New Pope, Who Dis?

When Pope Francis passed away this week, we knew we had to explore the fascinating world behind papal succession and the upcoming conclave. What started as a straightforward look at Catholic leadership quickly turned into a riveting deep dive into centuries-old traditions mixed with modern global politics.

Did you know there have been five popes during the Gen X lifetime? From Paul VI guiding the church through modernization to John Paul I's brief 33-day papacy (the "Smiling Pope"), to the beloved John Paul II surviving assassination attempts during his 27-year tenure, to Benedict XVI making history by resigning, and finally to Francis breaking tradition with his humility and progressive approach—each shaped Catholicism in unique ways.

The real magic happens in the conclave process itself. Picture this: 135 Cardinals from over 90 countries locked inside the Sistine Chapel beneath Michelangelo's masterpiece, with jamming devices preventing any outside communication. They write names on ballots, place them in ceremonial urns, and invoke Christ as witness to their choice. When black smoke rises from the chapel chimney, the world knows deliberations continue; white smoke signals a new pope's selection. The newly elected pontiff is then taken to "The Room of Tears"—named for the emotional weight of the moment—before appearing on St. Peter's balcony to greet the faithful.

As Catholicism grows rapidly in Africa, South America, and Asia while declining in Europe, this conclave could signal a significant shift in church leadership. The global makeup of today's College of Cardinals means the next pope might come from anywhere in the world. We can't help wondering who will emerge from that famous balcony—and yes, we discovered you can actually place bets on the outcome! Follow us on social media as we eagerly await the white smoke and the announcement "Habemus Papam!"

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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for.
By and about Gen X.
I'm Nicole and this is my BFF,heather.
Hola, so huge news this week,well not huge.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I got my hair cut.
That's huge news oh, that ishuge and it looks super cute, my
bangs are back kids I'm stillliving in 1990, maybe moved up
to 7, 1997, with this one, butI'm still living in the 90s.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I don't know you still got the manic panic colors
going on today it is partiallyblue, although I asked her how
much gray was in there.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Here's what I want to do.
I want it to be dark with whitein it, so that when I color it,
the white will color and thedark will not you dig what I'm
laying down.
But she said I don't haveenough gray in there for that.
So sorry, suckas, I don't haveenough gray.
Another reason for me to sorrysuckas.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I don't have enough gray Another reason for me to
hate your hair.
I know Everybody hates my hair.
Yes, it's so much of it it is,and you're not going gray, I'm
completely gray, I'm not goinggray.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Anyway, that's all that's going on for me my
haircut.
So what's your huge news?
Elizabeth?
Elizabeth Hurley and Billy RayCyrus are dating.
I did not know that until about37 seconds ago.
Oh no, because we've been onhere for a minute 30 a minute
and a half, so two minutes ago,I found out.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I saw it on like Instagram and I think it was.
People posted an articlebecause Elizabeth Hurley's son
is not happy about it and theymade it, uh, instagram official
um, some picture of her standingwith a very low-cut shirt and
her boobs squished up and shehas a cowboy hat on and they're

(02:16):
leaning against the fence andhe's kissing her on the cheek
and she's laughing and I waslike what is happening, right?
Now like every time I thinkelizabeth hurley, I still thank
you, grant like yeah those twowere probably an absolute shit
show, but they went together.
Yeah, billy ray cyrus is a pieceof shit as far as I'm concerned

(02:38):
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Um, I don't know enough abouthim.
I don't know a ton about him,but mileyiley hates him.
Now I won't speak to himanymore.
So that's enough for me,because I love Miley.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I like Miley.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I don't think he's a very good husband.
No, and or father, get out oftown.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Get out of town.
I don't know.
She's a little nutty herself.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
But she's also a child star and they all look
nutty.
Yeah, true.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, but Elizabeth Hurley and Billy Ray Cyrus I
just would have never put themtogether.
What do you know?
How about that?
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Speaker 1 (04:33):
And if you all didn't watch, did you watch the
Titanic thing yet I?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
haven't yet.
No, I just haven't beenwatching a ton of TV.
I haven't either.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Although I lied, I just lied to you a ton of tv.
But either, although I lied, Ijust lied to you, because now
that I finished um my third orfourth run of the big bang
theory, I was like I can't watchit again because I literally
just watched it.
So now, what am I gonna watch?
And that's when I rememberedfuturama.
Oh, that's a great show, weshould totally do a rewatch of

(05:03):
that too.
Okay, I think that we're gonnahave to.
Oh, I also know what I wantedto say too.
Okay, so we have a buy me acoffee thing.
It's like whatever pod at buyme a car.
If you go to buy me a coffeecomand you search us, we're in
there.
I forgot we had that.
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You know what?
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people like rate, review, share, and we get bigger, then we can
do a Patreon and we can dothose, uh, rewatches, oh, but I

(05:46):
do think we should do a rewatchof futurama, because now this is
probably like my 10th or 12thtime through it and, um, I have
seen stuff this last week that Iwas like I did not see that
before, that that's fuckinghilarious.
So yeah, futurama, we should doa rewatch.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
All right.
So I don't know if I knowwhat's a rewatch.
Is it something specific or isit just what it is?

Speaker 1 (06:13):
So what you do is you watch an episode, we watch an
episode and then we talk aboutthat specific episode.
Oh, okay, and then you do itevery week with a new episode.
Plus, futurama has like 10seasons, so we'll never run out
of it.
Although they're only a half anhour, so we probably have to do
two yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
But yeah, yeah, I would totally do that.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I love that show and then supposedly the audience is
watching it with you.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
And then you can, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Okay, that's some of that, like TikTok and YouTube
stuff, right, no most podcasts.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
do it A lot of podcasts do it.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
There's like whole.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
There's Buffy rewatch podcasts.
There's actually.
The thing that got me intolistening to podcasts was Zach
Braff and Donald Faison do aScrubs rewatch.
They did, but they're probablythrough it now because they
started that like in 2020.
So oh my gosh, um, and they'retheirs is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I mean, that was one of the all-time best shows we
could do a rewatch of that too.
I love scrubs okay, all right,I like it futurama.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's where I'm at right now.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Okay, I'm futurama-ing it okay very cool,
so let's fuck around and findout about popes, popes.
So I originally had planned todo a different topic this week
and uh, as heather put it, I getall the good deaths.
Everybody dies on her week,it's the weirdest thing.

(07:39):
so I texted her and I was like Iguess I should do something
about the popes.
It's a pretty deal and he was apretty solid guy.
It sounds like I liked what he.
It's not my thing, but I likedwhat he had to say and I liked
that he was saying it to so manypeople, so hopefully, some of
them listened.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I do think it was.
He is one of the moreprogressive popes.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Well, his whole thing when I was reading things was
and I knew this before too thatit's not that he approves of the
LBGTQ community or things likethat.
But he says it's not his placeto judge yes, so, and that's how
it should be.
Yes, I mean, but a lot ofpeople choose to judge yes

(08:29):
Anywho.
So my references for this weekwere ChristianityTodaycom,
bbccom.
I used a little Wikipedia,which I don't like to do, but
that was more so for, liketimelines, biographycom and
thelatimescom.
So the first thing I want to dois talk about popes that um

(08:51):
were popes poping it up.
They five popes um in the gen xera, uh, and beyond in our
lifetimes, I should say um.

(09:12):
The first one was um paul thesixth, pope, paul the sixth um.
He was pope from 1963 till 1978.
Pope John Paul I, who was onlyPope for 33 days, 1978 to 1978.
You don't know, that one.

(09:33):
No, okay, good, I get to tellyou some facts.
The one that we probably allremember because he was around
for the majority yeah, um popejohn paul ii, who was 1978 to
2005, uh.
Pope benedict, uh the 16th, hewas 2005 till 2013.

(09:56):
And pope francis ii, uh from2013 until we lost him on Monday
.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, I was kind of bummed.
You know I'm not.
So here's my thing about theCatholic Church.
Obviously I'm not a bigfollower of the Catholic Church,
but I love me some Catholicritual.
I mean when they go all out,they go all out, they go all out
.
Yeah, I do enjoy all of theirand everything's beautiful.

(10:31):
Yes, yeah, and I want to callit rigmarole, but I feel like
that's very offensive.
So I'm just gonna say straightout the gate I apologize if I
offend any catholics, I do notmean I do too.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I would like to say that this is all meant out of
respect.
I am sharing facts about popesof the past.
I am not making fun of anyone'sreligion, but if you've
listened to this podcast before,we have a dark sense of humor
and we say dumb shit sometimesso I mean, I'm actually a
catholic godmother for reals,like I am a godmother in a
Catholic church.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yes, my godson, yes, is Catholic, yes, so suck it.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
So somebody thinks you're Catholic worthy Yep,
that's my aunt.
I know and she loves you, shedoes All right.
So after we talk about the fivepopes, then we're going to talk
about the conclave that's aboutto happen.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I can't wait for that going to talk about the
conclave that's about to happen.
That is my favorite part of thewhole pick, like picking the
pope thing.
I remember when they pickedbenedict and I remember when
francis the first got picked Iwas so excited.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I watched cnn like all day, every day just to watch
the smoke, just to watch thesmoke change.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yes, I have no skin in the game.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I don't know, two shits about I don't know
anything about them.
I don't know anything aboutgame.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I don't know two shits about the Pope.
I don't know anything aboutthem.
I don't know anything aboutPopes.
I don't know anything aboutCardinals.
I don't know anything aboutanything but that waiting for
that smoke man.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's pretty exciting.
It is exciting, yeah, yeah, so,yeah.
So when I told Heather that Iwas going to do this week on
Popes, she said she lovedConclavelave.
So I am doing the majority ofaround that.
So let's quick get throughthese popes and what they did,
so that we can get to theconclave talk, all right.

(12:15):
So pope paul the sixth from 1963to 1978 um, he was cardinal
montiniini.
In the conclave.
After John 23rd's death,montini was elected Pope on the
sixth ballot on the 21st of June.
He took the name Paul VI inhonor of Paul, the Apostle.

(12:39):
At times he was criticized fora lack of assertiveness.
Others saw his attitude as anindicator of his thoughtfulness
and diplomacy while guiding thechurch through a difficult new
era, as he did his best tomaintain its traditions while
ensuring its effectiveness in arapidly changing world.

(13:00):
After just over 15 years inoffice, I didn't know they
called it in office oh yeah,they do.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
They have their own um military too.
Oh yeah, I think I did knowthat I forget what they're
called, but it's a cool name.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I'll google it while you're talking okay, um, after
just over 15 years in office,pope paul vi passed away at
castile g Gandolfo on August 6,1978.
He was beatified.
Is that the way you say thatword?
I think so.
It doesn't sound right.

(13:34):
But there's no, I want to saybeautified.
I want to say beautified.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Beautified.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I did look it up for the definition so that I could
explain it to everyone, but Idid not look up how to say it,
but it looks like beatified.
But it could be beatified, butanyway it is beatified.
It is beatified, all right.
That makes a lot more sense.
Actually, when I said it, I waslike that's got to be how you

(14:01):
say it, all right.
So he was not beatified.
He was beatified, which is thestep before becoming a saint,
and it gives capacity tointercede on behalf of
individuals who pray in theirname.
So people were allowed to prayto him Because he was beatified.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
It's the Swiss Guard.
Oh, this is about to get me.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Gotcha On October 19th 2014,.
That's when he was beatified,and then he was canonized, which
is the officially declaringsomeone a saint on October 14th
2018.
He left behind a legacy of Yep.

(14:56):
So that word and caring forworkers and the poor.
I really tried, man.
I was looking stuff up becausethere are a lot of words I don't
know in this stuff because I'mnot Catholic, and there are a
lot of things that are notEnglish.
So well, not necessarily a lotof them, but they're words that
other countries use Anyway yeah,so I tried, I really did my
best.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
If you're here for like hardcore facts, you're
again in the wrong spot.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yes, I will promise you I did not change anything,
but um yeah I might notpronounce it right, all right,
so the next was pope john paul I.
He was born albini luciani onoctober 17th 1912.
That's my sister's birthday,not 1912, but yeah, I'll be.
Uh, he served as the head ofthe Catholic Church for a brief

(15:45):
period from August 26th toSeptember 28th 1978.
That's my birthday, making hispapacy one of the shortest.
That's so weird that you andyour sister's birthday I know
right In the same sentence.
Weird, all right.
His papacy was one of theshortest in history, at just 33

(16:06):
days.
He was notable for being thefirst pope to choose a double
name, commemorating hispredecessors, john the 23rd and
paul the 6th.
Uh, his sudden death raisedmany questions and theories,
leading to speculation about thecircumstances surrounding it.
John John Paul I is rememberedfor his warmth and

(16:27):
approachability, earning him thenickname the Smiling Pope.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Sounds like a horror movie, I know.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
He was pretty jolly.
Looking.
Though the pictures of him, Iwas like oh he is cute.
During his brief tenure hedefended the Roman Catholic
Church's opposition to abortionand contraception, but he also
sought to reform institutionsand root out corruption.
Pope Francis described him assomeone who lived without

(16:56):
compromise.
John Paul I died of a heartattack on September 28, 1978.
His death caused muchcontroversy and conspiracy
theories due to slightlydiffering accounts.
The vatican said he was founddead by two nuns, but initially
it was said a priest had foundhim, uh, uneasy with the fact

(17:18):
that women had entered thepope's private quarters.
So, all right, I won't go there.
Um, that's maybe a little toofar.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
We're trying to be nice here.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Trying so hard, but I thought it the first time I
read it.
Anyway, for an individual to bebeatified, a miracle needs to
be attributed to prayers made tothem after their death.
The miracle attributed to thenew beatified Pope was the
healing of an 11-year-old girlafter her parents had prayed to

(17:48):
Pope John Paul I.
In the last 1,000 years, justeight popes have been made
saints, which I thought wascrazy because, like three of
these popes I'm talking abouttoday have been made saints.
So I just feel like maybepeople are a little more vain
now.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I don't know, just slap a saint on anybody, it
doesn't make sense that they'reIn a thousand years.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
There have been eight , but like three of them were in
our lifetime.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Because John Paul II was a saint also right, he was
just recently sainted.
I don't know, I think they justthere's a lot of Maybe.
They loosened the restrictionson Maybe Becoming a saint.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
That's not fair to the other popes, they're all
dead.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, true, they don't care, that's true.
They're in heaven now withJesus Fair.
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Stop it All right.
Next is Pope John Paul II, whowas ordained in 1946.
He became the bishop of Omby in1958 and became the Archbishop
of Krakow in 1964.
He was made a Cardinal by PopePaul VI.
I don't know why I'm trippingup over that.

(18:57):
I had a terrible time with theRoman numerals.
Roman numerals, man.
I know, because I know them.
I know, but it's I'm stillbecause I don't know.
It's not like anybody else cansee this, but anyway.
He was made a cardinal by PopePaul VI in 1967, and in 1978
became the first non-Italianpope in more than 400 years.

(19:20):
He was a vocal advocate forhuman rights and used his
influence to affect politicalchange.
He died in Italy in 2005.
It was announced in July 2013that he would be declared a
saint in April of the followingyear.
In 1981, an assassin shot JohnPaul twice in St Peter's Square

(19:42):
in Vatican City.
Fortunately, he was able torecover from his injuries and
later forgave his attacker.
A vocal advocate for humanrights, john Paul often spoke
out about suffering in the world.
He held strong positions onmany topics, including his
opposition to capital punishment.
A charismatic figure, john Paulused his influence to bring

(20:03):
about political change and iscredited with the fall of
communism in his native Poland.
He was not without critics,however.
Some have stated that he couldbe harsh with those who
disagreed with him and that hewould not compromise his
hardline stance on issues suchas contraception.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
He also was.
I'm just going to do this onetime and then I'm not going to
mention it again.
Okay, I think that he alsohelped sweep a lot of that abuse
under just moving priests todifferent.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
And I agree with you and I think you're correct,
because it's only been veryrecently that and I would say,
probably with Francis, thatthat's not okay anymore.
Yeah, um, yeah.
So let's see, and the dangcontraception man, they just
hate it.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
They do it's.
They gotta make more catholicsI guess, I guess.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Uh, on july 5th 2013, waiving the usual five-year
waiting period, the Vaticanannounced that the Roman
Catholic Church would declarePope John Paul II a saint.
Simon Pierre Normand prayed toPope John Paul II for or during

(21:31):
her battle with, parkinson'sdisease the same disease that
killed the Pope which I did notknow.
I did not know that either, andshe was cured, which is pretty
crazy.
The second miracle involved a50-year-old woman who claimed
that she was cured of a brainaneurysm after a photograph of
Pope John Paul II spoke to herAgain.
Can you prove it?
No, just kidding, I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I'm going to keep my mouth.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
I mean, this is a really tough topic for us.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
It's very tough, but does that yes.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, you know what I mean, I do.
All right, we're trying to playnice we really are and we don't
mean to offend, we're justtrying to be funny.
Yeah, I mean we joke aboutourselves dying all well, about
heather dying all the time,every day, murdering things like
.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
It's just what we do.
I did almost try to kill myselfthe other day.
Why?
Because I, you know, I've been.
I've been door dashing kids,yes, um, and I picked up an
order with shrimp on it and Ididn't know it had shrimp on it
and then I had to ride in thecar with it and I was like, oh,
that's not good, but I didn'tdie.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
So yeah, mean that smell good though.
Yes, all right.
So Pope Benedict XVI was from2005 to 2013.
He was born April 16th 1927, asMarkdol am in, I think I said

(23:00):
that right in Germany.
He died December 31stst 2022 invatican city.
Uh, he was the bishop of romeand head of the catholic roman
catholic church from 2005 to2013.
Prior to his election as pope,benedict led a distinguished
career as a theologian theolog,I was going to say a theologist

(23:26):
and then the last couple letterschanged on me I was like wait,
that's not what that saysTheologian, and as prefect, I
did that.
when I read it earlier, I waslike they spelled perfect wrong.
I can see how you could do thatas prefect of the Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith.
As prefect of the Congregationfor the Doctrine of the Faith,
his papacy faced severalchallenges, including a decline

(23:49):
in vocations and churchattendance.
Divisive debates concerning thedirection of the church and the
effects of the scandalbeginning in the late 1990s
surrounding the church.
Handling of the numerous casesof sexual abuse by priests.
So, yes, you were correct.
Uh, citing health issues.
In 2013, he became the firstpope to resign since gregory the

(24:12):
12th in 1415 wow, I got a funfact about benedict.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay, he had um doc martin's.
Yeah, he wore white docmartin's that were specially
made for him.
So if you ever see pictureshe's wearing, he's rocking the
white docs was he a goth kid?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
apparently he liked the docs.
Um.
So now we come to uh popefrancis the first.
Uh francis was beloved by manyfor his public displays of
compassion, commitment to socialjustice and willingness to
shake up the scandal-riddenVatican.
He largely hewed to thechurch's conservative lines on

(24:53):
the social issues such asabortion and LBGTQ rights, but
urged clerics not to be obsessedwith these issues.
His emphasis on God's love andhis demand that the church go
out and minister to oppressedand needy people impressed even
those who disagreed with him.
Francis's 12-year papacypresented a stark change in

(25:16):
style and tone from that of hispredecessor, the late Benedict
XVI.
Predecessor, the late BenedictXVI, a shy scholar who wrote
dense theological treatises andsaw the church as a holy
institution under siege from anincreasingly godless,
relativistic society.

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Francis, by contrast, likenedthe church to a battlefield
hospital tending to thespiritually wounded.
His call for a poor church alsoput him at odds withments and
the lavish apartment in thepenthouse of the episcopal

(26:09):
apostolic apostolic, apostolicpalace palace.
Yep, yep, um, that was.
Another thing I liked about himwas, um, he just wore the white
robe.
Yes, he never wore the other,and I would be willing to bet
it's because that other crap washeavy and hot and he was like

(26:32):
you know what, I'm humble I'mjust gonna wear white.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Do all that, he also.
Yeah, I do remember he did notwant to live in that apartment,
so yeah, I do.
Isn't he the one that why hewas like the first one to wash a
Muslim woman's feet?
Mm, hmm.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, yeah, I saw pictures of him doing that.
I kind of likened him to MotherTeresa when I was reading this
stuff.
Just, I mean, she was in thetrenches but I don't know.
Just the mindset, it felt likeI don't know.
It felt like I don't know.
Beyond the sorry, beneath thefriendly exterior, was also a

(27:08):
leader willing to take decisiveaction.
Vatican watchers notedFrancis's determination to sweep
clean institutions that hadbecome rife with dysfunction,
factionalism and accusations ofcorruption.
Soon after his election, hereplaced key officials at the

(27:31):
troubled Vatican Bank andappointed a blue ribbon
commission to advise him onoverhauling the Curia, the
Vatican administration.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
I'm pretty sure that he was also the one that agreed
that not so much agreed with,but said that the Big Bang can
also live side by side with thecreation.
Yes, because God could havecreated the Big Bang.

(27:59):
Yeah, I think he was prettyopen about the science.
I don't know about evolution,but I know it was the Big Bang.
Oh, okay, gotcha, he was coolwith the Big Bang, no Good.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
So to wrap up on Francis, I have a quote from him
Christian love is not aconcentric expansion of interest
that little by little extend toother persons and groups.
The true ordo amoris that mustbe promoted is that which we

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discover by meditatingconstantly on the parable of the
Good Samaritan, that is, bymeditating on the love that
builds a fraternity open to allwithout exception, and I think
that's a pretty I mean.
As a non-Christian, Iappreciate that he is considered

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considerate of everything andeveryone.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
So I remember when they were doing the conclave to
pick him and there was a lot ofcontroversy because a, I think
um it was.
I don't know if it came down tohim, but I do know one of the
uh, there's a cardinal in newyork that everybody loves, um, I
can't remember his name, but itwas.
I think he was in the runningfor being pope too.

(29:23):
Um, and I know there was a lotof controversy over, like within
, because he was more open,right, and had a more humble and
had a more open mind, right ish.
But I think because theycatholic church was losing

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people left and right, oh yeah,I think that's why they put him
in there, because they needed tobring bring home the sheep the
flock needs to be corralled orwhatever they say.
But I I do think that's why I doremember in the conclave that
that's what it was between himand Ivo.
I wish I could remember thatCardinals team.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I know the one that was played by Lithgow.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Was he In what?
In Conclave?
Oh, I never saw that.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
It actually wasn't that good.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I never saw it.
My husband enjoyed it.
Timothyothy dolan oh yeah,everybody loves him okay.
So maybe he'll be poked thistime.
Maybe maybe um america.
They've never had an americanone.
Yeah, it's time.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, yeah and actually, um, I was listening to
NBR and they were talking aboutthe upcoming conclave and the
last four have not been Italian,so they were thinking maybe
they'd come back around to that.
However, the Catholic religionis growing most in Africa, south

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America and Asia in Africa,south America and Asia.
So they feel like a moreglobally aware Pope might be
better.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Well, that was also why they picked him, and
Catholicism is slacking off inEurope actually, Right.
That was also one of thereasons, because he was from
South America.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yes, and he had traveled a lot.
Yes, yep, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
I don't know, maybe we'll let's all, let's all throw
our vote in for for Timothy GoAmerica USA.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
America, all right.
So now, oh wait, before we getoff of Francis, I just wanted to
do you remember when he came toPhilly?
I do, All right.
So in September of 2015, popeFrancis came to Philly for the
World Meeting of Families and welive well.

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I live a little closer toPhilly, maybe an hour 20 minutes
.
I live from Philly and theItalian restaurants around here
all had Pope Francis on theirpizza boxes.
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
All of the Italians.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I know I had a picture of one somewhere and I
looked for it today but that was10 years ago and I just
couldn't find it.
And then I just gave up.
But it was funny, it had hispicture on it and everything.
Um, yeah, but in the red dyeright like the white box with
the red yeah, yep, so all right.
so conclave super excited.

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So conclave is a latin wordmeaning a room that can be
locked up, or, more simply, aclosed room.
Members of the College ofCardinals will cast their votes
behind the closed and lockeddoors of the Vatican Sistine
Chapel, famous for its ceilingfrescoes painted by Michelangelo
.
Another thing I heard on NPRwas that the majority of the

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Cardinals won't know each otherBecause they're from all over
the place, and 80% of them wereappointed by Francis.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I just read that Timothy Dolan was made a
Cardinal in 2012.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Oh, okay, and at first when I heard that I was
like 80% seems like a reallyhigh number, but cardinals look
old so I'd imagine they have tobe replaced frequently.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
I think that was another thing that they were
talking about when he was inthere, like maybe it's time they
got somebody younger and Ithink and.
I think yes and no.
I mean okay.
So I don't think the Popereally means as much as it used
to.
I don't think the Pope wieldsthe power that the Pope used to

(33:54):
in like the 1400s.
Yeah, yeah, I think he's justguy in a robe.
Well, there are a lot more worldleaders now, so well, yes, and
I just think that I don't knowif a younger person is a good
idea or they should allow theolder, and then you have a

(34:16):
rollover of ideas more oftenyeah do you know what I mean?
Like most leaders have termlimits unless you're a monarchy
or a dictatorship or whatever ishappening right now.
So um, yeah I mean I thinkthat's.
You know.

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Having term limits is good, twoterms is good, three is two
three is not in the constitution.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Three is not in the Constitution.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Three is not in the Constitution, and I think that
for that reason that you'rerolling over different ideas,
it's not the same.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
And also something with the Catholic Church that I
just kind of thought of was, youknow, like a young person would
be too much, too fast.
It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Just baby steps.
Maybe pick somebody in liketheir 60s or 50s.
I mean, we're all, hey Gen XPope kids, let's do this All
right.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Anyway, distinguished by their scarlet robes,
cardinals are chosen by eachpope to elect future popes.
A cardinal must be under theage of 80 to be eligible to vote
in a conclave.
Of the 252 members of theCollege of Cardinals, 135 are
currently eligible to elect thenew pope.

(35:45):
Whew, there's a lot of oldcardinals.
135 are currently eligible toelect the new pope.
There's a lot of old cardinals.
Yeah, um, for many centuries,the college of cardinals was
dominated by europeans, italiansin particular, in fact.
The first time a non-europeancardinal actually cast a ballot
in a conclave was only in the20th century, when balt
Archbishop James Gibbons votedin the 1903 Papal election.

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Now the College of Cardinalshas members from over 90
countries, with Francis havingappointed nearly 80% of them.
So do you think that Baltimoreis America's Baltimore?
I?

Speaker 1 (36:23):
would think so.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah 1903.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah would think so yeah, 1903, yeah, that's a hell
of a.
That's a hell of a voyage in1903 to vatican city, though,
for real.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Um well, that's why they give them like three weeks
between the death and the.
That's true conclave.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Well, they have to let he lies in state right he
does, but I'll bet really it was.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
So people back in the day had time to get to where
they needed to be.
Well, you got to find out thePope died first.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
That's true also, and then you got to make plans.
They didn't have Google.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, exactly, they didn't even have phones.
Holding a conclave to elect aPope is a tradition that goes
back centuries, centuries.
The practice was established in1274 under pope gregory the
10th, in reaction to the chaossurrounding his own election,
which lasted nearly three years.
Uh, the tradition is old, butthe results can be surprising,

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as when francis himself waselected in 2013 as the first
non-European pope in almost 1300years and the first Jesuit pope
ever, ever, ever, ever.
All right, so the conclavebegins.
Before the conclave, theCollege of Cardinals will meet
in what are called generalcongregations to discuss issues

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facing the church.
These general congregationswill also be an opportunity for
cardinals and those from distantgeographical locations to get
to know their fellow cardinals.
This can be a time forpoliticking.
In times past, the politickingwas rumored to include bribes
for votes, as was alleged in theelection of Alexander VI, a

(38:06):
Borgia Pope, borgia in 1492,when Columbus sailed the ocean
blue.
That's the code for the bathroomat work too, and I just like
who is the geek that came upwith this code?
Nowadays it is considered to bebad form and bad luck for a

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cardinal to lobby for himself asa candidate.
Buying votes by giving money orfavors to cardinals is called
simony and or simony and isagainst church law.
So I'm sure they don't do itthen, if it's against right,
they don't do it.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
It's cardinal law wink, wink um.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Two to three weeks after the papal funeral.
Oh so it's after the funeral.
Yeah, that's even longer, twoto three weeks after the papal
funeral.
The conc.
It's after the funeral.
Yeah, that's even longer.
Two to three weeks after thepapal funeral, the conclave will
begin.
The cardinals will first make aprocession to the sistine
chapel, where electronic jammingdevices will have been set up
to prevent eavesdropping andwi-fi and cell phone usage.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
That's intense it really is like I mean, come on,
is it really that like seriously?

Speaker 2 (39:29):
is it jury duty or what?

Speaker 1 (39:31):
he's dropping on that like who's like?
What's that you?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
say it's cnn at say file into the chapel.
The cardinals will sing sing inLatin the hymn Come, holy
Spirit.
They will then vow on a book ofthe Gospels to keep the
conclave proceeding secret.
After these rituals, the masterof papal liturgical

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celebrations will say out loudin Latin Extra Omnes, which
means everyone out, everybodyout, everybody out, everybody
out.
I feel like the Latin words areeasier to pronounce than the
other words the doors of theSistine Chapel.
That says chapter, but I'mgoing to say it's supposed to
say chapel.
I agree, it will be locked andthe conclave will begin.

(40:20):
We're going to pick up the Pope.
The voting process.
The cardinals electing the popewill be seated in order of rank
.
Usually the dean of the collegeof cardinals is seated in the
first position, but the currentdean, cardinal giovanni batista

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ray, is over the eligible votingage and will not participate in
the conclave.
Instead, this papal electionwill be led by the Vatican
Secretary of State, cardinalPietro Perolin.
So is it?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
all.
It can't be all 135 of them,right?
I think it is.
Seems like a lot.
Yeah, I think it is, it seemslike a lot.
Yeah, mm-hmm, you'd thinkthey'd have senators and
representatives, and then they'dvote up yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Why doesn't?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
everybody do things the way we do them.
It's so much easier.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
We'd have to learn things.
I lost my place when thecardinals have.
Okay, when the cardinals haveassembled, nine will be chosen
at random to elect the to runthe election.
Uh, with three of them beingscrutinizers who will examine
the ballots and read them aloud.
No cheating.

(41:44):
I mean again is it like this?
No, cheating.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Okay, seems like a lot, seems like a lot.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
What if somebody keeps like extra ballots up
their sleeve or something?

Speaker 1 (41:57):
What if they just put like Bart Simpson?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Oh, there you go Every time.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
What do they do?
Write-ins, I think it's allwrite-ins, I I know, but like
they have an idea right, theyprobably have like four people
that they're like you gotta pickone of these clowns and then
yeah, I think in the movie itwas like a bunch of them at
first.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, then they wear, then they pare it down and they
see who's it's like.
It's a big popularity contestright, they probably vote for
themselves.
Yeah me, they all about to say135 different votes.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
It's all me, all different people and they're
like no, you can't vote foryourself.
Oh damn it.
And then they're like hey, ifyou vote for me, I'll vote for
you yeah, and so then we get itstill still yeah, although
there's always going to be fuddyduddies that are like no, I
can't vote for myself.
I'm not voting for anybody, allright.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
After writing down the names of their chosen
candidates, the Cardinals willbring their ballots to the front
of the chapel and place them ona plate that is set on top of
an urn in front of thescrutinizers.
I'm sorry, that name is toomuch for me.
I'm too immature for that.
Using the plate to drop theballot into the urn, they will
say I call as my witness Christ,the Lord, who will be my judge,

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that my vote is given to theone who, before God, I think
should be elected.
A new pope is elected by atwo-thirds majority.
If this majority is not reachedduring the first ballot, the
ballots will be burned in astove.
Black smoke rising through theSistine Chapel's chimney will
signal to the outside world thatthe election is still ongoing,

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a tradition that began with theelection of Benedict XV in 1914.
Chemical additives are used tomake sure the smoke is black
because during the election ofJohn Paul II, there was
confusion over the smoke's color.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
I think with one of the ones I was watching it was
like, is that white or is itblack?
And then it would like, becauseit would start out like gray
and then it turns black.
I feel like I remember thatthat.
Yeah, maybe that was last time.
I I the last two conclaves Ihaven't been like a because I

(44:18):
didn't work that much so I hadtime on my hands and cnn.
So when they start the conclaveback up, you bet your ass.
I I'm going to be checking forthe smoke.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Following the first day and on the days thereafter,
there will be up to four ballotsa day if a two-thirds majority
is not reached.
Both Benedict XVI and Franciswere elected after relatively
few ballots Four in the case ofBenedict, five with Francis.
According to rules set byBenedict, if a new pope is not

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chosen after 13 days, there willbe a day of prayer and
reflection.
Then the election will bebetween the top two candidates,
one of whom must receive atwo-thirds majority.
This new rule, somecommentators have suggested
could lead to a longer or evendeadlocked conclave, because a
compromised candidate is lesslikely to emerge.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
They have like Pope I and Pope II, like dueling popes
.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Like on the Office, when they have the manager and
the assistant manager, pope andassistant pope, because they're
old guys.
So then when one doesn't feelgood, the other one can do it
and do the work.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
I think we just solved it.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, there we go all right.
Next, the room of tears.
Conclaves are usually short,such as the three ballot
election that chose Pope PiusXII in 1939.
On a few occasions,deliberations have been quite
long, the longest being the 1740papal conclave, which elected
Benedict XIV and lasted 181 days.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Oh my god, I don't want to wait 181 days for a new
pope.
I can't watch CNN that much,that much I know for real.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Didn't we read about one earlier?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
that was three years I don't know, I can't remember
what I said.
I know you know what everybody.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
When people talk about previous episodes, I'm
like I have no idea what I saidlike multiple times a week, at
least two times a week, jeopardyhas a clue.
That is something relevant tosomething that we have talked
about, like it happened lastweek and I can't even remember
the category or anything, but myhusband spun his head and
looked at me because he knewthat we had done an episode

(46:36):
about it and I was like wedidn't even talk about.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
No wait, yeah, yeah, we definitely talked about that
oh well, sad, I know, so I don'tremember what you talked about
40 minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Okay, good, hopefully nobody else does either.
Don't pay attention to us, butregardless of the time frame, a
new pope will be chosen.
Once a candidate receivesenough votes, he is asked Do you
accept your canonical electionas Supreme?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Pontiff.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
By saying excepto or I accept, he becomes the new
leader of the Catholic Church.
This time, the ballots will beburned to create white smoke
that will tell the world thatthe conclave has ended and that
a new pope has been chosen.
And then they hold him up likesimba from the lion king.

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Immediately after being elected, the new pope decides on his
name, as jorge mario bargo didwhen he was the first pope to
choose the name, francis.
The choice of a name,especially one of an immediate
predecessor, often indicates thedirection of the new pope's

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pontificate.
In Francis's case, his namehonored Francis of Assisi, a
13th century mystic known forhis simplicity and love of
nature.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I remember that.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Uh-huh, a lot of people have garden statues of St
Francis.
Yeah With like the hands andthe birds yeah.
The new pope is then led to theRoom of Tears.
That sounds terrifying.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
I've been in a Room of Tears.
It's not fun.
That sounds terrifying.
I've been in a room of tears.
This is not fun.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Same In this chamber, off the Sistine Chapel, he will
have moments to reflect on theburdens of his position, which
have often brought new popes totears.
He will put on a white cassockand other signs of his office.
His election will be announcedfrom the balcony of St Peter's

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Basilica.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
That's where they hold him out.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yes, From the balcony , the new Pope will greet the
crowd below and deliver hisfirst blessing to the world.
A new pontificate will havebegun.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I do remember when he was picking his name that they
said he was probably going to gofor something humbling.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Somebody like that.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I can't.
I just love the whole show ofit.
But like what happens if you'relike no, I don't want to be a
pope, nah, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Well, like what if they vote you and they like come
to you and they're like yoexcepto or not excepto, and he's
like no, not excepto no hablaanglaise, no speak of the latin
yeah, I mean, and and even like,once you go into the room of
tears, what if you go in thereand you're like you know what?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Like what if God sends you a vision and it's like
the total end of the world andyou're like I'm good, I don't
really want to do that.
Like I see some four horsemencome in and I feel like I don't
know that I want to be part ofthat whole thing.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
It's like when Biden had to take over COVID.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
That is one of the four horsemen Disease.
Oh my God.
Yeah, I don't know.
I wonder what would happen,like I wonder.
I guess it has to be a cardinalright.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I wonder if any of them don't want to be pope, and
I think, yes, it has to be acardinal, right?
I wonder if any of them don'twant to be pope, and I think,
yes, you have to be a cardinal,because there's like steps, it's
like the Girl Scouts Right,start as a brownie.
Huh, work your way up to eagle.
Work your way up.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I don't know.
I don't know, maybe like whenthey're all in the little room
getting to know each other priorto going in, if you didn't want
to be you go around and telleverybody I do not want to be
not vote for me, I am notinterested, I will beat you down
in your few.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
For me I don't want to hear my name come out that
earn.
Keep your name out, my I don'tknow, I wonder.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I wonder if any of them have like just I mean,
obviously they can't tell us,because I guess that's a whole
secret I just can't imagine anyof them would make it as far as
cardinal and not want to be apope.
I guess.
But it's not like you get apoint.
I mean, it's not like you'rerunning to be cardinal.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
You get a point, what do you get out of it?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Really, I mean, if you're a cardinal, you probably
have the same shit, exceptyou're not living in Vatican
City.
Like you're in a nice place tolive.
Like the Cardinal of New York.
He's an archbishop now, by theway.
You know.
He's probably got like a nicelittle place in New York and he
just gets in, he's on.
I've seen him on all kinds ofshit on.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
TV.
That is true.
What if you just really likeyour job Exactly?

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Like, like your job, exactly like what, if you just
don't want to go, you don't wantto move to?

Speaker 2 (51:50):
the vatican.
Yeah, I don't want to move tothe vatican, I don't want to
drive around in the popemobile.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I don't know, I don't want to have to find my way
around that house.
Yeah, it's a lot, it's ugly,it's a lot of gold, not a big
fan.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
People want to see me all the time.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, screw that, noise dead people buried in
there yeah, that's why they putthe popes yeah, and like under
the floorboards it's like johnwayne gacy's house, I don't know
, I guess, I guess, I guessthat's what you would would say
hey, I don't want to, don't pickme yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I think probably long before they all gather, they
have an idea.
Yeah, even if they don't knoweach other, like especially
nowadays.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, probably because I do remember if I
remember correctly, they had itnarrowed down like CNN had it
narrowed down to like three orfour that it could be.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
It's like the NFL draft.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah, who's going first?
Who are they making first?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Where will Shador Sanders go in the draft?
That's all I keep hearing about.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
So I was.
We took a second because Iwanted to see A if the New York
guy.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Timothy Dolan could be Pope.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yes, he could, but he is not a frontrunner, according
to Google.
So then we went down a rabbithole of who the frontrunners are
, and then we found that you canbet because that's what
degenerates we are that you canbet on bet 365 for the next pope
.
So they have it as uh.

(53:30):
The odds are that pietro perlinthat she spoke of, that's like
the head guy.
He's got the best odds at 15 to8 as 35 probability.
Uh-huh.
Luis antonio tagle is three toone, mateo zuppi is seven to one
and pedro erdo is nine to one.

(53:50):
It's ten percent.
So it's like betting the ponies, one of let's see, let's talk
about who those people are.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
We are definitely going to hell now.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
We held it together so good through the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
And we ended up here.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
So Parolin has taken more than 30% of the bets in the
next Pope odds market throughOdds Checker.
Filipino Cardinal Luis AntonioTagle is a distant second with a
16.5% share.
Tagle is the second favoritewith odds of 3-1 out from 13 to
five at the start of tuesday,reflecting strong support for a
progressive successor to pope.

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Francis tagle, 67 young, alignsclosely with francis's vision
of a more inclusive church,having advocated for a softer
approach towards marginalizedgroup.
His extensive experience inevangelization and his Asian
heritage also makes him acompelling choice as Catholicism
rapidly grows in Asia.

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Once seen as a frontrunner inthe 2013 conclave, cardinal
Angelo Scola is no longerconsidered a viable candidate by
many to become Pope, and nowhe's out to 20 to 1.
Oh, is he too old?
Now he's 83.
He can't vote True.
Ghana's Cardinal Turk is sent aprominent figure in church.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
My doctor is from Ghana.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Now has odds of 10 to one.
Now I have a rooting interest.
I love my doctor.
Leading voice for social socialjustice, he represents the
growing influence of AfricanCatholics.
At 76, his age might workagainst him, but his Vatican
experience and advocacy foreconomic, environmental reforms
could appeal to a wide range ofcardinals.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
So I don't know it sounds like they don't really
know.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I mean, 35% is not not that.
That's not that good of odds,like if I, if I was betting the
ponies, I would be deaf, which,by the way, is coming up very
rapidly um, man, speaking ofwhich real quick side note I
looked up ticket prices for uh,which one was it?

Speaker 2 (56:03):
it wasn't the pre, maybe it was the Preakness.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
In Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, the Preakness, it's so expensive.
No, it's the Belmont, it'sBelmont.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Belmont.
That's what it was.
No, wait, is it Wait?
No, the Belmont's in New York.
Yeah, it's the Preakness.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, kentucky yeah, so anyway, tickets were like
outrageous even for the field.
Yes, like almost 300 bucks, Iwant to say.
And then it was an additionallike 75 to 200 to park and you
gotta pay to park in baltimore,yeah, yeah, and they're probably
shuttling, shuffling people inlike shuttling them like I was,

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like I don't know that seemslike that's too much.
I do want to wear the hat,though I know, and I love a mint
julep on a derby day.
I don't care for mint julep.
I don't drink them any othertime of the year, but there's
something about I want to wear ahat, yeah.
I'll drink your mint julep?
Okay, we'll get you one.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
You can take a sip of the jerby that's not the.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Anyway, we digress, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah, we're not talking about horses, sorry,
we're talking about popes oh,we're betting on popes, not
ponies.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Popes, yes, yes it's a different word.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
So yeah, um, you can bet on that.
I knew I had a feeling when Istarted going down that rabbit
hole that there was this placeand and nicole was like, can
draft kings?
And I was like, no bet 365 yeah, I bet drafting.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
I said it as a joke, but then, as I said it, I was
like no, you can actually bet onanything.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
So I bet every single one of those sites has has pope
odds right now.
All right, that's disrespectful.
Okay, I was gonna go bit, I wasgonna go put some money no, no,
no, no for the to them, not toyou.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I mean, if it's there , you should use it.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I'm good, I might.
I might put money on the um,the filipino or the ganon,
because I think they're gonna go.
I mean, it's been white guysthis whole time, always, always,
and then I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I think, I think I'm gonna put my money well, you
know what I think of it in anamerican context, and america is
probably not ready for a blackor asian pope.
But the rest of the world is alot less close-minded than we
are, so it's way better than us,oh yeah, so I think I think I
might.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I might lay some money down on this.
I'm gonna keep checking theodds on that pope.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Pope yeah, like if it goes up.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I wonder if it's like all of them that are eligible
and then you can just like putlike is Timothy Dolan like 100
to 1?
Because I'll throw some $2 down.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
That's what I was going to say.
What if, like, one of them islike 2,000 to 1, if he's like
the 100th one?
What if?

Speaker 1 (58:39):
these cardinals put fucking money down on one of
these and they're like, hey,we're all gonna put money down
on this guy.
Well, we gotta find out whothey're putting their money on.
And then, but then, becauseyou'll see, because the odds
will start to rose it we will be.
The odds will all drop, andthen somebody will drop down to
two to one, and then we'll belike, well, that's totally the
guy yeah, but I always, alwaysbet the long shot always.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I wonder if you can do a trifecta of first, second,
third.
Oh man, Not that I've ever bethorses before.
No, we never.
We have no idea what we'retalking about.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
No, I never bet the Derby, ever.
Nope, I'm not this year.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
I didn't last year Like honest to God.
The first one came up and isthe Derby the first one Is it?

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Oh OK, First First Saturday in May Coming up quick.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
And like my sister-in-law text us that
Saturday and was like who yougot?
And I was like what the Derby's?

Speaker 1 (59:41):
today.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Like I was that far you know what it like, what the
derby's today.
Like I was that far you knowwhat it creeped up on me last
year too.
Yeah, and I don't know why, butI don't know.
I like to go to a casino, if Ican, and place a bet.
Maybe bet a couple other races,not at that site, but a couple
local ones.
Um, I have a mint julep, likethat's tip, like I, I'm actually

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drinking out of a derby glassright now.
Um, because we went for likefour years in a row, so I have
one from each year you know whatI did?

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
one of my first times in vegas was I bet delaware
park in vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, just because I could, I would totally do that
too.
So that's so stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I think I was taking a break from losing money at
other things that I was like youknow what Ponies are good for
that.
Yes, because it's $2.
It's $2.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
And then you got to wait too.
Yeah, so you go make your bed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
For two whole minutes .

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Sometimes I'm racing up there when it says zero
minutes post time and getting mybed in Other and getting my bed
in Other times.
I'm like, let me take that10-15 minute one and just sit
here and relax.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I bet odds and names.
I don't know nothing abouthorses.
Same here I don't know anythingabout anything horse related.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I just bet names.
I think I tried eavesdropping afew times on people, but the
way they cuss and throw shitaround there, they clearly don't
know what they're doing either.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
The horse could be like the best horse ever and the
long shot just comes out ofnowhere and wins.
Yes, yep, wasn't Smarty Jones along shot?
No, who was a long shot?
A real big long shot won notthat long ago.
Not that long it might havebeen last year it might have
been, or two years ago, I don'tremember yesterday, so I don't

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remember.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I remember when Smarty raced, I was working at
Dover Downs.
I remember Smarty and we wentto have a Smarty party and we
were cocktail waitresses and wetortured our supervisor, Frank,
and we would beg for a Smarty.
Oh well, I actually know whatit was.
They were having a Smarty partyfor the rich people, right, but

(01:01:46):
it what it was.
They were having a smarty partyfor the rich people, right, but
it didn't involve smarties andwe were very disappointed.
Yeah, I wouldn't.
I don't blame you we complaineda lot about that and our
supervisor didn't like it, youknow what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I think I used to be way into the horse.
I mean, you remember we wereway into you know what it is, I
think because there was a triplecrown winner and so now it's
like, yeah, it's not as excitinganymore for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That is very, very true.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Yeah, like we've been just holding out for that
Triple Crown we also don't go tocasinos as much as we used to.
That is also true, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Because my husband and I would just make a date of
it.
We'd take 20 bucks each and godown and just bet ponies,
because you win 13 bucks here,eight bucks there.
So you can keep playing for alittle while, as long as you
pace yourself.
But yeah, good old daysdisposable income not even yeah

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exactly all right, that's.
We gotta shut it down now, yeahwe're getting, we're getting
rowdy, we're getting rowdy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
We're teetering on disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
We just took another pause and things are getting
very dark.
It's really not yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
So that was very informative, poping it up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
It was kind of neat, although you did not bring up
the Popemobile.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
All right, well, real quick.
So the Popemobile was made ofbulletproof glass after pope
john paul the second had anassassination attempt on him yes
and then pope francis decidedhe did not want he wanted to be
shot exactly, although I stilldo like the comedian's joke of
um, why do they have bulletproofglass?

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What are they afraid?
They afraid they're going todie and go to heaven.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Didn't Pope John Paul II get shot at twice?
I felt like that when I wasreading it, but maybe the same
person shot two bullets.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
We did just look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, we just took another pause because we just
really it's a shit show heretoday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
I don't know what's going on.
I don't either.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
But yeah, she looked it up and, although I thought I
sounded like an idiot saying it,it was two bullets.
It was two bullets.
Yes, I do remember things onceand every blue moon.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I mean, I thought it was two different attempts, so
yeah between the two of us.
We'll figure it out and if you,want to really confirm it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Before you talk to anybody else, look it up first,
don't go by whatever, we Googleeverything unless you like fake
news, then go for it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
The new rage fake news, then go for it.
The new rage fake news.
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