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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Two best friends we're talking the past, from
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Teenage dreams, neon screens,it was all rad.
You know what I mean.
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for, by and
about Gen X.
I'm Nicole and this might beFFF Heather.
Hello, so today is my 16thwedding anniversary is also tax
day.
It is just a coincidence.
We didn't do it that way onpurpose, they did.

(00:52):
We got married in vegas in thelittle chapel of the flowers.
Yes and heather was there I was,a handful of our friends were
there.
It was fun, um, but yeah, uh,so we just had a lazy day today.
Um, we're gonna wait andcelebrate on saturday, because
it's gonna be like 80 and sunnyoutside on saturday.

(01:14):
Is it gross?
So we're gonna do somethingoutside on saturday, I think.
But anyway, today we laidaround and watched finished
season three of White Lotus.
It's excellent.
Very dark, very good.
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I've never seen it, any of it.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
It's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yep.
I don't have anything going on.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah, I know, it's just more of the same.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Every day is a new adventure, oh well, in life and
at work.
So yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
So we're just not going to have.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I have a lot today, this is a lot.
Yep, yep, I have a lot today,this is a lot.

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So anyway, yep, just a littleplug real quick, but anyway,
back to Heather.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
So yeah, I didn't.
So she sent me a new templatefor our script and I don't know
why I can't use it.
I don't know why it justrefuses.
It's okay, I'll just keepsending it to her every few
weeks and be, like hey, I made anew template, you really should
send it again, because I thinkI might have deleted that email.
Okay so you probably should,because I don't know, I'm dumb.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Anyway, I can do that Today I do.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
We're going to try and keep the chit chat to a
minimum up front, because thisis a topic that Heather is very
passionate about you all aregoing to learn a lot about me
today.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yes, she is a huge geek for this.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
So we're going to fuck around and find out about
the Titanic.
So this week is the anniversaryof the sinking of the Titanic,
if that's what you want to callit, an anniversary, april 14th,
191212, I'm just gonna.
I mean, if you don't know whatthe fuck happened on the titanic

(03:32):
, right, I don't know whereyou've been for the last hundred
years, correct?
But just briefly, the boatsinks.
Yes, everybody gets on it.
Not enough light boats, oh nothe boat sinks.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh, hitting an iceberg, don't forget that part.
Oh yeah, hitting an iceberg.
That's why it sinks.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, so the band plays on.
I don't know what else you needto know, but I know that you're
probably asking, heather, howdoes this relate to being Gen X?
Well, yeah, I'll tell you.

(04:08):
Uh, first I'm gonna give you alittle spoiler alert.
Um, the wreck of the britishocean liner rms titanic lies at
a depth of about 12 500 feet,about 325 nautical miles
southeast off the coast ofNewfoundland.
It lies in two main pieces,about 2,000 feet apart.

(04:31):
The vowel is still recognizable, with many preserved interiors,
despite deterioration anddamage sustained by hitting the
sea floor.
So well, first, I'm going totouch on it later, but I'll tell
you why this A, it's theanniversary, and B because Nat
Geo just put that thing out.
Oh yeah, Fucking amazing.

(04:54):
Oh it is, I'll talk about itlater but it is.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Is this the new footage from the exploration
down there?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
They have completely.
They call it a digital twintwin.
So they completely remade theentire thing what yeah, and you
can basically get like a viewfrom any angle up down left
center it's, it's the.
The documentary was okay, it'spretty cool.
I'm gonna watch it.
Um, also, I'll touch on.

(05:23):
I don't know if you allremember that is Gen X, but
there was a movie called Titanic.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Was there?
Yeah, sounds familiar yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
So the reason I say spoiler alert of where it is is
because it took forever to findit.
Nobody knew where it was.
I mean, they knew where it was,but they couldn't find it
because technology.
But they couldn't find itbecause technology.
So in the mid 1960s, a hosieryworker from Baldock, england,
named Douglas Woolley, devised aplan to find the Titanic using

(05:53):
a bath.
A bath, I meant to look whatthis meant.
I know what it means, I don'tknow how to say it.
I'm asking is it's a deep seasubmersible and raise the wreck
by inflating nylon balloons thatwould be attached to her hull?
The declared objective was tobring the wreck into liverpool
and convert it to a floatingmuseum.
The titanic salvage company wasestablished to manage the

(06:16):
scheme, and a group ofbusinessmen from west berlin set
up an entity called titanictreasure to support it
financially I did not know this.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I'm just sitting over here with a crinkled brow, like
nylon balloons.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
A oh, it gets better.
Um.
The project collapsed when itsproponents found that they could
not overcome the problem of howthe balloons would be inflated
I knew it, I knew it, I knew itwas a flawed idea.
A calculation showed that itcould take 10 years to generate
enough gas to overcome the waterpressure.
A variety of proposals tosalvage the ship were made

(06:52):
during the 70s.
One called for 180,000 tons ofmolten wax, or, alternatively,
vaseline, to be pumped into theTitanic, lifting her to the
surface.
Another proposal, wait what?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
proposal.
How would that work?
Uh, well, is vaseline buoyant,I guess?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
well, you see, I mean , it's not like getting your
head stuck between the banisteron the steps like just slip it
right out of there and it'll popback up to the surface so the
reason why whales can swimfreely is because they are the
same density as water, okay, andif you are more dense than
water, you sink.
So the whole point of likethose big cruise ships, they're

(07:36):
all filled with air.
That's how they, right, stayafloat.
I don't know if maybe vaselineis the same density as water,
okay, all right, maybe I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I don't really know what the thought process is Well
, you still gave a science A funfact.
There you go.
Thank you for saving me frommyself A whale fun fact, this
one's good too.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Another proposal involved filling the titanic
with ping pong balls oh my godbut overlooked the fact that the
balls would be crushed by thepressure long before reaching
the depth of the wreck.
A similar idea involved the useof benthos gas glass spheres
which could survive the pressure.

(08:24):
It was scrapped when the costof the number of spheres
required was put at over 238million dollars, and that was in
the 70s.
So wow, now, meanwhile, theydon't even know where.
They don't know where it isactually.
So at this point, how do you?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
humans are so stupid sometimes.
How do you devise a plan beforeyou even know what you're
dealing with?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
well, I guess they're like real.
It's gotta be, because I don'tthink at this at this point.
They don't have the technologyto be able to find.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
They have a whereabouts well, exactly, but
you said so yeah, 12,000.
Oh, even worse.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, an unemployed haulage contractor from Walsall
named Arthur Hickey proposed toencase the Titanic inside an
iceberg, freezing the wateraround the wreck in a buoyant
jacket of ice.
Ice being less dense thanliquid water, would float to the
surface and could be towed toshore also a great idea.
The boc group calculated thatthis would require half a

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million tons of liquid nitrogento be pumped down to the seabed.
In his 1976 thriller raise thetitanic, author, clive cussler's
hero, dirk pitt, repairs theholes in the titanic's hull,
pumps it full of compressed airand succeeds in making it leap
out of the waves like a modernsubmarine blowing its ballast

(09:55):
tanks and they still have noidea where it is, what condition
it's in nor do they know that.
And it did break into two, intotwo, because nobody finds that
out until later.
Yeah, that it broke into two.
Yeah, there was a lot of.
I'll get to that, okay, I think.
Remind me if I don't yeah rightLike I'm going to remember A

(10:22):
scene depicted on the posters ofthe subsequent film of the book
.
Although this was an artisticsimulation Highlight of film,
made using a 55-foot model ofthe Titanic, it would not have
been physically possible.
At the time of the book'swriting, it was still believed
that the Titanic sank in onepiece.
I just said that, see, I knowwhat I'm fucking talking about.

(10:46):
No, you do.
I dare you to find something Idon't know about the Titanic.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
You can't.
I won't try to do that.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Robert Ballard of the Woods Hole Oceanographic
Institution had long beeninterested in finding the
Titanic, despite earlynegotiations with possible
backers and being abandoned whenit emerged that they wanted to
turn the wreck into souvenirpaperweights.
Yeah, more sympathetic backersjoined Ballard to form a company
named Seasonics InternationalLTD as a vehicle for recovering

(11:20):
and exploring the Titanic.
In October 1977, he made hisfirst attempt to find the ship
with the aid of the AloquaCorporation deep sea salvage
vessel Sea Probe.
This was essentially a drillship with sonar equipment and
cameras attached to the end ofthe drilling pipe.
It could lift objects from theseabed using a remote-controlled

(11:41):
mechanical claw.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Oh, you'd be good at that I would be really good at
that.
That's why you love the Titanic.
One day you're going to save itfrom the crown of the claw.
I'm going to make a clawmachine out of it.
All those free cigarettes paidoff.
I'm going to pick up theTitanic.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Actually, you're not allowed to go to the Titanic
anymore.
Oh yeah, it's been declared agraveyard and you can no longer
go.
It's really deteriorating.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I thought they were working on tourism.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
No, as far as I know, you can't go there anymore, and
the submersibles and stuff.
You're not allowed to do any ofthat anymore.
I think that's why they did the3D thing, so that they could.
It's just dangerous at thispoint to have people going down
to it and it's a graveyard.
I don't know if you know this,but like 1,700 people died.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Oh really.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, I don't know about life though.
Oh yeah, yeah.
The expedition ended in failurewhen the drilling pipe broke,
sending 3,000 feet of pipe and$600,000 worth of electronics
plunging to the seabed, and theequivalent to that in 2024's

(12:50):
money was $3,113,344.
Leave it to humans.
Yeah.
In 1978, the Walt DisneyCompany and National Geographic
magazine considered mounting ajoint expedition to find the
Titanic Using the aluminumsubersible alumnot.
The Titanic would have beenwell within the submersible's

(13:11):
depth limits, but the plans wereabandoned for financial reasons
.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Aluminum doesn't sound sturdy enough to go under
that much pressure.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
You know, I know I can't crush aluminum.
Well, I don't think they meanlike a tin can.
It's more than that, but Idon't know.
You think it'd have to be likeI don't know.
Yeah, I don't know how thosethings work.
Me neither I don't know.
It's, there's math that's whyI'm not an engineer there's a
lot of math involved that Idon't know about.

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The next year, the britishbillionaire, financier and
tycoon, sir james gold, set upSeaWise and Titanic Salvage LTD
with the involvement ofunderwater diving and
photographic experts.
His aim was to use thepublicity of Finding the Titanic
to promote his newlyestablished magazine Now Now.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
With an exclamation point.
I've heard of that magazine Now.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
An expedition to the North Atlantic was scheduled for
1980, but was canceled due tofinancial difficulties A year
later.
Now folded after 84 issues withGoldsmith incurring huge
financial losses, fred Kohler,an electronics repairman from
Coral Gables, florida, sold hiselectronics shop to finance the

(14:24):
completion of a two-man deep seasubmersible called Seacopter.
He planned to dive to theTitanic, enter the hall and
retrieve a fabulous collectionof diamonds rumored to be
contained in the purser's safe.
However, he was unable toobtain financial backing for his
planned expedition.
Another proposal involved usinga semi-submersible platform

(14:47):
mounted with cranes resting ontwo watertight supertankers that
would winch the wreck off theseabed and carry it that sounds
totally realistic.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
And they still don't know where it is right, they
still don't know where it is.
I'm glad all this brainpower,and probably a lot of money, has
gone into planning how they'regoing to get it get something
they can't even find, they can'tfind yeah okay on july.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
In july of 1980, an expedition sponsored by texas
oil man jack graham, set offfrom port everglades, florida.
That's another thing, it's innewfoundland maybe off boston or
something right, like, at leastget yourself halfway there.
Uh, graham had previously.

(15:35):
Graham had previously sponsoredexpeditions to find noah's ark,
the loch ness, monster bigfootand the giant hole in the north
pole.
You remember when there was agiant hole in the north?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I don't yeah I, I do like that he's at least, uh,
looking for things that are real.
Now, although I do believe inlochness.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I know I don't know that lochness is still around,
but I do believe they could havebeen around and there could
have been all right anywayactually the other day somebody
did just not the other day, butI read it the other day but it's
been like for the last sixmonths or so someone did just
find like an almost fully intactum, oh, what the hell is the
name of that dinosaur?
I know one of you will know it.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Uh, sea growing it was a okay sea going.
It was they called it the t-rexof the ocean well, my only
issue with loch ness not that Idon't believe in it or don't
believe it couldn't be there, itjust wouldn't have enough food
where they were saying it wasfor enough of them to live there
to still be reproducing, right.
That's kind of like my wholething.

(16:39):
But with um, with the bigfoot,yeah, like siberia is a very big
place you know, I come and gowith bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
I think I want to believe in bigfoot.
I said to my dad one time I waslike I mean, bigfoot has to be
real right, because all of thesecultures have a name for it.
And he just, and he said to meyeah, they all have a name for
god also.
And and I was like shut yourmouth, true true.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
I guess Loch Ness has the best chance of something
like that being found, becausethere's so many sea creatures we
don't know there's so much atthe bottom, and very large sea
creatures exist that we have noidea about, so maybe it's like a
beached Loch.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Ness.
Maybe, that's what.
I thought Maybe they just liketo take trips to the lochs.
I don't know.
Family vacation?
I don't know if lochs go to theocean or what I don't know
anything about lochs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
But there's a lot of shit at the bottom of the ocean.
Maybe those little smallerbodies of water are really warm,
so it's like a spa for them.
Although I feel like there itwould be cold, yeah, but
probably warmer than where theyare if they're deep, that's true
, and like they have no crushingpressure, like they couldn't
take 80 90 degree water thatwould burn them, burn them up um

(17:58):
, yeah, to raise funds for histitanic expedition he obtained
sponsorship from friends withwhom he had played poker.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
they'll bet on anything, so I believe.
He sold media rights throughthe william morris agency,
commissioned a book and obtainedthe services of orson wells to
narrate a documentary.
He acquired scientific supportfrom columbia university by
noting30,000 to theLamont-Doherty Geological

(18:26):
Observatory for the purchase ofa wide-sweep sonar in exchange
for five years of use of theequipment and the services of
technicians to support it.
Doctors William BF Ryan ofColumbia and Fred Spies of
Scripps Institution ofOceanography in California
joined the expedition asconsultants.

(18:47):
The expedition was almostcanceled when Grimm asked them
to use a monkey trained to pointat a spot on the map to
supposedly indicate where theTitanic was.
The scientists issued anultimatum it's either us or the
monkey.
Grimm preferred the monkey butwas.
But I get that but went withthe scientists instead.

(19:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I mean, I hope he kept the monkey as a pet, as a
side project here.
Monkey.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Here's a map Where's Bigfoot?
I mean, he would probably knowmore where bigfoot was, and he
might, yeah, monkeys know it all.
Yeah, exactly monkeys.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Creep me out, I don't like monkeys I know my husband
loves monkeys like he followscertain like.
There's this monkey kiki, thatlike, and these crazy people
that live like in uh tennesseesomewhere and they have this big
farm and they have baby camelsand a big monkey cape entrapment
not entrapment, I mean well,except these animals have a

(19:55):
really good life, so yeah.
But every time he shows me I'mlike, oh yeah, I don't get it.
It's like having a baby, a atoddler their entire life.
That can rip your face off.
Why would you want a pet thatneeds a toddler's worth of
attention for its entire?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
lifespan and could rip your face off.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
No thanks, that's my thing.
They're still wild animals.
Cats and dogs are domesticated.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
For a very long time.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Those animals are not domesticated and if they are,
it's, like you said, probablyless than a generation worth.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, it's a no for me on the monkeys.
Yeah, yeah, same, you gotta buydiapers.
Yeah, if I didn't buy diapers,I would have had a kid.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
They fling their poop , yeah, and they can rip your
face off.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
More importantly, I feel like it really is the most
valid point and I'll stop.
Yeah, okay, Okay.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
The results were inconclusive, as three weeks of
surveying in almost continuousbad weather during July and
August in 1980 failed to findthe Titanic.
You know, in the middle ofhurricane season Mm-hmm In the
North Atlantic.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Excellent yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Smart.
The problem was exacerbated bytechnological limitations.
The c-mark sonar used by theexpedition had a relatively low
resolution resolution and was anew and untested piece of
equipment.
It was nearly lost only 36hours after it was first
deployed, so wheeze when thetail was ripped off during a
sharp turn these guys, guyssound like the Three Stooges

(21:23):
trying to find Everybody.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
They all sound like the Three Stooges trying to find
it.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yes, it took a sharp turn, destroying the magnometer
which would have been vital fordetecting the Titanic's hull.
Nonetheless, it surveyed anarea of some 500 square nautical
miles and identified 14possible targets.
A documentary of thisexpedition, featuring Wells, was
titled Search for the Titanicin 1981.

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Grimm mounted a secondexpedition in June of 81 aboard
the research vessel Geyer, withspies and Ryan again joining the
expedition.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
So they signed on again To increase their chances
of finding the wreck.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
The team employed a much more compatible sonar
device.
The scripts deep toe.
The weather was again very poor, Okay, and they went in
Hurricane.
Oh Lord, have mercy, yeah.
In Newfoundland All 14 targetswere successfully covered and
found to be natural features.
On the last day of theexpedition, an object that

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looked like a propeller wasfound.
Grimm announced on his returnto Boston that the Titanic had
been found, but the scientistsdeclined to endorse his
identification.
The object would never be seenagain.
She's gone so he swore he foundit yeah and then it was just
gone yeah, I think our presidentmight be reincarnated

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documentary of this expeditionfeaturing james shrewry was
titled return to the titanic in1981.
This and the previous film werelater combined to a single
production in search of theTitanic.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
You keep blowing my mind, first of all because you
keep saying 1980, 1981.
I'm like, oh yeah, that wasn'tthat long ago.
I'm like, man, that reallyisn't that long ago that we
didn't know where the Titanicwas.
And then I'm like, oh, that wasa long time ago.
Forty years, yeah, titanic was.
And then I'm like, oh, that wasa long time ago, 40 years.
Yeah, we're old now.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Sorry well, and that's why this is all gen x
related, because they found theexactly in our time.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
You are exactly right .
It's like talking about worldwar ii when we were kids.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, that's nuts, it is sorry, gen x sorry I know I
think they said that my birthdayis closer to World War II than
it is to today.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
It's crazy, right.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
It is Anyway, sorry, thanks.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
In July of 83, Grimm went back a third time with Ryan
aboard the research vesselRobert D Conrad.
The research vessel, the RobertD Conrad, which seems like a
whole lot of name for a boat.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
They were trying to honor way too many people.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Nothing was found and bad weather brought an early
end to the expedition Like whydo you keep going back in June,
july and August?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
So that when they don't find it, they can be like,
oh, it's the weather's fault.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Although I don't know that, there is a nice time of
year up there.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Probably not, but they're probably better.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
I mean, I think they have like nor'easters and stuff
in the winter.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'd imagine spring's pretty, but everything's
probably frozen.
Yeah, that might be why they doit in the fall.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I mean, they could look for that.
They have to wait for.
You know what they should havedone?
They should have looked for thedamn iceberg that had pieces of
the titanic stuck to it.
Yes, you're a genius, I knowit's already been found, so okay
, uh bad weather although theydid not know it at the time.
The sea mark had passed over thetitanic but failed to detect it
, while deep toe had passedwithin one and a half nautical
miles of the wreck Mm-hmm,trifling Mm-hmm, the ship sank.

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It was clear that the positiongiven in the Titanic's distress
signals was inaccurate, whichwas a major expedition
difficulty because it increasedthe search area's already
expansive size.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
How dare they send a distress signal in an?

Speaker 1 (25:30):
inconvenient place In 1912, they didn't know exactly
where they were going.
Despite the failure of this ofhis 77 expedition, ballard had
not given up on hope and haddevised new technologies and a
new search strategy to tacklethe problem.
The new technology was a systemcalled argo jason.

(25:50):
This consisted of a remotecontrolled deep sea vehicle
called argo, equipped with sonarand cameras, and towed behind
the ship with a robot calledJason yeah, and they were
tethered together so it couldroam the seafloor, take close-up
images and gather specimens.
The images from the systemwould be transmitted back to a
control room on a towing vesselwhere they could be assessed

(26:14):
immediately.
Although it was designed forscientific purposes, it also had
important military applications, and the United States Navy
agreed to sponsor the system'sdevelopment on condition that it
was used to carry out a numberof programs, many still
classified.
So the Navy commissionedBallard and his team to carry
out a month-long expeditionevery year for four years to

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keep Argo Jason in good workingcondition.
It agreed to Ballard's proposalto use some of the time to
search for the Titanic Once theNavy's objectives had been met.
The search would provide anideal opportunity to test Argo
Jason.
In 1984, the Navy sent Ballardand Argo to map the wreck of the
sunken nuclear submarines theUSS Thresher and the USS

(26:58):
Scorpion.
They were lost in the NorthAtlantic at depths up to 9,800
feet.
The expedition found thesubmarines and made an important
discovery about how shipworksbehave as they sink.
As Thresher and Scorpion sank,debris spilled out from them
across a wide area of the seabedand was sorted by the currents
Duh Duh yeah, and was sorted bythe currents Duh Duh yeah, so

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the light debris driftedfurthest away from the site of
the sinking.
The debris field was far largerthan the wrecks themselves.
By following the comet-liketrail of the debris, the main
pieces of wreckage could befound.
A second expedition to map thewreck of Scorpion was mounted in
1985.
Only 12 days search time wouldbe left at the end of the

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expedition to look for theTitanic.
As Harris Grimm's unsuccessfulefforts had taken more than 40
days, ballard decided that extrahelp would be needed.
He approached the FrenchNational Oceanography Agency,
ifrm, which with Woods Hole hadpreviously collaborated.
The agency had recentlydeveloped a high-resolution

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side-scan sonar and agreed tosend a research vessel.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
And they still haven't found it right.
No Okay, but at least they'reworking on finding it.
They're real close.
Oh, I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
To survey the seabed in the area where the Titanic
was believed to lie.
The idea was for the French touse the sonar to find likely
targets and then for theAmericans to use Argo to check
out the targets and hopefullyconfirm whether they were in
fact the wreck.
The French team spent fiveweeks, from theth of july to the

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12th of august 1995, mowing thelawn, sailing back and forth
across the 150 square nauticalmile target area to scan the
seabed in a series of stripes,but they found nothing oh my god
, that sounds so tedious however, it turned out later that they
had passed within a few hundredyards of the titanic in their
first run.
What ballard.

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This is suspenseful right thatwould so happen to me it's so
suspenseful it is, I'm excitedballard realized that looking
for the wreckage itself usingsonar was unlikely to be
successful, so he adopted adifferent tactic.
Drawing on the knowledge gainedduring the searches for the
submarine thresher and scorpion,he instead searched for the

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debris field using argos camerasrather than sonar.
While sonar cannot distinguishhuman-made debris on the seabed
from natural objects, camerascan.
Oh, the debris field was also afar bigger target, stretching
one nautical mile or longer,whereas the titanic itself was
only 90 feet wide.
The search requiredround-the-clock towing of argo's

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back and argo back and forthabove the seabed, which shifts
of watchers aboard the researchvessel, nor looking at the
camera pictures for any sign ofdebris.
After a week's fruitlesssearching, at 1248 am on Sunday,
september 1st 1985.
Oh my God, pieces of debrisbegan to appear on Noor's

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screens.
One of them was identified as aboiler.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
That would be so satisfying.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
You can on that new Nat Ge nat geo thing he talks
about it.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I just want all the joy and, um uh, happy feeling.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
I don't want all the tedious work one of them was
identified as a boiler identicalto those shown in the pictures
from 1911.
The following day, the mainpart of the wreck was found and
argo sent back the firstpictures of the titanic since
her sinking, 73 years before thediscovery made headlines around
the world.

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So so this was 83, 85, 85, soit's funny 12, because on this
documentary he talks about itand he was like we were all
yelling and cheering and and hewas like, and then it dawned on
me this was a graveyard and hewas like he was like, and it got
somber real quick.
He was like, but we had all beenso excited about it yeah,

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finding it and he was like, andthen it dawns on you and uh, it
gets.
I'll tell you why it gets in asecond yeah, yeah the dsv alvin,
used in 1986 to mount the firstcrude expedition to the wreck
of the titanic.
Following the discovery of thewreck site, ballard returned to
the titanic in july of 86 aboardthe research vessel the rv

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atlantis.
The rv atlantis 2, now the deepdiving submersible dsv alvin
could take people back to theTitanic for the first time since
her sinking, and the remoteoperated vehicle Jason Jr would
allow the explorers toinvestigate the interior of the
wreck.
Another system, angus, was usedto carry out photo surveys of

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the debris field.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Jason Jr, oh my God, it's extra funny because my
husband's name is jason.
I call him jay and but I know,you know, but the listeners
don't know, and that's why wekeep giggling a little extra
hard.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Every time I read it, I automatically think of him
our little jj jason jr.
Another system, angus, was usedto carry out photo surveys of
the debris.
Jason Jr I should remember thatJason Jr was where we were
Descended the ruined GrandStaircase as far as B deck and

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photographed remarkablywell-preserved interiors,
including some chandeliers stillhanging from the ceilings.
So look at this.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
We're going to nerd out here a second I'm going'm
gonna I should probably not doit now, because I'm sure you had
me at chandelier, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
The insanity of the stuff that they have a recovered
and b they show you in thephotos is astounding that it is
still there this long after.
I mean, and it's like doll'sheads and um, there's so

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obviously there's no bodiesbecause you're well, they said
there could still be some likeweight in the in the boiler
rooms and stuff like that, butthey it's, it's highly yeah at
this point, um so instead ofbodies and bones get crushed and
all and all of that, it's justshoes.
So you'll find a pair of shoes,or two pairs of shoes, and

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that's where somebody died.
Oh, my god, where their bodysettled anyway, yeah, it's, but
just I've been to a couple ofthe titanics, um uh, moving
exhibitions yes and I mean onehad a leather wallet with money
still in it, perfectly like.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
It's fucking amazing, it's just it's that kind of
stuff is what I love.
That's why I love tv.
Like I like going to museumsand I read the.
But it's not the same as whenyou watch, like a documentary on
Nat Geo, about the Titanic oror even mysteries at the museum.
Like I love that show becausethey're taking one piece of
something from a museum andthey're telling you in detail

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like where it was, who was withit, what happened with it, and
that's what I love Museums.
I kind of get lost in the sauce, like there's too much.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
They have in Orlando, they have a Titanic Museum and
we went.
Well, I talked One year, mywhole family went.
It was like a two-weeksituation.
They got a time share for twoweeks and then my mom and dad

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spent the first like four daysthere by themselves.
My sister and her husband andone kid because the other one
wasn't born yet went down in themiddle, and then I came down
and then I spent the rest of thetime so my mom and dad were
there for a little while.
We were all together.
And so my mom and dad werethere for a little while we were
all together and then my momand dad left.
So when my mom and dad left Iwas begging please, can we go to
this titanic museum please?
And you know, you don't, youall don't know, but she knows,

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my sister she was like her andher husband.
Both were like we do not want toget bored, yeah, at this
titanic medium.
But when you get there, theygive you a boarding pass and
that's who you are and you don'tknow until the end whether you
lived or not yeah and then youwalk through and they have like
a recreation of the cabins, likethird class, first class, um.

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They have one part where you gointo like it's like a walk-in
freezer and it's the the it wasthere.
And then they have like what,um, iceberg feels like in there
and like just all the they have.
Was that where they had the bigpiece of it, or was that vegas?
One of them has a giant likeand I mean like the size of a

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room piece of it that theybrought up.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Wow yeah, and they have it hanging um.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
So they were just then, they were into like, they
were fully immersed in theexperience, and my nephew kept
getting grumpy because he was alittle baby, he was a kid and
didn't want, did not care aboutthe Titanic and they kept
getting upset because one ofthem would have to take him
outside and miss part, and misspart of it anyway.
Anyway, I converted them andthey were very excited about it.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
They also have the grand staircase, like a replica
of the grand staircase that youcan stand on and you can
actually get married on it.
I know.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
What.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Next time.
I thought, it, but I wasn'tgoing to say it.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
There won't be a next time.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Between the 25th of July and the 10th of September
1987, an expedition mounted byIFMIR and a consortium of
American investors whichincluded George Tulloch, g
Michael Harris, d Michael Harrisand Ralph White, made 32 dives
since the Titanic using thesubmersible submersible, not not
tile, not tile.
Controversially, they salvagedand brought ashore more than
1800 objects.
A joint Russian CanadianAmerican expedition took place

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in 1991.
Cause, I guess the Cold War wasover so you didn't have
anything else to do.
Using the research vessel.
It's Russian and it's two Mirsubmersibles Sponsored by
Stephen Lowe and IMAX, cbs,national Geographic and others.
The expedition carried outextensive scientific research

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with a crew of 130 scientistsand engineers.
The Mirs carried out 17 dives,spending over 140 hours at the
bottom, shooting 40,000 feet ofIMAX film.
This was used to create the1992 documentary film Titanica,
which was later released in theUS on DVD in a re-edited version
narrated by Leonard Nimoy, andso you can only imagine that

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that would be the greatest thing.
So there are a couple of moviesabout the other than
documentaries, but my twofavorites obviously is the one
that James Cameron did, butthere's one called a night to
remember and it's black andwhite and it is one of my
favorites.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Oh, I think I would enjoy that.
Yeah, it's.
It's like fs or 60s.
The Poseidon Adventure is oneof my favorites.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I would like it.
I don't want to spoil it foryou, but the vote sinks.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Damn it, I can't believe.
You told me I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I Frim and RMS Titanic Inc.
The successors to the sponsorsof the 87 Expedition, returned
to the wreck with Nautil and theROV Robin in June 1990.
What is up with the namingthese things people names?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
In June 90, I mean, my Roomba is named Alice, so I
guess I can't True that.
Over the course of 15 days theymade 15 dives lasting between 8
and 12 hours each.
Another 800 artifacts wererecovered during the expedition,
including a two-ton piece ofreciprocating engine, a lifeboat
davit and the steam whistlefrom the ship's forward funnel.

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That's what I'm saying.
Like all this shit is likestill fucking there, like it's
just there.
That's what I'm saying.
Like all this shit is likestill fucking there, like it's
just there, mm-hmm.
In 93, 94, 96, and 98, rmsTitanic Inc carried out an

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intensive series of dives thatled to the recovery of over
4,000 items in the first twoexpeditions alone.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, the section had come loose either during the
sinking or as a result of theimpact with the seabed.
Its recovery usingdiesel-filled flotation bags was
turned into something of anentertainment event, with two
cruise ships accompanying theexpedition to the wreck site.
Passengers were offered thechance, at $5,000 per person, to
watch the recovery ontelevision screens in their

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cabins while enjoying luxuriousaccommodations.
And if I had had five thousanddollars and knew about that, I a
hundred percent would have donethat because I wanted to do the
qe2 yeah when they do.
I don't know if they ever did.
They were supposed to do it forthe 100th anniversary.
It was supposed to.
I would have had I had themoney for that, I would have
fucking done that yeah, and Iwould have run into an iceberg.

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Las Vegas style shows and casinogambling aboard the ships.
Right there you sold me.
Various celebrities wererecruited to enliven the
proceedings, including BurtReynolds, debbie Reynolds and
Buzz Aldrin.
No-transcript.
The lift ended disastrouslywhen rough water caused the rope

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supporting the bags to snap.
At the moment the ropes broke.
The hull section had beenlifted to within only 200 feet
of the surface.
That's a kick in the dick.
It hurtled 12,000 feet backdown, embedding itself upright
on the seafloor.
The attempt was stronglycriticized by marine
archaeologists, scientists andhistorians as a money-making

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publicity stunt.
Several publications comparedthe event to grave robbing, and
Ballard called the event acarnival and stated that we
tried to put it to rest.
But this perpetuates thetragedy.
A second successful attempt tolift the fragment was carried
out in 98.
The so-called big piece wasconserved in a laboratory in

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Santa Fe for two years beforebeing put on display at the
Luxor Las Vegas Hotel, which iswhere I fucking saw it.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Mystery solved there it is.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
It was at the Luxor In 1995, Canadian director James
Cameron chartered the academicMislav, the Russian ship, and
the Mirs to make 12 dives to theTitanic.
Okay, so James Cameron isprobably more obsessed with the
Titanic than literally anybodyelse on Earth.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Correct.
Well, you two might be equallyobsessed, but he has the funds.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
He has the money.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
You would do the same thing with the money if you had
it.
That is true.
Yeah, you're right, you're thepoor man's, james.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Cameron.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
James Cameron.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yes, I am.
He used the footage in hisblockbuster 1997 film Titanic.
What, yeah?
The discovery of the wreck anda National Geographic
documentary of Ballard's 1986expedition had inspired him to
write a synopsis in 1987 of whateventually became the film.
Do a story with bookends ofpresent day, scenes of wreck

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using submersibles in your cut,with memories of a survival and
recreated scenes of the night ofthe sinking.
A crucible of human valuesunder stress.
The 2000 expedition by RMSTitanic Inc carried out 28 dives
during which over 800 artifactswere recovered, including the
ship's engine, telegraphs,perfume vials and watertight

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door gears.
So the movie let's just talkabout.
I'm gonna go on a titanic movie.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
The movie's fine.
I know you've never seen it,right?
Yeah, I never have um.
Just I've never been into lovestories and it's more of a love
story I feel like than anything,and also I knew how it ended.
I know bad joke, but it's myjoke for it.
And also, however, if anyone isgoing to make a movie about the
Titanic, I think James Cameronis perfect for it for it in this

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documentary, the new one, thenet geo.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
He said that, um he, he wanted to recreate it as
exactly as he could, and he diddown to the china pattern and
everything he did um, he did getone thing wrong.
He was he.
He showed that it broke apart,but um, it did not bob up and
down like it did not?
It bobbed up and down, but itdid not slam back down okay,

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well, that was for theatrical no, he thought that's what
happened.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Oh yeah, um, but did he not know better back then?
No, they did not know.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
But that they?
They were just finding out thatit had broken in two when he
was fucking dying to make thismovie.
Yeah, he's like all right, Ihave enough info, let's go so
let's just for one second talkabout the possibly most
controversial part of the movietitanic okay could jack and rose

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have fit on the door?

Speaker 2 (45:06):
I mean I'm gonna say you at least had to give it a go
.
Like I've not seen it.
However, I know all of thereferences, I know the movie, I
know the actors.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
So this is the most hotly debated topic of that
movie well, yeah, at least tryright all right, I want to hear
your opinion of it jack couldnot have fit on the floating
door with rose because the doorwas a door frame, not a door,
and the weight of both of themwould have caused it to sink.
James cameron conducted ascientific study with stunt

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people and hypothermia expertsto determine if jack could have
survived, and the real resultsindicated that he would have
succumbed to hypothermia.
But you still try Mythbusters.
The Mythbusters experimentsuggested that both Jack and
Rose could have fit on the door.
They also noted that it wouldhave been difficult to maintain
balance and that Jack wouldlikely have died from

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hypothermia.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yes, but what if there's another boat just right
nearby?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
that was just popping by and okay, and titanic, uh
rose, wasn't on the door but onthe doorframe.
Um, the door.
Here's a more detailedbreakdown.
The door is a doorframe.
The prop often referred to as adoor is actually a section of
the door from the first classlounge, not a complete door.
The weight of two people,especially in wet clothes, would

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have made it difficult for thedoor frame to stay afloat.
The mythbusters found that,while both people could
technically fit, the door framewould mostly be submerged and
would not be a safe place forlong-term survival.
Okay, the cold water would havecaused hypothermia, making it
unlikely that both could havesurvived.
James Cameron study concludedthat it was not viable.

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I already said that, so thatends that.
No.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Well, here's my other question Was the doorframe
enough to support one person andkeep them from dying from
hypothermia?

Speaker 1 (47:04):
She was completely out of the water on it, was she?
Yes, okay, um, so yeah, and hewas hanging on the side of it,
okay.
And then he's, he got spoileralert, he dies and he and she
peels his little fingers off andyeah, and then she blows the
whistle and they find her.
And yeah, yeah, no-transcript,which had offered a free dive to

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the Titanic that Leva Woods hadwon.
He asked whether his fiancecould come too, and was told
that she could, but only if sheagreed to get married during the
trip.
I would not have done thatbecause I don't think that's
okay.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
No, but it sounds about right for people with
money to try to make money.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, the same company also brought along
Philip Littlejohn, the grandsonof one of the Titanic's
surviving crew members, whobecame the first descendant of a
Titanic passenger or crewmember to visit the wreck.
Cameron himself also returnedto the titanic in 2001 to carry
out filming for walt disneypictures ghost of the abyss,
filmed in 3d.
In 2003 and 2004, the the usnational oceanography and

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atmospheric administration, noah, carried out two expeditions to
the titanic.
The first, carried out betweenj 22nd and July 2nd 2003,
performed four dives in two days.
Its key aims were to assess thecurrent condition of the wreck
and carry out scientificobservations to support ongoing
research.
The stern section, which hadpreviously received relatively

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little attention from explorers,was specifically targeted for
analysis.
The microbial colonies aboardthe Titanic were also a key
focus of investigation.
A second expedition from May toJune 2004 saw the return of
Robert Ballard to the Titanic,nearly 20 years after he
discovered it.
The expedition spent 11 days onthe wreck, carrying out

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high-resolution mapping usingvideo and stereoscopic still
images.
In 2005, there were twoexpeditions to the titanic.
James cameron returned for thethird and last time to film last
mysteries of the titanic.
Another expedition searched forpreviously unseen pieces of
wreckage and led to thedocumentary titanic's final
moment missing pieces.

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We're still not done.
RMS Titanic mounted furtherexpeditions to the Titanic in
2004 and 2010, when the firstcomprehensive map of the entire
debris field was produced.
Two autonomous underwatervehicles, torpedo-shaped robots,
repeatedly ran backward andforward across the 3-byx5

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nautical mile debris field,taking sonar scans and over
130,000 high-resolution images.
This enabled a detailedphotosomatic of the debris field
to be created for the firsttime, giving scientists a much
clearer view of the dynamics ofthe ship sinking.
It encountered difficulties.

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Several hurricanes passed overthe wreck and one of the rovs
was caught in a piece ofwreckage.
I remember that too.
The same year saw the discoveryof the new bacteria living in
the rusticles on the titaniclatin words that I don't know

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that name bacteria.
By april 2012, 100 years sincethe disaster and nearly 25 years
since discovery of the wreck,around 140 people had visited
the wreck on fort on the 14th ofapril 2012, the 100th
anniversary of the ship sinkingthe wreck of the Titanic became
eligible for protection underthe 2001 UNESCO Convention on

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the Protection of the UnderwaterCultural Heritage.
In the same month, robertBallard, the wreck's discoverer,
announced a plan to preservethe wreck of the Titanic by
using deep-sea robots to paintthe wreck with anti-fouling
paint to keep the wreck in itscurrent state for all time.
The proposed plan that Ballardannounced had been outlined in a
documentary made in time withthe Titanic's 100th sinking

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anniversary, called Save theTitanic with Bob Ballard.
He himself talks about how heproposed the paint job on the
wreck will work.
Job on the wreck will work.
Ballard said that he proposedto robotically clean, clean and
repaint the titanic with a colorscheme mimicking rusticles,
because he saw originalanti-fouling paint on the ship's
hull which was still workingeven after 74 years on the

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seabed all right yeah I can'tkeep letting you talk without
saying what an incredible wasteof money it would be to repaint
the titanic that pink colorbecause it's a pink.
It was a pink stripe, any color.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
If you've seen the pictures, I mean it's a wreck 12
000 feet under the sea, likeyes, okay, I'm sorry, some
people just have more money thanthey know what to do with.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yes, in august 2019, a team of explorers and
scientists used deep submergencevehicles limiting factor to
visit the wreck, marketing thefirst crewed dive to the ship in
14 years.
Five dives took place over aperiod of eight days in 4K

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resolution for the first time,and dedicated photogrammetry
passes were performed to createhighly accurate and photoreal 3D
models of the wreck.
Footage from the dive was usedfor a documentary filmed by
Atlantic Productions.
The documentary was Back to theTitanic, aired on Nat Geo in
2020.
In May 2023.

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We're almost here.
The mapping company Magellanand the film production company
the Atlantic Productions createdthe first full-size digital
scan of the Titanic usingdeep-sea mapping.
The 3D view of the entire shipenables it to be seen as if the
water has been drained away.
It is hoped the scan can shednew light on the sinking, and I

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think that's what the nat geo is.
Oh, yeah, then, um, americancompany?
Oh, so that?
Okay?
The american company ocean gatebegan conducting commercial
submersible tours of the wreckin july 2021 using its
submersible titan on.
June 18th 2023, titan implodednear the wreck during a dive,

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killing pilots Scott StocktonRush and four passengers.
The wreckage of the Titan waslocated roughly 500 meters or
1,600 feet, from the bow of theTitanic.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Is that the submersible that I'm thinking of
?
That was that long ago, 2023.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
It's only been two years.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, I thought you said adifferent year, no 2023.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
That was awful, uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
The incident prompted James Cameron to remark.
Now there's one wreck lyingnext to the other wreck.
For the same damn reason.
On July 6th 2023, ocean Gatesuspended all operations.
On July 2024, rms Titanic heldtheir first expedition to the

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wreck in 14 years.
They did more photography, andthat's the National Geo.
Hold on, okay.
So some of the Titanic's faunahas never been seen anywhere
else.
James Cameron's 2001 expeditiondiscovered a previously unknown
type of sea cucumber lavenderwith a glowing row of
phosphorescent portholes alongits side.
A newly discovered species ofrust-eating bacterium found on

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the ship has been named theLatin thing that I said which
has been found to cause rapiddecay of the wreck.
Henrietta Mann, who discoveredthe bacteria, has estimated that
the Titanic will completelycollapse, possibly as soon as
2030.
The Canadian geophysicist,steve Blasco, has commented that
the wreck has become an oasis,a thriving ecosystem sitting in

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a vast desert.
In mid-2016, the facilities ofthe Institute, french words used
neutron imaging to demonstratethat a molecule called ectin is
used by that bacteria toregulate fluid balance and cell
volume to survive at suchpressures and salinities.

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So they have determined thatthe wreck of the Titanic will
not exist by 2037 and thatpreservation of the Titanic is
impossible.
Unfortunately, because Titanicis 2.3 miles down, it is very
difficult or impossible topreserve.
Because Titanic is 2.3 milesdown, it is very difficult or
impossible to preserve.
It's film that.
So that's why I think they didthis documentary, because it's

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not got long.
I mean, that's only 10 yearsfrom now.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I mean and I'm good with it too Like what is there
really to learn from it aboutthe wreck itself?
It hit an iceberg and it sank.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Well, and, if you want, and this documentary, they
show exactly what happened.
Yeah, they've got it now.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
And she belongs to the sea now.
Things have moved in, and whycontinue with it?
We've gotten a lot of artifactsfrom it.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I don't agree, so be satisfied.
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's fine, it's so hard because it is a
grave site and a lot of peopledied there, 1700 people died.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, I don't know I mean it is fascinating, but we
have photos of it before.
It's like we know what itlooked like, we know what was on
it.
We've gotten artifacts.
Yeah, I don't know, but I'm notlike a super fan either.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
So I just I think it's.
I actually saw it before doingthis.
I thought that they had cut offum anybody going to it a while
ago for that reason that it was,it was hollowed ground.
But I guess I was wrong.
I guess I made that up, um, sothey did do.

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The one-to-one digital model ofthe wreck, which is accurate to
the rivet, helped to work outexactly what happened to the
ship's passengers and crew,based on scientific evidence
rather than theories.
So this is the Nat Geo specialFollows, a team of renowned
experts, historians andengineers as they explore the
virtual recreation usingadvanced forensic analysis.
As they explore the virtualrecreation using advanced

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forensic analysis, their missionis to review and challenge
long-held assumptions, includingreconstructing a
minute-by-minute timeline of thetragedy to uncover new insights
into the ship's final momentson that fateful night in 1912.
April 14th yesterday marks the113th anniversary of the
Titanic's sinking.

(58:05):
Wow, yes, so it will not behere in our lifetime it will be
gone.
It will just be.
What did they call it?
They called it a.
Uh, I think titanic maybe has15 or 20 years left.
Uh, it would last no longer.
It would just be a stain, arust stain on the bottom I was
gonna say does it just rust out?
Yeah, yeah, they say by 2037it'll be gone and it'll just be

(58:31):
nothing left but a rust stain onthe bottom of the Atlantic.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Huh, yeah, so it just rusts away.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah, it's getting eaten by the little Latin
bacteria.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, exactly, and I guess eventually it'll just get
covered with seafloor, seafloorand nobody keeps moving.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
yeah, yeah, yep, that's crazy, bye bitches, it's.
It's just, it's one of those.
I don't know what got me intothe titanic.
Yeah, I don't know either.
I don't.
I just like a disaster, I think.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah and it's, and it was so popular when we were
kids, like we always knew aboutthe titanic, I guess that's why,
because they found it in 85before the movie yeah, yeah, and
I'm sure it was all overeverywhere and yeah, and had
been for years because they hadbeen trying to find it.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah and then, no, they couldn't.
It's just, I did think thatthey had made it.
I didn't realize that the Iknew the Titan was going near it
, but I didn't think they wereallowed to go to it anymore.
I really did think, well, Iguess I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
But I'm sure in some way You're right.
It's just.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
And, like you said, what do you need to go back for?
Yeah, now you have thisone-to-one.
They called it a digital twin.
And the documentary is reallygood and you can really see it,
and one of the things JamesCameron was talking about was
because he said when you firstcome up on it, you come up on
the bow, like you know whenJames Cameron did, when you come

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up on it, you come up on thebow and it's just like that
would you know when JamesCameron did when?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
you come up on it, you come up on the bow, and it's
just like that would be amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
He was like it's just all dark.
And then there it is, yeah, andhe was like he said the same
thing that Ballard did.
They were.
He was so excited and screamingand hooting and hollering and
then he was like oh, yeah, damn,that would be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Like yesterday, I watched Gayle King go into space
on Jeff Bezos.
I love Gayle King, I thinkshe's awesome, but you're making
me think of that because shewas absolutely terrified, like
the other five women on the shipwere excited and smiling and

(01:00:42):
she just looks like she iswalking to her death like, and
that I would be exactly the sameway.
But I was thinking about itwhile you were talking and I
have no interest in space, butthat what you just said about
being down and not submersiveand just rolling up and being on
the bow like yes, I would wantto do that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
I think I would.
I don't know, I would, becauseA if you're going to die, that's
a quick, motherfucking death.
Oh, yeah, like they said thepeople on the Titan didn't even
have Maybe for a second.
No, they didn't even have that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Oh, ok, they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
From the time the hole happened, or whatever
happened, till the time theywere vaporized was less than a
second.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
OK, like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Whatever happened until the time they were
vaporized was less than a second.
Okay, like they didn't evenhave time to think there's a
hole.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Nothing Gone, just gone.
Their families are just here togrieve, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah, and that's sad, but you know, and the same
thing with, like you know, it'sthe same way I feel about all
the space tragedies too.
Those people died doing whatthey loved.
They knew it was a risk.
You know it's a risk.
Yes, even if they had run theshuttle 500 times, you still you

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get you're strapping yourselfon a rocket with a lot of gas in
it and you're kind of a guineapig, you're going in the grand
scheme of things, we know verylittle I mean, it's just, it is.
But to be able to, to run up onthat bow would just be, and you
know this, the all the humanstories.
I don't want to go into allthem because we would have been

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here for like four and a halfhours.
Yeah, um, there was a guggenheimon there that died although I
did want to tell you in thisdocumentary, they did find out.
So there was a lot ofcontroversy about one of the
crew members I don't remember ifit's the one that James Cameron

(01:02:36):
had shoot people on in themovie, although he did feel
guilty about that because thatwas an actual person and he
doesn't know.
He took liberty with that andhe thought better of it.
Was an actual person and hedoesn't know.
He took liberty with that andhe thought better of it.
He thought he should have madeit a more of a um anonymous
right like just a member of thecrew, not give him an actual
crew member's name?
Right anyway there was a lot ofcontroversy over this one crew

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member that um.
Some of the other crew membersthat survived said that he got
swept off the deck while tryingto put a lifeboat over, and
which lifeboat and then otherpeople said they saw him trying
to get in lifeboats and it waslike a whole.
He died right but there was alot of tarnishing and in this

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they were able to go to the, thelifeboat, the area that he was
supposed to be at, and they saidthat at the time it was going
down the bow, because I think itwas up on the bow when it was
going down the angle.

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They did a lot of science theangle at which the hoisty things
on it and the way it was brokenwould have indicated that it
was being dropped at the timeand that it probably sunk so
fast there that he probably didget pulled off the oh, yeah, so
they did clear that guy's nameyou know, 100.

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But I mean, it's just if theyput that show on the road where
you can just walk through like a, like a hologram of it or
something man I would do thatit's anyway, yeah, that would be
cool there's a lot of reallycool stories about.
You know, of course, thisunsinkable molly brown, and you

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know there's a lot of very richpeople on there that well, I
mean, you love the titanic somuch you can dedicate another
episode to another four and ahalf hours.
Yes, of the titanic.
I love it.
Yep, anyway, that's the.
That's the finding of theTitanic and not the sinking of
the Titanic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
That was very fun, very informative.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Thanks, I didn't have any really fun facts, but I
don't know that there aren't anyfun facts about the Titanic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah, well, yeah, it's kind of a I can't think of
the word Sad tragedy, I guessbecause it's so far removed from
it, that it's you know it issad.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
But I want to go to.
I do want to go to nova scotia.
Um, they have a.
They have.
That's where the, that's theway the graveyard is.
I know I want to go with theband and I have yeah, they have
a whole big museum and then youcan walk the grounds of the, the
graveyard, and you can see thegraves of, um, some of the
people that the carpathia pickedup, wow.

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So if you ever want fun factson the titanic, I'm your gal
yeah, yeah, definitely okay,that's it.
I rambled on about my titanicfor long enough.
Thank you, I appreciate it yeah, uh, you can find us on all the
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Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Whatever, bye, bye.