Comic Reveals The Joke That Made Him Rich Overnight

Isaac Butterfield is one of Australia’s most controversial comics, loved by millions, hated by plenty, and unapologetically himself.

From getting dragged before a Human Rights tribunal over an Aboriginal joke to being backed by Dana White and selling out theatres across the country, Isaac has built a comedy empire his own way.

👇 In this episode:

• The joke that nearly ended his career and why he refused to apologise
• How he turned outrage into millions of loyal fans
• The brutal reality of making money as a comic, from $0 to selling out theatres
• Wild stories from the road from OnlyFans crowd interactions to getting recognised on the Spanish Steps
• The truth about Australia’s comedy scene and why mainstream comics hate his success
• His rise from installing shower screens to performing in New York

No filter, no fear... this is Isaac at his most unhinged.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
I will do pretty much anything when it comes to stand up my
worst show or was my best show as well after a cancellation
that happened to me with an Aboriginal joke.
And the problem with that, and I've seen this with a lot of
high profile people too, who actually saw the show, saw the
jokes. And then when it was like a big
public outrage and reaction, then they went in and said, no,

(00:23):
we can't, We can't be seen to publicly support you.
And I was like, that's mad. That's crazy.
How difficult was it to make money in the beginning?
Well, you don't probably. For the first five years doing
stand up, I made no money. For the first two years of
YouTube, I made no money. It was like a really shitty
apprenticeship. I was doing work for the USA and

(00:43):
then when that aboriginal joke happened, they got rid of me and
UFC president Dana White and I, I messaged him because we had
met a couple of times. He says no, fuck that, no one
gets cancelled by the UFC. Yeah, that's what I was gonna
say. That doesn't sound right.
Yeah, he said. No, that doesn't happen.
And then the bloke who got rid of me actually ended up getting
fired. Welcome, Isaac.
How are you, brother? Hey mate, thanks for having me.
I'm sorry, Pete is just too busyfor me.

(01:05):
That's, that's interesting. I shook his hand and he just
disappeared. So he was like, he was like,
good to be here. How are you mate?
Welcome to Melbourne. Good brother, good.
I love Melbourne. It's good to be back here.
It's been a lot of time here over the last couple of years
and I'm here at the moment. It's Comedy Festival time, so
there's a lot of comedians in town and then we just sort of

(01:25):
all getting around doing our shows and I'm doing a lot of new
material at the moment, so it's a bit daunting.
I was in Uber on the way over here just listening to last
night's set, just thinking that's shit, that's terrible,
that sucks, that's OK, that's not bad, maybe we can work on
that. So that's that's all part and
parcel. So it's a bit of a terrifying
time for me right now when it comes to new new jokes and new

(01:47):
bits that we're working on. And everyone's in town as well,
right? Yeah, but I don't know anyone.
I think I know I have a couple of mates in comedy, but I keep
to myself. I don't.
I don't need any friends. I don't have enough time.
True. Well, these are all moving
around and grinding the the comedy scene.
You're all out there. You gotta move to you go to the
clubs. I suppose there's no clubs.
Don't come to you. I think a lot of the the

(02:08):
comedians that perform, particularly at the Melbourne
Comedy Festival, they only really sell tickets in
Melbourne, like and that's, that's a bit of a dig, but it is
what it is. Yeah, like, for example, I I
sell quite well in regional towns as well, which is really,
really good. And that's, that's, that's the
whole thing with the Internet, right.
But the same people who aren't selling overly well in regional

(02:29):
towns or other parts of Australia are the ones that they
back in the day, like we're talking, you know, 678 years ago
really Pooh poohed the idea of social media and you're a hack
if you were doing stuff on social media.
But that's how you sell tickets,man.
So that's that's that's the difference between say myself
and people who really wait the entire year and look forward to

(02:52):
the Comedy Festival. And that's when they sell all
their tickets. So yeah, that's just, that's
just different choices that people make, I guess.
So you reckon, and I'd have to agree from the outside looking
in, that's been your secret weapon, right, Isaac?
You've sort of blazed your own path.
You got on the social media and adopted and and yeah, you, you,
you sort of blazed your own path.

(03:12):
Would you? Would you?
When I, when I started, I was doing, so I'm from Newcastle, I
was doing, you know, 5 minute sets in Sydney.
You know, I start off just doingopen mics and then I would be,
I'd get booked for a spot at oneof the Sydney bars or, or
whatever. And I drive 2 hours, 2 1/2 hours
if there's traffic, 3 hours if there's traffic, get there, do

(03:35):
my 5 minute spot. You don't get paid.
You get back in the car and go home.
And this is all after work in the afternoons, you know.
So that was when I was like 20. What were you doing to context
for work? At that stage I was in, I was
working at a freight company doing their social media.

(03:55):
OK, so you were already? I had AI had a sweet deal,
right? So I was learning how to edit,
how to make videos, how to film everything, getting paid for it
at the same time, learning how to, you know, put that into my
own sort of world and how to eventually make a career out of.
It Yeah, well, I think I think it's like lightning in a bottle

(04:16):
somewhat where it's like the comedy and those skills that you
learnt yeah and the timing, you know what I mean?
And comedy just went perfect together.
The same as I would say another category would be dance, right,
where the Tik Tokers and that were yeah, yeah, where video and
you know if you could learn to edit and whatever and then you

(04:36):
could dance and you put those together bang yeah, same as
comedy people. It was a good way to sort of cut
through. Yeah.
Yeah. So that was so I guess at what
point? So if you're you're working at
the freight place, you're doing the editing in the social media.
Was comedy just a hobby or were you thinking from early on that
you wanted to be a comedian? Well, I was doing, I was doing
stand up before that, I was installing shower screens before

(04:59):
that. And that's, that's just what I
did. And it was a job out of school
that I sort of had done a littlebit whilst I was at school.
And then I worked as a storm andfor a bit at a safety company.
And then I went back to doing this, this, this install stuff.
And I was able to do that, you know, and go and do the shows
and all that type of stuff and write material and do that as a

(05:21):
job. And I was, it was, I was
bludgeoned pretty hard. Like I was, I was only working a
couple of days a week. And then so I wasn't like flat,
flat chat, you know what I mean?Come on in, We're talking
shower. Screens.
Oh, he loves the shower screen. Talking showers He.
Installed a few to be fair. I Talking about my favorite part
of my career was installing shower screens back in the day

(05:42):
I. Had one break on me once.
It's scary. Shattered and went all over.
Glass was scary, man. It was tough and glass, so tough
and glass, but still cut me, cutme up.
Yeah, right. Yeah, Well, they're heavy too.
Surprisingly heavy. Glass panels.
Yeah. They'll really come after you.
Like, you know, the pool panels,We used to put those in too.
And that was that was terrifying, especially on windy,
windy days. They start real flying around

(06:03):
the. Joint so yeah, talk to us mate.
So we're back. You're putting in shower
screens. Are you putting these shower
screens in dreaming of becoming a, you know, a big comic or a
successful comic? Yeah.
Or, or was it and was it stand up that you wanted to do on
stage? Or is it like, as I know some
comics, you know, they do, you know, might be riding or yeah or

(06:24):
whatever. There's a lot of different ways
people can go. They can go into acting or
improv or stand up or whatever, but yeah, I wanted to do stand
up from when I was on stage. Yep.
Yeah, I, I watched Billy Connolly when I was like, I
don't know, six years old, sevenyears old.
My grandparents showed me who hewas and and from that like I I
hosted the primary school talentshow when I was in Year 5 or

(06:46):
whatever at like a cracking yearold or.
Your host and. Yeah, I did.
I, I, I, It was my first time ever actually getting in
trouble. I, I call it was when Guy
Sebastian was on Oh yeah, Idol, Australian Idol.
And I said I, I, someone was pretending to be him and I
introduced him as gay Sebastian.That's all.
I wasn't my best gag, but I was 11 and I got, I got a letter

(07:11):
home for, for saying that. So it's, it's been a bit of, you
know, alluded to the rest of my career, if you will.
I was about to say, yeah, you'vestill gone down the track of a
bit of controversy. Being a bit of a Dick, yeah.
But it, you know, it's, it's that's comedy, right?
I, I, I enjoy the most vicious shit of all time.
That's what I really like when it comes to stand up.

(07:33):
And much like metal heads, people don't understand them
unless you are one of them. But I do find in the comedy
world outside of Australia that most people want to hear the
most out outrageous shit possible every now and then.
Like not all the time. You don't want to hear it every,
every joke. It doesn't have to be
outrageous. But you go to America.

(07:54):
Like when I went there, I, I went there and I saw this is
probably 2021 or 22, whatever itwas.
I saw Joe Rogan and Tony Hinchcliffe and a guy killed.
Tony it. Was some guys from like killed
Tony? Anyway, Hans Kim was the other
dude. And maybe 2022.

(08:15):
Yeah. And yeah, Hans Kim's great.
Yeah, he's and brilliant. But this was in Florida.
Were there for the UFC. I used to do some work for the
UFC and they were just the things that I was saying.
Like I always thought that I waspushed the boundaries and then I
saw that the boundaries were nowhere near where I was.
They killed Tony just boundary every week, right?
Well, this is this. It's the biggest live podcast in

(08:37):
the world. In the world.
Yeah. Selling out Madison Square
Garden twice. Two nights in a row, like
multiple times a. Year if you exactly.
If you're saying to me that people don't want to hear this
or they don't think offensive stuff is funny, well, that is a
lie. You are wrong.
Yeah, yeah. I'm just trying to think of
Tony's comments the the Puerto Rico.
Puerto Rico, Yeah, apparently. That took that was like stopped

(08:59):
the world for a split second there at all.
It did. It did well.
They were just looking for something to sort of harbor on
about at that point. But apparently that has a lot to
do. That particular punchline that
was in that very short sort of one liner.
It's to do with the whole bit that Tony does.
It's. The rubbish they they don't
recycle or something over there and it got taken out of context.
The Tony took it to calling him.He he took it out of context

(09:22):
himself to shorten the joke, which is fine, yeah, but when
you take it out of context, I guess some.
People miss it. Miss it and they just wanted to
hammer him for it. He didn't give a fuck.
No. It's worked with his favour, I
would argue. Hundred, 100%.
He's huge. Yeah, he was big then, He was
huge then, he's bigger now. So yeah, it's that's that stuff
from when I was a kid. Doing that type of stuff

(09:43):
certainly lead me in in good stead the where I am.
At what point did you start getting the penny out though?
Right, because you've cracked a,you just cracked a, a a gay
Sebastian joke, which is brilliant at 11.
Some somebody just you. Didn't you know you didn't have
that in your joke book? At what point did you get a joke
book? Now I think about it, I was
writing parody songs when I was like 1314.

(10:08):
Like I had all these like parodysongs I was writing.
I actually, I don't know if you know a guy called Mick Meredith,
He's a comedian from Sydney, I'mpretty sure originally, but he
was on the the NRL version of The Footy Show back in the day,
so everyone knew him. He's a great comic too, still
is. He's out there in the in the
Sydney comedy scene all the time.

(10:29):
And I messaged him. It's actually quite embarrassing
as a kid as like a 13 or 14 yearold with a joke.
So I was like, I was thinking about this stuff for years and
it wasn't until I was 21 that I got on stage and actually did
material. And that was, that was almost
forced as well. But I, I had the material there

(10:50):
and then I was forced. My old man spoke to a comedian
called Andy Saunders and he brought me up at a footy
function and I did 5 minutes with in front of that crowd of
people I knew as well, which washorrifying but.
So is, is that how is that how it starts?
You just sort of go, hey, can I spend 5 minutes up there and
yeah, crack some jokes and cut my teeth?
Yeah, terrifying. The.

(11:11):
Definitely a terrifying. I was like an like, put yourself
out there in a room and just make the assumption that what
you've written down is gonna make people.
He's gonna land like, like when you think public speaking.
Is people the most? Terrifying thing in the world.
Weird too, people the most terrified of public speaking and
a comedian goes and does the public speaking but then needs

(11:34):
the outcome where a public speaker just speaks to him and
goes that's that, that's my message.
I'm out. But you, you, you need a, you
need to crack it. Yeah.
Well, that that's we were talking before the podcast about
I'm doing a lot of new material at the moment in, in Melbourne
here. And it's some of it works, some
of it does. Really.
Well, do you scrap it though? Because.
It's quick. But what about like, can it

(11:56):
sometimes not be the room? Do you know 100?
Percent. So the the first night in
Melbourne, we only had about 120a 130 people.
There was a small crowd in a bigroom sort of I think it holds
like 400. So it when you have that, when
you have a bit of room, the laughs dissipate really quickly.
People don't feel as calm and myshow for some reason for these

(12:18):
shows was like at 7:00. So people weren't drinking, they
weren't sort of relaxed. Usually when I'm on the road
where it's a dark, people are drinking and it's.
It's seen them, yeah. It's on, you know.
Your Instagram is full. Yeah, well, and you know, like I
have to post those crab work clips.
I don't really love posting those.

(12:39):
Really, I think they're like this.
They're fun. They show how clever you are,
man. Do you know what I mean?
No for real dude, for sure. The crowd stuff's from the hip.
Yeah, you know it's gonna come back.
To true Daddy's so clever to is it's like Matt Rife.
Matt Rife does. Yeah, crowd's amazing.
Stuff he's, you know, recognisesone.
Yeah, but. He's actually got very good
material as well. I saw him at the mothership in
Austin. He he was on stage.

(13:01):
He did probably 20 minutes. He's great.
What was the mothership? Like amazing, ridiculous.
That's like. Set up a.
Card speaker, it's it's perfect.Did you put yourself in the
bucket? No, no, I would put.
Yourself in the bucket. I guess so.
Yeah, you'd be crazy not to. Yeah, you just get up there and
do you like, you know, you know what I mean?
I I, I will, I will do pretty much anything.

(13:23):
You know what I mean? Like when it comes to stand up,
I've done my worst show or was my best show as well.
I did well, No, that's not true at all, but that's a good clip.
My my worst show was on a bus. It was with the NSW Origin team
and the the coach of the time, Brad Fiddler.
He which was the the Blues coachjust recently, this is going

(13:45):
back six years ago, he gave me abus microphone and a a, a bus
full of drunk blokes and I just had to do material on that.
That was one of my First things first, first big bombs that I
had. But a lot of players enjoyed it.
When I started I changed from material just to talk, taking
the piss out of people on the bus.
Is that what you do? So once your material's not
landing, or sometimes one of your clips where that Lady yells

(14:08):
out, she yells out. This is like, not funnier.
I'm waiting for you to laugh. And you turn around and go hang
on. So what's not funny?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then?
That was in Dubbo that. Was That was absolutely
brilliant. That was that she was just blind
drunk and everyone was having a fine dime.
And she's just like, Nah, I don't like this.
And then she started going on about you kids and your

(14:29):
superannuation and all this shit.
I was like, what, What are you saying?
Lady started ranting, full ranting.
And the husband was like, Yep, that's me, Mrs. Mate.
That's wrong. And then and then so you like
you see that and then go into that.
Oh, then suddenly him and the ball breaker.
And you know what I mean? You're just like.
Because it's fun. Because it's new for me.

(14:50):
Yeah. Like, if I'm doing the same
material every night. Yeah.
You know, I know these jokes work and that's what people come
to see, right. But the the crowd interactions
are new. They're exciting.
They're different. You don't know who you.
Make every show different. Yeah, we had an Only Fans girl
on the front row last night. You would have had a ball.
With it, yeah, it was great. It was great.
And I was just, I was into a notinduwa, induwa, but induwa about

(15:13):
what she did. She's a stripper as well.
And I knew who she was. Did.
You pick him, how do you do you pick him or they did they speak
up and. You Oh, I saw her and she looked
like a bit of a so. You were.
Thinking about no, she actually,she actually messaged my wife on
Instagram a few days before. She's actually very a very nice
person. And I said that to her on stage.

(15:34):
I'm just fucking around. But she messaged my wife and was
talking to her and she was so excited about the show.
So she was, she was really, really, really cool.
And I, I do a podcast with my wife too.
So a lot of people know her who come to the shows, and they're
all really. And she's like, I'll be wearing
a red T-shirt in the front. Yeah, yeah, people like that.
Yeah. We had another young lady who
she's been on clips that I've put up before and she's a she's

(15:56):
a lesbian and she's, she loves sitting in the front row and
loves me just Oh, she's. She's on her.
She rocks up on her own. Yep.
Yeah, I've seen those ones. Yeah.
Brilliant. Talk shit to her and loves it
and, and she actually brought myson Addie a, a teddy bear back
from Japan and all this type of stuff.
So people really enjoy the the real.
He's serious fans. Proper following in community.

(16:17):
It is it's a lovely little community and it's it's strange
to some of the people you you made the the most insane was in
the UK. There was actually in it
happened twice when I was in Europe.
Really weird interactions. I was on the Spanish Steps in
Italy, in Rome, and I was just walking up them and some dude

(16:38):
goes, oh, the batsman. And I was like, oh, that's,
that's weird. This is in 2019 too.
This is very early on. I was freaked out.
And then we're at the the Tower of London and we're going to
line up for the Crown Jewels. And Claire, my wife, went off to
the loo and I was just sort of looking at the Queen's Guard
there. And he was just walking back and

(16:58):
forth and he whispered to me andI swear this is absolutely true.
And they're not allowed to talk.That's the big thing right now.
Them talk. They don't fucking talk.
And he walked past and I said what?
And. You try and get him to talk too.
Yeah, people. Try and do it and he goes butt
smart. I love your videos.
Oh mate, I was blown away. It was it was absolutely insane.

(17:21):
Like people don't believe that that that happened, but I swear,
I swear on yeah, me, my life. That is, that is.
Absolutely true. So that was cool.
But yeah, it's a cool little, it's a cool little community,
you know, so. Where's, where's the line with
that stuff? Because I feel like, like you
said, like you go to the States and the, you know, the line gets
a bit bit further along, but youare an Aussie, so you probably.

(17:44):
People understand it's it's comedy, yeah.
Yeah. But like, you know, I probably,
you know, you gotta probably protect your brand somewhat as
well. So I'd imagine you would have a
line somewhere. No, no, no, no lines given.
As long as it's not hateful. Yeah, well, that's probably what
I'm. Coming from the right place.
So even if it's the most horrendous, putrid thing that

(18:05):
you can say, but if you're saying it from a place of, you
know, humorous, try even if you're being blunt or even if it
doesn't seem humorous and it doesn't land, but that's the
intention. The intention is to.
Be pure able. To make people.
Laugh. Yeah, Yeah.
You know, I say horrible things,they have said horrible things,
but they all come from that part, yeah.
What about what about Addie? Can I ask?

(18:27):
Yeah, What about Addie? He, he, he he's gonna grow up
and and and watch some of your stuff.
He's probably gonna piss himself, laugh and most.
Likely. Hopefully, Yeah.
Yeah. But do you ever?
Yeah. Is there ever something that
you've said where you like even that you're gonna even?
I know it was trying to be funny, but I still wish I didn't
say it. Well, no, I I think that he
will. It depends on what age is too.

(18:47):
Like he's gonna get to a point where he's like, you know, an
adult and you'll go, OK, I can understand that now.
But as a kid, you know, he's going to hear things are going
to maybe upset him or upset people around him at different
ages. The swearing, you know, regular
way that people speak in Australia, Like that's going to
upset him when he's a kid or upset people.
He's in school with other parents, Maybe that upsets them

(19:08):
then. And then it's when he gets to
high school, maybe he's not following the right social
trends, that type of stuff. Then that that might upset him
or upset people around him. But I think once you have all
the information and you're an adult, then you can make a a
pretty quick and judgment that what I do is completely normal
and necessary in the comedy world.

(19:28):
But yeah, it it, I do think about it do.
You find you get judged as well,like you just mentioned about,
you know, maybe the other parents at kinder or whatever,
because you do say controversialstuff, which is all, Yeah, which
is, you know, fun like we're saying.
But yeah, not every. Yeah, people are weird and you
know. Man, I've had a lot of you know
what I mean? Do you feel a lot of people,

(19:49):
they've seen my shit and they'renot feeling it.
Or yeah, some like some people. Kind of guy that I'm not.
Some people, like, have become friends with my wife and I and
then, like, remove themselves from being friends with us,
like, broken up with us because of things I've said.
Yeah. And I feel bad for for Claire.

(20:10):
Oh fuck them. But I feel bad for Claire and
and I. I'm a bit more cutthroat with
that type of stuff and she's definitely changed into more
cutthroat. Well, that's more of the judges,
which shows who they are. If they're just judging you, the
problem is to. You know, they know.
They know who I am. Yeah, they're real you.
Yeah, there was this one one group of people we used to live
next to and we used to look after their kids and stuff and

(20:30):
then they just cracked it over one thing.
Do you? Remember the joke?
Or no, it was, it was, it was myopinion on the, the yes, no
thing in Australia. And they were like, Nah, we
can't, you know, support you. And I was like, that's crazy.
Like I've, I've picked your kidsup from preschool, like, you
know exactly who I am. And the problem with that, and

(20:51):
I've seen this with a lot of high profile people too.
After a cancellation that happened to me with an
Aboriginal joke. They like, they'd unfollow me
and all that type of stuff. And people would say, Hey, this
person's unfollowed you, yadda, yadda, yadda.
And I was like, oh, OK, that's abit shit because I know that
guy. I've spent time with that dude.
The worst ones were, and I'm talking about very high profile

(21:12):
people on the Internet that people I assume would know who
listened to this, who actually saw the show, saw the jokes.
And then when it was like a big public outrage and reaction,
then they went in and we said, no, we can't, we can't be seen
to publicly support you. And I was like, that's mad.
That's crazy that that that you would be that weak of a person

(21:36):
that people could message you and demand that you unfollow
someone because you didn't because that person didn't like
a joke. So that's it's all part and
parcel. It it it was annoying at the
time, but it is what it is. It's pretty outrageous.
Yeah, yeah. Is that because I saw so many
content where you got summonsed?Yeah, to appear in front of a a

(21:59):
tribunal for in an infraction onsomeone's human rights.
And was that, could that have ended in jail or something?
Well, I didn't. I no, the answer's no.
But I didn't know because I justgot this letter in the mail that
I was supposed to appear in front of this government body.
I was like you. Hurt someone's feelings?
Yes. Is that essentially what we're
talking? About 100%.

(22:19):
That's why I say on stage the joke was so good.
It didn't just offend this lady,it infringed on her human
rights. It hit, it really hit.
So it's yeah, that was that was insane.
And I had to appear in front of this the Queensland human.
Rights Commission What? What do?

(22:39):
You mean, Well, that's the thing.
So I asked my lawyer who's and he's a lovely guy, but he's a
lawyer in fact, and he does likeproperty law and all that type
of stuff. So he didn't know.
He's like, oh, fuck it. I don't know if I needed a
criminal defense attorney or what, or barrister.
But but anyway, that basically what I said to them was I can't

(23:00):
make the date that you've given me because they just said you
have to appear in front of this.And it's going to be sort of
like this lady's going to come. And what she wanted was she
wanted an apology and training into what I was supposed to say
or what I am allowed to say. And and I was like, I'm not
doing that. And it also just sort of
coincided when my son was going to be born, so we couldn't do
that date anyway. And then it just sort of got

(23:22):
pushed back and pushed back and then they dropped it.
What did you? Can you say what you said?
Yeah, it was a it was just a joke about Aboriginal people.
Yeah, what was? The joke, the joke was I put it
on TikTok. It was my fault and it got and
all these people picked it up and they hated me.

(23:43):
What was it? It was about cultural
appropriation, the idea that oneculture picks up something else
from another culture and, like, claims it is theirs.
And we as white people never came here and looked at tapping
sticks and thought, fuck, we need those.
We never took anything other than the kids.

(24:03):
Yeah, OK. You've just launched a new
social media. There's a, there's a, there's a
good. Columbian IJ I've got to
unfollow Isaac a big. Yeah, a big Clippy.
You laughing at that? Yes, gotcha, gotcha.
You guys do not endorse me at all.
But but also when you hear that and I understand where the

(24:24):
people can't come from when they're upset about that because
they're just scrolling through TikTok and they said this dude
saying these things and they think, Oh my God, this guy's
crazy. This is horrible, but this is
halfway through a show of me saying heinous shit and other
ridiculous things that obviouslyaren't true and I don't believe.
Yeah. And that's, I guess, the problem
with clips. Yeah.
But but but didn't you sort of it's not really the clips or or

(24:45):
didn't it go beyond that though?Like people that knew who you
were, like, you know what I mean?
Knew you were a comedian still come out here and.
Oh yeah. Do you know what I mean?
They they treated as if that is actually what I believe and and
that is. Which is outrageous.
A problem with that is the Australian environment in which
comedy lives here and it is, youknow, you can't get on the
Comedy Rd. shows or you can't beon the International Comedy

(25:07):
Festival Gala unless you play bythe rules and your your agent is
one of two, I think in the in the Melbourne Comedy Festival
Gala. I'm pretty sure.
Could be wrong, who knows. Don't fucking quote me.
Two management companies pick four spots each, and then
another management company picksanother two, or something like
that. Right, that's the 10 spots done

(25:28):
each year. And that's what you have to play
ball to get in with those guys. And they are only going to pick
people who are marketable and, you know, they tick all the
boxes politically, but politically.
That's why is that. But they, they are running their
own empire like you though, right?
They're 'cause they're trying, they're trying to tap into the
empire that already exists. Yeah, yeah.
And you're over here going well.There's much more mainstream.

(25:50):
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
And that's fine. And I think would that be the,
the, the I think that the shift is happening over to, you know,
like. Well, look at Matt.
Rice you'll feel yeah. Matt Rife at Luke is on
Australia tickets. Too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, mate. People can write their own
ticket now. Yeah, Matt, Matt Rife,
Absolutely. There's a lot of them over
there, you know, like even Hans Kim and whatever, a lot of them

(26:10):
selling a lot of tickets. Yeah.
Yeah. So can I ask, or I would imagine
the start of your show is the most important part where you
walk out. How do you how do you approach
that from, you know, I guess when you when you know from an
energy standpoint, and what about like, how do you come up
with that open line or whatever to sort of set the tone for the

(26:33):
thing? And if that doesn't hit, does
that sort of set the tone? Do do you know pretty quickly
that you go, Oh shit, I'm. Weird before shows I I I get
extremely anxious. I'm gonna ask as well.
Do you get nervous? Oh, I'm a fucking mess.
But what's actually helped is mywife and son come with us
everywhere. And I was saying before the

(26:54):
podcast, he doesn't let her put him to bed currently.
Like he, that's just he's, he's just decided.
Doesn't that mum put a little bit that, jeez, that that's
always mum always gets it, yeah.Gotta.
It's the gig at March. Join Crowbar me.
He's running before doing. Crowbar myself in there.
What about that tonight? You know what?
I. Mean I'm an option.
I'll come. Off the bench.
So no. So mum's out for that.

(27:16):
So she's, it's me. And so for the first year of his
life, when he was about 6 monthsold, when we went back on the
road to do shows. And because my, my whole mindset
is this, this is not going to beforever.
My career could last another 10 minutes or 10 years.
Let's strike while the iron's hot and make as much cash as we
can and then get out. You know what I mean?

(27:37):
So I would have to put him, likepat him off to sleep, and then
he would go to sleep, say his shows at like 8:00, like I'm
supposed to walk on stage at 8:00.
Right now, his bedtime's about 738 o'clock.
So I pat him off, he goes to bed.

(27:59):
Now we've been leaving him in the hotel room with my wife,
obviously, but usually it's justin the green room.
And so I go from a dark room with white noise, patting him
off. Like I just filmed my special in
Sydney and I literally walked from that room, spent half an
hour putting him to sleep, gave him to my wife and then walked
straight on stage. Yeah, so it's weird.

(28:20):
Sometimes it's weird. It's that good because you're
not in your own head and you just got to get out, get into
it. So you're not.
Yeah, before. I really like it because
beforehand I would just pace, I'd do push ups, fucking shadow
boxing, all that shit. Are you you trying to like it?
Like as I used to DJ for many years and you know, I used to
get really nervous as well. And I'd be thinking about all
right, the first track and be looking at the room and and then

(28:40):
I'll be changing my mind and go fuck.
And then you'd hear them track the date because you've got the
comic before you. And I'd be hearing the track
before going oh, fuck, I'm gonnahave to do this.
And you're sort of on the fly. Yeah, yeah, trying to figure it
out. Is that you are you have you got
like a solid set or are you at the front end?
Because I'd imagine like I was saying that opening joke or that
opening line. Are you messing with that?

(29:01):
Are. You trying to do a bit of crowd
work up top? That's how I sort of usually do
it. I feel it's a bit of an awkward
meeting for the crowd when you walk in and immediately do
material. So I like to talk to people and
or talk about what I've been doing in that town that day or
what's happened. Like tonight, I'll probably talk
about the fact that I stood on asyringe this morning at the

(29:22):
front of H&M at the IN. The city here.
And I was there you go. Oh good.
This is a great start of the dayand had the cap on.
Thank Cross. And anyway, I'll talk about that
or I'll talk about something in the room.
A lot of rooms look weird, like rooms you'll perform in, like
there's something weird on the ceiling or there's a black like
glass chandeliers look like dildos.

(29:43):
You'll talk about that or whatever, so.
You're just constantly on the fly, just.
Whatever's there. And that's where new jokes will
come from, too. Yeah, just some observation and
you. Know, so you'll just pick up
bits and pieces here and there and it might, you know, it might
turn into something, it might not.
You might start crowd work. Like there's this big, big dude
in the front row the other nightwho gave me nothing and I was

(30:05):
trying to get something out of him.
The crowd was absolutely silent for like maybe a minute or two
and I'm just talking to him and I'm like, come on, mate, give me
something. He gave me nothing.
I just had to start again. It's fine.
That's sort of, if you've been doing it for long enough, you
can get yourself out of holes like that and that happens.
But I think that had a lot to dowith the type of guy he was.
And it was 7:00 at night. And you know, it is what it is,

(30:28):
but sometimes you're not good enough with what you're asking
or the questions you're asking. So you just go out and you just,
you just give it a crack. And most comedians are humorous
enough in their comebacks and stuff that they can make that
work. Others aren't.
So if crowd works your thing, then great, You'll be fine.
Other people really struggle with that and it's fine as well.

(30:48):
You just got to find what works for you.
Do you, when you come off, come off a show?
Do you? Sort of look back and and I
guess reflect on the things that, you know, I can get better
in that moment when someone flicks that back at me.
I've probably got a few more things to go.
You know what I mean? Like you, you're constantly
looking to improve your game, soI like it.
I I listen to my set from last night in the Uber over here and

(31:09):
I'll listen to the rest of it onthe way back.
So you're constantly listening to.
Unfortunately, yeah, I, I, I have to.
So I'll listen to it and I'll jot down little notes and I'll
text myself and all that type ofstuff.
And that's where changes are made.
That's where new bits come from and things are dropped and all
that type of stuff, you know? So there's this bit I was trying

(31:29):
to work on with breastfeeding and I just can't get it right.
So I'll get rid of that and I'llbring it back to the drawing
board and see if there's anything there, you know,
squeeze any last bits of milk out and if we can sort of thing,
so to speak. Is that it?
Is that the gear? No, but no, it was about
breastfeeding boobs and how, like, confrontingly huge they

(31:51):
are. And like how the nipple, the
areola, like, follows you aroundthe room.
Like the Lisa. I just, I don't know where it's
going, but it's something. But yeah, you got it.
You got to be because every year, or at least every 18
months, I basically start anew. You've got to reflect on it,
otherwise you're just doing the same shit forever.
Yeah, I was gonna say because you constantly need to be

(32:12):
turning material over, especially once you post it
online as well. It's gone.
Is that is was that fair to say?If a clip makes it online, yeah,
you're you need to move on from that, no matter how good the
joke was. You can't keep doing it like a
lot of that's what the comediansback in the old days used to.
Do yeah, because there was no social media didn't so they
could they could hold a set and build it over fucking over years

(32:33):
potentially yeah yeah yeah. So once you if you do a special,
put it online or Netflix fix it up or whatever, then you got to
retire all that stuff and then. Yep, you mentioned you you a
special. You shot a special up in Sydney
recently. So what?
Where are you going to put the special on your YouTube?
Well, we're talking to streamingguys at the moment, so we're
trying to work out if someone will buy it or we'll put it on
YouTube so. Well, that's your blessing.

(32:53):
That's one of your biggest blessings, right?
Oh yeah. There's plenty of people that
would love to shoot a a thing, but they need someone to pick it
up. You don't.
Well, that's the thing, and that's why this takes long.
It's a long negotiation because for me to not release it on
YouTube, the money has to be right.
And. At at this moment, we don't have
any figures, but it like for formy channel and obviously YouTube

(33:15):
channels don't. It doesn't matter how many
subscribers you have, it doesn'tmean you're going to get that
many views on the video. But I've got a good subscriber
base and putting it on YouTube is very beneficial for for me to
sell tickets. Like if I wasn't doing live
shows and it's not that beneficial.
I'm not going to make that much money on Adsense considering
what it cost me to shoot it, butwith ticket sales then.

(33:37):
So is the core business of a comedian then the ticket sales,
would you say? So?
It's definitely so. It's touring and ticket sales
for sure. Even you even you wear, you
know, 'cause even 'cause I feel like you're a bit of a, you're
an outlier with your social media and your YouTube and all
that. But even you you still like
ticket to the the foundation of all of.
It well, yeah, I mean, I I make a good living on just YouTube

(33:59):
alone, but if you can sell tickets.
It's a home run. Is the tickets?
Is is the game. Definitely, definitely.
Yeah, alright. How?
How? Merch.
How difficult? Well, yeah, of course.
Yeah. So merch, how difficult was it
to make money in the beginning as a as a comedian?
You don't. That's why I asked.
So what point were you able to knock that down?
Was it the YouTube and social media that was able to fast

(34:22):
track you there? Yeah, otherwise you'd still be
putting shower screens in. Yeah, well, that's it.
Like for the first two years of doing stand up, I made no,
probably. For the first five years doing
stand up, I made no money. For the first two years of
YouTube, I made no money. You know what I mean?
So it was like a really shitty apprenticeship you just busted.
But you loved it and you would win doing it for money.

(34:42):
Well, Oh no, it's definitely themindset.
That's what that's the biggest lie people ever say.
Oh, OK. For money?
Come on, man. Wow, it's yourself.
What are you doing well? Then what?
What made you keep going when you weren't making money?
That's the question. That's a good.
Question I I didn't want to worka real job.
Yeah, got Yeah, Amazing. And you and did and did you
believe in yourself that you absolutely I.

(35:02):
I So there's a there's a chapterin my book.
You look in the mirror and you go, I'm a funny fucker, you
know? Yeah, yeah.
There's a chapter in my book andI've forgotten the name of the
chapter. That's how good the book is.
It's a great it's, it's a great read.
Available on all audio book platforms and regular
bookstores. And we'll link it down below.
Body link down. Thanks for bringing a couple in.
I actually I don't have any. All sold out, that's.

(35:25):
Fine, yeah, yeah. And it's all about only having
the possibility of moving forward, right?
You can only move forward in OneDirection.
And that's where the goal is. The, the, the option of failure
doesn't exist. And I told my wife this ages ago
when we first started doing videos because she pushed me
into videos. I said, I will.
I cannot fail this, this cannot not work.

(35:47):
There's no other other. There's no other option than
this being successful. And that's all we're going to
accept. And she was like, absolutely.
I 100% believe in you and she has the entire time so that's
without her I wouldn't be doing this at all.
Especially when you're putting videos on the Internet and and
the type of videos that you're reacting to and you know, and
controversial, start having opinions and stuff to know that

(36:08):
you've got someone in your corner unconditionally allows
you to go because imagine it'd be pretty lonely PK if you
didn't have a partner. You're putting yourself out
there in the way that you are. Everyone's coming at you and you
start questioning yourself a bitand go, fuck, should I be doing?
But when you've got someone go. No, no, this is we're on the
right path. Let's keep flying straight.
Be good to come off a show and have that like rock there to

(36:29):
sort of like, you killed it tonight.
We can work on Cher, but we're still on the right path.
And she's come up with jokes that are I've been cancelled
for, but the Christchurch massacre joke that was one of
hers. Really.
That I got done for that was that I've got.
Can I ask who do you fuck with in the Aussie?
Like Aussie comics? Which Aussie comics are you

(36:50):
looking at thinking? Well, they're doing their own
thing. I like what they're doing
opposed to just, you know. I like Neil Karl Hatkar, okay,
he's a well, you know, everyone I like has been my friend for a
long time. So Neil does a lot of work on on
TikTok and on YouTube and he does a really good.
He's in Melbourne at the moment in the Comedy Festival.
I recommend him. He's a great comedian.

(37:12):
Frenchie's a lovely dude. Oh, Frenchie.
Yeah, I remember. He's actually.
Just rang me I. Saw you do some content with.
Him. He's rang me three times since
I've been here. Frenchie chill out mate.
I was wearing his. Shirt on fire or something?
I was wearing his shirt around Melbourne the other day and I
was sending him a photo. I said I'm I'm your walking
billboard, big fella. He's mate.
I've got a question. He's mate Wade.
They used to do he Wade used to what was his.

(37:33):
Name Josh Wade. Josh Wade, Yeah.
Yeah, what happened to that dude?
Because he was like the first. Yeah, he was.
He was. Him and Frenchy.
Frenchy was early as well. Josh was, he was brilliant.
He had the I reckon he had the first podcast I ever watched.
Josh is my manager. Right now, yeah, that's.
Where he's gone. Yeah, and he's gone.

(37:53):
Yeah. And he has been since I started
doing YouTube. And what happened because he was
all used to watch. He used to do these podcasts
before podcasts were even a podcast, Yeah.
Where he used to interview comics and strippers and addicts
and whatever. Yeah.
He did it with the producers, now edits my videos and has done
since the start. So he disappeared.
Tell me man, I've do you know what?
I've actually googled his name many times over the years.

(38:15):
Like what happened to this dude that I used to follow that was
he just. Sort of fell out of love with it
and he wanted to get into more of the behind the scenes stuff
and he does a very good job at it.
And he's your shout out, Josh White.
Josh White. Yeah, he was brilliant, man,
Like he was early. He was a trailblazer for sure,
man. He was selling on Facebook and
shit. Hundreds of tickets to comedy

(38:36):
shows when he was in high school.
Yeah, he was like, he was a gun funny fucker.
He was a gun and and. He's, I'm glad he's OK because
he's honest to God, or honestly thought that, yeah, 'cause he,
he would share a fair bit back in the day, honestly thought
maybe something bad had happenedor the do you know what I mean?
Yeah. And it just never got reported.
No, he's still in good. He's on.
He's on Ozempic and he's doing really good.

(39:00):
He's doing very, very good and he's good at what he does.
He's he actually brought out Steve O from Jackass out here
and Mick Foley from the wrestling and all that type of
stuff. So he does that type of that
type of business. So he's very good at what he
does. We.
Need to we need to link. Up.
Yeah, mate, I don't know how you, I don't know how you'd.
Reach. I can't.
You can't let him ever fucking find his name on the Internet.
He sounds pretty low. He's scrubbed.

(39:20):
Scrubbed himself. He's.
Fully scrubbed from the Internet.
Dude. I, I 'cause I used to like, used
to love his shit, man. So this this is how I got into
doing videos. My friend Matt was had hit him
up when he came to Newcastle years ago, Josh and asked if he,
Matt could open for him in Newcastle.

(39:40):
Josh said sure. And then after that Matt said do
you want me to open for any other shows?
And Josh said yeah, sure. What about I think it was 22
cities inland in Armadale and Tamworth and, and Matt said to
Josh, do you mind if I bring my mate Isaac?
He's starting out in comedy and yada yada yada.

(40:02):
So I went and opened and then Matt introduced me to Frenchie
as well, who he also knew. Then I started to get the sort
of the bug for doing online stuff 'cause I saw how.
Josh and Frenchie were, yeah, yeah, those boys were.
Early. So if I didn't meet those guys,
I probably wouldn't be doing this either.
So it was. It was very, very.
Important shout out those guys, 'cause always I followed those
guys early men. I remember that period and it

(40:23):
was Facebook period. You know, this is how long ago
it was. This wasn't on insta fucking.
He's here for the next two weeks.
You should hit him up. He's a very good.
Frenchie Yeah mate, we'll talk chat after the show.
We'd love to and I reckon I've tried to hit him up before.
He's probably fucking. Listen, but way when we started,
I think I think way when we started because like I said,
like Frenchie and Josh, I followed their careers earlier

(40:43):
and had a lot of respect becauseI guess as well that they used
to play the tradies as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were.
We were fucking tradies, man, You know, I see.
We were tradies, so. Yeah.
Yeah, but but so, so Frenchie Josh Neil friendly Geordies.
I don't. Know Oh yeah, I know friendly
Geordies he's he's amazing as well he's.
A great dude so. Is he considered a comedian?
Well, I've never seen his show. He's he's a funny thing.

(41:07):
He he, he. He's humorous.
He's definitely humorous, but heand he's a, he's a journalist,
so he's just on a, a well. He does like a he does, from
from what I've heard, he does a lecture that is humorous.
Yeah. And that's his live show, which
is vastly. Oh OK, that's his live show.
So I'm more, I'm on his. On his YouTube like he cracks
jokes and stuff like that and hedoes.
He does. Comedy, well, he he takes the

(41:28):
piss out of whatever he the way he's angle of reporting,
whatever it can be serious news normally like political stuff or
whatever, but it's from a humorous yeah, yeah, he's he's
brilliant. Yeah, he is.
He is. He's very, very smart.
He's very switched on. And it's I'm, I'm lucky that
I've got to meet some of these dudes because they're very, very
nice guys. And I've, you know, and.

(41:48):
They tucked you under the wing. Yeah, they did.
They, they helped like particularly in the early days,
helped me out, gave me spots and, and so I'm indebted to them
in that respect. And, and yeah, like they're,
they're all doing Melbourne the Comedy Festival and, and people
who will listen to this, if you're in Melbourne, you should
go see them. Yeah, absolutely.
Let's go. I was like where, where, how,
where does this go? Like you're, you're doing shows,

(42:09):
you're selling tickets like you say, does that do we go
overseas? Yeah, So what?
I got my visa for America finally through.
It took me about six months. It was ridiculous.
The hardest process of all time.So you can work.
So I can work over there. So awesome.
But I've got some good contacts there.
Yeah, doing some work with some people.
And we're just sort of, I had tour dates booked, planned,

(42:33):
ready to go and then the visa slowed that process down.
And then the, the company that booked all those dates had the
shoots with me because I had to basically say you can't, I don't
know the fucking visa yet. And.
I he won't let me in. Well, I've got it back.
Then it was probably Joe, yeah. It was Joe yeah, I've got a good
line to Trump. I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm.
I wouldn't say mates with because that sounds like like

(42:55):
I'm a bit of a fuck, but I'm good, I'm good friends I.
Guess don't say very. Friendly.
I'm friendly with UFC President Dana White, so he's a one step
away from Trump. So if I need assistance I will.
I'll hit him up. He's.
And I feel like he's following. Could be similar to your
following. Yeah, yeah.
And he, I, I was doing work for the USC and then when that
Aboriginal joke happened, they got rid of me and, and I, I

(43:18):
messaged him because we had met a couple of times and we got on
really well. And I said, and dude, yeah, just
let you know, this is this has happened.
All good, but you know, if you ever need anything like
Australian comedian just was like, hey, put it out there.
He says no, fuck that. No one gets cancelled by the
USC. Yeah.
That's what I was gonna say. That doesn't sound right.
Yeah, he said. Nah, that doesn't happen.
And the bloke who got rid of me actually ended up getting fired.

(43:41):
Like so Dana chose me, who he met twice over someone he
employed. He chose free speech, man.
Absolutely. He fuck, he's a crusader for
that, You know what I mean? He and even like, you know,
there was some crazy shit said recently.
Bryce Mitchell. Yeah, with Bryce Mitchell, man,
which is you just go look, how do these people, people, where
do they come from? Yeah, you know what I mean?
But he still didn't. No, and he did the right thing,

(44:02):
he said. He's an idiot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't agree with him.
He's a moron. He actually called him a moron.
Yeah, a fucking moron. Hey, can I ask him what's the
name of the You're going to Summer Island after Melbourne?
Where is that? Oh, Bribie Island, Yeah, what's
that near? Just just outside of Brisbane.
Oh OK, what's this sounded for? So I've got a question.
So you've been you, you know, you've sold tickets all around

(44:26):
Australia town, all through the country, towns and stuff.
Can you tell us best and worst? Where would you say where?
Where, where? Where's the worst place?
You've. Yeah, you've had to.
OK, I will say the worst was Bendigo, only because I got

(44:47):
gastro an hour before the show. Oh.
How'd that play out? A lot of just shit.
It was so. Bad shit out the front and the
back. It was so bad, man.
It was so bad and I had to cancel the show like everyone
was there in the. Audience.
And I was like, Josh, Josh Wade's on the Family Guy.

(45:07):
Like you can do it. I'm like, I can do it.
And I I I can't do it. Wear a nappy or something.
My wife's like we're bringing pharmacies and apparently they
used to give out like needles tostop your vomiting and stuff and
they couldn't do it. So As for the best place I've
ever performed, I think New Yorkwas pretty special.
That was pretty cool, but the. End more specific was there a

(45:28):
specific theatre in New York is.It so it was the only place I've
done it in New York is the is stand up New York, which is just
a little bar, but it was really,really cool and a lot of big
acts go in there and so it was cool to share that stage with
people who had been in there before.
But the end more in Sydney. I did a special there that was
really cool the State Theatre inSydney is really cool as well.
The Palais in Melbourne is really, really nice and just, I

(45:52):
don't know, each place is different but very much the same
and I don't. Know small rooms or big rooms
like it's those ones that you'retalking about See there's a
colour they're big rooms. But I've seen you like some of
the some of the best clips I've seen of yours are in these like
little rooms like you said with weird chandeliers or whatever
and they bring in. Some, they're more fun.

(46:12):
They're more fun. The theater ones make you feel
like you're on show. Yeah, a lot more than the
smaller rooms. And I think I've heard someone
say it's a bit trickier as well with the reaction, like the
timing of the the. Laughs coming back it takes time
when I did the end more show I was like like genuinely taken
back by the roar when I walked out and not the two beyond hall.

(46:34):
It was it was it was scared. I was scared like I was like
and. Is that the acoustics in the
room? Yeah, it just hit me like a
wave. There was like 2000 people there
and I was like, this is insane. And, and yeah, so that was
really cool. And I'd rather do that than, you
know, smaller rooms, but smallerrooms have their place.

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And that's what's really cool aswell.
Smaller rooms and smaller crowdstoo.
Like depending on where you go, like the Enmore Enmore, I did
2000 people and I went up to Airlie Beach the week after that
and I did a room full of 97. That was weird and I really
bombed. In the 97.
Yeah, 'cause I was like, I went in with the energy.
Oh, you walked in a big show? I thought I was a big Dick and I

(47:18):
I walked in there and they hatedme so.
I'm here. I made.
It I'm here. Yes.
Hello people. Are going.
So, but that's. Karens up the back.
Oh mate, it it was really cool. But I actually did a that day
too. I was in a weird, weird frame of
mind. I did a like barrel rolls in

(47:40):
like a a Russian fighter plane or something.
OHK One. Of those sort of things, yeah.
And he was doing. Flip Experience.
It was awful. Hate it, he said.
You'll love it mate. You'll get out of this and
you'll love it. I was like never again dude.
That was the worst thing I've ever done.
I felt so sick. Just I felt sick for days.
I can't even do like the merry go rounds and stuff like that.
I feel sick all the little teacup rides at the fair and all

(48:02):
that. I can't do those feel crook.
But this bloke was, we went intothe into the beach there doing
450 KS an hour and then he just rips it and your whole body like
you feel so heavy. It's insane, The G Force.
'S G Force, yeah. And then you do these flips.
Actually, when he took off, he was just sort of coasting along
and he goes, you're ready. I was like, yeah, OK.
And I sort of just looked down at the same time that he pulled

(48:24):
up the the old stick. And like, I couldn't lift my
head like that. It was just going down and down
as I felt like I was gonna snap off.
It was crazy. And he just went from like, you
know, 20 metres, 30 metres off the ground to like 400 metres
off the ground in like 2 or 3 seconds and it's just mad.
Can I ask Isaac, your Instagram is a very dangerous like a it's

(48:48):
almost like educational slash 'cause you do a lot of reactions
on there. There's a lot of weird shit on.
There dude I gotta ask, where are you finding some of this
stuff like always like. Instagram.
Watching some of this shit go on.
Just what is this They should the?
Algorithm is insane. I've got also got a question.
Yeah. How did you know all about the
the dude that was transitioning and you were able to commentate

(49:10):
and you you knew how they how they?
How they? Did so because you were saying
they got the skin from here and you couldn't pick the girth and
the length. And I'm going yeah.
How does Isaac know? This so when someone is
transitioning from male, sorry from female to male, they'll
take the skin off your forearm and create a penis out of it.
And I just heard someone talk about that.
I I retain unnecessary information.

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Because when he was, when there was like, how did he know that?
Don't know, I just I know enormous amounts of facts about
things that aren't important. So when you go to transition,
you can't say to the doctor, give me 3 inches by an inch and
1/2 he turns and he goes show meyour arm and you're limited by
how long your arm is. But that's a long arm.

(49:52):
I've got a long arm I. Haven't got a very long arm you.
Got a girth? You got a girthy for her.
You're in trouble. Because it's then it's the fat
is. Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
I'm not an expert, but I'll I'lltry.
But it's the fat, isn't it? Then they use so use the skin
and then they use the fat and that determines the girl.
I've got a tattoo. You need to look.
Good on it. I got caught on your Instagram

(50:12):
and some of the shit I was learning, I'm like, yeah, you
can't. Yeah, I know there was some good
reaction, real type stuff. Well that's I just I post
constantly so it's all. Just there was the What was it?
The Lily? Lily.
Mina XO, the Down syndrome girl.Oh.
Right, yes, they're using AI deep fakes to sell only fans

(50:34):
content pretending these girls are Down syndrome and it's
fucking great. The graphic.
It's different a it's they're charging 15 bucks a month.
So these dudes and they've got thousands of followers.
People are fucked. Oh yeah.
That's where I'm at. Yeah, it's just they just argued
like, who are the people that are, you know what I mean?

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But anyway, if you have, if you're looking to to to kill a
few hours, get on Isaac's Instagram.
Isaac, am I being is it rude to ask for some gear, some fresh
gear? Do you work or not like
material? Sorry, Yeah, getting.
Withdrawn. Let's see.
Let's have a look actually. Or just some of your, some of
your. Topics.
What kind of topics will work like?

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I was just just curious and justI want to have a laugh.
So what I do is I text myself, me and me.
So I'll just scroll through and I'll see what's what's happened
or something. I I usually usually it's a punch
line or a premise. Can.
You. Yeah.
OK so you start with a premise. middle-aged women are the

(51:39):
dumbest cunts alive. That's interesting.
I think I was having a blue withme mum.
Create an audio clip for the bitabout Russians invading the
blind on New Year's Eve. The.
Russians invading the blind. So this is a bit that I've
started doing that actually getsa really good response where

(51:59):
I've created an audio clip aboutme describing.
They're looking for someone to describe fireworks to blind
people. Yeah, right.
Now that makes no sense. But this is this is a job.
This was a job that they were trying to get someone to do.
That was, it was diversity sort of thing to allow everyone to
enjoy New Year's Eve. And I thought, wouldn't it be
funny if the person who was describing them like, you know,

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started to freak him out and lieabout what was happening because
there's so many explosions. And then that turns into the
Russians invading and it's a whole.
That's not the fireworks. Yeah, exactly.
There's a whole audio bit. And I was, I was sure it was
going to flop. And it gets like a round of
applause. So I was, I was so sure that it
wasn't gonna do well. I kept saying to Claire, my
wife, I kept playing. She goes, I, I guess it'll be

(52:42):
OK. And I got a great.
Must cookie though, right? Because it threw me off just
like what the fuck? But does that happen more often
than not? It happens with videos all the
time. Videos I think that'll do well
do terribly, and things that videos that I just don't care
about will do well. Sounds familiar?
Yeah, yeah, man. It's, it's people are weird.
People are just weird. You don't know what's going to
do well and you can't choose pick it yourself.

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How did you get into the reactions?
Well, that was just something. Well, that was the first video
that went far, was a reaction video.
So you went. Oh, more so.
So what I do, and I try to do this is I put in videos that I
think are important and then I do videos that I think people
like and then. A bit of a balance.
By getting that balance, I've I've been able to build an
audience and win them over with things that I know they like,

(53:29):
like reaction shit. Like, people enjoy that and
then, hey, this is an important story, let's talk about it.
Yeah, yeah. Be true, sort of true to the the
way you're where you're headed. Yeah, like I, I always say to
people, do what people like and then do what you want to do, you
know, so you follow, follow through with.
What? Yeah.
Yeah, even using microphones. Yeah, it's, but it's all

(53:56):
learning curve, right? Yeah, like I see you guys are on
a build like that's awesome. Like what you got 20,000
subscribers? Yeah, yeah, we're on your own.
You're. Kind of crazy.
That's that's, that's a lot of people.
You know, you spot on though, because we get ones that pop off
like we, we, we always think I was saying to someone last week,
you know, I think we had a reel that go to 1.7 million on TikTok
and then it gets 3000 on Instagram and then you go, what

(54:18):
the hell? Yeah.
Does that make sense? It doesn't.
It doesn't think the. Algorithm is strange, no one
understands it. It's Skynet.
It's gonna kill us all. So what's your?
What, what do you do? You just throw and see what
sticks. What's your What's your content?
Strategy is just. There's no keep putting it out.
Yeah, keep putting. That was what always has been,
you know, just OK, the second video goes up, who cares?

(54:39):
Go on to the next one. Right.
So you're not looking back on? No.
Apart from if it pops you go anddo another one like that.
I couldn't tell you what views videos this week got.
OK. You know, because it's you gotta
focus on what's next. And I guess you could.
You can't control it either, right?
No. So you just want to.
Focus on what you can control, which is the next.
Week, I watch it for the first half an hour or an hour and I

(55:00):
go, OK, we need to change the thumbnail, we need to change the
time. What kind of team have you got
behind helping you with the thumbnail and the editing and
all that this is? Really good.
Yeah, I got a thumbnail guy thatlooks after us as well, so we
it's just. So you've built a little team
over. There and I I asked Claire and
she goes, that's a terrible title.
Why did you choose that? And I go, I don't know.
She goes try this. I was like try that and some
sometimes you can turn a video like on YouTube that's A and

(55:24):
this this is important to know that the 10 out of 10 means it's
the worst performing so the. 10 out of 10.
Yeah, yeah. Worst performing?
One out of 10 best performing. I've turned videos that are 10
out of 10 into one out of 10 just by changing the title.
You have Yeah, Yeah. Crazy.
Yeah. And you just just.
Because you've got that wrong. OK, you.
You do that? Yeah, we we actually did that
recently. And it's like, I'm gonna just

(55:44):
follow along at home. He's control on the machine.
Yeah, I'm following like home going he'll.
Send me a screenshot of it popping.
And then I like, I'm gonna go, not too good.
Then I go, oh God, you found some legs, have you?
Yeah, Yeah, there was one over the weekend, like the other
weekend. And you, you hit me on the
Monday and what? I didn't change the title I
think on the Friday and because we put it out on the Thursday

(56:04):
and changed it on the Friday andthen come Monday, Pete sent me a
screenshot and had like tripled in, you know, tripled in views
and gone. Down to sway to #1.
Fair to sway to number. One, that's it.
Sometimes it's sometimes it's just a shit video.
And yeah, yeah, exactly. Sometimes.
You've got a couple of terms with that.
And you've got to give up on your career and it's over.
But other times it does well andyou just never know what's going
to go. You know what I mean?

(56:25):
So. But gentlemen, I'm going to head
back. I do appreciate your time and
your efforts. I do apologise for for Leader,
it's been a fantastic podcast. Thanks for joining us, ladies.
And Joe Peter, thanks for joining us for harming it.
Can I say though, you made the fucking day.
I bet all him absolutely I was. Great to be here.
So that fucking Josh Wade, he's alive.
He's healthy and I'm alive. He's still, well, kicking ass,

(56:47):
man. Because I categorically was
convinced that he was dead, thatsomething had happened to him.
Yeah, because, man, he was everywhere then he was nowhere
and he scrubbed, you said it before, he is actually scrubbed
from the Internet. And it's like, how did, how does
that happen? Do you know what?
I mean, he's working, but yeah, so shout out to Josh Wade
because honestly, my brain's gone there many times over the

(57:11):
years. Like what happened to that dude,
man. No, he's a, he's a very good
dude. I really like Josh.
He's a, he's a very close friendof mine and he's doing, he's
doing great. With what he's doing, awesome.
Yeah. Awesome Isaac, mate, thanks for
coming on. And I think yeah, just well
done. Like we obviously I missed a bit
of the front end, but like the fact that you followed what you
wanted to do, you know, and and.When you get with the grain man.

(57:32):
Shower screens and all that sortof stuff.
And it took time as well, like took years and years.
And now you've got a crazy following, selling tickets,
travelling around with your family.
That's great. So just one piece of
congratulations on all that. Give to a comedian now that was
trying to be a comedian or not trying to be a comedian but
trying to breakthrough as a comedian.
I'll, I'll, I'll tell you what aguy called Elder Bennett told me

(57:54):
because Joe Rogan told to him. He said do what you think's
funny. That's it.
Just believe in yourself. That's it.
Love it. We can live on that.
Well done mate. Appreciate your time.
Thanks busy man. Thank you.
Like share, subscribe. See you at the top.
People will be part of a winningteam.
People can find a better versionof themselves if they choose.

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You just need to go start some shit.
Action is all that matters. See a man, if you would think, I
look back now and I'm like, well, that took some guts.
He can't. He can't.
He can't. See you at the top.