July 6, 2025 • 29 mins
Shaping Tomorrow’s Church Today: A Conversation with Kate Riley
In this episode of 'Good News!', Kate Riley, Canon for Youth and Young Adults for the Episcopal Diocese of Maryland, shares her journey and passion for youth ministry. Kate discusses how she got involved in youth ministry, her experiences growing up in church, and the supportive role of her diocesan community. She highlights the importance of engaging youth authentically, the unique challenges faced, and how she balances her busy ministry with family life. Kate also provides insights into the future of the church, emphasizing the need for inclusivity and active participation of young people. The podcast underscores her commitment to creating meaningful connections and supporting youth across the diocese through various programs and activities.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:17 Kate's Journey into Youth Ministry
03:56 Role and Responsibilities in the Diocese
06:55 Balancing Ministry and Personal Life
08:56 Supporting Churches and Youth Groups
12:45 Engaging Youth in the Church
22:31 Upcoming Events and Opportunities
26:45 Final Thoughts and Advice
Episcopal Diocese of Maryland Youth website: https://episcopalmarylandyouth.weebly.com/
Episcopal Diocese of Maryland website: https://episcopalmaryland.org/youth-ministry/
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Lynn Shematek (00:00):
Hello friends.
(00:01):
Welcome to Good News in this episode,join me Lynn Shematek and Deacons,
Jon Shematek and Lauren Welsh aswe sit down with Kate Riley Canon
for youth in young adult ministry,discover Kate's inspiring journey, her
passion for empowering young people.
And how authentic community and creativityare shaping the future of the church.
(00:25):
Whether you're a parent, volunteer, orjust curious about the next generation in
the church, you'll find hope and practicalwisdom in this lively conversation.
Let's dive in.
Jon Shematek (00:37):
Kate Riley, welcome to our podcast.
Good News!.
We are thrilled to haveyou here with us today.
Kate Riley (00:45):
Oh, I'm so excited to be here.
I have seen all the episodes, soI'm glad it's finally my turn.
Jon Shematek (00:50):
We have been excited to get you, here to speak with us.
you are the Canon for Youthand Young Adults for the
Episcopal Diocese of Maryland.
Can you tell us a little bitabout how you got involved in,
youth and young adult ministries?
what has inspired you to not onlyget started, but stick with it?
That can't be an easy thing.
Kate Riley (01:11):
I was meeting with some of my colleagues across the church
I'm one of the longest standingdiocesan youth ministers of the
current generation I contribute that100% to the wonderful support that
youth ministry gets in this diocese.
Not only financially from our churches,but with adult volunteers and mentors
(01:32):
Everyone likes to think that youthministry is all fun and games,
which a lot of it is literal games.
but there's also a lot that goes into it,like pastoral care and resource management
everyone needs a nap sometimes even Jesus.
I can't remember which gospelstory it is, but I know it's there.
I started my time, as a youthminister at the ripe age of 18.
(01:54):
I, was born in Texas and, movedto Appalachia in Allegheny County
in the year of our Lord, 2011.
No, I was 11.
When I was 11.
And spent a great part of myadolescence and young adulthood at
a church called Emmanuel Episcopal.
if you're ever driving on I 68 Westinto the mountains, you cannot miss it.
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She is on top of the hill,proudly standing over Cumberland.
there I met one of my best friendswho happened to also be my priest's
daughter, where we survived Catholiceducation together for many years.
I remember getting detention a lot becausemy religion teacher would say something
and I'd be like, well, I'm an Episcopal.
So I can be a priest if Iwant to and you can't stop me.
(02:40):
my priest was great growing up.
There were about four ofus in our youth group.
my brother.
His daughter and one or two other kids hewas always willing to drive us to diocesan
events, to New York City for NightWatch to a water park for the day he was
really invested in us from a young age.
I served on vestry.
I was an acolyte, I was a reader.
(03:00):
I always said that my churchresume was a lot longer than
my high school academic one.
right after I graduated fromFrostburg State University, I reached
out to Father Wes Webenhorst, mypredecessor in this office, and a
great mentor to me for many years.
I had thought about a master's ineducation, and teaching middle school
history 'cause I love middle schoolers.
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he suggested I try out theEpiscopal Service Corps so I
applied to four or five differentService Corps around the country.
Luckily for me, Reverend Jan Hamill saidyes to my application to come work in this
office with my predecessor and mentor.
both Father Chapman and FatherWebenhorst were great influences on my,
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apprenticeship to take this role over.
in 2013, I served as Associate forYouth and Young Adult Ministry, and
then the bishop and Father Wes agreedthat I was too good a fit to let go.
I became the administrator forYouth and Young Adult Ministry.
when Wes moved on to, interimministry, I took over as missioner
for youth and young adults.
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about two years ago, Bishop Suttonsaw fit to make me Canon for
Youth and Young Adult Ministry.
I have been serving on diocesan staffin one role or another since 2013.
Jon Shematek (04:15):
Wow.
That is longevity.
that's great.
That's amazing.
Kate Riley (04:20):
I was very excited when Bishop Carrie, graciously
invited me to continue my ministry.
Jon Shematek (04:25):
Bishop Carrie knows a good thing when she sees it.
Kate Riley (04:28):
very lucky to have Bishop Carrie.
She is, Godsend in so many ways.
Jon Shematek (04:32):
Kate, it seems to me like in the course of your ministry, you do a
lot of traveling, all over the diocese.
Can you talk about that and whathappens when you go to different
churches, what are you finding?
Kate Riley (04:44):
I am on my third Subaru Forester since starting this ministry.
love Subarus big fan.
and I, collectively have putover 300,000 miles on those
three vehicles doing just church.
I really enjoyed my title of Missioner.
I'm honored to be a Canon, butsecretly in my heart of hearts, I
still consider myself Missioner becauseMissioner implies to go out and to do.
(05:07):
And so my favorite thing is to getinto our churches meet our people
and make sure they understandthat I'm a resource for them.
They are my boss.
I will do whatever I can to makesure their youth are safe learning
and growing, and that theircommunities are thriving with all
the glitter glue humanly possible.
(05:27):
I just really enjoy gettingto travel around the diocese.
I have an open visitation calendar thatI publish around this time of year.
I think it'll go livein a couple of weeks.
I offer to come to your parish.
I will preach at theeight o'clock service.
the 10 service, the nine service.
if you're having me come out, I wannamake sure I get to meet everybody.
even if you don't have any kids atthe early meditative, quiet service,
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you might have a great-grandmother.
You might have an aunt,you might have a godparent.
You might have somebody who has ayouth that they want more involved
in a spiritual life or in a communitythat loves and accepts them.
And that is a connectionI would love to make.
since I am a lay person andcannot celebrate at the table, I
still need a priest to be there.
I'm not gonna make you write ahomily for the eight o'clock service
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and then me preach at the 10.
That's just silly.
So we come out and I can eitherbring a projector and do a
formal presentation to everyone.
I can lead youth groups.
a children's time together,a children's sermon.
My jurisdiction is really those35 and under, youth implies
middle school and high school.
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Young adult implies college andearly thirties, I am a mother of
two small boys, five and under.
so I have brushed up a lot on mychildren's ministry abilities and I'm very
comfortable hanging out with the littlest.
they have the best questions.
They really do, and so much joy.
It's just a lot of fun.
I am also happy to come out,not on a Sunday morning.
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I can do a Thursday night youth group.
I can do a Tuesday night vestry meeting.
I try and fill my calendar as muchas I can because, when you love
your ministry, it's easy to say yes.
I like to travel around.
I think I visited over 15 of our hundredchurches last year, and then an extra 10.
To 20 ministry events or campsor VBS's or service project days
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we have our own calendar that Ipublish and coordinate for the year.
that has a gathering at least oncea month, if not two or three times a
month, depending on the time of year.
Lauren Welch (07:30):
So, Kate, with all the work that you do with the youth, how do you
manage your home life and your children
Kate Riley (07:37):
one of the greatest things about being a diocesan person is
that wherever I go in the state ofMaryland and honestly, my connections
with the wider church anywherein the country, I have a friend.
I have a family I can lean on.
I have someone, I can contact and havea relationship with and be present with.
I am really blessed that unlike a lot ofpeople my age, I actually have a village.
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My village is made up of wonderfulchurch friends and church family
members that we've made over my10 years living in Baltimore.
It's made up of great friends my husbandhas made and then have become our family.
in fact, I asked a couple ofour youth ministers from St.
Bartholomew Church to adopt meas a godchild in my twenties
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because I have no idea who my originalgodparents are, Kathy and Marty Clark.
have become integral in our lifeand are basically like an extra
set of grandparents to my children.
Having kids really did make me slowdown and say no to a few things,
even if I really wanted to say yes.
there have been pilgrimages or servicetrips in the summer that I just can't
squeeze in because it has the week myson's off of school, or the week that
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we've planned our family vacation already.
So I really appreciate that BishopCarrie is also anti grind culture.
She would like for her, wonderfulpeople to take care of themselves
and spend time with their families.
we are very much encouraged to takeall of our vacation time and rest time.
It's really great.
But there are days that I, would love tohave another me somewhere, either at home
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or at the diocesan level so that all thethings I want to get done can get done.
And all the things I need to do, get done.
I would be lying if I didn't saythere was often a very large pile of
laundry waiting for me late at night.
Jon Shematek (09:22):
Kate, you're going out to the churches and having a wonderful day
with them and I'm sure everybody gets veryexcited about it and about being a youth
minister or, being part of a youth group
Do you provide tools orresources to them so.
after you leave, there's somethingthat they have to build with.
Kate Riley (09:40):
Yeah.
So one of the things that I advertiseis one of our many services here at the
Diocesan Center is resource management.
sourcing curriculums, how tobudget, how to start a youth group,
how to restart a youth group.
different options for serviceprojects that are local.
regional or international.
So if there is a single question anyonehas to do with children, youth, and
(10:03):
young adult ministry, if I don't knowthe answer, I know someone who does or a
service that is, affordable and providable
I just had a great conversationwith some folks from St.
George's Hampstead that were like, Hey,we would really like to restart a youth
group, but we don't know where to start.
And so we had, a zoom meeting abouthere's how to start, here's great
resources that are free from VirginiaTheological Seminary, or Here's what
(10:27):
I've seen other churches doing inyour area or in the next region over.
one of the great things aboutgetting to bop around to the
different regions is that, things in.
Western Maryland do not operatelike they do in southern Maryland.
Things in Baltimore do not operate likethey do in Harford County, despite only
being maybe 30 to 40 minutes apart.
(10:47):
it's very different cultures in our state.
despite being a small geographicplace, we are very diverse.
It somehow takes four or five hoursto get from one corner to the other.
I've done it before in the same day.
I try and make sure that I'm alwaysputting new tools in my toolkit so
that when I get asked hard questionsI have some idea of an answer.
(11:08):
And if I don't I know who I can call
Jon Shematek (11:10):
That's great.
Lauren Welch (11:11):
Kate with all, the, resources that you have, the questions
that people are asking you and,whatever comes up with the youth and
adults that you are working with,what has surprised you the most?
Kate Riley (11:26):
What has surprised me the most?
that despite.
Us literally having a book that tellsus what worship should look like, every
church does it just a little different.
I was visiting Holy Cross the Rocksin Hartford County and talking with
one of our great colleagues MaryDavidson, and said something about,
(11:47):
okay, so when we process up to thealtar, do you want me to turn left?
Do you want me to turn right?
And she said she was supplyingsomewhere and someone said, oh,
we just do it the normal way.
It's like, well, church has its ownnormal way, but us as a diocese,
all 110 beautiful churches herehave their own ways of doing things.
(12:07):
So it's something thatI tell all of our youth.
When they're like, oh, youknow, service is kind of slow.
I say, well, think about the fact thatacross the Episcopal Church, everyone
is saying the prayers in their ownway, but kind of the same together.
Everyone's celebrating at thetable slightly differently.
(12:27):
Some people might have, achildren's service at this time.
Some might be using a loaf ofbread instead of wafer crackers.
Some might be using, contemporarymusic instead of the hymnal.
think about all the beautiful variationsthat could be happening at the same time.
And how lucky are we that we getto be together in this space?
There will technically be another.
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Seventh Sunday of Easter, but not withthese people and not in this place.
as a teenager I always said, oh, wellwe say the same prayers every week.
except for the high holidays.
but really there's so much beautifulvariation and uniqueness in our diocese
that I am constantly amazed when Igo to churches and see how they have
their children and youth interactingin the service or what they do after
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the service to engage families.
To continue to grow community inthat special place and in that
special time, it's a real privilege.
Jon Shematek (13:20):
Kate, I'm wondering, you know, let me wonder one
thing first, and one is sortof on a personal level for you.
What has this ministry been asyou've grown into it and exercise
it all these years now, what has itmeant for your own spiritual life
and your own spiritual development?
Kate Riley (13:39):
I would definitely say that my spiritual life is as messy
as youth ministry is in general.
being diocesan is, such a unique thing.
We get to be a part of all thesegreat, wonderful communities,
little bit at a time, but then Idon't have what I had growing up.
I don't have the same church week to week.
I don't have the same pastor week to week.
(14:01):
I have made a lot of reallygreat deep and meaningful
connections with my clergy friends.
I have two spiritual directorsand one therapist, I get to attend
what I would consider my ownparish, like once a quarter maybe.
I've had to find many different waysto sustain my faith, through the ups
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and downs of such a big ministry.
And I love working with our students.
They give me hope.
They give me, great reasons to pray, andsometimes some scary reasons to pray.
it has been a wonderful.
Time to try and find what feeds menow as a young adult and as a parent.
what fed me when I was 18 is different.
(14:45):
there is a great opportunity always toseek out pastoral care when I need it.
I have hundreds of people I could nowcall if I was in crisis, which is great.
Or if I have some joy to share, which isoften the reason I get to call people.
So I now have more spiritualpractices in my toolbox than I
thought I could ever possibly have.
(15:06):
I'm constantly being reminded that as aminister we have to fill our own cup to
make sure that we can pour into others.
I tell our peer ministry highschoolers, that we prefer they attend
the retreat for high schoolers.
So that they then can be greatstaff members and supports for
their middle school counterparts.
(15:26):
When we have our middle school retreatstaff meetings and all these kinds
of things to make sure that theythemselves feel prepared and ready
for big events like that, which ispretty much what I do all the time.
So I try and make sure that I alsohave my cup full whenever possible.
Jon Shematek (15:43):
that's a great model for all of us.
Lay or ordained in terms of justhow do you keep refreshed and
where do you get spiritual guidancefrom let me ask you this too.
The thing I'm wondering about, , whenCOVID came, it derailed so much about what
the church was doing and what the churchwas about and how we could be church,
It helped open a lot of doorswith technology and so on.
(16:04):
Like, we wouldn't be having this kindof conversation, but there's a concern
I've heard from folks when you lookaround many of our congregations that,
most of the people sitting there in thepews kind of look like Lauren and me.
We're well into our, whatshall I call it, Lauren?
Wisdom
Kate Riley (16:23):
era.
Jon Shematek (16:23):
I think people that will often ask, and we ask this of when
I was on the Commission on Ministry.
for people looking forordination, basically what
is the future of the church?
with your work with youngfolks, what are you seeing?
what does the church need to be?
What does the church need to do?
Maybe different from what we'vebeen doing, that will help us
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engage people that are, let'ssay not in their wisdom years.
Kate Riley (16:52):
I heard a great story at a conference I went to a few years ago about
how this priest was asking their adultchild, about their spiritual life and why
they weren't attending church anymore.
they said, what does church offer me?
That I can't get elsewhere.
there's a sense of community.
I have that through my soccerteam or my gaming group.
there's a sense of serviceto your fellow person.
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I get that through work.
We have community service days.
you can, feed your spiritual life.
I get that through yoga orwhatever that person said.
this adult.
Parent is asking their child whythey aren't attending church anymore.
And that is the vibe thekids are giving out today.
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I can get community service througha thousand other organizations.
I can get a sense of communitythrough my school sports teams,
or a club that I'm a part of.
And the question of whether God existsor not has always been on our minds.
kids are more fervent in their use oftechnology and finding out answers on
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their own via Google there's a lot tosay against church in this modern day
and age, and with the church's history,sometimes that makes sense when we
look at The Crusades and the abuseof power there is still lots of hope.
There is still a lot to learn and grow.
Church has the ability to be themost amazing thing in the world, and
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I think we're building up to that.
Young people these days want authenticity.
They want to make sure that they arenot wasting their time doing something
that is not going to fulfill them.
So if they are showing up tochurch at all, they really wanna
make sure they are engaged.
They feel like it's something to getup for in the morning on a Sunday
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when they really wanna sleep, to showup on a Thursday night to pack boxes
for the food pantry or to make prayershawls, whatever the ministry might be.
It's really about listening to wherethey want to go, in what direction
because they are the future.
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We tell them all the time thatthey're not only the future,
but they're also the present.
My biggest thing with inviting youngpeople to church is that we are inviting
them to be a full part of the communityand not just a token or something to
sit on the altar and look at, to makesure that they feel really involved.
So inviting the youngest of us to helpusher, to help take the gifts up to
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fully participate in whatever partof service they are interested in.
we have a hopeful new programcoming up for the 20 25, 20 26
calendar where we will be invitingall orders to participate.
I'm hoping to have deacons, priests,bishops, lay ministers, brothers
and sisters, as well as a varietyof ministries show up so kids can
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ask why do you feel called to this?
Why is this important?
What do you do that's differentthan the other person?
and then end with a curated Eucharistthat explains why we do the things we do.
I think so much of Episcopal identityis wrapped up in who we aren't.
You know, we aren't Catholicand we're not far evangelical.
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We're somewhere in the middle.
But my goal is to help encourage ourpeople to figure out what we are.
why are you called tothe Episcopal church?
Why are you called to serve God's people?
Through these ways, and so the futureof the churches is here and it's now, we
just have to make sure that the doors areopening and inviting and that maybe the
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youth group room doesn't smell like 1985.
we wanna feel freshness.
We wanna feel an actual welcomeand not just, oh, we have a
place for you in the corner.
Jon Shematek (20:45):
I think you really, unveiled a key for me that I've heard someone
else talk about when they're talkingabout, young people, in the church and
how desperate they are to be heard.
They really have somethingto say and something to ask.
And so often if we're closed to that.
they're not gonna want to come,they're not gonna be part of us.
(21:08):
That's a really important key.
I'm glad you mentioned that.
Kate Riley (21:11):
my number one piece of advice for any church wanting, more
youth and families is to make surethere is a space for wiggly bodies.
I'm really grateful when I get totake my little boys to church with me.
But it's hard for them to sit still.
And I would say it's even hard for 15 to16 year olds to sit still for very long.
So having some space that's soft,or that we can stretch out a
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little bit, or engagement that way.
if you want families to come, theyneed to be able to walk in the door
and feel like there's a place for them.
My favorite spot is to rip out acouple pews right in the middle.
Put a baby gate up and some soft toys,and just let the kids be in church.
and to fall in love with the prayersand the smells and the bells, and
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how your community does liturgy.
and then just make sure they'reinvolved in everywhere that we
can, more so than just picking upchairs and tables after coffee hour.
but maybe hosting coffee hour, maybebaking for the Eucharistic bread.
they just wanna be involved.
They don't wanna show up and just sit.
Lauren Welch (22:13):
They want to be part of the community.
They wanna be the community
Kate Riley (22:16):
it reminded me, there was a diagram I learned when I
did one of my early certificationsfor youth and family ministry.
I have a one eared Mickey Mouse.
where this is the majority of thechurch, this big brown circle,
and then children and youth arestuffed into this smaller circle
that's attached, but still separate.
I've carried that image with meknowing that if we want children
and youth to continue to findvalue in church community, we
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have to squish that in all the way
Everyone has a different developmentand we should definitely have more
glitter involved in arts and craftsto really send home the messages.
But we have to make sure that as theyget older into their teen years and
into their young adult years, thatthey feel just as loved and cared
for and fully invested in church.
Jon Shematek (23:02):
that's great.
Kate, you have, a ton of.
Activities and options and youthevents Going on, year round.
Are there any things, upcoming orin the future that you'd like to
point us to you mentioned this one.
Conference involving all sorts of peoplewith the youth, so they could discover
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what the different orders of ministryare about and what the church does, what
other kinds of things would you want topoint people to if they have opportunities
to, participate in, activities that maybe in their own parish, but might be
diocesan level or even inter-religious.
Kate Riley (23:39):
Thank you for the opportunity to plug my favorite things.
We like to say that we are the placewhere God's motley crew comes together.
post COVID diocesan ministry is even moreimportant because I come from a small
church where we did not have criticalmass We did not have critical mass for
things like retreats, service trips.
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pilgrimages, there were only four of us.
It felt silly to go away for awhole week to just be the four
of us in a different place.
diocesan Ministry is a beautiful placewhere the three kids from Western
Maryland the four kids from Baltimoreand the one kid from Hartford County
can all come together and make upa group of 20 to 30 or 30 to 60.
(24:23):
With other adult mentors.
It is such a positive experience foradults to come and chaperone these events
because they learn just as much fromthe kids as the kids learn from them,
and you get to experience a great newcommunity that will only ever happen once.
we encourage everyone of all agesto come and participate in the
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events that the diocese hosts.
we have camp at Claggettcoming up this summer.
We have a great new programs director,Reverend Sarah Yo is serving, and
I will be out there for two weeks.
Being a camp chaplain, hiking andbiking, doing arts and crafts,
finding God near the pool.
having chapel twice a day to sing songsand share prayers and stories of the Bible
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and making sure that everyone feels ourcommunity is built on the rock of God.
that is a great opportunity coming up.
It's six weeks this summer.
With two weeks on for our wonderful seniorstaff who are our college age students
who take their whole summer and dedicateit to bug spray hydration sunscreen and
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opportunities for kids to be themselvesin a safe space and learn about God their
faith, and how other people can play arole in making the world better place.
I feel like I talk it uplike it's Disney World.
but it's even better thanDisney World, to be honest.
Jon Shematek (25:48):
it's less expensive than flying to Florida and
buying a Disney three day pass
Kate Riley (25:52):
I haven't been to Disney in a long time.
I have been to camp though.
Jon Shematek (25:55):
If people are interested in finding out more about the specific
programs, is there a website, link oremail, that we can put in the show notes?
we'll put it on the screen as well.
do you have that right at handthat, we can, let people know how
to find these programs and find you?
Kate Riley (26:14):
Absolutely.
I manage our youth website so thatour communications team doesn't
have to, because things arealways changing in youth ministry.
you can find all of thisinformation and more at
www.youth.episcopalmaryland.org.
Jon Shematek (26:32):
Fantastic.
Kate Riley (26:33):
And we are on almost all the social medias.
Facebook, Instagram.
I haven't delved into TikTok yet, but.
There are other morequalified people to do that.
Jon Shematek (26:44):
Absolutely.
That's perfect.
it's really a one stop shop and peoplecan find out all of these things.
Find if there are, you know, if there'sregistration or the registration's
still open, how much is it gonnacost and, who's it meant for?
Kate Riley (26:57):
that's awesome.
everything about camp is on there as well.
when we have our triennial eventsthrough the denominational church,
I'll post about things there.
There's also resources, books,websites, short videos, curriculum,
conglomerations, on our webpage,and an entire page dedicated to
our young adult ministry as well.
Jon Shematek (27:17):
What a treasure.
That's fantastic.
Thank you.
So Kate, you've talked about alot of good things today, and I
always wanna make sure that Laurenis able to ask the last question.
let me bounce the ball over to Lauren.
Lauren Welch (27:32):
Kate, you are so full of passion and joy working with our children.
We're blessed to have you as ourCanon for Youth and Young Adults.
what words of advice would you like toleave our viewers and listeners today?
Kate Riley (27:48):
I would say, don't be afraid to get messy.
The best ministry happens when we areunequivocally ourselves and ready to dig
deep into what God has presented to us.
I have gotten to see greatministries, involving children
and youth from planting a garden.
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And helping Monarch butterflies returnto making sure that someone has a
cooler house to live in, in the middleof what feels like nowhere Kentucky.
There are a thousand ways that youcan figure out how to incorporate
youth and young adults into youralready blossoming ministries.
And I guarantee you there are someyoung people out there who want to
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know more and who want to do more.
So don't be afraid to talk to them.
Don't be afraid to get messy.
The greatest thing about ministryis that the Holy Spirit is there and
will work her way in no matter what.
Jon Shematek (28:47):
Amen to that.
Kate Riley, thank you somuch for being with us today.
We are so appreciative of yourpresence, your words, your
wisdom, we're just grateful.
thank you once again for being with us.
Kate Riley (29:01):
Thank you both so much for having me.
I'm so excited to brag about thisand I am just really blessed that
I can continue to do a ministrythat is both my joy and my job,
Lauren Welch (29:11):
and Jon, and I want to thank all those who are watching and listening
for the gift of your time with us today.
Until next time, peace and blessings.
Lynn Shematek (29:22):
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Hello friends.
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Welcome to Good News in this episode,join me Lynn Shematek and Deacons,
Jon Shematek and Lauren Welsh aswe sit down with Kate Riley Canon
for youth in young adult ministry,discover Kate's inspiring journey, her
passion for empowering young people.
And how authentic community and creativityare shaping the future of the church.
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Whether you're a parent, volunteer, orjust curious about the next generation in
the church, you'll find hope and practicalwisdom in this lively conversation.
Let's dive in.
Jon Shematek (00:37):
Kate Riley, welcome to our podcast.
Good News!.
We are thrilled to haveyou here with us today.
Kate Riley (00:45):
Oh, I'm so excited to be here.
I have seen all the episodes, soI'm glad it's finally my turn.
Jon Shematek (00:50):
We have been excited to get you, here to speak with us.
you are the Canon for Youthand Young Adults for the
Episcopal Diocese of Maryland.
Can you tell us a little bitabout how you got involved in,
youth and young adult ministries?
what has inspired you to not onlyget started, but stick with it?
That can't be an easy thing.
Kate Riley (01:11):
I was meeting with some of my colleagues across the church
I'm one of the longest standingdiocesan youth ministers of the
current generation I contribute that100% to the wonderful support that
youth ministry gets in this diocese.
Not only financially from our churches,but with adult volunteers and mentors
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Everyone likes to think that youthministry is all fun and games,
which a lot of it is literal games.
but there's also a lot that goes into it,like pastoral care and resource management
everyone needs a nap sometimes even Jesus.
I can't remember which gospelstory it is, but I know it's there.
I started my time, as a youthminister at the ripe age of 18.
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I, was born in Texas and, movedto Appalachia in Allegheny County
in the year of our Lord, 2011.
No, I was 11.
When I was 11.
And spent a great part of myadolescence and young adulthood at
a church called Emmanuel Episcopal.
if you're ever driving on I 68 Westinto the mountains, you cannot miss it.
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She is on top of the hill,proudly standing over Cumberland.
there I met one of my best friendswho happened to also be my priest's
daughter, where we survived Catholiceducation together for many years.
I remember getting detention a lot becausemy religion teacher would say something
and I'd be like, well, I'm an Episcopal.
So I can be a priest if Iwant to and you can't stop me.
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my priest was great growing up.
There were about four ofus in our youth group.
my brother.
His daughter and one or two other kids hewas always willing to drive us to diocesan
events, to New York City for NightWatch to a water park for the day he was
really invested in us from a young age.
I served on vestry.
I was an acolyte, I was a reader.
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I always said that my churchresume was a lot longer than
my high school academic one.
right after I graduated fromFrostburg State University, I reached
out to Father Wes Webenhorst, mypredecessor in this office, and a
great mentor to me for many years.
I had thought about a master's ineducation, and teaching middle school
history 'cause I love middle schoolers.
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he suggested I try out theEpiscopal Service Corps so I
applied to four or five differentService Corps around the country.
Luckily for me, Reverend Jan Hamill saidyes to my application to come work in this
office with my predecessor and mentor.
both Father Chapman and FatherWebenhorst were great influences on my,
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apprenticeship to take this role over.
in 2013, I served as Associate forYouth and Young Adult Ministry, and
then the bishop and Father Wes agreedthat I was too good a fit to let go.
I became the administrator forYouth and Young Adult Ministry.
when Wes moved on to, interimministry, I took over as missioner
for youth and young adults.
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about two years ago, Bishop Suttonsaw fit to make me Canon for
Youth and Young Adult Ministry.
I have been serving on diocesan staffin one role or another since 2013.
Jon Shematek (04:15):
Wow.
That is longevity.
that's great.
That's amazing.
Kate Riley (04:20):
I was very excited when Bishop Carrie, graciously
invited me to continue my ministry.
Jon Shematek (04:25):
Bishop Carrie knows a good thing when she sees it.
Kate Riley (04:28):
very lucky to have Bishop Carrie.
She is, Godsend in so many ways.
Jon Shematek (04:32):
Kate, it seems to me like in the course of your ministry, you do a
lot of traveling, all over the diocese.
Can you talk about that and whathappens when you go to different
churches, what are you finding?
Kate Riley (04:44):
I am on my third Subaru Forester since starting this ministry.
love Subarus big fan.
and I, collectively have putover 300,000 miles on those
three vehicles doing just church.
I really enjoyed my title of Missioner.
I'm honored to be a Canon, butsecretly in my heart of hearts, I
still consider myself Missioner becauseMissioner implies to go out and to do.
(05:07):
And so my favorite thing is to getinto our churches meet our people
and make sure they understandthat I'm a resource for them.
They are my boss.
I will do whatever I can to makesure their youth are safe learning
and growing, and that theircommunities are thriving with all
the glitter glue humanly possible.
(05:27):
I just really enjoy gettingto travel around the diocese.
I have an open visitation calendar thatI publish around this time of year.
I think it'll go livein a couple of weeks.
I offer to come to your parish.
I will preach at theeight o'clock service.
the 10 service, the nine service.
if you're having me come out, I wannamake sure I get to meet everybody.
even if you don't have any kids atthe early meditative, quiet service,
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you might have a great-grandmother.
You might have an aunt,you might have a godparent.
You might have somebody who has ayouth that they want more involved
in a spiritual life or in a communitythat loves and accepts them.
And that is a connectionI would love to make.
since I am a lay person andcannot celebrate at the table, I
still need a priest to be there.
I'm not gonna make you write ahomily for the eight o'clock service
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and then me preach at the 10.
That's just silly.
So we come out and I can eitherbring a projector and do a
formal presentation to everyone.
I can lead youth groups.
a children's time together,a children's sermon.
My jurisdiction is really those35 and under, youth implies
middle school and high school.
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Young adult implies college andearly thirties, I am a mother of
two small boys, five and under.
so I have brushed up a lot on mychildren's ministry abilities and I'm very
comfortable hanging out with the littlest.
they have the best questions.
They really do, and so much joy.
It's just a lot of fun.
I am also happy to come out,not on a Sunday morning.
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I can do a Thursday night youth group.
I can do a Tuesday night vestry meeting.
I try and fill my calendar as muchas I can because, when you love
your ministry, it's easy to say yes.
I like to travel around.
I think I visited over 15 of our hundredchurches last year, and then an extra 10.
To 20 ministry events or campsor VBS's or service project days
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we have our own calendar that Ipublish and coordinate for the year.
that has a gathering at least oncea month, if not two or three times a
month, depending on the time of year.
Lauren Welch (07:30):
So, Kate, with all the work that you do with the youth, how do you
manage your home life and your children
Kate Riley (07:37):
one of the greatest things about being a diocesan person is
that wherever I go in the state ofMaryland and honestly, my connections
with the wider church anywherein the country, I have a friend.
I have a family I can lean on.
I have someone, I can contact and havea relationship with and be present with.
I am really blessed that unlike a lot ofpeople my age, I actually have a village.
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My village is made up of wonderfulchurch friends and church family
members that we've made over my10 years living in Baltimore.
It's made up of great friends my husbandhas made and then have become our family.
in fact, I asked a couple ofour youth ministers from St.
Bartholomew Church to adopt meas a godchild in my twenties
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because I have no idea who my originalgodparents are, Kathy and Marty Clark.
have become integral in our lifeand are basically like an extra
set of grandparents to my children.
Having kids really did make me slowdown and say no to a few things,
even if I really wanted to say yes.
there have been pilgrimages or servicetrips in the summer that I just can't
squeeze in because it has the week myson's off of school, or the week that
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we've planned our family vacation already.
So I really appreciate that BishopCarrie is also anti grind culture.
She would like for her, wonderfulpeople to take care of themselves
and spend time with their families.
we are very much encouraged to takeall of our vacation time and rest time.
It's really great.
But there are days that I, would love tohave another me somewhere, either at home
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or at the diocesan level so that all thethings I want to get done can get done.
And all the things I need to do, get done.
I would be lying if I didn't saythere was often a very large pile of
laundry waiting for me late at night.
Jon Shematek (09:22):
Kate, you're going out to the churches and having a wonderful day
with them and I'm sure everybody gets veryexcited about it and about being a youth
minister or, being part of a youth group
Do you provide tools orresources to them so.
after you leave, there's somethingthat they have to build with.
Kate Riley (09:40):
Yeah.
So one of the things that I advertiseis one of our many services here at the
Diocesan Center is resource management.
sourcing curriculums, how tobudget, how to start a youth group,
how to restart a youth group.
different options for serviceprojects that are local.
regional or international.
So if there is a single question anyonehas to do with children, youth, and
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young adult ministry, if I don't knowthe answer, I know someone who does or a
service that is, affordable and providable
I just had a great conversationwith some folks from St.
George's Hampstead that were like, Hey,we would really like to restart a youth
group, but we don't know where to start.
And so we had, a zoom meeting abouthere's how to start, here's great
resources that are free from VirginiaTheological Seminary, or Here's what
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I've seen other churches doing inyour area or in the next region over.
one of the great things aboutgetting to bop around to the
different regions is that, things in.
Western Maryland do not operatelike they do in southern Maryland.
Things in Baltimore do not operate likethey do in Harford County, despite only
being maybe 30 to 40 minutes apart.
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it's very different cultures in our state.
despite being a small geographicplace, we are very diverse.
It somehow takes four or five hoursto get from one corner to the other.
I've done it before in the same day.
I try and make sure that I'm alwaysputting new tools in my toolkit so
that when I get asked hard questionsI have some idea of an answer.
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And if I don't I know who I can call
Jon Shematek (11:10):
That's great.
Lauren Welch (11:11):
Kate with all, the, resources that you have, the questions
that people are asking you and,whatever comes up with the youth and
adults that you are working with,what has surprised you the most?
Kate Riley (11:26):
What has surprised me the most?
that despite.
Us literally having a book that tellsus what worship should look like, every
church does it just a little different.
I was visiting Holy Cross the Rocksin Hartford County and talking with
one of our great colleagues MaryDavidson, and said something about,
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okay, so when we process up to thealtar, do you want me to turn left?
Do you want me to turn right?
And she said she was supplyingsomewhere and someone said, oh,
we just do it the normal way.
It's like, well, church has its ownnormal way, but us as a diocese,
all 110 beautiful churches herehave their own ways of doing things.
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So it's something thatI tell all of our youth.
When they're like, oh, youknow, service is kind of slow.
I say, well, think about the fact thatacross the Episcopal Church, everyone
is saying the prayers in their ownway, but kind of the same together.
Everyone's celebrating at thetable slightly differently.
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Some people might have, achildren's service at this time.
Some might be using a loaf ofbread instead of wafer crackers.
Some might be using, contemporarymusic instead of the hymnal.
think about all the beautiful variationsthat could be happening at the same time.
And how lucky are we that we getto be together in this space?
There will technically be another.
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Seventh Sunday of Easter, but not withthese people and not in this place.
as a teenager I always said, oh, wellwe say the same prayers every week.
except for the high holidays.
but really there's so much beautifulvariation and uniqueness in our diocese
that I am constantly amazed when Igo to churches and see how they have
their children and youth interactingin the service or what they do after
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the service to engage families.
To continue to grow community inthat special place and in that
special time, it's a real privilege.
Jon Shematek (13:20):
Kate, I'm wondering, you know, let me wonder one
thing first, and one is sortof on a personal level for you.
What has this ministry been asyou've grown into it and exercise
it all these years now, what has itmeant for your own spiritual life
and your own spiritual development?
Kate Riley (13:39):
I would definitely say that my spiritual life is as messy
as youth ministry is in general.
being diocesan is, such a unique thing.
We get to be a part of all thesegreat, wonderful communities,
little bit at a time, but then Idon't have what I had growing up.
I don't have the same church week to week.
I don't have the same pastor week to week.
(14:01):
I have made a lot of reallygreat deep and meaningful
connections with my clergy friends.
I have two spiritual directorsand one therapist, I get to attend
what I would consider my ownparish, like once a quarter maybe.
I've had to find many different waysto sustain my faith, through the ups
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and downs of such a big ministry.
And I love working with our students.
They give me hope.
They give me, great reasons to pray, andsometimes some scary reasons to pray.
it has been a wonderful.
Time to try and find what feeds menow as a young adult and as a parent.
what fed me when I was 18 is different.
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there is a great opportunity always toseek out pastoral care when I need it.
I have hundreds of people I could nowcall if I was in crisis, which is great.
Or if I have some joy to share, which isoften the reason I get to call people.
So I now have more spiritualpractices in my toolbox than I
thought I could ever possibly have.
(15:06):
I'm constantly being reminded that as aminister we have to fill our own cup to
make sure that we can pour into others.
I tell our peer ministry highschoolers, that we prefer they attend
the retreat for high schoolers.
So that they then can be greatstaff members and supports for
their middle school counterparts.
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When we have our middle school retreatstaff meetings and all these kinds
of things to make sure that theythemselves feel prepared and ready
for big events like that, which ispretty much what I do all the time.
So I try and make sure that I alsohave my cup full whenever possible.
Jon Shematek (15:43):
that's a great model for all of us.
Lay or ordained in terms of justhow do you keep refreshed and
where do you get spiritual guidancefrom let me ask you this too.
The thing I'm wondering about, , whenCOVID came, it derailed so much about what
the church was doing and what the churchwas about and how we could be church,
It helped open a lot of doorswith technology and so on.
(16:04):
Like, we wouldn't be having this kindof conversation, but there's a concern
I've heard from folks when you lookaround many of our congregations that,
most of the people sitting there in thepews kind of look like Lauren and me.
We're well into our, whatshall I call it, Lauren?
Wisdom
Kate Riley (16:23):
era.
Jon Shematek (16:23):
I think people that will often ask, and we ask this of when
I was on the Commission on Ministry.
for people looking forordination, basically what
is the future of the church?
with your work with youngfolks, what are you seeing?
what does the church need to be?
What does the church need to do?
Maybe different from what we'vebeen doing, that will help us
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engage people that are, let'ssay not in their wisdom years.
Kate Riley (16:52):
I heard a great story at a conference I went to a few years ago about
how this priest was asking their adultchild, about their spiritual life and why
they weren't attending church anymore.
they said, what does church offer me?
That I can't get elsewhere.
there's a sense of community.
I have that through my soccerteam or my gaming group.
there's a sense of serviceto your fellow person.
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I get that through work.
We have community service days.
you can, feed your spiritual life.
I get that through yoga orwhatever that person said.
this adult.
Parent is asking their child whythey aren't attending church anymore.
And that is the vibe thekids are giving out today.
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I can get community service througha thousand other organizations.
I can get a sense of communitythrough my school sports teams,
or a club that I'm a part of.
And the question of whether God existsor not has always been on our minds.
kids are more fervent in their use oftechnology and finding out answers on
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their own via Google there's a lot tosay against church in this modern day
and age, and with the church's history,sometimes that makes sense when we
look at The Crusades and the abuseof power there is still lots of hope.
There is still a lot to learn and grow.
Church has the ability to be themost amazing thing in the world, and
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I think we're building up to that.
Young people these days want authenticity.
They want to make sure that they arenot wasting their time doing something
that is not going to fulfill them.
So if they are showing up tochurch at all, they really wanna
make sure they are engaged.
They feel like it's something to getup for in the morning on a Sunday
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when they really wanna sleep, to showup on a Thursday night to pack boxes
for the food pantry or to make prayershawls, whatever the ministry might be.
It's really about listening to wherethey want to go, in what direction
because they are the future.
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We tell them all the time thatthey're not only the future,
but they're also the present.
My biggest thing with inviting youngpeople to church is that we are inviting
them to be a full part of the communityand not just a token or something to
sit on the altar and look at, to makesure that they feel really involved.
So inviting the youngest of us to helpusher, to help take the gifts up to
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fully participate in whatever partof service they are interested in.
we have a hopeful new programcoming up for the 20 25, 20 26
calendar where we will be invitingall orders to participate.
I'm hoping to have deacons, priests,bishops, lay ministers, brothers
and sisters, as well as a varietyof ministries show up so kids can
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ask why do you feel called to this?
Why is this important?
What do you do that's differentthan the other person?
and then end with a curated Eucharistthat explains why we do the things we do.
I think so much of Episcopal identityis wrapped up in who we aren't.
You know, we aren't Catholicand we're not far evangelical.
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We're somewhere in the middle.
But my goal is to help encourage ourpeople to figure out what we are.
why are you called tothe Episcopal church?
Why are you called to serve God's people?
Through these ways, and so the futureof the churches is here and it's now, we
just have to make sure that the doors areopening and inviting and that maybe the
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youth group room doesn't smell like 1985.
we wanna feel freshness.
We wanna feel an actual welcomeand not just, oh, we have a
place for you in the corner.
Jon Shematek (20:45):
I think you really, unveiled a key for me that I've heard someone
else talk about when they're talkingabout, young people, in the church and
how desperate they are to be heard.
They really have somethingto say and something to ask.
And so often if we're closed to that.
they're not gonna want to come,they're not gonna be part of us.
(21:08):
That's a really important key.
I'm glad you mentioned that.
Kate Riley (21:11):
my number one piece of advice for any church wanting, more
youth and families is to make surethere is a space for wiggly bodies.
I'm really grateful when I get totake my little boys to church with me.
But it's hard for them to sit still.
And I would say it's even hard for 15 to16 year olds to sit still for very long.
So having some space that's soft,or that we can stretch out a
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little bit, or engagement that way.
if you want families to come, theyneed to be able to walk in the door
and feel like there's a place for them.
My favorite spot is to rip out acouple pews right in the middle.
Put a baby gate up and some soft toys,and just let the kids be in church.
and to fall in love with the prayersand the smells and the bells, and
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how your community does liturgy.
and then just make sure they'reinvolved in everywhere that we
can, more so than just picking upchairs and tables after coffee hour.
but maybe hosting coffee hour, maybebaking for the Eucharistic bread.
they just wanna be involved.
They don't wanna show up and just sit.
Lauren Welch (22:13):
They want to be part of the community.
They wanna be the community
Kate Riley (22:16):
it reminded me, there was a diagram I learned when I
did one of my early certificationsfor youth and family ministry.
I have a one eared Mickey Mouse.
where this is the majority of thechurch, this big brown circle,
and then children and youth arestuffed into this smaller circle
that's attached, but still separate.
I've carried that image with meknowing that if we want children
and youth to continue to findvalue in church community, we
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have to squish that in all the way
Everyone has a different developmentand we should definitely have more
glitter involved in arts and craftsto really send home the messages.
But we have to make sure that as theyget older into their teen years and
into their young adult years, thatthey feel just as loved and cared
for and fully invested in church.
Jon Shematek (23:02):
that's great.
Kate, you have, a ton of.
Activities and options and youthevents Going on, year round.
Are there any things, upcoming orin the future that you'd like to
point us to you mentioned this one.
Conference involving all sorts of peoplewith the youth, so they could discover
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what the different orders of ministryare about and what the church does, what
other kinds of things would you want topoint people to if they have opportunities
to, participate in, activities that maybe in their own parish, but might be
diocesan level or even inter-religious.
Kate Riley (23:39):
Thank you for the opportunity to plug my favorite things.
We like to say that we are the placewhere God's motley crew comes together.
post COVID diocesan ministry is even moreimportant because I come from a small
church where we did not have criticalmass We did not have critical mass for
things like retreats, service trips.
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pilgrimages, there were only four of us.
It felt silly to go away for awhole week to just be the four
of us in a different place.
diocesan Ministry is a beautiful placewhere the three kids from Western
Maryland the four kids from Baltimoreand the one kid from Hartford County
can all come together and make upa group of 20 to 30 or 30 to 60.
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With other adult mentors.
It is such a positive experience foradults to come and chaperone these events
because they learn just as much fromthe kids as the kids learn from them,
and you get to experience a great newcommunity that will only ever happen once.
we encourage everyone of all agesto come and participate in the
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events that the diocese hosts.
we have camp at Claggettcoming up this summer.
We have a great new programs director,Reverend Sarah Yo is serving, and
I will be out there for two weeks.
Being a camp chaplain, hiking andbiking, doing arts and crafts,
finding God near the pool.
having chapel twice a day to sing songsand share prayers and stories of the Bible
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and making sure that everyone feels ourcommunity is built on the rock of God.
that is a great opportunity coming up.
It's six weeks this summer.
With two weeks on for our wonderful seniorstaff who are our college age students
who take their whole summer and dedicateit to bug spray hydration sunscreen and
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opportunities for kids to be themselvesin a safe space and learn about God their
faith, and how other people can play arole in making the world better place.
I feel like I talk it uplike it's Disney World.
but it's even better thanDisney World, to be honest.
Jon Shematek (25:48):
it's less expensive than flying to Florida and
buying a Disney three day pass
Kate Riley (25:52):
I haven't been to Disney in a long time.
I have been to camp though.
Jon Shematek (25:55):
If people are interested in finding out more about the specific
programs, is there a website, link oremail, that we can put in the show notes?
we'll put it on the screen as well.
do you have that right at handthat, we can, let people know how
to find these programs and find you?
Kate Riley (26:14):
Absolutely.
I manage our youth website so thatour communications team doesn't
have to, because things arealways changing in youth ministry.
you can find all of thisinformation and more at
www.youth.episcopalmaryland.org.
Jon Shematek (26:32):
Fantastic.
Kate Riley (26:33):
And we are on almost all the social medias.
Facebook, Instagram.
I haven't delved into TikTok yet, but.
There are other morequalified people to do that.
Jon Shematek (26:44):
Absolutely.
That's perfect.
it's really a one stop shop and peoplecan find out all of these things.
Find if there are, you know, if there'sregistration or the registration's
still open, how much is it gonnacost and, who's it meant for?
Kate Riley (26:57):
that's awesome.
everything about camp is on there as well.
when we have our triennial eventsthrough the denominational church,
I'll post about things there.
There's also resources, books,websites, short videos, curriculum,
conglomerations, on our webpage,and an entire page dedicated to
our young adult ministry as well.
Jon Shematek (27:17):
What a treasure.
That's fantastic.
Thank you.
So Kate, you've talked about alot of good things today, and I
always wanna make sure that Laurenis able to ask the last question.
let me bounce the ball over to Lauren.
Lauren Welch (27:32):
Kate, you are so full of passion and joy working with our children.
We're blessed to have you as ourCanon for Youth and Young Adults.
what words of advice would you like toleave our viewers and listeners today?
Kate Riley (27:48):
I would say, don't be afraid to get messy.
The best ministry happens when we areunequivocally ourselves and ready to dig
deep into what God has presented to us.
I have gotten to see greatministries, involving children
and youth from planting a garden.
(28:10):
And helping Monarch butterflies returnto making sure that someone has a
cooler house to live in, in the middleof what feels like nowhere Kentucky.
There are a thousand ways that youcan figure out how to incorporate
youth and young adults into youralready blossoming ministries.
And I guarantee you there are someyoung people out there who want to
(28:33):
know more and who want to do more.
So don't be afraid to talk to them.
Don't be afraid to get messy.
The greatest thing about ministryis that the Holy Spirit is there and
will work her way in no matter what.
Jon Shematek (28:47):
Amen to that.
Kate Riley, thank you somuch for being with us today.
We are so appreciative of yourpresence, your words, your
wisdom, we're just grateful.
thank you once again for being with us.
Kate Riley (29:01):
Thank you both so much for having me.
I'm so excited to brag about thisand I am just really blessed that
I can continue to do a ministrythat is both my joy and my job,
Lauren Welch (29:11):
and Jon, and I want to thank all those who are watching and listening
for the gift of your time with us today.
Until next time, peace and blessings.
Lynn Shematek (29:22):
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