown's mother is ahousewife and is one of the only
characters that calls himCharlie.
And his dad is a barber, uh,just like Schultz's real life
dad.
Charlie Brown's dad doesn'tactually appear in the strip,

(47:08):
but he's referenced often.
Oh, I think we're in my funfacts.
I'm excited.
I didn't even realize that.
I love fun facts.
I think we've been in them for awhile now.
I'm just so tired.
I don't even know.
She's very tired.
I am.
I literally was like getting onmeetings on my work phone while
I was stationary because I knewI had to leave before the end of

(47:30):
the meeting, and then I wouldlisten to the meeting in the car
or driving to another meeting.
Like that was my day today.
That sounds awful.

SPEAKER_03 (47:37):
That is way too much for me.
That's the best part of my jobis I spend the whole day by
myself in a little car.
I have two people all day.
I mean, I do because they comeup to me, but for the most part,
the best part about beingespecially a full-time what they
call regular is you're basicallyyour own boss.

(48:00):
Like you just have to go andcome back.

SPEAKER_02 (48:05):
I went to a breakfast that one of the local
colleges puts on every year forum collaborators, um colleagues,
things like that.
I went and found a nice table bymyself in the corner, went and
got my coffee and my orangejuice and my breakfast.

(48:25):
And then two deans come up,deans of the school, and sit
with me and make me talk.
I know.
I hate that.
I hate it too.

SPEAKER_03 (48:39):
I don't mind I what I don't mind people in
sometimes, but when it's forcedlike that.
Yeah.
But clearly I'm away fromeverybody for reason.

SPEAKER_02 (48:50):
And I was kind of like in the corner hidden
because I had to leave thatearly to get to a meeting.
Right.
And I just kind of wanted toslip out, and now I have two
really important people from theschool sitting with me, and now
I look like an asshole duckingout, but gotta go, kids.

unknown (49:05):
Thanks.

SPEAKER_02 (49:06):
Hey, teeth and run.
Cool story, bro.
All right, so the littlered-haired girl who was on
Charlie Brown and the oneCharlie Brown had a um is it
Ariel?
No, she didn't have a name.
So you can name her Ariel ifyou'd like.

SPEAKER_03 (49:22):
She's a little mermaid.

SPEAKER_02 (49:23):
And she was never seen in the comic.
Speaking of characters who nevershow their faces, Charlie
Brown's eternal crush, thelittle red-haired girl, is
mentioned frequently, but neveractually appears in any of
Schultz's original comic strips,though she did make an
appearance in some later TVspecials.
I remember on the TV specials.
I wonder if she was a secretcrush of Schultz's.

SPEAKER_03 (49:45):
Are we sure he wasn't schizophrenic?

SPEAKER_01 (49:49):
Uh Charlie Brown?
Maybe none of this is real.
I thought you meant Schultz.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe.
Maybe Schultz.
Yeah.
Maybe this was the same.
How come dogs talk to you?

SPEAKER_02 (50:00):
Just saying.
Uh, the closest readers haveever come to seeing Little
Red-haired girl in print was insilhouette in one of Schultz's
daily strips in 1998.
And she was never given a name.
According to a 2015 feature inthe week, there was a good
reason for that.
She was based on a real woman.

(50:21):
Oh, duh.
There we go.
Schultz stated the red-headedDonna Mae Johnson prior to
Peanut success.
He even proposed, but she turnedhim down and married someone
else shortly after, because hewas obsessed about writing about
three and four-year-olds.
Again, also creepy.
Schultz admittedly pined for herfor years after, and in 1961, he

(50:46):
created the mysterious littlered-haired girl for Charlie
Brown, possibly as a symbol ofyoung, unrequivited love.
This was something I neverrealized because Linus talks a
lot in the cartoons.
Um, but he didn't speak for thefirst two years of the comic
strip.

SPEAKER_03 (51:04):
I didn't think he did.
I thought he was the one henever talked.
I of I feel like that's was thething.
Pig pen doesn't talk.
God damn it.

SPEAKER_02 (51:13):
Yes.
Linus is the one in theChristmas one that the spotlight
comes down on him in the stageand he recites the church thing.

SPEAKER_01 (51:19):
Stupid speech.

SPEAKER_02 (51:20):
Yeah, it is a really beautiful moment, even though
it's stupid.

SPEAKER_01 (51:23):
Not my thing.

SPEAKER_02 (51:28):
I'm getting the exact reaction out of you I
expected from this script.
It's awesome.
Uh many of Schultz's charactersrepresent a part of his
personality, and Linus is nodifferent.
The off-nervous younger brotherof Bossy Lucy.
Linus actually didn't say hisfirst word until 1954, two years
after he was introduced into thecomic strip.

(51:49):
Schultz was has referred toLinus as a manifestation of his
serious side, the houseintellectual, bright,
well-informed.
Excuse me.
That's a lot to say.
Which may be why he said Linushas such feelings of insecurity.
And while Linus's trademark blueblanket didn't exactly spark the

(52:11):
term security blanket, it's hardnot to link the two in our
cultural understanding of what asecurity blanket is these days.
Why wouldn't it come from that?
I don't know.
Like where else would it comefrom?
I mean, I mean, I guess maybe awar or something somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 (52:29):
Or I don't know.
I don't know.
Jessica had a blanket.
Oh, my sister had a blanket.
A blanket.
I had a kitty.
I had a poo.
Got wound up.
Pooh.
If she had a blanket, it wassilky, and she would run her
fingers through uh run itthrough her fingers until it was
a teeny tiny little square.

SPEAKER_02 (52:52):
That doesn't sound like anxiety at all.
That's the only way she could goto sleep.
This was something that I didn'tknow, and now that I know it, I
can unhear it.
But they used a trombone forCharlie Brown's teacher's voice.
I always just assumed it wassomebody saying wah wah wah wah.
Um in the original comic strip,Charlie Brown and his friends

(53:14):
are the focal point, whileteachers and other adults are
relegated to the backdrop.
But when the popular comic stripwas made into an animated
series, producers knew they'dneed to find some way to create
a voice for adults in a way thatstill paid homage to Schultz's
wishes to leave adults out ofthe main picture.
Composer Vince Giraldi, whoscored all of the early

(53:37):
classics, including a CharlieBrown Christmas and it's a great
pumpkin Charlie Brown, came upwith the solution.
Use a trombone with a mute inthe bell to stand in for any
adult dialogue.
The result was what's now widelyreferred to as the walt won't
voice.

(53:58):
Um Peanuts was the first majorcomic strip to feature a
minority character.
Yay for that.
Schultz was intentional about alot of things when it came to
how he framed his famous comicstrip, but most especially when
it came to race.
The majority of the Peanuts ganghad always been white, mostly

(54:19):
because the cartoonists feltunsure as to whether it was his
place to include minorityminority minority characters in
his storyline.
And that's fair.

SPEAKER_03 (54:28):
I I Yes, because you don't want to offend.
You don't want to go the wrongway on that one.

SPEAKER_02 (54:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:36):
Um, but things changed in 1968 following the
assassination of Dr.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Schultz received a letter from awoman asking him to add an
African-American character tothe comic.
And three months later, in July1968, Franklin made his comic
strip debut picking up andreturning a beach ball that
Charlie Brown had lost.

SPEAKER_03 (54:57):
You know, and maybe he learned something from Dr.
Seuss too.
Wish you can hear more aboutthat.
And how Dr.
Seuss is problematic.
And I think the episode is I donot like this.
I do not like this growing upscam.

SPEAKER_02 (55:11):
I do not like it.

SPEAKER_03 (55:13):
So check that out if you want to hear.
But maybe he did, maybe helearned a lesson.
That that might have been why,because Dr.
Seuss kind of went a little bitoff on me.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (55:24):
Yeah, I get that.
Yeah.
Um, especially back then.
Yeah.
Um, critics have noted thatFranklin is more nondescript
than his white counterparts.
But Schultz's longtime friendand fellow cartoonist Rob
Armstrong once said that hethought Schultz played it
smartly with Franklin.
He was always very thoughtful inhow he treated his characters.

(55:46):
Uh Armstrong told NPR in 2018.
And in fact, Schultz actuallydedicated Franklin's last name
to Armstrong after a pairdeveloped after the pair
developed a friendship thatlasted until Schultz's death in
2000.
Armstrong is the creator ofJumpstart, one of the most
widely syndicated black comicstrips ever.

(56:08):
Yeah.
Uh Charles Schultz once killedoff a character because she was
so unpopular with the readers.

SPEAKER_03 (56:16):
He should have killed off Snoopy.

SPEAKER_01 (56:18):
And Lucy.

SPEAKER_02 (56:19):
And Lucy.

SPEAKER_03 (56:21):
Taking line of the stuff.
And the whole rest of them justblow the town up.
Stinky pig pen.

SPEAKER_02 (56:27):
In November 1954, Schultz introduced a new female
character to the peanut strip,Charlotte Braun, a loud.
A loud brash character who wasmeant to be the counterpart to
bubbly, soft spoken CharlieBrown.

(56:50):
Uh, it turned out, though, thatreaders weren't ready for an
opinionated female character.
No, I'd readers still aren'tready for that shit.
No.
And largely disliked Charlotte'spresence on the page.
Damn her for being a strongfemale.
She made a total of 10appearances in subsequent comic

(57:12):
strips and then quietlydisappeared without an
explanation.
Um yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:20):
It's a little Ava Braunish.

SPEAKER_02 (57:23):
Yeah, I didn't feel real good about that.
No.
Because, you know, Lucy, she wasshe spoke out, but she was a
bitch, so you could just relateher to your bitchy wife and your
bitchy mom.
And just a sassy strong womanwho needs it.

unknown (57:43):
God.

SPEAKER_03 (57:44):
Ruining everything.

SPEAKER_02 (57:48):
Some 45 years later, however.

SPEAKER_03 (57:50):
Wanting the rights and all that.
Want a boat.

SPEAKER_02 (57:54):
Control of your body.
Come on.
Crazy.
Don't be ridiculous.
Um, some 45 years later,however, following Schultz's
death, a letter he had writtento a disgruntled fan about
Charlotte Braun was unearthed.
In it he wrote, perhapsjokingly, possibly not, that the
reader and her friends will havethe death of an innocent child

(58:14):
on your conscience.
Are you prepared to accept suchresponsibility?
Oh my god, there is so muchscandal in the peanuts.
Uh, he ended the letter with adrawing of Charlotte with an axe
in her head.

(58:34):
You like him a little betternow?
Yeah.
Where's that?

SPEAKER_03 (58:38):
I want to see that one.

SPEAKER_02 (58:39):
The well, it's in the Library of Congress.
I won't I will go there.
Yep, the original letter isthere now.
Right now.
Don't go there right now.
We gotta finish.
I don't want to go over thatbridge.
In your car.
And you want to have a car, it'sa whole thing.
Uh as I mentioned before, um,the final strip ran the day

(58:59):
after Schultz's death.
Uh, he was a notoriously hardworker and was rumored to have
taken only one real vacation inhis career.
Uh, reportedly, the only timepeanut strips were ever
republished during his lifetimewere when United Features
ordered him to take five weeksoff around his 75th birthday.

(59:22):
Uh, it was perhaps fitting thenthat when he died of colon
cancer two years later, it wasjust one day before his last
original strip ran.
So he never missed a deadline.
Well, that's nice.
It is a very romantic um way todie.

unknown (59:38):
Okay.
I think I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (59:44):
I'll let you know when I'm gonna do it.
Probably just thinking of TaylorSwift's song actually romantic,
but you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (59:50):
You know, did you get the thing I sent you about I
don't know if I did send you,about how you have to have a
word so that when one of us diesand we come back, we know this
does or we talk to a psychic.
We have a secret word.
Mm-hmm.
So that when they're like, Oh,I'm talking to you, and then you
can be like, What's the word?
Mm-hmm.
We can't tell you people now,but we'll make it up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:09):
Yeah.
And we'll never tell you, butbecause then you might be a
psychic listener.
But we're definitely not tellingyou now because we don't know
what it is.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:15):
We don't know what it is.
Peanuts comic strips are nolonger drawn.
Unlike many other comic strips,such as Gasoline Alley, Blondie,
and Beetle Bailey.
I always like Beetle Bailey.
Um, which have brought on newartists to write or draw the
cartoons after the originalcreator's death or retirement.

(01:00:37):
Peanuts ended with Schultz'sdeath in 2000.
In December of the previousyear, Schultz had announced that
he would be ending Peanuts'nearly 50-year run.
His final daily strip ran inJanuary 2000, and the final
Sunday comic ran on February13th, 2000.
Schultz used that strip as afarewell letter.
Unfortunately, I am no longerable to maintain the schedule

(01:01:00):
demanded by a daily comic strip.
My family does not wish peanutsto be continued by anyone else.
Therefore, I am announcing myretirement.
Charlie Brown, Snoopy, Linus,Lucy, how can I ever forget
them?
To this day, uh there have beenno new strips released, and new

(01:01:21):
animated specials must be basedon storylines, themes, and
dialogue that already existwithin the strip's 50-year
history.
And lastly, there's a peanutsdocumentary that never aired.
I wonder why.

(01:01:48):
A variety show sponsored by FordMotors.
Melendez would later form hisown company, Bill Melendez Per
Productions, and he was hername.
Yeah, man.
Thinking out of the box there.
And he was largely responsiblefor animating and directing all
subsequent peanuts televisionspecials and movies, with one
exception.

(01:02:09):
In 1963, Lee Mendelson, wholater produced nearly all of
Melendez's work, produced adocumentary about the popular
comic strip in collaborationwith Schultz himself.
The finished product, a boynamed Charlie Brown, not to be
confused with theabove-mentioned Oscar nominee of
the same name, never aired onTV.

(01:02:31):
It is, however, available on DVDexclusively in the Schultz
Museum store.
Merch.
So if you are dying for moreinformation, I'm not on the
peanuts, you need to head yourhappy ass over to the Schultz
Museum store.

unknown (01:02:50):
Wherever that is.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:52):
I don't know why.
I was never into like newspapercomics anyway.
Like the far side, okay, becausethat's weird, but I always loved
comics.
Never ended up.
But I was I never likedeverything.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:04):
But you probably didn't have I didn't have fun.
You probably didn't havenewspapers around you much as a
small child.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:11):
Uh my grandfather and I used to do the um the word
search every Sunday.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I like the crossword puzzle.
I like the crossword puzzle.
But yeah, as a tiny kid, wewould do the word search in the
um Philadelphia Inquirer.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:29):
So you never read Garfield or Um Marmaduke or
Beatles?

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:36):
I mean, I've I've I've seen them.
You know them all.
I know them.
Right.
And I've read, you know, hereand there, but I no.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:43):
I had ones I liked and ones I didn't like.
I mean, and I read them for awhile.
I remember one called For Betteror Worse came out.
Um maybe when I was a teen.
I never cared much about it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:53):
What was the one with the Viking?
Oh.
I want to say Horton here's a huwho, but that's Dr.
Speaker.
Something the terrible.
I I yeah.
Not Ivan the Terrible.
That's something different.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:09):
Um tired.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:14):
I know.
Oh well.
Yeah.
But do us a favor and go look itup and send us an email and let
us know what it is.
Because I don't feel likegoogling it right now.
Our thumbs are tired.
I don't feel like googling.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:25):
Yeah, I don't I just I I don't know.
I I I was a weird kid.
I know.
Shocker.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:31):
But kid?

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:32):
Yeah.
I don't think I ever wasactually a child, so no.
Um because I didn't really.
I mean, I guess I I did likecartoons.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's weird.
Just never was into the comicbook.
Never did comic book.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:48):
I mean you're into a lot of things, and you're into a
lot of things.
I know, and you're into a lot ofeclectic things.
You've just you've never beenreally mainstream, I guess.
You didn't like the boring stuffeverybody else liked.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:01):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess.
You've always been cooler thanme.
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:08):
Even before we knew each other.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:10):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:11):
Yeah, you were definitely cooler than I've
been.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:13):
Always just been a little weirdo.
Um I know, because I wanna whenI was watching, what was that?
My one of my favorite podcastsis my favorite murder, and they
always say, like, what was yourfirst introduction into true
crime?
And so they have announced thatthe new episode of Monster is on
Lizzie Borden.

(01:05:34):
Oh I'm worried.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:37):
Well, yeah, now.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:40):
Um, I was always obsessed with Lizzie Borden.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:43):
You know you can stay in her house, right?

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:45):
I think I knew that, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:47):
Yeah, they turned it into a BNB.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:49):
I remember the funny thing, I I remember being
obsessed with Lizzie Borden at avery young age, and the the fact
that her mom made her eat foodwith uh maggots in it.
Yeah, like that always freakedme out.
Of course, I always knew therhyme.
Lizzie Borden took an axe andgave her father 40 wax.

(01:06:09):
And the job was nicely done, shegave her mother 40 win.
Um, and then I remember when Iwas 18, I went to New Orleans
with my mom and a few of myfriends, and one night we were
back in the hotel after a longday and we watched the Lizzie
Borden movie, and this was in1991, so it was not a very good
one.
Uh-huh.
But yeah, she was probably myfirst obsession with crime too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:33):
I was thinking about it and I was like, I can't.
I it has to be Lizzie Borden.
Yeah, I'm trying to think.
Yeah, I mean, I imagine becauseof the rhyme.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:46):
Well, and the 70s were a hot time for serial
killers.
Lots of young girls hitchhiking.
I mean, they it was like killingfish in a barrel.
It really was.
It was the it was the uh thegolden age.
There were no camera, there wasno internet, there was no, it
was just, hey, you need a ride?
Yeah, yeah.

(01:07:07):
And that was that.
What a time to be on the halfthe time they were runaways, so
nobody knew where they werewhere they were.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:14):
Yeah.
I bet serial killers these daysare like, man, they had a good
man, they had a good run whenthey were now.
People lock their house.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:24):
Ring doorbells everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:27):
So rude.
So much harder now.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:29):
They just have made it so difficult for serial
killers to do it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:32):
Yeah, we really have.
I mean it's not like they'vegone away.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:36):
You know, now they have to be spree killers.
Yeah.
They have to do it all in once,and they don't care for that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:41):
I still think if I were to do it even these days, I
think catching the traincross-country.
Um and I'm talking like theboxcar trains that are
transporting like a hobo.
Yeah.
You do it all hobo-y.
Yeah.
Because that's the key.
You stop somewhere where nobodyknows you, you kill somebody you
don't know, yeah, and you getthe fuck out of town.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:00):
You definitely have to do it anonymous.
You can't.
Everybody you know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:04):
Yeah.

unknown (01:08:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:06):
And I don't think my DNA is in the database.
So my fingerprints are.
My fingerprints definitely are.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:12):
My DNA is in the in the system.
Why?
For the postdoc?
I didn't know.
I did a um uh 23andme, not23andme, ancestry.
So I'm in the Mormons.
That's why I never have my DNA.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:25):
That's why I never did that shit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:26):
I don't know what my I did it because I wanted to
know if my parents were my realparents.
Turns out they are.
Damn it.
I know.
I am not supposed to be aprincess somewhere.
I know.
It's a very disappointing.
I mean, I know I am the spittingimage of my mother, but you
know, yeah.
There's still a chance.

(01:08:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:48):
And I mean, that whole ancestry thing, like my
family, the history of my familyis fucking crazy enough.
Like, I blew my polar daughter'smind because she's now an adult.
So there's like things.
I mean, this is talk about amonth's worth of podcasts to
talk about it.

(01:09:08):
But there were things that Ijust didn't tell her as a kid
that were part of my history,and it kind of came up recently,
and she was like, wait, what?
It's yeah, it's crazy.
If you live in Delaware, it's aDelaware thing for sure.
Yeah.
But I mean, I'm not in for it oranything.

(01:09:31):
Please, if anyone's thinkingit's nothing, it it it teeters
on it, then it's not not ahundred percent.
But um yeah, I mean my life islike crazy enough.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:47):
It's yeah, you know, you uh of course, I guess any of
us can look back and be like,wow, that was especially people
of our generation because thatwhole Glatchke thing was just
inside.
But not all of us.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:02):
Like there are people that had very normal
childhoods, and I used to envythem.
I don't envy them now because Ifeel like that's a um I don't
want to be jealous of peoplebecause they had good parents.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:14):
Right.
But my mom always used to sayWell, you had great parents.
You could some people are gonnahave oh uh always some people
are always gonna have more thanyou, and some people are always
gonna have less than you.
Yes.
Forever.
Yes, no matter where you are inlife.
Yes, unless you're Elon Musk.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:34):
Your mom said that?
Yeah, that's pretty wild.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:36):
Pre-brain injury.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:37):
Pretty wild.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:38):
That's she used to go hard on that one when you
would complain about stuff.
There are people who have morethan you, and there are people
who have less than you.
Yeah.
Always.
Unless you're Elon Musk.
She didn't put that part in, butI did.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:50):
She probably made that up after your little
princess sister was born and washaving a temper tantrum right
now because she was somethingshe wanted.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:58):
She was such a brat.
Can't even go into her.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:02):
Yeah, but she grew up to be a pretty awesome so I
guess.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:06):
This episode drops on my cousin's birthday.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:09):
Oh.
Happy birthday.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:11):
Happy birthday.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:12):
Does he listen?
I don't know.
I don't think he does.
I don't think he does either.
We don't have any listens inthat area.
No.
But he might not be a podcastlistener.
Or he might not want to listento us right now.
He might just hate us.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:25):
He's probably.
If you're listening right now,you know who you are.
But happy birthday anyway.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Um that's funny.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:35):
His birthday is so close to your mom's, and your
birthday was on your uncle, onhis dad's birthday.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:39):
So him, my uncle and mine have the the birth have our
birthday.
And then my mom's birthday isfive days later.
And then my cousin's birthday isexactly seven days after her
birthday, and then my sister'sbirthday is seven days after
that.
Wow.
So my sister's birthday is theseventeenth.
Crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:58):
Yeah, so my birthday's the day before my
mom's.
And then my sister is twelvedays after my mom.
But then my kids one's bornAugust 2nd, one's the 10th, and
one's the 4 13th, and then theirdad is the 14th.
So Yeah.

(01:12:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:20):
Pretty crazy.
And it is.
They come in groups, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:25):
Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:26):
Although my dad well, no, because my dad is in
April, and then um my mom'sbesties two kids.
The oldest is two days before mydad's birthday, and then the
other one's a month later.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:41):
I miss those kids.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:43):
They're not kids anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:45):
I probably wouldn't even recognize them anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:47):
No, my godson has two kids of his own, and then
the other one has one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:53):
Oh.
I didn't know that one, and Ididn't know about the second
one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:57):
Boy, he has a boy and a girl.
And then the older one has agirl.
Oh.
Very Italian names for all ofthem.
No doubt.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:07):
Yeah.
All right.
Well, that was my episode on thepeanuts.
Happy 75th to the peanuts.
Yeah, that's nice.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:15):
That's lovely.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:16):
Yeah.
You're lying, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:19):
I'm not.
It was good, good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:21):
Yeah, it's a little it it yeah, it's funny how much
it's just funny to go back onthese things and look listen to
the adult things that werehappening while we were just
kids reading the comic strip.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:33):
That's one of the things that you go back on and
you're like, huh.
What about that?
Yep.
That was uh an interesting.
That was an interesting uh thingthey yeah.
Yeah.

unknown (01:13:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:49):
But you know, I know Disney did it on purpose so that
the adults when they took thekids had something to laugh at.
Yeah, laugh at.
And it's I assume you knowalmost all the comics did too.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:01):
I don't think there's anything like that in
the peanuts, though.
I don't remember any adult humorat all.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:07):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:08):
I think it was very childlike.
I bet he did have a mentalillness.
I don't know what it is, but Idon't know.
Something where he was trappedin that time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:18):
I know.
So they say that the Winnie thePooh are all mental illnesses.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:26):
I have heard that theory.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:27):
Obviously, Eeyore's depression.
Obviously, Tigger is ADHD.
Piglet is anxiety.
Piglet is anxiety.
Um Tigger ADHD.
Oh, wait.
Rabbit.
Rabbit.
I don't remember what rabbitwas.

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I don't remember what Pooh waseither.
No, that was the owl.
Oh.
I don't know.
I don't know.
There's a thing that you canlook up and and somebody has
broken them all down.
But I definitely identify withspectrum.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:06):
Or just glutton.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:11):
Nudist.
Maybe, maybe Pooh was the uh andand oh, and Christopher Robin is
schizophrenic.
Oh I love that.
I don't, I just can't rememberwhat rabbit and Kanga and Roo
and Pooh were.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:32):
Well, Kanga was the mom, right?
Kanga was the mom, really.
She was just stressed the fuckout.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:38):
You'd be too if you had to carry a baby around like
that.
And you't tum.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:42):
Although my youngest, until she was 11,
would wrap her legs around mywaist and her arms around my
neck and just cling to me whileI walked around.
She's a little thing, so she'stiny.
I would clean house, washdishes, do all kinds of stuff
with her just wrapped around me.
So that's probably like being akangaroo mom.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:03):
We went off the rails again.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:05):
We really did.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:06):
Okay, we're we're both delirious.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:08):
Yeah, we are.
Thank you for bearing with usthrough that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:11):
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