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What happens when a Navy veteran with a PhD in psychology turns novelist? Stories that heal, characters who transform, and readers who find themselves within the pages.

Dr. Audrey Ann Moses doesn't just write fiction—she creates psychological roadmaps disguised as compelling stories. In this heartfelt conversation with Dr. Jacqueline Cox, Moses reveals how her eight published novels, including the "Saved by Grace" series and "Earl Grey Chronicles," each tackle specific mental health challenges through vibrant, authentic characters.

"I let my characters write themselves," Moses explains, describing her immersive approach to developing personalities like Jane Doe from "Dead Girl Walking"—a woman whose parents named her as a cruel joke, marking her entire existence as a mistake. Through Jane's journey, readers witness the painful struggle to escape "living in the muck" and the transformative power of realizing "there is light outside the tunnel."

The conversation takes us behind the writer's curtain, exploring Moses' journey from reluctant journaler (who once burned five years of diaries from her darkest times) to published author. Her turning point came through a friend's challenge: "How do you know nobody wants to read your words if you don't give them the chance?"

Moses' unique blend of psychological expertise and deep faith infuses her approach to storytelling and her work as a Christian life coach. "Without God, nothing happens correctly," she reflects, while explaining her coaching philosophy of "unsticking" people rather than creating dependency.

Whether you're struggling with your own writing journey, searching for authentic representation of mental health in fiction, or simply craving stories with genuine spiritual depth, Dr. Moses offers wisdom that extends far beyond the page. Her mission? Creating books where readers see themselves, find practical solutions, and witness characters evolving across generations—breaking chains of negativity at their core.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:10):
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Walk for Lupus Now Foundation.
Hello, hello, hello, all right,y'all, we are back with this
next episode of the 25 AwesomeAuthors, and today we have
coming back to the stage one ofmy favorite people in the world,

(01:32):
dr Audrey Ann Moses.
Now y'all know, before we jumpinto today's episode, you
already know how we do over here.
Okay, know how we do over here.
Okay, don't be alarmed, it'sall me, my real hair, okay.
Okay, I was not in the moodtoday, okay.

(01:53):
So I just kind of fluffed itout and said what they see is
what they gonna get, okay, so ifyou don't like it, change, okay
, all right.
So y'all know how we do overhere.
We keep God first andeverything.
So let's open this up with alittle prayer for this space.
Thank you for this platform andfor this awesomely, awesomely,

(02:15):
awesomely divine connection.
I ask that you bless thisconversation today and let it be
led by your holy spirit, lordgod, use dr audrey Ann's words
to heal, uplift and break chainsoff somebody listening.
Let this be more than aninterview.
Let it be a ministry, and forevery heart that's tuning in,

(02:35):
lord God, I pray they receiveexactly what they didn't even
know that they was going to get.
Okay, in Jesus' mighty name,amen.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Amen amen.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
All right.
So welcome back, fam, toanother anointed episode of
Listen Linda Book Club.
I am your host, Dr JacquelineCox, your literary midwife,
purpose pusher and the woman whobelieves your story ain't over
just because it's missing.
Okay, Today's guest is somebodyyou guys really need to lean in

(03:15):
and pay attention to.
Dr Audrey Ann Moulton is notjust an author, she is a force.
Her book, James Journey, AJournal of Transformation, is
not just pages, y'all, it'spower, it's healing and it's
testimony.
And for every woman who's everasked can something good still

(03:37):
come from this?
Let's welcome the one and onlymy mama, Audrey.
Dr Audrey Ann Mullin.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Hello everybody, how you doing, how you doing.
It's a wonderful day here and Iam just so pleased to be in the
midst of Miss Dr Jackie Cox.
You know I call her JackieLinda, and so because she's my
baby girl and I love her, and soand I love her, jackie Cox, and

(04:09):
I love her her vision of listen, linda, you know, when you
first see it you think it'sgoing to be a bunch of gossip
and everything.
But no, no, we don't gossip,not really.
We don't gossip, not really.

(04:33):
So we, we talk about realthings and we talk about real
incidences and and how God haspulled us out of the muck more
than once and I really enjoybeing with her in a personal
setting and on air.
So, good morning, darling, Ilove you.
How's things going with you?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
good morning, darling .
I love you.
How's things going with you?
So for the people who don'tknow you and it may not be a lot
of them, because anybody whofollowed me know you, honey,
because you've been here sinceday one but for the people who
don't, explain a little bitabout who you are and what it is
that you do, I am a Christianlife coach and I am an author.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
I've written eight novels and several anthology
chapters.
I have posted in magazines,including Listener to magazine,
and I do workshops for anythingdealing with personal growth and

(05:31):
transition.
I am a psychologist byeducation, if you're interested
in knowing about that.
I am a psychologist byeducation.
I taught psychology at HamptonUniversity in Hampton, virginia,
and at Piedmont TechnicalCollege in Greenwood, south

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Carolina.
I'm retired United States Navy,always a sailor.
I completed 22 and a half yearsof honorable service.
I completed 22 and a half yearsof honorable service and I'm
just happy.
You know I have a husband.
I have four adult children, 10grands and two great grands and

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you know life is good.
It's good.
I you know I love it.
You know God has been good tome through all of these years.
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
And I know he has more in store for me and so I
just love living life.
Praise God Well in the Navybefore stepping into full time.
You know ministry and writing.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
How did that discipline and service shape
your voice as an author and as acounselor?
Well, to be honest, um, youknow how you do those
personality tests so they cansee, um, you know if you are.
Um, you know what do.
They used to call it a, a typea or type z or whatever.
Well, I, I had enough ofdiscipline to not get kicked out

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of the Navy.
You know, I had enoughdiscipline.
And see, people don'tunderstand.
Yeah, people don't understandthat.
You know, I grew up in adisciplined environment.
My mom was an authoritarian shewrote the book on authoritarian
.
My mom was an authoritarian,she wrote the book on

(07:52):
authoritarian, and so.
So, my mom was an authoritarianand she and so when I joined
the Navy, I told my boot campcommander.
I said there is nothing you cando or say to me that is going

(08:13):
to make me be any, be moreafraid than my mama.
So just bring it on, you know,just bring it on.
You know so, um, so, but youknow, I love the Navy and I
learned how to be a grown-upbecause I joined the Navy when I
was 19.
Um, and I learned how to be agrownup and I learned how to say
what I had to say, withoutbeing mean and ugly and without

(08:35):
cursing, and, you know, without,without being showing my fear.
Now, sometimes I did show fear,you know, depending on what the
situation was, but I learned howto communicate in a way that
everybody understood what Imeant and what you will do.

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It's like my children.
I always said please, and thankyou, and yes, sir, to them, and
yes, ma'am, and.
And people would say why do youdo that?
You know they're not adults.
I said no, but I'm teachingthem how to be adults and I'm
teaching them to understand thatI'm not asking their permission

(09:18):
.
Even now, my children are grownand I will and I will ask them
to do something own and I willask them to do something.
But in their mind, they knowthat I'm asking them, but this
is something I need for them todo, and so they know, they
recognize that authority in meand I appreciate it please,

(09:44):
ma'am, please, ma'am, yes,please, ma'am, or please, sir,
but it's still in the way, likeI'm not asking.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, I'm telling you , but I'm going to do it in a
respectful way, where you stillknow, and that's how we are here
.
You know, we're the same waywith our kids and our kids, no
matter where they go somebodysay something to them and you
know this for fact, jayden say,um, yes, ma'am.
If you ask them a question, yes, ma'am, no ma'am, yeah, they're

(10:15):
yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am,no, no, um, no, ma'am, um,
anytime they address an adult,it's always ma'am or sir.
And if they don't?

Speaker 4 (10:26):
my grown kids, my grown kids, my grown I have
grown grandchildren and they all, they all know.
And so in my books, startingwith Saved by Grace, I wrote the
books so that people willunderstand this is real life, so
that people will understandthis is real life.
You know, yes, it's fiction,yes, the names are made up, yes,

(10:48):
the situation is made up, butthe facts are facts.
You know, the different thingsthat happen in the books are
things that happen in real life,with the consequences of real
life consequences of it.
And I wrote it that way becauseI wanted people to be able to

(11:08):
understand how life is from apsycho, psychological standpoint
, you know.
So if, if, if somebody hasanger issues, these are the
things that will occur.
Um, and each one of my books Ihave eight books and each one of
my books has one or twopsychological issues in them and

(11:31):
showing how it occurs, showingwhat it looks like and showing
what the results are in reallife.
You know, and so you know, I'mhaving fun writing them, because
I'm writing from my own voice,but I'm making sure that each
character has its own voice, youknow, and its own, its own

(11:52):
person, and so so I've beenhaving fun writing my books.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Absolutely.
I know you have because I'vehad fun reading them.
So I know you had fun right.
And while we are, I'm glad youmentioned saved by grace, so
you're saved by grace series andthe earl gray chronicle started
back in 1997.
For those of y'all who don'tknow, I was eight years old yeah
okay, and it started back as acreative writing writing class

(12:21):
manuscript that I'm project.
And when did you first realizethat writing was more than an
assignment to you but a calling?

Speaker 4 (12:35):
well, I always was a writer, always from a child.
I always kept a journal, you,you know.
I have now in a box somewhere aportfolio I made of pictures of
different events that happenedthroughout my life, you know,
and I did it as things occurred,you know, and I have little

(13:00):
writings in there.
I have a paper that I savedfrom.
I got an A on in my writing,you know, english class or
something, and so I've alwayskept a journal all my life and
I've always loved to read all mylife.
So I knew that I wanted to write.

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I just didn't allow myself toaccept that that is something I
really could do, you know.
So I did it in private, youknow, and I used to read like
memoirs of different people andI would hear about, you know,
somebody died and or didn't die,and their kids found their

(13:44):
journals and had them publishedand it was like, oh my God, no,
no, no.
So I think five of my journalsI had, I burned them because
they were dark times in my lifeand and so it was about five or
six years that I burned becauseI did not want anybody to

(14:05):
publish them later, you know,and because it was a really dark
time in my life and um, andevery time I went back, you know
, you say you write a journal sothat you can go back and see
how much you've grown.
And I understood that and Iwould go back and read it and I
would.
I could see how much I've grown, but I could also see that that

(14:28):
maybe I'm still there, you know.
And so I said I'm not going to.
So I burned them so I wouldn'tkeep reliving that life, and and
so that nobody else would bringit out, you know.
So I figured I would burn mydirt, send it back to dirt and
leave it there, you know, and so, but when I really learned that

(14:54):
it is possible to actually bean author, I I did a portion of
my dissertation and a reallygood friend of mine, dr Kenneth
Mafuka, was a professor, he wasa history professor at Lander
College here in Greenwood, southCarolina.

(15:32):
My dissertation, which was athesis about mentorship and
comparing the mentorshippractices of the Maasai tribe in
Africa with African-AmericanBlack men and how these two
groups of men mentored theirboys, and it was, it was
phenomenal.
You know, dr Mafuka helped mewith the research, the African

(15:52):
research, and you know we didthe American research and it was
phenomenal to see thedifference and how they're
mentored and the progression ofthe Maasai tribe as opposed to
the progression of theAfrican-American male side, and
why there was such a bigdifference.

(16:13):
So anyway, I published it in abook and it became his textbook
for his history class at theuniversity.
So that's the first book that Iactually published and that was
2010.
And so then, you know, I didn'tdo anything else after that and

(16:34):
I show a really good friend ofmine, who was my coach, a copy
of the manuscript I had written,which eventually became Saved
by Grace, and if you have readthe book, that manuscript is the
first chapter called theRestaurant, you know.
And so I showed her that andshe was like, why aren't you

(16:59):
writing this in a book andpublishing it?
Because my professor told methat it was ready.
You know, all I had to do wasjust add more to it and
publishing it.
Because my professor told methat all that it was ready.
You know, all I had to do wasjust add more to it and publish
it.
But in 1997 I didn't.
I was like, oh, thank you somuch, you know, and just put it
in a drawer and left it there,you know, and back then, um,

(17:20):
self self-publishing was, wasbecoming a, but it wasn't a
thing yet, you know, it wasbecoming a thing and back then
you had to rely on brick andmortars and you had to rely on
people that decided if your bookwas good enough.

(17:41):
And I didn't want to go throughthat.
I did not want to go throughsomebody that don't know me,
that don't know what I've beenthrough, don't know why I wrote
the book the way I did, to say,oh well, nobody's going to read
this book and send it back witha denied stamp on it, you know.
So I just left it in the drawerand my friend said, I told her,

(18:04):
I said don't nobody want toread my words?
And she said how do you knowthat?
And I'm like what do you mean?
She said how do you know nobodywants to read your words if you
don't give it to them to read?
Right, you know?
How do you know?
You're assuming that nobodywants to read your words because
of your own fears.
You're not giving people anopportunity to tell you whether

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they want to read your words ornot.
So after that I had been dulyadmonished, you know, beaten,
beaten with a switch, you know.
And so I, you know, I wrote thebook and I published the book.
Then my publisher was KellyPublishers.

(18:51):
Her name is Kelly Cruz, shelives in Pennsylvania and she
helped me publish my book.
And back then it was not KDP onAmazon, it was Create Space,
create Space.
And so, yeah, it was CreateSpace, yeah, it was Create Space
.
And so she did it for me and Isold a lot of books and I was

(19:13):
like, wow, and people werecoming back, people read the
book and they were like, wait aminute, what happened to
so-and-so?
Wade was one of the maincharacters in the book, and so
it was like, well, what happenedto Wade?
I said, what do you mean?
Because I think I'm done.
You know, I'm not getting readyto write.
I wrote a book, praise God, Iwrote a book, I'm published,

(19:34):
library of Congress has my book,I'm good, yeah.
And so then they were like, no,no, you got to write another
book because we got to know whathappened to Wade.
I'm like, why?
So that's, that's, how come Iwrote the story of Wade, you
know.
So so I wrote Jackie, give me asecond, I'm going to show these

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.
This is.
This was my first book Saved byGrace, and it's still on Amazon
and I still have copies,obviously, that you can get
autographed.
But this is Saved by Grace, myfirst book.
And then I had to write aboutWade, so I had to write Wade's

(20:18):
story.
So so I wrote Wade's story andand yes, that's the link you can
get him autographed.
And so I wrote about Wade.
And then, you know, as I wrotemy other books, then the same
thing happened.
It's like, wait a minute, whathappened to so-and-so?
You know so my other series was, you Like, unenlightited

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Memories and the State ofAffairs, and so they were like
what happened with Scotty,because he got on my last nerve,
so I need to know what did theydo with him, you know.
So I had to write another book,you know.
So you know.
I'm really grateful.
Every time I see Denise, yeah,I hug her neck because if it

(21:05):
wasn't for her, none of thesebooks would be written now.
Thank you, kelly.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Hey girl, thank you, Kelly girl, we appreciate it.
Yes, yes, yes, now you writeboth fiction and therapeutic
narratives like Jane's Journeyright, which is one of my
favorites Dead Girl Walking.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Dead Girl Walking.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
How do you balance storytelling with counseling, so
each character becomes morethan just a plot point?

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Because in I'm looking now I had it sitting
right here.
But anyway, um, with dead girlwalking I started writing dead
girl.
I wrote dead girl walkingbecause my friend, dr Rhonda
Lawson, wanted to do a back tothe Renaissance fiction

(22:09):
storytelling and so she did ananthology.
That is an awesome anthology.
I think I have it here, maybenot, maybe not, but anyway she

(22:30):
wrote this.
She started this anthologycalled A Renaissance of.
It was like a narrative ofBlack fiction authors and we
each had a chapter and she saidwe could write about anything we
wanted.
She didn't really care what thewhat.
She didn't care.
She didn't want our topics toall be about the same thing.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
So, so just I was writing Type of thing right,
Just digest chicken soup for thesoul, type of thing.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Exactly, exactly, exactly, just like that Chicken
Soup for the Soul.
So I was writing the story ofWade at the time and I had
gotten kind of stuck because mydaughter-in-law passed away and
my daughter-in-law and I werekind of talking about what we

(23:28):
were going to do with Wade, youknow, and then my
daughter-in-law passed away andit kind of like shook me really,
really bad, you know, and soyou know the fact that she died
she was only 26 and how she died26 and how she died, you know,

(23:54):
it just really shook me and so Icouldn't write Wade it.
You know, it was like almost ayear before I got back to
writing Wade.
Wade took me a long time towrite because of that, you know,
I just my brain just wouldn'twork with Wade anymore.
So when Dr Rhonda came with heranthology, I was like, okay,
well, maybe I can writesomething different, you know.
And so I just started writingabout.

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I came up with the title.
I was like title.
I was like Dead Girl Walkingand what's in a name?
About a girl whose parentsnamed her Jane Doe, you know,
and spelled it Jane Doe, withJ-A-N-E-D-O-A-H to make it seem
as though it was somethingdifferent.

(24:40):
And you know I was thinkingabout how I was teaching at
Hampton University at the time,I think, 2018.
No, I was living here teachingat Piedmont Tech, and I was.
You know.
You look at your roster and youhave all of these crazy names.
You know that parents,especially with the girls, but
even with the boys some of thesecrazy names that the parents

(25:03):
have named their children, andif you, and if you pronounce
them phonetically, it came outto be Jane Doe, you know, or
something worse, you know.
And so so I started writingabout that and I and I wrote
about this young lady whoseparents first of all, her

(25:26):
parents identified her as amistake because she was a lot
younger than their last childand they they just wasn't
planning on having any morechildren and um, but they kept
doing what you do to havechildren and so, and so here she

(25:47):
came and they consider her amistake.
They treated her like she was amistake and they named her like
she was a mistake.
And and that's how the storystarted with Jane Doe about what
happens when your parents, youknow, name you an awful name and
treat you like that awful name,you know, and her siblings

(26:09):
treated her like that awful nameand they allowed other people
in the world to treat her likeyou know.
And so that's what dead girlwalking is all about.

(26:35):
That's how it starts, that'swhat it goes through.
She lived in New Orleans, so itwas an appropriate name for the
area that she lives in.
So it was an appropriate namefor the area that she lives in,
and, um, there's even a, there'seven a part in there where she
got asked to be a member of acrew on the float for Mardi Gras

(26:55):
, and but she found out that theonly reason they asked her is
but because her name is Jane Doe, they wanted to dress her up
like a dead girl walking.
And so, you know, and she wentthrough her life with that
stigma and that criticism on her.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
You know, throughout the book of Jane's of dead girl
walking james, um of um deadgirl walking now me and you both
.
But I want to say you'veprobably been um, um, an arthur
coach longer than I have, andwhat I mean by arthur coach not
like a certified arthur coach oranything like that we always
got people yeah, I am book orkind of inquiring about, uh,

(27:43):
writing a book and and all those.
So, as an author coach, what'sthe number one tip that you give
writers who feel like theirstory is just not worth telling
or that they K-A-I-N-T, theycan't yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Can't, they can't.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
How do you?

Speaker 4 (28:00):
use that.
Well, yeah, my, you know, mycoaching businesses never say
can't you know C-A-I-N-T?
And?
And I tell them my story.
That's basically.
You know, testimonies areawesome because you don't get a
testimony without a test and andyour testimony, your testimony,

(28:24):
comes about because you areeither walking through it now
and you are seeing the results,or you have walked through it
and you can tell what the endstory is, you know, of that test
, so, so I always use mytestimony about, you know, what
Denise told me, because if shehad not said that to me, I would

(28:49):
not be an author, I would nothave met you, I would not have
met Dr Laquita or Dr Velma or usgot together.
I have, I have, um, I have metso many authors, so many authors

(29:12):
um, men and women, and theyhave all become my family.
You know, and um, and thatwould never have happened if I
had not listened to the counselof Denise, you know, and so, um,
so I tell people my story and Ilet them know that, um, that
God is good and God putseverything in place when it's

(29:34):
supposed to be in place, youknow, and if God has put her
volumes, volumes of journalsthat she has, of poems that she
has written and a book that shehas written about her life, that

(29:59):
she that has been sitting in onthe shelf in a drawer in a box
somewhere all her life, justlike I did.
You know, my first four books Iwrote with stuff that I had
sitting around already, you know, and so so, yes, yeah, so yeah,

(30:21):
I'm a.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I'm a original poet and spoken word artist.
I get into actually writingactual books until mountains can
rise without earthquakes, andeven with every single thing
that I write, I alwaysincorporate poetry, because
that's that's my foundation,that's where I come from, so I

(30:43):
had a lot of poetry over theyears that I kind of repurposed
and just wrote it a littledifferent here and there.
But that's how it Can't AlwaysBe.
Night was birthed.
It was birthed through poetrythat I had over the course,
since I was five years old, allthe way up until now.
So I definitely understand thatand I know you're talking about

(31:04):
.
Hey, Amanda girl, she's goingto be featured in an edition of
Listen to Linda magazine and I'mso excited to have her.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, she's phenomenal, her stuff.
Her stuff is passionate, youknow, when you read her it is
passionate, you know, and I knowthat her words, it's like when
I read Melanie's words.
Oh, my goodness, I'm just likeI'm laughing and I'm crying and.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I'm hurting and I want to fight somebody you know,
yes, she's the voice for real,she is.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Yeah, she is a voice for real you got it, baby.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
You mad too.
She in love with something.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Tell Melanie we got our lipstick on.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Melanie Johnson, because you know, she told me
the other day on her live y'allshe said her mama always told
her it don't matter what you doin the world, you don't got to
put on no makeup, you don't gotto do nothing, but you never let
nobody without someone.
So, baby, because you knowy'all, sometimes I don't care, I

(32:13):
get on here and I say what Igot to say and I say peace.
But not today, melanie.
I make sure, from now on, if Idon't do nothing else, I'll put
something on these okay in myoffice.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
So I don't forget it yeah, me too in my drawer, but,
but we got hours on.
But, um, but um, I I really I Ilove being an author coach, my,
my, my good sister, my goodsister, um, um leticia warner,

(33:02):
um perry leticia warner, perWarner Perry and Jackie has met
her as well um Leticia Leticia,um has really helped me with a
lot of things because, um, youknow, she helps me with my, my
admin stuff and things like that.
But and she is Dr Letitia Perryand Dr Letitia no, she's

(33:28):
Letitia Warren on Facebook.
So right on Facebook, look herup.
Look her up on Facebook, drLetitia Warren, and so.
But you know, she is alwaysencouraging me and I remember
when she was writing her firstbook she asked me about being an
author Cause.
She said aren't you an authorcoach?
I didn't even know what thatreally was.

(33:49):
I was like, no, I don't think.
So she says where you helpother people to um, write their
books, and I'm like I'm barelywriting my own book, so so you
know, she was the one thatintroduced me to being a coach
and she said I would.
She said I would be a greatcoach, and so again, I took

(34:10):
somebody else's word for it andI really do like it.
And I have had some people thatI'm like Dr Rhonda Larson would
say.
I've had some people that take,take my advice and use it, you
know, and then go in a differentdirection.
You know I have had that happen, you know.

(34:32):
So I had a young man that cameto me and I kind of told him
what he needed to do, and Ishowed him what he needed to do,
but when he saw how much it wasgoing to cost, he went a
different direction and and andit didn't turn out well for him
and I'm not talking bad, I'mtrying not to talk bad but he

(34:53):
published his book but all thesame, errors were in it.
All the formatting was wrong,it was.
It was horrible, you know.
And so he paid somebody $3because he didn't want to pay me
$7, you know.
And he paid somebody $3 andthey gave him $3 worth of work,

(35:14):
you know, and so that's whathappens, yeah, but that's what
happens.
But I was glad to say that I atleast gave him some information
.
But, you know, I have had theprivilege of working with people
and helping them to formattheir stuff and it came out well
, so I was happy about that.
I also help with dissertationsand thesis, because I did thesis

(35:40):
With my master's degree and allmy hair fell out and I did a
doctorate.
You know, when I did mydoctorate, you know it was a
full doctorate, it was.
It was tedious, you know.

(36:00):
It took me two years to get allmy classwork and everything
done, and then it took me, youknow, almost another year to get
my research done and to get mypaper written for my, for my
dissertation, and, and you know,oh, you know, and when you have
to do your defense.
It was crazy.
It was crazy and I had to doall my stuff online, including

(36:20):
the defense.
So I needed help and I askedfor help and I had other people
to help me to make sure mypaperwork was right, to make
sure, you know, my APA was right, and and so um.
So I'm happy to help people thatare working on their thesis and
working on their doctorates andum, getting ready for their

(36:40):
dissertations, you know, andbecause, because I know how
nerve wracking it can be and soso, so I I enjoy doing that and
and I try to stay within theworld that I understand, you
know.
So you know, if you're going to, if you need to do some writing
about neurosurgery, I'm.

(37:01):
I can make sure the words arespelled right, but that's about
it.
You know, I can't tell you ifyour facts are right or not, but
I can make sure the words arespelled right.
You know so.
But you know I enjoy doing that.
So I enjoy helping authors.
I enjoy helping high school.

(37:23):
I haven't really worked withhigh school um students, but I
do work with college studentswith their writing their papers
and writing their um in intern,um, uh, information, whatever it
is.
They have to do with collegeand um, you know, upper level
work, and then I'm just doing mywriting.

(37:45):
I wrote, I've done five, sixanthologies and, like I said, I
love writing magazine articles.
So I do that for two differentmagazines.
We're not going to talk abouther, okay.
We're not going to talk abouther, okay.

(38:05):
We're not going to talk aboutListen, linda magazine, because
it's an awesome magazine.
It's an awesome magazine, butthat editor, we love her.
We love her Very lightly, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Very lightly, ma'am yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
It's an awesome magazine magazine and the editor
is awesome because you know she, she definitely is patient with
me and I know she's patientwith the other art, with um.
You know other contributors,the other authors and um.
Dr colada davis is alsospreading the gospel magazine.
She does a magazine calledDivine Women.
It's a digital magazine and shedoes a magazine called Arthur's

(38:52):
Voice and so I write for those,for her, and I just really
enjoy it because I get to put mywords out more and more and I'm
getting more and morecomfortable.
So the more you do it, the morecomfortable you become with it
and I pray and ask God to tellme what people might want to
know about so that I pick mytopics with divine intervention,

(39:16):
because even though I'm afiction writer, it doesn't mean
that I don't need God, because Ido, you know, and I allow God,
because when people read mybooks, when people read Jane's
journey, I want them to see whatshe is going through
emotionally, physically,spiritually and, you know, in

(39:37):
her relationships with hernewfound sister, in her
relationship with her new babies, in her relationship with other
people that she have met.
I want people to see how shehas learned, how to turn to God
for inspiration, for help ondecision-making, because that's

(39:58):
something she didn't used to doin dead girl walking, because
she didn't know.
She didn't know that she had aGod on her side that loved her.
She didn't know she had a Godon her side that has been
watching over her all of thistime and helping her to walk in
the direction, putting thepeople in place that needed to
be in place, that if she chosethem, then she would be walking

(40:20):
in the direction that he issending her in.
She had to learn all of that,you know from strangers, not
from her family, not from herhusband.
She learned that from strangers.
So don't be wary of strangerscoming and telling you about
Jesus, because God is sendingthem to you so that you can

(40:41):
fulfill the purpose, so that youcan learn that there is a God
that loves you and honors youand just is so devoted that his
let his own son die on a crossjust for you, just for you.
So so make sure I'm see I'mgetting a tear Make sure that

(41:04):
that you know you don't turnthese people away.
Listen to them, be kind, listento them and then observe, absorb
whatever it is they got to say,because that's what Jane had to
learn, you know, and Jane's.
I don't know why I can't findmy Jane's Journey book, but you
just had it.
I mean my, my dead girl walking.
I had it right here, but anyway.

(41:26):
So yeah, just just read thebooks and then do what Jane did,
you know, do what Jane did.
So let God, let God use you,let God move you, you know so,
in the direction that he wantsyou to go.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I 100% agree with that, and I think that's kind of
like how I move when I becauseI'm an Arthur coach as well um,
and people tell me all the timewas some people, how you gonna
be an Arthur coach if you ain'teven been doing it that long?
Well, well, it's not about.
Hey, melanie, girl, we got ourlip.
Hey, yeah, just talking aboutyou, we made sure our lips.

(42:11):
Hey, girl, we ain't come uphere with no crusty lips, girl,
because I saw your lab oh, neveragain.
That is right, thank you so much.
Yeah, so, um, I I tell peopleall the time it's not how long

(42:31):
you do it, it's about your lovefor doing it and if you're doing
it correctly, like I'm doing itcorrectly, I want to be able to
show people like um that theycan do it too and that it's
really not into it that theythink it is, and I and I,
anything that I learned I justwanted to tell people.
I want to show people that youdon't have to spend thousands

(42:53):
and thousands of crazy dollarsor, like you say, got to go
through a big publisher who'sgoing to tell you if you're
worthy or not.
You can do these things on yourown.
And that is what leads me toour break that we're going to
have from our sponsor and thenwe're going to come back.
We got about maybe another fewquestions that I want to ask you

(43:14):
before we close out.
So, just a one minute from oursponsor and then we'll come
right back, okay.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
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Speaker 2 (44:20):
Right, write it, publish, live it.
Okay, and so we're back with DrAudrey and Moses.
You guys just seen what'scoming up now, august 1st, with
the Listen Linda Arthur Bootcamp, the 21 Day Bootcamp Challenge.
It comes with everything.

(44:40):
You get 10 free copies of yourbook, you get weekly one-on-one
coaching, you get a roadmap topublishing your book, you get
author prompts, you get editing,formatting, book cover design
and your book will be on Amazon,ready to go on sale in your
bank account, along with thebestseller on day 21.

(45:02):
Okay, so I'm teaching youeverything to KDP how to edit
your book, how to format yourbook, but also how to always get
bestseller.
Okay, because everything I'veever touched a seller, I know
the format, I got the oil andI'm ready to kind of spill it
over and give it to you guys sothat program is a three-week

(45:26):
program.
Um, it is six hundred dollars.
You cannot beat that with abaseball bat, especially.
Get your book, honey, I don'tknow where you're going to go,
but that price won't be thatprice the next day.
Ok, so if you want to be in theclass and you want to get it
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(45:48):
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So if it's something that youwant to do and you just haven't
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the way for 24 months.
Okay, so $600 as long as youneed to, and I am here to teach
you every single thing that Iknow, and we're going to have
fun doing it.
You're going to get lunch anddoor dash to your door with your

(46:11):
food.
It's going to be a good timeevery week, okay, so come on in
with everything.
You have a digital workbook youcan go back and forth and read
over your notes.
You're going to have homework.
It's just going to be a realgood time.
So holler at your girl, go towwwlistenlinda1.com.

(46:31):
Wwwlistenlinda1.com.
For more information,information, or, if you're ready
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want to know more about it,inbox me.
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(46:54):
hey, I want to be involved.
Or you can comment below andsay hey, how can I be involved?
I want to tune in?
Yeah, so thank you so much,melanie.
Ain't that a good and that's agood deal.
Girl, yeah, you can't be thatbad.
You're going to walk away with abestseller, 10 copies of your
book and you're going to knoweverything I know on how to

(47:16):
reach out, which is a lot, yeah,categories, how to do
everything you've learned for$600.
And it comes with a publishedbook.
Okay, so spaces are limited.
I think I may, may, have twospaces left for this program.
So holla at your girl and youneed to do that ASAP.
Okay, so right back to my girl.

(47:38):
My Arthur coach, not my Arthurcoach, but my Christian life
coach, because she is myChristian life coach and I'm
willing to share.
Okay, just pay her before thecall starts.
Okay, I'm saying that she's notbut, I, am Okay, so we're going
to get back to that and and thisbook.

(48:07):
Okay, so your characters in allyour books, they evolve across
generations, right?
So it kind of represents fromwhat I see, right, it represents
healing identity purpose.
What I see, right, itrepresents healing identity
purpose, what continues to drawyou back to Jane's story and
Jane's journey, instead ofstarting something entirely
different Like what is it aboutJane?

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Well, jane's not done with her walk yet, and so, and
it wouldn't be fair to just dropher off in the middle of the
road, you know so, and so I amreally wanting Jane to realize

(48:52):
what her ultimate stopping pointwill be.
And when I say stopping point,I don't mean stop forever, but I
mean that this part of herjourney is completed and then
she's going to start a newjourney, you know, because
that's what life is all about.
You know, we always.
You know, when I was in schoolwe studied the hierarchy of, you

(49:18):
know, the hierarchy chain, andit's like a triangle, and at the
bottom it shows like theprogression of humans.
At the bottom you have what'simportant food, shelter, clothes
, you know, water, sex.
Those are um human, um, umcarnal needs, you know.

(49:41):
And then it goes up to familyand friends.
That you know.
You know, even if you say youdon't need nobody, that's a lie.
Everybody needs somebody, youknow.
And so it shows that, yourfriend, the level for your
friends, then it shows yourlevel for your career path or
whatever that is in finances,and you know, and it just goes

(50:02):
up till it gets to the peak, and, and the theory is that when it
gets to the peak, it's called ahierarchy of needs.
When it gets to the peak, tothe peak it says you have
reached all of your hierarchy ofneeds.
So maybe at the peak you mightbe, you know, if it finances
your thing, then you may say,well, I'm at my peak when I'm a

(50:24):
trillionaire, millionaire.
You know whatever type person.
If you're a spiritual, youmight say that you're at the
highest spiritual level that youcan be at.
But in reality, can you ever bedone?
In reality you are never done.
So you may come to a peak inone situation but you're at the

(50:48):
bottom in another situation.
So you start over.
So when you're setting yourgoals and your objectives for
your life, you're always settingthose goals, inject and
objectives to finish this, moveover to that and go on up and
move over to this and go on up.
You know, and you keep doingthat until you die.
You know.
And so in jane's, in jane's umreality, she has already um in

(51:14):
in dead girl walking, she hasalready reached a peak of her
low life, of her, the lowestparts of her life.
She has reached the peak ofthat and she is learning that
she doesn't have to live there.
You know she is learning.
How many people do we know thatthink they have to live in the

(51:34):
muck, that they don't have achoice?
You know and so they never moveout of that hierarchy that the
peak of that hierarchy is livingin the top level of the muck.
You know when that is no, no,you're depressed all the time.
You're mean you're.
You know, or you are lettingpeople walk all over you, or you

(51:57):
are not even meeting your ownpersonal needs, let alone able
to meet other people's needs.
That is not success, you know.
That is not reaching thehighest that God intends for you
to be.
So you move up and then you goup a little bit higher.
You move up and you go up alittle bit higher.
And that's how, you know, wesurvive this life until God

(52:19):
comes, you know.
So, in Jane's situation and deadgirl walking, at the end of
dead girl walking, you can seeand I'm not going to tell you
what she did because I want youto read the book, but at the end
of dead Girl Walking, you knowyou can see that she is seeing
above the mud.

(52:40):
You know she is seeing above.
She is seeing that there is,like we say, light, light
outside of the tunnel.
We always say in the tunnel, atthe end of the tunnel, there is
no such thing as the end, youknow.
So she can see that there islight, and so now she's trying
to figure out how to get to thatlight.
You know, and when you readJane's journey, she's learning a

(53:02):
little bit more about how toget to that light.
And then, you know, and as wego on in her next book, she's
learning a new.
Now she's learning differentthings.
So, um, so she's alwaysevolving, so so I'm.
So Jane is not ready to silenceher voice yet, and I say it

(53:24):
like that because Jackie knowsthat I let my characters write
themselves.
Like last night I was writingsomething about Jane and I was
like, ok, I become the character, yeah, I become the character,
and then I write what thecharacter is telling me to write

(53:49):
.
You know so, and that's the wayI write.
People write differently, buteach one of my characters in my
book, when I'm writing aboutthat character, I become that
character.
That's how I was, because youhave to.
You have to because otherwiseyou can't really find the right

(54:10):
voice, you know, for whateverthat scene is, whatever that
scene is, so, so Jay has stillgot a walk to do, you know.
And my other books too.
I'm going back to Saved byGrace, because when I stopped at
Wade, wade is book two and Ihad already started outlining

(54:30):
book three but I never wrote itbecause I just wasn't ready.
And and um.
But I'm ready now to um,continue on with the Martin
family and um, book three of theum, saved by Grace series, you
know, and, and I have my bookscategorized in series.

(54:52):
So I have my great Saved byGrace series, that Saved by
Grace, and um.
So I have my great Saved byGrace series, that Saved by
Grace, and Story of Way.
Then I have my Earl GreyChronicles and Earl Grey is the
tea you know and so my Earl GreyChronicles, which is uninvited
memories, state of affairs,deception, state of affairs,

(55:12):
revelation.
State of Affairs, deception,state of Affairs, revelation.
And I'm going to start in 2026.
You're going to see State outso that I'm not writing like 15

(55:42):
books at one time, you know,because that'll make you crazy,
but yeah, so I clocked it.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
That was shade girl, I clocked it.
I be writing so much much myhead be over here spinning
around like this baby girl.
I be having to call people thenext day cause I be going
through with y'all.
I be having all them differentcharacters in my mind and stuff
I be talking about.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
It's a lot it is a lot, it is a lot yeah,
definitely have to pay.
It is a lot, it is a lot.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Especially if you want to get into writing and and
with me I write a lot ofnon-fiction fiction, trauma, you
know, but I also write how Godbrought me through it.
But you still have to go back,unpack and relive that stuff and
if you in the middle of writingand you and the people are
going back and reliving some ofthose things.

(56:41):
it's best not to have nobodyaround you that you love, baby,
because you'll lose them forlife.
Loud shout you see your mindBecause you still now you done,
went back and you hurt all overagain and you opening up those
old wounds.
So you have to make sure youroot it in your word.
You have to make sure that youare supportive, Right, I'm going

(57:02):
to give you your space andthey're going to understand.
You know what?
She in there writing about thisstuff.
She thinking about it overagain.
We're going to give us somegrace and not judge you.
So if you are a person like mewho I tell my story, I give my
testimony to help other people,but a lot of times you sacrifice

(57:23):
your own self in that processbecause you have to go back and
be willing to be hurt again andyou have to really be willing to
open those wounds so otherpeople can see.
Like I like to say, right, whenI'm talking to my people, I
want to see the white me.
I want to see what hurts you sobad and because I'm always one

(57:44):
of the people, I need to see itto believe it.
So if I'm going to believe thatGod brought me to do it, I need
to see how bad it got for youright and to see where you are
today, and so I try to be thattransparent, you know, with my
work and then even with myauthors who come in.
Well, not my authors, they'retheir own authors, but the

(58:06):
beautiful women who come in andtry to help them, tell their
stories and give theirtestimonies, and my endowments
and devotionals and poeticfinishes different things like
that.
I coached them through thatprocess too, um and I had turned
in something to me the otherday and I gave my feedback on
like kind of like the holes thatwere missing and you know

(58:27):
different things that they cancome just to get get them tips
on.
Of course you have a greatpiece right, because most of the
people who come in already aregreat authors, but I still want
I give.
Give them feedback based on areader's perspective, kind of
like if I was your, what I wouldwant to know what what not as

(58:51):
an editor, not as a publisher,but as a reader.
What am I?
What is my eye seeing?
That yeah I'm not reading itfrom eyes or whatever.
I'm reading it from right,there's eyes and I think that
that, yeah, but it also you haveto be able to be vulnerable,
and that's even with fictionright, because, like you say,

(59:11):
you have jane's journey and Igot shot.
Town diamond, diamond and yeah,diamond is kind of that same
kind of what mine's, a littlebit deeper and a little bit more
urban but yeah, yeah you knowyou, you want to be raw, you
want to be transparent, and alot of those stories are real
stories and and real behind realthings, yeah, real life.

(59:33):
And so with with last one, withZora's story and her being
human trafficked, it's a lot ofthat that's going on in the
world, and so when you putyourself into that character,
you become that character.
It's like being an actress andyou come into that character
Sometimes it's hard to becomethat character.
It's hard, yeah, because youhave a Christian life like I got

(59:58):
that because she keep megrounded between her and my fab
seven.
Thank you, I call them the fabseven, honey.
They keep me grounded.
I'm out rushmore keeps megrounded because if it wasn't
for these ladies who paved theway for me and I'm so glad I'm
able to honor you all, uh, with,with the exception of theresa

(01:00:20):
dorsey, I see you, reesey.
Um, she always, she be to be asgood yeah, I still love her yeah
these ladies I'm able to alwaysyeah, she is yeah, but she
doing her thing and I'm so, soproud of her.
Yeah, but, but I get to honorthem every month.
They're contributing writing,but no matter what I'm doing, I

(01:00:43):
have to involve them because Iknew about books, I was in love
with books, I was in love withwriting, but I didn't really
know everything coming into thisand I didn't have know
everything coming into this andI didn't have that support

(01:01:04):
system other than my husbanduntil I met you ladies on the
book slam you, dr Velma LaquitaParks especially, she helped me
so much, dr Laquita Parks.
Carolyn Coleman, melanie, evenChanel Coleman, trivia Payne you
know, these really shaped me asan author, as a writer, um,
they impressed my buds to thecore child.

(01:01:26):
But I know when people dothings they do it out of love.
And then you have to learngrace, because a lot of times
these ladies are writing theirown trauma stories and they go
back and they relive thosethings.
So when you, when you know thatit's even if somebody is
misunderstood and in a specifictime and they learn to give

(01:01:48):
people grace.
And because of people like you,because of dr velma, because of
quita, because, because kailgonna give it to me straight, no
, chaser, but yeah, also is.
Uh, you right, you know, that'smy girl I want to hear.

(01:02:10):
I'm right about everything.
I'm gonna call carolyn, but if Iwant, to I want to hear okay,
jackie, now you wrong, you wrongfor that.
Then I'm gonna call Dr Velma.
But if I want, if I want towell, you know you couldn't have
it that a little different thenI'm gonna call Laquita.
But then if I want to know howGod would want me to act, then

(01:02:35):
I'm going to call Dr Audrey.
So all of them have differentright.
But my cheerleader.
If I got to give anybody credit,is that cow baby?
She don't care, she on Jackie'sside, right on baby.
It's different baby, you ain'twrong, you ain't wrong.
And if you was wrong, rightfirst and you just went wrong
the second time went wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
yeah, she going Went wrong, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
She's going to try to put it in a way where I don't
feel like the world is againstme, but then she'll come back
and tell me it's a different way.
You know, of course you knowCarol, but she's really really I
think you all, the way that youall handle me as a friend as a
daughter, sister in Christ, isremarkable and I try to take

(01:03:20):
that same thing.
Like you say, I'm patient withpeople.
I learned that through y'all.
I learned a lot of that.
I just try to give it back thebest way I can and I truly you
guys, you guys have really stuckwith me these past three years.
I just want to make sure I givey'all y'all flowers, honey,
because I'm not here to tell you, but I'll send you a GIF.

(01:03:41):
Ok, I'll send you a GIF.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Oh, you guys.
You know how much I appreciateyou and you.
You guys are phenomenal writers, phenomenal writers and, like I
said, I've been doing it forthree years now.
I'm a 20-time bestseller andthat's including my magazines,

(01:04:10):
right?
But I can truly say that Iwould not be there if it wasn't
for God first, but for God toput you guys into my life and
you guys be able to call to me.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Yeah, yeah, and I can , yeah, yeah, I can say the same
, if it wasn't for that.
As a life coach and as anauthor, you know, my life has

(01:04:44):
always been, even when I was inthe Navy my life has always been
dependent on what God is, whereGod is putting me and why he's
putting me there.
And you know, and sometimes wedon't know that.
So now, as a coach, I I try tohelp people to see what is
already in them.
So, as a as a psychologist, asa psychotherapist, as a

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counselor, you know, I'm goingto look at what happened in the
past and and we're going toanalyze that and we're going to
see what we can do as acounselor, especially as a
counselor, my goal is going tobe to move you forward, you know
, as opposed to more, um, morekeeping you in the background,

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um, moving you forward.
And as a life coach.
I just wanted to put this outabout my life coaching.
I'm not the one that you cometo.
If you want to pay me money tocome and talk to me every week
for the rest of your life, I'mnot that person, you know,
because if that's what you want,then you go see a psych.

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I have my own psychotherapistthat I go to every three months,
you know, and, and, and we talkabout whatever.
We just talk about whatever.
You know.
She gets all the medical stuffdown in her computer, you know,
and then we just talk aboutwhatever.
But so if that's what you want,then I recommend you go to a

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professional counselor or go toa psychotherapist, and that's OK
, because that's what they'rethere for as well to help you to
talk out all of these thingsthat you have.
What I do is I do listen and Ido help people to talk through
whatever they want.
But my main goal as a Christianlife coach is to help you move

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from where you are, unstick youand when I say unstick I mean
you, helping you to unstickyourself from wherever you are
and moving you forward to whereyou want to be.
You are and moving you forwardto where you want to be.
And when you get there sixweeks from now, you know, eight
weeks from now, three monthsfrom now, six months from now,

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whatever it takes when you getthere, then we're done.
You know, because you goteverything, you need to go where
you want to go.
Now, if you decide you want totalk about something different.
You have another goal, then wecan start over on a new goal,
you know.
But but I'm I'm not the one tosay, oh yeah, come on next week

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for $200,.
You know, a week, come on, I'lltake you $200.
I'm not that person.
Know so because as a Christian,right, I don't want to see
people wasting their money.
You know, number one as aChristian, because I don't waste
my money and so they're notbeing productive.

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You know you're not beingproductive, so.
So I want to see you moveforward.
I have a really good friend thatwas a client of mine, and every
now and then now she'll call,she'll say, you know, I think I
need another session, and she'llgo online and book herself, you
know, and we'll chat, and thenyou know she may not come back

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online for three or four or fivemonths or whatever, because she
is able to do what she needs todo on her own now.
And so when she and I talk onthe phone, we're talking about
the kids, we're talking abouther business.
She's a phenomenal chef, youknow, and she's a phenomenal
author, and so we talk about herbusiness, we talk about her
garden, you know, just girl talk.

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But when she books me, then weare going over.
You know we are going overwhatever it is she wants to
discuss at that time.
You know, and that's perfectlyokay as well.
But my goal is always to helppeople, to make sure that they
are not stuck where they are andthat they are constantly moving

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forward, because that's whatGod put us here.
God expects us to constantlymove forward until he puts us to
sleep.
And then, when he puts us tosleep, then we are done.
You know so, while you'removing forward in your career
life, in your relationship life,you need to be moving forward
in your spiritual life as well,because once you go to sleep,

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that's it.
You don't have no more time,you're not going to wake up and
have time to do it again.
No, you're done.
So once he puts you to sleep,that's it.
That's it.
You know so, um.
So I always in my books, I talkabout, in my books, I talk about

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, um your relationships, I talkabout, um your emotional
well-being.
In my books, and when I'm doingmy counseling, when I'm doing
my workshops, um, when I'm doingmy videos, or whatever I'm
doing, I'm always talking aboutyou and your well-being, your
emotions, your relationshipswith your family and your

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friends, with yourself, yourrelationship with God, because
that's what's important.
Without God, nothing happenscorrectly, nothing.
You may think that you aremoving up in the ladder, but
without God, when that laddercollapses, when you close your
eyes and there is no God, that'sdefinitely the end.

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So, so you want to make surethat there is always God in
there and that you are alwaysmoving forward, because the end
of your hierarchy of needs iswhen you die.
Yeah, that's the end, you know.
So you're always moving forwardand enjoying your life.
You know, I tell people all thetime that you'll see in my books

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that there are sad times andthere are happy times.
You know, because that's whatlife is.
Happy times, you know, becausethat's what life is.
Yeah, life is sad times andhappy times.
Life is times of recollections,sitting on your patio, drinking
, you know, soda or tea, or youknow, rum and Coke or whatever
it is you drink, you know, andreflecting on what you have done

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that day and what you couldhave done better, what could
have happened worse, and whereGod fit in, and all of that you
know, absolutely, as Laquitawould say.
As Laquita would say, that's mystory and I'm sticking to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Better than a turkey peanut butter and jelly huh.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Definitely definitely .

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
You know you kind of already answered this question,
but maybe you can answer it in adifferent way.
Okay, but I do want to say thatyou have the way you've taken
your ministry into every seasonof your career.
What legacy do you want yourbooks to leave behind, not just

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in the reader's minds, but intheir hearts as well?

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
I want them, when people think about me, I want
them to think about a personthat was just a normal everyday
girl.
You know, a normal everyday.
Yes, you know, I have a PhD,which is.
You know, if I had a dollar togo with it, I still wouldn't be

(01:12:26):
able to buy a pack of chewinggum, you know.
So you know it's great for me,I did it for me, I did it for
because it was just some anaccomplishment I wanted to make
and and it does help to get mein some places.
But it's not like what peoplethink, that oh, if I have a
doctorate then I'm there.
No, I want people to thinkabout me as just a regular

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everyday person who loves Godand who loves helping other
people to know that if God is intheir life, life is good.
No matter whether you have apenny in your pocket or a
trillion dollars in the bank, itdoesn't matter.
You know, if you have God inyour life, then you are good.
If you have, if people, if yourfamily knows that you love them

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unconditionally, it doesn'tmean you're going to let them
have their way.
It doesn't mean that you'regoing to condone their ugliness.
It doesn't mean that, but itmeans that when they are hurting
, they know they can come andget a hug from you.
Mean that, but it means thatwhen they are hurting, they know
they can come and get a hugfrom you.
You know.

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It means that they know thatthey can come to you for sound
advice.
That's what I want people toremember me, as that's what I
want my family and mygrandchildren to remember me, as
I want people to remember mybooks as books that were real
life, everyday circumstances,and there were solutions to
those circumstances that werereal, day, everyday solutions,

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not some something in a 15volume psychological manual that
they had to thumb through tofind the answer, though.
You know real day, you know,and story of Wade Wade is
schizophrenic and Wade doescrazy things, but there are
consequences and resolutions forthe things that Wade does, you

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know, not only for him but forthe people that are around him
as well.
You know so, jane.
You know she had to deal withabuse and neglect and it shows
how she took that abuse and shetook that neglect and she turned
it into something different forher children, you know, because

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she wanted to break that chainof negativity at the core right
then, and there.
She did not want her childrento live through that, so she
broke that chain there, you know, and it shows how she did it,
you know.
And the state of affairs youknow a guy grew privileged, you

(01:15:05):
know, and he thought he couldhave his way with every single
thing, but soon he realized thatit wasn't about him, it was
about the people that he was putto serve, you know.
So that's what I try to do.
I try to help everybody to seesomething about themselves and
about other people in my books.
That's real, you know, and it'senjoyable to read it.

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Yeah, there's some comedy inthere.
Yes, there's some switches,because somebody's getting
switched all the time.
You know, there's some, there'ssome ugliness in it, but in the
end, you know, it's stilleveryday life.
So I want my grandchildren andmy great grandchildren to be
proud to say that their grandmawas an author and she wrote good

(01:15:51):
books.
You know that they could readright now as children and as
young adults.
You know, and and so, and youknow that's what I want.
I want people to know me as awoman of God and that I'm down
to earth with even that.
You know.
So, and if you ask me aquestion.

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I'm going to tell you theanswer.
So you make sure you want toknow the answer before you ask
me the question.
That's me, you know, and I loveyou.
That's me, woo, that's me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Woo Listen, Linda, you done.
Snapped my edges baby, Laidthem down and brought them back
honey.
Okay.
I just want to thank you forshowing up real, raw.
Today's journey is truly ablueprint for transformation and

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I'm so, I'm so, so proud ofwhat you birthed.
I truly am.
And for my listeners whohaven't grabbed this book yet,
what you do, okay, your copy,sis.
Get your copy, bro, so you canget your life okay it's time

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you're paying into purpose.
Now let's go ahead, let's sealthis moment in prayer.
Okay, so I'm gonna yes, yes now.
Thank you, thank you for therelease that happened today.
Thank you for every woman whosaw herself in jane.

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I asked you, lord god, to coverdr audrey and, from the crown
of her head to the soles of herfeet, keep thank you god as she
continues, and, lord God, forevery listener who's battling
silently.
Lord God, I pray.
I pray to you, lord God, thatyou remind them that they are

(01:17:55):
not alone and that the journeyis holy as the destination.
We love you, we trust you andwe're walking this thing out
with you in Jesus' name.
Amen, yes, amen, amen.
Keep speaking life, keepwriting truth and keep tuning

(01:18:19):
into the Listen.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
Linda live show.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Don't just bless they break chains over here, okay
yeah, and, and tell the men, mybooks are for men and women,
because I tell you what all ofthese books is a lesson for men
as well.
So don't think you're exemptfrom young men's and my bros.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
OK, make sure, Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
Don't have your copy and I just want to say I just
want to say thank you, jackie.
You're awesome, you'rephenomenal and and literally
folks out there even if youdon't think you are thinking
seriously about a book, youstill want to call her and talk
to her and let her help you talkit through, because she is

(01:19:12):
really phenomenal.
She looks like she's 12, butshe has a lot of wisdom.
Yes, she has a lot of wisdomand she has a lot.
She knows a lot about how to dothings digitally.
She knows a lot about marketing.
She knows a lot about all thosethings that I don't know.

(01:19:33):
I go to her for those things.
So so you know, um, use her.
You know that's what God puther here for.
So you know, look her up onFacebook, too.
For, so you know, look her upon Facebook too.
You know Jacqueline with an IQ-U-I-L-I-N-E and look her up on

(01:19:58):
Facebook and she has her Donateto Listen Linda Live donate,
because she does this out of herown pocket.
So you know, this is not youknow.
You know how some people thinkyou got a business, so you got
trillions of dollars in abusiness account on this.
This money here that she usesdon't go into her refrigerator,
so you know.
So please help her out, youknow, send her a couple of
dollars.
She'll appreciate it.

(01:20:18):
And look up, look her up ifyou're wanting some help with
digital stuff or you need somewhat do you call those digital
pictures that she make that arebeautiful, and so, yeah, give
her a call, because God has puther in a phenomenal place to
help you and me.
She already helps me, so sheneeds to help you now.

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All right, I love y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Girl, you just brought a tit on my act because
people don't really do that.
So thank you so much.
You see, I wasn't even going todo that, so I just run it
across the screen, but I do and,yes, I am here for any services
that you all need.
I do these fabulous backgroundsand you know I do a lot of
different things, so just um,inbox me if you need anything.

(01:21:08):
Um, I'm always available forwhoever, and she is absolutely
right.
I don't have no businessaccount with trillions of
dollars and I do a lot of thestuff that I do is pro bono or
it's, you know, just a?
A.
I try to sew as much as Ipossibly can, so I do.
I appreciate that.
That brought a little to thepoint, so it don't take much,

(01:21:34):
but I do.
I appreciate it very, very much.
All right, and I think who do?
I got next.
Let me check and see who'scoming up next on the listen
live show.
So next we have coming up, wehave Vanessa Miller Pierce and

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we will be speaking, yes, andthat is going to be on the 30th.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
African Queen, yes, african.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Queen yes.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
African Queen and the filling station.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Oh yes, we'll be talking about the filling
station and African Queen, andshe's one of my, another one of
my favorite authors, so I cannotwait to have her come on on
July 30th at noon.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
So oh yes, on July 30th at noon.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
So be square.
And also, sunday is the lastday for Dr Audrey and she will
be back, you guys, okay.
Because, you have to listen tothe book club when she's author
of the month and on Sunday wewill have some of the book club
members to tune in and askquestions and she'll be able to
interact with them.
So if you already have yourcopy of Jane's Journey or you

(01:22:51):
have your copy of Dead GirlWalking, come on through, ask
questions, because she will beanswering everything you want to
know, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
I love all my questions.
Yeah, if not, they can get iton Kindle.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Yeah, I was just going to say that Anne just
released re-released Dead GirlWalking and Jane's Journey, both
as a package deal on Kindle for$9.99.
Am I correct $9.99, $9.98?

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
Yes, but if they get the Kindle I think it's right
now it's $1.98 for both of them,because they're $0.99 a piece.
Okay, yes, for the $2.
I have to go check, but You'llbe able to get them on?

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
I think yeah.
So grab them today on Amazon soyou can be prepared for Sunday.
If not, you can always get yoursigned copy of all of her books
we discussed today right hereat this address below.
So that's hcts//wwwtransitionlifecoach4andyoucom
.
Wwwtransitionlifecoach4andyoucom.

(01:23:59):
Okay, email at audreynsbooks atyahoocom.
If you want to book her, haveher come out and speak.
You guys can do that as well.
Book clubs, yes.
So I love you all, christ, lovethe church and we out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Peace y'all have a good day.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
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