June 10, 2025 • 41 mins
From the streets of Pattaya to international recognition, Sawasdee Lydia’s journey is unlike anything you’ve heard. Labelled a ladyboy from a young age, she faced judgment, rejection, and constant misunderstanding, but through it all, she found power in being herself.
In this raw, unfiltered conversation, she opens up about growing up trans in Thailand, working in the industry, and the moment she finally stepped into her truth.
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🔥 In this episode:
- How Lydia navigated childhood being labelled a “ladyboy”
- The pressures and pitfalls of working in the Thai nightlife industry
- Moments of breakthrough — and complete breakdown
- The internal fight to live openly, proudly, and without apology
- Why she believes visibility is her greatest power
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I go to like a market and I saw the panties and I asked my mom
that I want to wear that they want to be a girl.
What kind of work were you doingin Pattaya?
My mum and my auntie, they work at the massage and that's the
first job. Yeah, real massage.
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It's not like, not like, not typical massage, not naughty.
Again, that's a stereotype. Would you say it's more of a
misconception? Yeah but but I also be in the
sick industry, being sexy, get attention online but I'm not
enjoy that much. I feel like it's too shallow for
people to just they don't care anything about you but they only
(00:43):
want to just see you naked. I still want to be like normal
girl or something who have normal relationship with real
people. Can you share with us probably
the craziest request that you'vehad on Only Fans?
It's it will be like. Welcome back to Australia's
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Please like, share subscribe loving the support Benny
Thailand Phuket and it would be remiss of us not to speak to a
real lady boy. Mate, absolutely.
Yeah, and you've tied it up in true Benny drone style, but
super excited, Lydia, thanks forjoining us.
Hi, awesome, amazing. Saudi Saudi Cup.
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Saudi Cup. Saudi Cup.
Love it. Love it.
Thailand. We're in Phuket.
It's been amazing. It's beautiful.
Lady boys is something synonymous with the Thailand
culture. Yeah.
So keen to get into all that. But Lydia, can you tell us, you
know, what was it like early growing up?
(01:52):
What was your environment like? And it was in Bangkok, was it?
I'm from Saguna Khan. It's like northeast of Thailand,
so they call Isan. So it's like that part of the
country in Thailand. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
So what was that like? What was that like growing up?
(02:14):
It's like a normal boy. But when I first that I know
that I want to be a girl, I go to like a market, local market
that they sell like clothes and stuff.
And I saw the panties. It's like lace panties for the
lady. And I asked my mom that I want
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to wear that. So then after that, it's just
like coming to mind that I want to change.
Yeah. What?
What age were Lydia? I think around like I can
remember it's like 6-7 or something.
OK, maybe school starting schoolthat.
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Sort of stuff. What was what is it like going
to school and then wanting to change?
I'm quite like a quiet person, so it's not much different
because they have some friend that be the same in in the
class, in in the school. So we'll be friends.
(03:19):
And now. Yeah, yeah.
From that, so 6 is sort of when you say, hey, I'd like to, you
know, wear something different. Yeah, but but in Thailand is is
not easy to it's not like now. Now is better because the trans
(03:42):
like like little boy or like maybe 15 years old or something.
You can change like clothes to to wear like like a girl.
And you can have long hair now, not like before.
I have to still be a boy. Yeah.
So when, Yeah. So when you were looking to
(04:03):
transition and yeah. And I I would say start like
1718. So I start to grow long hair and
like being more myself like this, yeah.
Yeah, So what I think because that's the thing that, yeah,
when I've, I guess, you know, gone down the rabbit hole of
transgender and that sort of stuff, I just every time I sort
(04:25):
of go there, I just feel sorry for the children or the young
adults that have to I guess be aboy if they really deep down
feel like they're a girl, if that makes sense.
Or what was it like from age 6 until you got to the, you know,
6/17/18 where you could actuallybe the girl you wanted?
(04:48):
To be yeah, express yourself. Yeah, it's it's difficult at
time, but it's very normal for Thailand that you you can have
kind of like gay that like feminine boy.
Yeah. So I don't know about the word
lady boys before in my life. It's become later that I know
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because I come to Pattaya. So I, I, I lived in Bangkok and
Pattaya before. Yeah, yes.
So how how old were you when youmoved to Pattaya?
Cause Pattaya for the people playing along at home is
probably the sex capital of Thailand is that.
Yeah, I, I moved to Bangkok like18 and then I moved to Pattaya
(05:31):
around like 20, yeah. OK.
And what kind of what kind of work were you doing in Pattaya
back then? Yeah, it's funny that my mom and
my auntie, they are the, you know, they, they work at the
massage, so they teach me how todo.
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And that's the first job that I I really doing it.
Yeah. And so is that that was the
natural progression to follow inafter your mother and your
auntie. Yeah, into massage.
Yeah, and Creo massage. It's not like, not not like
massage, not naughty massage. Yeah, because everywhere I have
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like a secret massage, you know,happy ending and stuff.
But time outside is also being in Thailand for a long time.
Yeah, long, maybe longer than Lady Boy, so I don't know.
Yeah. So the Thai massage gets a bit
of a, a bad rub. Sorry about the joke, but yeah,
it gets a bit of a gets a bit ofa bad.
(06:37):
Rub a bad rub. Stop it.
No, but but I think I think, yeah, that again, that's, you
know, again, that's a that's a stereotype much like you're
saying, like, like a lady boy. And I can tell you now that I've
been enjoying the massages over here of the the, the original
kind, you know, well, leading upto the fight and stuff.
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And it is, it is a, a true, yeah, like a true cult.
It's like a deep in their cultural, if you know, if that
makes sense, just massage and I guess with the tourism and
stuff. And it's, it's, is it.
Would you say it's more of a misconception for outsiders like
Westerners that come over that the assumption is that all the
massage places or lady boys are working in these places in the
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sex industry and stuff like that?
Yeah, but. But you can tell what's what
you're looking for. You know what?
I. Mean.
Yeah, Yeah. Absolutely.
If you see the girl wearing something like, oh, this is real
massage. You know how how they dress and
how they interact with their customer, like near the street
(07:47):
or something. You can see how you can see how
they dress or, you know, yeah, it's easy to to tell.
And if you want foot massage, they not gonna do it for you.
Yeah, yeah. You you have to go for like a
older lady or like that look more like their clothes is more
(08:12):
how to call not not revealing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, understand. There you go, Benny.
Some tips? For you, mate, can I, can I ask,
can I ask Lydia? Like, were you ever not sure?
Was there a time, you know, Yeah.
Was there, was there ever a time, I guess that you weren't
(08:32):
sure and you were sort of tryingto figure out what, you know,
because that's a big decision totransition, right?
And it's A, and it's a big thingto, to sort of go through, like
Pete said, as a young kid or as a young adult as you came into
an adult. I think around yeah, is is if
you call like 1617 or something,yeah, that maybe I think maybe I
(08:56):
I will transition to be gay because it's have to go two way.
It's not men have to be gay or lady boy.
So I have to shoot two side because it's like big decision
in life that I have to walk through.
Yeah, yeah. Gotcha, gotcha.
Is that is that common? So it's people have to go, OK,
(09:18):
might go. Gay or go my my friend that I
said we we in school together. Now he decides to be like a
teacher, so he be transformed tobe like someone that I don't
think he going to be. It's like one guy in school
teaching children and stuff and I'm here.
(09:40):
I don't even know how I got hereand be like this, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Yep.
So, so you're doing the massageswith your auntie and your mum.
How does it, how do you get intothe line of work you're in now?
How does that evolve? Yeah, and end up in Phuket,
like, you know what I mean, 'cause it's a long way from
(10:01):
Pattaya and and Bangkok. I, I work at massage like not,
not for long, maybe four years or something.
Yeah. And I have one boyfriend who
like from Europe, he stay in Pattaya.
So I stay with him like maybe few years along that time I
(10:24):
learned how to do like do hair, you know, do like hair salon,
salon. Yeah.
Yeah. And after that, that's my job.
Yeah. To to work in salon.
Hair salon, like a hairdresser, Yeah.
Yeah, no, I understand. Can I just timestamp so at what
(10:48):
point did the transition that I guess the formal transition into
a lady boy start for you and howlong does that process take?
Can you talk us through that a little bit?
Yeah, it's, it's kind of like for me, I don't want to go like,
like extreme to go very sexy. It's always in my mind that I
(11:14):
still have to be more normal forfor me, I I still want people to
think that I'm not someone that like crazy walking around.
I I still want to be people, to say that I'm still normal.
You want to be accepted as you? Yeah.
(11:34):
Yeah, yeah. It's not like, oh, I'm like, I
think weird or walking like model all the time, you know, on
the road is I think that's a bittoo much for me.
But if they they live their lifelike that, I think it's OK if if
they have their own people to like go to with them like that.
(11:59):
Yeah, but but it's kind of like it's scary for me sometime that
some some of different group that they go to and they acting
weird and they think it's normalbecause they have the group to
do it together. But but it's not when people
outside look at you. It's not, it's does.
(12:20):
That frustrate you a little bit that they act like that.
It's it's their own decision. I think.
Yeah, for, for me, I still want to be feminine.
I want to be like normal people walking around happy and don't
have people like to judge all the time is something that
(12:45):
people think lady boy is also like.
They want attention from like people around them.
So they try to be long, they tryto walk a little bit weird, you
know, act like something not dry.
Yeah, I think that's that's still there until now.
It's like, it's like you be be adrag queen in daytime.
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So yeah. That's the stereotypical.
I but I don't don't want that well and.
And, and I think you're winning and that's that's working for
you because if I'm being completely honest, like I, I
wouldn't like if you hadn't toldme that, if I didn't know I was
interviewing a lady boy right now.
Like, you know, since the momentyou walk in the conversation we
had before. And yeah, like, yeah.
(13:32):
Does that make sense? Taking the piss out.
Of it, yeah, like. The sounds of it.
But I guess my, my question would be though, would you know,
I guess making relationships andbuilding relationships, I've
probably got a couple of questions.
Would you say your immediate or closest circle would be, is it,
are there, are the lady boys there?
Or is it more a mix of just friends and family and whatever?
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And also when you do meet peoplefor the first time, or if it's
someone that may be showing somekind of interest to you, do you
feel like obligated to, to let them know that you are a lady
boy? Because I honestly would have no
idea. Like I genuinely wouldn't.
I don't know about you, Pete, but yeah, like, you know what I
mean. So you know, you, you, you look
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beautiful and you talk elegantlyand, and feminine and, and all
of the things that you're saying.
You know what I mean? Say, I guess Yeah, that's yeah
you. Wouldn't have to if you didn't
need to. Yeah.
You wouldn't have to if you didn't want to.
And but where do you sit sort ofsit on that and how does that
sort of has that evolved over time as well?
I think one of my friend is likeYouTube because I can learn
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everything from there. Like I want to learn something,
how to be productive, how to be like good people in general so I
can search on that and it's easyto just listen.
But how to adapt in my life is very important because it's like
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1 friend of me because that's make make me me to be me today.
Also because YouTube. I learn a lot from that and I
try to learn good thing from that.
And I think I'd be this person also like like a kind of
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manifest or something that that you think you can do something
better and you can be a person you want to be.
And yeah, before I I look also look weird look look like not
not look like. I want to be like this like
today. So it's not.
(15:45):
So you've you've evolved. Yeah, I, I try to learn more
style to, to be like the, the, the thing that's fit me the
most. Yeah, yeah.
So I, I can be who I am today like this.
And yeah, it's it's been a long way, but I love it.
It the past is the experience isthe experience who we meet
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today, Yeah. Yeah, Lydia, so I'm coming from
a long way back, but with the lady boys, does as far as
transitioning does, you know, does some go the whole way as
far as, you know, changing, you know, genuinely changing your
gender? And what's the percentage do to
(16:34):
some lady boys just, you know, stay sort of, you know, fully a
man or to some fully transition?Or do you have Yeah, do you have
to fully transition to qualify, I guess as a lady boy or
identify as a lady boy? Some of the lady boys they they
don't like to call lady boys if they already like fully
(16:56):
transition. To fully transition.
It's like I'm a girl. I think they they don't like to
be called lady boys. And that's maybe why they're
fully. Yeah, yeah, that makes us.
Like where they're all in? Yeah, yeah, I'm all in.
I'm a I'm a girl. Kind of like they're all.
In I'm coming from a fairway back here to be fair back
that's. Not usually the case, yeah.
(17:17):
Like we're both coming from a fairway back here.
It's kind of like inside I thinkI'm.
Catching up here, right? You know, yeah, and they're all.
They go, they go through with the whole transition.
Yeah, yeah. They're like put the put the
male behind me and it's just, I'm just, yeah, it's a.
Girl the whole way. I think it's some kind of
chemical in the inside the brainalso yeah, because they after
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that you have to take hormones like the rest of your life.
So you you cannot make like produce the what's it called
testosterone to to be alive. So you have to take you have
they have to take two estrogen and yes, what's it called?
(18:06):
Testosterone. Yep, yeah, to to be alive, but
but I think they did not live long.
Yeah, right. It's not a.
Great process. So is that, is that something
that is I guess scientifically shown that if you transition
that it does shorten your life? From my perspective and people
(18:28):
that I know, they they not live very long if they fully like
surgery down there, yeah. Yeah, which makes it would be
pretty full on I would have thought.
They kind of get mad and like they have period all the time,
like a woman have period and thefeelings, yeah, a little bit in
(18:51):
some people, yeah, but most of them are, yeah.
Yeah, I just like to state for the record, but when I did the
research, dude, I didn't research like transgender.
I just researched Lydia, so I think I've just caught up with
what's going on. No, I did the research.
All right, all right. I think that's the one I wanted
to. Do the research.
That's why I was asking, like when I thought you would
(19:14):
transition like I have. No, Yeah, like I'm playing bid
to catch up here. But This is why we doing it.
Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much, Lydia.
So, Lydia, so you've done the massage, you're doing the hair.
I feel like it's a not if it's amisconception or not, it's a
wrong assumption. Lady boys go into the sex trade.
(19:39):
Or industry. Industry now, I think it's, it's
not so much like before in my age, in in my time.
I think it's more because we don't have so much choices to
choose, like a career. Gotcha.
Yeah. And it's not being accepted by
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society in that time, but not like now.
It's OK. Well, there's people like you,
Lydia, that are sort of changingthe narrative because what we'll
I'm sure we'll get to eventually, like you, social
media has blown up and you've sort of put your story out there
and, and, and you're showing, yeah, you're showing the world
and coming on podcasts like, yeah, she's showing the world
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that, yeah, that is a stereotypethat is outdated and and it's
not necessarily what it used to be.
Yeah, right now there's still some some some like Lady Boy who
work like sick industry for me. I I also be, you know, sick
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industry, but online. Yes, yes, we'll get there.
We'll get into that. The only fans?
Yeah, Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, I believe I'm talking.
On only Yeah No, Only fans. Only fans.
Superstar. International superstar.
Brother, but I'm I'm not that famous on that because I now I
try to to leaning towards my YouTube.
(21:10):
So I want to do more on YouTube and do share more like another
side of me and in Thailand, because it's like sometime I
focus only on like being sexy, get attention online, but I'm
not enjoyed that much. I I feel like it's too shallow
(21:32):
for people to just they don't care about anything about you,
but they they only want to just see you naked or have with you.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Can we, can we go, can we talk about the only fans?
And like, was that a big decision for you to make to, to
(21:52):
I guess, yeah, to start taking your clothes off and those
subscribers or whatever, howeverthat works, was that a big
decision? And I guess, I guess like what
you were saying, that kind of goes against the the original
plan, which was to be feminine and, and exactly what you're
talking about, why you want to transition to, to YouTube.
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But yeah, was that a big decision?
Yeah, in that time is everythingis difficult for everyone is
COVID. So that that that thing changed
me. And I after that I I see another
perspective of how another lady boy live.
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And for me, I want to be online because I don't want to interact
with some guys that I don't know.
Because inside I still feel like, oh, maybe I still want to
be like a normal girl or something who have like an
normal relationship with, with real people.
(22:56):
Yeah, with real guy. And I I want to save that for
for the one. That's amazing.
Can I ask? I think.
What, what would you say? You know, which would be super
interesting? Who, who, who's your average
subscriber? What, what what does your what
would you say? Your normal Only Fan subscriber
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would look like was there? Was there a sort of stereotype
of type of person? And that's question number one.
And question #2 can you share with us probably the craziest
request that you've had on Only Fans?
It's it will be like I think they they like a bit older guy
for for my only fans. Yeah, because for me I'm I'm not
(23:43):
like too sexy or I, I don't knowhow to explain, but I attract a
lot of like older guys who like like this kind of style.
Yeah and the requests I I don't not do so much requests or video
call because yeah, I think it's it's like too personal.
(24:05):
Yeah, it. Sounds like you're sort of
conscious about there's not going too far in there's a line.
Is that what you're saying? Yeah, there's lines, yeah.
Which? Yeah, which you're.
Conscious about not going too far in that you're not happy.
Yeah. And.
You and because I I tried to do like a webcam before before so
so they. Old school.
(24:25):
Yeah I I've been in that side before so I know how it can
affect my mental health. So if if I go back, I I still
want to do it but but in different way, like more chit
chat more like if they give me tip or maybe do like a private
session or some things that thatwould be better for me, yeah.
(24:48):
Yeah, yeah. And by the sounds of it, it can
be quite lucrative. Oh.
Great question. Pete up.
From a business, where are business?
Where are business podcast? That's it.
So it can be quite lucrative. Did did it surprise you?
You know the ability to earn money and do you earn good
money? And did the money surprise you?
(25:11):
At first, yeah, but but after that I I have to turn it down
and when you're. Making too much and were you
were was it U.S. dollars or werewe talking Thai baht that you
would charge? Yeah, it will be in.
U.S. Dollars.
Because that's. A good rate over here.
Yeah, good on the exchange. But but when I start to not to
(25:33):
be too sexy, the money gonna go down because it's it's not.
So it's almost like a little bitof a trap if if you're not, if
you're not looking out for yourself, right.
If you're not looking out for your mental health and not
looking out for your true self, then you could.
And if you get caught in the money, yeah, from all reports
paid, it doesn't end well. You know, I don't think anything
(25:55):
good happens. But can I ask about, I guess,
building relationships and stuff, is that, have you found
that challenging? Is it something that you'd have,
you've sort of had to, you know,learn as you've gone on?
And can you tell us what kind ofguys or, or people are you, you
know, are you attracted to? Is it?
(26:16):
Yeah. Oh yeah.
For now, I, I'm still single, like still single.
And yeah, I, I think the relationship I want to be with
is with myself first because I now I really not, not have so
much friends because they did not go the way that I want to
(26:37):
go. So I have to leave, leave them
quietly and have to, to go the direction that I want to go
because I, I don't want to just do the sick work, wake up, eat
something and sleep. And I, I think about the future.
(27:00):
Yeah, I, I think about the olderme, how, how I'm going to feel
like I, I don't want to get old and be old lady boy in my
hometown. That like doing farm or
something is not enjoyable for me in the end.
Is a family in the? Is a family in the future for
you? Is that something that you see
for yourself? Yeah, I think family friends
(27:24):
have to be like more like a people who already happy for
themselves because I try to be that right now.
I think if someone tries to be better, they already love
themselves. But if someone go into something
again and again and I, I think I, I will stop doing that to
(27:47):
help them because it's kind of like get caught into someone
else's life and I cannot fix anything because their own karma
is like, you know, they, they always attract things, bad
things. And you cannot help because like
all you have one boyfriend, you break up, you're going to see
(28:10):
another boyfriend that do the bad thing the same because
they're not learned a lesson. So I think I, I want to connect
more with people who have like growth mindset to, to, to be
more to like. Yeah, Lydia, you sound super
intelligent. I'll, I'll, I'll say that.
(28:31):
Like to live the life that you've, you know, that you're
living, you know, over here and all the stereotypes and the
journey and stuff that you've been on to be thinking.
So I guess rationally, do you know what I mean?
And still thinking about yourself and your future and
what you want and saying is trueto yourself.
Yeah, that sounds awesome. And YouTube, which you already
(28:53):
are. So you can head over to Lydia's
YouTube because you're on there,you're already on there doing
your thing and you're growing. You're.
Growing. Yeah, which we're going to link
to, of course. And we'll do, we'll collaborate
with all the the stuff that we put out.
But yeah, you definitely, yeah, it's, it's super, yeah.
(29:14):
It's super impressive to hear how like how deeply you sort of
think about who you want to be and and and and how you want to
be perceived and how you look atyourself, especially with
everything, I guess, going against you a lot.
You know, I can. So can we talk about, you know,
speaking about that? I imagine like you, you know,
(29:35):
was there any kind of bullying or when you when you sort of
transitioning or if when people find out, because people can be
just shit, right. People have just, there's just
shit people everywhere. And I'd imagine like, yeah, have
you, whether it be in person or,you know, not so much online
because we know people bad comments online, but in person.
(29:55):
Have you ever sort of had to deal with people, I guess not
giving you a fair go and maybe being aggressive or or forceful
or not respecting you or whatever once they found out
that you're a lady boy? Not badly.
I think it's just like normal that I'm not interested or
(30:16):
something like that is if the guy come to talk to me and they
know later I tell him that I'm lady boy or something and no,
something like that. It's not like a big like bully
or something. Yeah, because I go want to go to
the place that's not like like tourist sounds.
(30:39):
Like you keep yourself out of. The way of yeah, trouble.
I don't know anything much aboutnightlife or something because I
try to learn and be in my own space.
And yeah, I try to go out in daytime more because all the
(31:04):
friends that I have before, theygo out at night a lot and like
party and stuff, but it's not like I I not into that and.
So you want to surround yourselfwith people that are going to
inspire you and lift you up and and help lift you to the to
(31:27):
where you say you're going to be, I guess in in the future.
That's yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
I mean, like, that's, that's the, I guess that's the crack,
isn't it? Like that's how you crack the
code PK your net worth is your net worth.
And you know, to break that downyour average of the people that
you surround yourself with, which is, you know, being sung
from the hilltops from, you know, the start of time.
(31:48):
So yeah, that's awesome. Can I ask from now, you were
talking about YouTube and stuff,what else have you got?
What else are you thinking? What's the big dream in the
future with the YouTube channel or with whatever it is that you
want to do with your social media?
Because you're all over the socials as well and, and you are
(32:10):
growing and I and I feel like the more you put yourself out
there, the more you Share your story, I feel like, and the more
you sure share your authentic story, not taking your clothes
off, I feel like, I feel like because you know, you're doing
it different and you're doing ityour own way and people are
going to buy into that. So I think, yeah, I think only
good things are in front of you.The more that you sort of be
(32:31):
yourself. But yeah, what are you thinking?
What, what's the, what's the biggoal?
What are the plans? And you want to travel?
Have you travelled before? Do you want to travel?
Like, yeah, what what is the plan?
Do you want to be an advocate for lady boys?
Do you want to step back and just be Lydia?
Yeah, I I want to be more on social media.
I want to have the courage to tobe somewhere I never been like
(32:57):
like this. I try like to try new things and
see different people who who canopen the door, new door for me
to see to like, like I see you, you and I can see the new
perspective. So it's, it's kind of like I, I
want to see like more people whowant to grow and want to be
(33:20):
better. And for my YouTube and online
stuff, I think is still there. I, I don't know what the future
might be, but I, I maybe go backto work somewhere like 9 to
five. I'm not sure.
Maybe like sell the apartment like be.
(33:41):
Like, yeah, real estate. Yeah, a bit of real estate.
Maybe I can sell so much. Yeah.
Maybe I can be reached by that. I don't know.
Maybe I sell something. Maybe I we'll make some clothes
or maybe like have my own brand.Yeah, I don't know in the
future. That's not like in the shape
(34:04):
yet, but I still working on it, yeah.
I've heard you build the community first, you build the
following first, and you build your brand 1st and then you can
sell what you want. But now my my community and
people following is just like a little bit too, Yeah, you know.
(34:25):
Yeah, well, you could. Yeah, well, you.
That's why you want to try and shift.
Yeah, that perception, yeah. Because to be fair, most of the
people that have followed you oron your only fans and stuff, you
know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to followers, Benny.
We're going to have to Yeah, So that's going to be a bit of
gentrification, Pete, of of the of the followers.
(34:47):
A clean out. A bit of a clean out,
Absolutely. But I, I say do it, Lydia,
because I think I reckon it'll go gangbusters the other way.
Instead of trying to, yeah, you know, hiding away and, and doing
something that you're not that really into or comfortable with,
feel like you just follow your heart and and and I reckon it's
going to go gangbusters. Well, I, I did the research and,
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you know, I found your story interesting.
And we share, you know, we are, we share, we're in the business
of sharing extraordinary stories.
And we like to breakdown stereotypes and show the people
at home that, you know, not everything's as it seems or what
you think, you know, and, and that, you know, there's, there's
a big world out there. And yeah, like so, so for us,
you know, you're a legend for coming on because I think, you
(35:30):
know, doing these things is, is going, is 100% going in the
direction that I suppose that you want to go.
Yeah, I thank you for inviting me too, because this is my
opportunity to see, to say something in my own thought, to
share something from me to like the Internet and the world to
(35:52):
for people to see new perspective of someone.
Yeah, no. No, I agree.
Someone not transitioning Peter?100% Lydia, you've done an
awesome job. Hey can I what advice would you
give someone out there that thatmaybe isn't being true to
(36:14):
themselves? And this could be a lots of
different forms. It doesn't need to be someone
that wants to. Sexually or like change gender
or something, you know? What I mean, someone that's not
being true to themselves becauseyou've, you know, you've gone
through an amazing journey. That's a well, that's your
superpower, Lydia. That's your superpower.
You. You, you're showing the world
(36:34):
that I, I don't care what anyoneelse thinks, I'm going to be
myself. Going to be true to myself, So
what advice would you give people that maybe aren't
currently being true to themselves?
Yeah, I think one thing that learn about yourself is try not
to seek it out from somewhere else, but inside you sit with
(36:55):
yourself and try to learn yourself by with yourself.
Because every day now it's like TikTok, Instagram, YouTube is,
is distraction from from your your own self or so.
Yeah, and you maybe want this one, this one, this some some
(37:18):
people have this. You want to have this like the
person who in on Instagram and this this girl is very
beautiful. You want to do like surgery like
her to be with beautiful like her.
But maybe that's not what you want.
Why you want someone else's life?
Because you you can have your own life because we are
(37:41):
different. Like we, we live out inside our
own heads every time. But we, we don't have to like
seeking anywhere else. Yeah, we, we have to fight first
inside. I think.
Yeah, something that you see online is this might not be what
you want because you can see people like it, million like,
(38:03):
but it's not maybe not what you want.
Maybe you in that position do not like it because maybe you
have it and then you not enjoy it.
You have like the car, the house.
I thought you wanted it and thenyou get it.
Yeah, you didn't want. It because you weren't true.
To yourself, it's weird and it'sliving a life of want instead
of, yeah, listening to yourself and being true to yourself.
(38:25):
Because like you go out partying, have have smoke drugs
or like maybe some more habit that, that we have, like, like
we think is a bad habit, like smoking or something.
There's maybe some more distraction from us to, to feel,
enjoy the present because we, wewant to live here.
(38:49):
We want to something have to allthe time.
So, so we don't have to stop. We don't have to listen to our
own self. So we're going to go somewhere,
maybe travel or I, I think everything is kind of
distraction from from ourselves to to find something more
happiness, more happy in life and outside of us.
(39:14):
Yeah, I think everything is inside.
So look inside, don't look for, you know, gratification from
things and stuff, but try and find happiness with inside
yourself. Is that?
Yeah. But but inside are so dangerous
because it's it's a we we. It's a scary place.
We, we live in the past a lot because people, every one of us
(39:37):
living in the past, but we don'tknow that we cannot catch up the
present. So this is kind of like Buddha
teaching and some like mindfulness stuff because we,
it's like now the, the second before, we cannot remember it.
We can't can only feel the present, but the present is can
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change so fast that we cannot, cannot see.
We not live in the present, but we live in the past.
Because it's like milliseconds. Yeah, it's so quick.
Yeah, yeah. And.
You can. You cannot.
Catch Buddha. Buddha.
Yeah. And fitting.
Sitting in front of the big Buddha we've got behind the big
beautiful Buddha behind us, thatis.
Yeah, That's incredible inside, isn't it?
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Yeah. I don't think great advice for
anyone out there that you got tolook inside and there's so much
outside out there. There's so much distraction and
that sort of stuff, we can easily sort of think that that's
maybe. Instant gratification, all that
kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, correct.
So now great advice idea and well done and wish you all the
best with the. There's a little shift in
direction there with your. With the with the content
(40:44):
choices. But yeah.
Maybe I'm you, I, I will be big in the future.
I will come back here again at your podcast. 100% Lydia, I
guarantee. The world.
I'll be back just to the record,Lydia.
I'm always in Phuket for a boxing fight one and oh, let's
go. So so when is that?
It was, it was, yeah, last weekend.
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Oh yeah, it was last week. So I already had the fight and I
won. Oh yeah.
So we'll be back. We'll be back because we're
going to go 2 and O So yeah, we'll stay in, We'll stay in
touch. And thank you so much for, yeah,
giving us your time and being soopen and stuff.
And yeah, all the best for the future.
Like, it sounds like you've got an awesome future in front of
you. Thank you.
(41:27):
I think you're putting it together well.
So well done Lydia, and thanks so much for sharing.
Thank you. Let's go.
Peace, guys, we're out. See you at the top.
People will be part of a winningteam.
People can find a better versionof themselves if they choose.
You just need to go start some shit action is all that.
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Matters see a man if you. Would think, I look back now and
I'm like. Well, that took some guts.
We can't. We can't.
We can't. See you at the top.
I go to like a market and I saw the panties and I asked my mom
that I want to wear that they want to be a girl.
What kind of work were you doingin Pattaya?
My mum and my auntie, they work at the massage and that's the
first job. Yeah, real massage.
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It's not like, not like, not typical massage, not naughty.
Again, that's a stereotype. Would you say it's more of a
misconception? Yeah but but I also be in the
sick industry, being sexy, get attention online but I'm not
enjoy that much. I feel like it's too shallow for
people to just they don't care anything about you but they only
(00:43):
want to just see you naked. I still want to be like normal
girl or something who have normal relationship with real
people. Can you share with us probably
the craziest request that you'vehad on Only Fans?
It's it will be like. Welcome back to Australia's
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Thailand Phuket and it would be remiss of us not to speak to a
real lady boy. Mate, absolutely.
Yeah, and you've tied it up in true Benny drone style, but
super excited, Lydia, thanks forjoining us.
Hi, awesome, amazing. Saudi Saudi Cup.
(01:30):
Saudi Cup. Saudi Cup.
Love it. Love it.
Thailand. We're in Phuket.
It's been amazing. It's beautiful.
Lady boys is something synonymous with the Thailand
culture. Yeah.
So keen to get into all that. But Lydia, can you tell us, you
know, what was it like early growing up?
(01:52):
What was your environment like? And it was in Bangkok, was it?
I'm from Saguna Khan. It's like northeast of Thailand,
so they call Isan. So it's like that part of the
country in Thailand. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
So what was that like? What was that like growing up?
(02:14):
It's like a normal boy. But when I first that I know
that I want to be a girl, I go to like a market, local market
that they sell like clothes and stuff.
And I saw the panties. It's like lace panties for the
lady. And I asked my mom that I want
(02:35):
to wear that. So then after that, it's just
like coming to mind that I want to change.
Yeah. What?
What age were Lydia? I think around like I can
remember it's like 6-7 or something.
OK, maybe school starting schoolthat.
(02:56):
Sort of stuff. What was what is it like going
to school and then wanting to change?
I'm quite like a quiet person, so it's not much different
because they have some friend that be the same in in the
class, in in the school. So we'll be friends.
(03:19):
And now. Yeah, yeah.
From that, so 6 is sort of when you say, hey, I'd like to, you
know, wear something different. Yeah, but but in Thailand is is
not easy to it's not like now. Now is better because the trans
(03:42):
like like little boy or like maybe 15 years old or something.
You can change like clothes to to wear like like a girl.
And you can have long hair now, not like before.
I have to still be a boy. Yeah.
So when, Yeah. So when you were looking to
(04:03):
transition and yeah. And I I would say start like
1718. So I start to grow long hair and
like being more myself like this, yeah.
Yeah, So what I think because that's the thing that, yeah,
when I've, I guess, you know, gone down the rabbit hole of
transgender and that sort of stuff, I just every time I sort
(04:25):
of go there, I just feel sorry for the children or the young
adults that have to I guess be aboy if they really deep down
feel like they're a girl, if that makes sense.
Or what was it like from age 6 until you got to the, you know,
6/17/18 where you could actuallybe the girl you wanted?
(04:48):
To be yeah, express yourself. Yeah, it's it's difficult at
time, but it's very normal for Thailand that you you can have
kind of like gay that like feminine boy.
Yeah. So I don't know about the word
lady boys before in my life. It's become later that I know
(05:08):
because I come to Pattaya. So I, I, I lived in Bangkok and
Pattaya before. Yeah, yes.
So how how old were you when youmoved to Pattaya?
Cause Pattaya for the people playing along at home is
probably the sex capital of Thailand is that.
Yeah, I, I moved to Bangkok like18 and then I moved to Pattaya
(05:31):
around like 20, yeah. OK.
And what kind of what kind of work were you doing in Pattaya
back then? Yeah, it's funny that my mom and
my auntie, they are the, you know, they, they work at the
massage, so they teach me how todo.
(05:51):
And that's the first job that I I really doing it.
Yeah. And so is that that was the
natural progression to follow inafter your mother and your
auntie. Yeah, into massage.
Yeah, and Creo massage. It's not like, not not like
massage, not naughty massage. Yeah, because everywhere I have
(06:17):
like a secret massage, you know,happy ending and stuff.
But time outside is also being in Thailand for a long time.
Yeah, long, maybe longer than Lady Boy, so I don't know.
Yeah. So the Thai massage gets a bit
of a, a bad rub. Sorry about the joke, but yeah,
it gets a bit of a gets a bit ofa bad.
(06:37):
Rub a bad rub. Stop it.
No, but but I think I think, yeah, that again, that's, you
know, again, that's a that's a stereotype much like you're
saying, like, like a lady boy. And I can tell you now that I've
been enjoying the massages over here of the the, the original
kind, you know, well, leading upto the fight and stuff.
(06:59):
And it is, it is a, a true, yeah, like a true cult.
It's like a deep in their cultural, if you know, if that
makes sense, just massage and I guess with the tourism and
stuff. And it's, it's, is it.
Would you say it's more of a misconception for outsiders like
Westerners that come over that the assumption is that all the
massage places or lady boys are working in these places in the
(07:24):
sex industry and stuff like that?
Yeah, but. But you can tell what's what
you're looking for. You know what?
I. Mean.
Yeah, Yeah. Absolutely.
If you see the girl wearing something like, oh, this is real
massage. You know how how they dress and
how they interact with their customer, like near the street
(07:47):
or something. You can see how you can see how
they dress or, you know, yeah, it's easy to to tell.
And if you want foot massage, they not gonna do it for you.
Yeah, yeah. You you have to go for like a
older lady or like that look more like their clothes is more
(08:12):
how to call not not revealing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, understand. There you go, Benny.
Some tips? For you, mate, can I, can I ask,
can I ask Lydia? Like, were you ever not sure?
Was there a time, you know, Yeah.
Was there, was there ever a time, I guess that you weren't
(08:32):
sure and you were sort of tryingto figure out what, you know,
because that's a big decision totransition, right?
And it's A, and it's a big thingto, to sort of go through, like
Pete said, as a young kid or as a young adult as you came into
an adult. I think around yeah, is is if
you call like 1617 or something,yeah, that maybe I think maybe I
(08:56):
I will transition to be gay because it's have to go two way.
It's not men have to be gay or lady boy.
So I have to shoot two side because it's like big decision
in life that I have to walk through.
Yeah, yeah. Gotcha, gotcha.
Is that is that common? So it's people have to go, OK,
(09:18):
might go. Gay or go my my friend that I
said we we in school together. Now he decides to be like a
teacher, so he be transformed tobe like someone that I don't
think he going to be. It's like one guy in school
teaching children and stuff and I'm here.
(09:40):
I don't even know how I got hereand be like this, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Yep.
So, so you're doing the massageswith your auntie and your mum.
How does it, how do you get intothe line of work you're in now?
How does that evolve? Yeah, and end up in Phuket,
like, you know what I mean, 'cause it's a long way from
(10:01):
Pattaya and and Bangkok. I, I work at massage like not,
not for long, maybe four years or something.
Yeah. And I have one boyfriend who
like from Europe, he stay in Pattaya.
So I stay with him like maybe few years along that time I
(10:24):
learned how to do like do hair, you know, do like hair salon,
salon. Yeah.
Yeah. And after that, that's my job.
Yeah. To to work in salon.
Hair salon, like a hairdresser, Yeah.
Yeah, no, I understand. Can I just timestamp so at what
(10:48):
point did the transition that I guess the formal transition into
a lady boy start for you and howlong does that process take?
Can you talk us through that a little bit?
Yeah, it's, it's kind of like for me, I don't want to go like,
like extreme to go very sexy. It's always in my mind that I
(11:14):
still have to be more normal forfor me, I I still want people to
think that I'm not someone that like crazy walking around.
I I still want to be people, to say that I'm still normal.
You want to be accepted as you? Yeah.
(11:34):
Yeah, yeah. It's not like, oh, I'm like, I
think weird or walking like model all the time, you know, on
the road is I think that's a bittoo much for me.
But if they they live their lifelike that, I think it's OK if if
they have their own people to like go to with them like that.
(11:59):
Yeah, but but it's kind of like it's scary for me sometime that
some some of different group that they go to and they acting
weird and they think it's normalbecause they have the group to
do it together. But but it's not when people
outside look at you. It's not, it's does.
(12:20):
That frustrate you a little bit that they act like that.
It's it's their own decision. I think.
Yeah, for, for me, I still want to be feminine.
I want to be like normal people walking around happy and don't
have people like to judge all the time is something that
(12:45):
people think lady boy is also like.
They want attention from like people around them.
So they try to be long, they tryto walk a little bit weird, you
know, act like something not dry.
Yeah, I think that's that's still there until now.
It's like, it's like you be be adrag queen in daytime.
(13:09):
So yeah. That's the stereotypical.
I but I don't don't want that well and.
And, and I think you're winning and that's that's working for
you because if I'm being completely honest, like I, I
wouldn't like if you hadn't toldme that, if I didn't know I was
interviewing a lady boy right now.
Like, you know, since the momentyou walk in the conversation we
had before. And yeah, like, yeah.
(13:32):
Does that make sense? Taking the piss out.
Of it, yeah, like. The sounds of it.
But I guess my, my question would be though, would you know,
I guess making relationships andbuilding relationships, I've
probably got a couple of questions.
Would you say your immediate or closest circle would be, is it,
are there, are the lady boys there?
Or is it more a mix of just friends and family and whatever?
(13:56):
And also when you do meet peoplefor the first time, or if it's
someone that may be showing somekind of interest to you, do you
feel like obligated to, to let them know that you are a lady
boy? Because I honestly would have no
idea. Like I genuinely wouldn't.
I don't know about you, Pete, but yeah, like, you know what I
mean. So you know, you, you, you look
(14:17):
beautiful and you talk elegantlyand, and feminine and, and all
of the things that you're saying.
You know what I mean? Say, I guess Yeah, that's yeah
you. Wouldn't have to if you didn't
need to. Yeah.
You wouldn't have to if you didn't want to.
And but where do you sit sort ofsit on that and how does that
sort of has that evolved over time as well?
I think one of my friend is likeYouTube because I can learn
(14:42):
everything from there. Like I want to learn something,
how to be productive, how to be like good people in general so I
can search on that and it's easyto just listen.
But how to adapt in my life is very important because it's like
(15:04):
1 friend of me because that's make make me me to be me today.
Also because YouTube. I learn a lot from that and I
try to learn good thing from that.
And I think I'd be this person also like like a kind of
(15:24):
manifest or something that that you think you can do something
better and you can be a person you want to be.
And yeah, before I I look also look weird look look like not
not look like. I want to be like this like
today. So it's not.
(15:45):
So you've you've evolved. Yeah, I, I try to learn more
style to, to be like the, the, the thing that's fit me the
most. Yeah, yeah.
So I, I can be who I am today like this.
And yeah, it's it's been a long way, but I love it.
It the past is the experience isthe experience who we meet
(16:10):
today, Yeah. Yeah, Lydia, so I'm coming from
a long way back, but with the lady boys, does as far as
transitioning does, you know, does some go the whole way as
far as, you know, changing, you know, genuinely changing your
gender? And what's the percentage do to
(16:34):
some lady boys just, you know, stay sort of, you know, fully a
man or to some fully transition?Or do you have Yeah, do you have
to fully transition to qualify, I guess as a lady boy or
identify as a lady boy? Some of the lady boys they they
don't like to call lady boys if they already like fully
(16:56):
transition. To fully transition.
It's like I'm a girl. I think they they don't like to
be called lady boys. And that's maybe why they're
fully. Yeah, yeah, that makes us.
Like where they're all in? Yeah, yeah, I'm all in.
I'm a I'm a girl. Kind of like they're all.
In I'm coming from a fairway back here to be fair back
that's. Not usually the case, yeah.
(17:17):
Like we're both coming from a fairway back here.
It's kind of like inside I thinkI'm.
Catching up here, right? You know, yeah, and they're all.
They go, they go through with the whole transition.
Yeah, yeah. They're like put the put the
male behind me and it's just, I'm just, yeah, it's a.
Girl the whole way. I think it's some kind of
chemical in the inside the brainalso yeah, because they after
(17:42):
that you have to take hormones like the rest of your life.
So you you cannot make like produce the what's it called
testosterone to to be alive. So you have to take you have
they have to take two estrogen and yes, what's it called?
(18:06):
Testosterone. Yep, yeah, to to be alive, but
but I think they did not live long.
Yeah, right. It's not a.
Great process. So is that, is that something
that is I guess scientifically shown that if you transition
that it does shorten your life? From my perspective and people
(18:28):
that I know, they they not live very long if they fully like
surgery down there, yeah. Yeah, which makes it would be
pretty full on I would have thought.
They kind of get mad and like they have period all the time,
like a woman have period and thefeelings, yeah, a little bit in
(18:51):
some people, yeah, but most of them are, yeah.
Yeah, I just like to state for the record, but when I did the
research, dude, I didn't research like transgender.
I just researched Lydia, so I think I've just caught up with
what's going on. No, I did the research.
All right, all right. I think that's the one I wanted
to. Do the research.
That's why I was asking, like when I thought you would
(19:14):
transition like I have. No, Yeah, like I'm playing bid
to catch up here. But This is why we doing it.
Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much, Lydia.
So, Lydia, so you've done the massage, you're doing the hair.
I feel like it's a not if it's amisconception or not, it's a
wrong assumption. Lady boys go into the sex trade.
(19:39):
Or industry. Industry now, I think it's, it's
not so much like before in my age, in in my time.
I think it's more because we don't have so much choices to
choose, like a career. Gotcha.
Yeah. And it's not being accepted by
(20:04):
society in that time, but not like now.
It's OK. Well, there's people like you,
Lydia, that are sort of changingthe narrative because what we'll
I'm sure we'll get to eventually, like you, social
media has blown up and you've sort of put your story out there
and, and, and you're showing, yeah, you're showing the world
and coming on podcasts like, yeah, she's showing the world
(20:25):
that, yeah, that is a stereotypethat is outdated and and it's
not necessarily what it used to be.
Yeah, right now there's still some some some like Lady Boy who
work like sick industry for me. I I also be, you know, sick
(20:45):
industry, but online. Yes, yes, we'll get there.
We'll get into that. The only fans?
Yeah, Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, I believe I'm talking.
On only Yeah No, Only fans. Only fans.
Superstar. International superstar.
Brother, but I'm I'm not that famous on that because I now I
try to to leaning towards my YouTube.
(21:10):
So I want to do more on YouTube and do share more like another
side of me and in Thailand, because it's like sometime I
focus only on like being sexy, get attention online, but I'm
not enjoyed that much. I I feel like it's too shallow
(21:32):
for people to just they don't care about anything about you,
but they they only want to just see you naked or have with you.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Can we, can we go, can we talk about the only fans?
And like, was that a big decision for you to make to, to
(21:52):
I guess, yeah, to start taking your clothes off and those
subscribers or whatever, howeverthat works, was that a big
decision? And I guess, I guess like what
you were saying, that kind of goes against the the original
plan, which was to be feminine and, and exactly what you're
talking about, why you want to transition to, to YouTube.
(22:13):
But yeah, was that a big decision?
Yeah, in that time is everythingis difficult for everyone is
COVID. So that that that thing changed
me. And I after that I I see another
perspective of how another lady boy live.
(22:35):
And for me, I want to be online because I don't want to interact
with some guys that I don't know.
Because inside I still feel like, oh, maybe I still want to
be like a normal girl or something who have like an
normal relationship with, with real people.
(22:56):
Yeah, with real guy. And I I want to save that for
for the one. That's amazing.
Can I ask? I think.
What, what would you say? You know, which would be super
interesting? Who, who, who's your average
subscriber? What, what what does your what
would you say? Your normal Only Fan subscriber
(23:19):
would look like was there? Was there a sort of stereotype
of type of person? And that's question number one.
And question #2 can you share with us probably the craziest
request that you've had on Only Fans?
It's it will be like I think they they like a bit older guy
for for my only fans. Yeah, because for me I'm I'm not
(23:43):
like too sexy or I, I don't knowhow to explain, but I attract a
lot of like older guys who like like this kind of style.
Yeah and the requests I I don't not do so much requests or video
call because yeah, I think it's it's like too personal.
(24:05):
Yeah, it. Sounds like you're sort of
conscious about there's not going too far in there's a line.
Is that what you're saying? Yeah, there's lines, yeah.
Which? Yeah, which you're.
Conscious about not going too far in that you're not happy.
Yeah. And.
You and because I I tried to do like a webcam before before so
so they. Old school.
(24:25):
Yeah I I've been in that side before so I know how it can
affect my mental health. So if if I go back, I I still
want to do it but but in different way, like more chit
chat more like if they give me tip or maybe do like a private
session or some things that thatwould be better for me, yeah.
(24:48):
Yeah, yeah. And by the sounds of it, it can
be quite lucrative. Oh.
Great question. Pete up.
From a business, where are business?
Where are business podcast? That's it.
So it can be quite lucrative. Did did it surprise you?
You know the ability to earn money and do you earn good
money? And did the money surprise you?
(25:11):
At first, yeah, but but after that I I have to turn it down
and when you're. Making too much and were you
were was it U.S. dollars or werewe talking Thai baht that you
would charge? Yeah, it will be in.
U.S. Dollars.
Because that's. A good rate over here.
Yeah, good on the exchange. But but when I start to not to
(25:33):
be too sexy, the money gonna go down because it's it's not.
So it's almost like a little bitof a trap if if you're not, if
you're not looking out for yourself, right.
If you're not looking out for your mental health and not
looking out for your true self, then you could.
And if you get caught in the money, yeah, from all reports
paid, it doesn't end well. You know, I don't think anything
(25:55):
good happens. But can I ask about, I guess,
building relationships and stuff, is that, have you found
that challenging? Is it something that you'd have,
you've sort of had to, you know,learn as you've gone on?
And can you tell us what kind ofguys or, or people are you, you
know, are you attracted to? Is it?
(26:16):
Yeah. Oh yeah.
For now, I, I'm still single, like still single.
And yeah, I, I think the relationship I want to be with
is with myself first because I now I really not, not have so
much friends because they did not go the way that I want to
(26:37):
go. So I have to leave, leave them
quietly and have to, to go the direction that I want to go
because I, I don't want to just do the sick work, wake up, eat
something and sleep. And I, I think about the future.
(27:00):
Yeah, I, I think about the olderme, how, how I'm going to feel
like I, I don't want to get old and be old lady boy in my
hometown. That like doing farm or
something is not enjoyable for me in the end.
Is a family in the? Is a family in the future for
you? Is that something that you see
for yourself? Yeah, I think family friends
(27:24):
have to be like more like a people who already happy for
themselves because I try to be that right now.
I think if someone tries to be better, they already love
themselves. But if someone go into something
again and again and I, I think I, I will stop doing that to
(27:47):
help them because it's kind of like get caught into someone
else's life and I cannot fix anything because their own karma
is like, you know, they, they always attract things, bad
things. And you cannot help because like
all you have one boyfriend, you break up, you're going to see
(28:10):
another boyfriend that do the bad thing the same because
they're not learned a lesson. So I think I, I want to connect
more with people who have like growth mindset to, to, to be
more to like. Yeah, Lydia, you sound super
intelligent. I'll, I'll, I'll say that.
(28:31):
Like to live the life that you've, you know, that you're
living, you know, over here and all the stereotypes and the
journey and stuff that you've been on to be thinking.
So I guess rationally, do you know what I mean?
And still thinking about yourself and your future and
what you want and saying is trueto yourself.
Yeah, that sounds awesome. And YouTube, which you already
(28:53):
are. So you can head over to Lydia's
YouTube because you're on there,you're already on there doing
your thing and you're growing. You're.
Growing. Yeah, which we're going to link
to, of course. And we'll do, we'll collaborate
with all the the stuff that we put out.
But yeah, you definitely, yeah, it's, it's super, yeah.
(29:14):
It's super impressive to hear how like how deeply you sort of
think about who you want to be and and and and how you want to
be perceived and how you look atyourself, especially with
everything, I guess, going against you a lot.
You know, I can. So can we talk about, you know,
speaking about that? I imagine like you, you know,
(29:35):
was there any kind of bullying or when you when you sort of
transitioning or if when people find out, because people can be
just shit, right. People have just, there's just
shit people everywhere. And I'd imagine like, yeah, have
you, whether it be in person or,you know, not so much online
because we know people bad comments online, but in person.
(29:55):
Have you ever sort of had to deal with people, I guess not
giving you a fair go and maybe being aggressive or or forceful
or not respecting you or whatever once they found out
that you're a lady boy? Not badly.
I think it's just like normal that I'm not interested or
(30:16):
something like that is if the guy come to talk to me and they
know later I tell him that I'm lady boy or something and no,
something like that. It's not like a big like bully
or something. Yeah, because I go want to go to
the place that's not like like tourist sounds.
(30:39):
Like you keep yourself out of. The way of yeah, trouble.
I don't know anything much aboutnightlife or something because I
try to learn and be in my own space.
And yeah, I try to go out in daytime more because all the
(31:04):
friends that I have before, theygo out at night a lot and like
party and stuff, but it's not like I I not into that and.
So you want to surround yourselfwith people that are going to
inspire you and lift you up and and help lift you to the to
(31:27):
where you say you're going to be, I guess in in the future.
That's yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
I mean, like, that's, that's the, I guess that's the crack,
isn't it? Like that's how you crack the
code PK your net worth is your net worth.
And you know, to break that downyour average of the people that
you surround yourself with, which is, you know, being sung
from the hilltops from, you know, the start of time.
(31:48):
So yeah, that's awesome. Can I ask from now, you were
talking about YouTube and stuff,what else have you got?
What else are you thinking? What's the big dream in the
future with the YouTube channel or with whatever it is that you
want to do with your social media?
Because you're all over the socials as well and, and you are
(32:10):
growing and I and I feel like the more you put yourself out
there, the more you Share your story, I feel like, and the more
you sure share your authentic story, not taking your clothes
off, I feel like, I feel like because you know, you're doing
it different and you're doing ityour own way and people are
going to buy into that. So I think, yeah, I think only
good things are in front of you.The more that you sort of be
(32:31):
yourself. But yeah, what are you thinking?
What, what's the, what's the biggoal?
What are the plans? And you want to travel?
Have you travelled before? Do you want to travel?
Like, yeah, what what is the plan?
Do you want to be an advocate for lady boys?
Do you want to step back and just be Lydia?
Yeah, I I want to be more on social media.
I want to have the courage to tobe somewhere I never been like
(32:57):
like this. I try like to try new things and
see different people who who canopen the door, new door for me
to see to like, like I see you, you and I can see the new
perspective. So it's, it's kind of like I, I
want to see like more people whowant to grow and want to be
(33:20):
better. And for my YouTube and online
stuff, I think is still there. I, I don't know what the future
might be, but I, I maybe go backto work somewhere like 9 to
five. I'm not sure.
Maybe like sell the apartment like be.
(33:41):
Like, yeah, real estate. Yeah, a bit of real estate.
Maybe I can sell so much. Yeah.
Maybe I can be reached by that. I don't know.
Maybe I sell something. Maybe I we'll make some clothes
or maybe like have my own brand.Yeah, I don't know in the
future. That's not like in the shape
(34:04):
yet, but I still working on it, yeah.
I've heard you build the community first, you build the
following first, and you build your brand 1st and then you can
sell what you want. But now my my community and
people following is just like a little bit too, Yeah, you know.
(34:25):
Yeah, well, you could. Yeah, well, you.
That's why you want to try and shift.
Yeah, that perception, yeah. Because to be fair, most of the
people that have followed you oron your only fans and stuff, you
know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to followers, Benny.
We're going to have to Yeah, So that's going to be a bit of
gentrification, Pete, of of the of the followers.
(34:47):
A clean out. A bit of a clean out,
Absolutely. But I, I say do it, Lydia,
because I think I reckon it'll go gangbusters the other way.
Instead of trying to, yeah, you know, hiding away and, and doing
something that you're not that really into or comfortable with,
feel like you just follow your heart and and and I reckon it's
going to go gangbusters. Well, I, I did the research and,
(35:08):
you know, I found your story interesting.
And we share, you know, we are, we share, we're in the business
of sharing extraordinary stories.
And we like to breakdown stereotypes and show the people
at home that, you know, not everything's as it seems or what
you think, you know, and, and that, you know, there's, there's
a big world out there. And yeah, like so, so for us,
you know, you're a legend for coming on because I think, you
(35:30):
know, doing these things is, is going, is 100% going in the
direction that I suppose that you want to go.
Yeah, I thank you for inviting me too, because this is my
opportunity to see, to say something in my own thought, to
share something from me to like the Internet and the world to
(35:52):
for people to see new perspective of someone.
Yeah, no. No, I agree.
Someone not transitioning Peter?100% Lydia, you've done an
awesome job. Hey can I what advice would you
give someone out there that thatmaybe isn't being true to
(36:14):
themselves? And this could be a lots of
different forms. It doesn't need to be someone
that wants to. Sexually or like change gender
or something, you know? What I mean, someone that's not
being true to themselves becauseyou've, you know, you've gone
through an amazing journey. That's a well, that's your
superpower, Lydia. That's your superpower.
You. You, you're showing the world
(36:34):
that I, I don't care what anyoneelse thinks, I'm going to be
myself. Going to be true to myself, So
what advice would you give people that maybe aren't
currently being true to themselves?
Yeah, I think one thing that learn about yourself is try not
to seek it out from somewhere else, but inside you sit with
(36:55):
yourself and try to learn yourself by with yourself.
Because every day now it's like TikTok, Instagram, YouTube is,
is distraction from from your your own self or so.
Yeah, and you maybe want this one, this one, this some some
(37:18):
people have this. You want to have this like the
person who in on Instagram and this this girl is very
beautiful. You want to do like surgery like
her to be with beautiful like her.
But maybe that's not what you want.
Why you want someone else's life?
Because you you can have your own life because we are
(37:41):
different. Like we, we live out inside our
own heads every time. But we, we don't have to like
seeking anywhere else. Yeah, we, we have to fight first
inside. I think.
Yeah, something that you see online is this might not be what
you want because you can see people like it, million like,
(38:03):
but it's not maybe not what you want.
Maybe you in that position do not like it because maybe you
have it and then you not enjoy it.
You have like the car, the house.
I thought you wanted it and thenyou get it.
Yeah, you didn't want. It because you weren't true.
To yourself, it's weird and it'sliving a life of want instead
of, yeah, listening to yourself and being true to yourself.
(38:25):
Because like you go out partying, have have smoke drugs
or like maybe some more habit that, that we have, like, like
we think is a bad habit, like smoking or something.
There's maybe some more distraction from us to, to feel,
enjoy the present because we, wewant to live here.
(38:49):
We want to something have to allthe time.
So, so we don't have to stop. We don't have to listen to our
own self. So we're going to go somewhere,
maybe travel or I, I think everything is kind of
distraction from from ourselves to to find something more
happiness, more happy in life and outside of us.
(39:14):
Yeah, I think everything is inside.
So look inside, don't look for, you know, gratification from
things and stuff, but try and find happiness with inside
yourself. Is that?
Yeah. But but inside are so dangerous
because it's it's a we we. It's a scary place.
We, we live in the past a lot because people, every one of us
(39:37):
living in the past, but we don'tknow that we cannot catch up the
present. So this is kind of like Buddha
teaching and some like mindfulness stuff because we,
it's like now the, the second before, we cannot remember it.
We can't can only feel the present, but the present is can
(39:59):
change so fast that we cannot, cannot see.
We not live in the present, but we live in the past.
Because it's like milliseconds. Yeah, it's so quick.
Yeah, yeah. And.
You can. You cannot.
Catch Buddha. Buddha.
Yeah. And fitting.
Sitting in front of the big Buddha we've got behind the big
beautiful Buddha behind us, thatis.
Yeah, That's incredible inside, isn't it?
(40:21):
Yeah. I don't think great advice for
anyone out there that you got tolook inside and there's so much
outside out there. There's so much distraction and
that sort of stuff, we can easily sort of think that that's
maybe. Instant gratification, all that
kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, correct.
So now great advice idea and well done and wish you all the
best with the. There's a little shift in
direction there with your. With the with the content
(40:44):
choices. But yeah.
Maybe I'm you, I, I will be big in the future.
I will come back here again at your podcast. 100% Lydia, I
guarantee. The world.
I'll be back just to the record,Lydia.
I'm always in Phuket for a boxing fight one and oh, let's
go. So so when is that?
It was, it was, yeah, last weekend.
(41:06):
Oh yeah, it was last week. So I already had the fight and I
won. Oh yeah.
So we'll be back. We'll be back because we're
going to go 2 and O So yeah, we'll stay in, We'll stay in
touch. And thank you so much for, yeah,
giving us your time and being soopen and stuff.
And yeah, all the best for the future.
Like, it sounds like you've got an awesome future in front of
you. Thank you.
(41:27):
I think you're putting it together well.
So well done Lydia, and thanks so much for sharing.
Thank you. Let's go.
Peace, guys, we're out. See you at the top.
People will be part of a winningteam.
People can find a better versionof themselves if they choose.
You just need to go start some shit action is all that.
(41:47):
Matters see a man if you. Would think, I look back now and
I'm like. Well, that took some guts.
We can't. We can't.
We can't. See you at the top.
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