She Doesn't Even Go Here

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SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
Two best friends talking fast.
We're missing to our case, we'rehaving a blast.
Seeing these dreams, clicking onscreens, it was all bad.
Never never never laughing Jerryon scoring forever.

(00:24):
We'll take you back likewhatever.

SPEAKER_02 (00:31):
Welcome to Like Whatever, a podcast for, by, and
about Gen X.
I'm Nicole, and this might beFFF Heather.

SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
Hello.

SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
So we had a special occasion this week.

SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
It wasn't very special.

SPEAKER_02 (00:45):
Heather of Like Whatever had a birthday on
Sunday.
I did.

SPEAKER_01 (00:50):
Yep.
And I had a lovely day because Iwas home by myself.
And I got to watch football from9 a.m.
until I went to bed.
So that is a winning day.
And the Eagles won.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
And the Eagles won.
Yes.
I spent the day the same way,just not with you.
Just started football at 9 30 inthe morning and watched it all
the way through.
It was very nice.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
Um, our mail count is over.
Thank God.
Yep.
I did better than most.
So yeah, it's yeah, I'm gladit's over for you.
All of me though.
So six months from now we'll bedoing it again.
Yeah.
It's uh it's weird.

(01:33):
Um, it's weird being in theminority in the office now
because it's like feelsdifferent in there, and so it's
not like anybody's mad at you inparticular, but I don't know,
there's just such a tensionbecause everybody's pissed off.

SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
So they're not pissed at you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47):
No, they're just pissed, and so it's like a you
the like you get a lot of sideout, like, and every time
somebody's like, Well, how'd youdo?
And I'm just like, terrible.
I just like the homeer goingback into the yeah.
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
But so that was that was mybirthday present on Saturday,
was my route went up.
So nice.

(02:07):
I'm very happy about thatbecause I am not going to be
able to work anymore overtimeever again.
Is that a new rule?
No, well, no, kind of.
Because I'll the way my route isset up, I will have two days
off, Sundays and Wednesdays.
And a lot of the uh routes inthe office dropped so that they
only get one day off and thentwo days every other week.

(02:30):
And so the subs will not have awhole lot of work.
So anybody who has two days offis gonna have to take it for the
subs.

SPEAKER_02 (02:38):
Yeah.
I mean, it sucks for the money,but at least it forces you to
take your two days off.
Yeah.
Because that's a tough choice tomake.

SPEAKER_01 (02:45):
It's not money all the way.
I'd rather have the money.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:48):
I was actually thinking on the way down here.
Should I get a small littlepart-time job?

SPEAKER_01 (02:52):
Nah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:53):
I mean, it didn't take me long then.

SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
It it's for me, because like today I was done at
one o'clock, 1.30.
1.45.
So I was I got the whole rent.
You know, like that's that's apart-time job for me.
I went in at 7 30, worked till1.30.
True.
I mean, yesterday sucked, butyeah, but that was Monday.
Today's Tuesday.

SPEAKER_02 (03:14):
Yeah, yesterday did suck.
All the way just around.
Yesterday was a shit day.
I'm glad it's over.
Yeah.
But yeah, sad day.
My friend's dog passed away.
Yes.
And I was the one that found it.
Ugh.

SPEAKER_03 (03:30):
Ugh.

SPEAKER_02 (03:31):
And I was the one who had to call her and tell
her.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Not the best.
But he was old.
He lived an amazing life.
He was a happy, I don't evenlike little dogs, and he was the
happiest little dog.
Like he didn't even get on mynerves, which is rare for little
dogs.

SPEAKER_01 (03:50):
Yeah, you know, you gotta really I was a big I was
always a big dog fan until I hadmy girl, my my dog, my soul dog,
as they call it, um, the end ofher life was extremely
expensive.
Yeah, extremely expensive.
And big dogs are extremelyexpensive.
Yes.

(04:10):
So I downsized.
And yeah, they're they livelonger, which is good.
Um, but there's there's givesand takes on that one.

SPEAKER_02 (04:20):
So yeah.
I mean, he was um completelyblind, completely deaf.
Just wandered around bonkinginto walls.
Yeah.
We actually laughed at it.
It was kind of cute.
I mean, he didn't hurt himself,he'd just be like, Oh, hey,
that's a wall.
Move on to the next thing.
We'd have to steer him around toget him to the door and back up

(04:41):
the steps and all that stuff.
But yeah, but my friend's reallysad.
Um how old was he?
I think like 17.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (04:52):
So so that was yesterday.
Reading Rainbow is back.

SPEAKER_01 (04:57):
Reading Rainbow is back.
New host.
I don't remember his name rightoff the top of my head, but it
is not LeVar Burton.
Did you watch Reading Rainbow?
I did.
I wasn't allowed as an adult.
I watched it.
I mean, I I guess I watched itsome as a kid.
No, I don't remember when itcame on.
Yeah.
They said earlier today, and Iknow LeVar Burton did it until

(05:19):
like 2000 something, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (05:21):
But Reading Rainbow and Mr.
Rogers were off off.

SPEAKER_01 (05:25):
How is Mr.
Rogers off?
Like I get LeVar Burton Wayne.

SPEAKER_02 (05:31):
So no, it didn't even have to do with race.
If it was a show my mom didn'tlike, we didn't watch it.
So don't fucking read a book.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Luckily she likes Sesame Street,so I did get to do that one.
But yeah.
I missed out on a lot of thekids shows when I was little.

SPEAKER_01 (05:49):
Yeah.
That's a shame.
I I I do remember I don'tremember watching it as an ad as
a kid, but I remember watchingit as an adult because I love
LeVar Burton.
And I'm a Star Treky fan.

SPEAKER_02 (06:03):
So I mean it is tough to sit through shows your
kid your kids like and youdon't, but I let my son watch
Barney and Teletubbies.
Yeah.
And Teletubbies was hisfavorite.
Yes, it freaking was favorite.

SPEAKER_01 (06:18):
I hated that.

SPEAKER_02 (06:19):
He had the yellow Teletubby that he took
everywhere with him, stayed inbed with him.
It talked when you pushed it,which was super fucking creepy.

SPEAKER_01 (06:26):
It was creepy.

SPEAKER_02 (06:26):
Yeah, that show was that show was creepy.

SPEAKER_01 (06:28):
Weird as hell.
Yes.
Yes.
I babysat many a time and had towatch it.
And I remember I was like, thisis why I don't have kids.
Yeah.
I don't have to watchteletubbies.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (06:40):
The other night I sent my daughter a video of my
cats.
And she all she writes back is,Are you really watching
SpongeBob?
Because she could hear it in thebackground.
I was like, dude, I fucking loveSpongebob, okay?
It's funny as hell.

unknown (06:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (06:55):
I love it.
So yes, I do.
I remember years ago, um ourex-brother-in-law came over once
and was like, you know, youdon't have to watch SpongeBob
when the kids aren't home,right?
It's like, man, I love it.
I do though.

SPEAKER_01 (07:13):
It's a good show.
It is.
It's highly entertaining.
There's something else too.
Oh, did you see on Sunday NightFootball they advertise that
Bruce Springsteen movie?
Hmm.
I don't think so.
I forget what it's called.
Is your mom all over?
As soon as I saw it, I was assoon as they I didn't, I didn't
even need to see.
As soon as they started playingsomething, I was like, oh no.

(07:36):
And it's the kid from the bear.
Oh.

unknown (07:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
And I was like, okay.
No.
Okay.
And I I was like, I don't.
She didn't text me, so shemustn't maybe it wasn't on.
I watched it on Peacock, somaybe it was a Peacock
advertisement.

SPEAKER_03 (07:51):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (07:51):
Because is that what the bear is on, Peacock?
It's on Netflix.
Anyway.

unknown (07:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:59):
I forget what it's on.

SPEAKER_02 (08:00):
I'm gonna have to tell my friend because she is
all like every time I get in herJeep, she's got serious Bruce
Springsteen on the series, theBruce Springsteen channel.
And I'm always one time I waslike, so you're on a big Bruce
Springsteen kick fan, hey, hey.
And she was just like, Oh, Ilove it.

(08:21):
And she knows every word toevery song, and her other friend
calls it um, I can't rememberwhat she called it, but there's
a nickname.
So apparently this has been alifelong addiction.

SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
I think it's called Deliver Me From Nowhere.
Okay.
Uh it's a based on a book.
Yeah, I'm reading.
So is it a biography?
Biography?
Yes.
Okay.
Uh American biographical musicaldrama film written and directed
by Scott Cooper based on the2023 book Deliver Me From

(08:55):
Nowhere, starring Jeremy AllenWhite as Bruce Springsteen.
Um it chronicles the conceptionof Springsteen's 1982 album,
Nebraska.
Oh, well, maybe she won't wantto see it because I do know that
she did not care for Nebraska.

SPEAKER_02 (09:10):
She'll still want to see it.
Probably.

SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
My poor dad.

SPEAKER_02 (09:13):
What do you think of the halftime for Super Bowl?

SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
I'm not a big bunny or bad bunny fan.

SPEAKER_02 (09:18):
Um it it he's you just don't know him, right?

SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
I I know him.
I'm just I'm not, I'm just not,yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:24):
Yeah, I feel the same way.
Like I I'm good with the pick.
Oh, yeah.
Um I think he's gonna put on agreat show.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (09:31):
I think he is He's like the number one artist in
the world right now.
So it makes complete and totalsense that they do it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:37):
And he's fine as hell.
Like he has a nice looking man,yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (09:40):
Yes.
And he he's an American citizen.
I don't know if well apparentlythat's a point of contention
right now.
Yes, but people don't know theiranything from Puerto Rico, which
is a US territory.

SPEAKER_02 (09:57):
No, I think you know, it's it's nothing that
particularly excites me, but Ithink he will put on a very good
halftime show.

SPEAKER_01 (10:02):
Yeah, I'm not I I know his I I rem he was in um
Happy Gilmore too, and I enjoyedhim in that.
I enjoyed him on Saturday NightLive, but as far as his music,
it's not my cup of tea.
Well, most of it's in Spanish,so well yeah, and I don't know.
And you don't know Spanish.
I mean, I know that's fine.
I don't I don't have an issuewith I don't have an issue at
all with it.
So sometimes the music isn't forme.

SPEAKER_02 (10:26):
Yeah.
See, I'm not the only one olderyou get, the less the music is
for you.

SPEAKER_01 (10:31):
Yeah, I'm not the only person on the planet.

SPEAKER_02 (10:32):
So but speaking of music, this Friday, yeah,
Taylor's new album comes out,OMG.
I am so excited.
I can't take it.
So excited.
All I'm gonna listen to allweekend.
And then on Sunday from noon tothree, while the Eagles are
playing at one o'clock, no less.
Oh no.
My BFFF is taking me to a TaylorSwift brunch to celebrate the

(10:57):
new album.
Yeah.
And I could not be more excited.
So although all right, butbefore she speaks, let me say I
was talking about this with myfriend the other night, last
night, I think.
And she was like, Oh, poorHeather, I can't believe you're
putting her through this, blah,blah, blah.
And I was like, she's alreadyplanning her outfit.
I haven't even thought that far.

(11:18):
So don't tell me.

SPEAKER_01 (11:20):
Look, I was going to, but then I remembered I
think I gave my thigh high bootsaway.

SPEAKER_02 (11:24):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (11:25):
I know.
Because I had thigh high boots.
And then I got fatter.
So I don't know if I got rid ofmy thigh high boots, but I'm
gonna make it work.
But look, here's the thing I Idon't mind Taylor Swift.
I really don't.
Um I like her newer stuff.
The country stuff I couldprobably live without, but um,
like her newer stuff, I I don'tmind.

SPEAKER_02 (11:42):
Um, like my therapist, she said, you know,
we discovered we were bothSwifties, which makes therapy
even more fun because now we useum Taylor Swift analogies for
things.
But um she um likes a lot of thesame kind of music that you do
and stuff.
Well, not that old because she's20 years younger than us, but um

(12:04):
she said that her friend came toher when uh the tortured poets
department came out, and shesaid, You have got to listen to
this.
And she was like, You mean thegirl that sang Shake It Off?
You think I'm gonna like hermusic?
And they were like, I'm serious.
Well, come to find out, mytherapist loves sad music.
She loves sad music, and thatwhole album is just breakups,

(12:29):
except for the two songs aboutTravis, which just snuck in
there right at the end beforeshe put the album out.
It's it's pretty heavy, it'spretty emotional.

SPEAKER_01 (12:40):
Um, I under I hey, I understand why she's so popular.
I do, I get it.
She's beautiful.
Uh, I I wish all the best forher.
I think she's a great humanbeing.
She's a poet.
I mean, the words she putstogether are just beautiful.
It's all lovely.
Her song, it's it's not my cupof tea.
Right.
It's not your kind of music.
Somebody went to an odditiesthing with me, and in order to

(13:02):
make a relationship work for 30some years, yes, it's called
fucking compromise.
It is.
And you have to do things thatyou might not want to do, and
then you end up having a goodtime anyway.
Exactly.
And I'm gonna go with herreputation, right?
A reputation era because shewore all black.

SPEAKER_02 (13:21):
Yeah.
I'm getting my nails donetomorrow, so I'm definitely
doing orange.
Um yeah, that's what this oneis, right?
Orange.
Yeah, but you don't.
I mean, people are gonna beshowing up in all kinds of
arrows.
I'm gonna wear them.
Yeah, you can totally as soon asI find my black.

SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
I don't know if I gave I think I gave them away
though.

SPEAKER_02 (13:37):
Yeah.
So I might need to go out andbuy some orange clothes though,
because I don't know if I haveany.

SPEAKER_01 (13:42):
Oh, I wish I I had no I have an orange sweater.
Is it a cardigan?

SPEAKER_02 (13:47):
No, it's a pullover.
It might be too hot for asweater on Sunday.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It gives me an excuse to goshock.

SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
Okay.
Yeah, I'm good.
Um, if if we'll see.
There's a good possibility.
We are recording this.
Hello.
Um whether that goes up or notis yet to be seen because it
just took me like 45 minutes toget that fucking thing set up.

SPEAKER_02 (14:13):
And we have no idea what this video is gonna look
like.

SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
So I am leaning over there.
I don't know.
I need to get a tripod.
As soon as I get a tripod, thenwe're gonna do it more
consistently.

SPEAKER_02 (14:22):
But but I'm proud of Heather because she has been
talking about wanting to get usYouTube.
Yeah.
This is all falls on her.
She does pretty much I drivehere and supply the fireball
line.
That's pretty much all I do.
She does the socials.

SPEAKER_01 (14:38):
I do, I do.
Um, so my plan is because I amnot real good at mastering
editing a video.
The YouTube version will videowill probably, if we get there,
will probably be unedited.
You'll get to see us check ourphones, drink our wine.

SPEAKER_02 (14:56):
Yeah, I mean, this is this is it.
It's raw.
This is what we do.

SPEAKER_01 (15:00):
I mean, I don't do much editing to begin with,
though.

SPEAKER_02 (15:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:04):
But I think that's what's so charming about us.
About the ums and the thewhatever.
Yeah.
Or if she says, You have topause for a minute.
I don't know why we whisper.

SPEAKER_02 (15:17):
I don't want anybody in podcast land to hear me say
it.
You're gonna cut all this out,right?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think I think thatpretty much recaps the week.
I did watch a really good showon Netflix called Wayward.
Have you seen the?
It's new.

(15:38):
It's creepy as fuck.
It's a thriller, eight episodes,about an hour long.
Um, basically, this town, thiscouple moves back to this town,
wife is pregnant.
Um, there are no children inthis town, and there is this
reform school that they all goto.
Um, and yeah, it's it's prettycrazy.

(16:02):
Yeah.
Um I love a cult.
Creepy scary lady.
Yeah.
Nobody will listen to the kids.
Everybody's kind it reminded mea little bit of did you ever see
Get Out?
Yes.
Man, I love that movie.
I need to watch that again soon.

(16:23):
I've been thinking about it alot.
But the way that they all actwhen they're like in a group and
everybody's kind of like weirdand of one mindset.
Like, that's kind of how thetownspeople are.
It was it was creepy.
I liked it.
I highly recommend it.
I will look into it.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
All right, you want to do our Ido.
So um listen to us wherever youget your podcasts.

(16:46):
Yes.
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Please.
Um you can find us on all thesocials at like whatever pod.
Um we are on YouTube, andhopefully soon we will actually
have content.
Um and oh, send us an email,likewhateverpod at gmail.com.

(17:08):
We still got those freestickers.
If anybody would like one, wedo.

SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
I should have brought some and held them up
for you, but I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 (17:16):
I know I keep meaning to like take a picture
of it and post it so becausemaybe they'd like to see what
the sticker looks like beforethey actually ask for one.

SPEAKER_01 (17:25):
We are temporarily in this space.
As soon as it's not 483,000degrees, we will be moving to a
more permanent place, and assoon as I get furniture for it,
but whatever.
Yeah.
Um, so this this whole setup isvery raw, janky.

SPEAKER_02 (17:40):
Very raw.
Yeah, it's it's not ideal.
We have a 1950s folding cardtable here.
Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (17:49):
So let's fuck around.
I don't even know what this is,and find out uh the day this is
releases.
It's Friday, October 3rd, uh,which is my mother's birthday.
So we're gonna fuck around andfind out about all the things
that have happened on October3rd, and you are gonna be

(18:10):
fucking shocked.

SPEAKER_02 (18:12):
Yay! I am so excited, and I'm also jealous
that your mom shares a birthdaywith the release date of Toyota.

SPEAKER_01 (18:21):
I was just in shock of the stuff that happened.
I I mean, obviously I didn't doeverything that happens on
because there's one thing thatwe're just not gonna be able to
go in on in this, and I don'tknow that we ever will just
because it's okay in Sandy, butwe'll just I'm so excited.
So, first I wanted to go way inthe way back machine.

(18:43):
Because on October 3rd, Lincolnproclaimed the last Thursday of
November as a National Day ofThanksgiving, marking a
significant moment in Americanhistory during the Civil War.
Uh, it was issued during atumultuous period in American
history, specifically amongstthe Civil War.
His displa his decision toestablish a National Day of

(19:04):
Thanksgiving was influenced by along campaign led by Sarah
Joseph Hale, who advocated for aunified national holiday.
I think we talked about this oneon our Thanksgiving one.

SPEAKER_02 (19:14):
Yeah, so this just made me think of something that
was a heartwarming story I wantto tell really, really quick.
One of those shows that I watch,The Mystery at the Museum, blah,
blah, blah.
Like I always say, I can'tremember which one it is.
But anyway, I think it was WorldWar II, and the Germans were in
a trench, and the Americans werein a trench, and it was

(19:35):
Christmas Eve, and they did likea ceasefire just amongst the
like 50 men that were there.
No one else knew.
Um on Christmas Day, they cametogether and actually spent time
together, and then we're likeback to work, and they had to
get back into the trenches, butit was nice to see beauty in

(19:58):
such an awful thing that likethe human spirit can be kind
sometimes.
Even in the worst of times, thenin the last six months, even one
of the trenches put up a flagthat said Merry Christmas.
Oh, I know, even though I hateChristmas.
I know you do, but still, that'snot the point.

SPEAKER_01 (20:19):
So, in his proclamation, Lincoln expressed
gratitude for the blessings ofthe nation.
He invited all Americans toobserve the last Thursday of
November as a day ofThanksgiving and praise to God.
The proclamation emphasizedthemes of unity, gratitude, and
reflection on the nation'schallenges and blessings.
Um Lincoln's proclamation set aprecedent for Thanksgiving as a

(20:41):
national holiday, which waslater solidified by FDR in 1939
when he designated the fourthThursday of November as the
official Thanksgiving day.
I guess he made it a holiday.
Lincoln's call for a day ofgratitude during a time of
national crisis resonated deeplywith the American public and has
continued to influence theobservance of Thanksgiving in

(21:03):
the United States.
It's pretty cool.
My dad's birthday falls onThanksgiving sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 (21:08):
Oh, does it?
November 23rd.

SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
Um, this one is technically not Gen X, but it's
one of my favorite old-time TVs.
We're gonna fucking talk aboutit.
In 1961, the TV sitcom Mr.
Ed premiered on CBS.
Um, Mr.
Ed's name was Bamboo Harvester.
Uh, he was an Americansaddle-bred part Arabian horse

(21:34):
that was known for portrayingMr.
Ed on the 61 to 66 comedy seriesof the same name.
He was folded in 1949.
The gelding was trained by WillRogers' protege, Les Hilton.
He was born in the Los Angelesarea, but some sources disagree
as to whether his birthplace wasin El Monte or at Harvester
Farms in Chatsworth, California.

(21:54):
But I'm gonna guess that hisname was Bamboo Harvester, so
he's probably born at theHarvester Farm.
Sounds scandalous, though.
What?
Um in 1968, two years after thecancellation of Mr.
Ed, at the age of 19, Bamboobegan to suffer from a variety
of age-related ailments,including kidney problems and
arthritis, and he was euthanizedin 1970.

(22:17):
Poor Mr.
A second Palomino horse namedPumpkin, alternately pumpkin,
which had for still picking upthough.
Ooh.
Which had, I don't know thatthey still do it.
I think it moved somewhere else.
Yeah, it's not yeah, I don'tknow.
Um, pumpkin, which had posed forstill pictures used in press

(22:37):
kits for the show and somepersonal appearances, survived
until 1979.
Uh after Bamboo Harvester'sdeath, the second horse was
unofficially known as Mr.
Ed.
Now you know.
There's two Mr.
Eds.
Did not know that.
And his name was BambooHarvester.
Uh I know they gave him likepeanut butter or something.

(22:59):
That's how he talked.
Oh, yeah.

unknown (23:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:07):
In 1983.
Okay.
October 3rd, 1983.
Paul McCartney and MichaelJackson's duet single, Say Say
Say.
Oh, what a good song.
From Pipes, uh, from Paul'sPipes of Peace album.
Um, in the UK, say, say, say isa song by the English singer,
songwriter, and musician PaulMcCartney and the American

(23:29):
singer-songwriter MichaelJackson.
In case you did not know who Idon't know, two of the biggest
names in music were.
Today's your first day on earth.

SPEAKER_02 (23:40):
Yeah.
That is most definitely one ofthose songs that when I hear it,
I think of the roller skatingdrink rink, roller skating rink
every time.
That was definitely roller rink.
Mine is centerfold.
I was gonna say the um the videotoo was excellent.
I like the video.
And yes, centerfold doesn't makeme think of the skating rink,
but it is probably my favoritesong from that time.

SPEAKER_01 (24:02):
It was definitely and all I can think of is the
skating rink when I hearcenterfold.

SPEAKER_02 (24:06):
And I think how funny it must have been for all
the adults to listen to us singthat song as little kids, having
no idea what we were sayingabout for real.

SPEAKER_01 (24:15):
She's my chamber.
Just all of them are awesome.
I mean, the so my first 45.
Um, my my and it's I don't knowwhy I have it or who got it for
me.
It had to have been agrandparent because my dad
absolutely hates this person.
But um, my first, and it was myfavorite song, and I would walk

(24:36):
around screaming it as a smallchild, Hot Legs by Ron Stewart.
It's my favorite fucking song.
My dad absolutely hates.

SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
I'm I'm there with your dad.
Not a big fan of Ron Stewart.

SPEAKER_01 (24:53):
So um, it was released in October of 83 as the
lead single from McCartney's 83album, Pipes of Peace, produced
by George Martin.
It was recorded duringproduction of McCartney's 1982
Tug of War album, about a yearbefore the release of The Girl
is Mine.
Also a very good song.
The pair's first duet fromJackson's album Thriller.

(25:15):
After its release, Say Sei Seibecame Jackson's seventh top ten
hit inside of a year.
It was the number one hit in theUnited States, Canada, Norway,
Sweden, and several othercountries, and it reached number
two in the United Kingdom andpeaked within the top ten in
Australia, Austria, New Zealand,the Netherlands, Switzerland,
and over 20 other nations.

(25:37):
Um in 2013, it was listed as the41st biggest hit of all time.
It has been voted the ninth bestcollaboration of all time in
Rolling Stone Reader Poll.
I really should look that upbecause what is number one?

SPEAKER_02 (25:52):
I don't know, but on the way down here on the radio,
I heard Um Crazy for You by umMadonna.
And it's been a long time.
That is such a beautiful song.
Her old stuff is really good.
Yeah, I love her old stuff.
I don't know where she went offthe rails.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:06):
She's gonna make an appearance in this episode.

SPEAKER_02 (26:09):
Ooh, man, I am just foreshadowing all over the
place.

SPEAKER_01 (26:14):
The single was certified gold by the Recording
Industry Association of America.
Um, the single was promoted withan influential music video
directed by Bob Garaldi.
The short film centers aroundtwo con artists called Mac and
Jack.
Um McCartney biographer RayColeman asserted that the

(26:35):
majority of the song's lyricswere written by Jackson and
given to McCartney the next day.
Recording began at Air Studiosin London in May of 81.
At the time, McCartney wasrecording Tug of War.
Um that's his second album withWings.
Okay.
Oh no, that's his second albumafter the breakup of Wings, the
solo.

(26:56):
Jackson stayed at the home ofMcCartney and his wife Linda
during the recording sessionsand became friends with both.
While at the dining table oneevening, Paul McCartney brought
out a booklet that displayed allthe songs to which he owned the
publishing rights.
This is the way to make bigmoney, the musician informed
Jackson.
Every time someone records oneof these songs, I get paid.
Every time someone plays thesesongs on the radio or in live

(27:18):
performances, I get paid.
McCartney's words influencedJackson's later purchase of ATV
Music Publishing in 1985, whichI believe has the entire Beatles
catalog.
McCartney played severalinstruments on Say Say Say,
including percussion,synthesizer, and guitar.
The harmonica was played byChris Smith.

(27:40):
The rhythm guitar was played byDavid Williams.
Nathan Watts played bass, anddrums were played by Ricky
Lawson.
Song was engineered by a formerBeatles sound engineer.
Um it was completed in Februaryof 83.
As keyboard player, Bill Wolferrecalled in a 2014 interview, he
and Jackson worked on a roughsketch of the song based on the

(28:01):
original acoustic demo withMcCartney.
Jackson's intention being topresent the latter in his vision
for the song.
It soon evolved into a 24-trackrecording with a rhythm section,
horns, and harmonica laid down,which Michael presented to
McCartney instead, and this waskept in the final version.
Very cool.
George Martin, who had workedwith the Beatles, produced the

(28:24):
song.
Um is this George R.R.
Martin?
I didn't say.
He said of his experience withJackson, he actually does
radiate an aura when he comesinto the studio.
There's no question about it.
He's not a musician in the sensethat Paul is, but he does know
what he wants in music and hehas very firm ideas.
And if you've worked with theBeatles, and then you say

(28:45):
Michael Jackson has an aura whenhe walks into the room, I feel
like that's uh for real.
I mean, you worked with like theone of the biggest bands.

SPEAKER_02 (28:55):
Yeah, I saw Paul Mc Paul McCartney at a music
festival like 10 years ago,maybe, and he still got it, man.

SPEAKER_01 (29:02):
I saw him, my mom made me go.
Um, we were in nosebleed at theold vet.
That's how long ago was at thevet veteran stadium.

SPEAKER_02 (29:10):
Yeah, we were at the Firefly Music Festival, so it
was outdoor.
He was one of the headliners, soit was late at night, it was
dark.
Oh my god, his light show andhis his singing is just still so
intact.
Like that's amazing.
Yeah, and yeah, excellent show.
He has a million times moreenergy than I have, and he's
twice my age.

(29:31):
Well, not twice.
I guess he's not 104.
He might be though, I don'tknow.

SPEAKER_01 (29:36):
I want to say probably he's gotta be pushing
90, right?
He has to.
Here, I'll look at okay.

unknown (29:43):
Continue on.

SPEAKER_01 (29:46):
It was a hot 100 for six weeks and became Jack, I
told you that, breaking a recordthat until then was held jointly
by the Beatles and ElvisPresley.
As of 2023, it remainsMcCartney's final number one
signal on the hot 100, either ina group or solo.
Uh Say Say Say reached numbertwo on the RB chart and number
three on the hot adultcontemporary chart.

(30:08):
It also stated that it recordedEarning Top Spot as Jackson's
best performing Hot 100 chartsingle after leading the charts
for six weeks.
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (30:17):
All right, Paul McCartney turned 83 on June
18th.
So he's not that old.
1942, the year World War IIended.
45.
I thought 40.
Is it 42 when it started?
Yeah, we got involved in 42.
Okay.
It ended in 45.
Yeah.
And terrible with dates.
Yeah.
But still, he's a World War IIbaby.

SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
He is.
And I will die on that hill.
I mean, they were in the middleof World War II at that point.

SPEAKER_02 (30:44):
So yeah, that is true.
Yeah, true, true, true.

SPEAKER_01 (30:48):
They were fully involved.
Yeah, I bet his mom was a littlestressed during that pregnancy.
That was probably not a goodtime.
Yeah.
Um, blah, blah, blah.
Uh so that's that's that.
Okay, we'll move on.
Nobody else cares.
Oh, wait, no, I lied.
Oh, on October 6, 2015,McCartney released a new version

(31:09):
of the song in which the vocalroles of him and Jackson are
reversed.
It was remixed by Steve atOrchard and Mark Spike Stent.
On the new version, which isover three minutes longer than
the original, the opening of thefirst verse is sung by Jackson
instead of McCartney.
Orchard set of the remix, Paulremembered that there were two
unused lead vocal performancesby Michael and himself.

(31:29):
We rearranged the vocal sequenceand inverted the original
performance so that Michaelopened the first verse instead
of Paul.

SPEAKER_02 (31:36):
That's so cool.
So when they first recorded it,they did it both ways.
Yeah.
And then decided which one theyliked better.

SPEAKER_01 (31:43):
It gave the song a different take on the original
version.
More specifically, Jackson singsthe parts that McCartney had in
the original, and vice versa,for much of the song.
It appears on the 2015 reissueof Pipes of Peace.
A radio edit of the new remixwas released for streaming on
the 30th of October of 2015.

(32:04):
And it is on the compilationPure McCartney.
So in 1992.
But uh the Queen of Pop singerMalana premiered her erotic,
erotic erotica.

SPEAKER_02 (32:27):
Remember when that book came out?
I had that book.
That was some hubbub.

SPEAKER_01 (32:30):
I had that book.
It was in French.
Yeah, because you couldn't getit in English.
And I don't know how I got it.
I remember that you had thatbook.
Yeah, I had it in French.
Um big Madonna fan here.
I saw the erotica tour.
That was my second.
That was her second, the secondtour I saw of hers.
I saw one before maybe was thatthe first one or was that the
second one?
No, it was the first one.

(32:52):
That was the first one, and Isaw her again after that.
But yeah.
It was funny too because um notI I made Christine go to that
one.
But the second one I went to,um, I went with a friend of mine
who I remember haven't seen in avery long time.
And uh she she loves I mean Iremember.

SPEAKER_02 (33:15):
She loves I remember how excited she was.

SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
She was stupid excited.
Yeah.
And um, so we went and you know,we were way up pretty high.
And then you could see the floorseats and everything, and she
had a and she's like, Well, howmuch were those floor seats?
And I was like, I don't know,they were like four or five
thousand dollars.
And this was like this isprobably like late 90s, early
2000s.

SPEAKER_02 (33:37):
Dude, I saw on Facebook that the FEMS are the
violent femmes are um touringand they're gonna be in
Wilmington, which would be asmall venue here in Little
Delaware.
So I went on, I was like, oh,tickets were like two, three
hundred bucks a piece for thecheap ones.
Yeah.
In Little Wilmington.
Yeah, well, at Freeman, they'relike a buck seventy-five.
That's nuts.

SPEAKER_01 (33:58):
Yeah, they do a good, good, good job.

SPEAKER_02 (34:00):
I mean, they deserve it, but no, I don't think they
have any control over it, butyeah, but on in a little venue
like that, uh in an old band,like yeah, I can't believe they
charge that much.

SPEAKER_01 (34:10):
When she finally did come out, when she came out on
stage, you know, we had, youknow, she does the whole
build-up, blah, blah, blah.
And when she did come out on thestage, my friend leaned over and
she was like, Oh, yeah, I'd havepaid$6,000 for that.

SPEAKER_02 (34:25):
That is one of those things, if I could afford it,
like if I had disposable money,I would pay top dollar to see
somebody I really wanted to seeup close.

SPEAKER_01 (34:34):
Depeche mode, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (34:36):
Yeah, because like when I went to Firefly, so this
was a four-day festival.
Um, it started like 11 in theafternoon and ran until like two
o'clock in the morning, and youknew the schedule and you knew
the stages.
So I went when um Mike D wasperforming, yeah, and I waited
for like three hours leaning onthe front of the stage or the

(35:00):
gate across the front of thestage.
I was like, there is no way I amnot gonna be up close for this.
And it was everybody that filledin around me, all my age.
We were all like, fuck that.
And it was awesome.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 (35:15):
Ocean's calling was this past weekend, and I wanted
to go to Friday, like the restof the weekend.
I mean, they had good stuff, butFridays made it.

SPEAKER_02 (35:23):
They did.
I had some friends that went andthey were posting about it, and
I was like, damn, like GreenDay.
Green Day, yeah.
And I heard he put on a greatshow.

SPEAKER_01 (35:30):
Yeah.
Green Day Devo.
Like it was Friday's show, itwas fucking amazing.
Yeah.
My uh he ran into MichelleBranch on on uh Saturday.
Get out.

SPEAKER_02 (35:43):
That's who she was eating.

SPEAKER_01 (35:44):
Um, she she went uh Sunday, she performed Sunday.

SPEAKER_03 (35:48):
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 (35:49):
Apparently she's married to the drummer from the
Black Keys.
Oh, excuse me.
I know I found that out.
I don't I like the Black Keystoo.
I don't have any idea howthey're sorry, sorry, Black
Keys, if you're listening.

SPEAKER_02 (36:00):
You'd know it if you heard it.

SPEAKER_01 (36:02):
I doubt it.
So yeah, Madonna, erotica.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
That is a cool one.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (36:09):
I have a 45 and I know I still have it.
I just don't know where it is,but I know within the past two,
three years I have had laid eyeson it, so I know I still have
it.
But I got the original um trueblue 45.
Oh, it's blue?
And it's blue.
Oh, I bet that thing's worthmoney.
I know, I know.
Uh yeah.
I can't decide if I want to lookinto selling it or sad.

SPEAKER_01 (36:32):
Look and see.

SPEAKER_02 (36:33):
Depends on how much it's worth.

SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (36:35):
If not, if it's not worth it's only worth a couple
hundred bucks, maybe not, but itwould be fun to display too,
though.
Because it's really pretty.

SPEAKER_03 (36:43):
It's pretty.

SPEAKER_01 (36:45):
Okay.
This one.
We're all gonna remember thisone.
I did not realize it was onOctober 3rd.
I'm so excited right now.
On October 3rd, also 1992.
Oh, not only did was Eroticareleased, uh-huh, the Irish
singer-songwriter SineadO'Connor appeared as a musical

(37:07):
guest on the American televisionprogram Saturday Night Live.
She staged a protest against theCatholic Church while performing
a rendition of Bob Marley's 1976song War.
She held a photograph of PopeJohn Paul II up to the camera,
tore it into pieces, said fightthe real enemy, and threw the

(37:27):
pieces to the floor.
She wasn't wrong.

unknown (37:30):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (37:32):
He has since apologized for that.

SPEAKER_02 (37:34):
Um he apologized for it?

SPEAKER_01 (37:36):
For for taking her.

SPEAKER_02 (37:38):
For making her so angry?

SPEAKER_01 (37:39):
No, no, not the Pope.
Um, what's his name?
From SNL.

unknown (37:44):
Why can't I think of his name?

SPEAKER_02 (37:45):
Oh, the guy that runs it?
Yes.
Why can't I think of his name?

SPEAKER_01 (37:47):
Fuck.
Um Lauren Michaels.
Lauren Michaels, he has sinceapol has said that he should not
he should not have um kicked heroff and not let her back on.
It was see, he rereaded that.

SPEAKER_02 (37:59):
Yeah, free speech is a real thing, people.
Oh, Lord, for moreforeshadowing.
I swear to God, she I didn'teven know the topic till I got
here, let alone see the script.

SPEAKER_01 (38:09):
I didn't even bother sending it to her.

SPEAKER_02 (38:10):
This is how unsync we are.

SPEAKER_01 (38:12):
In an interview, a few weeks after the performance,
O'Connor said she held theCatholic Church responsible for
physical, sexual, and emotionalabuse she had suffered as a
child.
Wow.
She also said that the churchhad destroyed entire races of
people and that the Catholicpriests had been beating and
sexually abusing children foryears.
O'Connor's performance tookplace nine years before John

(38:34):
Paul II publicly acknowledgedchild sexual abuse in the
Catholic Church.

SPEAKER_02 (38:38):
Oh, it only took him nine years after that to say, oh
yeah, I guess maybe that mighthappen.

SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
Yeah.
The protest the protesttriggered thousands of
complaints from viewers.
It attracted criticism from theCatholic Church and also brought
criticism from theAnti-Defamation League and
celebrities, including CatholicsJoe Pesci and Madonna.
Which I okay, here's the thing.
I get it, she is Catholic, butMadonna, come on.

SPEAKER_02 (39:05):
Like Exactly.
I mean, she's another woman.

SPEAKER_01 (39:09):
She's like a prayer.
Have you seen that?
Yeah.
Like you got into so muchbullshit on your Yeah.
Yeah.
They both mocked the performanceon SNL later that season.
Two weeks after her SNLappearance, O'Connor was booed
as a 30th anniversary tributeconcert for Bob Dylan at Madison
Square Garden in New York City.

SPEAKER_02 (39:29):
So many Karen's in this world.
Yeah.
Never even in 92.
No.

SPEAKER_01 (39:33):
Nevertheless, O'Connor said she did not regret
her act as she felt miscast inthe role of a pop star.
She saw herself as a protestsinger.
After the Catholic Churchcover-up of abuse became public,
retrospective opinion towardO'Connor, especially after she
died in 2023, shifted in supportof her.

SPEAKER_02 (39:51):
I hope she felt some empowerment because that would
have been really, really, reallyhard on so many levels.
Like you're on public TV, youknow you're going to get
backlash for this.
It's not like you're going tostand there and tear up a
picture of the Pope and nobody'sgoing to say a word about it.
And you're sharing that you'vebeen sexually abused.
Yeah.
Um, no matter who it's from.

(40:11):
So yeah, I mean, I hope she gotsome sort of validation from
that, even with all thebacklash.

SPEAKER_01 (40:20):
But I in 2020, Time named O'Connor the most
influential woman of 1992 forher protest.
Yep.
Daniel Glass, an executive atSinead O'Connor Record Label,
said that by 92 she was notgetting a lot of love.
She was controversial, shehadn't had a hit in a while.
In 90, O'Connor had writtenwithdrawn from a scheduled
appearance on the Americantelevision show's SNL when she

(40:42):
learned it was to be hosted byAndrew Dice Clay, who she said
was disrespectful to women.
True.
She's not wrong.
She had been criticized forrefusing to allow the Star
Spangled Banner to be playedbefore one of her shows in New
Jersey.
Later that year.
First of all, who is going to aSinead O'Connor concert and is

(41:04):
like, why aren't you playing thenational anthem?
Who?
Who?
Why were you there?
They never play a nationalanthem.
No.
I have never played.
Never been to an event.
I mean, they might at likecountry shows, but if you're
going to see Sinead O'Connor, Idon't feel like you're into
country music.

SPEAKER_02 (41:20):
Right.
And she's Irish, so why wouldshe have the American National
Anthem flag?

SPEAKER_01 (41:29):
Well, and it was also New Jersey, so I mean.
Sorry, New Jersey.
All right, my family's from NewJersey.
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SPEAKER_01 (42:39):
1990 MTV Music Awards.
She made a speech connecting herexperience of radio censorship
with the industry censorship ofblack artists.
She boycotted the 33 annualGrammy Awards and refused to
accept the Grammy she won a fewmonths later after writing a
letter to the Recording Academycriticizing the music industry
as materialistic.

(43:00):
She was raped Catholic andcriticized the Catholic Church
for its positions on birthcontrol and divorce.
And she forced her way in 92into the uh Irish Parliament to
speak uh to the Prime MinisterAlbert Reynolds regarding the
ex-case in which a 14-year-oldrape victim sought an abortion.

SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
Yeah, I mean she talked the talk and walked the
walk, so yes.
I don't think I realized howmuch advocacy work that she had
done.

SPEAKER_01 (43:31):
Um she performed the a cappella version of Bob
Marley's 76 song War, wearing anecklace with the Rastafarian
star and scarf with theRastafari and Ethiopian colors.
Um The photo that she had wastaken during John Paul's second

(43:54):
1979 visit to Ireland, and ithad hung in her mother's bedroom
until her death when O'Connorwas 18.
Since then, she had been waitingfor the right moment to destroy
it.
Is that the picture sheshredded?
Yes.
Get the fuck out.
That's so epic.
Yeah.
She said she took the idea ofripping it up on camera from the

(44:15):
Boomtown Rats, whose lead singerBob Geldoff had shredded a photo
of John Travolta and OliviaNewton John on the British
television program Top of thePops.

SPEAKER_02 (44:25):
Wow.
They must hate Grease 2.

SPEAKER_01 (44:28):
I can't blame them.
Grease 2, much better movie.
Oh my god.
Michelle Pfeiffer.
Come on, you really should.
It's epic.
I want to.
Olivia Newton John.

unknown (44:44):
Cool.

SPEAKER_01 (44:45):
The SNL producers were not aware of O'Connor's
plan.
During the dress rehearsal, shehad helped held up a picture of
a refugee child.
Glass said that everyone at SNLfroze after the live
performance, unsure how toreact.
And the music producer Liz Welchwent from jubilation to tears.
The NBC vice president at latenight television, Rick Ludwin,

(45:06):
recalled that when he saw whatO'Connor had done, he literally
jumped out of his chair.
The executive producer LaurenMichael said the air went out
the studio and that he orderedthat the applause sign should
not be used.
The audience remained silent,and O'Connor returned to her
dressing room where Glass foundher talking to herself.

(45:27):
A nationwide audience sawO'Connor's live performance,
which the New York Daily Newsfront page dubbed a holy terror.
NBC received more than 500 callson Sunday, which doesn't seem
like a lot.
And 400 more on Monday.
Again, that's only 900 calls.
Like of all the people thatwatched that.

SPEAKER_02 (45:45):
Like, why is that stat even public anywhere?

SPEAKER_01 (45:47):
Who cares?
Oh, and and then okay.
With all but seven criticizingO'Connor, it received 4,400
calls in total.
Again, still doesn't seem like alot.
Yeah.
I mean, it was 92 though.
Maybe I don't know.
Contrary to it was probably along distance.

SPEAKER_02 (46:06):
There were probably also a lot of people who would
um protest a lot or woulddisagree with a lot of things,
but had been through similarsituations that she had been
through and decided to just keeptheir trap shut.

SPEAKER_01 (46:20):
Contrary to the rumor, NBC was not fined by the
FCC, which has no regulatorypower over such behavior in
1992.
It's called the First Amendment,everyone.
They had no regulatory powerover such behavior in 1992.

SPEAKER_02 (46:38):
Yes.
Back in 92, you were allowed tosay things on TV and not get
your show canceled and thenrestarted.

SPEAKER_01 (46:46):
NBC did not edit the performance out of the West
Coast tape delayed broadcastthat night.
I love it.
But they did ban her for life.
Um she probably didn't want tocome back anyway.
John Joe Pesci's monologuefeaturing the tape up photo and
the comments about O'Connor.
Oh, yeah, he tore it up.
The following week's episode washosted by Joe Pesci, who was

(47:08):
raised Catholic, holding up thephoto.
She had torn up.
He explained that he had tapedit back together to applause.
He added that if O'Connor hadappeared on an episode he was
hosting, he would have grabbedher by the eyebrows and would
have gave her such a smack.

SPEAKER_02 (47:22):
Well, that hurts my feelings because I like Joe
Pesci, but I mean, would youhave expected literally anything
else from Joe Pesci?
True.
And Sinead totally could havetaken him.
He's just a little fucker.

SPEAKER_01 (47:36):
Criticism continued to the in the following days.
The Catholic Cardinal BernardFrancis Law, who in 2002
resigned as Archbishop of Bostonfor covering up abuse, called
the act a gesture of hate andneo-anti-Catholicism.
The Anti-Defamation Leaguecondemned O'Connor and

(47:56):
misconstrued her Rasta emblem asa Jewish symbol.
Joseph Swilling of the Postdescribed the protest as an act
of hatred and intolerance thatpromoted violence.
What about sexual abuse?

SPEAKER_02 (48:13):
Nobody mentioned that.
No.

unknown (48:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:20):
She initially planned to hold a press
conference in London, but fearedthis would become a media
circus.
Instead, she sent a letter toseveral major news
organizations.
She wrote that she had sufferedchildhood abuse due to the
suffering of the Irish under theBritish, a phenomenon she blamed
on the Catholic Church, andadded the story of my people is
the story of the Americ of theAfrican people, the Jewish
people, the American Indianpeople, the South American

(48:42):
people.
The story of countless millionsof children whose families and
nations were torn apart formoney in the name of Jesus
Christ.
Man, that's that was quite astatement.
The American singer Madonna, whowas raised Catholic, appeared on
SNL later that season.
After performing her single badgirl, she held up a picture of
the sex offender Joey Budafuco,said, fight the real enemy, and

(49:04):
tore it up.
I mean Madonna criticizedO'Connor in the Irish Times,
saying that dialogue was betterthan performance art to express
any problems she had with thechurch.
I mean, I disagree with that.
She did tear up a picture ofJoey Botofuco, so like she could

(49:25):
have been, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (49:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:28):
She made a point too.
She did.

SPEAKER_02 (49:30):
Yeah, all these fuckers should have their
pictures shredded.

SPEAKER_01 (49:35):
Uh, in an interview with Bob Guccione Jr.
a year earlier, O'Connor hadmentioned that despite Madonna
being admired as a campaignerfor women's rights, she had
slagged off, saying, I look likeI had run in with a lawnmower
and that I was about as sexy asa Venetian blind.
In 93 editorial, he calledMadonna's newly refound faith

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convenient and described hercriticism of O'Connor to
opportunism as she sought to sayin the news while promoting her
album Erotica and her book Sex,both of which he planned.
The New York Timesphotojournalist John Perrell
wrote that Madonna's responsemay have been professional
jealousy after O'Connor stolethe spotlight from her.

(50:17):
Because she had released Eroticaearlier in the day.

SPEAKER_02 (50:22):
Yeah, man.
We talked about this last weekor the week before, man.
Support women.
It's not pie.
There's enough, you know, you'renot getting anything taken away
from you by supporting someoneelse.
I mean, Madonna was young then.
I'm sure the world is crazy.
But yeah.

(50:43):
It would have been nice ifsomeone would have supported
Shanade a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 (50:46):
Two weeks after her appearance on SNL, O'Connor
performed at the 30thanniversary tribute concert for
Bob Dylan at Madison SquareGarden, New York City.
On stage, the actor and countrysinger Chris Christofferson
introduced her as an artistwhose name has become synonymous
with courage and integrity.
The audience booed as O'Connorstood with her head bowed.
Christopherson was supposed tolead her off the stage, but

(51:08):
instead whispered to her, Don'tlet the bastards get you down.
To which she replied, I'm notdown.
Good for Chris Christofferson.

SPEAKER_03 (51:15):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (51:16):
Um she was supposed to sing Um I Believe in You by
Bob Dylan, but she waved themoff and began singing War
Acapella instead, as she haddone at SNL.
She left the stage in tears andwas confront comforted by
Christofferson.
Her performance was not includedon the live album of the events.

(51:37):
Ew.

SPEAKER_02 (51:45):
Alright, so real quick then, if we're done with
Sinead, I you said somebody andtheir last name was Lol, and it
reminded me of a show I meant tobring up at the beginning.
And it is a little bit Gen X.

unknown (51:55):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (51:56):
It's not, but the two main characters are.
So it's on um Netflix also, andit's called Black Rabbit.
Have you seen I have heard ofit.
And it takes place in arestaurant, so there's a check
mark for you.
Um but it stars Jude Law and myfavorite Jason Bateman, or just

(52:17):
both very handsome men.
Um now Jason Bateman does not umwear the looks that I like.
Like he's either Grizzly Adamsor he's got a mullet, depending
on where we're at in the story.
But I still love him in JudeLaw.
My God, that man is handsome ashell.

(52:38):
Um, but their brothers have beenthrough trauma, got left a
restaurant by their dad.
One brother's a fuck up, oneseems like he's straight and
narrow, but you know, yeah,they've all been through trauma,
so trauma is so much fun.
Love it, love it.
What will my life be withouttrauma?

(53:00):
Um, so anyway, just wanted toput that in there because they
are uh two of our our guys fromfrom back then and it was a
really good show.
But if you're in your fields,you don't want to watch it
because yeah, it's a littledepressing.

SPEAKER_01 (53:15):
Um Chris Opperson released a song in tribute to
O'Connor, Sister Sinead, on his2009 album, Closer to the Bone.
Um you have to go listen to someChris Christofferson stuff and
watch some of his movies becauseI love that.
The filmmaker Olivia Wilde wrotethat she remains an example of
the power of provoking necessaryif unpopular conversations.

(53:39):
Um in the first episode airedafter O'Connor's death.
An SNL weekend update segmentbriefly referenced the incident
as an example of a great musicalperformance.
Keenan Thompson, in character asDeion Sanders, called O'Connor a
brave lady.
NBC did not rebroadcast the liveperformance unedited until 2025
when it was featured in thedocumentary from Ladies and

(54:00):
Gentlemen, 50 Years of SNLMusic.
In it, Lauren Michael statedthat he had admired the bravery
of what she'd done and also theabsolute sincerity of it, though
no mention was made of priornegative comments from him or
the show.
Reruns of the episode replacedthe performance with the dress
rehearsal, and previousdocumentaries, such as SNL

(54:22):
Backstage, would edit out herripping the photo apart.
All right.
This one we're gonna go.
I didn't even write it outbecause there's no reason.
Oh Jesus.
It's this, it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 (54:40):
You just like went really, really deep and dark.

unknown (54:50):
1995.

SPEAKER_01 (54:52):
All right, I'm ready.
OJ Simpson was acquitted.
Shut the fuck up.
The media circus that definedthe 90s and traped shaped true
crime obsession.
Yes, he was acquitted becausethe globe did not fit.

SPEAKER_02 (55:08):
Dude, I will give that what was what was his
lawyer's name?
Oh, um fuck.
Oh, I can see his face.
Yeah.
Anyway, I know one of them wasKim Kardashian's dad.
One was Effley Bailey.
One was Kardashian.
Yeah, one was Kardashian.
But I'm talking about the maindude.
Yeah.
Um fuck.

(55:29):
Anyway.
And my phone is way down there.
Although I don't it annoys thepiss out of me if the glove
doesn't fit, you must have quit.
Because no.
You have all this otherevidence.
Maybe somebody else was withhim.
Maybe that glove was just layingthere on the street and it was
somebody else's, and it gotblood on it from the whole

(55:49):
thing.
I mean, Johnny Cochran.

SPEAKER_01 (55:52):
Johnny Cochrane.
Okay, so the thing of it was isthat was Darden's idea to make
him put the gloves on.
And Marcia Clark told him no,that they should not do it
because the glove had beensoaked in blood and was not
going to fit him.
A because he had arthritis sobad, and because the glove had
shrunk.
Yep.
Meanwhile, if this if that hadhappened today, he would have

(56:13):
hands down.
Hands down.
The DNA alone would have gottenhim.
But DNA was so new then.

SPEAKER_02 (56:20):
Right.
And he was a rock star.
And I have to say, like righthere, real quick, because this
happened, something happenedwith this this week.
I have a really hard time beingupset with professional football
players specifically who doterrible things in their end of
life because CTE is a fuckingbitch.

SPEAKER_01 (56:42):
Um last podcast on the left just did a three-part
series on Ana Aaron Hernandez.

SPEAKER_02 (56:47):
Right.
And then just this week, um theformer player who went into the
NFL headquarters about a monthor two ago and killed four
people, he was angry becausethey didn't tell him back then
what CT.
They knew, but they didn't tellhim what was gonna happen to him
in his as he got older.

(57:09):
And I I just and even with OJ,you know, I it's a horrible
disease.
I mean, I really think we don'tneed to just say, you know, it's
head injuries and it's CT andfootball players get it.
Like I think they really need totalk about that more because I
don't think these guys cancontrol what they're doing.

(57:29):
I really don't.

SPEAKER_01 (57:31):
And they were Junior Sayoff shot himself in the chest
so that he could his brain couldbe exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (57:38):
So and these guys didn't know at the time, and
granted, people still playknowing the consequences, and
that's their choice to make.
Yeah, but those guysspecifically back then who are
like our age now, yeah, they hadno idea.
They were strictly being used tomake money, yeah, and nobody
gave a shit about theirwell-being.

(57:59):
And it's really hard for me,even with OJ.
I mean, I think he's guilty asshit.
He was jealous, he was enraged.

SPEAKER_01 (58:09):
So um one of the hosts of last podcast on the
left is a huge Dolphins fan.
Okay, has always been a Dolphinsfan.
Um, Ed Larson.
And he was the one that didusually it's Marcus that does
them, and then um he did do oneon uh SeaWorld.
Okay, and then he did this onebecause he's a he was a huge
football fan.

(58:29):
But he said that within the lastyear or so, he has really fallen
out of love with footballbecause of he played in high
school and he said the time thathe played was awful.
He said he was it was abuse justall the way around.

SPEAKER_02 (58:48):
It is, and you see then them even today with all
the coverage and and all theattention to it, you will see a
guy who has no clue where he isgetting taken into that blue
tent, and then they're like, Oh,you're fine, put your helmet on,
get back out there.
Yeah, I mean, they're really nottrying to and and then they make

(59:09):
those helmets look soridiculous.
You look like the alien from uhfucking what was that show back
in our day?
Uh the Jetsons, was he on there?
Oh, and the Flintstones.
The Flintstones, that's the one.
Yeah.
I mean, they make them lookobscene and and people make fun
of these guys wearing them, butfuck that.
If I were them, I'd be like, youput if I need to wear a mattress

(59:32):
around my head and I can stillperform my job, I'm gonna do it.
And you see these guys fall flaton their heads and bend their
necks, and you see the helmet tohelmets, and you see all that
stuff, and I mean, I just can'tbe mad at no somebody for they
don't have any control over it.
Their brains are mush.

(59:52):
Mush.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (59:54):
But continue with their story, so yeah, OJ OJ was
acquitted.
I mean, I think if you don'tknow the story.
Of that, then I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:01):
And the thing with that too, though, I mean, you
murdered two people, two people.
So and then you went on to dobad things.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:10):
Then you went on to write a goddamn book that is
titled If I Fucking Did It.
Yes.
And explain exactly how youwould have done it had you done
it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:24):
Yes.
And you broke into people'shouses to steal your own shit.
Like he obviously didn't need tobe on the street.
Yeah.
He need I don't say he murderedtwo people, so he should be in
jail.
But he needed help is what heneeded.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:42):
October 3rd, 2008, former NFL star O.J.
Simpson was found guilty ofcharges of kidnapping and armed
robbery.
He was in on the same exact dayin 2008.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:54):
He was like, oh shit, it's October 3rd.
I got shit to do.
Okay, so.
Moving on.
Are we moving on from OJ?
We're gonna move on from OJ.
All right, well, I'm not readyyet.
Okay, go ahead.
So I remember when it's a veryGen X story.
When when OJ was acquitted, Iwas working in the Christiana

(01:01:16):
mall at the Wild Pear ShoeStore.
One of my favorite jobs of alltime.
Um anyway, um the Foot Lockerhad TVs.
Yes.
And we didn't have social mediaback then.
You found out news on the TV asit happened.
So employees of the mall,customers, everybody was

(01:01:38):
jam-packed in this footlocker sothat we could watch the verdict.
I got goosebumps right now, justeven thinking about it, like it
was it was crazy.
And everybody was upset becausewe didn't understand CTE back
then, and everybody thought hewas guilty.
So yeah, it was I I I got theverdict in them all.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:00):
I was working and we had a bar next door um that we
frequented a lot.
Oh, so the the funniest partabout this bar was um we knew
the owners, obviously, becauseyou're right next door.
Um, blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, so when it was slow, meand the other cook would go sit

(01:02:22):
in the bar and drink, and thenthe waitress would call when we
would get a table, and then wewould just come over and cook.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:29):
To the genius system.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:30):
To the point where the guy that had the bar one of
the co-owners of the bar waslike, Why don't you just bring
that food over here and cook itover here?
Then you don't have to keepgoing back and forth.
Genius.
I know.
Um, so he called us and waslike, hey, they're about to
announce the verdict.
So we all like went, we were alllike, lock the doors, turn it on
the door.

(01:02:51):
We're heading next door.
And we went and stood there andwatched it.
Yeah.
Good old Casey's.
Yeah.
Yep.
So can we move on now?
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October 3rd, 1990.
I'm also not going to go onabout this because I am kind of,
but I'm not gonna because 1990.
1990.
There's a lot.
I mean, this is all thisdeserves a whole episode of its

(01:03:46):
own.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:46):
I was a senior in high school.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:48):
East and West Germany reunified.
A major post-cold war milestone.
German reunification, also knownas the expansion of the Federal
Republic of Germany, was theprocess of re-establishing
Germany as a single sovereignstate, which began in on
November 9th, 1989, andculminated on the 3rd of

(01:04:08):
October, 1990, with thedissolution of the German
Democratic Republic and theintegration of its
re-established constituentfederated states into the
Federal Republic of Germany.
The date was chosen as thecustomary German Unity Day and
has thereafter been celebratedeach year as a national holiday.
On the same date, East and WestBerlin were also reunified into

(01:04:32):
a single city, which eventuallybecame the capital of Germany.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:36):
I can say, like, they always ask you if you could
have dinner with anybody dead oralive or blah blah blah.
But if you if you could be atany event, yes, I would have
fucking loved to help tear downthat wall and just been in
there.
That had to have been you justwant to see David Hasselhoff.

(01:04:57):
Oh Lord David Hasselhoff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:00):
So it's so crazy to me.
Like the fact that people nowhave no idea that that ever even
happened.
Like we watched them tear down awall on TV.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:11):
I can I still have visuals in my head of the video
of people.
I mean, it looks like it looks,you know, people have
sledgehammers and literally itwas it was literally uh um I'm
not gonna be able to come upwith the words, but it was a
visual of independence.

(01:05:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:35):
Like that's a rare thing to get.
Because you know, on the oneside it was like it was just a
stark eastern block.
It's like Northern Korea.
Yeah.
And then the other side waspainted all up with graffiti,
and it was it was Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it was it was uh certainlysomething.

(01:05:58):
And you know, and you you know,you just bebop along in your
life now, and you don't thinkabout these things until you're
doing research for a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:07):
And I mean it's true, but it's funny how the
world really hasn't changed.
I was listening to NPR on theway down, and either yesterday
or today the Taliban cut theinternet to Afghanistan.
Um there were kids, uh teenagersintaking some sort of not state

(01:06:28):
testing, because that's what wecall it here, but whatever.
Um, and it went out halfwaythrough, and they said the boys
will have a opportunity to do itagain, but there are so few
schools that girls are allowedto study at there now that
they're that was it for them.
So they're not gonna get toretake this test.
And a lot of the females therethat are studying are um doing

(01:06:53):
it online because they're notallowed in schools over there.
Um, but they're cuttinginformation and just when you
think about like I don't evenknow.
I don't even feel like it's 2025means anything anymore.
Like this shit just there'salways something.
It's just it's it's the timesthat we are in currently.

(01:07:18):
I just I just wish the badpeople didn't always win.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:22):
I say that every goddamn day in my life.
When is it my turn?
Um on a lighter note, October3rd, if you know mean girls.
Um he asked me what day it was.
It's October 3rd.

unknown (01:07:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:40):
Oh yeah.
Um Wednesdays we wear pink.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:43):
I post that on social media every October 3rd.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:45):
Yes, so if you but what I wanted to do is um
because it's my fucking podcast,I can do what the fuck I want.
That's right.
Um, I wanted to read to yousomething from uh Mean Girls?
No.
Oh no.
D Snyder.com.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:06):
D Snyder.
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:07):
I'm gonna read it word for word.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:09):
Is that the lead singer of Twisted Sister?

unknown (01:08:11):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:11):
I'm gonna read it word for word.
All right for you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:14):
I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:15):
Um it has nothing to do with October 3rd.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:18):
But it's your fucking podcast.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:20):
And I can do what the fuck I want.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:22):
Yeah.
Even say fuck as much as shewants.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:27):
Yes.
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck,fuck, fuck.
Okay.
I went the wrong way.
Here we go.
It was the summer of 1984, andmy band Twisted Sister was
taking the world by storm.
With our angst-filled teenanthem, We're not gonna take it,
we were dominating music, radio,and television airwaves and
igniting the fire of rebellionin the hearts and minds of

(01:08:48):
American youth.
As we rode in our tour bus fromtown to town playing show after
show, little did we realize thata cultural guillotine awaited
us.
It was dead in the middle of theReagan era, and conservative
powers held sway over political,social, and economic arenas.
There was no place for a bunchof painted up, foul mouth
preening rockers, but as isusually the case, when

(01:09:09):
conservatism reigns, the artsleaned decidedly in the opposite
direction, hence the nicknameThe Decade of Decadence.
Loud and very proud, things werevery clearly headed for an
impasse.
The blowback came in asurprising form.
The Parents Music ResourceCenter, PRM PMRC, quite an
innocuous name for such asubversive-minded group, led by

(01:09:32):
the caricature-like spouses ofnotable Democratic and
Republican senators, it was hardto take these Stepford wives
seriously.
Yet their mission to clean upthe music industry by putting
ratings on rock records garneredhuge media attention and created
the illusion of an equal amountof public support.
Far from being the moralmajority, this a bullying

(01:09:55):
minority made a lot of noise.
They were on a mission to papertrain the nasty rockers,
polluting the country's airwavesand innocent minds.
By the summer of '85, the PMRC'scensorship symphony had reached
a crescendo, and it wasannounced that there would be an
illegal Senate hearing todiscuss the issue of porn rock.
They didn't call it illegal.

(01:10:16):
I did.
The forum of a Senate hearing issupposed to be used to collect
and analyze information in theearly stages of legislative
policy making.
As the committee chair, SenatorJohn Danforth, said in his
opening remarks, the reason forthis hearing is not to promote
any legislation.
Still, somehow the wives of somepretty prominent politicians
convince their husbands that anex exemption should be made.

(01:10:39):
One can only imagine in thepillow talk between Tipper and
Al Gore, or Susan and JamesBaker, that led the misuse of
public funds.
Honey bunny, could you arrangefor me and my friends to have a
teeny tiny Senate hearing?
The circus like hearings onseptember nineteenth were a
magnet for media outlets, andthe attention this farce
garnered was unprecedented.

(01:10:59):
No matter which side you stoodon, it seemed everyone, except
unfortunately most of the youngmusic fans actually affected by
this tragedy, travesty, wantedto watch this car wreck of
injustice.
Unbeknownst to the generalpublic and to the artists set to
testify, the RIAA, the musicindustry trade group lobbying

(01:11:20):
arm, had already made a sidedeal with the senators and the
PMRC agreeing to a voluntarymodified label, the now
legendary warning parentaladvisory, in place of the
Washington wives' demands formore content-specific labeling.
B for violence, sexual content,O for a cult.
This essentially negated anyeffort the unholy trinity of

(01:11:42):
Frank Zappa, John Benderer, andmyself invited there to speak on
behalf of the artist might makeand made our being there moot.
There was no way for us to win.
Yet I did welcome theopportunity to show the PMRC
that the Senate subcommittee howyou should not judge a book by
its heavy metal cover.
Their indignant reactions to my80s rock star look and their

(01:12:03):
drop jaws when I proceeded totake every one of their
arguments apart were priceless.
I urge you to watch it ascSPAN.org.
The raw hatred I saw in AlGore's eyes when I said Tipper
Gore had a dirty mind forinterpreting my song under the
blade as being aboutsadomasochism and bondage.
It was actually written about myguitarist throat operation.

(01:12:26):
Really should have vetted mebetter before allowing me to
speak.
Sadly, the aftermath of thisdebacle was even worse than I
feared.
Our First Amendmentconstitutional right to freedom
of speech has been eroded.
Yet the average record buyer wasapathetic.
The most typical comment aboutthe sticker was, now we know
which records to buy.
Um, while I wish the warningstickers became and have

(01:12:51):
continued to become soubiquitous that original
voluntary usage agreed upon hassince been replaced with
mandatory placement.
I remember when my bandWidowmaker was set to release
its first CD back in 1992, I wastold that due to its offensive
lyric contact, my record wouldhave the parental advisory on
it.
When I told my record companythat, since this was a voluntary

(01:13:12):
action, I did not want tovolunteer to have my album
stickered.
They curtly informed me I didn'thave a choice.
They stickered the records, andif I wanted my CD released, I
would have the warning on it.
To make matters worse, in aneffort to save time and money,
record companies had gone fromputting stickers on the CD to
actually incorporating thesticker onto the album art.
Yep.
I remember that.

(01:13:35):
Thirty years later, everythingand nothing has changed.
The ultra-conservatives stillwant to dictate to the masses
what they remember, this is DeeSnyder, not me.
Thirty years later, everythingand everything nothing has
changed.
The ultra-conservatives stillwant to dictate to the masses
what they deem acceptable forthe general public to see and

(01:13:55):
hear.
The record industry is a mereshadow of its former self at
punishment for its cowardice,and CDs and vinyl albums have
almost become novelties in aworld driven by downloads.
Yet the warning labels stilladorn individual track listings
and albums online.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:10):
It says explicit next to uh Spotify if the song
has a cuss word in it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:15):
Twisted Sisters, we're not gonna take it.
One of the PMRC's legendaryfilthy 15 has become a political
go-to song, a rock and jockanthem beloved by young and old
alike, and in an iconic twist,it was sung by a PMRC-like
women's organization at the EvilRocker played by Tom Cruise in
the movie Rock of Ages.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ.

(01:14:36):
While initially my appearance atthose Senate hearings was
damaging to my career andreputation, long term it was
beneficial, showing people forthe first time that I was much
more than a screaming, raggedyAnne on acid, and a fairly
intelligent, sentient, sentienthuman being.
Fortunately, I have gone on tobetter things.
My arch nemesis, Alan TipperGore, are long divorced.
While this October 23rd, my wifeSuzette and I will have

(01:14:59):
celebrated our 34th weddinganniversary.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:01):
Nice.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:02):
You're damn right I'm bragging.
I wasn't throwing stones attheir glasshouse, and I can
proudly say for the last 30years I have stood by, lived,
and represented every singlestatement and claim I made in my
speech that fateful Septemberday.
FYI, it was my son's thirdbirthday.
Let it be shown.
If the threat of governmentcensorship ever rears its ugly,
perfectly quaffed head again, Iam ready, willing, and able to

(01:15:25):
drag my shaggy mop back inbattle.
Dee Snyder continue continues tocreate, sing, act, right, and
his podcast, Snyder Comments,and weekly syndicated radio
show, House of Hair, can beheard nationally.
He lives in Las Vegas with hiswife, Suzette, in pro close
proximity to their four healthygrandchildren and their three
wonderful grandchildren.

(01:15:45):
And what I would like to say isum thank you to Pat for posting
that on social media the otherday, and that is what gave me
the idea to go look it up.
I also have one more thing tosay.
Okay.
And this is lyrics from acertain song.

(01:16:06):
Are you gonna sing it?

unknown (01:16:07):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:07):
Okay.
Can't I don't know if you canwell nobody listens to this, so
yeah.
This is America.
We have the right to say what wewant to say, we have the right
to do what we want to do, andwhat I do in my house, you might
not do in your house.
So what I do in my house is mybusiness.
And the simple fact of it all isthat we are bonded by the First
Amendment.
We have the freedom ofexpression, we have the freedom

(01:16:28):
of choice, and you Chinese,black, green, purple Jew, you
have the right to listen towhoever you want to, and even
the two live crew.
So all you right wingers, leftwingers, bigots, communists,
there is a place for you in thisworld because this is the land
of the free, the home of thebrave, and two live is what we
are.
Preach word.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:49):
So that was fucking amazing.
That's my speech.
That was great.
That was so great.
I didn't know that about DeeSchneider.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:59):
I I did, I knew that.
I knew he went testified inCongress and all that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:03):
I do know that a lot of those like hair band guys
from back then and even throughlike the 80s, 90s, 2000s are
extremely intelligent people.
Yes.
I mean, to be musical in yourbrain, you need to be pretty
smart.
So um I'd love to hear theadvocacy.

(01:17:24):
People please stop are pleasekeep speaking out.
Like it feels like one littlevoice, and we are at a
disadvantage.
Um, I was talking to my friendthe other night, and everybody
gets mad that one side, onepolitical side doesn't, you

(01:17:45):
know, play dirty against theother political side.
But part of what I love aboutthe side that I tend to agree
with is that they aren't dirtylike that, and they aren't going
to do all of those horriblethings that these other people
are doing.
But yeah, advocacy is a hugething.

(01:18:07):
I'm at a time in my life whereI'm trying to figure out like
what my purpose is now.
Like my kids are grown.
Um, I have my career set, I havethis amazing podcast on my BFF.
Um, but what do I want to do?
What do I want to, how do I wantto affect the world?
And and that's what's reallyimportant.
And D.
Snyder, even though maybe it hehis band took a hit, his musical

(01:18:31):
career took a hit, but he stoodup for something.
Um, and that's more valuablethan anything, I think.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:38):
Um, you have to support the other side of the
coin's right to their freespeech, whether you like it or
not.
Correct.
And just like I have alwayssaid, I will support the KKK for
walking down and having theirlittle parade and saying
whatever the fuck they want tosay, because this is America,
and you have and I can't takeyour freedom of speech away and

(01:19:01):
keep mine.
It goes both ways.
And if you don't like whatpeople are saying, change the
station.
Exactly.
You don't have to listen.
Exactly.
You don't have to listen.
Exactly.
But you do have to allow thesepeople to do it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:14):
And you do also have to advocate for the people who
get affected by um hatred, yeah,um, ignorance, racism.
I mean, those it will, you know,we need to take care of each
other, that's all.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:34):
And yeah, that was a fucking amazing.
Like, you just blew my mind.
I literally drove down heretoday, like I just want to take
a nap.
Like I was saying all day.
I wanted to take a nap.
Not that I didn't want to count,like, it is never a burden.
I'm never like, oh, I gottadrive down there and do the
podcast.
Like, never, ever, ever.
I'm like, oh, it's Tuesday, Iget to go record the podcast.
So, but I'm tired today.

(01:19:56):
Um, but you were pretty, prettyawesome today.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Must be the whole turning 51.
Yeah, it's like shh.
Tell anybody.
I tell my age all the time, andyou're younger than me, so.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:11):
Um, so there we're on the brink of a government
shutdown right now.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:15):
Um happening at midnight tonight.
I do not think it's not notgonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:19):
Anyway, um, you will get your mail.
Um, as you're hearing this, youprobably already know that you
will get any mail becausetechnically we are not federal
employees, we are also essentialemployees, and we will have to
work.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:29):
I will not be working tomorrow because I am
off, but and if you areconnected anyway with the
Department of Labor, we havealso been told this week we will
not be losing any we don't loseany funding because we're
already in the contract here.
So we have what we have.
Uh we have a great governorright now, as far as I can tell.
Um, he's putting a lot of moneyand effort and um legislation

(01:20:53):
into effect to support um peoplebeing able to work and support
themselves.
So um I'm gonna keep functioningas normal, but man, if people
lose their Medicaid and theirfood benefits and that I can't

(01:21:14):
even fathom.
I know what it is like livingpaycheck to paycheck and eating
Ritzcrackers and peanut butterfor dinner, but at least I
fucking have Ritzcrackers andpeanut butter for dinner.
Yep.
I mean, some of these peopleliterally have nothing and are
dependent on this and thisshutdown.
And guess the last time we had ashutdown, you know when that was
six years ago.

(01:21:34):
You know who was president?
So I'm pretty confident, and I'mnot confident in the Democratic
um leader that he is going to dowhat he needs to do to make sure
this doesn't happen.
But I hope by the time thiscomes out on Friday, this is all
resolved.
The people who need help aregetting the help that they need.

(01:21:56):
And yeah.
And two live is what we are.
Yeah, go listen to some two livecrew, exactly.
And one last shout out happybirthday to our Heather.
Thank you.
Happy birthday to my mommy, andhappy birthday to Patty, the
baddest ass on the planet.
Yeah, I fucking love me somepatty.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:18):
My mom is more of a Gen X than a boomer, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:20):
So your mom's just cool as fuck.
Like she's just go with theflow.
You need me to be hippie, I gotyou.
You need me to be grunge, I gotit.
You need me to be a mom, agrandma, a second mother, which
is what she's been to me mywhole life.
Um, a boss, uh anything.
She's there.

(01:22:41):
She's she's a pretty badassperson.
Yep.
So happy birthday, Patty.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:46):
Okay, thanks for listening.
Uh like, share, rate, review.
Please.
You can find us where you listento podcasts.
You can follow us on all thesocials at Leg Whatever Pod.
Um, you can send an email towhat your favorite two live
cruise song is.

(01:23:07):
Likewhateverpod at gmail.com ordon't like whatever.
Whatever.
Bye.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:16):
Oh, me so horny.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:17):
Oh, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:18):
Dude, when you said whatever your favorite is like
whatever.

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