Sincerely Yours, The Breakfast Club

What happens when two best friends dissect one of the most influential teen films ever made? As The Breakfast Club approaches its 40th anniversary, we're unpacking why this quintessential Gen X movie still resonates with audiences of all generations.

Through our own vastly different high school experiences – one as a popular student who "just got along with everybody" and one who felt like a perpetual outsider – we explore how John Hughes captured the universal teenage experience of being labeled and struggling to break free from those confining stereotypes. Can anyone really be reduced to just a brain, an athlete, a basket case, a princess, or a criminal? 

The conversation veers from hilarious personal stories (including an embarrassing high school "makeover" punishment that eerily mirrored Ally Sheedy's character transformation) to thoughtful analysis of the film's treatment of social hierarchies, identity, and authenticity. While acknowledging some problematic elements through a modern lens, we celebrate how The Breakfast Club validated the complex inner lives of teenagers at a time when few films took them seriously.

Whether you identify with Judd Nelson's rebellious criminal, Molly Ringwald's popular princess, or Ally Sheedy's eccentric basket case (or a combination of all three), this nostalgic deep dive will remind you why Monday morning might change everything – or nothing at all. Join us for this celebration of the film that dared to ask: beneath our carefully constructed facades, aren't we all just trying to figure out who we really are? #genx #90s #80s #johnhughs

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Two best friends.
We're talking the past, frommistakes to arcades.
We're having a blast.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Teenage dreams, neon screens.
It was all rad and no one knewme Like you know.
It's like whatever.
Together forever, we're neverdone, as ever Laughing and
sharing our stories.
Clever, we'll take you back.
It's like whatever.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for, by and
about Gen X.
I'm Nicole and this is my BFFF,heather.
Hello, how was your week?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I don't think I did anything.
No, because my back was stillhurting, so I didn't.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, Later I didn't doanything important that I can
even recall what I did this week, so it must not have been
important.
But what about you?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
I went to a wedding on Saturday.
Lovely it was lovely.
It was a little wedding, lovely.
It was lovely.
It was a little wedding.
A lady that I know through workand I went with a friend of
mine who is also friends withthis lady.
It was so sweet and just soquaint and it was in a little

(01:18):
church with all the glasswindows and all that stuff
stained glass windows, but itwas Episcopalian.
So I've never been to anEpiscopalian church with all the
glass windows and all thatstuff, stained glass windows,
but it was Episcopalian.
So I've never been to anEpiscopalian wedding.
Are they different?
Somehow they are.
So I grew up in the Methodistchurch.
Yes, and so this, first of all,this wedding was much longer.

(01:44):
The bride and groom spend a lotof time sitting down.
That doesn't seem fair.
I mean, it was like an hourlong and somebody said that was
a short one.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Oh, so it's like a Catholic wedding?
Yes, because they're likeforever.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
And apparently Episcopalians branched off from
Catholicism.
It's all the same crap, I know,because some of it was very
ritualistic they actually hadwafers and wine.
No yeah, no, no, thanks thereal ones.
So there was a female priest,so I don't think they called

(02:20):
them priestesses in the church.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I don't think they did.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
They did call her mother, though, which my friend
was raised Episcopalian.
She said that the Episcopalianchurch has always been pretty
open to female priests, but shehad never heard one be called
mother before.
That's kind of weird.
Yeah, but it is father.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Good point.
So I mean it does.
And the nuns are mother right.
Yeah, mother, good point so Imean, and when the nuns are
mother right, yeah, and sisterlike the because mother theresa
was a mother right, but then therest of them are sisters, I
don't know I, I can't evenpretend to know what I'm even
talking about here.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
But um, oh yeah, when they did communion she said um,
so when that point comes,there's this whole big prayer
that has to be said, and thenthe bride and groom come up
first and they kneel and theytake communion, and then you're
escorted up if people want to goup and take communion with them

(03:19):
.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
But the bride and groom have to.
She just made a really weirdface.
I just did my shot of fireballthe end and her eyes are
watering now, go on Anyway.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
But the bride and groom have to stay knelt while
everybody comes up and takescommunion.
So Do they get to wear kneepads?
Well, they were on a pillow,but Still yeah.
So you come up.
And she said you know, if youare a baptized Christian, you're
allowed to come up.
And first of all I was like Iam a baptized Christian, but

(03:54):
that is so judgmental to not letpeople come up because they're
not baptized.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
What if they want to take communion?
So anyway, I mean, why wouldyou want to?
It's gross.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Exactly.
What if they want to takecommunion?
So, anyway, I mean, why wouldyou want to?
It's gross, exactly.
And then she was like so, butif you don't want to take
communion?
Because after you takecommunion then they want you to
go over and lay your hands onthe husband and wife, like
whatever that is.
And then they, so they wantedeveryone to come up.
So she said that if you didn'twant to take communion, you

(04:24):
could do this, which I'mmotioning across my chest with
my arms, and then she would saya blessing on you, what if you
didn't want that either?
I know.
So I'm like in a panic in themiddle of the church, like what
am I going to do?
Because I was raised in thechurch, I have my reasons for
why I am no longer in the churchand I feel like I have a very

(04:45):
good understanding.
I left it as an adult, so Iknow what I'm doing.
So I know how to be polite.
I did all the gestures and Ieven accidentally said and also
with you once just because itjust falls off the tongue so
fast and easy.
But I don't pray, I don't sayamen, I don't do any of that.

(05:06):
But I'm respectful, I nod myhead and you know, um, I just
feel like it's blasphemous forme to stand there and do that
when I agree.
I don't believe it and I thinkit's more respectful for me to
not not do it.
That's how I feel, right, so um,so anyway, um, luckily it
starts and there are people thatare not going up and I'm like,

(05:26):
oh, thank God, that's an option.
So I just didn't go up.
So that was fine.
But yeah, it was very neat,though I'm always into those
kinds of things.
I love religion and I lovesymbolism and things like that
of it.
So it was very, very pretty I Iit was kind of neat being in

(05:48):
church again and like in a weirdway, um, but it was fun.
So, like this.
This was a older couple, Um so,um, their aunts.
There were three aunts thatwere there, their aunts.
There were three aunts thatwere there which were older

(06:09):
ladies, I would say I don't wantto say in case I get it wrong,
but anyway, they were called thefire aunts and they were all
dressed in red shiny dresses.
They chose their own and theyall had little red tiaras and
instead of like flower.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Mental note to my niece and nephew I wish to be
called fire ant from now on.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yes, and instead of a flower girl, the fire ants came
up the aisle and handed outfireballs to everybody.
It was really, really cute.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I don't want to go that far, but I do wish to be
called fire ant Dress all in red.
I don't know about that either.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
All right, you could go get that red wedding dress
that you tried on.
Did I try a red one on?
Oh, I have a picture.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I thought it was pink .
I don't think I had a red oneon.
I'm pretty sure it was red Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I'll check later, okay, but anyway, yeah, and then
.
So that was that Lovely, lovelyreception.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Super cute.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, lots of really sweet, sweet moments.
I really really like this lady.
She's just one of the kindestpeople you'll ever meet and she
just grinned ear to ear all day.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
So it was fun, nice.
Yeah, I hate weddings.
Yeah, I know you do.
I don't like getting dressed up.
I don't like going to a church.
I think your daughter was thelast time I went to a wedding.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
At least I wasn't in a church it was not, thankfully.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I mean, I don't know.
I've been to Catholic weddings.
My godson is Catholic and hiswife is Catholic Very.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Italian Catholic.
Italian Catholic, very yes,italian Catholic.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Italian Catholic.
Yes, so that's it, guys.
That's it, we're done.
Bye See ya.
Well, it was not a good weekfor me because I didn't do
anything, so I don't work.
We'll just say work, the postoffice is plenty.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
So, while you have it , huh, while you have it anyway,
that's what I said Don't tellElon.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Anyway.
So today I gave Nicole homeworkand so I'm giving all of you
homework.
Stop right now.
If you haven't watched theBreakfast Club in a while, go
watch it and then come back.
Okay, we'll give you a minute.
So let's fuck around and findout about the Breakfast Club.

(08:40):
My sources are imbdcom andscreenrantcom and there's a
couple other ones that arelisted down further.
Okay, amongst the they werelike magazines and stuff, so I'm
gonna start with just a generaloverview.
Real quick synopsis.
Um, y'all should remember thebreakfast club.

(09:00):
I mean, your gen x is probablylike one of the most Gen X
movies.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
It really is like I had.
I know I've seen it, but it Ibarely remembered any of it and
I literally finished watching itright before she got here today
.
I gave her this homework fivedays ago.
I am a master procrastinator.
I do my best work at the lastminute, so now it's all super
fresh in my head.
But yeah, getting back to whatyou were saying, so, gen X, I

(09:31):
was like holy shit, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Like yeah, because it said 85.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
You probably just hit the wrong key, maybe.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Maybe I'm just a liar , I don't know, but it's been 40
years.
Five students at Shermer HighSchool in Shermer, illinois
reported for an all-daydetention socially awkward brian
johnson, anthony michael hall,jock andrew clark, emilio
estevez shy, loner, allisonreynolds, ali sheedy, popular
girl claire standish, mollyringwald and rebellious

(10:12):
delinquent john bender, juddnelson, uh.
They gather in the schoollibrary and meet with their vice
principal, richard vernon, whowarns them not to talk or move
from their seats and assignseach of them the task of writing
a thousand-word essaydescribing who you think you are
.
Who do you think you are?
Bender ignores the rules andspends this time antagonizing

(10:33):
the other and defying Vernon,who gives him eight additional
weekends of detention.
The students sneak off toretrieve Bender's marijuana
stash from his locker.
When they see Vernon returningto the library, bender
deliberately gets caught toallow the others to sneak back
in, locked in a storage closetas punishment.
Bender is berated by vernoneven further, who tells him that
he wants bender to prove howtough he is, and is offered a

(10:54):
chance to punch vernon, butfails to act.
He soon escapes into theceiling panels and falls into
the library where the others arethe students.
Students pass the time arguing,listening to music smoking pot,
gradually opening up about theirhome lives and their reasons
for being in detention.
Despite their differences, thestudents realize they all face

(11:16):
similar problems.
Andrew and Allison bond overtheir complex relationships with
their parents.
Brian and Claire each feelanxiety over being a virgin.
Still, the group suspects thattheir new friendship will end
once detention is over.
Meanwhile, vernon complains tothe janitor, carl, that students
have become less disciplinedand more arrogant compared to
the ones he had when he was ateacher.

(11:36):
But Carl suggests that Vernonis the one who has changed and
cares too much about what thestudents think of him.
The others convince Brian tocomplete Vernon's essay on the
group's behalf.
Claire gives Allison a makeoverwhich sparks romantic interest
from Andrew, and Bender crawlsback to the closet where Claire
challenges her pristinereputation by kissing him.

(11:56):
As the students part ways.
Allison and Andrew kiss and sherips the state championship
patch off his letterman jacketto keep.
Claire gives Bender one of herdiamond earrings and they share
their own kiss.
Vernon reads Brian's essay,which asserts that the vice
principal has made pettyassumptions about all of them,
and Bender walks home across theschool's football field and

(12:17):
raises his fist triumphantly ashe leaves.
So in February, the film debutedat number three at the box
office, behind Beverly Hills Copand Witness, grossing $45
million domestically and $51million worldwide.
The film was a box officesuccess given its $1 million

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budget.
At first, hughes was turneddown by Universal who couldn't
see the appeal of thestripped-down brutal honesty of
the characters.
I'll get to the fun facts in aminute, but what I wanted to do
also, so here we go.
So what they reveal is Claire'spopularity subjects her to

(13:01):
intense peer pressure, while herbickering parents use her
against each other.
She receives detention forskipping school to go shopping.
Bender reveals the physicalabuse he and his mother suffer
at the hands of his father,including cigar burns, as well
as other injuries he hassustained from his father
physically abusing him.
He is serving detention forpulling a false fire alarm.

(13:21):
Andrew becomes influenced byjock culture and is intimidated
by his father to succeed inwrestling.
He was given detention fortaping a student's butt together
in an attempt to win both histeammate and his father's
approval.
Brian is under so much academicpressure from his parents to
get good grades that hecontemplates suicide.
After getting an F in shotclass, he was sent to detention

(13:42):
for bringing a flare gun toschool.
Allison is compulsivelydishonest, with neglectful
parents consistently stealingthings to use, should she ever
run away from home.
She admits that she showed upto detention for lack of
anything better to do so what Ithought we would do with this

(14:11):
episode is Nicole and I had verydifferent experiences in high
school.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I of course identify with the Ally Shewald character,
except I was not a princess,right, I was fairly popular, I
just got along with everybody.
I wouldn't say I was popular, Ijust got along with everyone,
right everyone right um and Iwas smart and in all the clubs

(14:54):
and um tried to do the rightthing and I participated in
nothing I wanted out of highschool.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Super bad, it was a um, it was not a good time for
me.
Well, I mean, I think maybelike my, the Ally Sheedy
character and the AnthonyMichael Hall probably a
combination of those Because,surprise, I've always been
suicidal.
It's funny because one of my,one of the people in my high

(15:23):
school, did our senior year.
He was big into making playsand stuff like that, so he did
like a short.
I'm not sure if it was like ashort story or if it was meant
to be like a play.
It was a short story.
We'll go with that.
And the only thing I reallyremember from it I don't
remember what anybody.
I only graduated with 20fucking people, so you'd think

(15:53):
I'd be able to remember what all20 of them were doing.
But, um, mine was that I would,in my um, after I left high
school and grew up and was agrown-up, would run the suicide
hotline.
Yeah, if that tells youanything about who I was in high
school, not, a whole lot haschanged.
Oh my, yeah.
So I think the main reason Ireally identify with the Ally
Sheedy Karen A I'm weird and Bwe listen to the same music and

(16:18):
I never felt like I fit inanywhere until I was like 16.
And I met our mutual friend andshe started taking me to
rehoboth and we started hangingout with the, the gay kids and
the, the goth kids and stuff.
Then I really felt like seen,but up until then I did.
I mean I know it's stupid tosay and, as an older sibling,

(16:42):
once that baby comes along, you,especially when you're the
oldest of everything, the firstgrandchild, the first niece, the
first everything, and then yougo five years of being that and
then one day you're not anymoreand no one gives a shit what you
do anymore.
I mean I literally ran rampantaround the town with no.

(17:06):
Nobody to this day has any ideawhere I even was.
So Right.
And then, as I got older, Ijust we were always poorer than
everybody else in school becausethey were all business owners
and you know, the wealthiest ofthe wealthy in our small.
They were very big fish andvery small pond.
So I could never keep up withthat.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
We never could keep up with that, so I gave up on
being cool yeah, I did haveissues with that too, like my
mom wouldn't buy me name brandstuff I had a pair of jams in
like sixth grade.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I had a pair of jimmy z's, and the other problem too
was I was always heavier, sotrying to fit into those clothes
, because I don't know if youremember the 80s, but the 80s
was not kind to plus size at allso, especially because I think
all that stuff was menswear too,and I'm not built to wear

(18:02):
menswear I got a big, big oldass.
I got big old hips and.
I got size for days.
I just couldn't fit into men'sstuff.
So, there was no way I was goingto be trendy.
So then I learned that thecolor black lets you blend in.
I have not turned around sincethen.

(18:22):
Currently, I'm decked to thenines in black today.
Today so yeah, my high schoolexperience was not the best
until I left, and I did not goback.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, I loved high school.
I had great friends All peoplethat I still consider friends
that well, a lot because ofsocial media, yeah, but we also
are just like a really greateclectic group, like we all.
Just I don't know, it's neat.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Well, it's funny because when Facebook came
around and you know, you startfinding everybody from high
school and I started friending alot of people that I went to
high school with just I don'thave any idea why, but but well,
some of them I like kind ofwanted to be friends with, but I
never was, just because I justI am not good at making other
people have to make friends forme.
Yes, so, yes, um, I've gottenbetter at that, by the way you

(19:24):
have.
So it was funny because when Istarted with Facebook and I
started becoming friends withthese people on Facebook, a lot
of the people that probablywould have been friends with me
in high school were like, ohshit, I didn't even know you
were into that, like you couldhave, like especially the Star
Trek, I think the Star Trekthing like none of them knew I

(19:53):
was a nerd, none of them.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
They just were blown away, I think one time I posted
about the kobayashi maru andthey were like I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I was like, yeah, watched every episode.
I don't, so I you know, I thinkI think that was.
I think things would haveprobably been better if I had
just been a little more openwell plus, I really like
spending time by myself that'sthe other problem.
Like I really don't like people.

(20:18):
I know it's really hard, yeah,especially at my job these days
it's exhausting from having tospeak to people all day long,
like not my co-workers.
I like my co-workers, but likestrangers on the street.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
It's just like I don't that sounds horrible when
you tell me people come up tothe mail truck or like come out
to talk to you.
Oh, my god, today, and if Ihave to say like.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Do you know how many times you have to talk about the
goddamn weather in a day?
Oh my God, that's all.
Because that's all people do issmall talk, and so you hear the
same fucking thing over andover.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
That's why I avoid people in public.
It's not because I'm likescared to see someone.
It's I hate small talk.
It's oh, how are you how so?
And so Blah, blah, blah.
The weather's pretty crazytoday, yeah, crazy weather.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's going to be much warmer tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
How about this wind?
And it's like?
I know?
I've heard this 46 times today.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
There's only so many different ways and then so then
you just get down to like aalmost a script that you say
every day, yeah, this is thesame people and you know
whatever.
So that's, I think, why I.
I think I'm more of a mix oflike um, the anthony michael
hall and the ali sheedycharacters I could see that and,
of course, judd nelson I alwayshad a crush on judd nelson so

(21:40):
you know, there's no surprisethere, yeah I like, I like the
bad boys.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
He was very cute.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yes, I like the skater boys.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Skater boys and Emilio Estevez is just so funny
Like the 80s dancing in thatmovie, like was when they're
running down the halls andflinging their arms.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
When Molly Ringwald does the dance.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yes, at the top of the stairs.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Molly Ringwald does the dance yes.
That's so the top of the stairs.
Like when you thinkquintessential 80s dance First
of all.
When you think quintessential80s, you think Molly Ringwald,
yes, period.
Like she is the queen of the80s.
That is true, like you, justanyway.
And her doing that dance wasjust everything.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, what is it with the musical montages?

Speaker 2 (22:24):
in the 80s movies.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I don't know like it's so fun.
They're playing the same songand all these completely
different kids are just runningdown the hall doing these dances
.
But it was like that in everyfucking movie like they all had
it.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Apparently we like to dance in the 80s.
Well, yeah, I mean we, we hadall those dance shows on TV.
Yes, like American Bandstandand it was illegal.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
in Footloose it was illegal in Footloose.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Fun fact, it was also illegal in.
Fenwick for a little while.
Wow, yeah, no, dancing inpublic, it was weird, it was a
giant joke amongst everyone.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
By the way, footloose is a really awesome movie too.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
It's okay, it's not one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
It's one of my favorites.
I just watched it not that longago and I'm a huge John Lithgow
fan, so that helps too.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I don't know.
I don't know what it is aboutFootloose, that's too much
dancing.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
It is super cheesy.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I think that I don't know.
Well, it's too much.
It is super cheesy, it's?
I think that I don't know.
I like it, you do like cheesy,I do like cheesy.
I'll tell you what my favorite,all-time hands down favorite
80s movie of all time is fuckingpretty in pink.
I can watch pretty in pinkevery day forever.
I love ducky, number one,number one.
I love ducky and number twowhen she makes that.

(23:45):
I wanted to make a dress so badI cannot sew for shit.
I have tried numerous times.
I can make a pillow and that isthe extent of my sewing ability
but man, I wanted to make Ijust I.
I know everybody else jokesabout how horrible her dress.
I fucking love that dress.
I love the little thing on herneck.

(24:05):
I just loved it.
I really like Molly Ringwaldnumber one.
I couldn't tell.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I do, I love, I love, I don't know and it's I love.
I don't know what it is, Idon't know if it was like a,
because she was always thepopular girl, but in Pretty, in
Pink, she's weird oh, that'swhat I wanted to say earlier is
that while I mostly related tothe Molly Ringwald character, my
favorite character was the AllySheedy character, which is

(24:32):
funny because you're my bestfriend.
So, she was actually the one Iliked better.
I thought Molly was a littleobnoxious sometimes.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well, you know, that's Right and she was
supposed to be yeah, that's thewhole Because she was John
Hughes' muse.
Most of his movies are becauseof her, like she.
Yeah, he said it many timesthat Molly Ringwald was who he
made movies for it's.
I don't know the, the EmilioEstevez.

(25:08):
I know people like Emilio, Iknow that person and they're all
the same and you know there'ssomething behind it.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
It's usually an asshole dad.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, and if it's a female version of that, it's an
asshole mom who wanted to be inbeauty pageants and never could.
Wanted to be a cheerleader.
Wanted to be a cheerleader.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Wanted to be a cheerleader and never could.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
It's the same person.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I always think that when I see athletes they talk
about how great they are,especially high school age, some
college kids.
And I'm like man, I hope thatkid's enjoying what he's doing.
If he's enjoying it, that'sfine.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
But my, my niece, is an athlete.
Um how, I have no idea, becausenone of the rest of us are.
I mean, my dad kind of is, buthe thinks he is, but I mean he's
definitely the most in shape ofany of us at 70, however old he
is he could whip all of ourexcept for her all of our asses
but she's a competitive gymnastum oh, I did.

(26:13):
I did go to her one of her.
That was a week before, nevermind, that was a week before.
Um, she is extremelycompetitive.
None of the rest of us are Ireally, I really none of us
really know where she came from,right?
Um, if she didn't look like mysister, we would really think
that she doesn't belong to us.
No, I take that back.

(26:34):
My niece is the perfectcombination of Ally Sheedy and
Emilio Estevez.
The kid is fucking weird, juststraight out weird.
I got her, I commissioned, Igave it to her last weekend.
It was the best I commissioned.

(27:01):
You can get a taxidermy mouseand have it made however you
want it.
So I commissioned it in hergymnastics leotard and it's on
the floor like a floor mat and Iwas so excited about it and my
sister was like that's thefucking grossest thing I've ever
seen, which is weird becausethey have deer heads in their
house, right and mybrother-in-law was like that's
kind of creepy.
And I don't know if it's justbecause you dressed it up, I

(27:22):
don't know, but I have one.
Well, at least the whole body'sthere, it's not just a head,
right.
I'm just doing something.
Um, I have one that has likeglasses on it's reading a
newspaper and I named itarchibald.
So I was like I'm gonna get herthis.
And I kept texting my sister.
I'd already paid for it and itwas coming, so it really didn't
matter what she thought.
But I was like well, do youthink she's gonna like it?

(27:45):
And she was like I mean, Iguess I don't know, I don't know
, I don't know.
So I hadn't heard from her.
Um, I didn't see her get itbecause she had, it was after
her meet and she was going tobowling with her team or
whatever.
And um, so the next day Ihadn't heard from her and I was
like I texted my sister and Iwas like did she not like that?
Or she was like she didn't, shedidn't text you.
And I was like no, and she waslike god damn it.

(28:06):
She was like she loved it andthen she sent back I mean, she
capital L-O-V-E-D it.
I was like I knew it Kid's aweirdo, but she's her driving
force.
She's her own.
Like my sister punishes her bytaking her away from her
gymnastics, like that's herpunishment.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Right, and that's what I mean is like she loves it
, like eats, yeah, and so I'mgood with that, like that's her
passion.
She broke her.
I wish I would have ever feltlike I know that about anything
she broke her elbow and had tohave.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
She broke it like three or four times and she had
to have surgery on it because,um, obviously, gymnastics
stopped you from growing and umso she's small um, so she broke
her elbow.
She had to have surgery.
None of you care, but I'm justgonna tell you she had a this is
.
This is the kind of bitch thatshe is.
She broke her elbow.
She had to have surgery.
She had to take some, a lot oftime off.

(29:03):
She was very upset.
She worked the entire time toget herself back in.
She had a competition um, andshe wasn't allowed to do the
vault the.
The doctor said that's.
The only thing she couldn't dois because it put too much
pressure on her elbow.
And so her first competitionback.
She did not do it, and the wayyou forfeit is you walk you know

(29:23):
how they run, and then they sitand then they hit the vault.
So when you forfeit you walkdown there and you touch the
vault and you do it twice andthat's forfeiting.
So she forfeited the firstcompetition and then she came
home and she was upset becauseyou know your overall score is
all four events together and shehas to have a trophy or she's

(29:44):
gonna die, I guess I don't knowum, she's very upset.
She told my sister what happensif I just do it.
My sister was like do not, donot do it.
So her next competition shegoes down, touches the vault,
walks back up and then just runsand does it and scored a 9.3 so

(30:04):
my sister was like what am Isupposed to do?
Yeah, what am I supposed to doExactly?
She's 16.
What?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
am I going to do?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
So anyway that's.
I guess you can mix two thingsat once.
She wants to be now, she wantsto do forensics in the FBI.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
I could see that Mm-hmm.
So yeah, yeah, so that doesmake sense that she would be so,
with amelia west of us and alisheedy kissing at the end,
that's her.
I felt like that was a littlebit far-fetched, but now it
makes perfect sense.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I always thought it was perfect, and let's also
start.
Let's yes, we talked about thisbefore the whole makeover of
ali sheedy terrible, it washorrible she was so much
prettier before molly ringwalddid her makeup.
I don't know if I put it inhere or not.
Um one of the fun facts I thinkit was she hated that.
She did not want to do that.
She thought it was a terribleidea.

(31:03):
She didn't like it was shedidn't like the message it sent.
She, they said the whole pointof it was that he could see her
Like she wasn't hiding, but shewasn't being herself either.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
She actually was hiding when she put that on,
because that wasn't who she was.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
That is exactly what I'm trying to say.
Look, I can put on regularclothes.
I can not wear skulls.
I wear skulls all the time Ican put on.
I do like pink.
I can not wear skulls.
I wear skulls all the time Ican put on, I do like pink.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Pink is my second favorite color, but I can wear
like baby pink or like baby blueor I can wear all these things.
I feel so uncomfortable in myown skin when I wear that shit,
like I feel like I'm standingout like a sore thumb.
But when I have crazy asscolored hair and I'm wearing all

(31:58):
black or I have skulls all overme or you know I'm I don't feel
like I'm staying.
Obviously I probably stand outmore when I'm wearing all that.
But I mean, I used to wear thechains and all of it and I never
felt like I stood out.
And then, as soon as you put mein like a regular people stuff,
I feel like I'm like soself-conscious and I feel like I

(32:21):
can't breathe Because it's notwho you are.
It's not Right.
My senior year we had thishorrible thing at school they
don't do it anymore, god butseniors got auctioned off and
you had to be a slave for a day.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Wow, private school yeah, so you had to be the slave
for the day and everything wentto um the prom.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
No, I don't actually have any idea where that money
went, to be honest.
Anyway, the lower grades could,could buy you, and then you had
, like they would make you washtheir cars and carry their books
all day, and it was like a bigthing because then, you know,
the freshmen could buy a senior,and were they?

Speaker 1 (33:07):
allowed to whip you no and rape the women?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I don't think so.
I don't know.
I didn't really read the rules.
I was bought um by my friend.
No, I was bought.
I was sadly bought by one of myteachers, because that's how
sad I didn't have any friends.
She was like nobody's gonna buyher but what they did to me was

(33:31):
probably the most like.
I would have rather have washedyour car or I don't know, stood
by you while you ate Literallyanything than what they actually
did to me that day.
I have never been morehumiliated, and I know it's
going to sound stupid and weird,but they had my, the girl that
I spent summers with, that hadthe restaurant down the street.

(33:52):
She was very girly and she wentto church every Sunday.
They were very religious, sothey had her bring and it was
like the most floral dress ever.
It was like a fit and flare,like with the v in the front,

(34:14):
like your typical, like churchgoing dress, like with just
flowers all over it.
They curled my hair, they putmakeup on me and that was my
only punishment and thatcouldn't have been worse, like
that was literally the worstpunishment you could have done
to me.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
oh my god, it was literally the ali sheedy thing
yes, a hundred percent was theythey did my hair.
I wonder if they feel bad aboutthat now I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I'd have to ask them because that's horrible.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
It's telling you like yeah, we think you look
ridiculous and you look reallypretty if you do this.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah and I wore a fucking uniform.
So it's not like I even wore my.
I mean I did because, right,you wore your dog.
I did.
I stretched the rules a littlebit um and I had shaved.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I shaved my head and um and they were too scared of
you to tell you not to dyed itblack.
There's rules now.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Um so yeah, that's, and it was humiliating now that
actually, now that you say thatis exactly what they did and it
was humiliating.
Actually, now that you say thatit's exactly what they did and
it was humiliating.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, it was awful.
That's horrible.
Yeah, absolutely horrible.
Yeah, it did not soundridiculous, that was nuts.
What is wrong with people?
I don't know.
Because, I was watching, when Iwas watching the Breakfast Club
and that teacher and I was likeshoo, this shit wouldn't fly
today.
But I was like man, were theyreally that mean to us?

(35:35):
And I was like, yeah, yeah,they were.
Yeah, they actually were yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I had a teacher again .
Well, I don't know what it waslike in public school.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I don't know if they could touch you at that point.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
We had to.
Well, they were still allowedto beat you.
Yeah, yeah, we had a teacherthat threw chalk at your head
all the time.
Pretty, sure that they werephysical yeah, and he picked up
one kid in his desk, desk andall, and threw him out into the
hallway.
So yeah, that corporalpunishment was alive and well oh
yeah, um, and you know I guessa lot of it.

(36:17):
You look back and you say, well, I mean, was it really that
clicky?
And because you know at thenear the end of the movie that
they talk about, well, what'sgoing to happen on monday?
Right, and that's exactly whatI mean.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
And I love that conversation Like it was real
and people don't do that.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's exactly what was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
They were going to go right back to where they were
because they were not ever goingto be friends.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
It wasn't going to happen.
Nope, nope.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
But the fact that they identified it, I thought.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
And said they felt shitty about it.
But that was just the way it isRight Because you know.
Then there's I don't know whatit's like today with online
bullying.
I imagine it.
You know I have mixed feelingsabout that, but that is what
would happen then, you wouldpretend to be friends and then

(37:09):
that would be it.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I feel like those things happened in like little
small pockets.
Here and there You'd be in thesame place with somebody,
whether it was something becauseyour parents were together, or
a church or I don't know, justanything random where maybe you
hung out and you had a good timetogether.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
But then the next day it was like it never happened,
right.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like I was in that situation at
some point, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I don't think I ever was.
Maybe I don't think so, though,mostly because I avoided the
people I went to school withlike the fucking plague.
Avoided the people I went toschool with, like the fucking
plague.
Yeah, I mean when I, um, when Istarted driving unmade friends
outside of school, I didn't everturn back.
So, um, I mean before that,like we would go to the movies

(38:02):
all the time and you know, Idon't know, I had crushes on the
boys and they did not, becauseI wasn't the popular girl.
You know, the popular girlswould invite me to sleepovers
just to be mean.
And then I just stopped going,of course, because A, they had

(38:24):
weird things for dinner.
And I'm not down with that Likewhy the one time I I went, they
had tuna fucking casserole.
Who first of all makes teenagegirls fucking tuna casserole?
I love tuna casserole.
Okay, you're nuts.
They sat that shit down infront of me and I was like hold

(38:46):
on, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean that is a weird thing if your daughter's
having friends over to make.
Hold on.
What the fuck is that?
I mean that is a weird thing ifyour daughter's having friends
over to make.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Right, like you order pizza.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, but Janet made it and I loved it.
You're weird, I love tunathough.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I mean, I like tuna also, but I don't want things
mixed.
I don't like my things mixing.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I'm not a casserole person as a general rule um, and
I haven't had tuna casserole inprobably 25 years.
It's warm it's warm tuna butI'm not a casserole fan because
I like to taste each food like Idon't want it all put in a big
pile together and cook togetherlook, tuna casserole is weird.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Okay, I like fresh tuna warm.
I put my life on the linesometimes to eat fresh tuna, um,
but I don't want it mixed inwith pasta peas oh no, no.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
And the brown bread crumbs on top, oh no, no, no no
no, yeah, seriously, I haven'thad that stuff in forever, but I
would eat.
I would eat it like if somebodybrought in here right now, I'd
totally eat it you'd be on yourown and I would have to hold my
nose because that smellsterrible because I know that we
just ate right before we came onhere, but cheese steaks, yeah,
they were delicious cheese,steak sandwiches and fries,

(40:07):
because my doctor doubled mythyroid medicine and my
metabolism runs five millionmiles a minute.
She was very hangry, so angryand now I'm getting hungry again
.
It's only like an hour since weate, that's true oh well, it's
so annoying yeah, it all lastslong, true, and we have cake for
over, oh yeah we have cake wegotta go, guys.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
We have cake?
Um, back to the break.
Let's eat breakfast?
Um.
Of course, now when you watchit back, it is slightly
problematic a little bit, but Ifeel like most of those movies
are, and I know that the kidstoday want to cancel all that
shit because most of it'sproblematic.
It was a different time and youknow I get it.

(40:52):
But I have a real issue withtrying to erase what has
happened in the past.
When you don't allow thingslike Huckleberry Finn and how

(41:14):
things were in the 80s and 90sand like that, then you forget
where we, how far we've come,how far we've come and how much
further we have to go.
Right, but like that happened,mm-hmm, but like that happened
and we should acknowledge thatthat happened, that in movies we
call people slurs and in moviesit was no big deal and it's not

(41:38):
cool.
But if you erase all that, thenyou're bound to repeat it.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Right, well, my favorite, one of my favorite
sayings is Maya Angelou, andI'll probably chop it up but
basically, do the best you canuntil you know better, and then
do better, and that's what Ifeel like we did.
You know, we learned that it'snot okay to call somebody a fag,
yeah, especially in a movie.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
So, um, so we don't do that anymore well, and I
think it's the other thing aboutit is like, especially in this
kind of a movie, the other partthat's problematic.
I'll get to it, which I thinkwas completely unnecessary, but
I think that part of it is.
I think that just shows you howdifficult it is.

(42:26):
When they say what happens onMonday is when they say what
happens on Monday because of allthat.
It would be very difficultbecause of the societal
pressures surrounding everybody.
And now we're all grown up andwe can be like, oh, fuck that
and fuck this and you know whocares.
But back then you did care.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yep, and let's be perfectly honest, kids are still
getting called fag in schoolright now.
So let's not act like ithappened in the 80s and it
doesn't happen anymore.
We just have learned that wedon't put it in movies anymore,
right, so at least not in thatway.
I mean, it still goes intomovies if it's relevant to the
plot, like I remember when Iwatched Pose, the series.

(43:09):
Did you ever watch that on FX?
No, it has Billy Porter, yes init.
Excellent, if you're everlooking for something to watch.
I keep forgetting about that.
It is so good, like I was justthinking about going back and
watching it again because it isso good, and so, of course,
slurs like that are used in thatshow because it's relevant to

(43:29):
the content of the show.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Right, well, I think that's just it with this.
I feel like it is relevant tothe content.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
It is because that's what high schoolers call each
other that is what that is youwere.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
the boys were especially afraid of being.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, cast as gay.
I even noticed at the end whenJudd Nelson's character takes
the ring from molly ringwald, itgoes into the left ear.
Yes, because if you wore one inyour right ear back, then you
were gay.
You were gay and I don't evenknow where that ever came from
and I wonder when the switchhappened.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
You know when the switch happened in the 90s, when
it was a rebellious thing thatboys got both their ears pierced
that was, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Speaking of the 90s, I have to tell you this funny
story about a friend and boyswith piercings.
So we had a friend, used tohave a friend, and he told us
once that he got his bellybutton pierced in the 90s and,
oh my god, we fucking diedlaughing and he's like what?
It was a thing.
Back then we were like no, no,dudes did.

(44:27):
We were like it was never okayfor guys to get belly button
piercings.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Nicole made me get my nose pierced.
It hurt like a.
That's why I still wear thedamn thing, because it hurts so
fucking bad.
Then it didn't even hurt thatbad, it hurt a lot.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I didn't get mine done until like 10 years ago,
but it didn't hurt that bad.
It hurt that bad.
I got my belly button done whenI was 19 and I still have the
same ring in it I do, I do havemy belly button.
I don't think I can get it offlike I've tried just for shits
and giggles, just to like trydid you have it through?
all three kids.
Oh yeah, every time, everypregnancy, they'd be like you're

(45:03):
gonna have to take that outeventually.
I was like, okay, I will, andthen I didn't.
So I always waited for it toshoot across the room.
It never did.
But yeah, I have tried, justfor fun to see, and I don't
think well, you probably rustedshut at this point.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
You had your eyebrow pierced too I I didn't like.
I'm not a fan of piercings yeahthey hurt a lot.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
They do hurt a lot, and I don't like it like I have.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
I want them because I have.
I don't like it Like I have.
I want them because I have.
I don't want facial period Likemy nose is.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I wouldn't mind getting the other side of my
nose Eyebrow was a regret.
Yeah, that one was and I stillhave a scar from it.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I don't like the lip piercings, I don't like the
cheek piercing.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I mean, it's fine for other people but I don
constantly like what am Isupposed to do?

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I never was a fan of the facial piercings, mostly
because it hurts for like monthsit does.
And a tattoo hurts for like thetime you're getting it done and
then maybe the next day, andthen that is it yeah, yeah and
it's then.
It's there forever.
It doesn't fling across theroom.
It's there forever, except forthese on my finger.
I keep losing those.

(46:19):
But, um, so I I didn't notice,and so now I get my ears pierced
because they stay and theydon't hurt as bad, but it does.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I mean, I don't know, I don't it's funny too, because
I'm terrified of needles likeif I have to have blood drawn or
get a shot.
I like I turn my head andsqueeze my eyes shut so tight
like I'm gonna accidentally seeit out of the back of my head I
don't like getting shots, butlike having my blood drawn.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I like having my blood drawn because I like to
watch it.
Um, but I'm not a big fan oflike the thought of getting a
shot, just and, of course, everytime you say that you're like,
oh well, you're covered in.
It's not the same fucking thing, it isn't.
It's more like a piercing yeah,yes, it's different.
I don't like it.
I digress yeah, back to themovie.

(47:14):
I did have some fun facts, ornot so fun facts.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Just facts.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, okay, stuff.
According to casting directorJackie Birch, the original
script went under the name theLunch Bunch.
Oh, I'm glad they changed it.
That's, according to theHuffington Post, thanks to the
son of one of Hughes' friendswho attended North Trier High
School in Northfield, illinois.

(47:39):
The name was changed sometimebecause the students and staff
there had created the designatedbreakfast club for early
detentions.
Hughes, having attended schoolin Illinois, gravitated towards
the newer title, also a muchbetter title than the lunch one.
Yes, it's weird, terrible.

(47:59):
New Trier would also play aprominent role in many other 80s
teen dramas, serving as ashooting location for 16 Candles
, ferris.
Bueller's Day Off and WeirdScience is Bueller's Day Off and
Weird Science.
In the spring of 85, new Yorkmagazine David Blum was asked to
follow rising star EmilioEstevez for a profile.
The article was supposed tofocus on Estevez's career, but

(48:22):
it gave birth to a new nickname.
After Blum witnessed Esteveztrying to get a free ticket to
an 8 pm screening of Lady Hawk,he observed a sense of
entitlement in the young actor.
Blum would later observe thatthe same attitude in many other
young stars, coining the termthe Brat Pack.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Although Blum's umbrella term became synonymous
with the group that includedmembers such as Estavez, rob
Lowe, judd Nelson and MollyRingwaldwald, his origins really
began with the breakfast club,which was the first film to star
multiple members, as the onlyactors set on the set actually
within the age group of theircharacters, 16 year olds anthony
michael hall and molly ringwaldreportedly became so

(49:03):
inseparable during productionthat they briefly dated while
shooting.
The other cast members arealready in their early 20s.
By the time film commenced,both amelia estevez and ali
sheedy were already 23 and juddnelson topped everyone at 24,
which is also why I say parts ofthat are a little inappropriate
.
With him under the desk andlike as much like now when you

(49:29):
watch it, knowing that he was 24and she was 16.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yes, a little and I'm sure she was uncomfortable.
I can just hope he was alsouncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I'm not so sure he was.
Yeah, supposedly he was quitethe troublemaker, oh yeah, at
the time.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Um, so that's you know see, those are the things
that I think are moreproblematic than maybe some of
the language or the way theteacher treated the kids, things
like that.
It's very sexual assaulty it is, and even the things that he
says to her yes, even thoughit's a script, it's a script

(50:08):
yeah Well, the movie was.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
A lot was improvised in that movie.
It didn't say specifically what, but a lot of it.
They said that they let themreally, especially Judd Nelson.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, he was kind of raunchy, yeah, and I but I one
thing that I was surprised bywas it's rated R.
I was like why is this movierated r?
I mean, I don't know there's nonudity.
There is not, maybe becausethey smoke pot, maybe I swear,
though, like back then, if yousaid the f word once the movie

(50:45):
was rated r oh yeah, well, andthey do.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
they do say the f word a couple times.
Okay, so that's probably fromlanguage.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Now, PG-13, like people are having sex on screen.
I know it's so, I don't get it.
They're assuming parents aregoing to parent, so that's where
they go wrong.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Okay, but here's the thing Like I don't have a
problem with the language issue,our mutual friend, her daughter
, has always cussed.
She's always fuck this, fuckthat, and even when she was
little, because that's how chriswas, so everything was, and she
simply told her these are athome words and you can't, don't

(51:24):
say them in school, becauseother kids are not allowed to
say them.
And and and so she didn't right.
You know there was anappropriate time.
But my friend was like it'sjust a word, like and that's how
I feel too.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Like I was raised that I would have gotten my
teeth knocked out if I had saidit.
My mother will still go afterme with a wooden spoon.
Oh, I still would not cuss infront of my mom, my sister does,
and I like cringe.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, because I'm waiting for her to get punched
in the face Every time Iaccidentally drop one because
you know my language has gottena little spicier out in the open
now.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
And I have the open now and, um, I have to.
I'm always like, oh, my god,I'm so sorry, I don't know, I
don't like that.
I don't think I ever slip infront of my mom, but but it did
teach me in a very abusive way,um, when it's appropriate to say
it and when it's not, so I caneasily turn it off and on, like
I'm very, very good at that.
Yes, but my kids.
So I taught them that without,um, making it scary.

(52:20):
I just you know they weren'tallowed to cuss in front of me.
They're the children and I'mthe mom, and that that was how I
did it, just because I wantedthem to learn how to turn it off
, because, like my husband, forexample, was never taught and
mine either will cuss in frontof anyone anytime, and you're
just like oh dear God, I know.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
He does it in front of my mom and dad and I'm like
ugh.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, yeah, she's going to hit you with a wooden
spoon.
Stop saying that.
So I wanted them to learn.
But now they're adults.
And it's funny because lastnight was my son-in-law's
birthday we were talking aboutthat, right.
So we were over there for dinnerand my daughter particularly
this daughter who's married tothis son-in-law we were always

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afraid to cuss in front of herbecause she was so judgmental,
like we wouldn't like do a lotof things in front of her,
because we were like we don'twant to make Kay mad at us
because she is good and we'renot, apparently, so anyway.
So she's been cussing a lotmore around me, which I'm
totally fine with, like it's not, like I don't know you cuss,

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and now I can say fuck in frontof you too.
So good, we're all happy now.
Problem solved.
Yeah, so we were at their houselast night and they had all
their friends over.
So my husband and I are in theliving room, obviously, you know
, and the kids are all out inthe, in the kitchen and my
daughter is just fuck this, fuckthat, fuck you, fuck the horse.

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She came in on Like and Jay'slooking at me and he's like do
you hear your daughter?
Like she does that.
Now, I don't know, it's justwhat she does.
He's like it's so weird, youknow and I think this.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
It's much more socially acceptable now, like
you hear it all the time.
Now I'm like when we weregrowing up, like you did not,
and if it was an r-rated movielike you said, yes, but it was
like a shock to your system whenyou heard and if someone did
say it, they were a bad personyes like they had no class.
And I grew up in restaurants, soof course I heard it all the

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time.
I mean like there is no dirtier, raunchier, worse place in the
whole world than the kitchen ofa restaurant.
Yes, there is no filters,there's no sexual harassment.
That's all allowed in thekitchen of a restaurant.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Yes, so you don't like it, you're in the wrong
town.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
You are in the wrong, like there is no hr.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
No no, you just get drug out back and beat up.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Then you end up in the walking crying because
everybody made fun of you.
Um, so it's it was.
It was weird for me because itwas shocking to hear outside of
that situation and I think I'veheard my dad say it like twice
and I know for a fact that hesays it a lot when we're not
around, so he tempers what hesays too.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Oh, I've never heard my dad.
My dad just thinks it's sotrashy when people like he's
very proper, which he doesn'tlook proper because he just
likes his sweatsuits and youknow, and his t-shirts and but
he very well-mannered, verystrict raise, raising up very,

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very etiquette.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
My dad apparently when he gets around just the
boys he cusses.
But when he's around I promiseyou my dad doesn't.
That's crazy like becausebecause my husband has said your
dad just fucks this, fuck that,and I'm like really, because
I've only ever heard him sayonce and it was because I made
him that angry I was thetroubled teenager.

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Yeah, fun fact.
Oh, this one I thought wasfunny too.
Judd Nelson said AnthonyMichael Hall had a surprising
growth spurt during shooting.
According to commentary on the30th anniversary edition of the
filmelson remembered being twoinches taller than hall during

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auditions and a half inch tallerduring rehearsals.
Sometime during shoot, ashooting hall had outgrown
nelson, who jokingly stated thathe began writing letters to
geneticists.
Um, according to both mollyringwald and ali sheedy, the
original script had a porkystyle scene in which the boys

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sneak off to peek in on the highschool synchronized swim team,
stumbling upon a topless peteacher along the way.
Um, but the actresses bothconfronted hughes about the
misogynistic sequence, helistened and cut it from the
movie altogether.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
So apparently, it was even more problematic then.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
While crawling his way through the air duct, bender
entertains himself byremembering a joke about a
blonde, a poodle and a six-footsalami, but before he can
deliver the punchline, heabruptly falls through the
ceiling.
Since the joke was never in thescript, it has remained
unfinished, though many redditusers have tried their hand at

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giving it a proper ending.
yeah, but judd nelson has nevergiven a punchline probably left
better unsaid, I mean that yeaha go-to guy for hollywood
soundtracks, ke churned out someof the most notable songs for
80s movies Approached by thestudio.
To write the Breakfast Clubsoundtrack, forsey spent time

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watching the actors on setbefore committing.
Inspired by the scene in whichBrian asked the group if they'll
still be friends afterdetention, forsey wrote the new
iconic song Don't.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
You Forget.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
About Me.
Originally, Brian Ferry of RoxyMusic was approached to sing it
before Billy Idol, who laterrecorded his own version.
I don't think I've ever heardthe Billy Idol version.
Luckily, an offer to ChrissyHine of the pretenders would
lead to the recommendation ofsimple minds frontman jim care

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care heinz.
Husband.
Simple minds would agree to thesong, though initially there
was hesitation over the band notwriting their own lyrics.
Um this, this, this is a realfun fact this one was my
favorite fun fact as the secondreoccurring adult figure of the
film, john Kapelis only had twoscenes as Carl the janitor.

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While Kapelis would have littlescreen time, he took his role
seriously, leading to a feudbetween him and star Emilio
Estevez.
According to Kapelis, the badblood between the two began when
he was trying to film a scenewhile estevez and nelson were
trying to make him laugh,angered by their lack of
seriousness.
He referenced the real lifeheart attack of actor martin

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sheen while shooting apocalypse.
Now capitalist told the pairthat they would have been great
on the set of apocalypse nowduring the time of martin
sheen's heart attack.
Well, would have had funwatching him wince in pain as
they goofed around.
Unbeknownst to him, estevez wassheen's son making the rest of
their time together veryuncomfortable for both I thought

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that when I read that I waslike oh shit how do you fucking
not know right?
That's what I was thinking Imean I guess he knew about char
Sheen, but I don't know how youdidn't know.
I mean, I guess because theydidn't share a last name, I
don't know, but he looks exactlylike his father.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
And his brother.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yes, John Hughes wrote or directed some of the
most influential movies of the80s and 90s Sixteen Candles, the
Breakfast Club, ferrisBueller's Day Off, pretty in
Pink, some Kind of WonderfulWeird Science.
Other notable films that heeither wrote, directed or
produced Mr Mom, nationalLampoon's Vacation Planes,

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trains and Automobiles, homeAlone, home Alone 2,.
Uncle Buck, she's Having a Baby.
On the morning of August 6,2009, hughes was taking a walk
close to his hotel on West 55thStreet in Manhattan when he
suffered a heart attack.
He was rushed to RooseveltHospital, where he was
pronounced dead at age 59.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Damn, I didn't realize it was that long ago.
I didn't either.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Jeez, I remember him dying, but I know time really is
smooth.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Time is so weird, it's crazy right when you get
old, it's so weird.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
The pilot episode of the nbc comedy community
broadcast on september 17th 2009was dedicated to hughes.
The episode included severalreferences to the breakfast club
and ended with a cover of don'tyou forget about me I love that
show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
The one tree hill episode titled don't you forget
about me, broadcast on february1st 2010, ended with a scene
similar to the ending of 16Candles.
It also contained references toother Hughes movies, such as
Home Alone.
The 2011 Bob's Burgers episode,sheesh Cab.
Bob also paid homage to 16Candles.
The teen comedy, easy A,starring Emma Stone, paid

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tribute to Hughes and his filmsat the very end, where Stone's
character states she wishes herlife were a John Hughes movie by
showing various clips ofSixteen Candles, the Breakfast
Club and Ferris Bueller's DayOff.
While primarily satirizinglater 90s teen comedies, the
parody film Not Another TeenMovie references a number of
John Hughes 80s films, includingSixteen Candles, breakfast Club
and Pretty in Pink, and is setat a fictitional John Hughes

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high school, which I neverreally paid attention to, in
that I've seen that movie and Inever.
After Hughes' death, many ofthose who knew him commented on
the impact Hughes had on theirlives and on the film industry.
Molly Ringwald said I wasstunned and incredibly sad to
hear about the death of JohnHughes.
He was, and will always be,such an important part of my
life.
He will be missed by me and byeveryone that he has touched my

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heart and all my thoughts arewith his family.
Now Matthew Broderick alsoreleased his own statement
saying I am truly shocked andsaddened by the news about my
old friend, john Hughes.
He was a wonderful, verytalented guy and my heart goes
out to his family.
The 82nd Academy Award includeda tribute to Hughes' work.
A retrospective of clips fromHughes' films was followed by
cast members from several ofthem, including Molly Ringwald,

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matthew Broderick, macaulayCulkin, judd Nelson, ali Sheedy,
anthony Michael Hall and JohnCryer gathering on stage to
commemorate Hughes and hiscontributions to the film
industry.
And I think without John Hughes, the 80s would not have been.
Oh god, no, I mean, you can'tlive without those movies like
every movie.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
You said I mean, they're all icons yeah, if you
told me to name an 80s movie, Iwould name a John Hughes movie.
If you gave me 10 or 15 to list, I would name all John Hughes
movies.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I know wow that's awesome so yeah, that's the
breakfast club.
I don't know if we covered itall, but it's a good movie.
Go back and watch it it is itis.
I thoroughly enjoyed it today,yeah um, if you were curious and
just didn't go back and watchthe movie, like I fucking told

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you to in the beginning, the?
Um, the essay is dear.
Mr vernon, we accept the factthat we had to sacrifice a whole
saturday in detention forwhatever it was.
We did wrong, but we werethinking.
But we think you're crazy tomake us write an essay telling
you who we think we are.
You see us as you want to seeus, in the simplest terms and

(01:03:38):
the most convenient definitions,but what?
But?
What we found out is that eachone of us is a brain and an
athlete and a basket case, aprincess and a criminal.
Does that answer your questionsincerely?
yours, the breakfast club no,and I think that's a hunt, I
mean.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yeah, I mean, it's a great thing for any teacher to
hear.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
We're all those things, exactly, each one of us.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
And don't make assumptions about any of us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Exactly.
It's just who you choose topresent yourself as.
Exactly or who you were chosen,Right To present yourself.
But we all have.
We're all weird in our own way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Absolutely.
We right to present yourself,but we all have.
We're all weird in our own wayabsolutely, we're all freaks.
Absolutely some of us a littlebit let that freak flag, and the
more you try to hide that shit,the worse you are.
We all know, so don't even tryit.
Yeah, like um, who was that guy?
Wait, let me think of it realquick.
Um, it was somebody last week.
Oh, sarah McBride, therepresentative from Delaware.

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And did you see the otherpolitician that refused?

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Called her Mr McBride , yes, and then she called him
Madam, which I thought washilarious.
I did too Good for her andsuper, super proud and I'm so
mad that I can't think of thename right now but of the
gentleman who stood up for herand refused to let the man go on
until he did it right and then,like a little bit, she closed
everything down rather than sayit but I was like you know, that

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dude is like fucking trans kids, because it's always the ones
who have to hide it so bad.
Or it's either little boys orit's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Something horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
It's something different Well, maybe horrible,
or at least different.
And my friend was like it'sjust something he doesn't want
to do to his wife because she'stoo pure.
And I said, no, it's somethinghe doesn't want to do to his
wife because she's too pure.
And I said, no, it's somethinghe doesn't want to do to his
wife because he doesn't want hiswife to know who he actually is
exactly I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Just as a small tangent, I'm related to that.
Why the fuck do you care?

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
exactly.
Why does anybody?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
care what.
Who goes goes is what, and thewhole line of trans women are
beating regular women orcisgendered women or whatever
the fucking term is.
Well, first can I just say Idon't like the term cisgender,
so I don't want to be calledthat.
And I think sometimes I get alittle bit out of shape when

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they push that.
Because if you want to becalled what you want to be
called, then let me be calledwhat I want to be called.
Yes, just my soapbox for that.
Yes, um, but why the fuck doyou care?
I know why do you care?
It's not happening.
It is not happening.
There are not men.
Yeah, where's the data?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I went on a wig.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Look, any man can walk into any woman's room and
assault her any, any time.
You don't have to have a wig onto do that.
You don't have to have a dresson to do that.
You don't have to be pretendingthat you're a girl to go.
You can walk in to a woman.
You can follow a woman into awoman's room and assault her in
there, and it happens all thetime and guess what?

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
it's never.
Never a trans woman, no, neverfuck that, no stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Yeah, call people what they want to be called and
don't fucking care exactly.
It doesn't affect you at all,at all none, not even the
teeniest, tiniest bit in thewhole entire world why do you
care?
Somebody pees standing up ordoesn't, right, it's none of
your business.
Right, and you know what?
Women have forever been goinginto men's rooms because the
line for the women's rooms istoo long yeah, I mean one thing

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I'm so proud like of my dad andjanet.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
They're down in florida and they're in fort
myers and they belong to aprivate club.
I won't like call it out oranything like that, but they
have a member who he waspreviously a lawyer she, sorry
and she's trans and she shows upthere and hangs out in her
dresses and her little bobbedhaircut and her jewelry and her

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makeup and everybody just hangsout with her and these are a
bunch of old white guys.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Because it's been trained that it's some kind of
fucked up concept.
But if you know someone, then,it becomes a little more real,
but you can separate that personfrom this big bad evil.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
And another thing men have been coming into women's
rooms with their daughtersforever, exactly.
And you will never, not evenone time, see, and if you are a
man and you have a smalldaughter and you don't want to
take her into the men's room,totally get it, but you don't
want to send her into thewoman's room by yourself.
If you announce, hey, I have adaughter, can I come in, they
will let nobody's going to stopyou, nope.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Actually, they're all going to be like oh, what a
good dad.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah, that's so nice.
Oh, what a good dad.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah, that's so nice, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
We're getting off on a huge tangent here.
Fuck that shit Anyway.
So we're all weird.
Just get over it.
We are.
Let people be who they want tobe.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
That is the moral of this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Basically, that is the moral of this goddamn movie.
Yeah, it is, yeah, exactly.
But what's going to happen onMonday?
Same shit, we're all going backto where we were.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Except some of us.
Yeah, this Molly Ringwald and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Ally Sheedy remain friends.
We've made it work, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
We were not in high school then, so I think we still
would have been friends in highschool, do you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Yeah, in high school, do you?
Yeah, I tell you all the time,I don't think my husband would
have dated me in high school.
I was really fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I don't my husband didn't really date in high
school.
He was a jock, he liked toparty.
I tell him all the time I'mlike there's no way you would
have dated me.
And he was like no, I think Iwould have.
When I was like and then he'slike one time we were talking
about something, he was like youhad a cane.
And I was like yeah, I carrieda cane.
And he was like why?
And I was like why wouldn't youexactly?

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
because it was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I said I also wore a cape and he was like oh my god,
you wore a fucking cape and Iwas like you would not have been
anywhere near me whatever.
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Uh, I can't think of anythingthat is related to that, but, um
, we're still trying to.
We got to make a video.
We got to get a camera.
We do because we can't do it onour phone no, it's weird it.
It's weird, yeah, so we got toget a camera and then maybe
we'll do video.
It's very scary, it is.
Nobody wants to see me rightnow.
You shouldn't see me right now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
I'm sweating we, we are definitely radio
personalities, not front of thecamera too, money shot okay, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
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