Gender? It's Just A Jump To The Left

Slip into your fishnet stockings and get ready to do the Time Warp! We're celebrating the 50th anniversary of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, the boundary-pushing cult classic that transformed from theatrical flop to cultural phenomenon through the power of midnight screenings and passionate fandom.

From the creative genius of Richard O'Brien (who played Riff Raff and wrote the original stage show) to Tim Curry's magnetic performance as Dr. Frank-N-Furter, we explore how this quirky horror musical tribute became one of cinema's most enduring experiences. Did you know Susan Sarandon filmed while seriously ill on freezing sets? Or that the skeleton in the iconic clock was real? We dive into fascinating behind-the-scenes stories about costume designs, production challenges, and the famous lips that open the film.

Originally titled "They Came From Denton High" and rejected by critics, Rocky Horror found its audience through audience participation. What other film inspires viewers to dress up, shout callbacks, and throw props at the screen? As one of the first mainstream productions to showcase fluid gender identities, the film's message of self-expression continues to resonate with generation after generation of viewers.

As original stars Barry Bostwick, Nell Campbell, and Patricia Quinn embark on a 50th anniversary tour across North America, we reflect on how Rocky Horror transcended its B-movie inspirations to become a celebration of outsiders everywhere. Whether you're a veteran who's seen hundreds of midnight screenings or a curious "virgin" who's never experienced the Time Warp, join us for this deep dive into the sweet transvestite from Transexual, Transylvania who changed cinema forever.

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for, by and
about Gen X.
I'm Nicole and this is my BFF,heather.
Hello, so we were talking aboutwhat we could chat about here
before we started, and neitherof us came up with much.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's not a good week guys.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's not.
Yeah, we're both just notfeeling it today, but we're
hoping to give you some goodcontent anyway, my face hurts, I
got a jaw issue, I guess.
Nicole's.
Sad I am, my mental health isin the toilet this week, but
that's all right.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
But that's why we do this, yeah, yeah, so that we can
cheer ourselves up, exactly, Imean, the Eagles won this week.
They did, and it was anexciting, exciting three seconds
at the end there.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
It was a crazy game, it was a crazy game and the
really fun part is I getPhiladelphia News.
It was a crazy game.
It was a crazy game and thereally fun part is I get
Philadelphia News.
So they're interviewingPhillies fans afterward and they
were like, oh, I always keptthe faith I knew.
And even the news commentatorswere like you're Phillies fans,
you gave up on that.
So long ago and hated the team.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, I was hooking the dog up to take him out and I
was like, well, they blockedone, they're not gonna block
another one, so I'll hook him upas soon as this goes through,
then I'll just take him out.
And then I was like oh, andthen the poor dog, he does not
like to watch football with mebecause I yell too much.
The cats are the same way so hegoes and lays in the bathroom in
his bed and so he's now hookedto the the leash and I'm

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screaming and he's like I can'tget away oh, my god.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
And then the uh davis , jordan davis, was that his
name?
I don't know.
I know, davis, davis, yeah, heuh.
They interviewed him afterwardtoo and it was so funny because
he's like 390 pounds and hetalks with a lisp and he's just
so cute.
They said he clocked like 18.7miles an hour.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Wow, which is really fast for a dude.
That big yeah, and it wasalmost well.
How far was the field goal?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I think they were on like the 40.
So 60 yard.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, that's not bad.
Yeah, I couldn not bad.
Yeah, I couldn't do a 10 yarddash yeah.
So let's see what else oh I sawa TikTok the other day that was
like if you had, if somebodywould give you $2 million to
walk around the no, $20 millionto walk around the mall for two

(03:03):
minutes or run around the mallfor 20 minutes naked, would you
do it?
And the girl was like, look for$20 million.
There's not a whole lot ofplaces that I would not go naked
, but I'm not running anywhere,I will saunter around for 20
minutes.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Speaking of TikTok, I heard that the rapture is was
is supposed to happen?
Today yeah, we got a couplehours left.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yes, I, I don't know.
I heard that it's supposed tohappen at five o'clock tonight.
5, 30, 5, 37 seems awfullyspecific this is tuesday, by the
way so if you're here on thisfriday.
It didn't happen, no or youcouldn't get chosen, which I'm
gonna guess if you're listeningto this, you probably weren't
gonna get chosen anyway I knowI'm not, but yeah, I haven't

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seen anybody, um nobody chestout arms back, floating up into
the sky no, and I was a littleconcerned because I was afraid
traffic might be an issue.
But but then I remembered whereI deliver mail and I was like,
oh, nobody from there is gettingchosen, so it should be fine.
No, no traffic issues.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, so when I don't watch his show but I like him,
Jimmy Kimmel will be backtonight.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Thank goodness that First Amendment was not just
completely violated.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I've been taking Tylenol to give myself more
autism than I already have.
That shit's pissing me off.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
If you can't say the word acetaminophen, you have no
business giving guidance onacetaminophen True story, yeah,
oh, and, by the way, autism wasaround before Tylenol was.
I just feel bad for the babiesof the women who are going to

(04:59):
buy this crap, because actuallyhaving a high fever when you're
pregnant, which is common, isextremely dangerous to the baby.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
You basically will cook its brain well, and it's
very dangerous for newborns too,because they get fevers too.
And tylenol it's what?
Tylenol?
And what's the other one yougive them, like every motrin?
Yeah, yep, I mean, my nephewhad febrile seizures and so she,
as soon as his temperaturewould start going up, she was

(05:29):
pumping him full.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's notautistic.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
You can actually have a miscarriage if your fever
gets too high.
Yeah, so listen to thescientists and the doctors
please, they went to school forall those years for a reason,
yeah I just, I don't even knowanymore it's what is happening.
I don't either.
I just want it to be over I gota tattoo this week oh, that's

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right, you did I treated myselffor my birthday.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Treat yourself.
I did treat myself.
My birthday is two days afterthis airs, so I got myself a
tattoo and it hurt like asumbitch and it is now itchy as
all hell.
We are healing and we areleaving skin debris everywhere.

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You know, I have a lot oftattoos and you'd think at this
point, yeah, the getting thetattoo itself isn't the worst
part oh no, this one was prettybad yeah, I've had them done on
my chest.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
It is super painful, yeah I couldn't sleep.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I got it done thursday.
Yeah, I got it done thursday.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Thursday night was brutal, I mean brutal because
you're a side sleeper too right,I'm a stomach sleeper and it is
right on my chest and it wasjust I couldn't let, I couldn't
get comfortable.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
And then when I did, I was sticking to everything,
and then it was just thesacrifices we make.
I know, but it's so pretty, Ilove it so much.
And he covered up one that Ihave been wanting to cover up
for a very long time.
I'm not one of those that arelike I'm gonna get my.

(07:12):
I hate my tattoos because thatwas literally the only one I
actually just did not likelooking at and even that I could
, I was gonna live with it, justright.
But I'm glad he was.
He said because I was like,well, if you can, and he's like,
well, how close do you want toget to that rose?
And I was like, eventually, I'dlike to get that rose covered
up.
And he was like I love doingcover-ups and I was like have at

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it.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Uh, communication is a lovely thing, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I've had that thing since I was like 18.
So it's probably my secondtattoo, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Nice yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
So that's that, before we dive in, we want to
take a moment to acknowledgethat September is Suicide
Prevention Awareness.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Month this year, the 988 Lifeline removed its
dedicated LGBTQ plus supportoption, which is not just
disappointing, it's dangerous.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
So here's the deal If you're struggling, you are not
alone.
The 988 Suicide and CrisisLifeline is still available 24-7
.
Just dial or text 988 for freeconfidential support from
trained counselors.

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And if you're LGBTQ plus and want to talk to someone
who gets it, the Trevor Projectis here for you.
You can call 1-866-488-7386,text START to 678678, or visit
the Trevor Project's ResourceCenter for chat and support.

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You matter, you're loved andwe're so damn glad you're here.

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We can set up two phones.
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We do, we do.
I gave one to a work colleaguethis week and she put it right
on her water bottle.
Oh cool, I know it's veryexciting.
All right, so let's fuck aroundand find out about the 50th
anniversary.
Rocky Horror Picture Show 50years old, wow, yeah, it's crazy

(10:02):
, I know.
So I got my sources fromScreenRantcom, britannicacom and
RockyHorrorcom, alrighty, soI'm sure I would think that most
of our listeners would haveseen this movie.

(10:22):
If you haven't, what the fuckare you doing exactly?
I watched it again like twoweeks ago and it's just so good.
It's so good anyway.
Uh, all right, let's getstarted.
Okay, I'm ready, I'm ready togo.
The rocky Rocky Horror PictureShow musical comedy horror film

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was released in 1975, and it hasgained a cult following.
It was directed by Jim Sharmanand written by Sharman and
Richard O'Brien.
The film and the stage musicalon which it was based is a
tribute to B-movies of the 1930sto 60s in the horror and
science fiction genres.

(11:07):
My tongue is not cooperatingtoday.
The Rocky Horror Picture Showcame out of the 1960s
counterculture in the UnitedStates, canada and Western
Europe, and it was one of thefirst musicals to include
characters who had fluid genderidentities, and it was one of
the first musicals to includecharacters who had fluid gender

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identities.
It is remarkable for the levelof worship and obsession it
inspires in fans, who create animmersive environment at
screenings.
As of 2025, it has continued tohave limited screenings and may
be considered one of thelongest-running theatrical
releases in film history.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
You know you never really think of that, but yeah,
I mean it's pretty universallyloved and there's a lot of yeah
inclusivity yes, yes, I mean itis dirty and they that nothing
is off limits in that movie didyou know?
I just did.
I learned this the other day.
Um, we were on youtube, forwhatever reason, and, um, they

(12:06):
did the 20 things you didn'tknow about the movie legend.
Do you remember the movielegend with tom cruise?
Anyway, I was asked do you haveyou seen it?
And one time I saw it and Ihate, hate, hate, with the fire
and passion of a Thousand SunsTom Cruise.
But I found out that RichardO'Brien was supposed to be in it

(12:30):
.
Yes, I want to say as the witch, yeah, which is hilarious
because, as we know, tim Curryis darkness and man.
That man is brilliant.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
He really is All right, no-transcript.

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An old professor, Brad, andJanet's car breaks down and they
seek help at the castle of thesexually ambiguous Dr
Frankenfurter.
During the night they spend inthe castle, Brad and Janet are
thrown into a series ofincreasingly bizarre events
involving Dr Frankenfurter andthe other inhabitants of the
castle, all of them monstrous.

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The young couple are forcedinto a journey of self-discovery
about love, life and lust.
The music is inspired by glamrock and its gothic quality is
underscored by the illusions ofFrankenstein's monster.
For example, the blonde,muscular, tanned, rocky horror
is a creation of DrFrankenfurter.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
The soundtrack is just amazing, and I hate
musicals.
I know I keep saying that Ihate musicals and then I'm like,
oh wait, but most of myfavorite movies are, in fact,
musicals.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
You just don't like onstage musicals.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I think I just don't like Grease.
You think that's what it reallyboils down to or the Wizard of
Oz.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I know One of my favorites.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
I know I'm in the minority.
I understand that.
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
All right, so I listed the characters.
I think we already went throughsome of them, but Riff Raff is
Richard O'Brien, who is one ofthe creators of the movie.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
He has my favorite line.
What is it?
They didn't like me.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
They never liked me.
I get a new favorite line everytime I watch this movie, and
this time it was Frank.
Converter says it's not easyhaving a good time.
Even smiling makes my face achethere's just great lines, just
through the so many great lines.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I mean, I think I probably quote this movie more
than I actually think about I do, but that one that they didn't
like me, they never liked me isjust hands.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I say it all the time and then, of course, uh, eddie,
uh, who was meatloaf greatcharacter yeah, absolutely.
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The Rocky Horror Show stagemusical on which the film is
based first premiered in June1973 at the Royal Court Theatre

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in London before it wastransferred to the West End.
The Rocky Horror Show was thenstaged in Los Angeles, on
Broadway in Sydney and in otherlocations in the United States
and Australia.
The show was written by RichardO'Brien riffraff and directed
by Jim Sharman.
The movie's cast includes someof the original members of the

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musical, among them Curry as DrFrankenfurter and O'Brien as
riffraff.
The Rocky Horror Picture Showfilm performed poorly on release
and was pulled from theaters.
However, it later gained a cultfollowing after being released
as a midnight movie, which was apractice of screening
non-mainstream films at midnightin a counterculture setting.

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For all the weirdos Freaks comeout at night.
Exactly, for all the weirdosFreaks come out at night,
exactly, at a theater in NewYork the midnight screenings

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became noted for enthusiasticstandalone movie theater in the
middle of a parking lot of astrip mall.
I think it used to be a bigmovie theater and then it just
went into disarray.
It did so.
I worked there as a bartender,and the bar was actually inside
of the theater.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
It was such a cool concept, such a great idea, and
I just don't understand why itdoesn't take off more, because
it was a fucking amazing conceptit was.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
We had like snack bar type kitchen where you could
order food Like a burger.
You could get like a burger,chicken fingers, french fries,
your drinks are right there.
There was a waitress, youdidn't have to get up and miss
any movie Like it was awesome.
But the guy just invested hismoney poorly.
He spent astronomical amountson things that he could have

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spent less on.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Well, I've heard that they've tried them in other
places and they just don't gowell either, and I just don't
understand it.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
I don't understand it literally the whole date.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
You don't have to go anywhere else.
Right, it's dinner and themovie right, all at one time.
Right come on exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
You don't have to wonder which part of the movie.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
You can jump up and run out and get something you
need, or whatever, and tap thatthey were all movies that you
had seen a million times before.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
So yep I don't know exactly it's a great concept.
Yep, but on Friday nights wedid Rocky Horror and it was the
whole props, dress up,everything.
But my favorite part of thewhole thing was at the beginning
.
They would announce thebartender and everybody would
scream and cheer for me.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
I'm so fancy.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's the best, I know.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
The soundtrack that I had on cassette was the
audience participation version.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Oh nice, yeah, All righty, let's see In a New
Orleans theater wait, in atheater in New Orleans, rather a
moviegoer dressed as thecharacter Eddie and rode a
motorbike down the aisles duringEddie's song Hot Patootie.
That would have been fun to see.
Midnight showings of the filmacross the US now include many

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of these traditions, from shadowcast to call and responses to
props that are thrown at certaincues.
The Rocky Horror Picture Showgrossed about $115 million in
the years after its release.
It continues to earn revenuesin its extended theatrical run
and fresh screenings and isregarded as a pop culture

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phenomenon.
Yep, I would say it's the popculture phenomenon.
Agreed, I can't think ofanything that would help do it.
No, robert Ebert once wrotethat the Rocky Horror Picture
Show was less a movie and moreof a social phenomenon.
This is probably the mostaccurate way to describe the
1975 rock musical, as it justisn't an ordinary film.

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First released to a less thanstellar reception, rocky Horror
eventually found long-lastingfame from an unlikely source
audience participation.
Its original theatrical rundidn't garner much praise, but
the film came into its own whentheaters began showing it at
midnight screenings, nowinfamous for the almost

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ritualistic ways the audiencedresses, shouts and flings
objects at the screen.
Rocky Horror is a legend ofcult cinema, one of the few
movies that has earned the titleagain and again.
The film follows what appears tobe a wholesome couple, which is
Brad and Janet.
Damn it, janet, I love you.

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As they stay the night at aspooky old mansion known by Dr
Frankenfurter.
At a spooky old mansion knownby Dr Frankenfurter, what ensues
is a celebration of kitsch,camp horror and science fiction
cinema.
A musical that makes verylittle logical sense but is a
ton of fun.
It's funny.
When I watched it the othernight I was like I never even

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connected it with a storyline.
Right, really it's just aseries of crazy stuff and songs.
But I had seen um a coupleweeks ago.
One of the uh weekend morningnews shows did a big thing on it
because it does turn 50 thismonth um, and they were talking
about the storyline of like ummeatloaf is a delivery guy that

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they kill and put well, they puthim in the freezer and the old
man who shows up in thewheelchair is his dad looking
for him.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, and if you also notice in the beginning of the
movie, at the church, riff, raff, frank, they're all in the
church too.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yep, yep.
So yeah, I mean I'm sure Ipicked up on that somewhere, but
it's not what I watched themovie for.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I think that you pick up something new every time.
A because I think as you getolder you understand some of the
humor a little bit better, true, yeah?
So I feel like that because Iknow for the longest time it
never occurred to me the lineabout the.
He thought you were the candyman.
They never really.
And then one one day I was likeoh, now I get jokes.

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So even though I'm slow or itjust Well, it's a lot to take in
.
It is a lot to take in and Ifeel like every time you watch
it you get a little somethingnew out of it.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yes, absolutely Naturally.
A film like that has to have ariveting story behind the scenes
.
Written by Richard O'Brien anddirected by Jim Sharman, the
Rocky Horror Picture Show hasjust as many crazy details
behind the camera as in front ofit.
Those details will be counteddown here and we'll get straight
to it as we can see, youtremble with anticipation.

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He is so sexy in that movie too.
I just I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Tim curry should just go into some kind of hall of
fame somewhere, all over all ofhis own.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yes, the tim curry hall of fame yes and you have to
be tim curry to be yeah, theonly one that is allowed in
there.
I love it all right, so um.
In lieu of fun facts, I justdid crazy details of behind the
making of it.
Um, so it originally had adifferent title.

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The original stage version ofthe movie had a whirlwind
creative process, with RichardO'Brien whipping up the show
with his artist and actorfriends fairly quickly.
As it happens, they wereoriginally rehearsing the show
under a different title.
It was called they Came fromDenton High due to the story
being set somewhere near DentonTexas.

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From Denton High due to thestory being set somewhere near
Denton Texas.
Obviously that didn't last, butO'Brien and the director Sherman
didn't change it until the verylast minute.
Sherman suggested the namechange just before previews of
the stage show based on thegenres they were spoofing.
Thus was the Rocky Horror Showborn.

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Only the movie had the extrapicture in the title, naturally,
of course, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
All right.
Brad and Janet were replaced isthe next little fun fact, brad
and Janet.
The cast of Rocky Horror ismostly unchanged from the stage

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show to the movie.
Richard O'Brien and Jim Sharmankept their creative team mostly
intact too.
So when you're watching themovie it should really feel like
you're seeing a filmed versionof the stage show, which I think
is very true.
Yes, aside from the highprofile cameo from meatloaf and
a few other replacements.
The protagonists were alsoswitched out I guess that's true

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.
Meatloaf was probably like thebiggest one at the time oh yeah,
out of any of them, yeah, hewas probably the only one that
was really famous because heprobably had already had, like
paradise by the dashboard lightsand yep for sure and he'll do
anything for love he will, hewon't, he won't do that.
Um.
The original actors for bradand janet wanted to reprise

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their roles, but studioexecutives at fox felt they
needed two us actors in thoseparts to help sell the movie.
Rocky horror fans can'tcomplain, as barry bostwick and
susan sarandon did a great jobas Brad and Janet, but we feel
for those two original actorswhose roles were taken from them
.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
But come on, that was her first movie, right, susan
Sarandon.
Yeah, she was like what, 19 orsomething yeah and she goes on
to do all those other movies.
That's just like.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I know she's amazing too.
All right, the story behind thelips?
I know this one.
Everyone who has seen the rockyhorror picture show, not to
mention plenty of people whohave only seen the poster, are
familiar with the lips that openthe film.
This iconic image is actuallythe product of several people
working together, rather thanjust one actress.

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The lips that appear in thefilm are Patricia Quinns, who
played Magenta, but she's onlylip syncing the song Science
Fiction Double Feature, eventhough she did it in the show.
The singer is actually creatorRichard O'Brien, and the lips on

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that famous poster are those ofsomebody else entirely, former
model, lorelei shark.
Um, the costume designer didn'twant to do it weird not gonna
do it.
costume designer sue blaine iscredited with much of the rocky

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horror picture show's lastingappeal, thanks to her designs
that spoofed the traditions ofcinema and leaned heavily into
camp.
The movie wouldn't be the samewithout her, but it almost had
to do just that, as she wasn'tinterested in the project at
first.
In fact, blaine herself saysthat it took director Jim
Sharman meeting with herpersonally and getting her tipsy

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before she saw the light.
Blaine didn't like the idea ofdoing a silly project for very
little money, but when she foundout Tim Curry and a bunch of
her other favorite colleaguesand friends were already
committed to the show, sherelented.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
I mean, it's really not much to the costumes on the
main cast, because Brad andJanet are in their underwear,
like the majority of the movie,and then Frank is in his
underwear, rocky.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Horror is in his underwear.
Yeah, a lot of people in theirunderwear, yeah mostly
everybody's in their underwear.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, maid costume.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Lil' Nell is in that.
Crazy ass Like what's thatoutfit about?

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Made costume.
Lil' Nell is in that crazy ass.
Like what's that outfit about?
That looks like you know thatoutfit.
Looks like she was in a dancerecital the day before and was
just so excited about hercostume.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Maybe that's what happened, maybe All right.
Next, tim Curry wasn't new tocorsets.
I'm not surprised at all.
Tim Curry has a long andstoried career on the stage and
screen and his rise toprominence came largely thanks
to the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Given that it was his first hitmovie role, people tend to

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forget that Curry wasn't acomplete rookie.
Curry had actually starred in asimilar stage show before
originating the role ofFrankenfurter in Rocky Horror's
stage incarnation.
Let's see.
He had also worn a corset inthe production of the Maids.
Costume designer Sue Blaine hadworked that same production For

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Rocky Horror.
Blaine says she simply askedthe theater for the same corset
for Curry to wear.
Naturally, blaine remarked thatCurry took to the corset like a
duck to water.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Which is not easy to do.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
No Male or female.
Susan Sarandon's sickness.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I do Cinema can be a fickle thing Susan Sarandon's
sickness.
I did Yep.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Cinema can be a fickle thing.
While you'd expect film sets tobe Glamorous affairs With every
possible amenity available tothe actors, you would
occasionally be very wrong.
The Rocky Horror Picture ShowWas no picnic to make, as the
cast and crew had to endureUnheated sets while filming
scenes in pools.
This might not sound like a bigdeal, but it was for susan

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sarandon, who fell ill duringproduction.
The filmmakers had nothing butkind words for her after her
gritty effort to push throughwith the work, as they mentioned
that she was literally shakingwith fever on set but kept on
going in spite of that.
Damn girl.
That's right girl.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
I got toothache and I just don't want to lay in a
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Speaker 2 (30:45):
Originally, rocky was supposed to talk.
Sometimes you've just got toimprovise when you're making a
film.
While the creative team behindthe Rocky Horror Picture Show
might have thought they had theperfect casting when they got
Peter Hinwood to play thecharacter of rocky horror, they
changed their minds when theyfound out he was a model who had
zero acting experience.

(31:06):
Duh, rocky horror originallyhad dialogue in the film, but
after watching henwood act,charman and o'brien elected to
remove all his speaking partsand that's gotta be pretty bad
when you are like supposed to beFrankenstein's monster.
It worked, though Like I can'timagine him talking.

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No, it would have been verydifferent.
Another singer dubbed over thecharacter singing parts, so
Henwood's voice never actuallyshows up in the film.
Clearly they were in love withhis looks, but not the way he
sounded.
He was pretty Rocky, doctor.
God, Did you know you can booka room where it was filmed?

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
I think I also read that they're going to be showing
it on their tour in AtlanticCity.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
I did not At the.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Borgata.
Anyway, I'll look into that,all right.
The Rocky Horror Picture Showwas filmed at Oakley Court in
England, a castle that had beenhost to several horror films in
its past.
While it may not have been themost welcoming place for the
film crew in 1975, because atthe time it didn't have heating
and very few bathrooms it wasdoing it's doing a better job

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nowadays.
Oakley Court is now a ritzyhotel, allowing guests to stay
in the location that was thehome to many of their favorite
spooky movies from days gone by.
Nowadays, of course, the hoteladvertises its proximity to
Legoland more than it does itsconnection to film history, but
we'd like to think that thereare still a few Rocky Horror

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fans that make the trip.
If it doesn't look anythinglike what it did when they
filmed it, not interested, whatdo I need to go there for?
This is where it used to be.
Looks nothing like it.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
You can't do the time warp in here.
Where it used to be Looksnothing like it.
Can't do the time warp in here,exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
There was a David Bowie connection.
This might seem unrelated tothe Rocky Horror Picture Show,
but it isn't.
Pierre LaRoche was one of thecreative forces behind David
Bowie's now iconic ZiggyStardust look.
But that wasn't the onlyinfluential job the makeup
artist held.
Laroche was also the personfilm producers turned to when

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they wanted a makeup redesignfor the characters of Rocky
Horror.
While soon Blaine gets thelion's share of the credit for
the characters designs in thefilm, we shouldn't forget that
it was Pierre LaRoche whoactually came up with the makeup
designs.
Laroche who actually came upwith the makeup designs.
Though the makeup is a touchmore subtle than costumes, it's
one of the main reasons thevisuals of the film are so fun

(33:45):
to watch.
And I don't think the makeup wassubtle.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
No, I was just thinking that when you said that
, I was like I don't recall itbeing particularly subtle.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, even Riff Raff, who didn't have it like Dr
Frankenfurter, but that took alot of makeup to make him that
pale and like, yeah, tired anddead kind of looking.
Yeah, so Meatloaf did notactually drive the motorcycle.
What Right right singer andoccasional actor meatloaf has a

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memorable turn in rocky horroras eddie, the delivery boy and
partially brain, partial braindonor to rocky, who is
tragically stabbed byfrankenfurter.
Eddie gets a fun entrancebursting out of the freezer on a
motorcycle.
But the problem is thatmeatloaf didn't actually ride
that motorcycle.
Aside from a few less dangerouswide shots, meatloaf left the
actual driving to a stuntman, ashe says.
He didn't feel comfortabledoing anything risky on it.

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He wasn't as badass as wethought he was.
I'm scared of motorcycles.
For the close-up shots thatneeded to look like Eddie was on
the motorcycle.
The crew rigged up a wheelchairfor Meatloaf to ride.
That way, safety didn't need tobe sacrificed.
Uh, or that was the theoryanyway, as the wheelchair didn't

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turn out to be that safe anyway, it would have been better off
just driving a motorcycle allright.
On set injuries though it wasn'tjim sharman's debut feature,
the rocky Horror Picture Showwas not a film staffed by the
most experienced team.
This is perhaps reflected bestby the apparently high number of
on-set injuries that occurred,even ignoring the on-set

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illnesses, including Sarandon's.
In the same interview, meatloafdescribes an incident that
happened while he was sitting inhis wheelchair, where it fell
off a ramp on the set, shattereda camera, caused a few cuts on
Meatloaf's face and arm and snapsnapped a stand-ins leg into.
He would have been better offon the motorcycle.

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While some efforts were made forsafety, injuries Ken Rampart
even with the wheelchair.
The skeleton in the clock wasreal.
Injuries can rampart, even withthe wheelchair.
The skeleton in the clock wasreal.
One of the single most famousprops of all in Rocky Horror is
the skeleton clock, a coffinthat has a clock face set on the

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front.
The reveal that there is askeleton inside the coffin is a
fun moment in the movie, but thefilmmakers dropped another
bombshell in later years.
The skeleton inside was real.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Do you know that the skeletons in Poltergeist were
also real in the pool at the end?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I don't think I knew that.
Yeah, they are real.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
They are real skeletons, they're real dead
people.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You know what.
Maybe I do know that because Ithink wasn't the actress that
was in there like traumatizedfrom it.
Yes, because they were real.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, I forget where they got them.
They got them from like thelocal morgue, I guess.
I don't know, probably like amedical school I've been trying
to find out where you get realpeople skeletons for decades now
, and I have yet to.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well, there's lots of graveyards around here, I know,
but you've got to, except forone who died at one.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Okay, look but you've got to dig them up.
Number one, number two, theyhave to all be in vaults around
here.
So yeah, then you've got to gothrough concrete and then is
there embalming.
So then you've got to wait likehow many years?
Because some people you pullthem up and they're like, just
like it was yesterday.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, you'd have to find somebody who's been down
there like 20 years, more thanthat Sometimes.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, sometimes they pull them back up and it's like
you.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, do they still stink.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
No, because they embalmed them.
Oh, it stops the decaying, Iguess, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, the skeleton clock actually lived on past the
film.
In 2002, sotheby's AuctionHouse in London sold the clock
for an exorbitant sum of £35,000.
Adjusting for inflation, thatwould be approximately $63,000

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today.
I don't feel like that that's alot of money for that.
I don't think so either.
Um, even true rocky horror fansmight bulk at that price if the
real human remains insideweren't a turn oh, are they a
turn off?

Speaker 3 (38:08):
okay, first of all, I do know where you can get not a
full skeleton, but I do knowthat some people can and have
sold human remains and bodyparts and bones on a couple of
the Facebook pages I'm involvedin, and they can't say what they
actually are because in somestates it is actually illegal

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and in order to get around theFacebook algorithms, they have
to use other words for them.
Anyhow, they're extremelyexpensive to get a real skeleton
.
There's also a guy who you candonate your cranium to that will
.
He takes pieces of it andetches on it and then he sells

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it as jewelry, which is alsoextremely expensive.
It as jewelry, which is alsoextremely expensive.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
So, for me, $63,000 with a clock and a full skeleton
does not seem like a lot.
And a coffin, exactly yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Doesn't seem like a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
It's three presents in one, exactly.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
It's like a Russian nesting doll, only better.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Did you know that Steve Martin auditioned for Brad
?

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Oh geez, Louise, no.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
I can see him playing that part, but he would not
have been right for that part.
No, Whatever you think of BarryBoswick's performance as Brad
in the Rocky Horror Picture Show, have you ever considered how
different it might have been ifanother actor had taken on the
role?
Well, according to rumors andstories, even repeated by the
likes of Newsday Newsday, itmust be true.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Is it on the internet ?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
The role almost went to Steve Martin.
Given that Martin went on tostar in a fairly similar musical
movie, musical Little Shop ofHorrors, this shouldn't be too
big a surprise.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Oh yeah, I fucking love that movie, I know.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Feed me, Seymour.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
God, they just don't make movies like that anymore.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
No, they don't.
Martin apparently auditionedfor the role of Bradad but lost
out to bostwick.
Maybe he played the antagonistin little shop of horrors as a
way to soothe the hurt ofrejection.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I think he's a little too physical slapstick I don't
think he's enough of a straightman, yeah because, like barry
bostwick is a very like right,he is definitely that even when
he was on oh, what was he on?
He was on spin city, yes, andhe was a uh, I think he was a

(40:48):
pretty good straight man tomichael j fox's yeah yeah,
exactly later yeah, it was goodgonna go on more, but you can no
, because I'm gonna do that alittle later.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Okay, um, all right.
So it got terrible reviews whenit first came out.
Uh, nowadays the rocky horrorpicture show is viewed as one of
the greatest classics ofmidnight culture cult cinema, um
, as its popularity has onlygrown amongst its fans since its
release.
But to become a cult hit, youusually have to be a theatrical
flop, isn't that true?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
It's crazy, right?
I mean I guess it's like so badthat it's.
But I feel like it's not a badmovie, Like it's not like your
typical.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
B movie.
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I thinkit's a great movie.
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I thinkit's a great movie, I guess
because it's just like analternative, like just so far
outside of the box.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
that that's why I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I don't know, and maybe they're talking about like
professional movie reviewers.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
I guess Right, I'm no , I never agree, but they
probably have a moresophisticated taste Plus I guess
at that time what were you?
You were going up against Jawsand you know Rocky and the
Godfather and all that.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
And I'd imagine, back in the mid-70s, the silhouette
of Frank and Ferder giving ahummer to Brad is probably not
something people were reallygood with.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
What is it rated?
I don't know what it's rated.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Gotta be R right.
I feel like R rated movies backthen were so bad.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Like it had to be bad to be an R rated movie.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, that's what I feel like, but I don't know.
I don't see why it wouldn't be.
You certainly wouldn't wantchildren watching it.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
No, it's not a kid's movie uh, let's see.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Some critics straight up hated it, um, when it was
first released and others simplyignored it, partially because
of the counterculture the filmrepresented and the lack of
conventional plot structure.
Some seemed offended it evenexisted.
I feel that Even today, manycritics view the film more as an

(43:13):
audience experience than agenuinely good movie, and I
totally disagree with that,because I sat in my living room
by myself on like a Saturdaynight and watched the whole
movie and I didn't need anytheatrical experience.
Nope, and I loved it, loved it.
I even text Heather about it.
Yeah, she did.
Frankenfurter's villainousinspiration the unquestionable

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star of the Rocky Horror PictureShow is Dr Frank-N-Furter.
The role played by Tim Curryoriginated on the London stage
and reprised in the film.
Even critics who didn't likethe film enjoyed Curry's assured
and magnetic performance.
That makes sense, given all thelarger-than-life figures Curry
took inspiration from to createthe character.
All the larger-than-lifefigures Curry took inspiration

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from to create the character.
Writer O'Brien describes Frankas a combination of Vlad the
Impaler and Cruella de Vil.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
It's right on.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Which makes a lot of sense.
But Curry didn't stop there.
On top of those villainousancestors, he added a posh
accent, said to be modeled onboth Queen, on Elizabeth II and
Curry's own mother.
That's one doozy of a mixturefor the role, and it worked to
perfection.
So, as I said earlier, it was astage show first.

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When O'Brien first set out totell his story, it was a work of
theater, as that was hisprimary area of expertise.
Thus the Rocky Horror PictureShow started out as the Rocky
Horror Show.
The picture part was added forthe film.
O'brien wrote the play in hisspare time, then gathered some
of his friends in London to helphim make it.

(44:51):
The play premiered at the RoyalCourt Theatre in London in 1973
, and it was an immediate hit.
Moving to larger venues soonafter.
The show ran for weeks andweeks and eventually attracted
the notice of producers even inHollywood.
This is the origin story forRocky Horror.
We wouldn't have the film ifthe London stage show hadn't

(45:15):
been so popular.
The London stage show hadn'tbeen so popular.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
I mean, I get that because I can see a stage crowd
would be more inclined to enjoyit.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, it all just kind of comes full circle
because it was hated as a moviebut it was loved as a stage show
, but the crowd could interact.
Even before that's what it was,you know you could laugh and
yeah you know, dance and justkind of all be in the moment
together with it.
So that makes sense for why itbecame a cult classic by having

(45:50):
the theatrical stuff.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Plus, you know, people who go to the piazza are
probably much more inclined tobe open-minded about the
characters than just to moveyour average every day.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
And it was probably a very funny live.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Oh, I bet.
Yeah, I have always wanted todo the live.
Yeah, they don't do it aroundhere.
They do the show on, likecoming up on Halloween, they
start doing it in a coupletheaters, but don't do like a
live well, they're doing a bigtour for the 50th year, so I'm

(46:29):
gonna get to that, but I willalso see if, um, it's gonna be
around here and we'll see whatwe can do.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I'm sure philadelphia or dc that's what I'm thinking
maybe even wilmington maybe um,so the writer of the film is
riffraff.
uh, given its reputation as oneof the true classes of cult,
cinema viewers today may notknow that the original writer,
playwright of the stage show,co-screenwriter of the movie and

(46:59):
riffraff in both, richardO'Brien had never professionally
written anything before thescript of Rocky Horror Picture
Show and its film adaptation,the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
That's amazing.
Like you've never writtenanything before Right?
And how crazy is your brain tocome up with that anything

(47:20):
before right?
And how crazy is your brain tocome up with that.
Like I watch, I watch some tvshows or movies and I'm just
like how does someone even thinkof that?

Speaker 1 (47:25):
but now this, especially like they didn't like
me, they never liked me it'sprobably what the whole movie's
based around.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
He just wanted to say yes and I.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
You know what, richard O'Brien?
I hear you Because that is thegreatest line ever and you gave
it to yourself.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Exactly so.
That's right.
Rocky Horror is a debut work bya person who never even wanted
to be a writer.
O'brien was living in London asan actor struggling to make
ends meet and mostly wrote itjust to keep himself occupied.
Luckily for him, the projectresonated with his artistic
friends and they helped him turnit into the phenomenon it

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became.
I'm going to guess there weredrugs involved.
Oh yeah, I thought it was thecandy man.
O'brien never thought the moviewould be a big deal.
Even when the Rocky HorrorPicture Show was making waves on
the London theater circuit, itnever registered with Richard
O'Brien that he might havecreated a real hit.

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In an interview O'Brien recallswhen producer Michael White
told him he thought this wouldbe something big, I said, oh,
that's nice and walked away.
It just didn't register For awhile.
It seems like O'Brien was rightto think that it wouldn't be a
big deal.
The film didn't do wellcommercially when it first came

(48:46):
out, despite the popularity ofthe play, and it looked like
that would be the end of theRocky Horror Story.
But midnight viewers began toflock to the showings known for
audience participation, and thefilm's long-lasting appeal
proved to be its greateststrength again feel like the
midnight crowd again is muchmore open yeah than your average

(49:13):
moviegoer yes they're thesophisticated ones yeah.
Not the snooty pooties.
No, the writer thinks it wassuccessful because it's childish
.
The Rocky Horror Picture Showwas originally written by a
young actor with no writingexperience who just wanted
something fun to occupy his time.
O'brien, the writer in question, thinks that this process lent

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the show a quality of childlikenaivete, which contributed to
its eventual popularity.
In an interview, o'brien saidthe show's innocence is very
endearing and not threatening.
Continuing he mentioned thatevery character in the show may
appear to be intelligent orsophisticated, but they're
really not Very true and itreally is.

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That really like stands outthat it was endearing and not
threatening Because, althoughthere was a lot of exploration
going on, in it.
I never felt uncomfortable orskeevy or like like I do in a
lot of movies when things happen.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I don't feel like it's problematic, no, it just Is
.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah yeah, it all seemed consensual.
Yes, especially Janet, she gota little buckled.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Well, I mean, I think we could see that coming.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
True, the quality allows youngviewers to identify with the
energy of the film, making itappear to be adolescent viewers.
O'brien thinks this may be thekey behind the social phenomenon
.
Originally it started in blackand white, which would have been

(50:55):
no fun in writing and directing.
Oh sorry.
The writing and directing teamof O'Brien and Sharman had a lot
of grand ideas for the filmadaptation of Rocky Horror, but
not all of them were allowed tocome to pass.
Chief among these was the planto film the opening section of

(51:15):
the film in black and white.
The film would have burst intocolor when frank and ferder made
his entrance.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Hmm, hold on I know now, now I might like that.
I might have liked that.
Yeah, because I mean really, ifyou think about it, it's really
not that bright of a movieuntil they go in and do the time
warp, I mean until they get theparty goers, and all that I

(51:43):
mean really is kind of a drab itis yeah, like the characters
are flashy, but yeah, the restis drab.
You know they're in the.
Yeah it's raining, y'all wet.
Yes, it's raining, y'all wet,it's raining.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Man, she was so good in that movie.
All right, everyone who hasseen the movie remembers that
scene.
Now imagine if it had thisadded bit of pizzazz, with the
first frame of color coming on,a shot of Tim Curry's lips.
Susan Sarandon lamented thatthey weren't allowed to make
this vision a reality, as studioexecutives rejected the idea

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due to budgetary concerns.
How expensive is it to makesomething in black and white?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I mean in the budget.
Really, I think it would becheaper.
Right, I know, right, that wasthe technology.
Right, I mean, that was the oldschool.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
I think it would be cheaper.
Right, I know, right, that wasthe technology Right.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I mean, that was the old school.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I think it would have been cheaper.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah.
So in celebration of the cultclassics 50th anniversary, the
original Brad, magenta andColumbia are hitting the road.
Rocky Horror Picture Show is ona 50th anniversary tour.
The road.

(53:04):
Rocky Horror Picture Show is ona 50th anniversary tour.
There's a new screening tourfeaturing some of the original
cast original stars, sorry andit's set to hit the road in
North America later this year.
Film stars Barry Boswick, nellCampbell and Patricia Quinn will
visit more than 40 cities inthe U S and Canada audiences.
In each city We'll have theopportunity to meet their uh

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star, participate in a costumecontest and interact with a live
local shadow cast performance,who will be performing scenes
from the movie live on stagewhile the full unedited film is
shown behind them.
In select cities, a travelingmuseum including artifacts and
costumes from the film will alsobe on display.
Oh nice, I know this soundslike a lot of fun.

(53:49):
It really does, and I did thisscript kind of last minute, but
I was finding things, so I'm Iknow where to go to look for it.
Okay, I mean, it's, it'srockyhorrorcom.
It's not that hard, but theyhave a lot of information on
there, says Bostwick.
Rocky has changed lives, notjust ours, and had a profound
effect on how we accept ourdifferences in this world.

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We were fitted for our corsetsand high heels and
enthusiastically started singingsongs that have endured for all
these years.
And damn it, janet, I have madenerds cool.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Damn it, Janet.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I love you.
50 years ago I auditioned forthe Rocky Horror Show at the
60-seat Royal Court Theaterupstairs in London, Ed's Quinn.
I asked my agent what's itabout?
He replied something to do witha circus.
I mean, he wasn't wrong.
I've been in this circus eversince Cirque de Rocky Horror.

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I'm lucky, we're all lucky.
Don't dream it.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Be it, You're lucky, she's lucky, we're all lucky.
Don't dream it, be it.
You're lucky, she's lucky,we're all lucky.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Finally, campbell added that I never would have
thought all these years laterwe'd be touring our little old
film.
I'm so thrilled to get back onthe road and to meet several
generations of fans Lookingforward to a lot of fun, just
like it always was.
The Rocky Horror Picture Showis the longest running
theatrical cinema release in theworld, starring Tim Curry as

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the devious and fabulous FrankConverter Bostwick and Susan
Sarandon as everybody's favoritenerdy couple, brad, and Janet
Meatloaf as ex-delivery boy,eddie, who dates the groupie
Columbia, played by Campbell andQueen as Magenta, servant to
Riff Raff, which is RichardO'Brien.
The film blends mid-centuryhorror film aesthetic, sci-fi,

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fantasy and a hefty dose oftaboo-shattering self-expression
to create a wholly uniqueexperience.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Indeed, it's a late night double feature picture
show.
I want to go, uh oh.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
So that's my fun little info about Rocky Horror.
I didn't figure I needed to gothrough the plot line.
The plot yeah as it is, butwhen I saw that editorial on it
on the news I was like that'swhat I want to do.
I want to talk about some ofthe fun behind the facts.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
I know, and when you because you told me you were
going to do it, and then becauseyou asked me if I was going to
do it and I was like no.
And then all day today, becauseshe didn't send me the script
until today I was like what isshe doing?
And then when it came through,I was like oh yeah, I totes
forgot.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I know I wanted to do it so bad because I love it so
much.
But I know that Heather lovesit so much too, so I didn't want
to send her a text and be like,hey, can I do Rocky Horror?
Because then I couldn't see thelook on her face because
Heather will just say no, goahead.
So I wanted no.
But seriously, I just it's likeI need to ask her to her face
because I really could notremember.
I know we had talked aboutdoing this as a topic and I

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couldn't remember who claimedher um to get to get it.
But it was fun, I'm glad I didit.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
I them too.
I love it's just a great.
It's just a great.
It's great if you have nothingto do and you just pop it on and
you can come in and out of itwhenever and you can sing along
with it, and it's just and, likeyou said, you just kind of see
something new or hear adifferent line every time, so
it's awesome sweet transvestite.

(57:34):
Yeah, I, uh, I was I.
When I came in here today I waslike oh, I totally have the
title, because you know, I'm theone that does the titles, and
sometimes it takes me literallyuntil Thursday night when I'm
getting ready to go to bed andI'm just like I still don't have
it.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
It always comes to you though.
You're so good at it.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
So this one, but I don't think I can go with the
title that I want to go with,because I'm afraid it's going to
get kicked, so I'll have tocome up with something else, so
it's going to be a.
There's so many options, though.
A page turner kid, although youalready know now yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, because I've alreadythought of it.
Let's just leave it blank,blank, but it is.

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It's a great movie, it is.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Oh, I also wanted to mention that we recorded 50
episodes.
Oh, yes, go us?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Yes, and we're coming up on our year.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
We are.
Crazy stuff right Two moreweeks.
I know we still don't know whatwe're doing.
No, oh yeah, totally forgot ohyeah, so we got to think of that
too.
Man, we are not thisresponsible, we are.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
I tell you it's been something for sure.
Yeah, I did want to say realquick that I did go on another
podcast this week, kind ofno-transcript, Ah sh**.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Why are you always making me climb in the smallest
of places?
Well, jared, this is the bestway to get to the podcast that
we need to steal this week.
Just always steal the place,like we do every week on Mondays
.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Mondays Every Monday Religiously.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Sometimes I wish we could just walk through the door
, but yeah, every Monday onwhere?
Where do they find it?
I mean Spotify, apple, anywhereyou can find podcasts.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
That's where we are.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I get so hot in these vents.
I think they have the heater on.
Oh Jeremy, don't move.
Oh wait.
Michael and Jeremy steal yourpodcast every Monday.
Wherever you get your podcastsand stuff, we're going to take
your podcast and we're going todo it.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Better, faster, stronger Hornier.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yes, in an hour or more.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Sometimes, and although it didn't go exactly
the way we had wanted it to go,you can go look for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
And I'm on that and I'll post it to the socials.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
It went.
It came out yesterday, which isthe 22nd yes, september 22nd.
Yes, which is the 22nd yes,september 22nd.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Yes, monday, the 22nd .

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yeah, yeah, so check that out.
We also have been trying.
We have our in talks with someother people about them coming
on this and us going elsewhereand, la-di-da-di-da, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Freaks me out a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
You know, I'm fine with us going on other people's,
but us having somebody on ours.
I have to edit that and it'svery difficult.
I'm like I got this downediting with just two right here
, but then when we do it on thephone it's like a whole nother.
It's like it's above my paygrade.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah .
Not easy for me to do.
You need to get your podcastingclasses.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
We just need to hire, we need to respond to one of
those autobots that areconstantly offering to help us.
You know, and they just cheatright.
They you know, and they justcheat, right, they just get bots
to oh, absolutely a millionpercent.
Yeah, hello sir.
Yeah, I know, I love those, Iknow I will answer every single
one of those.
I've just started deleting thechat I know she's so mean

(01:01:20):
because I will get involved.
The one I was like obviouslyyou don't.
Oh, hello sir, I love your.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
No, you don't, because you know, obviously I'm
not listening to it if you'resaying, hello sir.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
So fuck off.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
The ones that I really like are the ones who
just write like hello, and thenthey might write a little bit
without what they want and Ijust keep ignoring them.
And then they write like pleaseanswer, Fuck you.
Why do I have to answer you?
I didn't tell you to message me.
Go away, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
And you're selling something.
No soliciting.
Nope, not all, not today,unless you want to edit for free
or produce for free.
Exactly, or get us on a podcastnetwork?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
yeah, for free, anything for free at this point
we'll take um.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Yeah, that was fun.
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Thanks, so happy 50th anniversary to Rocky Horror
yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I got a birthday coming up this week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I wonder why Susan Sarandon's not getting involved.
Maybe she'll make like guestappearances here and there.
I think she has before yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
I think she's just a very busy woman Probably.
I think she's got a lot ofother stuff that she's got.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
She was recently in a TV show I watched.
She was a hairdresser, sheowned her own beauty shop and it
was about women, our age.
Lord, oh the Nonas, oh, did youwatch that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
yet I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
It's really good.
Yeah, she's in that.
She's excellent.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
She's still sexy as hell do you know what I wanted
to tell you also at thebeginning of the show and I
totally forgot.
So I've been talking with mysister about it because it's
it's really starting to hurt myfeelings at this point oh gosh
tiktok, um.
So I know that when we wereteenagers that we stole some

(01:03:13):
looks from the 60s and 70s, yes,but did we act like we invented
it?
No, we did not act like weinvented the jean jacket we did
not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Or the high-waisted jeans or fringe.
Those have been around for awhile or bell bottoms or any of
that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
We knew where we were getting it from.
We were getting it from ourmom's closet and vintage stores,
and vintage stores, yes, and wedid not.
I mean maybe because socialmedia is a big thing now, but
whatever Anyway.
So apparently goth is extremelypopular now.

(01:03:51):
It really hurts my feelings,number one.
And so there's this girl and Idon't know what her name was and
she's a cute and she's a littlegirl, so I mean whatever, but
she is probably the peppiestgirl, like hey, guys, get ready
with me while I get, and yeah,goth is a sad goth.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Goth is a um.
Uh, what's the word I want?

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
it's not an outfit no , it's a it's, it's a whole vibe
.
It's a whole vibe and you can'tdo it when you're that pet,
when you're, when you're peppypatty, you can't do it and I
don't that should call it're.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
when you're peppy patty, you can't do it and I
don't that should call it goth.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Yes, I don't think you can anymore.
Well, because there's see, nowthis is also hurting my feelings
, because there's trad goth,which I would assume would be
what I do, what I wear, althoughI'm like old people.
Trad goth.
No, I can't do all that makeup,hey, because that shit cakes on
you.
Whatever, I can't undo thewhite face anymore.
I'm outside in the sun entirelytoo much at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
As much as I dislike that.
Yeah, you're not pale enoughfor both.
No, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
I'm not pale enough anymore.
Then there's like rainbow goth.
That's an oxymoron.
That's an oxymoron, that's nota thing Like stop it on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
that's not a thing like stop it, it's like all the
halloween direct decorationsthat came out this year are pink
.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Exactly that's what.
That's what it is.
It's like this it's it's?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
it's curling up something that's supposed to be
scary, that's all it is.
It's not any sort of goth andit is offensive.
I'm offended because even mytherapist she's about almost 20
years younger than me, um, butum, she calls herself emu

(01:05:37):
because that's when she grew up,during the emu phase.
I, I don't say an emu emo, emo,it's emotional animal.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Yeah, emu is an animal, emotional.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
But she were.
She doesn't refer to it like,oh, I'm emo.
She's like, well, back when Iwas a teenager, in my emo phase.
But you know she still looksthe part the emo thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
I was okay with um, because they they kind of went
with a more punky, like it waskind of of a punky goth vibe
Like they had that like they hadthe cute hair and, like they
had, it was definitely a look.
It was a separate look fromwhat I wore Right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yes, it was, it was definitely a divider.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
But my issue with these children today is that
they are not calling itsomething different, like emo.
They are calling it trad goth,traditional goth.
And then they come on andthey're like in traditional goth
, you have to you don't stop.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
That's the most obnoxious thing I've ever heard.
After this, I'm going to showyou this video, not to mention
the whole thing of goth is notgiving a fuck what you look like
or what you're wearing, as longas it's black and then okay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
So then they're like I mean, um, diy is a really big
part of trad goth life and I'mlike, and she's got like okay,
when I was a kid, we didn't wearclown makeup no.
No, it wasn't white foundation,it was manic panic white powder

(01:07:14):
that you had to like.
Yes, the air on.
And then you either went Okay,also, unless you had a store
like Zipperhead or any of thoseclothes which we do not hear you
had to wait till halloweenbecause you couldn't get, you

(01:07:36):
couldn't get.
That's the only time you getfishnets.
It was the only time you couldget black lipstick, black nail
polish.
It was literally the only.
So you would like spend allyour money at Halloween to stock
up for the year.
Yeah, on Halloween fuckingcostumes and the makeup and so
like.
Just, I mean, she's got likeshe basically is copying Susie

(01:08:04):
and she's got the V-bangs, whichalso bothers me.
It's just not.
But her hair is brown, no Thankyou.
You gotta go, but she'sprobably not old enough to be
allowed to dye.
Her hair is my guess.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Well then she shouldn't be doing TikToks about
Chad Goth.
So I mean, I guess, and I'dlove to know if she ever would
dye her hair cotton candy pinkor black.
Even Like it's either.
Gotta be manic panic colors.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
I don't even know what I'm gonna do with my hair
next.
This is a mess, this mess, thisis a mess right now.
That's why we can't film,because you cannot see this mess
right now.
I think I'm just gonna end upgoing back to black, because
it's easier.
It is easier?

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I don't regret that though.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
I will regret it because I have to go Bleach it.
No, I don't have to bleach itif it's black To get color Like
if you wanted to go back tocolor I can't do a permanent
black.
The problem is, if I go with thedemi-permanent blacks, they
bleed into everything else.
So if you want to do like blackwith blue or something, you

(01:09:16):
can't because it just it justtakes over.
I don't know, not that any ofyou care what my hair looks like
, but it's just a mess well, I'mafter 52 years of having dark
brown hair and blonde now.
So she is.
What are you gonna?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
do, and I have no control over it.
It's not a choice, it's justwhat my hair wants to do well, I
don't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
I hardly have any gray at this point, for whatever
reason.
My dad went gray very late inlife.
So I I don't know I I wantedgray, I didn't want gray hair,
but I would like some gray hairbecause then I could just I
think it would take the colorback, I wouldn't have to bleach.
But that's not the way it'sgoing for me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah, I know we're at a very difficult age.
Yes, you think teenagers arebad.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
So many reasons why.
Okay, before we go down thatrabbit hole, thank you for
listening.
Thank you, thanks, nicole, forthat fun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
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(01:10:41):
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