Vietnam, Not Just Your Parents War

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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Welcome to Like Whatever a podcast for.
By and about Gen X, I'm Nicoleand this is my BFF, heather Hola
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always are.

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A lot of respect.

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Yeah, yeah, a lot of respectanyway, um, your week I have had
a week, it's a week, it's andit's tuesday, so I'm into the
next week I'm having a secondweek since the last time we saw
you okay, all right.

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I didn't even tell you this.
We have been talking for liketwo hours already and I have to
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No, you wouldn't.
So the Edgar Allen Postspeakeasy is in Dover this
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Oh nice, I know, so I'm going,but all right, so I'm going to
tell you the bad news first.
Okay, it starts at 10 o'clockat night.

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What is up with that 10 o'clock?
That's too late.
Like I'm going to have to comehome from work and take a nap,
take a nap, that's a nap.
Before I go.
But yeah, I'm excited.
They read four Poe stories indramatic fashion and there is a

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cocktail to pair with each story.
It's out in like the country,on like a farm, which makes me a
little nervous.
But but the big concern is Idon't know what to wear um, it's
a safe bet to go with black Iwas gonna say you could pretty
much wear anything you own I'm aless.

(03:19):
I mean I do have like a plainblack dress, but like it's from
old navy, like seriously, it'snot that I mean black is black
is black.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
I mean I get my shit from old navy too yeah, I guess
I can.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
I was thinking about that dress and some black tights
and some black boots, and thendo my makeup up.
Good, they have these tightslook so tiktok shop.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
And stupid, not she and but the other one timu.
They just send all the shit andevery one of it.
I'm like, oh my god I want thatso bad oh my.
So currently my obsession and Ican't.
I cannot justify buying itbecause I cannot justify wearing
it at 50 years old.
It's.

(04:02):
They're fake, not fake, they'relike fishnets to the knee okay
and then from the knee downthey're like just regular tights
and then they have um like afaux garter that goes from the
knee up.
That sounds so cute they'refucking amazing and so my
thought process on that.

(04:23):
I have not bought them yet.
I'm very close to doing it, butthen I saw you remember, which
I was never, because I wasalways heavier, I never had the
balls to wear them.
But now I don't fucking care,the black ruffly shorts, shorts

(04:45):
like the little bloomers yes thelolita situation you'd be so
cute I know with that, but thenI'm with those tights.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yes, yeah where am I gonna wear that to the serial
killer thing?

Speaker 2 (04:59):
and then, like I was thinking, like a corset top.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
But again, look, I go to work, I come home and put my
pajamas on.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I door dash in my pajamas.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I work in my pajamas.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
So you need a nice fancy, cute outfit, I guess, to
watch your event.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
All right, maybe I will buy it.
Okay, you should.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Okay, so this week I was listening to no, I can't
remember if it was npr on theevening news, but, um, I just
wanted to share this.
Um, celiac kisses.
So they did a study, they spentmoney, yeah, to figure out
uh-huh if your partner ate breaduh-huh and then kissed you

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afterward right, would it causea reaction?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I can tell you that?
How am I gonna put this nicely?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
if you're married to someone who has celiacs, you're
probably not getting kissesanyway no, I wasn't gonna say
that.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
What I was gonna say is I know for a fact that if
your significant other eatsshellfish and you're allergic to
shellfish or peanuts, they cankill you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yes, celiacs gives you a bellyache.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I'm just saying I hate, look, I hate.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
We have celiac trauma .
So yes, we're not meaning tooffend.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I have allergy trauma .
Like, okay, I hate the peanutpeople, I hate people who are
allergic to peanuts.
As somebody who is allergic toshellfish definitely allergic to
shellfish and live at the beachwhere 99.9% of the restaurants
thecdonald's has crab cakes,everywhere has seafood.
Not a single fuck is given tothe people with shellfish.

(06:53):
You're just supposed to justavoid it.
How?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I have no idea.
Shellfish is literally steamed,yes, which means it's literally
being floated into the airwalking into a seafood buffet
can literally kill me.
So Heather can't go and orderchicken fingers because they
probably just made some friedclams and fried shrimp in there,
Exactly so.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
But peanut people.
You can't take a peanut butterand jelly outside your house
ever for any reason, because thebreeze might pick it up and
somebody who is allergic topeanuts three miles away could
die and that's totally fair.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Like what if I'm out of work training and there's 100
people there and I packed mylunch for the day and I brought
a peanut butter and justsandwich, because it's cheap,
yes, and easy to take.
Now what?
I'm getting sued.
And seriously and I'm nottrying to make fun because I
know kids die from peanuts andI'm not making light of it but

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was it a thing when we were kids?
I mean, this is the Gen Xquestion in me.
It's weird because I mean Iknow we didn't have social media
back then, so you didn'tprobably know as much.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
But we all took peanut butterand jelly sandwiches to school,
all of us, and I don't knowanybody who died.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Or we got served it in the cafeteria.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yes, and I don't know who died from it.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
No, that's what I'm saying.
I don't know how peanutallergies came.
I mean, maybe the allergy hasevolved, I don't know, maybe
it's something else in thepeanut butter and not the
peanuts.
It could be.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I know that, when you , I was not allergic to
shellfish until I was 10.
Right, and it is when it isintroduced to your body a
different way than normal andyour body is like what the fuck
is that?
For whatever reason, she wasinjecting it.
Mainlining, mainlining crab meat, snorting it, doing lines of

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crab meat right, snorting it,doing lines of crab meat um, I
don't I.
I cut my hand and they werecooking it at the same time.
That's how it happened to me.
That's how it happened to myuncle too.
He cut his hand on crap.
How it has evolved into what Ihave.
Because my allergist was likeyeah, I've never seen anybody

(09:06):
that is allergic to everything,and usually you have either
shellfish or fish, but I haveall of it.
And you love all of it I doEverything in the ocean can and
will kill me, not even just frombiting me, and she lives on the
beach.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And tries for DoorDash For seafood restaurants
.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I almost died doing that Picked up steamed shrimp.
I had to cook it my whole life.
Yeah, I mean, my sister wouldkick me out of the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
You had to eat a red lobster.
I had to eat it.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Because nobody wanted cheddar biscuits.
Zero things to eat at redlobster without celiacs, yeah,
so before we get any moretrouble on that one.
Yeah, I just the allergy peopledrive me nuts because well,
you're a chef or a cook or achef, and so you have to hear
all the whiny so when we had therestaurant, all I had to hear

(10:05):
about was how, oh well, theyneed to be very careful and my
sister would get so angry aboutthat.
She's like, my sister isallergic, don't you worry, we
are very, we are very.
We did take allergies veryseriously, even though I had to
cook the shrimp scampi all thetime.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Who cares if you live ?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
No one.
As long as the customer ishappy.
So Well, who cares if you live?
No one, as long as the customeris happy.
So I don't know how peanutallergies became such a thing
that they are now.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, maybe I'll look into that and share it on the
podcast one day because I'm justcurious about it.
I mean, I'm not saying itdidn't happen back then, I'm
just saying I didn't knowanything about it back then.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I was too busy worrying about my own allergy.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I didn't really give a shit about anybody else.
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I'm going to do my damnedest,and you know what?
I'm going to apologize up front.
I am today.
I am in rare form.
She is.
I incriminated myself earlier.
But we love rare form, heather.
I mean rare form she is.
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I incriminated myself earlier, but we love rare form.
I mean, I mean rare form.
Yeah, yeah, she is, I was yeahthat's why we had to talk for
two hours before we got on.
Yeah, and it'll get it out ofmy system we are also on youtube
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Talk.

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Right, alright, so this week weare going to fuck around and
find out about Vietnam.
So as we said, it is a serioussubject.
This week we are going to fuckaround and find out about

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Vietnam.
So, um, as we, as we said, itis a serious subject and I am
not here to really talk aboutall the controversial stuff that
happened in it.
Um, my husband and I this weekwatched, um the Netflix special
turning point.
It's a documentary, it's fiveepisodes an hour and 20 minutes
per episode, and I read itsomewhere as described as a no

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holds barred look at Vietnam.
So it is gut wrenching, it isdevastating, it's a lot.
But I was realizing as I waswatching it that I know names
and places and things andtimelines are not timelines,

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that's the thing.
So I kind of just wanted tokind of put everything
chronologically together for us.
We, as gen x, were very young,I, I, yeah, we were but.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I think, a lot of what our whole existence was is
really because our parents wentto vietnam yeah our, our, you
know yeah, I agree it's.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
It really affected so many men in such a harsh way
and one of the hardest parts onon the documentary and you know
I I don't remember the wholething, but the um the guy was
like.
You know, I came home after myyear and I stepped off the plane
and my mom and my dad and mysiblings and my friends,

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everybody ran to greet me and Iwas so happy to see them and
they were all so happy to see me.
But I was not the same person.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I just got goosebumps thinking about it and he's just
crying as he's saying I did aterm paper on the difference of
ptsd in world war ii vets andworld and vietnam vets did you
do that in high school?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I did.
Wow, yeah, that's a prettyintense paper for high school,
it was.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
I went to private school, remember.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, we did things different.
I'm surprised they cared aboutmental health there, though you
know what else I did also.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Not to get off subject, but my senior paper was
on the pagan imagery inShakespeare's Macbeth.
Oh, I'll bet your catholicprivate schools.
It wasn't, oh okay well, that'swhy I can do it.
They were very religious andnow it was the, it was my senior
paper was on animal rights verydifferent.

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Um.
So yeah, I did do thedifferences of the vietnam vet
and um world war ii.
Of course, their age was thebiggest, one of the biggest.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
The kids going to Vietnam were just babies, yeah,
literally in the documentary oneof the things, because it has a
lot of everybody in it, whichis another thing that makes it
good it has on-the-groundsoldiers.
And this one guy was literally18 years old, graduated high
school.
Three days later he was invietnam with a gun in his hand,

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like a child, just a child.
Think about the 18 year olds inyour life right now or that
you've known like.
That's insane to me and theyweren't any different than kids
are now.
It's not like, see, I work withhigh schoolers and I have a
different feeling on okay, thatkids are soft but you work with

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different kids than that is trueyou're not working with
obstacles.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yes, yes you're not working with who appreciate
actually from.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I'm working with kids who appreciate what they get
because they have to work harderfor it.
Yes, so, but um yeah, yeah, um,be it fucking so.
And then there are like seniorofficers and there are
vietnamese, um, uh, people,mostly women, um, who were
soldiers, um, well, that wasanother thing about the

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differences between world war IIand Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
It was the first time that guerrilla warfare was
really All hands on deck, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I mean, if you can walk, here's a gun yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
It was everybody and that was what was a problem for
the soldiers coming back,because you know in World War.
Ii, it was this side, it wasn'teven so much then it was
soldier versus soldier.
Yeah and you were in yourbunker and they were in their
bunker and you, you know, atnight you stopped and you know
it was in vietnam.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
You were walking into little huts and and people
children and burning it down and, yeah, murdering everyone.
Yeah, um, so yeah.
And then they have, like, blackVietnam soldiers, they have
Asian American soldiers thatwent to Vietnam.

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So lots of differentperspectives.
They have this activist onthere and she's amazing, like
she was really in the heart ofit.
I'm pretty sure she was at KentState when it happened.
Yeah, really in the heart of it, she.
I pretty sure she was at Kentstate when it happened.
Yeah, and but you know herperspective of it.
You know cause, back then, eveneven with that, you know we

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talked about Heather and Italked earlier about how the
soldiers were mistreated, buthow the protesters were
mistreated, and the protestersweren't wrong, and to hear this
woman's perspective of why shewas, it wasn't just like, oh,
free love, fuck you, I'm gonnasmoke some weed and you
shouldn't go to war.
It wasn't like that, like thesepeople, their brothers and

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friends and relatives, weregetting shipped over there and
they didn't want them going andthey didn't come back or they
came back but fucked up, right,never, ever the same again, yeah
.
So yeah, it's, it's a whole lotof perspectives, it's not?
I felt like it was prettyhistorical and not opinionated
right um, and the opinions arethe people who were down there

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in the fucking thick of it.
So screw you if you don't liketheir opinions, um, but yeah, it
it's very good.
And again, and I'll share thisagain, at the end it is called
I'm making sure I'm rightTurning Point.
Yes, turning Point on Netflix.
All right, so some of my stuffthis week comes from there and

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some from Britannicacom and somefrom Britannicacom.
So what I wanted to do, like Isaid, is just kind of go through
all the steps of whateverything happened.
That was there, because whateverything happened is a real
sentence.
I'm going to try and bring somedark humor to the whole thing,
yeah, you know that we're goingto, but we know respect better

(18:43):
than we even know dark humor.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I don't know about that.
Okay, yeah, I'm pretty darktoday.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, Heather can edit it out if it gets too bad.
That's true, I have the power.
Oh, the things you could haveheard.
No, just kidding Actually.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
I don't have that much editing, I don't really.
You pretty much hear it all.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, it's true.
So all right, let's get started.
So April 30th 2025 marked the50th anniversary of the fall of
Saigon, which was the end ofSouth Vietnam and the conclusion
of the Vietnam War.
The Vietnam War ran from 1954to 1975, and I don't think I

(19:26):
knew it was really that long.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
The only reason I knew is because I have seen my
baby book and my mom has writtenin there I was the firstborn,
so of course she did.
My sister's baby book is justempty, like tumbleweed blow
through it.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
But mine mine.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
It's like what was happening at the time and it was
like, oh, nixon was, and thewar was, so that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, so that's the only reason I know yeah, and
when you think about it, worldwar ii ended in 45 45.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
So this is just nine years later I don't know when
korea ended, I'd have to watchmash again, which I fully intend
on doing.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh my gosh that's my next series.
I love mash too yes, oh, okayanyway, moving on I was just
like ah mash, all right, um.
So the war was from 1954 to1975.
And it was a conflict thatpitted the communist government
of Vietnam and its allies inSouth Vietnam, known as the Viet

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Cong, against the government ofSouth Vietnam and its principal
ally, the United States.
So I didn't know this, but inVietnam they call it the
American War, just the same aswe call it the Vietnam War.
They call it the American War.
Yeah, the war was also part of alarger regional conflict and

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manifestation of the Cold Warbetween the United States and
the Soviet Union and theirrespective allies.
North Vietnam, which haddefeated the French colonial
administration of Vietnam in1954 to unify the entire country
under a single communist regimemodeled after those of the
Soviet Union and China.

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The South Vietnamese government, on the other hand, fought to
preserve a Vietnam more closelyaligned with the West.
Us military advisors, presentin small numbers throughout the
1950s, were introduced on alarge scale, beginning in 1961,
and active combat units wereintroduced in 1965.

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By 1969, more than 500,000 USmilitary personnel were
stationed in Vietnam.
Meanwhile, the Soviet Union andChina poured weapons, supplies
and advisors into the North,which in turn provided support,
political direction and regularcombat troops for the campaign

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in the South.
The costs and casualties of thegrowing war proved too much for
the United States to bear andthe US combat units were
withdrawn by 1973.
And in 1975, south Vietnam fellto a full-scale invasion by the
North.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Now, 69 was when my dad's number came up.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay, that's the year my mom graduated high school,
so my mom and dad did too.
Oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
But his number because he was 18 in April of
that year.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Okay, so my mom was in March.
Yeah, I didn't realize ourparents were so close.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
My mom is in October.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
My dad's older than my mom.
My mom and dad are the same age, I think only four years now
anyway, I was telling nicoleearlier, my dad did not go to
vietnam.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Um, oddly enough, you know, it's not just because
he's a hippie um he went, hisnumber came up and he went into
the navy reserve, um, and thenhe went to boot camp and whined
and complained about his footuntil they medicaled him out and
told him we'll let you out, mrwhiny pants but, you cannot ever

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even pretend like you can gofor any military.
And he said bet where do I sign?
And moved his ass back home.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
So and then tell them what you told him he should.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I told him why didn't you just join the coast guard?
It's right the fuck here.
And he was like where were you?

Speaker 1 (23:31):
he's like wasn't even thought of all right, so we're
gonna start with may 1961.
Um, all the stuff in the 50swas just us kind of, and all the
stuff in the 50s was just uskind of advising.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
In Korea.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
We were advising.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
We were in.
Korea, in Vietnam, I know butwe were in Korea in the 50s was.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Korea.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Yeah, we were busy.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
We were already over there.
Yeah, we were already in Asia.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Man we really loved war back then.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Back then.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Oh well, true Sorry to war back then, back then.
Oh well, true, sorry, yeah, ithasn't changed.
That's the funny thing to me,that when, when you learn about
war in school and it's alreadyhappened, but it's your
grandfather, it's your dad, it'syour uncle, but it's still like
you learned about it so you're,you can hold it, but now it's

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kind of like it's just happeningand it's all fluid and it's
just there and you don't reallythink about it being, because
war to me is either um, likeknights on horses like right,
killing each other in fields andtaking over or it's world war
ii.

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You know, crawling on the beachand having your little gun with
a spear at the end and a hardhat on right like that's war to
me.
But and so now, like in in umukraine, you see it happen and
these are like skyscrapers,apartment buildings, hospitals
uh, hospitals, daycares, grocerystores, and you're like, oh my

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gosh, it's so savage andinhumane.
But you're like, wait, peoplehad civilizations back then too.
It just didn't look like thatand it's just kind of
realizations I'm coming to as Iget older.
I don't know, it's weird for me.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's just.
You know, human beings arehorrible.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
And always have been.
Always have been Like how havewe made it this far?
Other animals are far betterthan we are 100% All of them.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
They, they're.
You know why?
Because theirs is an instinctto eat, yeah, and to be, and
reproduce, and reproduce.
That's pretty much theirdriving thing Fucking eat.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
That's all they want to do.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
They don't just kill people, because they just don't
kill others, because they wantto see what it feels like.
Or because that guy has the oilfields and we don't, or because
Chernobyl is in that guy'scountry and we want it, or this
guy might have nukes.
Or this guy worships adifferent version of our Jesus.
They just call him somethingdifferent and we don't like that

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.
They call him oh man, you're introuble.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
If you're easily offended, shut it off now.
Because, he is not.
It's not going to be pretty.
Instead of trying to make thisfunny, she's just going to make
it extra dark.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
I'm just saying like just people just are savage and
it's just the way it has alwaysbeen.
Why is?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
it got to be that way .
So you got power.
So what I mean?
What do you really have nothing.
It's all fleeting.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's you die, all the same as anybody else does it
would be very interesting to see, to talk to an evolutionist to
find out, because has it alwaysbeen this way?
Because it had.
I mean, we wiped out theneanderthals, yeah, we wiped out
every other humanoid hominoid,I don't remember what they're
called um.
So we wiped out all of them tobecome the top.

(27:04):
I just wonder evolutionarily,why?
What did we?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
get.
Why did we win?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
There had to have been somebody better.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I don't know.
I think we had the biggestbrain, but what is the advantage
of just straight out war forzero perp?
I get like a one lion pridecomes up against another lion
pride.
But they're they're warringbecause this side has more and I

(27:35):
maybe that's just it because weprize different things than
lions do yeah, but so what if?

Speaker 1 (27:43):
if what's his name?
Putin has more land.
So what?
It's not?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
So what I mean?
What difference does it make?
Well, that's what I'm saying,Like.
So lions fight over food.
Maybe people have just decidedthat it's not food.
That is the most precious thing, it's the oil or just the stuff
or the mutant and stuff is onlyworth what humans say.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's worth that's so.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I would just like to talk to and and see what humans
have benefited, uh, over time.
Because they are just always,yeah, the crusades, just they
have constantly warred with eachother, just yeah I mean, we are
a fucked up species we arewe're horrible I mean mothers,
what other?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
species.
Do mothers kill their children?

Speaker 2 (28:31):
well, most other species do.
There's a hamster reason ahamster will eat her own babies
quick you know what?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
I have seen that because I used to have hamsters.
But I know male hippopotamuseswill kill the babies.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Most male will kill the babies of arrival.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Especially if it's a male baby.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yes, they will take it Because they ain't got no use
for that.
No, I would love to talk to you.
If you are out there listeningand would like to explain to me
what humans benefit.
Yeah, let's book.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Another guest on the show before we All right so May
1961, president John F Kennedysends helicopters and 400 Green
Berets to South Vietnam andauthorizes secret operations
against the Viet Cong.
To the new administration of theUS President John F Kennedy,

(29:27):
who took office in 1961, vietnamrepresented both a challenge
and an opportunity.
The Viet Cong's armed struggleagainst Diem seemed to be a
prime example of the new Chineseand Soviet strategy of
encouraging and aiding wars ofnational liberation in newly

(29:47):
independent nations of Asia andAfrica, in other words helping
communist-led insurgencies tosubvert and overthrow the shaky
new governments of emergingnations.
Kennedy and some of his closeadvisors believe that Vietnam
presented an opportunity to testthe United States' ability to
conduct a counterinsurgencyagainst communist subversion and

(30:12):
guerrilla warfare.
Kennedy accepted withoutserious question the so-called
domino theory, which held thatthe fates of all Southeast Asian
countries were closely linkedand that a communist success in
one must necessarily lead to thefatal weakening of the others.
A successful effort in Vietnamin Kennedy's words the

(30:35):
cornerstone of the free world inSoutheast Asia would provide to
both allies and adversariesevidence of US determination to
meet the challenge of communistexpansion in the third world.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
So Korea was 50 to 53 .
I Googled it Wow yeah, wereally didn't take a break.
I feel like and I don't knowfor sure because I wasn't there,
but I feel like a lot of thiswas because we had all that

(31:12):
swagger from World War II, youknow, because we annihilated an
entire country for not a goodreason, not a good enough reason
right but um, and we were overthere now because it's part of
the of us not continuing to wipejapan off the map they were no

(31:35):
longer allowed to have amilitary, so we had to be over
there.
So I think part of the problemwas we were over there already,
not minding our business, andthen coming, so we had all that
swag coming off of what we savedthe whole world.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
And then we went into Korea thinking we were just,
and I think it didn't work out.
So, then, I think, vietnam camealong and we were like oh, this
will be easy, oh, we'regoing're gonna now, here we go
we're gonna come back out on top.
And when that didn't work, thenwe moved into, you know like oh
, I don't know Afghanistan, andthought, hey, we're gonna make

(32:20):
up for Vietnam and Korea.
And then that didn't work out,so we just stayed there before
that was Kuwait yeah, I think wejust keep trying to win.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I remember.
I graduated high school in 1991and that they were talking
about a draft for Kuwait yes andI had a boyfriend that was a
year older than me and Iremember I was very boy crazy,
by the way, when I was younger,younger, but um, yeah, I was

(32:52):
terrified that he was going toget drafted so I can't even
fathom what this was like whenthere was an actual draft and a
lot, and I think that's one ofthe parallels that gen x has
with Baby Boomers, because weknew very well that there was a
draft in the Vietnam War Becausewe were told and how it went
down.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
And it's not even like you were told.
It's like because when we weregrowing up and you saw a veteran
, a Vietnam vet we don't talkabout that Like it's just, we do
not.
So it was like shut down.
You don't talk about that Likeit's just, we do not.
So it was like shut down, youdon't discuss it.
You know.
And then I think, when it cameto us being you know, teenagers

(33:33):
in early 20s in Kuwait and Iraq.
It was scary because we knewwhat happens when they come back
.
You know, in World War II, whenthose kids were all growing up,
you came back a hero from war.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Right, you just saved the world.
There were ticker tape paradesfor all of you.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
You just saved the whole world from speaking German
.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
And you enlisted to go do it.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
And so it was the same.
Like you can parallel that withseptember 11th, right, because
not that?
Not the end result?

Speaker 1 (34:11):
obviously because that got out of hand quick, but
it was the same situation.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
But but prior to that right, there was a real concern
about a draft and we all knewthat how that went, and we had
heard you know from your parentsand from their fellow.
I knew somebody who who didn'tmake it back from vietnam.
Or my mom would say, one of herhigh school boyfriends never

(34:38):
came back from vietnam, went tovietnam and never came back and
uh, you know, so for us I thinkit was a little bit scarier.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Because it was still very raw.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
For us and the adults in the room were still talking
about this stuff yeah, Whetherthey were telling us
specifically about it or justtalking to their friends about
it.
Like we knew this stuff yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
And you knew, like you had always heard well, that
friend of mine didn't come backright and it was, you know, so
traumatic and I think we livedwith that generational trauma.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
As opposed to our parents didn't have that because
you know, they were all heroes.
A lot of I mean a lot of peopledied in World War II, Don't get
me wrong, but it was a wholedifferent Right.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Sc, get me wrong, but it was a whole different right
scenario.
Yes, and trauma isn't just inum the person who suffers the
trauma.
When your son, grandson,brother, uncle, you know
whatever, comes back and they'renot the same person, that's a
trauma.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
For you as well it is , it's like a death very much so
, right, yes, when you're, whenyou they, they come back as a
different person.
They do.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
And you know they're never going to be the same Never
.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Whether you know they got injured or they just saw
things that they just shouldhave never ever seen or had to
do things that they would havenever done.
At 17 years old, at 18 yearsold, you know, not by choice, no
so february 1962?

Speaker 1 (36:08):
um no, didn't.
Dm survives a bombing of thepresidential palace in south
vietnam, as dm's extremefavoritism towards south
vietnam's catholic minorityeliminates him from most of the
south vietnamese population,including vietnamese buddhists,
and this is just a whole nothershit show, I bet, because I dm

(36:32):
seemed like he wasn't.
He was a good leader and hewanted a democracy, but he was
catholic, right, and I want to.
I think I'll get to it.
Oh, here we go.
It's going to come right here.
Okay.
So Diem was born into one ofthe noble families of Vietnam.
His ancestors in the 17thcentury had been among the first

(36:55):
Vietnamese converts to RomanCatholicism, so that's going
pretty far back.
So he was pretty deeply rooted.
He was definitely raised thatway, but he was the leader of a
Buddhist nation.
So Diem, assisted by USmilitary and economic aid, was

(37:16):
able to resettle hundreds ofthousands of refugees from North
Vietnam and the South.
But his own Catholicism, itjust didn't't look right.
I did drink a lot of winealready, so I apologize to the
catholics but it's not right intrue catholic spirit.
I've drank a lot of wine.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
She's been very much indulging in the blood of christ
over there it's so good, um,but uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
So his own catholicism and the preference
he showed for fellow romancatholics made him unacceptable
to buddhists, who were anoverwhelming majority in south
vietnam.
Diem never fulfilled hispromise of land reforms, and
during his rule, communistinfluence and appeal grew among
Southerners as thecommunist-inspired National

(38:10):
Liberation Front, or Viet Cong,launched an increasingly intense
guerrilla war against hisgovernment.
The military tactics Diem usedagainst the insurgency were
heavy-handed and ineffective andserved only to deepen his
government's unpopularity andisolation.
So this was just kind of like aperfect storm, as typically yes

(38:36):
, Kind of the way it goes.
Yeah, so I think he had goodintentions, but he wasn't the
right religion, so let's havemore about it.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
But you call your Jesus something different.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
But the thing that really devastated me throughout
the documentary was I mean,buddhists are a peaceful people.
They do not believe in violence.
Like violence doesn't exist tothem, and and and the the
country people were just justsimple farmers, just growing
what they needed to eat, killinga pig now and then when they

(39:19):
needed some food, like nothing,and so there's no way they're
gonna win.
But then I liken it back towhen I was talking about like
castles and knights.
That's what happened then.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
That is what happened .
They were going into the littlevillages I mean technically, we
would all still have a Britishaccent had it not been for the
French.
So yeah, yep, because that'sexactly.
The British army was hella hugeand very, very, very practiced
at what they do.
So France got Louisiana Luckythem and Canada and part of

(39:56):
Canada, but then they had togive that back.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and soon they'll be part of the
US, so whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Hey, look at that Full circle.
So look at that May 1963.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
In a major incident of what becomes known as the
Buddhist crisis, the governmentof Ngo Dinh Diem opens fire on a
crowd of Buddhist protesters inthe central Vietnam city of Hue
.
Eight people, includingchildren, are killed.

(40:29):
On this particular day,buddhist leaders sought to
commemorate Vesak by displayingthe Buddhist flag.
However, the government hadimposed an unofficial ban on the
flag, which was perceived as anact of provocation.
So this, so there's a lot ofparallels in this documentary
and if you are a little bitintelligent and open-minded, you

(40:53):
will see the parallels towhat's happening right now.
The government made it so thatyou couldn't.
There's an unofficial ban onthe Buddhist flag, which is like
banning the LGBTQ flag.

(41:17):
Sure, you know, yeah, I do.
Or I just feel like they'regoing after the, the lesser, the
low-hanging fruit.
The low-hanging fruit, the oneswho can't defend themselves,
the ones who are weaker.
My goodness, she is fired uptonight.

(41:39):
Um, anyway, anyway, let me getback to where it was, it's all a
smokescreen, really.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
It's like, hey, look over here at the gay people,
because they are doing things wedon't want to do while I'm over
here trying to take over halfthe world.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I think that's the point I was trying to make.
I got it.
Dm was saying look at theBuddhists.
Look how annoying they are withall their peaceful love and
meditation, like while I'm overhere fucking shit up.
So, in response to the peacefuldemonstration by buddhist and

(42:18):
hugh although I think that mightno, it's not um who insisted on
their right to celebrate thismomentous occasion police opened
fire.
The violent action resulted inthe tragic deaths of several
protesters, leading to outrageacross the nation, which is nuts
.
I'm not about religion, butI've never heard ofdhist raping

(42:45):
children or anything, no, so Ithink they're pretty pure of
heart sure, in spirit they havemonks, I do know I feel like
they.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I don't know some of the truest to their religion.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
I don't know much about buddhists, so I took a um
world religion class in collegeand we had to do a um project on
a religion that we had to go to, the um fuck, what's the word
for?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
uh, I remember, because you made me go with you
yeah, it was in lewis, yes.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
So we had to go experience a religious
experience.
That was outside of anything weknew.
So I picked a buddhist.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
She did, I triggered a memory block that out it.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
So yeah, so I did do some delving into buddhist and I
do like seven years in tibet or12 years in tibet, or however
long brad pitt stayed in tibetit's seven years yeah, I don't
know, I can't remember, butanyway, um, I like the movie.
I don't know.
I just feel like buddhist I.
I appreciate religion, wherepeople are actually who they

(44:05):
claim to be Right, so and that'ssuper rare?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
I don't know.
I don't know enough aboutBuddhism to speak to that.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I mean it's nothing I could do, but they seem very
peaceful.
Anyway, I digress.
I digress.
June 1963, a 73-year-old monksets himself on fire while
sitting at a major cityintersection in protest, leading
other Buddhists to follow suitin coming weeks.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I do remember that too.
Yeah, I don't remember itbecause I remember it on TV.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Yeah, so they showed, you know, black and white
photos of it.
I couldn't watch.
As soon as it popped up I hadto shut my eyes.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I did watch that part of the documentary.
I did see part of thatdocumentary.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, that was harsh.
The United States alreadydeclined.
Confidence in Diem's leadershipcontinues to slide.
November 1963, the UnitedStates backs a Vietnam military
coup against the unpopular Diemwhich ends in the brutal killing
of Diem and his brother NgoDinh Nhu.

(45:13):
Between 1963 and 1965, 12different governments take the
lead in South Vietnam, asmilitary coups replace one
government after another.
Now how North Korea didn't takeover at that point.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
For real.
They really dropped the ball onthat.
November 1963, presidentKennedy is assassinated in
Dallas, texas.
What you didn't know, that,what I did not know, that Shoot
and this documentary doesn'tshed the best light on Kennedy

(45:51):
either.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
I don't think he was all that great of a human being.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
No no, no, yeah Well, there's another Kennedy in the
news right now.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I don't think a whole lot of them are buried.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
A lot of inbreeding.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
And they killed a lot of people.
I mean Ted Kett and a lot ofinbreeding.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, okay, lyndon B Johnson then became president,
so he was awful.
I even do.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
You want a fun fact about johnson what from what I
have heard, he was um, hung likea horse and didn't mind showing
everyone oh, classy, that'syeah fun fact.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
oh yeah.
So I was gonna say I feel badbecause I feel like I'm
one-sided on what I'm sayinghere and I didn't really
research it.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
But fuck him he was a bitch, he was a dick.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
He was an absolute bitch.
He was definitely JD Vance,like a million percent.
If you want to know what wouldhappen if Trump were to not be
president anymore and JD Vancehad to step in, listen to what
Johnson did during vietnam.
Like he sat there and was likeI don't know what I'm doing,
like shut the fuck up and figureit out.

(47:07):
You are the leader of the freeworld now.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Like why he was notorious for having meetings
while in the bathroom oh yeah,making people watch him take a
shit, yep, yep, I do rememberhearing that.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
um, and then he didn't seek a second term, like
yeah, the country's in your hand, like he was such a bitch, like
big time and he really did notknow what he was doing.
Um, yeah, so I'm, I know I'mskimming over a lot of things
here.
That's what my intention waswas to just kind of fill things
in and really to plug this likedocumentary because it's amazing

(47:43):
.
But if you want more detailsyou're going to have to go watch
it.
So I tried to keep this short,but it's running long already
anyway.
So August 1964, the USS Maddoxon an espionage mission is
attacked by North Vietnamesepatrol torpedo boats in the Gulf
of Tonkin.
The second attack on the Maddoxand another US ship in the Gulf

(48:07):
is alleged, but likely neveroccurred, according to the
National Security Agencydocuments declassified in 2005.
The incidents led PresidentJohnson to call for airstrikes
on North Vietnamese patrol boatbases.
Two US aircraft are shot downand one US pilot, everett

(48:28):
Alvarez Jr, became the first USairman to be taken prisoner by
North Vietnam.
POWs in World War II weretreated much differently than I
believe the pow is in thevietnam war yes, in the
documentary um, they have a powor two that is interviewed um

(48:50):
and they said it justcontinually got worse, worse,
like it was bad when they gotcaught and then they're there
seven, nine years and it's justgetting worse and I think I
think because of the geneConvention.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
And when did that happen?
I wonder if that was before, Idon't know, but for some reason
I feel like in World War II notthat they didn't have it bad,
because obviously the Germansannihilated millions of people
and tortured them.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
But I feel like it wasn't.
But that was on a grander scale.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Right, vietnam's a small little country, yeah them
yeah, but I feel like it wasthat was on a grander scale.
Right, vietnam's a small littlecountry, yeah and I feel like
the torture was way worse likethey did torture in vietnam, as
opposed to just taking you outand shooting you in like one
more two.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
But I don't know well , I mean, you were more of a
bargaining chip, I think, inworld war ii as to where in
vietnam.
It was just so savage, thewhole thing was just I just like
, I just think.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Sometimes I think about john mccain and I'm like
wow like can you imagine likethe horror.
I love john mccain.
He's also dead, right, I thinkso right yeah, because he has a
ship named after him oh, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I like
him anyway it's a shame they ranhim with stupid ass.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Sarah, sarah palin, he probably would have won.
Yeah, although who he wentagainst?
Oh yeah, never mind.
Did you ever take?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
that back.
So the thing about there wasthere's a town hall that he did
off subject, kind of because hewas tortured in vietnam.
Um, there was a town hall inthat he was doing in the
election and some lady stood upand said something about obama

(50:24):
not being from this country andhe was muslim and all, and
mccain shot it down.
I mean literally stopped her inher tracks and said we're not,
we're not doing that.
I know the man.
He's a very nice man, he has avery nice family.
Just because we disagree onsome things does not mean I mean
, and that was when politics wasgood and then somehow it went

(50:47):
off the rail because that weelected a black president and
the countries had exploded.
But I think it was just it was.
It was very interesting that hewell, he was an honorable man.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, and he just shut it down.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
He's like we're not talking about that.
I mean, there is a lot of truthto it being the greatest
generation.
Yeah, there's a lot of traumaon those men themselves, and
then that they imposed on theirfamilies afterward.
But yeah, Anyway, I don't evenknow what I'm talking about

(51:24):
anymore, okay, so august 19,wait, did I read that?

Speaker 2 (51:28):
oh, I think I did, I think we were, yes, I did there
was something I was gonna sayabout this.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Oh, um, in the documentary we were just talking
about the um, uss, maddox, ohyeah, and um, the north
vietnamese sent out torpedoboats and it was pretty badass,
like not that I'm proud, butwell, I am a proud american.
But they came in and juststarted bombing the fuck out of
these boats and I was like yeahthat's right, martha.

(51:54):
All right anyway.
March 1965, president johnsonlaunches a three-year campaign
of sustained bombing of targetsin north vietnam and the ho chi
minh trail, in operation rollingthunder.
The same month, us marines landon beaches near da nang, da

(52:15):
nang.
Yeah, um, I'm doing pretty goodwith these because I just
watched the documentary, butthat doesn't mean a lot I?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I only know that from Good Morning Vietnam.
Denang denang me, denang me Geta rope and hang me.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
I don't know if I've ever seen that movie.
Good morning Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I know the movie.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I'm sure I saw it when I was younger.
Anyway, let's see as the firstAmerican combat troops to enter
vietnam.
That was the end of whateversentence I started 10 minutes
ago.
Um.
So, march 1968, presidentjohnson halts bombing in vietnam
, north of the 20th parallel.
Facing backlash about the war,johnson announces he will not

(52:58):
run for re-election because he'sa bitch.
Uh, november 1968, republicanrichard m nixon, who is just a
fucking god awful person, likehe is trump, except he speaks a
little bit better.
But that's not hard to do.
Um my eight-year-old nephewspeaks better anyway.

(53:18):
Republican uh.
Richard m nixon wins the uspresidential election on the
campaign promises to restore lawand order and to end the draft
how'd that?
Go.
Promise is not made.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Huh um september 1960 how chi minh dies of a heart
attack in hanoi.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Ho chi minh I I.
It was funny because my husbandwas like, do you remember
learning about this stuff inhigh school?
And I'm like, well, I don'tremember learning about it, but

(53:58):
I know the name, ho chi minh.
Yeah, like, and I think maybeit's stuck in my memory because
it's such a catchy, cool name,like I don't know, but it's one
that stuck with me.
I knew who he was anyway.
Um, I'm always impressed withmyself when I remember things.
Just it's, it's a big deal.
Um december 1969, the usgovernment institutes the first

(54:19):
draft lottery since World War II, prompting ever more young
American men later disparaging,disparaged as draft Dodgers to
flee to Canada.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
My mom's cousin did flee to Canada and they didn't
ever move back because they wereallowed to go, because they
have free health care, becauseCanada's way fucking better yeah
.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
It's fucking cold, that's the downside.
Like, yeah, I would totallymove to.
Yeah, um, it's fucking cold,that's the downside.
Like yeah, I would totally moveto canada if it wasn't they
have summer probably do theyhave sunlight, though, like they
have some?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
could I grow gardens 30 days?
Could I grow tomatoes?
You can, because they have.
If the further up you go, theyhave day all the time and then
they have six months of no day.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
No, like, like alaska we would have to like um be uh
snowbirds, where I live up therefor the six months of no day no
, like like alaska, we wouldhave to like um be uh, snowbirds
, where I live.
Up there for the six monthsthere's sunlight and then you
move up there when there's sixmonths of darkness my um.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
so my mom's cousin went to canada and I know that
it was a long time that theywere not allowed to come back
and then at some somebodypardoned them all and they were
allowed to come back Like ifthey came back in.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
I mean, it would have been worth it.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
If they came back in, they were arrested for being
draft dodgers, so they couldn't.
I don't remember when that wasthat they were allowed to come
back.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
But I mean you have to have money and resources to
do that too.
You know I mean.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I too, you know.
I mean I think they just got ina car and left.
I don't think they had anythingBecause Canada was letting them
in it's refugees.
So I think they just Isn't thatcrazy.
Yeah, I mean it's not hey.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Why would they not want to be the 51st state?
I mean, come on, Canada.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I'm going to Canada if I have to be a refugee.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, don't become the 51st state, because you're
where we're all coming when weneed to get somewhere.
We can't go to mexico.
We'll be stopped at the wall,not be allowed back in, all
right, so mark carter did it.
Now let's bring carter backinto things.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
He issued a blanket pardon for vietnam war.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Draft evaders on january 21st 1977, the first
full day of his presidency.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
The pardon known as Proclamation 4483 covered
individuals who have evaded theSelective Service Act from
August 4th 1964 to March 28th1973.
So that's when they wereallowed to come back.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
I feel like Jimmy Carter was the modern day.
Martha I was going to sayMartha Stewart, but what I meant
to say was Mother Teresa.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I feel like every day , we learn more and more about
Jimmy Carter and how amazing hewas.
He should probably be a saint.
Yes, let's get on.
How do we get him sainted Forreal?

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Let's do it, let's talk to this We'll wait for the
new pope.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
And then we'll take it up with him.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Let's just wait and we'll talk to the new pope about
it, okay, all right.
March 1969 to may 1970, in aseries of secret bombings known
as operation menu, usb-52bombers target suspected
communist-based camps and supplyzones in cambodia.
The bombings are kept underwraps by nixon his

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administration, since Cambodiais officially neutral in the war
, although the New York Timeswould reveal the operation on
May 9th 1969.
And I'm terrible geography so Iknow I'm going to sound like an

(57:42):
idiot trying to describe this,but there is like the east side
of a coast and that whole eastside is Vietnam and the top half
is obviously northern andsouthern, and then a big kind of
round country right next to thetwo of them.
more along the South Vietnamborder, though, is Cambodia, and

(58:02):
Cambodia seemed to have apretty free-spirited leader.
He just wanted everybody to behappy and good you know that's
what it looked like and to keeppeace with North Vietnam and
keep them out of his hair.
He gave them permission tocreate the Ho Chi Minh Trail,
which runs down the entireborder of vietnam, north and

(58:23):
south.
But when they get to the southside, they're on in cambodia,
right, and they just set uplittle shops there, and cambodia
is like that's fine, just stayover there, keep to yourselves,
you can just basically have thatland for your shit, and that
all ends up blowing up incambodia's face, which is so sad
because, again, just happy,people just live in life, mind

(58:44):
their own business.
Um, anyway, how much did eggscost?
Um, anywho, april to june 1970,us and south vietnam Vietnamese
forces attack communist basesacross the Cambodian border in
the Cambodian incursion.

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Yeah, that part's just set.
May 4th 1970.
Here's another little black eyefor the US In a bloody incident
known as the Kent Stateshooting.
I've heard of it.
There's video on thedocumentary too, it's, I mean

(59:26):
I've seen the video before butnational guardsmen fire on
anti-war demonstrators at Ohio'sKent state university, killing
four students and wounding nine.
Um, yeah, they, they weresimply peacefully protesting.
Um, you could tell they weregetting on the cops nerves.

(59:47):
They weren't doing what theywere told god damn rebel rousers
but yeah, I mean it was awful.
and the um advocate advocatethat was on the documentary she
was at kent state.
I remember that now because she, she and she remembers like how

(01:00:08):
everything was shattered atthat point because up until then
they were in a safe space andnow they could be shot.
Yep, so it changed everything.
Freedom of speech Anybody heardof it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Only when you agree with what I say then you have
freedom of speech.
We traded the freedom of speechfor eggs.
It's not funny anymore.
Stop saying it.
Okay, I told you she was goingto make the subject darker.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
We still have freedom of speech today.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
No, we don't.
No, we don't, a million percent, we do not.
The Pentagon Papers In June1971, the New York Times
publishes a series of articlesdetailing leaked Defense
Department documents about thewar, known as the Pentagon
Papers.
And this is the part where thegood humans step up and they say

(01:01:09):
enough of this and I'm going totake whatever consequences come
this way, and the Americanpeople deserve to know what
everyone is lying to them about.
Look for the helpers yes,exactly.
Everyone is lying to them about.
Look for the helpers yes,exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Hold on Again.
As an aside, Did you see thatthey have been playing a lot of
Mr Rogers trying to save PBS inthe 70s and he is speaking in
Congress, and the congressmansaid you, sir, I guess he didn't
know who he was, how I don'teven.
I guess he didn't know who hewas, how I don't know, but he
didn't know who he was.
And he was like you, sir, Ihave never been moved more than

(01:01:51):
so.
Have you then um?
Sesame street, as you may ormay not know, is Ending yes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Well, I mean PBS is ending at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
They pulled the plug so I'll show it to you when
we're done.
But the Sesame Street has beenputting out TikToks and one in
particular of Grover is kind ofa call to action, like it's
Grover talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
You know like Grover was always my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
And then in the middle of it he talks like
normal and then goes back.
It's crazy, wow, anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Yeah, the monster at the end of this book is my all
time favorite kids book.
Enough of that, yes, thanks formaking it sadder.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I know, but, like you know, isn't, isn't?
Isn't the the rumor on thestreet that Mr Rogers was like
was like a, a, a sniper inVietnam or something?
Yes, killed like 97 people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
There's also a rumor on the street that the symptoms
simpsons predicted um a certainperson's death coming up this
month.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Yeah, that's on tiktok also and it's it's the.
The title of those videos arewhen it happens no one in
particular, just something Iheard.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
So the reports revealed the us government had
repeatedly and secretlyincreased un us involvement in
the war um the pentagon papers,officially titled report of the
office of the secretary ofdefense vietnam task force is a
oh.
While I'm thinking of it,kissinger is as big a dumb fuck

(01:03:43):
as fucking has has wigger, hellwigger, whoever the guy is that
we have right now yeah, it's soparallel, it's ridiculous um, I
mean, if you don't learn fromhistory, it's bound to repeat
itself.
So it's funny because whenyou're on the outside looking in
, you're like did they read whathappened here?

(01:04:03):
And say let's do exactly thatdo that again exactly the same
it went so well.
The first time it caused somuch chaos and death.
Let's do it um.
United states department ofdefense history of the united
states political and militaryinvolvement in Vietnam from 1945
to 1967,.
Uh was the report from the umsecretary of defense for the

(01:04:28):
Vietnam task force Uh.
The papers were released byDaniel Ellsberg, a saint who had
worked on the study.
They were first brought to theattention of the public on the
front page of the New York Timesin 1971.
The Pentagon Papers revealedthat the Harry S Truman
administration gave military aidto France in its colonial war

(01:04:50):
against the communist-led VietMinh, thus directly involving
the United States and Vietnam.
Vietnam.
That in 1954, president DwightD Eisenhower decided to prevent
a communist overtake or takeoverof South Vietnam and to
undermine the new communistregime of North Vietnam.

(01:05:12):
That President John F Kennedytransformed the policy of
limited risk gamble that he hadinherited into a policy of broad
commitment.
That President Lyndon B Johnsonintensified covert warfare
against North Vietnam and beganplanning to wage overt war in

(01:05:34):
1964, a full year before thedepth of US involvement was
publicly revealed.
And that Johnson ordered thebombing of North Vietnam in 1965
, despite the judgment of the USIntelligence Committee that it
would not cause the NorthVietnamese to cease their
support of the Viet Conginsurgency in South Vietnam.

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That's a whole lot of bullshitgoing on right there.
Well, yeah, january 27,th 1973,the year I was born, about six
weeks before I was born.
So my mom, I, I think aboutthese things like my mom was
pregnant.
As this was happening, like wasshe paying attention?
Was she scared that she wasabout to be a?

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
new mom?

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
probably not but anyway, uh.
Representatives of southvietnamese communist forces,
north Vietnam, south Vietnam andthe United States conclude the
agreement on ending the war andrestoring peace in Vietnam in
Paris.
Us troops are to be withdrawnwithin 60 days and the 17th
parallel will remain thedividing line until the country

(01:06:39):
can be reunited by peacefulmeans.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Hold on.
I have a question for youbecause I don't know the answer
to this.
Okay, when did your dad startat the Air Force Base?
Was he there in Vietnam?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I was born in 70, yeah, Well, my dad started
civilian at the Air Force Baseas an accountant because he had
a college degree from Wesley.
But yes, because when I wasborn we moved down here for him
to take that job and I was bornin Dover.

(01:07:17):
So, yep, I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
So, okay, yep, I gotcha, I was, I didn't.
For those of you that don'tknow, dover air force base is,
um, one of the largest air forcebases.
It's right here, wait and um,it's one of the largest air fly
over my house constantly it'sthe only one of the largest on
the east coast.
I think it's the only one thatcan take the c5 on the east
coast and it is also where allthe fallen soldiers come back.
It is the morgue.
It's the morgue.
This is where they brought theChallenger remains.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
This is where they brought.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Columbia remains.
It's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
It's a big deal.
If we go to war, we're dead.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Did you know that they brought all the Kent State
bodies back here to Dover?
Not Kent State're dead.
Did you know that they broughtall the Kent State bodies back?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
here to Dover.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Or not Kent State?
I lied, no.
What's this Jonestown?
They brought all the Jonestownvictims to Dover because it was
the only place I could hold allof them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, there's been a lot of crazy stuff that comes
through here, and well, at leastin previous presidencies, when
stuff comes in, the presidentcomes here, so he's here.
Pretty often too, I've seen AirForce One fly over my house.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
The good thing about that?
If there's a good thing aboutit, I don't feel like Dover is
ever in jeopardy of closing Likewhen they close Air Force bases
.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
I know they close them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Because of that, they have that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
That, I do think, was a good call for whoever.
Yeah, and we're so close to dctoo, so you're going to want to
keep that.
We are in between you and thecoast.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I guess we don't have fighter jets here, though I
mean, every now and then you'llsee them, but that's, norfolk
has those, I guess yeah, that'strue, and when we, when I was in
in Virginia Beach last month,the hotel we were in, the
fighter jets- flew overconstantly, like literally every
15 minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
I was like, how do people live here?
Like I live next to the AirForce Base, but that's not the
same thing.
It doesn't rattle your boneswhen it goes over.
All right, january 27th 1973.
Oh, what I wanted to say,though, about the peace talks,
alleged peace talks in Paris.
Um, so all of these worldleaders had to come together, um

(01:09:35):
, for the Paris peace treaty.
And um, as all these people aredying in Vietnam, it took weeks
to even schedule this thing,because they couldn't agree on
who would sit where at the table, what shape table they should
have, who should sit next to who.

(01:09:56):
I mean weeks they argued overthis while people are dying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
But women can't be in control because they're too
emotional exactly, exactly, Ifeel, yes, angela merkle
probably doesn't whine aboutwhere she's sitting at the
mother she doesn't care, I'mjust saying, like you know what,
because she can man up andignore a bitch, just the same as
anybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
you can sit me next to anybody.
I can pretend like they don'texist.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Ask people in my, the thing of it is when people say,
oh, women aren't capable of,because, they're too emotional.
Who has started all the wars?

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Who Men Exactly?
And it's all emotion.
It is all emotion driven.
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
has a bigger dick.
You know if women are in chargethey don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
You know what?
We don't compare vaginas no, wejust.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
First of all, I'm gonna walk into a room with a
bunch of men and I'm gonna saywho has a bigger dick?
Me?
Now let's move on.
I have told so many men to suckmy dick or that my balls are
bigger.
I don't even have any, so youknow I used suck a dick.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Yesterday somebody was texting me in like a work
meeting and they were like, doyou still talk to so-and-so?
And I was like so-and-so cansuck a dick?
Because no, I do not, and youknow who I'm talking about.
But that also reminded me that,um, at Park, I was watching it
yesterday.

(01:11:26):
I'm a huge South Park fan.
Have you ever watched SouthPark?
I have.
I'm not a fan.
You don't watch it now, do youno?
But I know somebody who used tolove South Park.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
One of the reasons I actually don't like South.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Park.
Okay, anyway, but this isrelevant and funny.
So they all have physicals inschool and the school posts uh,
how much they've grown sincetheir last physical.
So it's like 1.2 inches, 2.4inches, and cartman thinks that
they've posted everybody's dicksize.
So he wants to put up real dicksizes.

(01:11:59):
So he measures everybody'spenises and of course he has the
smallest dick and he gets introuble for posting it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
But, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
So anyway, yeah, the dick size thing like it's real.
It is and it's a fucking joke.
It doesn't mean anything.
That's why I don't understand.
Girls don't want dicks that big.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Like, don't get me wrong, Women are the most.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Women will kill you psychologically there is studies
shown that bullying in schoolthere's a certain look that my
husband makes that just hits thesweet spot.
I'm like he doesn't know whatto say, how to act.
If I'm mad, if I'm serious, ifI'm joking like what's going on

(01:12:46):
right and I don't know, I liveoff.
It's like a vampire in blood.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
There has been a psychological study on bullying
in high school, middle school,elementary school etc.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
The effects of bullying of women, girls because
mean girls aren't that shit,because the guy thing, the thing
they make fun of you for insecond grade they're your best
friend for in 10th grade andthey take you outside.
You punch each other in theface, you come back in or you
make up a good nickname and youcall him that for the rest of

(01:13:19):
his life and your best friendyeah, and it just goes.
Yeah, but girls man there'seven a show on um id called mean
girls.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
It's it's it is.
They plant that little seed andif you are a man listening to
this, you have no idea thepsychological torture that women
are capable of which will oneach other, with which will
outwit, outmatch, outplay.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Any day of the week Hashtag survivor, masculinity
and muscle any day.
Any day.
Yeah, shoot, now you got mefired up.
You're a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Today I'm just saying this this thought that women
cannot be in charge and leadersbecause they're too fucking
emotional.
Yes, well, I'm not whipping mydick out to show anybody any
time.
I just want to get this cannotactually separate themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Unless you're fucking with theirs, you fuck with mine
.
Yeah, it's done, all right,right, march 29, 1973.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
A couple weeks after.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
I was born, so now my mom's like oh my God, I have a
newborn.
What am I going to do?
The last US military unitleaves Vietnam.
In over a decade of fighting,some 58,000 US troops have been
killed, which sounds very lowafter watching that documentary.
Vietnamese casualties includemore than 200 000 south

(01:14:47):
vietnamese troops and more thana million north vietnamese
soldiers and vietcong irregulars.
Civilian deaths total as manyas two million.
Yeah, um april 29 1975, shortlyafter 11 am, the American Radio
Service Network begins tobroadcast the pre-recorded

(01:15:09):
message that the temperature inSaigon is 105 degrees and rising
, followed by a 30-secondexcerpt from the song White
Christmas.
Now, I didn't put, I need tojust make a little connection
here that I just realized.
Saigon was the last standingcity in Vietnam or in South
Vietnam.
So April 29th 1975 is when itwent down.

(01:15:33):
So this signals the start ofOperation Frequent Wind, the
emergency evacuation of Saigon.
So they show this in thedocumentary as well, and there
is old black and white footageof it.
So they show this in thedocumentary as well, and there
is old black and white footageof it.
And it, yeah, if you think,build the wall is the way to go,
which, if you feel that way,you have turned this episode off

(01:15:56):
a long time ago, way long timeago, but you haven't even
listened to episode one probably.
But seriously, if you are likeon the fence, like I, get it.
We need this.
Blah, blah, blah.
Yes, everyone cannot just comepouring into our country.
This is true, there needs to bea system, but there needs to be

(01:16:16):
a more realistic system.
Watch this and watch thesepeople cramming 50 people into a
helicopter that holds 10.
And oh my, god, god, this wasthe craziest part.
So, yeah, this, this is whatthis was.
So over the next 24 hours, 7000 americans and vietnamese

(01:16:37):
were flown to safety.
Um, so helicopters came in.
They landed on like the topsvery teeter, tottered.
People are coming up, half thefamily gets in and the
helicopters full and they haveto go and their families just
there on the ground, thehelicopter stopped coming.

(01:16:58):
There was a newscasterinterviewing this lady and she
was like well.
He's like well, why are youhere?
There are no helicopters comingback.
She coming back.
She's like, well, just in case.
He's like, but they're notcoming back.
She's like, well, just in casethey do.
He's like, no, listen to me,they are not coming back.
What are you going to do?
Why are you here?
She said can you help us?
Oh yeah, it was just soheartbreaking.

(01:17:19):
Um, but yeah, so thesehelicopters are flying into this
.
It was a ship that the planesfly onto.
Aircraft carriers, yeah, butthey're not made to handle
helicopters Right and thesepilots don't know how to land
these helicopters on a movingtarget, a moving target.

(01:17:49):
So they are either landing, orthey're crashing on their side,
or they're landing in the waterbecause they can't hit the boat,
and then everybody's gettingout of the helicopter and
getting saved.
So then, when theirhelicopter's up there and the
deck is full and in the skythere's just all these
helicopters coming in, justwaiting to land, with refugees
in them.
So they're pushing thesehelicopters.
Thank god an empath was drivingthat ship.

(01:18:11):
He was the captain and theywent to him and he said he
pushed the million dollarhelicopters in the ocean.
Like that, or save people,human lives, like, yeah, do that
.
So they're pushing them all inand more landing and more
crashing in, and it was absolutechaos.
It was insane.
They were expecting like 7,000and they got like 147,000.

(01:18:35):
Wow, it was craziness, justyeah.
So, however you feel aboutimmigration and refugees, watch
that and then come talk to me.
Um, so, anyway, the americanpersonnel began converging on
the more than a dozen assemblypoints throughout the city.
Um, over the next 24 hours.
Uh, they were flown to safety.

(01:18:57):
The following morning, northvietnamese troops entered
downtown saigon and the southvietnam Vietnamese government
surrenders unconditionally.
And that was it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
And I didn't even get into, like the peace treaty
stuff the.
Paris peace, like there werepromises made, things that were
supposed to be put into placeand nothing.
I mean yeah, so I'm justtouching on this, but it meant a
lot to me to put everything ina timeline right because, like
who's president, when and whomade these decisions?

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
and well, and I think a lot of that gets lost because
you know we of course have allseen, you know every movie from
every forest born on the 4th ofjuly.
And good morning.
Vietnam and right, you know allof them.
Why can I not think of the bigone?

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
It's not Born on the Fourth of July.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
No, it's the one with Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Oh, another thing while you're looking something
up, you get to learn some of themusic, because there is a lot
of music that came out of theVietnam War and the protests of
the war Apocalypse.
Now, how did I of the warApocalypse?

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Now, how did I?

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
know, oh, apocalypse, now, right, that's the big one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
I've had too much fireball today.
Oh, I don't know why it hit meso hard.
Yeah, probably because I was ona rant, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
When I got here it just fueled your adrenaline.
What was I saying?
Music?
Oh yeah, um, what was I sayingmusic?
Oh yeah, so they have.
I think it's nash of crosbystills, and nash that is in the
documentary and he the.
There is a veteran vietnamveteran that is in the

(01:20:38):
documentary as well, and I meanyou understand why these men did
not talk about.
There is not a single personthat talks about it in this
documentary that doesn't cry.
So it's no wonder nobody wantsto talk about it.
Because you don't want to sitaround bawling your eyes out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Don't want to relive that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Yeah.
So anyway, this veteran that isin the documentary who went
there he went early on, so hewent in there like ready to go,
we're doing the right thing,we're supposed to be here,
america, all that good stuff andthen he came home and got
rejected.
But then he learned all thechaos that all the shit show,

(01:21:22):
all the bad decisions, all thestuff that didn't need to happen
, and he, you know, said he'swilling to admit that he was
wrong.
And he, you know that wasn't it?
So, all right, so he was fromOhio and Crosby, stills and Nash
or at least Nash met with himwhen he had this like revelation

(01:21:45):
of what had happened to himthere and they wrote a song
called Ohio and it's about thisman, um.
So Nash is on there talkingabout it and the impact that,
while he didn't go to the war,just talking to people who had
been back, you know, and justkind of being in that um,
anti-war movement, um, and thethe veteran.

(01:22:08):
He was kind of cute because hewas like it was so cool, like
this really famous person ismaking a song about me.
But yeah, so anyway, that's theend of my timeline.
I pieced everything together.
I will probably forget it allby tomorrow morning because I'll
have slept by then, but I hopeit helps some of you put some of

(01:22:30):
the pieces together andseriously I highly recommend the
documentary.
Even if you think you're notinto that kind of thing, it's
really good.
But don't watch it when you'relike in a bad or sad mood,
because it won't go well, why?
Because it's like one day myhusband I was like, are we going

(01:22:50):
to watch an episode?
And he was like I was like,nope, that's fine, I get it If
you're not feeling it.
It's not the show to watch whenyou're not in the mood to watch
it, but very informative and itwill explain a lot about things
that I feel like we knew askids but didn't know.
So that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
It's just crazy that we were like that.
A lot of it is why we are theway we are.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Vietnam was a big part of who we are, even though
most of us weren't born yet.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
It probably affected everybody.
Well, yeah, because yourparents were Everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
I mean the boomers were all yeah involved in it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Yeah, so you knew somebody, you went to school
with somebody, you were relatedto somebody so so draft dodging
and hippies and all that, allthat, yeah, but the thing it
like that was another thing.
My husband, um, he's always veryjokingly said goddamn hippies,
you know, because I meangrateful deads is a favorite

(01:23:49):
band, so get over yourself.
But um, he really had a newappreciation even for the
hippies.
Like it made a lot more sensebecause he grew up with a more,
um, republican dad who was likegoddamn hippies, although he
probably agreed with them morethan he would like to admit.

(01:24:11):
But now my husband was like,yeah, I understand why they were
doing what they were doing andwe got protests every day in
this country now trying to fightthe evil that's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
It is just very.
I understand protests andhippies and all that.
It's just very unfortunate.
What happened to those veteransand and I think that's the
moral of the story is, no matterwhat you think about the war,
um, these young men are sent toeven if they signed up for it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
It's not right and none of them are untouched.
No, whether I mean if yousurvived and you came home with
all your limbs, um, you sawsomebody you knew die, um, or
you were hooked on heroin whenyou came home or an alcoholic,
and then you die in a caraccident because you were and
your family hates you becausethey think you're a piece of

(01:25:07):
shit, because you're analcoholic and they don't
understand what happened to youand then you drive off of a pier
to water, because nobodyunderstands what you've been
through.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
And you didn't even go to Vietnam, you went to Haiti
In the 90s.
Oh God, anyway, All right, soit's time anyway, the moral of
the story is you don't have toagree with the war, but and you
don't have to agree with any ofthat but these young men are

(01:25:38):
going over and, yes, they arefighting for your freedom and
you don't even have to believein that, but these are all human
beings and they are seeingthings that no human being
should have to see.
They are dealing with thingsthat no human being should have
to deal with.
So support your troops.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I could never do it.
No, never.
And I meet with high schoolerswho are planning their futures
and when they say they wanna goin the military, I'm like why do
you want to go in the military?

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
I know a lot of these people.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
And you better give me a damn good reason.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
A lot of them go in for the college and for the job
and they did not really sign upto go to war.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Or their parents were in or whatever.
But yeah, I will forever andever and ever appreciate our
veterans, because I couldn't doit and I like being free for
however long that we have it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
So if you'd like to be free, also, wait, I need to
get to Mark.
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Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
We were awful when I got here.

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