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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Thank you.
Welcome to Like Whatever apodcast for by and about Gen X.
I'm Nicole and this is my BFF,heather Hola, so we've done a
little chatting before we startrecording and and we did
heather's back on pause.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
We're just gonna not discuss it well, we could talk
about the one thing, because Ithought it was no, you're gonna
talk about things, I'm just notgonna ask you how your week was.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, good and she's also full of rage again.
So if you enjoyed that episodewhere she was rage filled, you
might get another one, stillrage filled, that's the thing of
it.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, first, happy Pride Month everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yes, if you are Happy Pride Month.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
If you celebrate pride, but that's what's going
to bring me to, not the rage.
Although, anyway, rainbows,let's talk about rainbows.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So my therapist, god love her,god help her.
Apparently, there are otheremotions besides anger.

(01:33):
Oh yeah, I don't know if youknew that.
So the rainbow that I speak ofis she has me.
I had to download an emotionwheel god and it is rainbowed,
oh god, yes.
And it tells you what you mightactually be feeling, because
apparently anger is not alwaysthe one.

(01:57):
I haven't used my color wheelieor my my emotion wheel yet
because I don't think you'reready it's straight out rage at
this point.
Yeah, you're not ready.
I mean, today I was fiveseconds away from handing a
customer the keys to my mailtruck and just ubering back to
the office two best friends.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
We're talking fast from mystic to arcades.
We're having a blast.
Teenage dreams, neon screens,it was all rad and you're the
meat.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Like you know, it's like whatever Together forever.
We've never done this everLaughing, sharing Our stories.
Forever We'll take you back.
It's like whatever.
She gave me homework Well, shesaid it wasn't homework, but it
was homework that I have tostart learning how to use the

(02:51):
emotion wheel I can't wait tosee yeah me.
I I downloaded it.
I didn't really look at it, butI know it's rainbowed yeah but
I'm not angry.
It's pride month, that's lovely.
I got my ally shirts.
I got one that has a bigfoot onit and he's holding the ally

(03:12):
flag.
Oh, I know it's so cute, oh.
And then I got another one.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I didn't even know that bigfoot was an ally, but
yes, I should have known yeah heis, he loves everybody.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
He hides from everybody equally.
No, no, he don't care.
And then I got another one thathas two skeleton hands, holding
a rainbow heart.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Oh, that's adorable.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's my, my pride.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
What about you?
Do you need?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
an emotion wheel, Anyway.
So I heard another cool thingon NPR this week.
I should just start a segmentof what Nicole heard on NPR this
week.
But have you ever heard ofaquamation?
No, Okay so aquamation is noOkay.
So accumulation is likecremation, but it's water-based.

(04:09):
Oh, I have, I have.
It's supposed to be much betterfor the environment, less like
aggressive than being burned.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I think it leaves less of a carbon.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes, it does.
So here's what it is.
The process is based onalkaline hydrolysis.
The body is placed in apressure vessel, which is then
filled with a mixture of waterand potassium hydrate, nope
hydroxide, and heated to atemperature of around 320

(04:49):
degrees.
At an elevated pressure, whichprecludes boiling, the body is
efficiently broken down into itschemical components, completely
disintegrating its DNA, which Ithought was interesting.
A process which takesapproximately four to six hours.
So easy peasy, there you go.
The result is a quantity of agreen brown scented liquid, ew,

(05:12):
but it contains amino acids,peptides, sugars and salts, and
the soft, porous white boneremains.
Calcium phosphate is easilycrushed in the hand, or they use
a emulator, because that'sprobably gross.
To form a white colored dust.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
You don't want anybody under your fingernails.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, so I thought that was kind of neat.
The guy that they had on NPR,actually he somewhere in
Delaware.
He has a pet aquamation, oh, andhe's busy with legislation
trying to make it legal indelaware for humans but he said
for his, for pets it's likeunder 10 pounds is like 150

(05:55):
bucks, up to 50 pounds, 200bucks, like it really wasn't
that expensive, right so?
And he said it only takes like15 minutes to a half hour for a
small pet to break down.
So I don't know.
I just said never heard of it.
It sounded super cool to me.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I have heard of it.
I did see something about that,yeah, and that you know I've
been.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I've talked before about how I want my remains
disposed of.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yes, Um, and this could be a good one, although it
does take your whole DNA out.
Your DNA is out there.
I don't know if you know it'swhat it's out there.
It's attached to three otherpeople.
Oh, that's true.
Okay, three other people havehalf of your DNA.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Okay, good enough.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
No, because I still want to do the thing.
I would say I would like to doit because I don't want my dna
anywhere.
Yeah, I want.
That's why I don't have kids.
There should never be any moreof me.
It's very, very stupid to behere of me.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Um, I think you had I did have a fun.
Fact you do have a fun fact.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I really have a really fun fact.
This is gonna blow your mind.
Maybe hugh hefner okay, youknow, hugh hefner um in the 60s,
paid for, backed almost all ofthe feminist movements and to

(07:30):
fight Roe v Wade.
He gave a lot of money to fightRoe v Wade and he was big into
this was the reason I heard this.
He funded the rape kits.
Wow, yeah, the invention of therape kits.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I did not know that.
Yes, where did you find that?
Why does this sound so random?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
It was on one of my podcasts.
Okay, they did the history ofthe rape kit Okay, and yeah, he
was big into all the feminists,but if you think about it it
makes sense, because if womenhave control of their own bodies
, then they will pose for him.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
So yeah, it might be selfish, but I mean yeah, I mean
, I definitely thought that whenyou said roe v wade, I was like
, of course he wants abortion tobe legal but um, yeah, and
birth control, but yeah, he wasa big he he gave a lot um why is
she thinking?
But?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
yeah, he was big into uh funding the rape kits that's
very good to know, because youknow we are.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I feel like we all grew up loving hugh hefner.
Like the joke of the hughhefner, if you put on any sort
of red satiny robe.
Somebody's going to say youlook like Hugh Hefner.
But then I become an adult andfeminist and I'm like but then I
don't know, I know, I don'tfeel like.
I'm sure that there are badstories.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
And there's even heard bad stories and there are.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
There's the playboy money bunny murder thing on ID
id, but it's always like thesame three girls on there.
So I don't know, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, and I'll neverknow, but it is good for my own
psyche because I've always justbeen like, oh that to know that
he did actually support thingsthat I support.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yes it I I.
I was shocked at first and thenI was like, well, no, that
makes total sense, because ifwomen are in control of their
own and he said that he wantedthem the whole he wanted them to
be comfortable being able todo- whatever they want and being
able to to express their sexualfreedom without getting raped.

(09:44):
Yeah, so there you go.
Liked it now you know the restof the story.
I'll get sued for saying that Ican love that show.
Um then one more thing.
Oh, did you finish the peeweething I did?
Oh, did you cry?
I'm not a crier, no, I cried.
Jay cried Because, apparently,that I also have an emotion that

(10:07):
I don't know if that is onthere, it's probably just rage
crying.
I'm so mad Pee Wee's dead.
Yeah, I cried and I'm very sadthat I never got to meet the man
.
I think that's what I took outof it.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, I'm glad he did what he did.
I think that's what I took outof it yeah, I'm glad he did what
he did.
Like the interviewer said, ifhe hadn't done that, all that
stuff would just be lost.
Nobody else would take the timeto put it together.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Nobody would ever know about him and I saw someone
talking about the documentaryand was like it's such a shame
that he died because everybodylikes that.
That he died because everybodylikes that.
I mean that paul rubens is a.
He could have restarted hisentire career just being himself
because he was funny very Imean very funny, very sarcastic,

(10:55):
very arrogant, yeah, but in allthe best ways and, honestly, he
was always very handsome.
Yeah, he was.
Yeah, I noticed that a lot ofpeople were saying you know, he
was real.
I mean, I always liked him.
I, of course, liked his Buffywhen he was in Buffy so I
enjoyed that look and he rockedthat look a lot.

(11:17):
You know the whole peewee thing.
It's a good if you haven'twatched yet.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
It really is Like like I didn't know really what I
was even getting myself intowith it.
Yeah, but it was.
There was so much I didn't knowabout him.
Yeah, and then just all the funmemories of watching the
peewees yeah, we startedwatching peewees playhouse again
I feel like I want to too, likeI was singing along and I was
like it's pity.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Do you know who does the um, the theme song for Pee
Wee's Playhouse?
She's not credited because shecouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I think I do, they did it on the DL Cyndi Lauper.
Oh yeah, yeah, I knew that atsome point.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
And now, if you listen to it, you're like oh
yeah, it's 100% Cyndi.
Lauper.
I don't know who was fooled bythat, but it's fucking Cyndi
Lauper.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, and speaking of strong, feminine, female
singers Chapel Rowan, who I justabsolutely adore.
Have you heard her songPhenomenon?

Speaker 2 (12:18):
No, not Phenomenon, I can tell you.
No, I've only ever heard onesong, okay, and now it's going
to be stuck in my head.
Is it Pink Pony H-O-T-T-O-G-O.
I didn't know that was hereither.
Then I've heard two songs.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, feminomenon is my jam right now and I love her.
Yeah.
And then just one other thing Isaw on the Philly News this
week it's the 25 years of Alex'slemonade stand to try to raise

(13:09):
money for cancer.
And 25 years later it's hugethat this year's I think it's
this weekend maybe, but there'slike 2 000 stands getting set up
across the country- oh, that'scool.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, doesn't applebee's have like a thing on
there?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
I believe that they do yeah I think applebee's
promotes that so theyinterviewed her mom and she was
like you know what a beautifulway to, yeah, you know, remember
our daughter.
So I don't know, it was neat.
I just always have, like thatorganization, thought it was
pretty cool, so I just wanted toshare that's lovely.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, I don't think I had anything else yeah, I don't
either.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I thought that I did.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I thought I did too, but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Mary Lou Retton got a DUI this week.
Really that was kind of sad,huh yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I don't even know what to say.
I know what are you doing, Mary.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Lou, I know right, you got a 10.
Yeah.
I guess, I don't know.
Well, I've heard being agymnast on a professional level
is not a glamorous life?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
No, I don't think it is.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
I don't think it's no I think there's a lot of bad
things that happen to gymnasts.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yes.
And my niece is a gymnast, sowe will not talk about.
Yeah, it makes me upset, I know, I know she's almost done, I
think.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Oh really.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Oh, yeah, yeah, because, um, you know she's 15,
so no 16, my bad, she's 16.
So now she wants to be like 20different things, so one of them
is forensics, because she'sweird like her aunt yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
It does shock me, though, that she's considering
getting out of gymnasticsbecause she was so passionate.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
And she still is.
I don't know, maybe I think thewho the hell knows, because I
know she wanted to for a while.
She was just going to come backto the and work at the gym that
she goes to.
And maybe she still will.
She probably still will, but Idon't think my sister was kind
of hoping she would want to goand she still could, I guess,

(15:06):
guess go to college on agymnastic scholarship, no doubt
because she could still compete.
I know there's a university ofmaryland, I think, has a
gymnastics team.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
yeah, nice anyway, yeah yeah, all right.
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(15:36):
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So, now that we have that outof the way.
So now that we have that out ofthe way, once again, I got a
major Gen X celebrity death onmy week to record.
Yes, heather's mad, because Ialways get them.
So this week we're going toEvery damn week.

(15:56):
Well, how do you think?
I feel I have topics I want tocover and all this shit keeps
popping up.
So, anyway, we're going to fuckaround and find out about
mash's hot lips.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Hooligan, oh yeah, aka, uh, loretta swit, yes, um,
I got my information fromfandomcom and imbdcom and mash
was a very big show for megrowing up like me as well yeah,
it was always on um, when itwas on on the tv it was on and I

(16:33):
feel like I learned so muchfrom that show just about kind
of life and I feel like mash isone of those things that, even
though it wasn't set in a timethat we lived, right, you know,
and I think for the most part itwas filmed in the early Gen X

(16:55):
period, but I always think ofMASH as like Gen X.
Yeah, I don't know.
I feel like I don't knowanybody who didn't watch it, who
has never seen it, who wasn'taffected by it.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I mean, there are still episodes I think about to
this day and get upset.
Oh, I can't.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a couple I can I mean, I
guess, spoiler alert if youhaven't watched it.
When, henry, is it Henry Blakethat dies?
That one?

Speaker 1 (17:27):
that was bad that's the always the first one that
comes to me.
Yeah, that one was real bad,yeah, and I always just picture
in my head the scene of thehelicopter taking off.
Yeah, that's yeah.
Yeah, that was a.
That was a brutal one, butthere was so much good in it,
like everybody was, I think allthe characters were just

(17:49):
perfectly tested.
They were very good charactersand, and I think they were very
good at showing emotion.
But anyway, yeah, um.
so loretta swit, who playedmajor Major Margaret Hot Lips
Houlihan on the TV comedy MASH,died on May 30th at her home in

(18:12):
New York City for outstandingperformance by a supporting
actress in a comedy every yearfrom 1974 to 1983, winning the
Emmy in 1980 and 1982.
So the show ran from 1972 to1983.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
So really, right there in that sweet spot.
Well, that explains it then Yep.
I thought it was earlier thanthat.
I didn't realize it was thatlong?
Yeah.
All of our parents werewatching it from the time we
were born and we really probablyshould not have been watching
it.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Oh no, although, like they said in Pee Wee, he said
he wanted stuff on his kid'sshow to go over the kids' heads
True and it to be jokes for theadults.
And he was like and if you werea kid that knew that, that's
your parents fault, that's notmy fault.
Oh my god, I was cracking up.
It was so funny.
Um.
So, set in south korea duringthe korean war, mash followed
the medical staff who cared forthe wounded in a mobile army

(19:16):
surgical hospital.
Initially, the series focused onthe characters that had been
established in altman's film andaltman.
There was, um, I think I forgotto include it, but there was a
movie called mash that was priorto the tv show.
Yes, and altman was the personwho made that movie.
Um, so let's see the two leadroles being the army surgeons,

(19:43):
captain benjamin franklin,hawkeye, pierce the reason I
still love Alan Alda to this day, played by Alan Alda, and
Captain Trapper, john McIntyre,who was played by, or who was?
Yes, the part was played byLane Rogers die.

(20:08):
Yes, although talentedphysicians, hawkeye and trapper
were unlikely soldiers.
Both had non-conformistpersonalities and strong
affinities for nurses andbootleg liquor.
Their antics routinely outragedtheir straight-laced superior
officers major margaret hot lipshooligan, played by loretta
swit uh, and the ranking nurse,major frank burns, played by

(20:29):
larry linville, their nemesisduring the 1972 to 1977 seasons.
I was very upset when he left Iwas too, but I did like.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
I did like winchester yeah, also, and major charles
emerson winchester, who wasplayed by david david ogden
steers and I think he passedaway a couple years ago you know
, so here to interrupt for asecond you're fine I I find that
the most successful shows areshows that it is feasible that a

(21:03):
main character would leave theshow seamlessly and it's not
like a shock to the system, likeany medical drama.
I feel like er yeah all of themcast members when it's anatomy
yeah, they come and go, andthat's what happens in hospitals
, like, and I feel like this too, that's what happens in war.
You, you get sent home, right,you know?

(21:24):
I just think that that's one ofthe the best ways to do it,
because then you can introducenew characters seamlessly,
without it being like wait aminute, what?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
That is a very cool, cool observation, and I feel
like back in the day they usedto try to replace people with a
new actor and just be like oh,it's just them like there's two
beckys, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, exactly there you go
all right.

(21:54):
So, um, all right.
Where were we?
winchester uh, yeah, so the basewas officially commanded by
incompetent but geniallieutenant colonel henry blake,
who was played by mclean uhstevenson and later, in the
series 1975 to 1983, wasirresistible colonel sherman

(22:19):
potter, who was played by harrymorgan.
I did, I see, and I loved themall.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, that's the, you're right yeah, because you
can bring them in and out, andit's not because I think the
problem is, when you take acharacter out of another show,
then it kind of falls apartbecause you're like wait, but
why, is that.
That's the stupidest reasonever especially when they just
disappear, right yeah, andthey're like oh well, they
called and now they're in.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
But why that?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
character was never like, that was never in their
thing Like your sister met a manand moved away.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, but when did that happen Over?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
the summer?
I don't know.
There's no backstory on that.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
But in this I mean people die all the time, people
get shipped out suddenly, sothere's no need to build a
character art.
That would you know.
Yeah, it doesn't seem as sudden.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, I like it, tyson.
He's proclaimed himself thepodcast mascot.
I think, yes, he has, but he'srolling around on the bed
meowing.
He's so darn cute.
He's pretty cute.
Um, okay, so that, however, thebase's uh operation was held

(23:36):
together by the company's clerkcorner colonel corporal, the
radarReilly, who was played byGary Berghoff, who was also in
the movie as the same character.
I don't think many of themtransferred from that Another
corporal, max Klinger, JamieFarr, frequently cross-dressed

(23:58):
in the hope that it would earnhim a medical discharge and
flight home, although I have towonder, after all those years of
doing it and not working, maybehe just liked dressing up.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
There's a whole thing about that.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
But good for MASH.
So about Margaret?
Margaret is a member of theArmy Nurse Corps and, as the
highest ranking female in the47th, 407th, I was like wait,
female in the 47th 407th?
I was like wait, it wasn't 47th.
I glanced over that numberevery time I was reading through
it and I never bothered to sayit in my head.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Those look weird.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Why didn't they just write 407th?
I don't know.
She is the unit's chief nurse,a role that she takes very
seriously.
She is devoted to her Armycareer, having been born and
raised an Army brat.
She cites her father, ColonelAlvin Howitzer Al Houlihan, as

(24:56):
her role model.
In earlier episodes, Margaretsaid that her father is deceased
, but it is recanted as heappears in the season nine
episode Father's Day.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I take back what I said about consistency.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Well, maybe she just said he was deceased.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
She's dead to her.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
There you go.
Little is known or revealedabout her mother, except that
she and her father are divorced,that, and that her mother is an
alcoholic and a kleptomaniac.
Uh, so her mom was a littlehood rat?
Yeah, uh.
Margaret once mentioned thatshe sends half of her salary to
her mother as a remittance.

(25:40):
Remittance, uh, half of whichgoes to get her sober, while the
other half goes towards bailmoney.
Margaret is stern andno-nonsense, but behind the
scenes she is willing to buckregulations for her own gain,
using her sex appeal to get herway with higher-ranking officers
, which she often did prior toher arrival at the 4077.

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All the women on that show werefloozies.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Every single one of them.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Even like the older ladies that would come in or the
old nurses they'd sleep with,like Colonel Potter Like
everybody was getting, well, hedidn't.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
He didn't know because he had Mrs Potter he did
.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
They definitely slept with somebody, though, anyway.
They definitely slept withsomebody, though.
Anyway.
In tandem with Frank, margaretspends the early part of the
series battling Hawkeye andTrapper, as well as constantly
criticizing Henry's lax style ofleadership.
Her dissatisfaction withHenry's command, or her

(26:46):
perceived lack thereof,frequently motivates her to go
over his head and file formalcomplaints with army brass, and
I do remember that, too, theywere always in there getting
radar to get somebody on thephone and he'd have to pull that
bag out, wind it up.
He'd call and they couldn't hearhim because there's like
bombing going on in thebackground.
This recurring gambit culminatesin the trial of Henry Blake, in

(27:09):
which she and Frank bringformal charges of treason
against Henry, but the chargesare dropped when it is revealed
at his court-martial hearingthat Henry actually donated
medical supplies to an orphanagerun by an American in North
Korea.
Frank and Margaret illegallyattempted to suppress this
evidence medical supplies to anorphanage run by an american in
north korea.
Frank and margaret illegallyattempted to suppress this
evidence by having hawkeye andtrapper put under house arrest,

(27:31):
but they escaped and made it tothe hearing just in time, which
was very typical, yes, back then.
So we can't talk about ummargaret without talking about
frank, because those two werejust hand in hand.
Oh my gosh, they were so funnytogether.

(27:52):
Um, so, despite her admonitionsto the others for their immoral
behavior, margaret is in anongoing affair with the married
frank burns.
Throughout the first fourseasons of the series, a
recurring joke is that Margaretand Frank are convinced that
nobody else knows about them,but their affair is actually a

(28:13):
poorly kept secret throughoutthe army.
According to Hawkeye, the onlyone who doesn't know about them
is General MacArthur's pipestuffer.
Frank often makes mention ofhis wife, lois uh, which never
sits well with margaret I can'tremember that who often hints
none too subtly that frankshould leave his wife for her.

(28:34):
All right, so next we're goingto talk about donald panopscot.
Do you remember donaldpanopscot?
I don't.
Oh, okay, you will probablywhen I talk about it.
So when Margaret's relationshipwith Frank ended, oh, donald,
okay.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I didn't know that was his last name, uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, and I actually remember it.
It looks weird, but as soon asI looked at it I was like
Penobscot, like I remember itfrom the show, remember it from
the show, yeah, um, so, uh.
Finally dawns on margaret thatfrank only wants her as a side
piece and has no intention ofleaving his wife.
Shocker, uh.
With this in mind, early inseason five, when she returns

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from r&r in tokyo, she shocksthe camp with her announcement
that she is now engaged tolieutenant colonel Penobscot.
Frank is crushed by the news,but even more so by Margaret's
incessant praise of Donald inhis presence during surgery,
causing Frank to accidentallystab her finger when she assists
him.
These two, when I was readingthis, reminded me of Dwight and

(29:40):
Angela on the Office.
Do you watch the Office?
No, okay, well, those of youthat watch the Office that's
what made me think of.
Margaret is convinced thatFrank did it deliberately, but
Hawkeye puts her in her placewhen he points out her
insensitivity.
When she argues that Hawkeyetreats Frank the same way,
hawkeye counters that he neverdoes it when Frank is down, but

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only when he wasn't looking,that he never does it when Frank
is down, but only when hewasn't looking.
Margaret and Donald marry incamp at the end of season five
and go to Tokyo for theirhoneymoon.
But in Fade Out Fade In theepisode Fade Out, fade In,
margaret returns to camp earlyand is very sullen.
She later reveals that afterthe first couple of days of

(30:25):
their honeymoon Donald seemed toshut down completely.
The distance between Margaretand Donald soon puts a strain
not only on their marriage butalso on Margaret's emotions, as
one moment she is on an evenkeel but the next she'll either
be fuming over something Donalddid or said or violently pining
to be with him.
In most of either of thesecases, radar's office, and

(30:51):
sometimes Radar himself, becomesthe most common indirect target
of Margaret's physical tantrums.
Their frequent absence from oneanother is the catalyst for
Donald's philandering.
I don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
That's what we're calling it yeah, well, that's
what they call it then yeah, ifyou were a guy, that's what they
called it, okay you were awhore if you were well, that's
still the the same, oh yeahtimes haven't changed, oh yeah
oh yeah, where's you happeningnow?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
exactly, uh, in dear sigmund, margaret tells sydney
friedman about how donald still,her fiance at the time, called
to tell her that he celebratedhis birthday in tokyo without
her.
Um, and do you remember, sydneyfreeman?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
yes, he was the psychiatrist.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yes, that was really cool, too, having that character
.
I don't think he was on forlong, though was he on the whole
time?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
he, I think he just was reoccurring.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
He dropped in every now and then.
Yeah, or he wasn't a full-timecast traveling.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Um, when sydney remarks thatdonald must miss her, she
replies that they had a verygood time.
So she already knows at thispoint.
Right, he's not philandering,he's fucking around and not in

(32:18):
the fun way.
Well, maybe fun for him.
Marg Margaret finds out that anew nurse in camp had had an
affair with Donald right beforeshe arrived.
In the episode In Love and WarIn Comrades in Arms, margaret
receives a steamy letter fromDonald, but the letter was meant
for another woman and hemistakenly mailed it to Margaret

(32:41):
.
I remember all these episodes.
I don't remember.
If I try to think back aboutMASH, I can't remember.
No, that's not true.
I remember a lot of specifics,but obviously over a nine-year
period there's a lot of stuff.
I forgot, but as I read this,I'm like, yep, yep, remember
that.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
I mean, I think I would also if I watched them.
I'd be like, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I was also going to say through the years whenever I
find it on TV, I turn it on, soit's very random, but I have
seen it enough to have it niceand fresh.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Ironically, in the same episode and the next,
margaret has her own steamyencounter with none other than
her nemesis Hawkeye Pierce.
I do remember that one, oh yeah, which took a quick turndown,
though.
She eventually makes peace withHawkeye and begins a proper
friendship.
Yes, I thought I had more inhere.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I think that they always did.
I think that they always did.
I think it was a.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
They did have sexual tension and I think it was a
they did have sexual tension.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
And I think it was a mutual respect.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yes, oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Like a little play.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Like they didn't respect Frank.
No, and Frank hated them.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah For it Because of it.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Because he knew they didn't respect him.
But yeah, I don't think therewas any disrespect between
Pierce and Houlihan.
A lot of jabbing.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yes, hating.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Sarcasm, yes, but yeah, I thought I had something
in here about that episode, butI remember it that they got
stuck somewhere the Jeep brokedown, yes, and it rained.
Yes, and they made like thislittle makeshift shelter yes,
and they were all snuggled upunder it.
Then the magic happened.

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I remember that that was ashocker, though Even as a little
kid you're like what, what isgoing to happen now?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
That's why I'm saying we should not be watching that.
I know what is going to happennow.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
We should not be watching.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I mean just the nurses in and out of the tents
of everybody, I mean the stillyeah, yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I don't know what do I know?
Yep, exactly by the end ofseason seven, donald promises to
work things out with her, buthe effectively ends all hope of
reconciliation when hepermanently transfers statewide
to san francisco.
It's a very, uh, passive,aggressive way.
Marriage oh, I'm just gonnamove halfway across the world.

(35:19):
We'll see how this works.
Um, initially livid at donald'scowardice and the fact that he
himself requested the transfer,she then blames herself for the
place I picked to have amarriage, which is also a very
sad thought.
When Hawkeye asks what she'sgoing to do, she tearfully tells
him she is going to get adivorce, and she later confides

(35:42):
in him that it's the best thingthat's ever happened to her I
was gonna say I I do rememberthem getting very close, just
very close.
I like I remember them havingmany conversations and stuff
yeah, yeah, I think some of theother stuff I was reading
through was that theirrelationship was different after
that um Personal life forMargaret.

(36:07):
Outwardly, margaret seems tohave herself all together, but
in her private moments she isshown to have a highly
vulnerable side that she goes togreat measures to keep hidden
from everyone else, no matterhow close they are to her.
She suffers from extremeloneliness stemming from her
unluckiness in relationships,and she deeply yearns for true

(36:30):
love and emotional support.
And though she fights hard tokeep her emotions bottled up,
she cannot always control them.
I hear you, girl.
I feel like you're connecting.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I was just gonna say is that paragraph about me?

Speaker 1 (36:44):
In the episode, the nurses she tearfully opens up,
to their surprise, about how shefeels put off by the way they
treat her, as though she is notwelcomed in their social circle,
not even offering her a lousycup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Man, that line was as you said it has.
Yes, I remember that becausethey're having like a girl's
night and they're doing theirhair and good girl stuff, and I
remember that yep.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
And then they said to her well, we didn't think you'd
come and she's like you couldhave asked yes yes so sad yes I
remember that one well yeah, Ibet those nurses still feel
guilty about that today.
As they should they're probablynot alive and they were
actresses, but they should stillfeel really bad about it.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
You know what?
They should have taken thatshit to the grave.
Yeah, be sad bitches, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
God, that man.
What a trigger.
Ooh, yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I can see her face and everything as she does it
and her throat was liketrembling, yeah, but she's
trying not to cry oh, I'mgetting goosebumps.
I know uh, in the uh episodeimages, a stray dog uh to which
she has been secretly givingfood, is killed by a jeep.
Do you remember that?
one, yes, I to say there's noway you forgot the dog dying,

(38:07):
hawkeye notices her trying notto cry and follows her to her
tent and tells her she needs tolet it out, which she eventually
does on Hawkeye's shoulder.
All of this happens afterMargaret bears down too hard on
Lieutenant Cooper, a new nursewho initially cannot hack being
in the OR.
A new nurse who initiallycannot hack being in the OR, but

(38:30):
after Cooper decides to adoptMargaret's callous personality
as her own.
And then after the dog iskilled, margaret comes to a new
understanding of what Cooper isgoing through and backs down.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I remember the dog dying.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, I do too.
I didn't remember the rest ofthat.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Because we were traumatized.
I mean, I think, most.
I don't know if it's everybody,but for me the most significant
animal image is that of thewhole series.
Is the chicken in the bus?
Yeah definitely.
Did you hear all the?
I won't go into them because Idon't really know them well, but
all the well, you can talkabout it even if you don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Okay, my husband does it all, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Oh boy um anywho, they uh, there's a fan theory or
whatever those things are thatpeople decide Right that the
whole thing was just a delusionby Hawkeye, the whole series.
Yeah, I don't know how I feltabout that.

(39:32):
And they say that's the bus, isthe with the chicken, because
that's his breaking point.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, I don't know I'd have to go back and rewatch
it, thinking that, yeah, I don'tknow, I'd have to go back and
rewatch it.
Thinking that.
Yeah, I can't attach that to it, based on what I remember.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
So I know totally off topic.
Yes, because I have a fantheory of my own about two
entirely different shows.
Yay, I have always thought thatmarried with children.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Peg and Al get divorced at the end.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
And then Peg goes on to marry some bikers Hold on, it
gets better, okay.
And then Al marries a womanfrom Columbia.
Because think about those two,his kids, think about I know

(40:36):
they are Kelly and Bud what theyare.
Yeah, she was promiscuous as ateenager and then she grew out
of are.
Yeah, she was promiscuous as ateenager and then she grew out
of it Yep, yep, but eventuallycomes out gay, because I mean,
who didn't see?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
that one coming.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yep, that's my, that's my fan and and he's
trying to make up he either hada heart attack or something like
that, and then he's trying tomake up he either had a heart
attack or something like that,and then he's trying to make up
for lost time and he is asalesman, yeah in both and he's
very similar.
Like you could tell where hewould have been.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
He really is a crotchety, yeah that's my fan
theory.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Completely different show, whatever did you have a
second one too?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
no, that was it oh, I don't think I know.
No, that was it I love that one.
Yay, yeah, I've always thoughtthat I can't wait to tell Jay
that I mean she is Kelly Bundy.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Definitely I can't remember her name on the show
Claire she's married to Phil,she's married to Phil and it's
Cam and it's right on the tip ofmy tongue I know okay mitchell

(42:02):
yes, mitchell, yes, yes, yep,yeah, he's bud, that's wild, all
right, you just totally like Ijust that's I.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Every time I've watched the show I've been like
huh.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
And did you make that up yourself, yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I guess, maybe, I don't know, maybe I went insane
and read it somewhere.
You should put that out theresomewhere, but I think I'm
pretty sure I decided that on myown.
Yeah, you're amazing.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I know.
All right, let me see.
In keeping with her attempts tomaintain her hidden emotions,
we're back on Margaret, right,margaret?
Yes yes, she usually does notlet anyone get too close to her.
In the episode the BirthdayGirls, margaret confides in
Clinger that when she wasyounger she tried making friends

(42:52):
, only to have to permanentlypart from them every time her
father was transferred, whichalways hurt.
She eventually decided shewould not let anyone get close
enough to break her heart againand began keeping to herself
right, which is very sad.
It's no wonder she was see.
I, I feel, feel like I connectwith her too, because I can just

(43:14):
be.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
I think part of the problem that you don't realize
until you get to like this pointin life is how difficult it is
to make friends.
And I think it's at this pointin your life, like I think it's
when you get to this point atour age now you know most

(43:38):
people's children are grown andthey're becoming grandparents or
whatever.
So now you're back to who youwere, who you thought.
You think you're going back towho you were pre-children's yeah
, but with like 25 more yearsexperience and yeah and I think

(44:00):
part of the problem is is youdon't realize how many friends
you lose over time just becauseI mean, everybody's busy, you
have a quaint, people come inand out of your life, whatever
it is what it is, but I don'tthink people really understand
how difficult it is to make alike friend, friend at this age,
like if you didn't come packinga friend you're probably not
going to get.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
It's very rare and I say this to my friend amy often
because it really does blow mymind but she and I have been
friends now for about 10 yearsabout as long as I've been in
this job because we met.
She worked in one of the highschools that I work with right
so I would go once a week to sitin her classroom and meet with
students.
And we just clicked.

(44:41):
And now here we are, 10 yearslater and we like do everything
together.
Right, we're always doingthings.
We talk almost every day.
We see each other at least oncea week, you know, whatever,
even if it's just hanging outsitting drinking glass of wine
on the back porch or something.
But I always tell her how it'snot lost on me, how random it is

(45:01):
to find someone that you can bethat close to at this point in
your life.
Yeah so, and it's funny becauseyou see it in younger
generations.
Now, like I work with a girl whoI like very, very much.
She works across the hallway,in the cubicle, across my office
, and she's in her early 30s.
She's got a 14-year-old son anda 2-year-old son, so she's

(45:28):
doing the mom thing daycare,sports, chorus, all that stuff
and she's like oh, you have, youhave a puppy.
Oh, my son loves puppies.
Maybe I'll bring them over.
And I'm like oh, no I did thatwith my kids, three of them yeah

(45:49):
I mean I, I was that mom.
I had the friends over then,the pool parties, the spending
the night, I made the bestpancakes.
I was that mom.
And now they are grown, nowit's their problem.
It's funny because I alwaysthought I loved doing that stuff
, but it turns out I love doingthat for them.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
No, not so much.
If I want to sit and eat asleeve of Ritz for dinner,
that's what I'm going to do Forreal.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I had Froot Loops for dinner last night.
That's the only good part aboutbeing an adult.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
My favorite nights when they were little was nights
I had a decent amount ofleftovers in the fridge.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Maybe I'd made French toast and had a whole loaf
worth in there, a couple nightsworth of dinners, leftovers were
in there, things like that, andwe would have what I'd call
free-for-alls yeah, and youcould literally eat anything you
wanted to for dinner I didn'tcare what it was I, I just
wasn't fixing it I recently sawon one of the facebook pages um

(46:49):
that people were upset that umpeople make multiple meals now
for their children, and when wewere kids, we had to sit there
and eat what we ate.
I did not, um right, because Iam more stubborn than literally
anybody else, and they well, andyour parents aren't well.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
They tried yeah um but that was the mindset back
then.
Yeah, there are people starvingin africa and you eat what you
eat and you're going to eateverything on your plate and
unfortunately I went on a hungerstrike because I can't see your
mom dealing with that very well.
No, she didn't.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
So they were like fine, but this is, and my whole
growing up it was this is whatI'm making.
If you don't want this, that'son you.
So I you know.
Of course, I learned how tocook, you know very early, just
because she made.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
But it also probably has a lot to do with why you eat
like a little kid.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Because they're the quick, easy things to.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
And they're easy to make.
And my mom, you know, wouldmake stuff and I wouldn't even
try.
I'm like like I'm not eatingthat and she didn't make me.
So maybe it's her fault, I'mstill like this, but but then
again, you know, she didn't haveto fight with me every day
that's funny.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
You said about it being her fault, because there's
so many different um mindsetson what's right and what's wrong
about this, like I was forcedto sit there for hours and not
go to bed, or go to bed hungry,yeah, I think sometimes I even
woke up to the same thing thenext morning I did, they tried
that that's what.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
That was one and only time.
Then they were like yep, I'mnot dealing with you gave them a
double, double bird, seriouslythere was another, just just to
tell you how fucking stubborn Iwas and probably still am.
We were going out to eat fastfood and I only ate one fast

(48:42):
food, which was McDonald's, andI wanted McDonald's, but the
other three of us wanted BurgerKing and I threw a temper
tantrum and while they went intoBurger King because my dad said
we're not going to twodifferent places.
You either eat burger king oryou stay in the car, and I sat
in the car and watched themthrough the window I can
definitely see you doing 100 mypoor sister was so upset about

(49:06):
it.
Oh, are we gonna bring hersomething?

Speaker 1 (49:08):
my dad was like no, we are not but I I do know that
that like shaped some thingsabout me.
It didn't affect me being picky, but it did affect for decades.
If I knew I liked something ata certain place restaurant
that's what I would get everysingle time I went there because

(49:30):
I knew I liked it, I knew itwas safe.
But now, as I've grown and asmy kids have grown and I can buy
more expensive meals if I want,or go to different places and
try different things.
Plus, I've my cooking itself hasmatured you know since.
I've gotten older too, so, um,so I feel like I'm pretty

(49:51):
eclectic in my eating.
However, that does not changethe trauma of what that actually
does Like every single night.
But yeah, so with my kids, Idecided and even as a little kid
I used to think this, and tothis day, when I say to people
they're like huh, I'm like duh,like adults don't like every

(50:13):
food, why would you think kidswould like every food?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
I know.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Like.
Your palates are different.
There's just different thingsthat you like.
So why is it the end of theworld if somebody doesn't like
something?
So with my kids, I'd alwaysmake them try it, and it wasn't
a torture thing, it wasn't liketake one bite, I was just like.
They just knew that's how itworked.
If I made something new, theywere going to taste it.
They like it, fine.
If they don't, they don't haveto eat it, right?

(50:37):
And then same thing Like my son, my chili was his favorite.
I want to say my youngestdidn't care for the chili.
So I'd be like, all right, well, I'm making chili, you make
whatever you want, right?
Or you know, if you want me tomake you some waffles or
something, I'll make that up.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I think there's just such a stigma against like why
is fruit loops okay forbreakfast but not for dinner?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
right when breakfast is the most important meal of
the day.
I know like you can eat cereal.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Cereal is a meal like .
Why can't you have it as a mealthat is?

Speaker 1 (51:07):
so engraved in our brain, though, because I don't
buy a lot of lunch meat becauseit's very bad for you, um, but I
fucking love lunch meat, so Igot um, I always get the black
forest deli ham right slicedvery thin.
Yes, because I like to likewaverly stacking on like I don't
like thick meat, so I may getfluffy by right okay uh land of

(51:29):
the American I think we'vediscussed this before and then
in the family group group chaton my husband's side.
They're all out in Phoenix,arizona, so, but they're all
from here and specifically theLancaster area.
So they were talking aboutLebanon bologna, which I grew up

(51:52):
eating sweet Lebanon bolognawith mayonnaise and cheese.
So that was in the group chatand they can't get it out there,
and they were talking about it.
So I'm standing there.
I honestly just forgotten, eventhough it had only been a few
days, but I forgot that we hadtalked about it.
And I'm standing there and Ilook down and there it is and
I'm like, oh shit, so I take apicture of it and send it to the
group.

(52:12):
And my sister in law thought Iwas being mean.
So I take a picture of it andsend it to the group.
And my sister-in-law thought Iwas being mean.
So, yeah, so I got that andbrought it home and, hold on, I
forgot where I was going withthat story.
Oh so anyway, this morningtoday is work from home day, so

(52:37):
I'm sitting there and I'mstarving and I can't decide what
I want to eat and I do need togrocery shop.
And then I was like, oh shit, Ihave ham and cheese.
I can't have ham and cheesesandwich.
But it was like nine and I waslike I was too early so I sat
there and starved for like thenext two hours because it was
too early to eat a ham andcheese sandwich.
I thought of that, but then Iwould have to cook an egg.
Like that's how lazy I wasfeeling, and I know cooking an

(52:57):
egg is the easiest thing in theworld, but I was just feeling
that lazy.
But I really, like legit waslike why can't I eat a ham and
cheese sandwich for breakfast?
Why am you eat ham and cheeseomelets with toast?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
my sister hates breakfast foods, which is really
weird.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I know how did she grow up in that restaurant and
hate breakfast food I don't know, she's not a big breakfast fan
she doesn't like your omelets ohgod, no, no um, the thing that
really sucks about your omeletsis it'll never be quite the same
as it was on that frog houseflatbed because I don't have

(53:32):
that art flatbed.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I don't have that flatbed anymore.
I do have a spatula though.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Like you do know how to make them, and I'm sure they
are still.
I probably couldn't even reallytry the difference, but there
had to have been somethingspecial in that oh sure.
Years of omelet-y-ness, andwhen you spread it out it's just
so big.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
You made it so like that's how you cook it
thoroughly without browning it.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Kaylin still makes cheese and tomato omelets from
getting them out of the church.
She makes them at home now, butnothing like yours, yeah.
Yeah, I know you're veryanti-brown omelet and I can't do
it without making them brownand I know what your thing is,
but I still can't do it.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
You got to spread them thin and then flip it.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
And then the final secret.
I can't tell you that.
I know what it is, but I'm notgoing to tell.
No, please don't, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
There was we had at the restaurant.
One time I had the secret saucethat I made.
We had frog legs because theplace was called the Frog House,
so we had frog legs and I had ahorse, a horsey sauce,
horseradish sauce that I made.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I didn't call it the Frog House, did I?

Speaker 2 (54:39):
I don't know.
I don't know what you called it.
Maybe you did.
Anyway, nobody and I meannobody knew how to make it but
me.
There was one ingredient that Inever told anybody about, and
so I was the only one that couldmake it and we had.
You know how they do that?

(54:59):
Like the newspaper comes andthey do the little.
They did a little thing on usand they were talking about the
frog legs and the guy keptasking me what is?
Because people loved it.
And he was like what is thissauce?
And I was like it's a horseysauce.
And he was like what's in it?
And I was like like it's ahorsey sauce.
And he was like what's in it?
And I was like it's a horseysauce.
And he was like you're notgonna tell me.
And I was like no, and he waslike I'm not gonna put it in

(55:20):
there.
And she's like what?
And I was like no, and my dadwas like we don't even know what
it is.
He's like I have no idea whatshe does.
He was like when we're out, shejust makes more it's so funny
how those little pockets ofpower are so important when you
work in the restaurant industry.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
When I worked as a cocktail waitress in the casino,
we had this monstrosity of acoffee machine.
I mean it was just obscenely bigand cumbersome and a huge pain
in the ass to clean, but itwould short out every once in a
while or like, um, just stopworking.
It was literally an unplug it,plug it back in situation, right

(56:02):
.
So when it happened I went andfixed it and I wouldn't tell
anybody what I did and therewould be, I wouldn't work for
like a day or two and it wouldsit there until I came in and I
could fix it.
That's funny, I know, and Ionly held on to it for like a
month, but that power was, yeah,awesome, plus it was just kind

(56:25):
of fun to be like.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Really no one else figured this out I accidentally
made chicken salad for one ofthe work events and now I am
burdened with making it everytime.
But you know you love it I do,but it's a pain.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
It's a pain at home yeah, um.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
So my friend was like I really want to make it at
home.
What's your recipe?
And I was like dead ass, silent.
And he was like are you gonnatell me?
And I was like no, no, I'm not.
I was like I'll tell you mostof it, but I'm gonna leave one
thing out well, that's theproblem with those cooking shows

(57:06):
.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Yeah, those chefs aren't gonna tell you no exact
or, even better, the diners,drive-ins and dives, when those
little mom and pop shops arethrowing their stuff there is no
way they're telling youeverything that's going into
that.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Nope, because then people could make it at home the
secret, by the way, to a reallygood chicken salad.
I'm not going to tell you whata point in mind, but everything
has to be cold, cold, cold, cold, very cold when you mix it.
Yes, there you go.
Yep, helpful tip, but we shouldtalk about a pool of ham.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I mean, if we have to , I guess.
So in the later seasons, incontrast to Henry Blake,
margaret gets along very wellwith his replacement, colonel
Potter, who becomes a fatherfigure to her.
It is Potter who counsels heron whether or not to divorce
Donald, instructing her to gowith her gut feeling, which she

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declares is to divorce him.
She also eventually relaxes herstance with the other surgeons,
especially Hawkeye, after theevents of comrades in arms,
during which they get lost inthe wilderness and are driven
into each other's arms during anartillery barrage.
Right they left out the rain andthe makeshift shelter, but

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whatever after that she confidesin him more frequently and even
trades jokes with him untilthey both are in hysterics um.
Overall, in the later seasonsof of the series, margaret
mellows to a more reasonablemember of the staff who learns
to get along better with others,both professionally and

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personally, and is able tobetter temper her authority with
humanity.
While many fans approved ofMargaret's maturity, some did
not, believing that she workedbetter as a strict, rigid
antagonist.
But in her defense it should bepointed out that in the earlier
seasons, even at her worst,margaret still showed more
compassion than Frank, who oftenconveyed little to no humanity

(59:07):
at all, and I think that I thinkher character evolved
beautifully.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
I do, do too.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I mean, isn't that the whole purpose of doing life
is to learn and get better?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, and I mean a lot of it, because she started
to soften up when she didn'thave Frank there matching her
energy.
So you know it makes sense whenhe leaves that she's going to
soften as she gets older.
I mean we all get a little bit.
I don don't know except mestupid.
Check your emotion wheel.
I guess the color of mine's allred, different shades of red

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mine's gray fade to black.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
The real life inspiration of Margaret was,
it's, believed to be made up ofa couple of different real life
Korean War, mash nurses therewas one.
Most notable among them wasCaptain Ruth Dixon, who was
chief nurse of the 8055 MASH.

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Also mentioned is one Hot Lips,hammerly said to be a very
attractive blonde of the samedisposition, from El Paso, texas
.
And the third name found insome Internet resources is
Captain Jane Thurness.
All of them were career armynurses who eventually rose to

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high ranks.
So I thought that was kind ofsweet too.
Alright, so I'm going to wrapthis up with some fun facts.
Fun facts.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
We totally need to get a fun fact we do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
We can record it Okay when we do our next commercial.
Then I have to put it in thereand that'll be it We'll.
We can record it Okay when wedo our next commercial.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Then I have to put it in there and that'll be it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
We'll be like Pee Wee with both gypsies.
Like fun facts.
Fun facts Scream real loud, Funfacts.
All right, so Loretta Swit wasborn on November 4th 1937.
And she is a Jersey girl.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
How about it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
She was an advocate for animal rights.
Outside of her acting career,she dedicated her time and
efforts to organizations such asthe Animal Rescue Foundation
and the Humane Society.
Excellent, I know Good human.
Yes, she appeared in over 270episodes of MASH.
I want to say there was like 11that she wasn't in out of those

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whole nine years.
That is pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
And she is an active supporter of veterans causes,
which I also thought was kind ofneat.
She expressed deep gratitude tothe men and women who have
served in the armed forces andhas been involved in various
initiatives and organizationsthat support veterans.
That's good for her.
Yeah, I thought so too, so thatwas kind of fun.
I mean, it was really off thebeaten path of anything I would

(01:02:15):
have ever thought to do.
But when she passed away onFriday I was just like, yeah,
she meant a lot to me.
That show, I just can't sayenough about it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I think it's probably one of the greatest shows to
ever have aired.
It has to be.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
I don't think I've ever heard anybody say man, I
didn't really care for mashright maybe someone who was
younger and didn't see it,although I still think it could
hold up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
I'm sure there's some problematicness, probably some
racism, in there.
Just, I don't really rememberany racism though, but you
probably have to look at itthrough a different lens now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah you're probably right, just things that were
cultural norms back then.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah, that would not be now, but.
I think overall, yeah, it'sjust, it was just.
Again I go back to the chickenepisode where he just has it's
just.
Of course, I'll leave it to meremember the breakdown, it just
encompassed everything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yeah, it really, really did.
And it also gave us at a timebecause we were in the vietnam
war, when this show was airingabout the korean war, so um, or
just yeah, it started before,yeah, okay, so anyway, but yeah,
so all that was really fresh oneverybody's mind and it did

(01:03:42):
kind of give you a littleinsight, like with the bombs
going off and you'd happen to becareful where you travel and
you know them getting stopped onthe side of the road or yeah,
um, locals, like somebodyrunning up into the camp because
they needed help, or right,there was lots of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
I feel like that kind of gave obviously it's
hollywood, but I don't know justfelt like it gave you a little
bit more perspective I think soit was a little more raw and
real and I think that's a was alittle more raw and real, and I
think that's a lot of it was rawand real and I mean I don't
know because I've never been onthe front lines but we're in a
mesh but yeah, it felt real andraw.
Um, I feel like that all thecharacters were just super

(01:04:30):
memorable.
I mean, I don't think there's acharacter that you wouldn't be
like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
No, no, and I think it, I think it was realistic and
that everybody didn't likeeverybody, yeah, and that was
okay.
Um, but everybody cared abouteverybody and everybody was
going to watch out for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Um, because, do you remember the big controversy
when um trapper left and bjshowed up and and uh, and Pierce
did not care for that, but heevolved and you know, I think
that's excellent news.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I agree, yeah, and MASH is bigger than one episode.
So at first I was like, allright, well, hot Lips died, I
guess I'll do an episode on MASH.
And then I like Googled and Iwas like, all right, well, hot
lips died, I guess I'll do anepisode on mash.
And then I like googled and Iwas like, well, first of all,
there's a liver disease alsocalled mash, really yes so like
the first six or seven were theshow and then I was like wait,

(01:05:30):
what, what?
so I had to get a little morespecific in my search but um so
but yeah, I mean yeah quickly, Iwas like uh, yeah, no way we're
just gonna focus on just hermiss hot lips herself it's just
a good character.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
She was a good character yep, she deserves her
own yeah, her own episode now Igotta watch the show yeah, do
you get the um me tv?

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
yep okay, that's where I usually catch it yeah, I
will.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I have this weird thing on my cable that has like
a channel for like every show,ever like its own channel.
I don't know where it comesfrom, but it's on my tv like an
adams family channel where theyplay nothing but the Addams
Family.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
That sounds like that bootleg stuff I used to get.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Maybe it is, no, I don't think it's bootleg.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Maybe somebody near you has it in it.
No, and you're getting jumpedinto it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
That's like part of my cable it's like they have
channels, like it's a channel,like last night we were watching
the Jeffersons.
That's a good one.
It that's a good one.
I think it comes off the entire.
I don't know where it comesfrom.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
I've been catching Sanford and Son a lot that's a
good one too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I'm coming, elizabeth .

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
That's a funny ass show okay, wrapping it up yes
very good thank you thank youfor listening.

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