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Remember when television dance shows weren't just entertainment but cultural institutions that shaped how we dressed, danced, and understood America? From American Bandstand's wholesome beginnings to Soul Train's revolutionary celebration of Black culture, these programs were windows into worlds many viewers couldn't access otherwise.

This episode takes you on a nostalgic journey through the evolution of TV dance shows that defined generations. We unpack American Bandstand's complicated racial history, revealing how Dick Clark's claims about desegregation contrasted with the show's predominantly white audience until its move to Los Angeles in 1964. You'll discover how Don Cornelius created Soul Train as a direct response, crafting what one scholar called the perfect representation of "what blackness is" if aliens ever asked.

We explore the surprising connections between these cultural touchstones – like how Solid Gold's professional dancers brought choreographed spectacle to living rooms across America, how Dancing on Air launched Kelly Ripa's career, and how Club MTV with Downtown Julie Brown created the perfect fusion of dance club culture and music television. Did you know Nine Inch Nails appeared on a dance show? Or that Walter Payton was once a Soul Train dancer?

Beyond the music and moves, these shows were powerful social forces. They reflected America's racial divisions and integration efforts, showcased emerging musical genres (sometimes reluctantly), and created shared experiences for teenagers nationwide. We also reminisce about the now-extinct Under-21 clubs where many of us tried to replicate those dance floor moments we saw on TV.

Whether you religiously watched these shows or are discovering their impact for the first time, this episode celebrates a time when dancing on television could unite a nation while highlighting our differences. So put on your dancing shoes and join us for this rhythmic trip down memory lane.

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I mean, your life is decidedfor you.
That's why Harry left.
He didn't want it and you knowa lot of people booed him for
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It's a shame because I thankhim.
I mean, obviously Camilla hasbeen around before, it was
around before Diana, and nowhe's married to her, and you
know obviously they did staytogether.

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the radio or something yeah, Igot to work.

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my way to work.
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It was sad it was very sad it'salso the um anniversary of
katrina which boils my blood tothe point of incoherence.

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all.

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maybe I don't remember yesterdayit has.
The actress from orange is thenew black in it.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, her nameis like Uba or Uda.
I can never, for whateverreason, I can never remember her
name, her and the reallyhandsome guy Abiz something I
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your name.

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Oh, he was on the Office heplayed.
Charles Didn't watch the Officeeither, okay, so anyway, if
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You matter, you're loved andwe're so damn glad you're here.
All right, okay, let's getserious, guys.
It's time to get serious.
It's time to get serious andfuck around and find out about
drum roll dance shows.
Woo, no.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
You are right.
In my wheelhouse man, I havealways loved to dance, from the
time I knew what a rockette was.
I wanted to be a Rockette.
I still, to this day, am angrywith my mother that she never
put me in dance classes becauseI was 5'9", same height as a
Rockette.
You say you're right height.
Yeah, anyway, I digress.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Let's start with probably the most iconic
American bandstand.
It ran from 1952 to 1989.
It premiered locally in lateMarch of 52 as a bandstand on
Philadelphia television stationWFIL-TV Channel 6, hosted by Bob

(09:40):
Horn as a television adjunct tohis radio show of the same name
.
On WFIL, everything Good Startsin Philly.
Yes, I am shocked.
Wait till you see almost all ofthem start.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
A lot of stuff I read starts in Philly.
By the way, boys to Men isperforming at the halftime show
at the Eagles-Cowboys game thisThursday.
Go Eagles and the one guy Ican't remember which one of the
boys to men, but he was like.
Anytime you ask me to doanything for the Eagles, the
answer is always going to be yes.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Of course, anytime anybody asks us if we want to do
anything for the Eagles, we'regoing to say yes, always.
Yes, jeffrey Laurie, if you'relistening, I don't think you are
, but you never know.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Never know, maybe his grandkids are or kids, I don't
know.
His kids would be Gen X.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
His kids would be Gen X.
Okay, I actually don't have anyidea what he is.
I don't either.
He might even be the top end ofGen X, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Oh maybe he does listen I don't.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
We haven't had a Philadelphia one for a while.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
We have Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I think we have like six Philadelphia's right now,
but okay, all right, okay anyway.
Hosted by Bob Horn as atelevision adjunct to his radio
show of the same name on WFIL,bandstand featured short musical
films produced by SnaderTelescriptions and Official
Films with occasional studioguests.
Horn wanted to change the showto a dance program featuring
teenagers dancing on camera asmusic records played.
The radio show, the 950 Club,hosted by Joe Grady and Ed Hurst

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, inspired the format whichaired on Philadelphia's WPEN.
On October 7, 1952,.
This new version of Bandstanddebuted from Studio B, located
in the original 1947 building inWest Philadelphia.
Born and raised, it was hostedby Horn and co-hosted by Lee
Stewart from its launch in 1952until 1955.

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Tony Mammarella was theoriginal producer with Ed Gates
as director.
With Ed Gates as director,snader and Official Music Films
continued in the short term tofill gaps when dancers were
changed during the show becausethe studio could not fit more
than 200 attendees.
Oh, also, just a heads up, Ikind of sprinkled the fun facts

(11:56):
in, so it's going to be thislike it's not going to be at the
end like fun facts.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
I totally forgot fun facts last week, so, and they're
my favorite, so you know, onJuly 9th, 1956, horn was fired
following a drunk driving arrestand was also reportedly
involved in a prostitution ringfor which he forced morality.
He faced morality charges.

(12:21):
You know what?
E WFIL and its co-owner, walterAnnenberg's, the Philadelphia
Iner, were running a series ondrunk drivers at the time of
Horne's arrest.
Mamorello temporarily placedHorne before the job went to
Dick Clark permanently.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
It was destiny.
Yes, that poor guy had to get aDUI yeah, and prostitution
charges Well yeah, he probablydidn't have to get that one, but
and maybe then Clark set him up.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
In late spring of 1957, ABC asked its owned and
operated stations and affiliatesfor programming suggestions to
fill their 3.30 pm EasternStandard Time slot.
In Philadelphia, WFIL wasalready preempting ABC
programming with Bandstand.
Clark presented the show to ABCpresident Thomas W Moore and

(13:09):
after negotiations it was pickedup for national broadcast,
becoming American Bandstand onAugust 5th 1957, hosted by Dick
Clark.
Awesome from this first seasonof American Bandstand in
December of 57, identified assecond national broadcast, is
preserved in the archives of theMuseum of Broadcast

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Communications in Chicago.
A half-hour evening version ofAmerican Bandstand aired on
Monday nights from 7.30 to 8 pm,beginning on October 7, 1957.
It was preceding the GuyMitchell show.
Both shows received low ratingsand were canceled shortly after
their debut.

(13:49):
People just were not ready fordancing at night.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I was watching CBS Sunday Mornings this week and
that news show they do lots of.
You're going to have to deleteout this.
More stories than news typethings, right, and one of the
things that they brought up was,uh, that the news and I'm not

(14:13):
gonna remember how long ago itwas, but it was this week um
went from 15 minute segments toa half an hour and it was such a
big deal.
Like they showed the intro, likeyour first half hour evening
news, wow I know that's crazy Iknow, but I guess back then you
didn't really get a lot of newsfrom elsewhere, probably 15

(14:33):
minutes.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Took it, took it all, especially around here.
I can't imagine that they'vebeen able to fill more than 15
minutes here I remember as a kidlike it was like 15 minutes of
like national news and likewhat's going on on the other
side of the bridge, and then itwould be like five minutes of
like chicken news like what'sgoing on.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I got stuck behind a chicken truck on the way down
here today.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I know they're so slow and then scorchy would come
on.
Oh, scorch I know, I don't likehis grandson.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
No.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
It's just not the same.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
It's the same thing with Steve Irvin and his
children.
Like his son he's okay.
I mean good for him and I'mhappy for him, but he's not his
dad.
Yeah, it's just the nostalgiathing.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Scorchy had the.
I know you people who are notfrom here.
He was this old sussex, county,maryland, eastern shore so such
an accent and he had like youcould barely understand what he
was saying.
If you're not from here, youprobably can't understand a

(15:40):
single word he says but hiscatch phrase was he was
wandering this Delmarvalous land.
Yes, because we are Delaware,maryland, virginia, it's called
Delmarva.
Yes, it's not the Delmarva,it's either the Delmarva
Peninsula or just.
Delmarva, or it's Delmarva.
Yes, and that's your geographylesson for today.
It drives me insane when theysay the Delmarva.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
It's not Well.
It's the same as the peoplethat call Louis Lou's oh God.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
I'm going to lose who's Lou.
I don't know where Lou is.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Is he cooking you dinner?
Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
The program was broadcast live on weekday
afternoons and by 1959, the showhad a national audience of
approximately 20 million viewers.
Wow, I know the show had anational audience of
approximately 20 million viewers, I know.
In the fall of 1961, abctruncated American Bandstand's
airtime from 90 to 60 minutes,which 90 minutes I feel like is
way too long.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, I mean, I could have watched it for 90 minutes,
but that's too long.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm just yeah, it was then airing 4 to 5 pm, then
even further as a daily halfhour from 4 to 4.30, program in
September of 62.
Beginning in early 63, all fiveshows for the upcoming week
were videotaped the previousSaturday.
The use of videotape allowedClark to produce and host a
series of concert tours based onthe success of American

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Bandstand and pursue otherbroadcast interests based on the
success of American Bandstandand pursue other broadcast
interests.
In September of 63, americanBandstand shifted from a weekly
schedule to weekly broadcastformat, airing every Saturday
afternoon in a reinstatedone-hour time slot, returning to
the format used in earlierbroadcasts.
When WFIL moved to a newfacility on City Line Avenue,

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the new facility lacked a studiothat could accommodate the show
.
Abc moved production ofBandstand to the ABC Television
Center in Los Angeles, now knownas the Prospect Studios.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Boo.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
On February 8, 1964.
Prior to the move, Bandstandfeatured many of its
up-and-coming acts fromPhiladelphia's Cameo Parkway
Records.
The move to Californiacoincided with a downturn in
Cameo Parkway Records' influence, which diminished the exposure
of many of its artists.
The program was filmed in colorstarting on September 9, 1967.

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The typical production scheduleconsisted of videotaping three
shows on a Saturday and threeshows on a Sunday every six
weeks.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
And then you got to work all weekend.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I know, but then you had all week off.
On September 13th 1969, thebandstand was set.
The bandstand set was given acomplete overhaul, unless
Elgert's big band version ofbandstand boogie was replaced by
a new theme composed by MikeCurb.
The AB logo was replaced withthe stylized AB logo capitalized

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, which remained in use and wasused for the remainder of the
show's run.
The set and theme music wereused until August 31st 1974,
right before I was born.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
A year after I was born, when the show unveiled a
new set and updated version ofBandstand Boogie.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
For a brief time, in 73, bandstand alternated its
time slot with Soul Unlimited, ashow featuring soul music that
was hosted by Buster Jones.
Soul Unlimited faced criticismfrom some African-American
viewers who questioned Clark'srole as a white producer and
accused the show of reinforcingracial stereotypes.
I love Don Cornelius.
Now let's get caught up to whenwe would watch it.

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During the early 80s, americanbandstand experienced a steady
decline in ratings.
This was largely due toincreased competition from
emerging music televisionformats such as MTV, as well as
a growing number of musicprograms across other networks.
Many ABC affiliates beganpre-empting or rescheduling the
show, further reducing itsviewership.
Additionally, the show's timeslot was frequently overtaken by

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college football broadcasts,which had expanded significantly
following a 1984 court-orderedderegulation.
In December of 85, americanBandstand aired a special 33 and
a third anniversary broadcaston ABC.
The show featured performancesby numerous recording artists,
guest appearances and archivalfootage from past screenings.

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Performing artists included RodStewart, dionne Warwick and
Donna Summer.
September 13th 1986, abcreduced Bandstand from a full
hour to 30 minutes at Clark'srequest.
In September of 87, the finalABC installment, with Laura
Branigan performed ShatteredGlass, aired.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
It's crazy how much it changed, like the time I'll
get into it Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Hey, our thanks to Laura Branigan for joining us
here on a man can bandstandtoday.
I hope you've had a good halfhour.
Come and join us two weeks fromtoday for our version of
American bandstand on Saturday,september 9th.
We'll see you then.
In the meantime, have awonderful week or two.
We'll see you the next time onAmerican bandstand.
For now, dick Clark on ABC.
So long that.
American Bandstand for now,dick Clark on ABC so long.
That was Dick Clark's finalmessage on the final episode of

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American Bandstand to bebroadcast on ABC September 5th
1987.
It wasn't very exciting, theydidn't know.
Two weeks later, bandstandmoved to first run syndication.
Syndicated episodes aired onthe week of September 19th 87.
The run was short-lived,lasting until june of 88.

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After a 10-month hiatus,bandstand moved to cable on usa
network with comedian davidhirsch taking over as host.
In another format shift, theshow was shot outdoors at
universal studios, hollywoodclark, with the show serving as
its executive producer.
So like literally, that was hislast time on a movie.

(21:48):
That's what he went out with.
That's so lame.
Why didn't you come back on anddo something?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
That is like a lame fact.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I know that is an unfun fact.
The iteration of the show,however, was also brief, lasting
26 weeks before it was canceled.
Its final show, with the covergirls performing my Heart Skips
a Beat and we Can't Go Wrong,aired on October 7th 1989,
ending the show's 37 year run.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
My heart skips a beat every time we meet.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Well, it's our last show here on Bandstand.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I'm so in love with you.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I really want to thank the viewers who have kept
American Bandstand on the airall these years.
Dick Clark, wherever you are,we miss you.
I tried my best to fill yourshoes and I hope I have lived up
to what you were expecting ofme.
American Bandstand will be backsomeday, I assure you.
I'm David Hirsch and on behalfof American Bandstand I bid you
for the last time goodbye.
That was Dave Hirsch signingoff the last time on American

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Bandstand's final regularepisode on October 7th 1989.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Well, that was lame too, and he knew he was going
off the air.
Dick Clark would have crushedthat.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah.
On May 3rd 2002, dick Clarkhosted a one-off special 50th
anniversary edition on ABC.
Michael Jackson, a frequentbandstand guest, performed
Dangerous.
The Village People performedtheir signature song, ymca.
Yeah for the audience in.
Pasadena, california.
Other performers, includingBrandy, members of KISS, Dennis

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Quaid and his band the Sharks,cher and Stevie Wonder,
performed in honor of the longrunning program oh that is quite
an eclectic group, uh-huh.
So controversy?
I know Crazy, right, I do lovecontroversy.
Originally located inPhiladelphia.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Bandstand was influenced by racial segregation
laws in nearby.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Maryland and Delaware , although the show Go Delaware
no, it was not.
Oh bad Delaware influenced byracial segregation laws in
nearby Maryland and Delaware,although the show Go.
Delaware no, it was not.
Oh bad Delaware.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
We had segregation laws here.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Although the show was never explicitly segregated and
featured black R&B performerssuch as the Chords, producers
sought to increase marketabilityin segregated states and avoid
alienating white viewers byeffectively segregating the
audience beginning in 1954.
And avoid alienating whiteviewers by effectively
segregating the audiencebeginning in 1954.
Policies to limit blackattendance, including abolishing
first-come, first-servedticketing for local residents,

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favoring repeat attendees inticket allocation, promoting
tickets in majority whitesuburbs and only responding to
mail-in ticket requests fromindividuals with European
surnames.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Well, now I feel dirty for watching American
Bandstand things.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
In response, black teenagers began requesting
tickets under assumed names togain admission, but often faced
harassment and conflicts withwhite audience members.
Concerned about the potentialimpact of these incidents on
advertisers and audienceparticipation, bandstand
producers petitioned thePhiladelphia Commission on Human
Relations to investigate.
Bob Horn and other producerstestified that the show did not

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have any discriminatory policiesand in 1955, the commission
concluded that, althoughadmission policies and the
resulting conflicts led to theabsence of Negroes from
attendance, there wasinsufficient grounds for a
discrimination lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Let me guess Everybody that was making that
decision was white.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Probably.
Yeah, it didn't specificallysay that, but I think it's a
limb we could all go out on.
Dick Clark claimed in hisautobiography that he was
responsible for desegregatingthe show's audience shortly
after taking over in 1957.
However, review of footage ofthe show's audience reveals that
it remained almost exclusivelywhite until it relocated to Los

(25:33):
Angeles in 1964.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, I mean hopefully he did want change.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
In 2004,.
Dick Clark.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
She's going to hurt my feelings no.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
In 2004, dick Clark, with the help of Ryan Seacrest,
announced plans to revive theshow in time for the 2005 season
, although this did not occur,due in part to Clark suffering a
severe stroke in late 2004.
One segment of the revivedbandstand eventually became the
series so you Think you CanDance, which is one of my
all-time favorite shows.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I don't think I've ever seen that one Fucking love
that show.
But yeah, I'm pretty sure thatRyan Seacrest is a lab-created
clone Like that.
Dude is fucking everywhere yes.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
And nobody wants it.
You should sometime go back andwatch.
I don't think it's on anymore,but so you think you can dance.
It's like american idol fordancing.
Oh my god, some of the peoplethat come like you remember
ellen's um who, who committedsuicide twitch him and his wife
were both on it oh, yeah, okay,yeah he could dance yes he

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didn't win, but he came, camereal close.
The first season is probably oneof the best dance shows.
I think it's amazing.
It's a really good show.
All right.
Dick Clark died on April 18th2012 at the age of 82.
Freddie Cannon holds the recordfor the most appearances, with
110.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I don't know if I know who Freddie Cannon is.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
I don't either.
That name doesn't soundremotely familiar.
I totally forgot to look him up.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
So we took a little pause here to look up Freddie
Cannon, and his biggestinternational hits included
Tallahassee, lassie, way DownYonder in New Orleans Not on the
Chattahoochee, not theChattahoochee and Palisades Park
, which we have never heard ofany of these, and my dad's a big

(27:32):
music guy.
I listened to a lot of the oldstuff back then yeah, nothing.
So if you really like him, letus know what we're missing out
on.
But I'm just thinking he's awhore for American Bandstand.
Probably just didn't haveanything else to do they
probably paid like 25 bucksevery time he came on.
Yeah, he needed money.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
He was probably like he when people cancel.
He's probably who they calledyeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just a quick shout out to oneof our favorite sponsors, old
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So the next one soul train, youknow what I like soul train
better than I like americanbandstand.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
That because those people could actually dance and
by those people I didn't meananything I just meant, people on
soul train could dance 1971 to2006 is when Soul Train aired,
created by Don Cornelius Became,a symbol of black culture
worldwide.
As one scholar put it, ifaliens came down and asked what

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blackness is, you should showthem Soul Train.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, a little racist .
Yeah, well, that was probablyin 1960, whatever I said, it was
probably a compliment back then1960.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Whatever I said it's probably a compliment back then.
The origins of soul train canbe traced to 1965, when wciu tv
and upstart uhf station inchicago began airing two
youth-oriented dance programskidia gogo and red hot and blues
.
And let's just take a second toremember UHF channels.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I don't.
You know, I forgot about UHFchannels I know, I know, yeah,
you're right.
Yeah, I literally not thoughtof it until you just said that,
so we'll just take a moment forthe UHF station.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, well, while we're taking a moment, I need to
bring up Dave Chappelle again,because I freaking love his show
and you just reminded me withthe whole soul train and all
that stuff.
He did a skit of if a blackperson got arrested and treated
like a white person versus awhite person getting arrested
and treated like a black person.

(30:03):
That shit was fucking funny.
But so spot on, yeah, I canimagine.
So spot on.
Okay, I'm done, okay.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
These programs, specifically the latter, which
was Red, Hot and Blues, featureda predominantly
African-American group ofin-studio dancers and would set
the stage for what was to cometo the station several years
later.
Don Cornelius, a newsreader andbackup disc jockey at Chicago
radio station WVON, was hired byWCIU in 1967 as a news and

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sports reporter.
Cornelius also was promotingand emceeing a touring series of
concerts featuring local talent, sometimes called record hops
at Chicago area high schools,calling his traveling caravan of
shows the Soul Train, and in1970 allowed him the opportunity
to bring his road show totelevision.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
That is so cool.
Don Cornelius is so smooth man.
Yes, remember him with the goldframe square glasses.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I was actually watching last night some Soul
Train, no.
I haven't seen it I was in myresearch, it kept coming on the
YouTube.
After securing a sponsorshipdeal with a Chicago based
retailer, sears Roebuck andCompany, soul Train premiered on
WCIU on August 17th 1970 as alive show airing weekday

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afternoons.
Beginning as a low budgetaffair in black and white, the
first episode of the programfeatured Jerry Butler, the
Cheelites and the Emotions asguests.
I think I've heard of theEmotions?
Yeah, but I don't remember theother two Me either, cornelius,
but I wasn't really into um myparents didn't listen to.
Oh yeah.

(31:45):
Your parents were hippies yeah,they listened to my dad.
Listens to my dad was acid,yeah, rock.
It's because we're white peoplewell, I'm white too, but I'm
just saying my parents don'thave a lot of soul.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Oh, it's pink floyd all day, every day yeah, when I
was here, before you got here,were they playing pink floyd
your dad came home.
Well, they weren't playinganything.
Then your dad came home and Iheard your mom say nicole's here
, and then I heard comfortablynumb I was like okay, dave's
home yep.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Cornelius was assisted by clinton gant, a
local professional dancer, whoappeared on early episodes
before moving behind the scenesas a producer and secondary host
.
The program's immediate successattracted the attention of
another locally based firm, theJohnson Products Company
manufacturers of the Afrosheenline of hair care products, and
they later agreed to co-sponsorthe program's expansion into

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broadcast syndication.
Cornelius and Soul Train'ssyndicator targeted 25 markets
outside of Chicago to carry theshow Damn.
But stations in only sevenother cities Atlanta, birmingham
, cleveland, detroit, houston,los Angeles and Philadelphia
purchased the program, whichbegan airing on a weekly basis
on October 2, 1971.

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By the end of the first season,soul Train was on in the other
18 markets.
At the time there were no othercommercial television programs
being produced by Black peoplefor a Black audience.
The only nationally availableshow for black at the time was

(33:30):
the public television seriesSoul.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Gosh, can you imagine ?
I mean, it's already prettyheavy-sided, although it's
getting better White.
It's pretty heavy-sided white,but I feel like there are more
black shows, but I don't knowthat they're necessarily
realistic.
Yeah, and I also heard I'llnever forget when they first did

(33:55):
this.
I mean it was some years, maybefive, six years ago, maybe
longer, I don't know, I have noconcept of time but Chris Rock
said that they say that they'regiving more diversity in
commercials and TV shows andhe's like but they're not.
They're just giving you mixedcouples, so they're keeping the

(34:15):
white one there and just addinganother one.
It's not actually about blackpeople, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
When the program moved into syndication, its home
base was also shifted to LosAngeles, where it remained for
the duration of its run.
Soul Train was part of anational trend towards
syndicated music-orientedprograms targeted at niche
audiences.
Two other network series HeeHaw for country music and the
Lawrence Wilkes Show fortraditional music I gotta admit

(34:45):
I fucking love Hee Haw.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I liked it I, but my parents watched it and it was
funny.
I watched Hee Haw.
I don't remember the musicstuff.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
I don't remember the music.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
I don't remember the skits yeah, where, oh where are
you tonight?
Why did you leave me here allalone?
I don't remember it that well.
That was the one where the oneguy was standing facing and the
other guy was standing with hisback, and then they'd flip and
sing.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
The only one I remember was there a blonde with
pigtails and missing a tooth.
Yes, yeah, that's the one Iremember.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I don't remember if that show was racist.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I have no idea.
I imagine that it was.
I can only guess.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Well yeah.
I didn't look.
I don't know if there were anyblack folks on there, though
there was, I'm sure.
Right Well, I mean, they mighthave brought one on to make fun
of Maybe.
But yeah, I don't know, I don'teither, but as a kid, like yeah
, a lot of songs stuck in myhead.
From here I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Though Don Cornelius moved his Operation West, a
local version of Soul Traincontinued in Chicago.
Cornelius hosted both the local, chicago-based and national Los
Angeles-based programssimultaneously, but soon focused
his attention solely on thenational edition.
He continued to overseeproduction in Chicago, where

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Clinton-Gantt hosted episodes onWCIU until 1976, followed by
three years of once-weeklyreruns.
The syndicated version waspicked up in the Chicago market
by CBS-owned WBBM-TV at itslaunch.
The program moved to WGN in1977 and remained there for the
rest of its Chicago run.
Don Cornelius hosted everyepisode of Soul Train from 1970

(36:29):
to 1993, except for RichardPryor, who hosted the final
episode of season four, 74 to 75.
Beginning in season 15, 85 to86, tribune Entertainment
acquired the syndicationcontract.
Tribune Entertainment continuedproducing Soul Train until the
end of the show's run on March25, 2006.

(36:50):
With this I did not know, andI'm going to have to tell you
this person I mean he's a realclose number two to Johnny Depp.
Shamar Moore hosted Soul Trainfrom 2000 to 2003.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I swear to God, I thought you were going to say LL
.
Oh, I forgot.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I think Shamar beats out LL.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, he never did anything for me.
I know a lot of.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I think it's because and.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I can see that he's pretty.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
I think it's not just that he's pretty.
I mean, he is pretty.
I think it's the character thathe plays on.
Was it Criminal Minds?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
It's Criminal Minds, I think so yeah, I never watched
that show, so it's the way hetreats I can't.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I used to watch it regularly, but you all know who
it is.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
The way he treats her .
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I think that's.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, I get that.
I've fallen in love with actorsbecause of a character.
I think that's.
Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I've fallen in love with actors because of a
character, I think it's thatcharacter.
He calls her baby girl and hejust yeah, he just yeah.
I think that's what.
Anyway, I digress.
Shamar Moore hosted Soul Trainfrom 2000 to 2003, which I meant
to look that up so I couldwatch Shamar Moore host Soul
Train, because I did not knowthat.
Yeah, I didn't, I don't rememberthat Don Cornelius stopped

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hosting after 22 seasons, thoughhe remained the show's main
creative force from behind thescenes.
The following fall, soul Trainbegan using celebrity hosts
until comedian Maestro Clarktook over as the host in 1997.
Shemar Moore took over as thehost in 2000.
2003, dorian gregory took overas the host and stayed until the

(38:32):
end of the show's run.
In 2006, production of firstrun soul train episodes was
suspended at the conclusion ofthe 2005-2006 season, the show's
35th, in place of new content.
For two seasons starting in2006-200, the program aired
archived episodes under thetitle the best of soul train.

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This was because in later yearsnielsen ratings dropped to
below 1.0.
Most of the stations that airedsoul train by that point were
either fox television affiliatesor independent stations that
would later become affiliates ofthe WB or the UPN, and in the
process, some of the stationswhich had been airing Soul Train

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on Saturday afternoon startedrescheduling the program to
overnight time slots.
Yeah, that kills a show.
The future of Soul Train wasuncertain with the announced
closing of Tribune Entertainmentin December 2007, which left
Don Cornelius Productions toseek a new distributor for the

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program.
He soon secured a deal withTrifecta Entertainment and Media
.
When Don Cornelius Productionsstill owned the program, clips
of the show's performance andinterviews were kept away from
online video sites such asYouTube owing to copying right
infringement claims.
Cornelius also frowned upon theunauthorized distribution of
Soul Train episodes through thesale of third-party VHS or DVD

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compilations.
In May 2008, cornelius sold therights to the Soul Train
Library to Mad VisionEntertainment, whose principal
partners came from theentertainment and publishing
fields.
The price and terms of the dealwere not disclosed.
However, by the start of the2008-09 television season, the
Tribune broadcasting-ownedstations, including national

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carrier WGN America that hadbeen the linchpin of the show's
syndication efforts, dropped theprogram and many others
followed.
Soul Train's websiteacknowledged that the program
had ceased distribution onSeptember 22, 2008.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, I guess dance shows really had kind of run
their course and reality TV wasstarting around then.
Yeah, I think, weren't theyKardashians back then?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I don't remember when the Kardashians started.
I think it was a long time ago.
It was a long time.
I think it was a long time ago.
It was a long time.
I know it was a long time ago.
Following the purchase of MadVision, the Soul Train archives
were exposed to new forms ofdistribution.
In April 2009, mad Visionlaunched a Soul Train channel on
YouTube.
Three months later, the companyentered into a licensing
agreement with Time Life todistribute Soul Train DVD sets.

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Mad Vision then came to termswith Paramount Global-owned BET
to relaunch the Soul Train MusicAwards for BET's spinoff
channel, centric, in November of2009.
Centric would broadcastarchived episodes of the program
and you can also see archivedepisodes on Bounce TV.
Mad Vision sold the rights toSoul Train in 2011 to a

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consortium led by basketballplayer Magic Johnson and backed
by private equity firmIntermedia Partners.
The Johnson IntermediateConsortium planned on a
potential film project thatCornelius had briefly mentioned
prior to selling the franchise,as well as producing potential
stage adaptations and a cruise.
As part of the sale, johnson'sAspire TV channel also began

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airing reruns of the series.
Cornelius continued to appearfor Soul Train documentaries and
ceremonies until his death bysuicide in February of 2012.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I didn't know that either.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
In 2013, centric began presenting a cruise-based
revival marketing as Soul TrainCruise.
All rights and trademarks tothe Soul Train brand, including
the show's extensive library,the annual cruise event and the
award shows, are under theownership of Paramount Global
after its Paramount MediaNetwork's division acquired the
franchise in 2016.

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Some commentators have calledSoul Train a black American
bandstand, another long-runningprogram.
Cornelius acknowledgedbandstand as a model for his
programs.
As the years advanced and SoulTrain evolved into a tradition
in its own right, he tended tobristle at the bandstand
comparison.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I don't tended to bristle atthe bandstand comparison.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I don't think it was reallyanything like bandstand, and the
absolute best part of that showis the end with the dance line
where everybody lines up andthey each take turns coming down
.
I would, oh my God, I wouldhave done anything to go out in
that dance line when I waslittle.

(43:10):
I like that.
It was the best.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
In 1973, Dick Clark, host and producer of Bandstand,
launched Soul Unlimited.
Oh, we talked about that.
Dick Clark and Don Corneliuslater agreed to work together on
a series of network specialsfeaturing R&B and soul artists.
Cornelius was relativelyconservative in his musical
tastes and admitted he was not afan of the emerging hip-hop

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genre, believing that the genredid not reflect positively on
African American culture.
Even though Cornelius featuredrap artists on Soul Train
frequently during the 80s, hepublicly would admit to the
artist's faces, such as CurtisBlow, that the genre was one
that he did not understand.
As rap continued to movefurther toward hardcore hip-hop,
Cornelius admitted to beingfrightened by the antics of

(43:59):
groups such as Public Enemy.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I could see that it's a generational thing.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Like every generation is scared of what their kids
are listening to.
And it was so different.
Like that revolution was so bigand so different, but it all
got its roots in the music DonCornelius was playing.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Rosie Perez testified in the 2010 VH1 documentary
Soul Train the Hippest Trip inAmerica that Cornelius also
dislikes seeing the show'sdancers perform sexually
suggestive East Coast dancemoves.
Cornelius admittedly had rapartists on the show only because
the genre was becoming popularamong his African-American
audiences, though the decisionalienated middle-aged, more

(44:47):
affluent African-Americans likehimself.
Though the decision alienatedmiddle-aged, more affluent
African-Americans like himself.
This disconnect, which wasopenly mocked in an In Living
Color sketch titled Old Train,where Cornelius and the show
were lampooned as extremely oldand out of touch, Eventually it
led to Cornelius stepping downas host in the early 90s and the
show losing its influence.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
And yes, rosie Perez got famous on Soul Train.
I mean, I love Rosie Perezfirst of all, and I think
Cornelius was just intimidatedby them.
Booties Probably.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
That's not how a lady is supposed to act.
Quest Love, drummer for hip hopband the Roots and a fan of the
program, authored a bookchronicling soul train titled
soul train the music, dance andstyle of a generation, and was
published in 2013 quest love iseverywhere too yes I thought
that's a bad thing, but he iseverywhere rosie perez, demita,

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joe freeman, darnell williams,cheryl song, louis ski, car
alfie lewis, pat davis, madamebutterfly, elise mikhail, andrea
and miles carmen electra, nickcannon, vivica a fox, mc hammer,
jermaine stewart, heatherhunter, fred berry, la Laurieann
Gibson, pebbles and NFL legendWalter Payton were among those

(46:12):
who got noticed dancing on theprogram over the years Walter
Payton.
Well, didn't he win a Dancingwith the Stars?

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, no.
Who did he play for?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
The.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Bears yeah, that's what I thought.
Did he do the shuffle?

Speaker 2 (46:28):
No, he's the only one that would refuse to do it.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
And then he went on soldiering.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
And you can learn about that on our Super Bowl
episode, which was somethingabout a superb owl, because you
can't say Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, and also, while we're talking about Super Bowls
, we get to drop the banner withDallas in town on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Taylor Swift got a ring before Dallas.
Two former dancers, jody Watleyand Jeffrey Daniel, enjoyed
years of success as members ofthe R&B group Shalmar.
Jeffrey Daniel enjoyed years ofsuccess as members of the R&B

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group Shalmar after they werechosen by Soul Train talent
Booker, record producer DickGriffey and Cornelius to replace
the group's original sessionsingers in 1978.
Each musical guest usuallyperformed twice on each program.
After the first number, theywere joined by the program host
on stage for a beef interview.
Soul Train was also known fortwo popular catchphrases
referring to itself as thehippest trip in America at the
beginning of the show andclosing the program with and you

(47:40):
can bet your last money.
It's all going to be a stonegas honey.
That's right.
I'm Dawn, cornelius, and, asalways in parting, we wish you
love, peace and soul.
In 2019, bet selected varioushistoric guest stars as most
memorable Soul Trainperformances.
The lists include Gladys Knightand the Jackson 5, among others

(48:04):
.
In 1985, cornelius gavepermission for a version of the
show in the United Kingdom.
In 1985, cornelius gavepermission for a version of the
show in the United Kingdom.
The British version, hosted byformer Soul Train dancer and
member of Shalimar, jeffreyDaniel, was titled 620 Soul
Train and ran for one series onChannel 4.
In 87, soul Train launched theSoul Train Music Awards, which
honored the top performances onR&B, hip Hop and Gospel Music.

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Soul Train then produced theshort-lived soul train comedy
awards in 93, which discontinuedthat same year.
It also created two annualspecials the soul train lady of
soul awards, first airing in 95,celebrated top achievements by
female performers, and the soultrain christmas star fest, which
premiered in featuring holidaymusic performed by a variety of

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R&B and gospel artists.
The Lady of Soul Awards andChristmas Starfest programs last
aired in 2005 before emergingagain years later.
In April 2008,.
Don Cornelius announced thatyear's Soul Train Music Awards
ceremony had been cancelled.
He cited the Writers Guild ofAmerica strike as one of the

(49:13):
reasons.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Speaking of music awards, I think that's what you
were talking about.
Whichever music awards arecoming up maybe it's MTV, it's
not the Grammys, because I thinkGrammys and Oscars and all
those fall in January, february,after the Super.
Bowl is when they go, so itmust be MTV.
But they're giving away thefirst Latin Achievement Award

(49:39):
and Ricky Martin is getting it.
I know, something about RickyMartin Leah.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Look at that.
I gotta move on here.
I gotta get off the soul train.
It's so hard though.
My last thing about the soultrain is in 2024, a fantasy
comedy film, beetlejuice.
Beetlejuice included a sequencethat pays direct homage to the
show, including a group ofpeople in the afterlife dancing

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on a train platform as theyawait the arrival of the soul
train Yep, conducted by anentity strongly resembling
Cornelius, as music evocative ofSoul Train's theme played on
the soundtrack.
So did not think I was going tobe going this long.
Solid Gold, hosted by DionneWarwick and Marilyn McCoo as
well as others, I hadn't eventhought of that one Hosted by.

(50:26):
Dionne Warwick and Marilyn McCoo, as well as others.
I hadn't even thought of thatone.
It's an American syndicatedmusic television program that
debuted on September 13th 1980and ran until July 23rd 1988.
The program was a production ofBrad Lechman Productions in
association with OperationPrimetime and Paramount Domestic
Television.
Domestic television.

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Solid Gold featured a weeklyrundown of the top 10 hits in
the pop cult charts for the week, similar to America's Top 10,
which also premiered in 1980.
It also featured music artistsperforming their hits in studio
in the vein of AmericanBandstand.
Although there were some caseswhere a song was actually
performed live, like on AmericanBandstand, artists featured on

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Solid Gold would almost alwaysperform lip-syncing over a
record of their song.
In fact, on most of the firstfive seasons of episodes, the
only song that was sung live wasthe show's theme song, which
was written by AcademyAward-winning songwriter Dean
Pitchford, doing along withMichael Miller.
One thing Solid Gold had thatits counterparts counterparts

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lacked was a dance troupe thatperformed heavily choreographed
routines to the songs featuredon the weekly countdown.
The solid gold dancers, as theycame, became, came to be known
were led for the most part, yeah, by Darcelle Wyand, who had
previously performed theatricalin several musicals and in films

(51:51):
such as Xanadu.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Oh, I love Xanadu.
It's so funny though.
I remember Solid Gold.
I remember Dionne Warwickhosted it.
I remember the Solid Golddancers, but I cannot picture
that show like the stage or anepisode for the life of me.
I can't either.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Dionne Warwick was the original host of the program
, hosting for the first season.
Warwick's involvement with theprogram actually began seven
months before it premiered inearly 80.
A one-off special wascommissioned to honor the
performers behind the top songson the 79 pop chart titled solid
gold 79 and taped at NBCstudios.
Warwick and Glenn Campbellhosted the program.
The reception from viewers ledto Solid Gold being picked up

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for the fall of 1980 as a weeklyseries produced by Operation
Primetime for ParamountTelevision Services.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
All right.
So I have a funny GlennCampbell story.
That is just a very smalllittle memory, but I was a
little kid.
My mom had a friend I don'teven think she lived in the
state.
We were visiting her and shewas a nurse and she said she had
not right now.
This was like back in the 70s,like seriously, like the statute

(53:00):
of limitations is over.
But Glenn Campbell was in herhospital and she had to take him
in the elevator and he wasunconscious on his oh and she
took a little peeky peek at whatwas under the sheet and I was
too young to even know what thatmeant.
But I still remember the story.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Yeah, well, I can't say ablamer.
I mean not Glenn Campbell, butI get it.
Yeah, it's just you and him inthe elevator, until you start
telling everybody that'ssomething you're supposed to
keep to yourself.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Take it to the grave kids.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, especially don't tell it in front of a
child, because they repeateverything.
Even at 52 years old they stillrepeat it.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I know my mom, if she ever listened to any of the
Dragon's Dream episode, shewould punch me in the face.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Oh, thank God, she won't.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
No, she will never, never In 1981, Warwick was
replaced by Marilyn McCoo,formerly of the Fifth Dimension,
as host, with Andy Gibb joiningas her co-host.
The pairing only lasted oneyear as Gibb's continued issue
with substance abuse forcedParamount to fire him.
Actor Rex Smith took over forGibb in 82, while McCoo hosted

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the 83-84 season by herself.
Rick Dees, I know the host ofthe weekly Top 40 radio
countdown show, joined SolidGoal in the fall of 84 and
hosted until the summer of 85.
After a series of guest hostsfilled out the summer months,
Dionne Warwick returned as hostin the fall of 85 and remained
until the end of the season.

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Marilyn McCoo returned in 86and was joined by former MTV
host Nina Blackwood.
Arsenio Hall, who had been apart of the show since 1984, was
promoted to serve as a secondco-host.
All three would remain in theseroles until Solid Gold came to
an end in July of 88.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, they just hit that wall where nobody was
watching them anymore.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Los Angeles disc jockey Robert W Morgan was the
original announcer for SolidGold, running for seven seasons
before leaving in 86.
W Morgan was the originalannouncer for Solid Goal,
running for seven seasons beforeleaving in 86.
Charlie O'Donnell, theannouncer for American Bandstand
, replaced Morgan but onlystayed on until the end of 86-87
season, with Chuck Rileystanding in for one episode.
The final season was announcedby Dick Tufield Approximately

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halfway through each program.
The show broke format brieflyfor a stand-up comedy
performance.
Comedian Marty Cohen was anearly regular featured performer
on Solid Gold, as was WaylonFlowers.
Arsenio Hall was a regularperformer before taking over as
co-host in 86, while othercomedians featured included Jeff
Altman and Byron Allen.

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For the 87-88 season, theformat was overhauled entirely,
with the focus instead being onperformances rather than the
weekly countdown.
The show changed its name tosolid gold in concert for the
year to indicate the newemphasis.
While solid gold dancers stillwere a part of the proceedings,
they did not perform as oftenover the course of a program due

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to more time being given to theweek's featured performer.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Like you'd think I would remember the Solid Gold
dancers, because dance is mything, and like I remember the
Living Color dancers, likethat's where I fell in love with
Jennifer Lopez, although Idon't really care for her
anymore, but for a long time Idid.
I know, I remember.
I think she's just become anasshole now, but whatever, maybe
she's not, I don't know, Idon't know her.

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She was a good fly girl, shewas, and she was in a Janet
Jackson video.
That's the way love goes Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, Mm-hmm, mm-hmm
.
That's when she was Jenny fromthe block.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
She was Jenny from the block any problem.
She no longer is now she's afull-blown diva, yeah dancing on
air broadcasts from october12th 1981 to december 31st 1987
I remember dancing on air too.
The program reached seven eastcoast states.
It was usually broadcast livemonday through friday wphl tv

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studios in philadelphia, butoccasionally broadcast live on
location from other locationssuch as Penn's Landing in
Philadelphia, Ocean City, NewJersey, Wildwood, New Jersey,
Six Flags, Great Adventure,Dorney Park and Wildwater
Kingdom and Hershey Park.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
And they really branched out.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Known for its chaotic energy and DIY.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Nothing more than a half hour drive for us to do
these.
Known for its chaotic energyand DIY, nothing more than a
half hour drive for us to dothese.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Known for its chaotic , energy and DIY aesthetic,
dancing on Air was a televisionwas a 1980s television dance
music reality show.
It was the forerunner of the TVshow Dance Party USA of the
same genre.
Both shows were produced andcreated by Michael Neese and his
father Frank.
The show started with $100,000from a small group of investors

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that included the Tonight Showband leader, doc Severinsen oh,
I remember him.
The program earned 128% returnon investment within the first
six months.
Dancing on Air was shot live atWPHL TV channel 17 studios in
Philadelphia.
The production staff worked outof the nice production offices
and studios located in Camden,new Jersey.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah, don't go to Camden, Do not go to Camden.
I got lost in Camden after aconcert once at like midnight.
We had seen John Mayer and Trainof all things, and now I am
lost in Camden and the person Iwent with was schnockered and so
and I'm horrible withdirections, so I literally I
literally was just drivingaround the same block, it was

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like, oh look, it's Big Ben,because I had no idea there was
this building I'll never forgetand it had some sort of light
feature on it for whatever, andit would change colors, and it
was a skyscraper and that was mybig ben.
I just kept fucking drivingpast that thing like I don't
know what's gonna happen here,but keep the doors locked.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
That's all I know in 1986, dancing on air was
syndicated by kdoc tv in losangeles.
The show doubledDOC's ratingsin its first week and was then
picked up by the fledgling USANetwork.
Shortly thereafter, USA Networkhired the Nieces to produce
Dance Party USA for the network.

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Two years later, Michael Niecelearned from USA Network that
his production company waschosen over Dick Clark to
produce Dance Party USA for theUSA Network During the 86 and
87,.
The dance and on-air studio andset was the same one used for
Dance Party USA.
As a result, during the 86-87season audiences saw the same

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regulars, guest dancers andcelebrities on both shows on the
same day, that's so sad.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I don't remember Dance Party USA.
Okay, that's so sad.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I don't remember Dance Party USA.
Okay, so the studio, it's nottechnically in when they filmed.
It was not technically inPhiladelphia.
Okay, it was just outside.
Okay, right near my aunt'shouse.
Oh, yeah, oh didn't you go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
I wanted to go and no one would let me Meanies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
God damn it.
I could have been on Dancing onthe Air.
Parents just don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
No man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Some of the adult hosts of the show included Eddie
Bruce, Bill O'Brien, ChrisTrain, Andy Gurry, Annette
Godfrey, Christy Springfield,Mike Rossi, DJ Mike Rossi and
Dave Raymond, the originalPhilly fanatic.
I wasn't sure if it wasAmerican Bandstand or this one.
That's a fun fact.
Yeah, Mike Rossi was a formerdancer who transitioned to being

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a host in 86, became one of theyoungest hosts of a live daily
television program in AmericanTV history.
Regular dancers included KellyRipa and Tom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Verica.
I can't stand Kelly Ripa.
I'm sorry, I don't know she'stoo.
They are cute though.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Whatever Move on Performers on Dancing on the Air
, some of whom also appeared onDance Party.
Usa included Madonna in 83, herfirst television appearance,
Will Smith as DJ Jazzy Jeff andthe Fresh Prince.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Parents just don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Duran Duran with their first American TV
appearance, minuto, including ayoung Ricky Martin, stevie
Wonder.
Now here's where it kind ofgoes off the rails for me Nine
Inch Nails, the Jets New Edition, sweet Sensation, ll Cool J
Exposé, jody Watley, new Kids onthe Block and many other

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popular recording artists of theera, and I'm sorry, but Nine
Inch Nails does not fit in anyof them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I guess Trent Reznor has soul.
I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Have you seen at the Philadelphia show recently,
which I did not know they weregoing to be in Philadelphia,
Otherwise we'd have been going.
Trent Reznor got distractedbecause there was a guy dressed
as Santa crowd surfing yeah.
And in the middle of head likea hole.
Trent just busts out laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Is he from Philly?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I don't know, I don't know where Trent's from.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I'm Googling right now because I heard a Madonna
song the other day.
I hadn't heard in a long timeand I can't remember which one
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
So we did take a little teeny tiny break, and
Trent Reznor is from the areaMercer, pennsylvania, and I'm
also guessing that I must haveseen him on there and that is
why I wanted to be on there.
Yeah, no doubt, big giant, nineInch Nails fan Huge.
The show's theme song waswritten by Philadelphia

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writer-producer Dan McCowan andMichael Neese.
The song was published by NeeseProductions Inc.
Dan was also responsible forthe show's entertainment
division.
Dancing On Air would giveselected unknown bands and
artists an opportunity toperform in front of millions of
dedicated viewers and wasresponsible for launching the
career of some today's majorsuperstars.
On July 23rd 2011, phl 17re-aired Dancing On Air as part

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of a special marathoncelebrating the show's 30th
anniversary.
During the marathon, specialvignettes were featured, with
former regular dancers, host ofthe show and executive producer
michael neece sharing theirmemories, experience and
thoughts from the show, and alsotalked about how the show
became a major influence and howit changed their lives.
On november 4th 2011, mike ross, rossi, princess Jimmy Jam,

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andy Gurry and Eddie Brucehosted a 30th reunion dance
party celebration.
The show was rated number onein its time slot Damn.
On March 6th 2012, wphlannounced that Dancing on Air
would return to the air on March31st, where it would air
Saturday mornings at 10 am.
Wrdw has been tapped as theofficial radio station for the

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program.
Core group members includeBrittany Taylor, dan Marie, a
bunch of other people that Idon't know anything about.
On January 27th 2016, dancingon Air returned to television on
the cable music channel Fuse TV.
The show was co-executive,produced by Michael Neese and
Crystal Ebertz, and directed byMichael Neese and Rob Schwartz.

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There was a reality show basedon Dancing on Air called
Saturday Morning Fever, whichalso aired on Fuse TV, but
executive producer Michael Neese, christy Everts and Tom Foreman
relatively real.
Both shows lasted only oneseason.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yeah, I was going to say they were really trying to
hold on to something that youknow beating a dead horse there.
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Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
So we'll just briefly go over Dance Party USA because
, like I just said, it wasfilmed in the same place with
the same people.
Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, there's really not much to
talk about with that one.
It was syndicated in 86.
But some, it's all the samehosts.

(01:05:46):
It's pretty much exactly thesame show, except it was called
something different.
Okay, one little fun fact,other than Kelly Ripa was on
there for three years as adancer segment host.
In 90 she landed what would beher most recognizable acting

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role, hayley Vaughn on All myChildren.
In 90, she landed what would beher most recognizable acting
role, haley Vaughn, on All myChildren.
Heather Henderson, known asBaby Heather on the show, is a
professional burlesque singer,model filmmaker, producer and
host for Arden Atheists andSkeptically Yours podcast.
That sounds fun.
I know I have to look it up.
She currently is a member ofPenn Jillette's no Good Band and
is a vocal activist for atheismand against psychics.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
It's so random.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
They're like if you ever see their show in Vegas oh,
I don't know if they still doit they show you exactly how
psychics do it.
I mean, he does it so perfectlyto a random person in the
audience.
It's like, wow, I fucking lovepen and and teller.
I know he was on trump's but oh, I didn't know that.

(01:06:55):
But yeah he was on the show.
I don't know if he's a.
He's an atheist.
I know that yeah, they arepretty awesome.
Now this one, I believe, is thelast one, okay, oh no it's?
no, it's not, but it is.
It's the last long one and it'sprobably well.
We all collectively rememberthe best Club MTV hosted by

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downtown Julie Brown from August31, 1987 to June 26, 1992.
Club MTV was part of MTV'ssecond generation of programming
, as the channel was phasing outits original five VJs and
introducing new ones.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Remember when MTV had two VJs named Julie Brown?
Yes, like, why didn't they justhave one of them change their
name?
I don't well.
Well, the Club TV, julie Brownwas the first one, and then
there was a Redhead or something.
There was a Redhead?
Yes, why didn't they make herchange her name?
I don't know.
I mean, it wasn't confusing,but it was just weird.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Hosted by downtown Julie Brown.
Kevin Seal hosted the pilot atthe Palladium, a large dance
club in New York City.
The show cut back and forthbetween teenagers and young
adults dancing to a hit musicvideo.
Musical guests often introducedtheir brand new singles.
From this came her famouscatchphrase, wubba Wubba, wubba,
wubba, wubba, wubba, after sheaccidentally read the t-shirt of

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a camera guy who was holdingthe cue cards while on live TV.
In July 89, mtv launched a ClubMTV tour featuring Was Not Was
Information Society, paula Abdul, tone Loke and Milli Vanilli,
with downtown Julie Brown andthe Club MTV dancers.
And again, what the hell wasInformation Society doing in

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there?

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Yeah, but I loved.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Paula Abdul, I want to know, what you're thinking,
information Society in there.
What you're thinking,information Society in there.
In 1991, tommy Boy Recordsreleased the album Club MTV
Party to Go Volume 1 on CD,cassette, vinyl and Laserdisc.
The songs were continuouslymixed.
The track list is Turn thisMother Out by MC Hammer.

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Poison by Belle Viv Devoe FeelsGood by Tony Tony Tony, knocked
Out by Paul Hammer.
Poison by Belle Viv DeLoe FeelsGood by Tony Tony Tony, knocked
Out by Paul Abdul.
Think by Information Society.
Play that Funky Music byVanilla Ice.
Tom's Diner.
By DNA featuring Susanna Vega.
Knockin' Boots.
By Candyman.

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The Humpty Dance by DigitalUnderground yes, the Humpty
Dance by Digital Underground,yes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Remember Digital Underground and the pool hall
when we went to UD.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
So funny story about the Humpty Dance.
My sister, when she got olderand had her house, she got
chickens and one of them turnedout to be a rooster.
They try and give you all girls, but I guess one ended Anyway.
So because they didn't know hewas a rooster, they, they, they
try and give you all girls, butI guess one and anyway.
So because they didn't know hewas a rooster until way later,
they named him mrs doubtfire andmrs doubtfire would do the most

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hilarious dances to the ladies.
So my sister, every time hewould start she would sing the
Humpty Dance because that'sexactly what it looked like and
that was exactly her music.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Yes, she was a sucker for a song with a dance to it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yeah, because he did limp to the side like his leg
was broken.
Oh, that's awesome.
He did the humpty dance and soevery time she'd have to, she
would stop what she was doing ohdon't want to fall in love by
jane child personal jesus bydepeche mode.
March 20th 2005, vh1 classicaired a marathon of old club mtv

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episodes.
On april 25th 2020 2020, mtvbrought Club MTV back for a
special titled Club MTV DanceTogether, hosted by D-Nice and
Kiki Palmer.
The one night only event servedas a fundraising benefit to
help music programs during thecoronavirus pandemic.
Also, I wanted to say, becausewhen I was doing this,

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especially the Club MTV one, Iwas like you know why?

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
was it a thing that we had our own clubs?
Yeah, teenagers, yeah, I was 16.
Under 21 clubs I was 16.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Under 21 clubs were literally everywhere.
Yeah, it's insane.
Yeah, like you cannot find onenow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
I mean and I love how they acted like we wouldn't be
drinking and smoking weed andtaking drugs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
They just dropped.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
They were like, oh, it's safe, they're under 21.
They're good yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
I mean I was driving so nobody had to drop me off,
but a lot of kids just gotdropped.
I mean, yeah, we had two here,one in Rehoboth and one in Ocean
City, yep, and the one in OceanCity was called Nightlight and
the one in Rehoboth was calledRock Lobster first, and then it
changed its name to Accelerate.
That's where we went Accelerate, although I did go to

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Nightlight.
It was stupid, but whatever.
But we're in summer areas whereit's a lot of tourists in the
summer, so people would just lettheir kids.
And then I remember once wewere in disney world and they
had an under 21 club and my momand dad, just that's our

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generation, just put, ourparents were just like hey, I go
on, don't get kidnapped.
We had our own dance clubs guys.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
I'll pick you up sometime.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
They don't do that anymore.
They don't have their under 21.
They probably shouldn't, no.
They don't have their under 21clubs.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
It's not a pure environment.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
So some lesser known ones that I had never actually
heard of are known ones that Ihad never actually heard of.
Future Shock, 1976 to 1979,hosted by James Brown himself,
was filmed in Georgia, focusedon emerging Black dance styles,
music and history.
Included dance contests,interviews and segments on
African American culture.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Oh, that sounds interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
The Buddy Dean Show 1957 to 1964.
One market non-broadcastingbandstand was ABC's then
Baltimore affiliate, wjz,channel 13.
Jay-z, you don't remember WJZ.
You might not have gottenPhilly.
You probably got Philadelphiachannels.
Yeah, we got Baltimore and DC.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Yes, because I lived in Sussex County with my mom,
but we only had an antenna andthree channels.
My dad had the cable, so thatwould have been Philadelphia,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I got our cable was Baltimore and Washington, so we
had WJZ.
Okay, anyway, it chose toproduce its own local dance show
in the same afternoon time slot.
Local radio disc jockey BuddyDean was chosen as the host of
the Buddy Dean show.
It began a daily two-hourbroadcast on september 9th 1957.

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This led to competition betweenamerican bandstand and the
buddy dean show.
When performers who debuted onbandstand first appeared on
dean's program, they were askedto not mention their prior
appearance with clark.
The Buddy Dean Show aired untilJanuary 4th 1964.
It featured the committee, agroup of regular teen dancers,
and it was canceled due torefusal to integrate black and
white dancers.

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And it is also the inspirationfor the movie and subsequent
stage program Hairspray.
Oh, because he's from Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Club Dance 91 to 99, a country western dance show on
the Nashville Network was filmedin Knoxville, tennessee, with a
mix of line dancing, two-stepand swing, featuring real people
, not actors, often retirees andregional dancers.
And I do remember that people,not actors, often retirees and
regional dancers.
And I do remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
And Gen X would all be very good on that show,
because we all learned how tosquare dance in elementary
school.
We did, we did.
You are not wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Electric Circus 88-2003 is a Canadian show on
Much Music, filmed in Toronto.
Mixed live club dancing withmusic video countdowns.
Known for its rave-inspiredfashion and multicultural cast,
the Canadians came in hot withthe rave.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Those crazy Canadians .

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
And then the final one is and I remember this one
Videopolis 87-89 was on theDisney Channel dance show aimed
at tweens and teens.
Featured choreographed routinesto pop hits, often with Disney
stars.
A strange but fascinating blendof Mickey Mouse Club energy and
Top 40 vibes.
My kids love Mickey Mouse Club,so With Britney and Justin

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Timberlake.
I don't know why, I justtotally had a blank on it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
I don't remember the videology.
You said it was calledVideopolis Videopolis, but I
definitely didn't have DisneyChannel.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Well, you didn't have kids.
Then it was 87 to 89.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Yeah, and I wouldn't have been watching Disney at my
dad's house.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I did watch a lot of MTV.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
I want to say that they aired it.
I don't.
I guess we did have the Disneychannel.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
I guess Disney stuff used to just be on network TV
back then.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
ABC oh, I don't know if it was ABC.
They bought ABC.
They ended up buying ABC.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
What was the Wonderful World of Disney on
Sunday nights?
Was that ABC?

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
I don't know, I ABC, I don't know, I feel, like we
did talk about that once andthen I don't know.
I think we did too.
I'm sure we're going to repeatourselves 118 times At least.
So if you're like binging this,I'm so sorry.
So that is dance, dance dancing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
That was super fun Dance shows.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
What a great topic.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Thanks, I thought it was fun and we're getting into.
You know it's it's septembernow and the weather has been, I
mean, just fucking fantasticit's perfect.
It is perfect if it was likethis all the time here.
Yeah, man, yeah, it's just,it's just been amazing and we're

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getting you know.
All the TV shows start back upand new shows.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
There's nothing to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
So I thought we'd just give her a little go-go.
I like it.
So thank you for listening.
You can find us on all thesocials where you should tell us
about your favorite dance show,or whether or not you think
Nine Inch Nails should have beenon Dance Party USA or Dancing
in the USA, or any dance party.

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I don't really think Especiallyback then it had to be like
headlight.
I mean I can't fathom it no.
It's not Dance Muse, it'sindustrial's industrial whatever
it's mosh pit.
Where were they?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
I had my knees busted so many times standing on the
outer circle of the mosh pit tohead like a hole.
I mean I can still picture,smell, see all of it at
accelerate.
When head like a hole came on,it's like everybody's head perks
up like what?
In position, and the guys wentinto the mosh pit and everybody
else circled around, people thatwere scared.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
When ministry would follow Every time.
I can smell the club because Ican smell the cloves.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Yes, fucking miss cloves so much that place was so
smoky and they did not have asmoke machine.
They did not it was all thegoth kids.
We smoke a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
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