Bill and Steve's Nerdy Adventure

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From nostalgic friendships to tech giants, the spotlight shifts to Apple Computers. Discover the captivating history of this iconic company, beginning with the groundbreaking partnership between Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. Learn how their early ventures, including the infamous "blue boxes," led to the creation of the Apple I and how their strategic maneuvers positioned Apple ahead of competitors like Atari and IBM. We've got the inside scoop on the intriguing dynamic between Jobs and Gates, the infamous 1984 Super Bowl ad that changed advertising forever, and the rivalries and alliances that shaped the personal computing landscape.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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sharing our stories.
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(00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to Like Whatever Podcast for, by and
about Gen X, I'm Nicole and thisis my BFFF, heather.
Hello, so how was your week?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
It was alright, today's Veterans Day, so we
would like to thank all of ourveterans.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, huge shout out to the veterans.
That is something I could neverdo.
No, so thank you so much?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
No, I could not either.
That's too much.
Outside you know, risking yourlife, exercise, yeah, the whole
thing is not no.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
How was yours?
Good, yeah, exercise, yeah, thewhole thing is not.
No.
How was yours?
Uh?
Good, yeah, just short week atwork.
Good with election day.
Last week and this weekend wasfun college football, saturday,
nfl, sunday, eagles beat thesocks off of uh dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
That is the best part in dallas of the whole week
broke a what seven year streakof not beating dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
And they're in stadium.
That was the best part of thewhole weekend.
It really was.

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Yeah, yeah, it was nice commanders lost too did
they yeah, which we need by apoint, because they're really
good yeah, no, that's crazy,right, they finally have a
quarterback.
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Oh, I know what I wanted to say.
Um, so you know, I have tolisten to podcasts all week long

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in the truck and stuff, and Ilisten to a lot of many hours of
podcast, so I have to find apodcast that's been on forever
so I can entertain myself for along of time, right?
So this week my podcast got to2020 and prior to covid, it was

(02:09):
like, oh, we're gonna go on tourand we're gonna do this, like
yeah, and I was like, oh, no,you're not.
And then, the episode I justlistened to, they were like, oh
well, you know, this willprobably be over, and just, they
had just gone into lockdown.
It'll probably be just a coupleweeks.
And I was like, oh, no, no, no,no, you are in for it it was

(02:33):
some wild times it was wildtimes and for somebody who was
built to stay in their house allthe time me the fact that I had
to work the whole time seems sounfair.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, working from home was awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I have trained my whole life to be at home and in
lockdown, and I was not allowedto be in lockdown.
I was in lock up where I had tolike work Right Mad hours, and
you know good times, you finallyget out of the restaurant, and

(03:08):
then the world goes intolockdown, I know, and it's a
good thing.
I did not work in a restaurantat that time, though, or we'd
have been in big trouble.
Yeah, because my husband workedin restaurants, so I was the
only one working, but he made avery good housewife, because
dinner was always on the tablewhen I got home.
Yeah, so good for him it wasnice.

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I wish I could have stayed andhe's the worst because he is not
very good at staying home,sitting still so our roles were
very much reversed.
Yes, during that time.
Yes, so I'm glad that we don'thave to do that anymore.
Oh also, let's talk about thelittle space you made for us.

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Oh yeah.
So my husband had this idea.
We had a spare bedroom that wasfull of stuff that we don't
know what to do with.
So we reorganized the stuff andwe've made a space, and now we
have a little area, a little podcorner.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, there's some lovely candles and some purple
lights.
Yes, it's very festive, yes,lovely.
Yeah, so now we have comfychairs.
Yes, we're not jammed in youroffice anymore.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yep, so it is a work in progress, but Much like the
podcast here.
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
We're getting there.
Someday we'll get it together.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, so maybe when it gets pretty enough, we'll
post it on our socials so y'allcan see where the magic happens.
Yeah, magic, this is where itall happens, yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
So today I'm going to say our thing in a second, but
I just want to preface it withlook, I'm not a computer whiz.
I don't understand 90% ofcomputer nonsense.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I don't understand 99% of computer nonsense.
I don't understand 99% ofcomputer nonsense.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
So this is the briefest and briefest of
overviews, and I'm sure that Iam going to get things wrong
because I am not no offense anApple nerd and I know how touchy
Apple people are, so let's fuckaround and find out about Apple

(05:28):
computers.
Alrighty, then Steve Jobs Idon't know if you've ever heard
of him, maybe and Steve Wozniak,referred to collectively as the
two Steves which is clever,it's so clever.
The two steves which is clever,it's so clever.

(05:50):
They first met in mid 1971 whena mutual friend introduced the
then 21 year old wozniak to a 16year old jobs.
Wow yeah, their first businesspartnership began in the fall of
that year when wozniak, aself-educated electronics
engineer, read an article inesququire that described a
device that could place freelong distance phone calls by
emitting emitting specific tonechirps.

(06:10):
And so he started to build whathe called the blue boxes, which
he tested by calling theVatican city, pretending to be
Henry Kissinger wanting to speakto the Pope.
Shenanigans Already Nerdyshenanigans, the nerdy
shenanigans.
But Steve Jobs had decided thatthis sounded like a great

(06:37):
selling opportunity, and he wasable to sell 200 of the blue
boxes for $150 each, and hesplit the profit with Wozniak In
75,.
The two Steve's startedattending meetings of the
Homebrew Computer Company.
No, I lied, homebrew ComputerClub, oh yes, where amateurs

(07:00):
would build, you know, computersLike you know, because back
then the computers were as bigas four houses.
Yeah, and it the wild, wild westyeah they were making them,
trying to make them smaller andeasier to use, I guess, right.
So when a certain technologythat I m os technology this is
why, where it's going to come in, where I have no idea what I'm

(07:22):
fucking talking about Released,it's $20, which is equivalent to
$107.
Okay, our time 6502 chip.
In 76.
Wozniak wrote a version ofBASIC for it and began to design

(07:42):
a computer for it a version ofBASIC for it, and began to
design a computer for it.
In March of 76, he completedhis computer and they took it to
the Homebrew Computer.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Club meeting.
To show it off, I'll bet theywere the prettiest girl at the
ball.
I have no doubt.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
So when Jobs saw the computer, you know the wheels
were turning.
This computer later becomes theApple one.
He was immediately interestedin its commercial potential.
Initially, wozniak intended toshare the schematics of the
machine for free, but Jobsinsisted that they should
instead build and sell bareprinted circuit boards for the

(08:21):
computer.
Wozniak originally offered thedesign to Hewlett-Packard, where
he was working at the time, butwas denied by the company on
five occasions.
Good job, hewlett-packard.
Right.
Jobs eventually convincedWozniak to go into business
together and start a newcomputer company of their own.
In order to raise the moneythey needed to produce the first

(08:45):
batch of printed circuit boards, jobs sold his Volkswagen Type
2 minibus for $1,500, whichseems like a lot back then.
Yeah, maybe it was souped up.
I would hope so.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
And Woziak sold his hp 65 programmable calculator
for 500 dollars.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
That is the nerdiest thing ever, which also seems
extremely expensive.
Right, we're talking 1970smoney.
That's gotta be like way toomuch now for a calculator.
On april 1st 1976, applecomputer company was founded by
steve jobs, steve losniak andronald wayne.
The company was registered as acalifornia business partnership

(09:37):
.
Wayne, who worked for at atariinc as a chief draftsman, became
co-founder in return for a 10%stake.
On April 12th, less than twoweeks after the company's
formation, wayne left Apple,selling his 10% share back to
the two Steves for $800.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Considering I had never heard of him, I figured he
had made some sort of verysilly, foolish mistake.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I mean $800.
I mean, how do you live withyourself?
I don't know.
I imagine he doesn't live verywell with himself.
Jobs proposed the name applecomputer when he had just come
back from robert freeland's allone farm in oregon and he said
it was because he was one on oneof his fruitarian diets.

(10:24):
He conceived of the name andthought it sounded fun, spirited
and not intimidating.
Plus, it would get us ahead ofAtari in the phone book.
So Jobs went to the Bite Shopstore and tried to sell the
owner the bare circuit boardsfor the apple one.

(10:45):
The owner, paul terrell, saidhe was only interested in
purchasing the machine fullyassembled and that he would
order 50 assembled computers andpay 500 each on delivery.
On delivery, which is theequivalent of 2700 today.
Wow, he jobs then went tokramer electronics, ordered the
components he needed, tellingthem that if you give me the

(11:07):
parts on a net 30-day term, Ican build and deliver the
computers in that time frame,collect my money at the bite
shop and pay you.
And he even took, like thesales order for him to the the
place to get this stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
So so the guy agreed I will gladly pay you Tuesday
for a hamburger today.
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
So they did it.
The Apple I went on sale inJuly 76 as an assembled circuit
board with a retail price of$666.66.
So Apple's been evil from theget-go Wozniak later said that
he had no idea about therelation between the number and
the mark of the beast.
And then he came up with theprice because he liked repeating

(11:53):
digits.
Sure, there's a lot ofrepeating digits in the world,
like fours and fives, ones andzeros, which they should have
known about.
Ones and zeros exactly.
But no, it went with the markof the beast okay, yeah the
about 200 units of the apple onewere eventually sold.

(12:15):
It had some notable features,including the use of a tv
display, whereas many machineshad no display at all.
And almost as soon as apple hadstarted selling its first
computers, wozniak moved on fromthe apple one and began
designing a greatly improvedcomputer, the apple two.
Oh, very clever, yeah, verygood at naming original.

(12:38):
Wozniak completed working theprototype of the new machine by
august of 76.
The apple II went on sale onJune 10th 1977, with a retail
price of $1,298, which todaywould be $6,700.
That seems high.
That's a lot.
I mean.

(12:58):
I know we all complain aboutApples now being, you know, like
$2,500, but yeah, you know$6,700, that that seems a little
steep.
Yeah, I mean, it did have amonitor, though.
Oh wow, fancy, there you go.
The computer's main internaldifference from its predecessor
was a completely redesigned tvinterface, which held a display

(13:20):
in memory.
Now not only useful for simpletext displays.
The Apple II included graphicsand eventually color.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Not just the green.
No, it had color.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
The Apple II was one of three 1977 Trinity computers
generally credited with creatingthe home computer markets.
I believe IBM had one and Idon't know who the other one was
, but ibm comes up later.
Okay, yeah, the development ofthe apple 3 what I know very

(13:54):
clever started in late 78 underthe guidance of wendell sandar
and was subsequently developedby a committee headed by Jobs.
The Apple 3 was first announcedon May 19, 1980, with a retail
price ranging from $4,300 to$7,800, or, if you're counting
today's money, $17,000 to$20,000.

(14:17):
Shut up and it was released inNovember of 1980.
Did anybody buy one?
Businesses only.
The Apple III was designed totake on business environment in
an attempt to compete with IBMin the business and corporate
computing market.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Was that like one of those big closets full of
computers?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
for $20,000?
I think so, I hope so.
I do too.
I don't know for $100,000.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
On that, I'm picturing a desktop.
I think it was.
I do too, I don't know for ahundred on that.
Like I'm picturing a desktop.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I think it was bigger than that.
So while Apple computersbusiness division was focusing
on the Apple two, anotheriteration of the text-based
computer simultaneouslyhappening was called the Lisa
group Worked on a new machinethat would feature a completely
different interface andintroduce the words.
Worked on a new machine thatwould feature a completely
different interface andintroduced the words mouse, icon

(15:07):
and desktop into the lexicon ofthe computing public.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Lisa Group did that.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yes, okay, I mean that's Apple under Okay.
Lisa Group was under Apple oh,because Wozniak was building
this.
There was two differentdivisions, I suppose, at Apple.
One was for businesses and onewas this lisa was trying to move
into a more personal okaycomputer because at the time it
was just there, just reallywasn't a big no, not so much

(15:36):
need for it, but they didn'treally have them.
In return for the right to buya million of pre-ipo stock,
xerox granted apple computerthree-day access to the park
facilities.
After visiting park they cameaway with new ideas that would
complete the foundation forapple computer.
Apple designed the lisainterface of windows and icons.

(15:59):
The lisa was introduced in 1983at a cost of nine thousand nine
hundred and ninety five dollars, equivalent to thirty thousand
dollars.
Because of the high price,oddly enough, lisa failed to
penetrate the business market oh, so I guess wondering why it
didn't make it.
I guess lisa was more towardsthe business and, okay, the

(16:22):
business end, and but the thingof it was is they got to tour.
So they got three for a million, a million dollars in pre-ipo
stock, right, they got to tourthe xerox plant and see what
xerox had going on in there.
This comes into play later.
Okay, yeah, just rememberforeshadowing yes, okay, mark my

(16:43):
words.
On december 12 1980, apple wentpublic on the nasdaq stock
exchange with the ticker symbolaapl, selling 4.6 million shares
at 22, generating over 100million, which was more capital
than any ipo since ford motorCompany in 1956.

(17:04):
By the end of the day, thestock rose to 29 per share and
300 millionaires were createdWow, including the two Steves.
Nice Around this time.
Wozniak offered 10 million ofhis own stock to early Apple
employees, something Jobsrefused to do.

(17:26):
Mm-hmm, yeah, apple employeessomething jobs refused to do.
Apple's market cap was $1.7billion at the end of its first
day of trading and by August 81,apple was among the three
largest microcomputer companies,having replaced RadioShack as
the leader.
This is when IBM entered thepersonal computer mark with the
IBM PC White.
This is when IBM entered thepersonal computer mark with the
IBM PC White.

(17:46):
Ibm began with onemicrocomputer, little available
hardware or software and acouple of hundred dealers.
Apple had five times as manydealers in the US and
established internationaldistribution.
The company's customers gained areputation for devotion and
loyalty.
Bite magazine, the magazine oh,I already said that bite
magazine noted that the loyaltywas not entirely positive for

(18:10):
apple because customers werewilling to overlook real flaws
in its products, even whileholding the company to a higher
standard than for competitors.
Called apple arrogance.
I have a little Apple arrogance, I think.
Yeah, I'm a Samsung person, soI don't.
I have owned Apple, yeah, butno, I don't have any Apple

(18:35):
arrogance.
So Apple confidently purchaseda full-page advertisement in the
Wall Street Journal with theheadline Welcome IBM Seriously.
Full page advertisement in thewall street journal with the
headline welcome ibm seriously.
Microsoft head bill gates wasat apple headquarters the day of
ibm's announcement and latersaid they didn't seem to care.

(18:57):
It took them a full year torealize what had happened.
So jobs and gates actuallystarted off as business partners
.
I don't know if everybody hasheard of bill gates.
He has a lot of money bigmelinda gates fan here.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Oh, I don't know her.
Oh she's, she gives a lot ofmoney.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I know they both do and I know bill's very
passionate last time I heardwhich I don't really check in
with the gates too very often,but I have heard that bill gates
was still driving the first carhe ever owned, which was like a
1972 gremlin or something.
I don't think it was a gremlin,but I know he drives like yeah,
that's how you keep money bynot spending it.

(19:42):
Yeah, that's the problem.
Also, you are, when you'reSteve jobs business partner.
You know you probably made somechange off of that too.
So this is the time whencomputers came in big bulky
boxes that took up half yourdesk.

(20:04):
According to business Insider,some of the software on the
Apple II PC was made byMicrosoft.
Bill used to make regularvisits to the Apple facilities
in Cupertino, california, tocheck out what Steve and his
company were up to.
Steve and Bill's relationshipwere still a bit fun and

(20:25):
friendly at the time.
They hadn't yet entrenchedthemselves into an all-out
computer company warfare.
They actually had a techiebromance because one time bill
gates participated in an appleevent in 83 that featured him as
a contestant in the Macintoshsoftware dating game.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Oh my.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
At the helm of the mock game show, jobs acted as
both the host and guest, lookingfor love, or rather a software
CEO who could help Apple makethe new Macintosh PC a success.
That kind of makes me sad.
It's the very lamest of them,and I'm a nerd.
So in fact, as yahoo news notes, gates claimed in an interview

(21:14):
decades later that he had morepeople working on the computer
than apple did during theircollaboration.
Jobs had gotten gates topromise that he wouldn't design
a graphical interface icons,windows and all the other stuff
we know as an operating systemtoday or any other company
besides Apple for at least ayear after the release of the

(21:34):
Macintosh.
Unfortunately for Jobs, thingsdon't always go as planned.
Gates was not going to wait.
Gates was not gonna wait.
He announced in november 1983that microsoft was going to
develop a graphical interferenceoperating system with ibm and
that enraged steve jobs.

(21:54):
He accused gates of stealingthe idea from apple, but gates
said there was another way oflooking at it.
Of course, he claimed thatapple actually got the idea for
a graphical interface fromfellow tech company Xerox.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh, look at that.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
So the idea was never apples to steal.
I think it's more like we bothhad this rich neighbor named
Xerox.
Gates told him, and I brokeinto his house to steal the TV
set and found out that you hadalready stolen it.
So I think Bill Gates had thesame tour of the Xerox factory,
sounds like it.

(22:33):
So they both got the same ideaRight Relatively the same idea
at the same time.
By 83, the PC surpassed theApple II as the best-selling
personal computer and by 84, thepress had called the two
companies arch-rivals.
But IBM had $4 billion inannual PC revenue, more than

(22:53):
twice that of Apple and as muchas the sales of it and the next
three companies combined.
So IBM was really dominatingFor sure.
So Apple announced theMacintosh 128K to the press in
October of 83, followed by an18-page brochure, included with

(23:15):
magazines in December, becauseyou know Steve Jobs likes to
again my bias of Apple.
Its debut was announced by asingle national broadcast of a
US one in the US $1.5 milliontelevision commercial Nineteen

(23:36):
eighty four, equivalents to fourmillion four hundred dollars in
today's money.
It was directed by Ridley Scottand aired during the third
quarter of the Super Bowl onJanuary 1984.
Do you remember that ad.
I remember it very well.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
They were all sitting at desks and they had the over
and it was like it was all basedon the 1984 book.
It was considered a watershedevent and a masterpiece.
Wow, yes, I mean it was a.
It was, I do remember it verywell, like they were all in a

(24:17):
classroom and I don't.
I mean, I guess I remember thevisuals of it more, which is you
know really what I guess wasintended, but I did not know.
It was directed by ridley scott, like that's crazy, and so it
was announcing that they willrelease the macintosh on january
24th, just two days later, andthe whole point of it was you'll
see why 1984 won't be like thebook, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Which is so witty yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, it went on sale January 24th 1984, with a
retail price of $2,400, which isthe equivalent now of $7,500.
Shoot, very expensive Dang.
It came bundled with twoapplications designed to show

(25:07):
off its interface mac right andmac paint.
The macintosh was too radicalfor some who labeled it a toy,
because the machine was entirelydesigned around the gui
whatever, that is, existing textmode and command driven
application, and and everythinghad to be redesigned and the
programming code had to berewritten.

(25:28):
So software developers were nothappy because they had to do
everything just for them, muchlike everyone has to do now.
They haven't changed that atall, so that resulted in a lack
of software for the new system.

(25:48):
In April of 84, microsoft'smulti-plan migrated over from
MS-DOS, followed by MicrosoftWord.
In January of 85, appleintroduced Macintosh Office, the
same year with the Lemmings ad.
Year with the lemmings ad, andinfamous for insinuating

(26:10):
potential customers just jumpedover ledges for any.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I did a book report on lemming when I was in school.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
I did yeah well macintosh was based.
I mean not macintosh.
Microsoft was insinuating thatyou know apple would.
People will just jump off acliff, and he's not wrong, they
still will.
That's my personal editorialthere.
The lemmings by early 85.

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The macintosh's failure todefeat the ibm pc triggered a
power struggle between Jobs andthe Apple CEO, john Sculley, who
had been hired two yearsearlier by Jobs.
Wozniak, who had left activeemployment at Apple at this time
, in the spring of that year,was to pursue other ventures,

(27:00):
stating that the company hadbeen going in the wrong
direction for the last fiveyears, and sold most of his
stock.
Despite these grievances,wozniak left the company
amicably and, as of January 2018, continues to represent Apple
at events or in interviews.
He received a stipend over theyears for his role, estimated in

(27:22):
2006 to be $120,000 a year.
He also remained an Appleshareholder.
Following his departure In Aprilof 85, ceo Scully decided to
remove Jobs as the generalmanager of the Macintosh
division and gain unanimoussupport from Apple Board of

(27:44):
Directors.
Rather than submit to Scully'sdirection, jobs attempted to
oust him from his leadershiprole at Apple.
Scully found out about the coupand called an emergency
executive meeting at whichapple's executive staff sided
with scully and stripped jobs ofall operational duties jobs.
While taking the position ofchairman had no influence over

(28:10):
apple's direction and resignedin september of 85, taking a
number of apple employees withhim to found next inc.
In a show of defiance at beingset aside by apple computer, he
sold all but one of his 6.5million shares in the company
for 70 million dollars.

(28:30):
Wow, now this is where.
So steve Jobs then paid $5million of his own money to
George Lucas for technologyrights and invested $5 million
in Pixar.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Smart investment.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, joining the board of directors as chairman
which that was the equivalent of$13 million, today Almost $14
million.
So he bought a piece of pixar.
Despite initial marketingdifficulties, the apple brand
was eventually a success forapple, as we all know, due to

(29:08):
its introduction of desktoppublishing and later computer
animation, through apple'spartnership with adobe, which
introduced the laser printer andAdobe PageMaker.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I hate Adobe.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
I think it's hard.
I don't know if they're stillaround.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
It is.
We recently, until recently,had it at work and they've ended
the licensing.
Maybe it's done, I don't know,but it still shows up on my
computer and I hate it.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
So Macintosh became the default platform for many
art industries, including cinema, music, advertising and
publishing.
Apple continued to sell bothlines of its computer the Apple
II and the Macintosh.
A few months after introducingthe Mac, apple released a
compact version of the Apple IIcalled the Apple IIc.
I had the Apple IIc, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Fancy.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
So so we're gonna backtrack a second because, okay
, I forgot, but I had to addthis part later.
I put it in the wrong spot, soy'all have to just forgive me.
So in like 83 they steve jobswent and was lobbying to
california government to getwhat he called kids can't wait,

(30:22):
and that was to donate umcomputers into public schools,
which you'd think well, good foryou, because you know, yeah,
kids such a nice guy.
Yeah, except he would get a 25%corporate tax credit for
donating.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Oh yeah, it's all about the money.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, they never ended up getting it national,
but he did donate to 9,200schools in California Also, so
part of that, too, was my school, the reason we had an apple 2c
just to come back to that um,because in my school we had
apple because we were fancy andI remember it was in like I

(31:07):
guess it was 84, 83, 84.
Um, it was 84 83 we had.
We didn't have macintoshbecause until like 84 or 85, but
we had the Apple two C at atschool and I had an Apple two C
at home and it had Oregon trail.
Did you ever play Oregon trail?
Did you not have apples?

(31:28):
No, you never played Oregontrail.
Is that just an Apple thing, Iwonder?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I guess, when those names pop up I'm just like, I
mean, of course I remember it,but I I died of dysentery many
times.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
So, but because Apple didn't have, like I said, the
software, you could only useApple software with it.
So you had to like for us.
We had to drive an hour to thenearest Apple store, which was
in Dover, and it costsridiculously large amounts of
money.
But because my school usedapple, we had to have apple at

(32:03):
home see, and I bet that waspart of steve jobs's plan as
well if you get, they have touse it, right.
Yeah, so you're selling them.
Unfortunately, they were stupidexpensive so it was hard for
people and I'm sure that theschools that got it were
probably schools in a moreaffluent area that could afford.

(32:24):
But I was remembering also, sothey used to have and I don't I
don't remember it really well,but it was once a year and I
went twice.
We would go to DC and theywould have.
It was like a weekend and itwas like Friday night was a

(32:45):
dance that all the Apple nerdsfrom like all over the country
and you were in elementaryschool yeah, it was like fourth
grade, so we would go over.
My mom never let me go to thedance because she wasn't driving
over there, but we go oversaturday, and saturday they
would have stuff going on allday, like I don't know.

(33:05):
You got awards and stuff.
So it must have been some kindof like programming or I don't
know who had the most apple inthe world, I don't know.
But I remember going to thebanquets.
They had a banquet on saturday.
The dance was Friday and thenSaturday, and this is how you
probably made pen pals witheverybody.
Yeah, and I do remember goingto the banquet and we won stuff

(33:26):
every year.
I don't know if it was justbecause we had the most
computers or the parents of yourschool had bought the most
computers.
Probably yeah, you win becauseyou made apple the most money.
Um, and then the school ourschool went to all macintosh.
Like they got rid of all theapple twos and they went to all

(33:49):
macintosh.
Then we had to get a macintoshat home, because then you
couldn't, they didn't use thesame discs and it was like again
, because that's what Appleloves to do where they make,
when the new thing comes out nowthe old thing is obsolete.
That's true.
That's my main issue with Apple.
So we had to get the Macintoshand I remember that this is very

(34:13):
vivid in my memory.
The first time you turned it onit had the encyclopedia.
Oh wait, it gets better,because when you would go
through the encyclopedia, likeif you would go to martin luther
king, they would play the.
I had a dream speech like avideo and it was like

(34:37):
mind-blowing, that's amazing.
Oh, and then they would havelike you could watch the shuttle
take off and it was.
It was really cool because itwas color and it was played
video like.
I mean, it wasn't great video,it's pretty advanced, I mean
it's not like today where youcan just it looks like it should
I.
It was pretty grainy and youknow, but everything was kind of

(35:00):
so you didn't have to, andthere was no such thing as
internet.
Well, there was internet, butwe didn't have, but anyway, but
it was the coolest thing.
Oh, and then also, so you couldchange the sounds in it too.
So when you would eject thedisc, it would make a sound.
Yeah, and I changed.
When you would eject the disc,it would make a sound.
So, yeah, and I changed all thesounds, because I am a nerd.

(35:21):
My father's name is dave and inum 2001, the computer says dave,
this can serve no purposeanymore, and that is what our
laptop or our computer would saywhen it ejected a disc.
Yeah, so that's where I livedin that time.

(35:42):
I could not do that.
Now, if you paid me $1 million,I wouldn't know how to change.
I can't even work this phone,whatever.
Yeah, but I wasn't going.
But I was going to bank withthem.
So maybe that's, maybe, that isyeah.
There.
You go going to banquet then.
So maybe that's, maybe, that isyeah.
There, you go Back to our story.
Yes, Because this is where it'sgoing to get good.
Oh yeah, I don't know aboutgood, but this is where it gets.

(36:04):
Yeah, okay, so Jobs is out.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Wozniak is out.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Wozniak never, never really comes back.
I mean, he does, but not hedoesn't ever work for him again.
He's just hi, I'm right, afounding member, and that guy
yeah so as a valued developer.
Microsoft got a behind thescenes look at the development
of the macintosh project.
Prior to its 84 release andshortly after the very first mac
went on sale, microsoft founderbill gates wrote to John

(36:35):
Sculley and suggested Appleshould license the Macintosh
operating system to outsidemanufacturers to help establish
it as a standard interface forpersonal computing.
Sculley was tentatively open tothe idea, but on June 25th 1985
, another Apple executive shotdown the proposal and that guy

(36:57):
had taken over running the Macdivision from Steve Jobs.
Oh okay, so Gates decided tocapitalize on what he saw was as
a great business opportunity tocreate a mass market operating
system, and he debuted Windowson November 15th 1985.
Scully was furious when he sawwindows, although version one,

(37:21):
windows one, did not comparewell to the mac operating system
, for example, although the newmicrosoft microsoft operating
system featured on-screenwindows.
They could not overlap oneanother, but windows seemed
eerily close to mac.
For one thing, it was packagedwith the built-in apps right,

(37:42):
microsoft right and microsoftpaint, which, if you remember,
is literally the same namecoincidence?
yeah, um, since microsoft madeup two-thirds of software sales
for mac at the time, it was innobody's interest to break up
the partnership.
Mac sales were underperformingas it was and Microsoft's first

(38:03):
version of Windows was no morethreatening than that of any
other Apple knockoffs floatingaround, and it wasn't a
straight-up ripoff of the Macoperating system, because they
had actually started developingWindows before Gates ever saw
the Macintosh.
And again they had both taken,actually started developing
windows before gates ever sawthe macintosh and, um, again
they had both taken from xerox,right, which, so technically

(38:25):
xerox should be the one that waspissy about the whole thing
great but, they're fine yeah, sowell, I'm sure they are now
they just make copiers.
um, I don't even know if theystill do that.
As a result, microsoft andApple came to an agreement.
Scully and Gates signed a dealon November 21st 1985, that

(38:45):
licensed the Mac's visualdisplay to Microsoft.
Gates agreed that Microsoftwould continue writing software
for Mac.
Microsoft also gave Apple atwo-year exclusivity window on
its popular spreadsheet programExcel.
Controversially, this deal gaveMicrosoft a non-exclusive,
worldwide, royalty-free,perpetual, non-transferable

(39:08):
license to use Say that again.
Yes, three times real fast,please, I will not Okay, and
that was for the present, thefuture of software programs and
to license them to and throughthird parties.
A couple of years later,windows 2 arrived.
It resembled the macintoshinterface much closer than the

(39:30):
first version.
As a result, on march 17th 1988, apple sued Microsoft for
stealing its work.
Yes, judge William Schwartzerruled that the existing license

(39:50):
between Apple and Microsoftcovered certain interface
elements for the new Windows.
Those that weren't covered werenot copyrightable.
I bet that was a riveting trial.
Oh gosh, yeah.
I see a slapeting trial.
Oh gosh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I see a slap fight.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
No, my computer looks like this.
So that was the start of adecade of dominance for
Microsoft and a decade ofdisaster and near ruin for Apple
.
Apple attempted its firstportable Macs and failed.
Apple attempted its firstportable Macs and failed.
The Macintosh Portable in 89and then the more popular

(40:23):
PowerBook in 1991.
During the 90s, project Pink hadApple and IBM collaborating to
develop a new operating system.
Inviting resulted in Appleleaving the project and IBM
finishing it in 1996.
Meanwhile, the struggling NextCompany, if you recall, was
where steve jobs was now.
Correct, it was struggling butit bought out b inc.

(40:46):
You know it beat b inc's bid tosell its operating system to
apple.
So on december 20th 1996, appleApple announced it would
purchase Next and its Next Stepoperating system for $429
million and 1.5 million sharesof Apple stock.
This brought Jobs back to Applefor the first time since 1985.

(41:09):
And Next technology became thefoundation of the Mac OS X
operating system.
Huh, I know this is allriveting, right?
Yeah, we're going to have somany followers.
On July 9th 1997, gil Emilio wasousted as CEO of Apple by the
board of directors and in August1997, jobs stepped in as the

(41:31):
interim CEO to begin a criticalrestructuring of the company's
products.
He eventually became CEO andserved in that position from
January 2000 to August 2011.
On November 10th, appleintroduced the Apple store.
I think we all know what thatis.
And then they went to the Macat 97.

(41:56):
They did a Mac world expo.
Jobs announced that oh, this isthe good part.
I read that all wrong, sopretend I didn't say anything.
Okay, not the other part, butso jobs takes over.
Um, apple introduces the appapple store.
Now, remember, they werestruggling.
At this point, apple wasstruggling, and here's where I'm

(42:16):
gonna piss off all of the applepeople.
Okay, because many differentopinions vary on this next part,
but I have a very opinionated.
At the 1997 mac world expo, jobsannounced that apple would
begin a partnership withmicrosoft.
There is no doubt that therivalry between Microsoft and

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Apple is one of the longeststanding in the tech industry.
Gates stepped in and savedApple, and I said it and I meant
it and I'm here to represent it.
Apple was on the brink ofbankruptcy.
Steve Jobs, at this MacworldExpo, saido, said bill, thank
you, the world's a better place.

(43:00):
Jobs told gates.
After the microsoft exec agreedto make 150 million investment
in apple, the corporate olivebranch shocked the tech and
business worlds, uh, even incyberspace.
The moment can only bedescribed as surreal.
The new york times opinionsection wrote in the wake of the
deal, apple co-founder stevejobs got needed cash in return

(43:22):
for non-voting shares and anassurance that microsoft would
support office for the mac.
And a remarkable feat ofnegotiation, apple, I don't know
.
I read, read that part.
Apple agreed, oh, and sobasically, bill Gates gave him
$150 million and he got sharesof Apple.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
And the deal was that you can now put Microsoft
Office on your Apple.
Crap, oh yes, and so basicallyApple took the money, stopped
the lawsuit that they hadbasically let Bill Gates bail

(44:06):
him out.
I said what I said.
And da-da-da-da.
We have to let go of the notionthat for Apple to win,
microsoft needs to lose Neithercompany nor executive lost.
But the world has changed inunpredictable ways.
Microsoft needs to lose Neithercompany nor executive lost, but
the world has changed inunprecedented, unpredictable

(44:27):
ways, and both have newcompetitors to worry about, in
particularly a teeny, tinylittle company that was founded
a year later that you may or maynot have heard of, google.
Yes, hard to believe thatGoogle was not around, right,
but it wasn't.
Yeah, so now that steve jobs hadtaken apple back over his first

(44:48):
move as well, I guess hissecond move because he did take
all that money from bill gatesthat I will keep talking about
until I'm blue in the face hedecided to develop the imac,
which brought Time, bought AppleTime to restructure in 99.
Apple introduced the Power MacG4, which utilized the
Motorola-made PowerPC 7400,which contained a 128-bit

(45:13):
instruction unit known asAltevec, and that became its
flagship processor line.
Apple unveiled the ibook thatyear, its first
consumer-oriented laptop.
Which who knew that they didn'thave until 2001?

Speaker 2 (45:30):
yeah, that's yeah.
I know, when I met my husbandin 2007, um, he had a laptop and
I was kind of fancy yeah nobodyhad them yeah, and they weighed
900 pounds.
Yeah, they did they were notand they overheated like
nobody's business.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Oh yeah, you had to get like a special thing that
held them up so that the littlefan would good times, yeah.
So after unveiling the iBook,so then in May of 2001, after
much speculation, they announcedthe opening of a line of Apple
retail stores.
So they had only had the oneand now they were moving them

(46:07):
out, and they were locatedthroughout the major US computer
buying markets.
In October of 2001, appleintroduced its first iPod.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Just yeah, I don't know if you know what, that is
One of the greatest inventionsof its time.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
So here's what I have to say about that, and this is
why it pisses Apple people off,because I feel like without Bill
Gates, you would not have thegarbage that you have today.
That is true.
Well, they invested the moneywisely, he did, and that's how
Bill Gates became a millionairebecause he had stock and he had

(46:45):
microsoft and apple, right, Imean, you can't go wrong with
that.
No, he couldn't lose.
Um.
So so a lot of people that thebig debate was that it was more
of like a uh, it wasn't a wholelot of money to Apple to really
make a big difference and it wasmore of a symbolic gesture.

(47:06):
That, but I don't know, $150million seems like a lot.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
I'd like to take it and see as a symbolic gesture or
as a larger person.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
I mean, if you gave me $150 million, I would
probably give it a go.
I don't know what, but I willgive whatever you want me to a
go.
Uh, apple introduced the firstipad.
The ipod gave an enormous liftto apple's financial results.
In late 2003, apple opened itsfirst apple store abroad, in

(47:36):
tokyo, and also it opened itsfirst european store in london
in november of 2004.
Back up to 2000, appleintroduced itools and that
started this whole I non.
I call it I nonsense becausethey have to have everything
else.
I have an eye in front of it,and it was a free set of

(48:00):
web-based tools that included anemail account, internet
greeting cards called iCardsclever.
The iTunes music store waslaunched in April 2003 with 2
million downloads in the first16 days.
On December 16 2004, apple soldits 200 millionth song on
iTunes Music Store.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
For what?
I think they started at 99cents a pop.
I think they went up to 129.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, it was pricey.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yeah.
Do you know what its 200millionth song was?
No, it was a U2 song.
I don't remember what it wasbecause I hate U2.
I know Controversial, I can'tstand U two.
The iTunes Music Store changedits name to iTunes Also clever
On September 12, 2006, when itbegan offering video content, tv

(48:50):
shows and movies for sale.
On January 9, 2007, appleComputer Inc shortened its name
to simply Apple.
Jobs explained that, with theircurrent product mix consisting
of the iPod and Apple TV, aswell as their Macintosh brand,
apple really wasn't just acomputer company anymore.
Jobs revealed a product thatwould revolutionize an industry

(49:15):
in which Apple had neverpreviously competed.
In june it's june 29th 2007 Iordered the very first one.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I was one of those the iphone.
The first version of the iphonebecame publicly available it
was, I remember I pre-ordered iton february 3rd 2007 because
that's my husband's birthday andI'd sit up till midnight that
night to get in and reserve myfirst one um, yeah, I never.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
I've never had an iphone ever.
I don't remember my all my.
You know what my first phonewas?
Um, the first one was amotorola.
That was back in the day whenyou could not use it under any
circumstances because it costs$72 million to make a phone call
, so it just sat there.
It was for emergency use only.

(50:09):
It was a Motorola, and then Imoved to the Nokia.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
I had a flip phone I don't remember what brand, it
wasn't Nokia and then I had aBlackBerry.
I did have a BlackBerry andthen I had, I think, a Razr and
then the iPhone.
I think that was my progression.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
I had the Motorola flip phone first, then I had the
Nokia, because you could takethe faceplates off and you could
play sneak on it, oh, yeah,yeah, and it had cool ringtones.
So I had that.
And then I went crazy on eBayand bought all the faceplates
for it.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Of course you did.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah, because I'm like that.
And then I had I don't rememberI had a BlackBerry and then I
had the one.
No, I had before I had theBlackBerry, I had the one that
flipped up Right that you couldtype on.
I remember when you had that,yeah, I had that one, I don't
remember what it was and then Igot a blackberry.
I had a purple blackberry andthen after that I want to say I

(51:12):
started getting samsung's.
Because that might be when thewhole yeah, once I started with
iphones, that was it.
Yeah, once I started with thewith samsung's, that was right.
I yeah, once I started withSamsung, that was Right.
I haven't gone with anythingelse.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
So 12 months later, the iPhone 3G became available
on July 11th 2008, which I didnot realize that the iPad wasn't
announced until January 27th2010.
I did not realize it was thatlate.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
And my husband had to have one of those, so we got
our sons of those that came out.
Thank God, we all grew that.
How many did he need?
The first one, I have not orthe newest one, but I didn't
have kids, so I could I use ituntil it dies now.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
No, this one needs to be replaced, because I'm like
three phones behind.
Well, my cameras are allsmashed up for some reason.
I just had to have my screenreplaced, because I drop this
thing all the time.
This is actually I have.
It's probably a brand new phonebecause I've had to keep having
it replaced because, well, Idon't know why, but it keeps.

(52:18):
It's probably not their best.
Whatever, they keep replacingit for free, so I can't complain
.
It's like a brand new one.
And then the guy said the nextone will probably not be this
version.
It'll probably have to be thenext version because they don't.
They haven't made this one inso long.
I guess I have to toss it insome water or something.
I didn't say that out loud.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I don't think they replace it, if you get away.
That used to be the thing.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Remember?
They had that little strip andit turned red.
You were screwed.
You were screwed, yep, becauseit was on the back of the
battery.
Yeah, but they can get wet.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Now, though, I was gonna say I mean it could have.
I mean you could have gottenthose phones wet and it would
still work.
Okay, yeah, as long as you putit in the rice that was the
important part.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Shove it in rice, don't make everything work.
Yeah, anyway, after the ipad,apple's revenues, profits and
stock price grew significantly.
On may 26 2010, apple stockmarket valued overtook microsoft
oh snap and apple's revenuessurpassed those of microsoft in

(53:24):
the third quarter of 2010 um.
One of the reasons was thatbecause pc software, or
microsoft dominated, had becomeless important compared to the
tablet and smartphone market,where apple had a strong
presence, uh so let's talk aboutmr jobs.
Okay, in october of 2003, jobswas diagnosed with cancer.

(53:49):
In the mid 2004, he announcedto his employees that he had
cancerous tumor in his pancreas.
Uh, for nine months he refusedto undergo surgery for his
pancreatic cancer, a decision helater regretted as his health
declined he instead and tried avegan diet, acupuncture, herbal
remedies and other treatments hefound online and even consulted

(54:13):
a psychic.
He was influenced by a doctorwho ran a clinic that advised
juice fasts, bowel cleans,cleansings and other unapproven
approaches, before finallyhaving surgery in July of 2004.
During Jobs' absence, tim Cook,head of worldwide sales and
operations at Apple, ran thecompany.

(54:34):
Now, mind you, he had notmentioned that.
Nobody knew, other than hisemployees, that Jobs had cancer
In January of 2006,.
The jobs had cancer In Januaryof 2006,.
The cancer had returned.
Oh no, so before that theydidn't know so, but when it came
back in 2006, they did not makeit public, but there was much
speculation, as he did not dothe keynote in 2008, nor in 2009

(54:57):
.
In 2009, tim Cook offered aportion of his liver to Jobs,
since they both share a rareblood type.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
That's nice.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
And the donor's liver can regenerate tissue after an
operation.
Jobs said I'll never let you dothat.
I'll never do that.
However, in April of 2009, hedid undergo a liver
transplantation at MethodistUniversity Hospital in Memphis,
tennessee.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Was it that guy's liver?

Speaker 3 (55:30):
No, he did not take his liver, so he didn't mind
taking somebody else's liver.
He took somebody else's.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
In fact take someone else's.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Oh, he probably just didn't want to owe that guy,
anything that's yes, hisprognosis was described as
excellent in january of 2011.
A year and a half after that,jobs returned to work.
Following the liver transplant,apple announced that he had
been granted another leave ofabsence.

(55:57):
On august 24th 2011, jobsannounced his resignation as
apple Apple CEO right into theboard.
I have always said, if it evercame a day when I could no
longer meet my duties andexpectations as Apple CEO, I
would be the first to let youknow.
Unfortunately, that day hascome.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Admirable yes.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Jobs became chairman of the board and named Tim Cook
as his successor as CEO.
So you know he didn't take hisliver, but he did move him up to
CEO.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
He should have taken the liver if he was going to
make him CEO All right, justtake it all.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Jobs continued to work for Apple until the day
before his death six weeks later.
Jobs died at his home in PaloAlto, california, at 3 pm on
October 5, 2011, due tocomplications from a relapse of
his previously treated isolatecell pancreatic cancer.
Steve's final words were oh wow, oh wow, oh wow, which makes

(56:56):
you wonder like what washappening.
What was he seeing?
Hopefully something very fun.
Wow, maybe that big, great bigiPad.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
He probably had this great, brilliant idea.
Right Wait, apple, I somethingelse.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, that's going to cost $46 bazillion.
Both Apple and Pixar issuedannouncements of his death.
Apple and microsoft both flewtheir flags at half staff
throughout their respectiveheadquarters and campuses.
All disney properties,including disney world and
disneyland, fly their flags athalf staff from october 6 to the

(57:40):
12th.
For two weeks following hisdeath, apple displayed on its
corporate website a simple pagethat showed jobs name and
lifespan next to his portrait.
In grayscale, californiagovernor jerry brown declared
sunday, october 16th, to besteve jobs day.
Oh, childhood friend and fellowapple co-founder, steve wozniak

(58:02):
, former owner of what wouldbecome pixar, george lucas and
his competitor microsoft,co-founder bill gates and
president barack obama all madestatements in response to his
death.
Wow, at his request, jobs wasburied in an unmarked grave.
He is listed as either primaryinventor or co-inventor in 346

(58:24):
US patents.
Wow More patent applicationsrelated to a range of
technologies, from actualcomputer and portable devices to
user interfaces, includingtouch-based speakers, keyboards,
power adapters, clasps, sleeves, lanyards and packages.
Bill Gates said I am trulysaddened to learn of Steve Jobs'

(58:46):
death.
Melinda and I extend oursincere condolences to his
family and friends and toeveryone Steve has touched
through his work.
Steve and I first met nearly 30years ago and have been
colleagues, competitors andfriends over the course of more
than half of our lives.
The world rarely sees someonewho has had the profound impact

(59:08):
Steve has had, the effects ofwhich will be felt for many
generations to come.
For those of us lucky enough toget to work with him, it's been
an insanely great honor.
I will miss Steve immensely.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Wow, that's really nice.
Nice, I mean, and it's true,that's what I was thinking, like
it's a shame he went so early,like he's so brilliant.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Imagine I know you don't like apple, but imagine
what other things he could havecreated a hundred percent like
it was what did we miss out on?

Speaker 2 (59:38):
because cancer took him.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
I mean.
Apple revolutionized the phonesand computer.
You know home computers andprobably him and Bill Gates
pushing each other.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Right, exactly.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
I mean, really moved us forward technologically.
Tablets, laptops the way we getour music oh everything yeah,
everything yeah the way we, youknow, interface with the
internet and right.
I mean, and you know, they saynow that that this phone that
you hold in your hand now hasmore power than the computer.
They used to send man to themoon and you just carry it

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around in your pocket all dayyeah, and I've thought that of
cell phones for years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Like we have personal computers in our pockets, Like
how cool is that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
And unfortunately, you know, you really have become
to rely on it.
I know I have because, again,I've had to replace this phone
like four times, and every timeit's like two days without it
and I have no, I can't Right.
I don't have a landline anymore, so it's all right.
I can't bank.
I have no idea how much money Ihad in the bank.

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I mean, it's all, it's, it's.
I don't know if it's good orbad but, it is it just is it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
It is what it is.
I mean, people were terrifiedof electricity when it came
around, so true it's just, it'scrazy how fast it was I mean, it
is like you're reading throughthe years while you were going
through your notes and like, allright, this year this and this
year this next huge thing, andthen the very next year this
great, big, giant thing, andthen and it just kept coming and

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coming and coming.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
It's just, it's crazy because I and before I had, I
mean, I knew that that gates hadgiven money to apple and I knew
I had always known that, um,just because I know a lot of
apple people and it was reallyfun to just stick that in there
because they do hate it.
They just they don't like, theydon't like it at all.
Um, but I did not realize howfar back they went.

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I always thought they werecompetitors.
I did not realize that they hadbeen, yeah, in business
together, yeah, so that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Well, it was one of those things where they were
smart enough to realize thatwhen one succeeds, they both
succeed a hundred percent so itdidn't do bill gates any good to
have Steve Jobs fall away.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
He needed that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Well, and he needed that too, because he, at that
point, was the only hit.
It was Apple and Microsoftgoing to take it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, he would have had no competition.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
And that's exactly so .
He would have gotten slappedwith a lot of fines.
Monopolies yeah, for monopolyyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
So he needed it.
It wasn't his fault.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
There wasn't anybody else as smart as him, no, but he
needed apple, yeah and so youknow his investment in apple was
smart because it stopped fromhim having to to pay monopoly
taxes or whatever you get forbeing a monopoly.
And he probably still is amonopoly, because I'm pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Right, but then he was able to sell his stuff to
Apple with Microsoft Office,which is huge, because I have an
Apple phone for work andobviously we use Microsoft.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Office.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
So being able to access that when I'm not with my
work computer is very veryuseful it is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
It is, you know it's a good thing.
I guess I don't have any likeissues there.
I did not do a lot of the.
This was all mostly the techiestuff.
It wasn't that, you know, andboth of them, gates and steve
jobs, stepped on a lot of peopleto get where they were well,
yeah, all rich people sure youknow.

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So which I don't know I'm, Iwon't always rub me wrong yeah,
that's the problem because theyalways think they have to be
fancier.
I stand my ground on certainthings too so, before I get
myself in any more eye troublewith this eye nonsense, yes,
with the eye nonsense and moreeye trouble With this eye
nonsense yes, with the eyenonsense and the eye trouble,

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because I do still have iTunesand I do still have a MacBook.
I have a MacBook.
If it's so old now it won'tupdate its operating system, but
you know they do go forever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yeah, and you've always been down with Apple
computers.
I feel like Apple laptops.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
There was a while when I had to go with non-Apple
because I couldn't afford itRight.
So I did go with, so I can useMicrosoft and stuff like that
Right, but I do use Applecomputer a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Computer, yeah, it's the phones more so that.
Right, but I do, I do use Applecomputer, computer.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah, it's the phones .
More so that you have thephones I have an issue with.
Yeah.
Because it is a racket.
Like I said, my, my iBook orwhatever it is is really old,
like and it it just within thelast like two operating systems
will not update operating systemso and it's probably gosh.
I want to say it's like 15years old.
Oh yeah, so I can't reallycomplain about it too much

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because their computers werewill run forever.
It's just the phones that bugme because they're kind of
throwaways.
Yeah, that is true.
And then now recently, and thenthe other sticking point I have
have with them is that chargerthing where they would not
relent about that charger untilrecently.

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It just bugs me, like justeverybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
It is annoying Because you go to somebody.
Do you have a charger?

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Yeah, Okay, do you need an Apple?
I don't know, it just makes itwhatever.
That's neither here nor there.
We've gone on way too long nowabout shit.
I don't know it just makes itwhatever.
That's neither here nor there.
We've gone on way too long nowabout shit I don't know anything
about.
Uh, so thanks for listening tomy boring ass.
Apple.
This is.
This is the the thing about thetwo of us like I love the nerdy

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shit and she loves the funstuff.
So, with us going back andforth like I don't know, every
other week is going to be youmight just like every other
episode it depends on if you'rein whatever you pick and choose
theone yeah, you don't have to.
Some of it's boring if you'renot down with fun.
Just fast forward through me ifyou're not down with fun you oh

(01:05:55):
, I know I hate fun.
Nobody should have fun.
Screw fun anyway.
Um, thanks for listening.
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Or don't like whatever whatever.
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Bye.